Speaker 1: Wind Down and Podcast. All right, welcome to another podcast
Speaker 1: of Winddown with Michael Coston and Janna Kramer. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Janna Kramer and Michael Cosson. We're never going to get
Speaker 1: a good entrance to the show. No, probably not, but
Speaker 1: that's okay. How's Quarantine life for you? Bed, Same old,
Speaker 1: same old, And that's our show. So we'll see you
Speaker 1: next week. No, we've been full of just this past
Speaker 1: week we've been crazy productive. We really have painting rooms
Speaker 1: doing stuff, doing stuff. We painted them the office, we
Speaker 1: painted the barroom. Speaking of the office, we have Kate
Speaker 1: Flannery on today, who is buried in the hit sitcom
Speaker 1: The Office, which is probably my top two, probably my
Speaker 1: number one actually of all times to your second one
Speaker 1: side felt that's up there. Yeah, what's number two? But
Speaker 1: that's sitcoms. But then you have shows like you know,
Speaker 1: what's number two, probably Signild, what What's on? What's Teetering on? Three?
Speaker 1: Then Caribbean Enthusiasm, which is all this is all like
Speaker 1: the same kind of stuff, yeah, which and then you
Speaker 1: have you know, shows like The Wire yet Dexter, you
Speaker 1: got Game of Thrones, you got all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But anyways, um, I'm I'm really excited to talk to
Speaker 1: her because I know her from Dancing with Stars. Hey,
Speaker 1: were you guys in the same season? No, she was
Speaker 1: just on this last season. Yeah. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: I've never watched an episode of the Office, so I
Speaker 1: feel like this podcast should just be like it's the
Speaker 1: Mic and Cake Show featuring Jana I. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I love um Steve carl I feel like
Speaker 1: I need to see I think the problem was I
Speaker 1: would You'd be watching it and I would just come
Speaker 1: in and see a few seconds of it, and you'd
Speaker 1: be like laughing, and I would look at and go,
Speaker 1: that's funny. I don't understand. You gotta understand. You gotta
Speaker 1: understand the characters, the stories. But I but I like
Speaker 1: love Seinfeld. I feel like you can watch Seinfeld and
Speaker 1: laugh at anything. Well, the Office is the same way
Speaker 1: if you have seen it before. So like Comedy Central
Speaker 1: always has the Office in rotation like constantly, so I
Speaker 1: could turn on that at any moment. It could be
Speaker 1: any episode. I don't know exactly what's going on, and
Speaker 1: I'll laugh like I would like I did the first time.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. See. Maybe because I really love Kate, and
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to her, especially because I heard
Speaker 1: that she while she was filming The Office, she was
Speaker 1: a waitress. Still, like, I love that. I just think
Speaker 1: that's so cool. I wonder if was it a dream
Speaker 1: or was I wanting to do a waitress job last year?
Speaker 1: Did I dream that? Definitely didn't tell me that. See,
Speaker 1: I miss waitressing, like I would still do it right now.
Speaker 1: I would for fun. I mean, if I have kids,
Speaker 1: I probably would. I enjoy it. I love waitressing until
Speaker 1: you didn't and then you quit. No, I love it.
Speaker 1: I would do it, I seriously, I think if I could.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I love being able to
Speaker 1: help people and making their experience great for sure. But
Speaker 1: maybe it's so crazy. But maybe I had a dream
Speaker 1: about that. But I had a dream that I was
Speaker 1: applying somewhere for waitressing shop. I swear, what kind of
Speaker 1: restaurant would you waitress? It's a good question because I've
Speaker 1: done all of them. I've done Joe's Crap Chat, I've
Speaker 1: done Fridays, I've done Applebee's, I've done Greek Island. I've
Speaker 1: done you know, I've literally done every but the only
Speaker 1: ones I haven't done were the real highst like the
Speaker 1: upper like the one we went to a love in Park,
Speaker 1: Matt whatever, Madison Park. I don't think I would want
Speaker 1: to do that kind of restaurant. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know, you couldn't. I couldn't. It's too stuffy. Well
Speaker 1: and would you like you Kevin, Like I couldn't even
Speaker 1: take it serious? You shoot from the hip too much.
Speaker 1: Where if you went to a restaurant like that, next thing,
Speaker 1: you know you back, don't get that because that's just
Speaker 1: can disgusting, like that's how you'd beat I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just really honest, Like when people came to the wood
Speaker 1: Ranch girl and uh what in l A when I
Speaker 1: used to waitress there, and yes it's a one by
Speaker 1: the grove. And funny story, I was stealing toilet paper
Speaker 1: before COVID nineteen. Me and Diana were so poor in
Speaker 1: our electricity went off and we were stealing paper toilet
Speaker 1: paper from wood Ranch because we didn't I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: enough money to buy like toilet paper. Um. But then
Speaker 1: I booked night and then I quit, Gee what you
Speaker 1: gotta do? Um? But yeah, no, anyways, but no, I
Speaker 1: would have to be It would have to be a
Speaker 1: chill place like that, and I wouldn't want to go
Speaker 1: back to. I didn't like being a bar girl. I
Speaker 1: hated that because I'm not the bar chick there, like
Speaker 1: here's a shot and I'm like, yeah, babe, and then
Speaker 1: I like throw it away. Anyways, Well, I do feel
Speaker 1: I have a lot of empathy for those people in
Speaker 1: that profession right now because of everything going on, and
Speaker 1: that must that must really suck. And I hope, you know,
Speaker 1: they're able to find some work somewhere and and everything.
Speaker 1: And I hope people that have lost their jobs are
Speaker 1: able to do something to take care of themselves. And
Speaker 1: you know, I seldom do I read comments, or do
Speaker 1: we read comments about this podcast or anything really that
Speaker 1: we post, but I saw one recently when we were
Speaker 1: talking about the quarantine sen and someone was kind of
Speaker 1: going off on us about, uh, we're being insensitive or
Speaker 1: something about giving people crap being out and about wait,
Speaker 1: we were insensitive about what we were. You know, we
Speaker 1: were just second being insensitive about people, you know, being
Speaker 1: out in public, and we're like, stay at home, don't
Speaker 1: go out. But just like anything, you have to take
Speaker 1: it with. It's all in context. You have to take
Speaker 1: it with a grain of salt. We're not saying everyone
Speaker 1: should stay in their house and not leave at all.
Speaker 1: We understand people have to make a living, you know,
Speaker 1: we are if you're an essential worker and you have
Speaker 1: to or you have to make a living, you have
Speaker 1: to make the money. You know. We're not saying people
Speaker 1: that everyone should stay home, and I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to defend what we're saying. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: make it clear just so people put it in perspective that, yes,
Speaker 1: we we appreciate the fact that we've been blessing. We're
Speaker 1: in a fortunate situation where we can work from um
Speaker 1: um and we're doing okay right now. But we totally
Speaker 1: understand the grind of if you have to work, you
Speaker 1: have to work. If you have to make money, you
Speaker 1: have to make money. You gotta do what you gotta
Speaker 1: do to provide for yourself and your family and stay safe.
Speaker 1: So if you've got to leave the house, do it.
Speaker 1: But it's all about what we're talking about. Are there's
Speaker 1: people that we hear about or see that are out
Speaker 1: and goofing around or maybe they don't have to be out,
Speaker 1: or you know, abusing the system right now because they
Speaker 1: are naive about the situation. That's all we're saying. I
Speaker 1: just think again, just everything's got to be taken into
Speaker 1: the right perspective. And now I'm reading comments downloaded a
Speaker 1: month ago and cannot get through even one episode due
Speaker 1: to how vapid and shallow jan it was. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Do you think that it's like mean tweets? You know,
Speaker 1: so toxic? Oh well, it's all, It's all good. Everyone
Speaker 1: can have their opinions. I just I just don't want
Speaker 1: people are actual fans listening to this if they are
Speaker 1: in that situation. I didn't want them to be felt
Speaker 1: like I selated from from what we're saying. I didn't
Speaker 1: want them to take it the incorrect way. I don't
Speaker 1: care the person that wrote the comment, who gives it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so people that care about the show and
Speaker 1: that we care about So I'm sorry, I have to
Speaker 1: say almost zanex quen Mike said, Janna thrives in chaos. Seriously,
Speaker 1: Janna can't even function on a daily basis unless she's medicated.
Speaker 1: What or she freaks out, wines, cries, and flat out
Speaker 1: has panic attacks if she thinks the wind is blowing
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. She thrives on zanex more like it. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't take zanex. So wow, that's kind of funny
Speaker 1: because it's just so ridiculous. People are crazy, I know whatever,
Speaker 1: um it is what it is. I feel like the
Speaker 1: ones people I do listen they are getting something out
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, it's either the train wreck you love
Speaker 1: to listen to or oh that's why you look at
Speaker 1: reviews almost for anything, and it's either five stars or
Speaker 1: one star. Like there's very seldom are people because this
Speaker 1: is like anything right subjective. People can have their opinion.
Speaker 1: It's I'm sure there's some episodes where people who are
Speaker 1: even a fan of the show are kind of like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't my favorite one, but hopefully the next week
Speaker 1: or the week before was great for them. But most
Speaker 1: of the time, this is just like a movie. It's
Speaker 1: just like a you know, music genre. It's just like
Speaker 1: anything you like, what you like, and if it's in
Speaker 1: the middle of that, people aren't gonna or if you
Speaker 1: just listen to one episode like someone goes, you know,
Speaker 1: Janna left at Mike for not hustling. It's like we're
Speaker 1: we crack on each other, you know. But anyways, um,
Speaker 1: I feel like at the end of the day. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we're helping people too with some of our situations. We
Speaker 1: we air our dirty laundry to help other people. M hm.
Speaker 1: You know, although the other day though, in therapy, it's
Speaker 1: not great to have therapy sessions in quarantine. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: hard when you're on zoom and there's a way out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're having therapy last week and I thought it was
Speaker 1: a great therapy session. There was ten minutes and you know,
Speaker 1: it was like a therapist was like, so, what are
Speaker 1: ways that y'all can connect together? And how that got
Speaker 1: us into an argument? Shocking um, But you know, within
Speaker 1: those two minutes and Mike gets up, gets up and
Speaker 1: storms out, and and the therapist is like, this is
Speaker 1: why I hate doing these kind of sessions because now
Speaker 1: you're just stuck in the house and what do you say,
Speaker 1: Is he coming back? You're like nope, Yeah, He's like,
Speaker 1: is he gonna come back? I was like, now he's done,
Speaker 1: He's done, And he goes, well, how is this gonna
Speaker 1: How is this going to resolve? I was like, well,
Speaker 1: one or two things. He's either gonna be in a
Speaker 1: hole the rest of the day and you know, puff
Speaker 1: his chest out and whatever or hell, apologize for being
Speaker 1: defensive and then we'll talk it out. And it was
Speaker 1: the ladder. I know, it was kind of cool, super cool,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I was like, but no, he's done and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go now and gray, but I went for it.
Speaker 1: Came back from a walk and I even said to
Speaker 1: my girlfriends, I was like, up here it is. It's
Speaker 1: either going to be good and rest of the day.
Speaker 1: We're a bad rest of the day. Did they text
Speaker 1: you and ask you later? Um? Now, I mean you
Speaker 1: were like out with the kids and playing so killing
Speaker 1: the game, riding the scooter. But yeah, all right, well
Speaker 1: let's take a break and we'll come back and warm
Speaker 1: things up for to have Kate Flannery on. So what
Speaker 1: was your favorite episode of Office before we get her on?
Speaker 1: Because I just want to get some Office knowledge. You
Speaker 1: can't there's not one anyone will say. When season nine,
Speaker 1: when Dwight and Angela are going to get married, it's
Speaker 1: like the one of the last episodes of the whole series,
Speaker 1: is she married in it? No? No, she's a train wreck, alcoholic.
Speaker 1: It's like two kids. I think, drives a minivan. She's
Speaker 1: an animal. She's awesome. So Anyways, this episode at the
Speaker 1: end is when Michael Scott comes back and at the
Speaker 1: perfect timing he pulls out of That's what she said,
Speaker 1: with like tears in his eyes. And it's just like
Speaker 1: that when you were crying on the plane that Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually no, I think that was when he married Holly.
Speaker 1: I look over, I was like, are you crying? That
Speaker 1: the best watching the office telling you man, you get invested.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because I was thinking this
Speaker 1: before the break because someone asked Kate this as well.
Speaker 1: But when someone's on a show, such a popular show
Speaker 1: that has this following, that's just timeless. As you were
Speaker 1: two on One Tree Hill and how big that still is.
Speaker 1: Do you ever get tired talking about it? Really? Because
Speaker 1: it's the show that made you the golf forever. Be
Speaker 1: so grateful for One Tree Hill. And I love meeting
Speaker 1: New Tree Hill or fans. I love it. I'll talk
Speaker 1: to them blue in the face about One Tree Hill.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's good to know because I feel bad,
Speaker 1: you know now being in this kind of position we
Speaker 1: interview people and have those discussions. It's you and I
Speaker 1: have both know what it's like to be on the
Speaker 1: receiving end and get the same questions about certain things
Speaker 1: and just have to talk about it until you're blue
Speaker 1: in the face. But it's good. It's refreshing to know
Speaker 1: that when it comes to something like that career wise,
Speaker 1: that you have that appreciation and respect for that. Now
Speaker 1: here's the the other side of it. If I was
Speaker 1: on a show that I was actually the entire like
Speaker 1: I was only blessed, I mean not blessed, like I
Speaker 1: only did three seasons. So if I did nine seasons
Speaker 1: of it, or if I did, I mean, let's say
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, for example, are our buddy Bob Sagett,
Speaker 1: you know Danny Tanner, I mean Heenan said he's not
Speaker 1: sick of talking about tree, I mean a full house.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you're type cast and
Speaker 1: they were all that is what it would that's where
Speaker 1: it would get hard because it's like they only see
Speaker 1: him or you know, for quite a long time as
Speaker 1: Danny Tanner, Like that's why, um, what's his face? Uncle
Speaker 1: Jesse wanted to do anything but Uncle Jesse, and he
Speaker 1: started to do like these really dark dramas and murder
Speaker 1: because he just wanted to be so out of it.
Speaker 1: But no one believed that, you know, So I think
Speaker 1: that is the only that's but I feel like people
Speaker 1: like Steve Carrell don't have that issue because they're already
Speaker 1: so yeah, but I think even someone like Steve Carrell,
Speaker 1: who yes, we see now how first he is in
Speaker 1: his ability to act, but at the beginning, it was
Speaker 1: all comedic stuff. It was isn't like Michael Shannon too,
Speaker 1: which were we just watching with Waco Who's wasn't he
Speaker 1: comedy to not really know? Um? But you know, he
Speaker 1: was four year old virgin and those kind of an
Speaker 1: anchorman and all that kind of stuff. He was like
Speaker 1: the sidekick, funny random guy, um the Office. I mean,
Speaker 1: he took that over, but still it's mostly comedy. And
Speaker 1: you know, but now you see him on things with
Speaker 1: uh the Morning show him. No, I'm saying he before
Speaker 1: he was just kind of this side part like co star,
Speaker 1: but he was the star of the office and like
Speaker 1: owned it, like took it over as and like delivered
Speaker 1: every day. Um. But yeah, no, that's refreshing to know.
Speaker 1: And I but even when we talked to Bob before,
Speaker 1: you know, he even said he went through a transition
Speaker 1: where he was sick of it, sick of being known
Speaker 1: as as Danny Tanner and like always being like you said,
Speaker 1: type casted in that and then he kind of later
Speaker 1: on realized and appreciated it all over again, especially because
Speaker 1: of all these streaming services and gainey new fans like
Speaker 1: you said you are you're talking to new Tree Hillers,
Speaker 1: and the fact that there's teenagers that are becoming true
Speaker 1: Tree Hill fans right now because of streaming services is amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, interesting, But yeah, I wonder, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm excited and I'm excited. Talked her too. She she's
Speaker 1: one of seven children, which means she's a hustler um,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm excited to get her on to take
Speaker 1: one my break before we have her colin, let's do it, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right to rive Katey, Hey good, how are you?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I just want to can I start?
Speaker 1: I loved watching you and dancing with the stars. Thank you?
Speaker 1: So you're so sweet. Oh my gosh. I literally just
Speaker 1: got a text from Pasha, my partner. He's not he's
Speaker 1: in um Staten Island with this with his wife and family.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean you did. I I was
Speaker 1: just because Michael is like the biggest office fan that
Speaker 1: has ever lived. Um and and I you know, I
Speaker 1: I love you from Dancing with the Stars, and I
Speaker 1: was just like you were not only um, you you
Speaker 1: were just how do I say it, Like you were
Speaker 1: beautiful but yet you were relatable and you but yet
Speaker 1: you were funny like you were you had all of
Speaker 1: it together and just like an amazing package. Like I
Speaker 1: one thousand percent, I think you should have won. Like
Speaker 1: you were amazing and you were relatable, and I just
Speaker 1: I loved watching you like you made me happy every
Speaker 1: time you danced. So that's so I really appreciate that
Speaker 1: I was. It was a really unexpected process for me.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect to enjoy it as much. I didn't
Speaker 1: like the judging. But other than that, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't like that part either. Geta balls, you know, sorry,
Speaker 1: I get a little meretith when I talk about the judges.
Speaker 1: But like, you know, you know, I know me and
Speaker 1: me and Julianne went at it like one time, but
Speaker 1: you know it happens because it's just like you put
Speaker 1: so much work into it. It's like you know, you're
Speaker 1: not a dancer, but you sure as heck fuled me
Speaker 1: and I thought I loved it. So I had a
Speaker 1: great teacher. Seriously, Pasha is a great teacher, and I
Speaker 1: thought he was a great addition to the show. And
Speaker 1: I actually did. I did a bunch of the tour.
Speaker 1: I just got off the road with the Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars tour, which is crazy. I did um forty
Speaker 1: three shows. I supposed to do fifty four but we
Speaker 1: got pulled off early. But it was intense, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, I literally, I mean it's a lot. We
Speaker 1: were you know, we played Radio City and gosh, that's
Speaker 1: so cool. You're on Rocket rollbus. I mean I got
Speaker 1: the bedroom, so I felt a little twanky, but it
Speaker 1: was so tough. You got the star room in the back,
Speaker 1: and like if you call it that, yes, all the
Speaker 1: beer cans came rolling back to my I love all right,
Speaker 1: Michael go you know, first of all, I mean, I
Speaker 1: have a million questions, but I'll start slow. I was
Speaker 1: asking Janna this because Jenna was on a on a
Speaker 1: TV show that ran for a long time, One Tree Hill,
Speaker 1: and has this cult following and stuff, and obviously the
Speaker 1: office does. And always wonder if people who have had
Speaker 1: the level of success on the singular show like you have.
Speaker 1: Do you ever get tired talking about it? I don't
Speaker 1: you know why I had such It was such a
Speaker 1: great experience, and I feel like the love that people
Speaker 1: have for it is so intense and like they're so
Speaker 1: invested that I don't. I mean, I always wondered, like,
Speaker 1: what's I mean? And maybe it's just luck. But the
Speaker 1: writing was so amazing that even if I didn't speak
Speaker 1: for days when we were shooting, I didn't care. It
Speaker 1: was hysterical, like it was so smart, and I just
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, I'm just so proud of it.
Speaker 1: I love that people are like consuming it, like they're
Speaker 1: breathing it is sleeping and breathing it like they can't
Speaker 1: turn it off. But it's crazy. I heard a rumor
Speaker 1: you were still waitressing during the show first season. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kept my restaurant job because I wasn't sure if
Speaker 1: it was going to get picked up. We had all season,
Speaker 1: just six episodes for the first season, so I literally
Speaker 1: covered my shift store in the weekend. I worked my
Speaker 1: said they runched, Oh my gosh, and it started air
Speaker 1: and and one customer said to me, excuse me, did
Speaker 1: you just get a HYS direct to me? And I
Speaker 1: was like, what, what the hell? No, actually, no, no,
Speaker 1: actually I messed it up. They said, aren't you lactose
Speaker 1: intolerant and I said, uh, well, thanks, yes, and thanks
Speaker 1: for not bringing up my hys directed me that the
Speaker 1: Alliance it's so weird. I mean, you know, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, but yeah, it was. It was so
Speaker 1: so strong, and then like you know, and then it
Speaker 1: clearly became clear that the show was going to move
Speaker 1: forward and ever since, like Steve, you know, Steve came
Speaker 1: out with forty year old Virgin. The signs were up
Speaker 1: before we started season two and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this could be really big, so you know, and then
Speaker 1: when when that came out, it was like everyone just
Speaker 1: you know, wanted more because Steve is such a He's amazing.
Speaker 1: He's really I mean, I feel like we wrote on
Speaker 1: his coattails in such a great way for such a
Speaker 1: long time. Yes and no, at the same as a fan,
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I mean Steve was amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: he carried such a heavy load on that show and
Speaker 1: just delivered every time. But I think to your point,
Speaker 1: the writing was so great where I felt like they
Speaker 1: equally included everyone in that cast from you to Kevin too.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody like had their storylines. You knew so
Speaker 1: much about every character where they wrote it in. It
Speaker 1: was just like, and you know, Jane was making fun
Speaker 1: of me. Were later in the seasons, I'm like, we're traveling,
Speaker 1: I'm like crying to the office. She's like, what in
Speaker 1: this a comedy? While you cry? I was like, you
Speaker 1: don't know the whole backstory and it's just everywhere else.
Speaker 1: So there's so much hard I thought. The Jim Pan
Speaker 1: thing was always like, especially in the beginning, was so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: It would make me upset. As we were in the
Speaker 1: writer's room, like just reading, like you know, reading each episode,
Speaker 1: doing the table read. I'll be like, no, I'd be
Speaker 1: so bummed when they'd almost get together. They're like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just so painful. Do you have I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have a million any specific memory from
Speaker 1: that show that you're like, this was just that special
Speaker 1: day or that special episode for you personally. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I feel like Michael's last Dundees were amazing
Speaker 1: for a number of reasons because that was the Walk
Speaker 1: of Shame when Diego and Michael Scott come to Meredith's house.
Speaker 1: She's coming in for the night before. That was the
Speaker 1: first and the only time we got to see nervous House.
Speaker 1: So I just love the whole exchange. I thought it
Speaker 1: was just I just like the whole less is more thing.
Speaker 1: And I love that they never gave up on that,
Speaker 1: because sometimes when seasons continue with shows, characters sort of
Speaker 1: morph and they kind of start talking too much and
Speaker 1: they get some of the exposition and they sort of
Speaker 1: lose what was funny about them. I love that the
Speaker 1: writers never ruined Meredith. They didn't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know, even if I had like a lot
Speaker 1: to do in one episode, like Lis or something, I
Speaker 1: still felt like, Okay, that's okay, that's enough, Okay, we
Speaker 1: can we can go back. You know, I never because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of actors, like they like to
Speaker 1: count lines and they get a little insecure. And I
Speaker 1: was nervous at first, but only because I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to get fired when when like if my
Speaker 1: storyline got cut. But then I realized, like I realized
Speaker 1: there was this great chess game going on, and just
Speaker 1: let them, you know, let the writers, let the producers
Speaker 1: play this game like they're doing a great job. Don't
Speaker 1: mess it up by being an actor with a complaint,
Speaker 1: for sure. But when I appreciate your performance is because
Speaker 1: the yeah, the writers can write all this good stuff.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're The physical comedy you brought to
Speaker 1: your character was very underrated. And you know in scenes
Speaker 1: like when you're being dragged into rehab from Dwight, putting
Speaker 1: the back of your head with the bat like everything,
Speaker 1: it's just like your mannerisms. That was why the writing
Speaker 1: was funny, is because you made it funny through your
Speaker 1: delivery and the physical nature of your Because sometimes my
Speaker 1: lines will get cut because basically they would say, like, well,
Speaker 1: your face sort of said what your line was, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I get that. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: need the words. If you sort of see my expression,
Speaker 1: you kind of get it right. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: Um There's the other scenes that I really really loved
Speaker 1: were um uh when when um uh Michael Scott proposed
Speaker 1: to Holly and then the sprinklers went off because he
Speaker 1: lived too many It was so great to be a
Speaker 1: part of, Like I just felt like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that whole like the departure of Michael Scott was so
Speaker 1: emotional for all of us, and me in particular, and
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. I met my boyfriend on the show of
Speaker 1: the Office, and he because he's the still photographer for NBC,
Speaker 1: so he was working time to time, so like he
Speaker 1: would be in the fake men's room a lot. That's
Speaker 1: where I'd meet him. Like, yeah, so he was in
Speaker 1: the fake men's room the whole time when Holly's coming
Speaker 1: through and we have the can't like we're lined up
Speaker 1: before she goes like my head and hit sees. So
Speaker 1: it was just something great to share. It was really awesome. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: what are your parents saying now, because I know they
Speaker 1: didn't want you to be an actress, so are they?
Speaker 1: My mom wasn't a real big honest, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a child stars. They were like, Um,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. My dad on a bar is
Speaker 1: like okay, whatever. Um, but you know, I think at
Speaker 1: one point, I think about a year before because I
Speaker 1: was forty years when I got the Office, so I
Speaker 1: had been guest starring. I've done a lot of Broadway.
Speaker 1: I was a second city. I mean, I had some
Speaker 1: minor successes that like told me I was doing the
Speaker 1: right thing, but um, I felt like a year before,
Speaker 1: maybe six months before I got the office. My dad
Speaker 1: actually said to me, because he was the most importive,
Speaker 1: he was sort of like, are you sure you don't
Speaker 1: want to do something else. I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Like if he's saying like, oh no, I like this
Speaker 1: is getting bad. Um. But yeah, I think at first
Speaker 1: they were sort of like we watched the whole thing
Speaker 1: and you barely talked, you know, me talk, you know.
Speaker 1: And then after a while they kind of bought on.
Speaker 1: But that was okay. So I would just not to
Speaker 1: take the call from Philadelphia which was three hours earlier,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I wouldn't know what God edited out or
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, Okay, I don't want to get
Speaker 1: upset about what's in around. I know, I know there's
Speaker 1: something bigger here, so you just have to sort of
Speaker 1: trust the process. I had to trust the process, like
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of what was it for
Speaker 1: you that's kind of stayed in it too, because I know,
Speaker 1: I mean I sometimes I think about your aunt too,
Speaker 1: you know, And I mean for me, I'm like, who
Speaker 1: knows if I'll ever book anything ever again. So it's
Speaker 1: and you kind of like well maybe, okay, what else
Speaker 1: can I do? So what what was it for you?
Speaker 1: They were like, no, like this is this is it?
Speaker 1: And well, I think I remember like nine eleven, I
Speaker 1: was waiting tables in Beverly Hills at the same restaurant
Speaker 1: was um And we started the office in two thousand four,
Speaker 1: so it was three years before that, and I was
Speaker 1: doing my comedy act, The Lampshades, was doing it every
Speaker 1: week and and auditioning and sometimes getting some you know
Speaker 1: parts here and there. I thought, you know, if this
Speaker 1: is it, this is all this is. I think I'm
Speaker 1: okay with this, Like if I could go with that,
Speaker 1: because nine eleven was like very reflective, you know, for
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: people made really interesting decisions at that time. I feel
Speaker 1: like a lot of people got divorced that time or whatever,
Speaker 1: change jobs. But I was like, okay, I could live
Speaker 1: with that. I could really live with that. So I
Speaker 1: think that was just like I just got more and
Speaker 1: more tenacious and just kind of did everything I could.
Speaker 1: I love that, and you almost didn't. You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: like this is this is good, Like I'm able to
Speaker 1: do things here, and you didn't put that pressure like
Speaker 1: I'm a failure because I feel like that's where I know,
Speaker 1: that's where I go a lot where I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: just Hallmark or whatever, and I'm constantly saying that, and
Speaker 1: it's like, but it's still work, and it's still you're
Speaker 1: still acting. It's still you're still doing but it's like
Speaker 1: it's not that like dream job that you think it is.
Speaker 1: But I love kind of that outlook to say, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's still great and you're doing anything Hallmark because
Speaker 1: I did a Hallmark Christmas movie probably like was it
Speaker 1: two thousand ten or something like ten years ago, And
Speaker 1: I remember there was this great actor that was in
Speaker 1: UM in the cast. He had like he had one
Speaker 1: uh he did movies and stuff. His name is Edward Herman.
Speaker 1: He played like FDR and a TV movie in the seventies.
Speaker 1: It was like a big deal. But anyway, he was
Speaker 1: like a legit dude, like he did. I think he
Speaker 1: was in UM Oh my god, Oh what is it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm thinking that. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of the movie that was about the water Gate. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he's been He was in a lot of like very
Speaker 1: early seventies movies, like really legit, dude. And I said
Speaker 1: to him, Oh my god, I'm having such a hard
Speaker 1: time because I feel like I don't believe myself. This is,
Speaker 1: you know, not the way I talked. And he said, listen,
Speaker 1: he goes, you wanna you're you're if we're presenting cheese,
Speaker 1: you want to make the cheese delicious something like, you
Speaker 1: want to make it really appetizing. It's sort of like
Speaker 1: get out of your own way. Like basically what he
Speaker 1: said to me was like stopping so full of whatever
Speaker 1: you think that you're supposed to be doing. And just
Speaker 1: because I'll be honest with you, there's so many people
Speaker 1: I know that live on the Hallmark movies. They live
Speaker 1: on that channel, and I feel like, who am I
Speaker 1: to think that. I mean, I'm lucky to be in
Speaker 1: their homes, you know, on their TVs. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just really feel like there's a humility factor that kicks
Speaker 1: in and and you know, everybody has to listen to
Speaker 1: their own voice. But it's also like good over yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very true. I mean that's hard with any kind of
Speaker 1: entertainment profession, whether it's acting, music, professional athletics. It's like
Speaker 1: we all have experienced that where you reach a certain
Speaker 1: level and it still feels like it's not enough, right,
Speaker 1: Like you think about how many young actresses would die
Speaker 1: to be in a Hallmark movie or die to being
Speaker 1: a commercial, or how many college kids would love to
Speaker 1: be on the team when I was on and it's
Speaker 1: but it's any award winning or that Netflix show, and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm still not good enough to get there, right.
Speaker 1: It's just finding finding that balance between being you know,
Speaker 1: happy with where you're at, but not but not complacent.
Speaker 1: You know it's well, And I think the secret to
Speaker 1: is like, you know, everybody uh wants to get what
Speaker 1: they want, but do you really want what you get?
Speaker 1: You have to really make peace with that. What is it?
Speaker 1: What do they say comparison is the thief of joy
Speaker 1: for sure and a fortune cookie, but it's so truly
Speaker 1: it's all your joy. And I just feel like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, if you can just shut like put the
Speaker 1: blinders on, like she asked. That was something I actually
Speaker 1: learned on you have to go the stars, like, don't
Speaker 1: compare yourself to other people person in that competition. For
Speaker 1: most of the competition, I was all the other been
Speaker 1: one of their twenties and I'm like, I remember getting
Speaker 1: like two high scores two weeks in a row, and
Speaker 1: like they kind of give me a little shade in
Speaker 1: the ladieshop, and I'm like, what, like, just work harder,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? You know, that's amazing, but it's
Speaker 1: also just like again, like you just gotta keep your
Speaker 1: eyes on your own paper, and it's hard. It's hard,
Speaker 1: and you know, and whatever whatever you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if it means you need to get off your
Speaker 1: butt and stop waiting for other people to get your work,
Speaker 1: and maybe you need to create your own stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean whatever that means, because I feel like I
Speaker 1: do a lot of stage stuff just because I hate
Speaker 1: waiting for the phone to ring, right, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And it's just about hustling too. Was there any with
Speaker 1: with a cast in the office, with that many kind
Speaker 1: of people who all impacted the show so greatly, was
Speaker 1: there any kind of natural contention of like, man, you know,
Speaker 1: there's been a few weeks in the row, Angela has
Speaker 1: gotten a little bit more, Meredith has gotten a little
Speaker 1: bit more. You know, I feel like we were because
Speaker 1: we all start to kind of us on, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of unknowns, all of the unknowns pretty much. That
Speaker 1: really wasn't I feel like we were pretty much rooting
Speaker 1: for people, you know. I also feel like Steve said
Speaker 1: us such a great tone because things were happening for him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had not started movies before this, and
Speaker 1: I feel like if he's not acting like a jerk
Speaker 1: like then no one else really, So I feel like
Speaker 1: he set the tone. That's cool. The douchebag factor really
Speaker 1: low on the show, which was great. Did you have
Speaker 1: to take do a lot of takes with a lot
Speaker 1: of these scenes, because I mean, I watch again as
Speaker 1: a fan, I'm like, there's no way in hell I
Speaker 1: could keep it straight faced, Like how the hell do
Speaker 1: you do that? But in that kind of show, are
Speaker 1: you me? But you also ruin up for other people
Speaker 1: like you were on the take laughing, and also like
Speaker 1: you have to you guys are like let's go. I
Speaker 1: want to get home. Stop laughing. It's so true. And
Speaker 1: I also feel like, also you're part of the funny
Speaker 1: if you can keep it together for sure, like like
Speaker 1: you know, then you're then you're in it it. So
Speaker 1: you just have to, you know, do And sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna drama, I'm gonna drama. I'm gonna drama,
Speaker 1: Like I kind of things to myself, like what I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine. Um, Kate, can you tell us about,
Speaker 1: um what you're doing right now, because um, you're helping
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen raising some money right yes, Amaze is this
Speaker 1: amazing organization that, um they're connected to the variety of
Speaker 1: Boys and Girls clubs of Los Angeles and they you know,
Speaker 1: they're basically trying to keep the kids that go to
Speaker 1: the boys and girls clubs like they are. They go
Speaker 1: for exercise, but they also go for food. They get
Speaker 1: fed there, and you know, all those things are closed
Speaker 1: right now, so we need to figure out how to
Speaker 1: feed these kids. So what we're doing is we're asking
Speaker 1: people to donate, and um, we're uh gonna pick some
Speaker 1: people from the people who donate, um to have a
Speaker 1: virtual coffee date with creed Oscar plays jan and mea
Speaker 1: plays Manredeth. So it's gonna be that's awesome. So I
Speaker 1: feel like if that's not incentive, I mean, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is I mean? But also just the incidive of
Speaker 1: the kids, like come on, like we're I know, everybody's
Speaker 1: having a lot of weird issues right now. Financially actually
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But I'll bet you have food in
Speaker 1: your stomach. You know, I bet you've got a roof
Speaker 1: over your head and you're not you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, it's just a little perspective,
Speaker 1: perspective and people can go to Amy's dot com dot
Speaker 1: com slash the office. Um yeah, and it's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's easy. You don't have to give a lot. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit. I said, if everyone just
Speaker 1: gives a dollar, like, imagine how much money can be raised.
Speaker 1: That's that's actually that's right. I mean it's crazy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that one thing you're going to buy
Speaker 1: on Amazon that you don't really need, right, Okay, thank
Speaker 1: you so so much for taking time out of your
Speaker 1: day to be with us. Go call your boyfriend back
Speaker 1: and we appreciate your time. Appreciate so much, Kate. You
Speaker 1: guys are awesome. Take care of Kate. Oh, I forgot
Speaker 1: to show my dundee. Oh that's so great. I don't
Speaker 1: know what this is, but I'm sure he'll fill me in.
Speaker 1: I'll feel you in. This makes my heart warm a dundee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll feel you in don't mind my
Speaker 1: pretty wife. Okay, we're awesome. Thank you, thank you. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, I love her. You have to, I think,
Speaker 1: sorry like you, but you didn't say something like she
Speaker 1: was she's Oh my goodness, she was awesome. I just
Speaker 1: have to make a little asterix though, too. I love Hallmark, Okay.
Speaker 1: I would like to be the new Laurie Loughlin for sure.
Speaker 1: So that was just like back in the day. I
Speaker 1: used to be like, oh, because you know, I see
Speaker 1: people on things that I'm like, well, I mean, anybody
Speaker 1: wants to be you on the billboard going down sunset
Speaker 1: and you know, but I'm I'm happy to be a
Speaker 1: Hallmark girl. You love the Hallmark. I love the Hallmark Channel.
Speaker 1: I love life. Great to you, they love you, love them.
Speaker 1: But she's amazing, so much fun. I just want to
Speaker 1: sit down and have coffee with her, for sure. But
Speaker 1: she reminds me of your aunt a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because your aunts in the Second City. It's just like that,
Speaker 1: like you know, and she worked her butt off and
Speaker 1: she got her you know, she got her break. I love.
Speaker 1: I just love that so much. All right, um, let's
Speaker 1: take a break and then let's read some email. Do
Speaker 1: you want to read an email? Bib did you really
Speaker 1: want me to read the email? Which one do you
Speaker 1: want me to read? Do you? Uh? Carly? Carly? Okay? No, no, Anonymous,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Anonymous. I mean Carly needs to be heard too, Okay.
Speaker 1: Quarantined and no therapy. I've been with my husband for
Speaker 1: thirteen years, married for seven. We have three kids together.
Speaker 1: Are two boys are twelve, up in six, and our
Speaker 1: girl is eighteen months. Just three weeks ago, my husband
Speaker 1: confessed to me that he was shoot um. Just three
Speaker 1: weeks ago, my husband confessed to me that he was
Speaker 1: unfaithful to me twice over ten years ago. He says
Speaker 1: it was just a one time thing, and he's a
Speaker 1: great man who I know made very poor choices. So
Speaker 1: I gave him one condition, we have to go to
Speaker 1: couples therapy. Now with the quarantine, we've not been able
Speaker 1: to go to therapy or speak to anyone. Now that
Speaker 1: the kids are home and my husband is working from home.
Speaker 1: He sleeps in the guest bedroom when I asked him
Speaker 1: um to. But sometimes that is not enough. Some days
Speaker 1: are good, others not so much. I have hoped for us,
Speaker 1: but we need help and it's hard to get it. Now,
Speaker 1: what are some other ways we can work on our
Speaker 1: marriage without therapy? Right now? You know it's so hard
Speaker 1: about that. It's like it's twofold. First is like I
Speaker 1: love that he told her, Like what a gift that
Speaker 1: like he gave her because she doesn't have to find out,
Speaker 1: Like she didn't have to find out. She didn't have,
Speaker 1: you know, to discover it. So like at shows right
Speaker 1: there that he must have just been guilt ridden with
Speaker 1: all this guilt and that you know, he just couldn't
Speaker 1: live with that anymore. So you want to tell her.
Speaker 1: And I think that's great that he did that. However,
Speaker 1: now she's in that place where it's all been a lie. Mhm.
Speaker 1: How could he have said these things to me? How
Speaker 1: could he have done these things? Oh? I bet? Okay,
Speaker 1: So ten years ago when we were having our one
Speaker 1: kid and you know, when we went to this or
Speaker 1: we went to this birthday party, that was a lie,
Speaker 1: and like this was a lie because of one incident
Speaker 1: makes it all a lie for us. And that's what's
Speaker 1: just so like devastating because it's almost like in my
Speaker 1: mind and I this is probably the worst thing ever
Speaker 1: I could ever say. But if it was one time.
Speaker 1: I want to be like, I don't even want to
Speaker 1: know because I don't want my past to feel like
Speaker 1: a lie. But then like, but then it is a lie,
Speaker 1: because that's a lie that you're like keeping from me.
Speaker 1: So it's such a weird. Yeah, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: ask you. And this isn't me believing that this is
Speaker 1: the what should have happened, or this isn't me saying
Speaker 1: this is what I do. This is just me kind
Speaker 1: of playing devil's advocate just for the topic of conversation.
Speaker 1: And when it's something that happened that long ago, like
Speaker 1: you said, he must have been just eaten away by
Speaker 1: this um over time. I still want to know. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, But if you look at it from a
Speaker 1: big picture, like stand away from it, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: say he hasn't done anything in over ten years and
Speaker 1: they have these three kids in its great life. It's
Speaker 1: also I can see how difficult it is to get
Speaker 1: to the point to say something when you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt this person's it's it's so tough. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: you can never go wrong telling the truth, bottom line,
Speaker 1: And I can never go wrong, and I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that is always the right
Speaker 1: thing to do, is to tell the truth because no
Speaker 1: matter what, if that person, like that person is living
Speaker 1: with that lie in that shame and for them, that's
Speaker 1: so important to tell and to like let that go. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously the it's going to end up hurting the spouse
Speaker 1: or the partner, and that's unfortunate, but this, you know,
Speaker 1: it's very unfair, and it's it's all those things. But
Speaker 1: that is, at the end of the day, the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. And even though I say I don't
Speaker 1: want to, like even if it's one time, I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a do, but don't. And I think
Speaker 1: of it like insects in the city, when Steve cheated
Speaker 1: on Miranda, Um, it was just that and like in
Speaker 1: Carrious like it was just that one time, you know,
Speaker 1: and I feel like, yes, it was just that one time.
Speaker 1: But Steve, look how upset he was, like he couldn't
Speaker 1: have that lie and obviously like he had to let
Speaker 1: that go. So I don't know. I I would say,
Speaker 1: like it ways to help them. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: so hard not kind of being in that space. What
Speaker 1: I would say and what I've learned is that even
Speaker 1: though maybe to you and I'm not saying that you're
Speaker 1: doing this, I'm just making this up, saying that you
Speaker 1: might be thinking those memories are alive, but those memories
Speaker 1: are still your memories, so whatever. So like, for example,
Speaker 1: I used to say to Mike, all the time, you
Speaker 1: took away my first year of marriage, my first yeah,
Speaker 1: first year of marriage and are walking down the aisle,
Speaker 1: so that must have not been real. So the marriage
Speaker 1: wasn't real, you know, Jolie's birth, all that stuff, being pregnant.
Speaker 1: So I let him take those memories from me. And
Speaker 1: my therapist kept saying to me, no, you were present there,
Speaker 1: that doesn't that's not for him. He can't take those
Speaker 1: memories from you. But I held I let him have
Speaker 1: that power to take that memory because I'm like, well
Speaker 1: he wasn't present, and she's like, but were you? Were
Speaker 1: you present? Those memories are still real. Your relationship memory
Speaker 1: might be taken, but your memory of those things can
Speaker 1: still be real. And also to you know guys, and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying just guys, but like women too, when
Speaker 1: when you're in that relationship, I knew I've done this too.
Speaker 1: I can like you guys said, um, you can, and I,
Speaker 1: like I said, I've done this too where I have
Speaker 1: um compartmentalized it. So maybe he was present, but like,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you say that? Because I'm
Speaker 1: like you, you you were and you weren't. Really You're
Speaker 1: a version of your one version was present. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I can see how one lie can go over, can
Speaker 1: bleed over into other memories. But ultimately, you know, I
Speaker 1: was still present at our wedding and still there and
Speaker 1: the same thing with our daughter. And I know it's
Speaker 1: hard to believe that because of things that had gone
Speaker 1: on or we're going on, but I'll still there in present. Um,
Speaker 1: you know my thing, I guess for any kind of uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know advice. Again, we're not professionals, but early
Speaker 1: on what did help us once we discovered it was
Speaker 1: the fantos check in and just to have for when
Speaker 1: you're in this kind of environment around each other so
Speaker 1: much where passiveness could be so easy, and getting angry
Speaker 1: with each other and getting short and defensive with each other,
Speaker 1: having it the nightly check in, especially at this vulnerable time,
Speaker 1: just to speak on your feelings, affirm each other, express needs,
Speaker 1: and own anything you need to own for that day
Speaker 1: and just do you want to go through that again
Speaker 1: just in case if someone has missed that, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: if if anyone out there has missed that. And for anonymous,
Speaker 1: you express your feelings to each other. You can just
Speaker 1: state your feelings and you can do a brief description
Speaker 1: why you're feeling that way. I'm feeling angry, I'm feeling hurt,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling sad, I'm feeling happy, I'm feeling whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, you affirm your partner affirmed them. It could
Speaker 1: be something as simple as, hey, I appreciate you cooking dinner,
Speaker 1: clean up the kitchen, to hey, I appreciate you not
Speaker 1: getting defensive when I expressed my feelings earlier today or
Speaker 1: when I was kind of acting mean towards you. You didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, retaliate um needs you express your needs of
Speaker 1: you know, around things coming up or in that day
Speaker 1: or in that moment, or say hey, I really need
Speaker 1: you to be more empathetic and you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: apologize again or and then you know, own own anything
Speaker 1: any anything that you did, and just being on the
Speaker 1: receiving end of things to hear, you know, especially early
Speaker 1: on when Janna would sit there and do these check
Speaker 1: ins and own something from that day or recently of Hey, ultimately,
Speaker 1: I am sorry for being mean towards you, or being
Speaker 1: past ever being aggressive and reacting in a negative place
Speaker 1: around being hurt. Like just receiving her owning that motivated
Speaker 1: me more to be empathetic. So that's the only thing
Speaker 1: I could really say in this time, with no therapy
Speaker 1: and around each other so much, just over communicate those
Speaker 1: feelings so it becomes a more natural thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it, and I'm sorry that y'all are in that space.
Speaker 1: But I love the fact that you guys are willing
Speaker 1: to fight through it because I think if two people
Speaker 1: can well, we believe that if two people um work together,
Speaker 1: you can get through it. All Right, Babe, I think
Speaker 1: that's it. I think that's it. Um, you're ready to
Speaker 1: go kill the parent game. By the way, can we
Speaker 1: talk about can we do like the next episode? Do
Speaker 1: um like a mommy dad episode? Just talk like all kids.
Speaker 1: Let's do it, Okay, alright, bye guys,