Speaker 1: From iHeart Podcasts. This is Supreme The Battle for Row.
Speaker 2: Were Arguments eighteen Roll against.
Speaker 3: Wade, starring Maya Hawk and William H. Macy.
Speaker 4: When you are ready, mister Chief Justice, and may have
Speaker 4: pleased the Court?
Speaker 1: Episode four, Bright and Shiny object.
Speaker 5: All right, Harry, what's the wager today?
Speaker 6: No beat Warren. I've been running my clerks ragged lately.
Speaker 6: I'm surprised you can get up and down the court
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 5: No is this softy show some heart, Stephen?
Speaker 7: That was your rebound.
Speaker 8: Should be us out there, old.
Speaker 6: Buddy, for it wouldn't last ten seconds. I'm surprised that
Speaker 6: clerks even allow us to watch. We make them nervous,
Speaker 6: allow us.
Speaker 8: This is my courthouse.
Speaker 5: It sounded like an earthquake in my chambers the other day.
Speaker 5: I'd like to throttle whoever came up with the idea
Speaker 5: of putting hardwood and hoops on the roof of the
Speaker 5: Supreme Court? Are Bill and Thirgod's still giving you.
Speaker 8: Grief, That's one way to put it.
Speaker 5: You made the right call on the Pentagon papers. Harry
Speaker 5: Nixon had every right to block The Times from publishing
Speaker 5: it was classified material. Don't let those libs get in
Speaker 5: your head.
Speaker 8: Too late for that. Shake it off.
Speaker 9: Then I'm happy.
Speaker 5: Nixon's happy. Well, actually Nixon's furious, but he's happy with
Speaker 5: you. You did good. We'll rack up some points on the
Speaker 5: abortion thing.
Speaker 6: I doubt that, why Roe, Wade, Are you serious, Warren?
Speaker 6: We only agreed to hear the case to decide who
Speaker 6: has jurisdiction. It's not as if we'll be attempting to
Speaker 6: Oh Warren, No, wake up, Harry.
Speaker 5: Good pass Graham. But that's the way, Warren.
Speaker 6: Do not turn this case into something it's not, Road Wade.
Speaker 6: Is simply about whether the matter is suitable for state
Speaker 6: or federal court.
Speaker 8: That's all.
Speaker 6: It's about a local DA ignoring a lower court's orders.
Speaker 6: It is most certainly not about us deciding the constitutionality
Speaker 6: of abortion.
Speaker 5: I don't know about you, Harry, but I wasn't put
Speaker 5: on this court to sit on the sidelines on.
Speaker 8: The big issues.
Speaker 6: Nor were you put on it to start a civil war.
Speaker 5: Don't be so melodramatic, Harry.
Speaker 8: Oh no, of course not.
Speaker 6: You're right because people are always so calm and polite
Speaker 6: when disagreeing about abortion.
Speaker 5: Relax, Harry. We have the advantage on the court now
Speaker 5: for Nixon, men. Time to take our shot.
Speaker 2: Madison Constitutional Mindstitute, How may I direct your call?
Speaker 10: Hi?
Speaker 11: I need to speak to mister Roy Lucas. Please, It's
Speaker 11: Sarah Weddington.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Missus Weddington. He's not available at the moment,
Speaker 2: Madison Constitutional Lines. Dude, how may I direct your calls? Hi?
Speaker 3: Cheryl? It's Sarah Weddington again?
Speaker 11: Is he in?
Speaker 2: I'm afraid mister Lucas is unavailable, Missus Weddington. I'll have
Speaker 2: him call you back.
Speaker 11: Mister Lucas needs to call me, Cheryl. The brief is
Speaker 11: doing court in a few weeks and we haven't seen
Speaker 11: a single draft. I've had my sections done for weeks.
Speaker 11: Where are all the sections mister Lucas volunteered to take?
Speaker 11: I need to pray.
Speaker 2: I'll tell mister Lucas your call.
Speaker 3: Okay? But that hello?
Speaker 11: Hello Cheryl, Madison Constitutional Law Institute.
Speaker 3: How my I direct your call? Oh? Sorry, Cheryl? That
Speaker 3: was your line? Should I say mine now?
Speaker 11: Or do you know it by heart?
Speaker 2: Hello? Missus Weddington, mister Lucas.
Speaker 3: Is not in ye talk to you tomorrow, Cheryl Weddington.
Speaker 2: Residents, What can I do for you? Sarah?
Speaker 11: Mister Lucas Hello, Thank goodness, I called so many times.
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 2: What do you need, Sarah?
Speaker 8: We're swamped over here.
Speaker 11: I'm sorry to bother you, mister Lucas, but you said
Speaker 11: you'd have your draft of the brief to show me
Speaker 11: by now, by a month ago.
Speaker 2: Actually, Sarah, honey, we have a lot of cases.
Speaker 12: We can't just drop everything when you get anxious.
Speaker 11: Oh I see, of course, it's just the brief is
Speaker 11: due to the court soon.
Speaker 2: So listen. We're on top of it, Sarah.
Speaker 12: If you were here in New York, i'd be.
Speaker 2: Able to show you. You're just gonna have to trust me.
Speaker 2: I gotta right.
Speaker 3: Wait, what how's it going? I mean, it's coming along.
Speaker 11: I had some thoughts about the Eighth Amendment, Edward, how
Speaker 11: focused on the numbers?
Speaker 3: Crap?
Speaker 12: We need to respond to Mount Sinai, Beth, take this
Speaker 12: down to the esteem Board of Directors.
Speaker 8: Prayer request to my most recent mister Lucas.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt.
Speaker 8: What was it, Cheryl?
Speaker 3: Hello, mister Lucas.
Speaker 8: Sarah, what are you doing in New York?
Speaker 11: You said you could show me your draft of the
Speaker 11: brief if I were here, So I'm here.
Speaker 8: Mister Lucas, it's all right, Cheryl, give us a minute.
Speaker 13: Yes, mister Lucas, missus Weddington, Cheryl.
Speaker 8: So, Sarah, you came all the way up from Dallas.
Speaker 11: First airplane ride of my life, followed by my first taxi. Honestly,
Speaker 11: I don't know which was scarier. The city looks a
Speaker 11: lot more like Midnight Cowboy than breakfast at Tiffany's.
Speaker 3: If you ask me.
Speaker 8: And now, it's not a good time.
Speaker 11: I stopped by the Women's institute nearby, the one b
Speaker 11: and deb said offered to help us. They told me
Speaker 11: you haven't even reached out to them. Can I see
Speaker 11: the brief please, mister Lucas.
Speaker 12: Sarah, honey, relax, you had a long trip, and if
Speaker 12: you've made an a point with Cheryl, I could see.
Speaker 8: I've got back to backs all day. It's just not
Speaker 8: a good time.
Speaker 3: I won't be a bother. Mister Lucas.
Speaker 11: Just PLoP me down in one of the many rooms
Speaker 11: you got here and I'll just get to read.
Speaker 8: Tell you what, let Cheryl know where you're staying. I'll
Speaker 8: call you when I have something to show.
Speaker 3: And when will that be?
Speaker 11: The case is coming up on the Supreme Court's docket
Speaker 11: in a few months. The brief is due. But I
Speaker 11: know you know that because you already filed one extension, Sarah,
Speaker 11: not that you bothered to tell me. I received a
Speaker 11: letter about it in the mail. If we missed the
Speaker 11: next deadline, mister Lucas, the court could throw the case out.
Speaker 8: Relax. Remember I've done this before, Sarah.
Speaker 11: You haven't, which is exactly why I can't stand up
Speaker 11: there in front of the justices without a clear understanding
Speaker 11: of our argument. I need the brief to lay it
Speaker 11: all out. There's a million decisions to make, mister Lucas.
Speaker 11: Do we use the Fourth Amendment the nine Some people
Speaker 11: are saying we should use the thirteenth prohibited slavery. But
Speaker 11: can I really stand up there and argue that force
Speaker 11: and a woman to carry a pregnancy to term is
Speaker 11: involuntary servitude? I need help now. How far along are
Speaker 11: you and your team, Sarah.
Speaker 8: We're going to start on the brief just as soon
Speaker 8: as we can.
Speaker 11: Holy hell, you haven't started yet.
Speaker 12: Lower your voice, Sarah. Do you have any idea for
Speaker 12: the workload around here? How many cases I have to
Speaker 12: get through? How many are coming up before doors?
Speaker 3: You have other abortion cases.
Speaker 12: Loads I'm involved in every major abortion case in this country.
Speaker 12: You know that the argument from a paper I wrote
Speaker 12: at NYU is responsible for every reason I know.
Speaker 11: I hope how many of your other cases are on
Speaker 11: behalf of women seeking the procedure, and how many are
Speaker 11: on behalf of wealthy hospitals and providers in need of counsel.
Speaker 8: You're out of your depth, Sarah.
Speaker 11: True words have never been spoken, mister Lucas. But it
Speaker 11: also seems like your prioritizing case is paid for by
Speaker 11: healthcare providers with deep pockets, as opposed to my case,
Speaker 11: which pays nothing.
Speaker 8: Welcome to reality, Sarah, Nice to have you here.
Speaker 3: You made such a big show of it.
Speaker 11: What was that you came all this way down to
Speaker 11: Dallas acting like our big savior.
Speaker 3: But you're just a little boy, mister Lucas.
Speaker 11: You just want to collect as many bright and shiny
Speaker 11: objects as you can. That's all this case is to you,
Speaker 11: real bright, real shiny, and we gifted to you all
Speaker 11: wrapped up in a bow, and now that you have it,
Speaker 11: you're just a petulant child who leaves his presence around
Speaker 11: to collect dust. My case is not going to be
Speaker 11: one of your bright and shiny objects, mister Lucas.
Speaker 12: Get off your high horse, Sarah. You don't care about
Speaker 12: this case. You just wanted some legal experience. Helly, you
Speaker 12: told me so yourself. This case could be about anything.
Speaker 12: Don't try to pretend you're a true believer when you're
Speaker 12: every bit as ambitious as I am. Enjoy yourself while
Speaker 12: you're here, Sarah. You're twenty five years old and you're
Speaker 12: in New York for the first time. Have some fun
Speaker 12: taking a show. The Prisoner of Second Avenue is wonderful.
Speaker 12: Go see the sights and then go on back to
Speaker 12: Dallas and I will get you the pages just as
Speaker 12: soon as I can.
Speaker 3: I have another idea.
Speaker 11: Actually, may I make a long distance call?
Speaker 3: Please? Ron, I need you, darling. How soon can you
Speaker 3: get up here?
Speaker 8: Now hold on a second, Sarah.
Speaker 13: Soon, mister Lucas, your services are no longer required.
Speaker 7: Mister and Missus Weddington. I'm Mikey Eisenberg. We spoke on
Speaker 7: the phone. I work here at the Women's Institute.
Speaker 3: Of course, mikey Aha.
Speaker 7: We're excited to help you. However we can. Can I
Speaker 7: grab your suitcase?
Speaker 11: Missus Weddington, We've got a Mikey and call me, Sarah.
Speaker 3: This is Ron where are we exactly?
Speaker 7: Mit, technically this is Grammarcy. We're like spitting distance from
Speaker 7: Union Square?
Speaker 11: Is it say it's New York, Sarah, I literally don't
Speaker 11: know what that.
Speaker 7: Means, Sarah.
Speaker 14: Ron, it's my distinct pleasure to welcome you to the
Speaker 14: Women's Institute and Abortion Referral Service.
Speaker 7: You'll be bunking upstairs on the fifth floor.
Speaker 10: Sorry about all the steps, and I mean sorry in
Speaker 10: general that it's not more.
Speaker 3: It's fun.
Speaker 11: We're grateful to the Institute of putting us up at all.
Speaker 11: We definitely could not afford a hotel in this city.
Speaker 14: This used to be the switchboard room, still is, I guess,
Speaker 14: But we'll now also.
Speaker 10: Be your bedroom. But there's no bed, Sure there is,
Speaker 10: Ron right there. Those are sofa cushions, Mikey on the floor.
Speaker 8: The stuff into hanging out.
Speaker 10: It's not the plaza.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 10: It's an oven up here. My god, heat rises.
Speaker 14: I guess they say it's going to be the hotest
Speaker 14: summer since sixty six.
Speaker 11: You know what, it's fine, it's perfect, Ron, it's perfect.
Speaker 14: Why don't I let you two get settled. The bathroom
Speaker 14: is on four. Then come downstairs and you can address
Speaker 14: the troops Sarah. All the volunteers and staff were so
Speaker 14: excited to get the call from your Dallas group. We
Speaker 14: mostly work on outreach and policy advocacy here, but a
Speaker 14: bunch of our volunteers are pre law and one els
Speaker 14: we can't wait to be put to work on your case. Oh,
Speaker 14: careful of the window, it's pretty dusty.
Speaker 8: Mikey level with me. Would you live here?
Speaker 14: Are you kidding me? I live in Alphabet City. This
Speaker 14: is the plaza compared to my place.
Speaker 11: Will be so busy we won't even notice.
Speaker 7: Hi, Sarah, Come meet everyone.
Speaker 4: Hi, y'all here, take my chair, Sarah, Get.
Speaker 7: You some coffee, Sarah, I'm okay.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 11: I can't tell you how much Ron and I appreciate
Speaker 11: all of you donating your time like this, especially in
Speaker 11: this heat, and we're coming from Texas.
Speaker 8: You'll get used to it.
Speaker 4: No, you won't.
Speaker 11: Well, as I think you all already know. Our main
Speaker 11: job here is to write the Supreme courpri for.
Speaker 8: Our case and to prepare Sarah for argument.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 13: Ron.
Speaker 11: Now, this would normally occupy a dozen lawyers working full
Speaker 11: time for months at any major firm.
Speaker 3: We have four weeks and I'll be the only one
Speaker 3: on it. Full time.
Speaker 11: We do have my gorgeous husband Ron over there though,
Speaker 11: till he has to head back to Dallas.
Speaker 3: Now, who else do we have?
Speaker 4: I'm Katie and this is Lucy. We're full time here
Speaker 4: at the women's institutes. We want to help any way
Speaker 4: we can, Sarah, anyway at all girls.
Speaker 3: That's fantastic.
Speaker 14: Thank you, and Chloe and George over there are our interns.
Speaker 7: We're all here for you, Sarah.
Speaker 8: Just tell us what to do.
Speaker 13: Ron, are you awake?
Speaker 8: What do you think?
Speaker 11: I think you're a hero overcoming in New York and
Speaker 11: for sleeping on the floor. I want you to know
Speaker 11: how much I appreciate it.
Speaker 8: It's not like I'm missing work.
Speaker 3: You'll find another job soon. You're much smarter than I am.
Speaker 13: Ron.
Speaker 3: Another firm is going to snap you up.
Speaker 8: You'll see what the hell am I doing in New York? Sarah.
Speaker 8: You don't need me on this thing.
Speaker 13: Of course I do. You're a brilliant lawyer, much better
Speaker 13: than I have.
Speaker 15: Stop saying that, would you? You know you don't believe it,
Speaker 15: and don't condescend to me in front of your interns.
Speaker 8: Embarrassing.
Speaker 13: I'm sorry I didn't realize I was.
Speaker 15: Let's just go to sleep. Okay, it's three am.
Speaker 3: All right, Mike.
Speaker 11: He said he saw the news tonight nixing out a
Speaker 11: lot of abortions at all military hospitals.
Speaker 8: You think that was aimed at you?
Speaker 13: I think it was aimed at Warrenberger.
Speaker 8: This damn heat.
Speaker 11: You think if we were dropped off in Sarajevo we'd
Speaker 11: be able to tell the difference.
Speaker 8: I was thinking it's more like Attika.
Speaker 11: At least they have recreation time there. We spend every
Speaker 11: second working. Oh it's so damn hot.
Speaker 13: You sure can't do this in Attica.
Speaker 8: That's my point, Sarah.
Speaker 3: The heck it is wrong. Balls give the net and
Speaker 3: you know it.
Speaker 8: Fine cheat seventeen, serving eighteen.
Speaker 4: Why haven't we talked about fetus, right, Sarah?
Speaker 3: Not now, Katie. I need to concentrate.
Speaker 4: This is your sixth game in a row. I think
Speaker 4: you can handle it.
Speaker 3: I think better when I play ping pong.
Speaker 4: The fourteenth Amendment defines the person as anyone born or naturalized, says,
Speaker 4: so right here.
Speaker 3: My point seventeen surving nineteen.
Speaker 4: We should use this, Sarah. A fetus hasn't been born,
Speaker 4: so therefore has no rights under the Fourteenth Like literally
Speaker 4: doesn't have the right to life, so killing a fetus
Speaker 4: can't be a crime.
Speaker 15: But there have been toward cases where a fetus that
Speaker 15: was injured in the womb has warded damages.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but only after birth.
Speaker 14: Ron look at this Keeler Verse Superior Court who assaulted
Speaker 14: his pregnant wife killing the fetus was found not guilty
Speaker 14: of murder. Fetuses don't have property or inheritance rights for
Speaker 14: hundreds of years of common law. If fetus has never
Speaker 14: had the rights of a person.
Speaker 11: We use a similar case in Dallas Mocky. But it's
Speaker 11: a dangerous path. Do we really want the justices arguing
Speaker 11: about when life begins? What if our opposition brings in
Speaker 11: priests and rabbis and argue life begins a conception good backfire.
Speaker 4: That's insane. Holy men shouldn't have a say.
Speaker 11: The court is made up of flesh and blood, human beings, Katie,
Speaker 11: with their own religious and emotional baggage, their own families.
Speaker 11: I don't want them distracted by trying to figure out
Speaker 11: when life begins.
Speaker 3: I kind of do.
Speaker 4: Imagine if they were forced to decide that life exists
Speaker 4: like inside sperm, they'd literally have to call birth control murder.
Speaker 16: Forget that masturbation would be murder, which is something that
Speaker 16: even the justices won't get behind. It's my serve, Sarah,
Speaker 16: damn it h eighteen nineteen Sarah, we need to take
Speaker 16: big swings.
Speaker 14: If we play it safe and don't take any chances,
Speaker 14: this decision will be super narrow and base. We have
Speaker 14: the same way as that ping pong ball.
Speaker 11: We can't start expanding the argument. Guys, we're drowning and
Speaker 11: research as it is. You're here for what eight hours
Speaker 11: a week? We can only do what we.
Speaker 3: Have time for.
Speaker 15: I agree with Mikey, Sarah, you always play things to
Speaker 15: your safe.
Speaker 11: Oh, shut up, wrong, serve the ball. Hello, Linda and Sarah,
Speaker 11: Please don't hang up.
Speaker 17: I'm not a child, Sarah. I'm not gonna hang up
Speaker 17: on you.
Speaker 3: You have to come to New York.
Speaker 17: Linda, Okay, now I'm hanging up.
Speaker 11: We need you.
Speaker 3: I need you.
Speaker 11: I'm the only person working full time on this case.
Speaker 11: I'm losing my time with everyone. I'm botting Ron's head off.
Speaker 11: The interns here are God's sins, but they're like twelve
Speaker 11: years old.
Speaker 3: So are you.
Speaker 11: Plus I've already beaten them all in ping pong, and
Speaker 11: I need.
Speaker 17: Fresh met I have a job, Sarah, the firmal just
Speaker 17: let me leave, and you wanted this right.
Speaker 2: You gets to me the face of the case.
Speaker 3: How many times do I need to apologize?
Speaker 17: Keep going?
Speaker 3: I'll let you know I should.
Speaker 11: Have acknowledged your role more, Linda, Okay, I don't know
Speaker 11: what to say.
Speaker 3: I'm a jerk. I've never been interviewed before. I wasn't prepared.
Speaker 11: I can't do this without you. You know procedure and
Speaker 11: statute a million times better than me. You're essential to
Speaker 11: this case, and I promise to shout that from the
Speaker 11: rafters every chance I get from here on out.
Speaker 3: Please, this case needs you.
Speaker 17: You're getting warmer.
Speaker 15: Do you really believe all that?
Speaker 3: Right now? Linda?
Speaker 11: I swear to God, we're gonna lose, and we're gonna
Speaker 11: lose big, and I'll not only have let all our
Speaker 11: plaintiffs down, but I will have set the move went
Speaker 11: back a decade. This case is going to force none
Speaker 11: old men to decide women's rights for generations. So when
Speaker 11: I fail, millions, hundreds of millions people keep telling me
Speaker 11: I have the chance to.
Speaker 3: Change the world, and I think they're right.
Speaker 11: But without your help, there's a very very, very good chance,
Speaker 11: it's going to be for the worst.
Speaker 3: I can be on the plane by.
Speaker 18: Day morning one.
Speaker 5: Why do you insist on driving yourself to court? Harry,
Speaker 5: Louis would be happy to pick you up. You're right
Speaker 5: on our way in Morning, Justice Burger, Justice Blackman, Morning
Speaker 5: James James. You coming by for lunch today, Harry, eleven thirty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's have it in your chambers, all right. I'd
Speaker 6: like to have a private talk about my workload. I
Speaker 6: think I'm ready to take on a little more.
Speaker 5: Well, it's about time.
Speaker 6: I have a few ideas for cases that may help
Speaker 6: me get my feet wet.
Speaker 5: If there's no clear majority, Harry, I'm assigning.
Speaker 8: You the abortion case. Excuse me.
Speaker 5: You've got the medical background from your time at Mayo.
Speaker 5: You're the obvious.
Speaker 6: Choice, Lauren, I am, at best, the sixth most obvious choice.
Speaker 6: I haven't written a single major decision yet.
Speaker 5: You just said you wanted more responsibility. Here, I'm handing
Speaker 5: it to you.
Speaker 7: You're handing me a live grenade.
Speaker 6: You want my first major decision on this court to
Speaker 6: be settling the abortion controversy.
Speaker 7: You're out of your mind.
Speaker 5: Relax, Harry, you'll do fine.
Speaker 6: They'll all resent it. And me, Bill Whizzer third Good. Anyway,
Speaker 6: the senior justice in the majority gets to assign the case,
Speaker 6: it may not be yours to give out.
Speaker 5: Let me worry about third Good, Bill and the others.
Speaker 5: You both know which way this case is gonna come down.
Speaker 6: You have a crystal ball, Warren. We haven't even heard
Speaker 6: the case yet or read the briefs. I have no
Speaker 6: earthly idea which way we'll. Don't be a child, Harry,
Speaker 6: what's this really about, Warren?
Speaker 9: You'll do fine, Harry.
Speaker 8: I thought you could use a refail.
Speaker 11: Ron. You're the greatest, Thank you baby, Such a clear
Speaker 11: nat you can see all the way to the Statue
Speaker 11: of Liberty.
Speaker 13: It really does look like a little village, doesn't it if.
Speaker 15: You ignore the sirens, burglar alarms, constant Honkins. Sure, Mikey
Speaker 15: tell you a stewardess was murdered around the corner a
Speaker 15: few nights ago.
Speaker 13: You're gonna move, Ron.
Speaker 11: Sorry, I'm no expert, but I bet this is the
Speaker 11: best breeze in New York right now?
Speaker 8: What do you think I'm leaving, Sarah All?
Speaker 3: This is for us, Ron, You know that, right?
Speaker 11: I mean, you know how easy it'd be for me
Speaker 11: to stay at my dead end job for the next
Speaker 11: forty years.
Speaker 3: Just stay there and finish that sentence.
Speaker 15: Ron, stay in a dead end job and stay married
Speaker 15: to me, that's a nightmare, I.
Speaker 13: Of course not.
Speaker 3: How can you even you.
Speaker 15: Think I've enjoyed having you boss me around in front
Speaker 15: of these interns.
Speaker 8: Sarah, you know how.
Speaker 15: Often my friends rasp me about my famous independent wife.
Speaker 8: Do you know one other man who would allow his
Speaker 8: wife to do this?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 8: Well, then why the hell should I?
Speaker 11: Because I'm drowning wrong. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 11: I'm doing. I pretend to be confident because I know
Speaker 11: I should be as the lead attorney, But every moment
Speaker 11: with these interns, I'm terrified they're going to realize I'm
Speaker 11: a fraud. God Roy Lucas was supposed to help us
Speaker 11: figure all this out. Instead, I'm the one that has
Speaker 11: to decide what constitutional argument to pay abortion to me,
Speaker 11: the oldest twenty five year old on the planet. I'm
Speaker 11: in so far over my head I can't even see
Speaker 11: the damn sky. And staying in my dead end job
Speaker 11: and staying married to you isn't the night mare?
Speaker 3: Wrong?
Speaker 8: No? What is?
Speaker 3: What if I'm wrong?
Speaker 8: What if you're wrong about what, Sarah?
Speaker 11: What if life really does start a conception? What if
Speaker 11: everything they're arguing is absolutely right and everything I'm arguing
Speaker 11: is absolutely wrong. If somehow we pull this off, if
Speaker 11: by some miracle we win this thing and I'm dead
Speaker 11: wrong about all of it, well, I guess that make
Speaker 11: me responsible for more murders than just about anybody in history.
Speaker 11: So my question wrong is what if I'm wrong? Please
Speaker 11: don't leave.
Speaker 3: What do we think about privacy? Katie?
Speaker 4: Here are the Women's Institute. I think we're lucky. There
Speaker 4: are doors on the bathroom stalls.
Speaker 3: Sarah, very funny.
Speaker 11: Look at these pages. The Court has been deciding privacy
Speaker 11: cases for years. They just don't call it that.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? What do they call it?
Speaker 11: Just as Brandeis wrote in a Descent about forty years
Speaker 11: ago that people have the right to be left alone,
Speaker 11: the abortion laws are the opposite of that, aren't they.
Speaker 3: They're so invasive.
Speaker 4: But if Brandeis wrote it in a dissenting opinion.
Speaker 3: It's still in the record, still precedent.
Speaker 4: If the current court even cares, there's four next and
Speaker 4: cronies on there.
Speaker 11: Now, cronies who are still bound by the justices that
Speaker 11: came before. Look at this Pierce v. Society of Sisters,
Speaker 11: olm said vus mayor of v Nebraska. All rely on
Speaker 11: an unstated, unwritten right to privacy.
Speaker 4: Okay, but I'd feel better if it was like actually stated.
Speaker 3: We take what we can get. Katie. There's an implicit
Speaker 3: rat to privacy in the nonth Amendment.
Speaker 4: Again, I'd feel better if it was explicit. I guess
Speaker 4: I just worry that if we rely on a right
Speaker 4: that's not actually written into the Constitution, even if we win,
Speaker 4: critics will have an easy target.
Speaker 3: So what's the alternative? The equal protection clause?
Speaker 4: Why not restricting abortion definitely impeded? Shender equality?
Speaker 3: What is wrong with that?
Speaker 17: What's wrong with it is that Sarah wants to win.
Speaker 3: Linda, Oh my god, you're here.
Speaker 17: And nine men will never agree that de nine women
Speaker 17: abortions has anything to do with equality. I can give
Speaker 17: you a week before my firm sends an assassin to
Speaker 17: hunt me down.
Speaker 11: In this neighborhood. Who'd even notice me, Katie, our truly
Speaker 11: brilliant intern.
Speaker 17: A Hi, Katie, where's wrong? He came up from Dallas
Speaker 17: with you, right.
Speaker 10: Sir Sarah?
Speaker 8: Sarah?
Speaker 3: Micky ahead let me introduce you to Linda Costs. He
Speaker 3: screwed us, Mackie.
Speaker 14: I'm sorry, but he took us behind the shed. Now
Speaker 14: hould our pants down.
Speaker 3: In calmed out? Tell us what you're talking about?
Speaker 14: And an appearance paper has to be filed with the
Speaker 14: Supreme Court before the trial.
Speaker 3: Okay, fun, we'll file it.
Speaker 8: So you're pal.
Speaker 7: Roy Lukeucas already filed it himself.
Speaker 11: Sarah, I don't understand what did mister Lucas file exactly?
Speaker 7: He visited himself as counsel, just himself.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's not allowed to do that.
Speaker 10: What's allowed?
Speaker 7: There is no allowed.
Speaker 14: He did it. He stole our case, Sarah, far As
Speaker 14: the Supreme Court's concerned. Roy Lucas is lead counsel in
Speaker 14: the matter of Roe versus Wade. End of story. Sarah,
Speaker 14: you're not even going to be permitted to speak in court.
Speaker 17: Landa looks legitimate, Sarah.
Speaker 7: We gotta fight this immediately.
Speaker 4: Mike, he's right. Who do we know what the Supreme
Speaker 4: Court that can help maybe a clerk or no.
Speaker 3: You know what, It's fine, mister Lucas is more experienced.
Speaker 8: What how can you say that, Sarah?
Speaker 11: You can't be serious? Lucas has worked on this level before, Linda,
Speaker 11: we haven't. I've only stood before Judge a single solitary time,
Speaker 11: and we're struggling.
Speaker 3: Let mister Lucas figure out which amendments to use.
Speaker 11: I know it's disappointing, but maybe this is the right outcome.
Speaker 10: What are you saying, Sarah?
Speaker 8: You just want to quit?
Speaker 10: This was all for nothing, Sarah.
Speaker 3: This is what Lucas does.
Speaker 4: It's his m We can't just let him win, Sarah win.
Speaker 3: This isn't a game. We do what's best for the case.
Speaker 11: Can you all honestly say I should be up there
Speaker 11: answering mister Thurgood Freaking Marshall's questions, William Brennan's on a
Speaker 11: case is important? Is this a case that can affect
Speaker 11: this many millions of people? Can you all honestly say
Speaker 11: that I'm the best person.
Speaker 9: For the job.
Speaker 3: Yes, well I can't. I'm sorry, Supreme.
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