WEBVTT - Ep 04: Bright And Shiny Object 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:13.640 From iHeart Podcasts. This is Supreme The Battle for Row. 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:18.000 Were Arguments eighteen Roll against. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.360 Wade, starring Maya Hawk and William H. Macy. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.240 When you are ready, mister Chief Justice, and may have 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:28.000 pleased the Court? 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.479 Episode four, Bright and Shiny object. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.240 All right, Harry, what's the wager today? 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.000 No beat Warren. I've been running my clerks ragged lately. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:44.920 I'm surprised you can get up and down the court 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:45.279 at all. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.600 No is this softy show some heart, Stephen? 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:50.480 That was your rebound. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.360 Should be us out there, old. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:57.200 Buddy, for it wouldn't last ten seconds. I'm surprised that 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.720 clerks even allow us to watch. We make them nervous, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:00.720 allow us. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:02.280 This is my courthouse. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.479 It sounded like an earthquake in my chambers the other day. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.760 I'd like to throttle whoever came up with the idea 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:09.920 of putting hardwood and hoops on the roof of the 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:14.360 Supreme Court? Are Bill and Thirgod's still giving you. 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.280 Grief, That's one way to put it. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.720 You made the right call on the Pentagon papers. Harry 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.920 Nixon had every right to block The Times from publishing 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.440 it was classified material. Don't let those libs get in 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:26.120 your head. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.200 Too late for that. Shake it off. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.080 Then I'm happy. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.240 Nixon's happy. Well, actually Nixon's furious, but he's happy with 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.679 you. You did good. We'll rack up some points on the 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:37.440 abortion thing. 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:42.000 I doubt that, why Roe, Wade, Are you serious, Warren? 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.480 We only agreed to hear the case to decide who 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.920 has jurisdiction. It's not as if we'll be attempting to 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.160 Oh Warren, No, wake up, Harry. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.240 Good pass Graham. But that's the way, Warren. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.919 Do not turn this case into something it's not, Road Wade. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.520 Is simply about whether the matter is suitable for state 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:04.640 or federal court. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:05.760 That's all. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.800 It's about a local DA ignoring a lower court's orders. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.519 It is most certainly not about us deciding the constitutionality 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:15.160 of abortion. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.080 I don't know about you, Harry, but I wasn't put 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.200 on this court to sit on the sidelines on. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:21.079 The big issues. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.960 Nor were you put on it to start a civil war. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.560 Don't be so melodramatic, Harry. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:27.880 Oh no, of course not. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.160 You're right because people are always so calm and polite 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.840 when disagreeing about abortion. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.560 Relax, Harry. We have the advantage on the court now 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.919 for Nixon, men. Time to take our shot. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.520 Madison Constitutional Mindstitute, How may I direct your call? 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:08.240 Hi? 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.079 I need to speak to mister Roy Lucas. Please, It's 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:11.800 Sarah Weddington. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.440 I'm sorry, Missus Weddington. He's not available at the moment, 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.960 Madison Constitutional Lines. Dude, how may I direct your calls? Hi? 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.680 Cheryl? It's Sarah Weddington again? 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:24.200 Is he in? 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.840 I'm afraid mister Lucas is unavailable, Missus Weddington. I'll have 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:28.520 him call you back. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.880 Mister Lucas needs to call me, Cheryl. The brief is 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.959 doing court in a few weeks and we haven't seen 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.440 a single draft. I've had my sections done for weeks. 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.040 Where are all the sections mister Lucas volunteered to take? 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:40.960 I need to pray. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.040 I'll tell mister Lucas your call. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.480 Okay? But that hello? 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:56.800 Hello Cheryl, Madison Constitutional Law Institute. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.360 How my I direct your call? Oh? Sorry, Cheryl? That 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.000 was your line? Should I say mine now? 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.040 Or do you know it by heart? 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.640 Hello? Missus Weddington, mister Lucas. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:22.279 Is not in ye talk to you tomorrow, Cheryl Weddington. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.640 Residents, What can I do for you? Sarah? 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:30.640 Mister Lucas Hello, Thank goodness, I called so many times. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.640 How are you? 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:33.680 What do you need, Sarah? 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:34.880 We're swamped over here. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.000 I'm sorry to bother you, mister Lucas, but you said 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:39.599 you'd have your draft of the brief to show me 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.120 by now, by a month ago. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.839 Actually, Sarah, honey, we have a lot of cases. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.880 We can't just drop everything when you get anxious. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:51.960 Oh I see, of course, it's just the brief is 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.240 due to the court soon. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.480 So listen. We're on top of it, Sarah. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:56.719 If you were here in New York, i'd be. 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.440 Able to show you. You're just gonna have to trust me. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:04:59.240 I gotta right. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:04.279 Wait, what how's it going? I mean, it's coming along. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.120 I had some thoughts about the Eighth Amendment, Edward, how 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:09.359 focused on the numbers? 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:10.760 Crap? 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.000 We need to respond to Mount Sinai, Beth, take this 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.400 down to the esteem Board of Directors. 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.760 Prayer request to my most recent mister Lucas. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:29.799 I'm sorry to interrupt. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:30.520 What was it, Cheryl? 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.360 Hello, mister Lucas. 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.600 Sarah, what are you doing in New York? 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.320 You said you could show me your draft of the 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.080 brief if I were here, So I'm here. 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.480 Mister Lucas, it's all right, Cheryl, give us a minute. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.599 Yes, mister Lucas, missus Weddington, Cheryl. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.440 So, Sarah, you came all the way up from Dallas. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:57.480 First airplane ride of my life, followed by my first taxi. Honestly, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.680 I don't know which was scarier. The city looks a 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.599 lot more like Midnight Cowboy than breakfast at Tiffany's. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:03.680 If you ask me. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:04.920 And now, it's not a good time. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.560 I stopped by the Women's institute nearby, the one b 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.520 and deb said offered to help us. They told me 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.240 you haven't even reached out to them. Can I see 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:14.880 the brief please, mister Lucas. 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.839 Sarah, honey, relax, you had a long trip, and if 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.920 you've made an a point with Cheryl, I could see. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.000 I've got back to backs all day. It's just not 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:22.560 a good time. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.320 I won't be a bother. Mister Lucas. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.200 Just PLoP me down in one of the many rooms 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:27.720 you got here and I'll just get to read. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.600 Tell you what, let Cheryl know where you're staying. I'll 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:31.800 call you when I have something to show. 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:32.880 And when will that be? 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.880 The case is coming up on the Supreme Court's docket 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.720 in a few months. The brief is due. But I 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.000 know you know that because you already filed one extension, Sarah, 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.039 not that you bothered to tell me. I received a 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.400 letter about it in the mail. If we missed the 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.760 next deadline, mister Lucas, the court could throw the case out. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.920 Relax. Remember I've done this before, Sarah. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.840 You haven't, which is exactly why I can't stand up 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.920 there in front of the justices without a clear understanding 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.479 of our argument. I need the brief to lay it 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.440 all out. There's a million decisions to make, mister Lucas. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.120 Do we use the Fourth Amendment the nine Some people 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.400 are saying we should use the thirteenth prohibited slavery. But 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.920 can I really stand up there and argue that force 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:14.640 and a woman to carry a pregnancy to term is 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:19.760 involuntary servitude? I need help now. How far along are 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.120 you and your team, Sarah. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:22.600 We're going to start on the brief just as soon 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:23.200 as we can. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.240 Holy hell, you haven't started yet. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.400 Lower your voice, Sarah. Do you have any idea for 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.320 the workload around here? How many cases I have to 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.400 get through? How many are coming up before doors? 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.840 You have other abortion cases. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.520 Loads I'm involved in every major abortion case in this country. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.720 You know that the argument from a paper I wrote 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.920 at NYU is responsible for every reason I know. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.920 I hope how many of your other cases are on 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.080 behalf of women seeking the procedure, and how many are 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.840 on behalf of wealthy hospitals and providers in need of counsel. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:51.320 You're out of your depth, Sarah. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.240 True words have never been spoken, mister Lucas. But it 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.720 also seems like your prioritizing case is paid for by 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.800 healthcare providers with deep pockets, as opposed to my case, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:01.040 which pays nothing. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.680 Welcome to reality, Sarah, Nice to have you here. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.040 You made such a big show of it. 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.320 What was that you came all this way down to 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.680 Dallas acting like our big savior. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.640 But you're just a little boy, mister Lucas. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.520 You just want to collect as many bright and shiny 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.320 objects as you can. That's all this case is to you, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.000 real bright, real shiny, and we gifted to you all 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.360 wrapped up in a bow, and now that you have it, 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.480 you're just a petulant child who leaves his presence around 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.880 to collect dust. My case is not going to be 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:31.960 one of your bright and shiny objects, mister Lucas. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.960 Get off your high horse, Sarah. You don't care about 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.920 this case. You just wanted some legal experience. Helly, you 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.679 told me so yourself. This case could be about anything. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.400 Don't try to pretend you're a true believer when you're 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.360 every bit as ambitious as I am. Enjoy yourself while 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.040 you're here, Sarah. You're twenty five years old and you're 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:50.800 in New York for the first time. Have some fun 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.880 taking a show. The Prisoner of Second Avenue is wonderful. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.760 Go see the sights and then go on back to 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.360 Dallas and I will get you the pages just as 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:58.120 soon as I can. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:08:59.680 I have another idea. 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.320 Actually, may I make a long distance call? 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:18.360 Please? Ron, I need you, darling. How soon can you 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:18.839 get up here? 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.640 Now hold on a second, Sarah. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:25.600 Soon, mister Lucas, your services are no longer required. 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.080 Mister and Missus Weddington. I'm Mikey Eisenberg. We spoke on 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.480 the phone. I work here at the Women's Institute. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.120 Of course, mikey Aha. 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.200 We're excited to help you. However we can. Can I 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:55.880 grab your suitcase? 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.120 Missus Weddington, We've got a Mikey and call me, Sarah. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.720 This is Ron where are we exactly? 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.520 Mit, technically this is Grammarcy. We're like spitting distance from 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:06.320 Union Square? 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:11.720 Is it say it's New York, Sarah, I literally don't 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:12.240 know what that. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:18.760 Means, Sarah. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.240 Ron, it's my distinct pleasure to welcome you to the 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.840 Women's Institute and Abortion Referral Service. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.080 You'll be bunking upstairs on the fifth floor. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.760 Sorry about all the steps, and I mean sorry in 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:29.840 general that it's not more. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:32.240 It's fun. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.960 We're grateful to the Institute of putting us up at all. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.200 We definitely could not afford a hotel in this city. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.199 This used to be the switchboard room, still is, I guess, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:48.559 But we'll now also. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:54.040 Be your bedroom. But there's no bed, Sure there is, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:59.079 Ron right there. Those are sofa cushions, Mikey on the floor. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.120 The stuff into hanging out. 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:03.200 It's not the plaza. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:03.520 I know. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:08.079 It's an oven up here. My god, heat rises. 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.000 I guess they say it's going to be the hotest 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.160 summer since sixty six. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:17.440 You know what, it's fine, it's perfect, Ron, it's perfect. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.240 Why don't I let you two get settled. The bathroom 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.480 is on four. Then come downstairs and you can address 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.040 the troops Sarah. All the volunteers and staff were so 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.080 excited to get the call from your Dallas group. We 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.000 mostly work on outreach and policy advocacy here, but a 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.040 bunch of our volunteers are pre law and one els 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.199 we can't wait to be put to work on your case. Oh, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:42.120 careful of the window, it's pretty dusty. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.680 Mikey level with me. Would you live here? 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.360 Are you kidding me? I live in Alphabet City. This 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.199 is the plaza compared to my place. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:12:02.160 Will be so busy we won't even notice. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.679 Hi, Sarah, Come meet everyone. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.840 Hi, y'all here, take my chair, Sarah, Get. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.400 You some coffee, Sarah, I'm okay. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:10.840 Thanks. 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.840 I can't tell you how much Ron and I appreciate 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.440 all of you donating your time like this, especially in 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.880 this heat, and we're coming from Texas. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:20.679 You'll get used to it. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:21.520 No, you won't. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.560 Well, as I think you all already know. Our main 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.960 job here is to write the Supreme courpri for. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.560 Our case and to prepare Sarah for argument. 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:31.200 Thank you. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:31.560 Ron. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.760 Now, this would normally occupy a dozen lawyers working full 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.400 time for months at any major firm. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.319 We have four weeks and I'll be the only one 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:43.000 on it. Full time. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.920 We do have my gorgeous husband Ron over there though, 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.720 till he has to head back to Dallas. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.040 Now, who else do we have? 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.160 I'm Katie and this is Lucy. We're full time here 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.559 at the women's institutes. We want to help any way 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.080 we can, Sarah, anyway at all girls. 0:12:59.080 --> 0:12:59.960 That's fantastic. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.520 Thank you, and Chloe and George over there are our interns. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:05.920 We're all here for you, Sarah. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:07.120 Just tell us what to do. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.640 Ron, are you awake? 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:23.240 What do you think? 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.920 I think you're a hero overcoming in New York and 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:32.280 for sleeping on the floor. I want you to know 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.400 how much I appreciate it. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:36.920 It's not like I'm missing work. 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.120 You'll find another job soon. You're much smarter than I am. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:40.680 Ron. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:42.840 Another firm is going to snap you up. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.959 You'll see what the hell am I doing in New York? Sarah. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.679 You don't need me on this thing. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.120 Of course I do. You're a brilliant lawyer, much better 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:52.520 than I have. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.559 Stop saying that, would you? You know you don't believe it, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.319 and don't condescend to me in front of your interns. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:00.600 Embarrassing. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.520 I'm sorry I didn't realize I was. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:09.360 Let's just go to sleep. Okay, it's three am. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.880 All right, Mike. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.000 He said he saw the news tonight nixing out a 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.400 lot of abortions at all military hospitals. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.520 You think that was aimed at you? 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.280 I think it was aimed at Warrenberger. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:23.960 This damn heat. 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.320 You think if we were dropped off in Sarajevo we'd 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:27.400 be able to tell the difference. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.880 I was thinking it's more like Attika. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.720 At least they have recreation time there. We spend every 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:47.280 second working. Oh it's so damn hot. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:15:11.440 You sure can't do this in Attica. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:13.520 That's my point, Sarah. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.680 The heck it is wrong. Balls give the net and 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:16.320 you know it. 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.760 Fine cheat seventeen, serving eighteen. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.600 Why haven't we talked about fetus, right, Sarah? 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.800 Not now, Katie. I need to concentrate. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:25.720 This is your sixth game in a row. I think 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:26.440 you can handle it. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.440 I think better when I play ping pong. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:35.280 The fourteenth Amendment defines the person as anyone born or naturalized, says, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:36.200 so right here. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.440 My point seventeen surving nineteen. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.040 We should use this, Sarah. A fetus hasn't been born, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.120 so therefore has no rights under the Fourteenth Like literally 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.040 doesn't have the right to life, so killing a fetus 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:50.280 can't be a crime. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.920 But there have been toward cases where a fetus that 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.200 was injured in the womb has warded damages. 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:56.600 Yeah, but only after birth. 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.920 Ron look at this Keeler Verse Superior Court who assaulted 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.080 his pregnant wife killing the fetus was found not guilty 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.520 of murder. Fetuses don't have property or inheritance rights for 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.200 hundreds of years of common law. If fetus has never 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:11.320 had the rights of a person. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.600 We use a similar case in Dallas Mocky. But it's 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.360 a dangerous path. Do we really want the justices arguing 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.080 about when life begins? What if our opposition brings in 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.880 priests and rabbis and argue life begins a conception good backfire. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.080 That's insane. Holy men shouldn't have a say. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.120 The court is made up of flesh and blood, human beings, Katie, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.280 with their own religious and emotional baggage, their own families. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.080 I don't want them distracted by trying to figure out 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:34.040 when life begins. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.040 I kind of do. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.359 Imagine if they were forced to decide that life exists 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:43.360 like inside sperm, they'd literally have to call birth control murder. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.760 Forget that masturbation would be murder, which is something that 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:51.080 even the justices won't get behind. It's my serve, Sarah, 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.440 damn it h eighteen nineteen Sarah, we need to take 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:55.200 big swings. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.840 If we play it safe and don't take any chances, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.360 this decision will be super narrow and base. We have 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:01.760 the same way as that ping pong ball. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.280 We can't start expanding the argument. Guys, we're drowning and 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.879 research as it is. You're here for what eight hours 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.720 a week? We can only do what we. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:10.240 Have time for. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.560 I agree with Mikey, Sarah, you always play things to 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:14.480 your safe. 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:46.959 Oh, shut up, wrong, serve the ball. Hello, Linda and Sarah, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:47.840 Please don't hang up. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.080 I'm not a child, Sarah. I'm not gonna hang up 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:51.880 on you. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:52.919 You have to come to New York. 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.399 Linda, Okay, now I'm hanging up. 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:54.879 We need you. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:55.720 I need you. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.760 I'm the only person working full time on this case. 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.160 I'm losing my time with everyone. I'm botting Ron's head off. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.040 The interns here are God's sins, but they're like twelve 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:05.840 years old. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:06.879 So are you. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.040 Plus I've already beaten them all in ping pong, and 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:10.520 I need. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.119 Fresh met I have a job, Sarah, the firmal just 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.680 let me leave, and you wanted this right. 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.040 You gets to me the face of the case. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.640 How many times do I need to apologize? 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:21.400 Keep going? 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.800 I'll let you know I should. 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.199 Have acknowledged your role more, Linda, Okay, I don't know 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:26.680 what to say. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.680 I'm a jerk. I've never been interviewed before. I wasn't prepared. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:34.479 I can't do this without you. You know procedure and 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.560 statute a million times better than me. You're essential to 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.760 this case, and I promise to shout that from the 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:41.800 rafters every chance I get from here on out. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.480 Please, this case needs you. 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:46.719 You're getting warmer. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:49.280 Do you really believe all that? 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.520 Right now? Linda? 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.359 I swear to God, we're gonna lose, and we're gonna 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.040 lose big, and I'll not only have let all our 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.239 plaintiffs down, but I will have set the move went 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.119 back a decade. This case is going to force none 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.320 old men to decide women's rights for generations. So when 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:12.639 I fail, millions, hundreds of millions people keep telling me 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:13.399 I have the chance to. 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.120 Change the world, and I think they're right. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.400 But without your help, there's a very very, very good chance, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:20.679 it's going to be for the worst. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:23.440 I can be on the plane by. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:45.439 Day morning one. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.200 Why do you insist on driving yourself to court? Harry, 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.720 Louis would be happy to pick you up. You're right 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.520 on our way in Morning, Justice Burger, Justice Blackman, Morning 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.880 James James. You coming by for lunch today, Harry, eleven thirty. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.200 Yeah, let's have it in your chambers, all right. I'd 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.439 like to have a private talk about my workload. I 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.120 think I'm ready to take on a little more. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:07.760 Well, it's about time. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.040 I have a few ideas for cases that may help 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:11.480 me get my feet wet. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.600 If there's no clear majority, Harry, I'm assigning. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.199 You the abortion case. Excuse me. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.320 You've got the medical background from your time at Mayo. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:24.280 You're the obvious. 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:29.040 Choice, Lauren, I am, at best, the sixth most obvious choice. 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.280