1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: From iHeart Podcasts. This is Supreme The Battle for Row. 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Were Arguments eighteen Roll against. 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 3: Wade, starring Maya Hawk and William H. Macy. 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 4: When you are ready, mister Chief Justice, and may have 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 4: pleased the Court? 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: Episode four, Bright and Shiny object. 7 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 5: All right, Harry, what's the wager today? 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 6: No beat Warren. I've been running my clerks ragged lately. 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 6: I'm surprised you can get up and down the court 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 6: at all. 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 5: No is this softy show some heart, Stephen? 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 7: That was your rebound. 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 8: Should be us out there, old. 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 6: Buddy, for it wouldn't last ten seconds. I'm surprised that 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 6: clerks even allow us to watch. We make them nervous, 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 6: allow us. 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 8: This is my courthouse. 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 5: It sounded like an earthquake in my chambers the other day. 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 5: I'd like to throttle whoever came up with the idea 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 5: of putting hardwood and hoops on the roof of the 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 5: Supreme Court? Are Bill and Thirgod's still giving you. 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 8: Grief, That's one way to put it. 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 5: You made the right call on the Pentagon papers. Harry 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 5: Nixon had every right to block The Times from publishing 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 5: it was classified material. Don't let those libs get in 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 5: your head. 27 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 8: Too late for that. Shake it off. 28 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 9: Then I'm happy. 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 5: Nixon's happy. Well, actually Nixon's furious, but he's happy with 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 5: you. You did good. We'll rack up some points on the 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 5: abortion thing. 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 6: I doubt that, why Roe, Wade, Are you serious, Warren? 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 6: We only agreed to hear the case to decide who 34 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 6: has jurisdiction. It's not as if we'll be attempting to 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 6: Oh Warren, No, wake up, Harry. 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 5: Good pass Graham. But that's the way, Warren. 37 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,919 Speaker 6: Do not turn this case into something it's not, Road Wade. 38 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 6: Is simply about whether the matter is suitable for state 39 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 6: or federal court. 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 8: That's all. 41 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 6: It's about a local DA ignoring a lower court's orders. 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 6: It is most certainly not about us deciding the constitutionality 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 6: of abortion. 44 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 5: I don't know about you, Harry, but I wasn't put 45 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 5: on this court to sit on the sidelines on. 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 8: The big issues. 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 6: Nor were you put on it to start a civil war. 48 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 5: Don't be so melodramatic, Harry. 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 8: Oh no, of course not. 50 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 6: You're right because people are always so calm and polite 51 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 6: when disagreeing about abortion. 52 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 5: Relax, Harry. We have the advantage on the court now 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 5: for Nixon, men. Time to take our shot. 54 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: Madison Constitutional Mindstitute, How may I direct your call? 55 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 10: Hi? 56 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 11: I need to speak to mister Roy Lucas. Please, It's 57 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 11: Sarah Weddington. 58 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Missus Weddington. He's not available at the moment, 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: Madison Constitutional Lines. Dude, how may I direct your calls? Hi? 60 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: Cheryl? It's Sarah Weddington again? 61 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 11: Is he in? 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: I'm afraid mister Lucas is unavailable, Missus Weddington. I'll have 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: him call you back. 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 11: Mister Lucas needs to call me, Cheryl. The brief is 65 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 11: doing court in a few weeks and we haven't seen 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 11: a single draft. I've had my sections done for weeks. 67 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 11: Where are all the sections mister Lucas volunteered to take? 68 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 11: I need to pray. 69 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: I'll tell mister Lucas your call. 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: Okay? But that hello? 71 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 11: Hello Cheryl, Madison Constitutional Law Institute. 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: How my I direct your call? Oh? Sorry, Cheryl? That 73 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: was your line? Should I say mine now? 74 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 11: Or do you know it by heart? 75 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: Hello? Missus Weddington, mister Lucas. 76 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 3: Is not in ye talk to you tomorrow, Cheryl Weddington. 77 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: Residents, What can I do for you? Sarah? 78 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 11: Mister Lucas Hello, Thank goodness, I called so many times. 79 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: How are you? 80 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: What do you need, Sarah? 81 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 8: We're swamped over here. 82 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 11: I'm sorry to bother you, mister Lucas, but you said 83 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 11: you'd have your draft of the brief to show me 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 11: by now, by a month ago. 85 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: Actually, Sarah, honey, we have a lot of cases. 86 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 12: We can't just drop everything when you get anxious. 87 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 11: Oh I see, of course, it's just the brief is 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 11: due to the court soon. 89 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: So listen. We're on top of it, Sarah. 90 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 12: If you were here in New York, i'd be. 91 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: Able to show you. You're just gonna have to trust me. 92 00:04:58,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: I gotta right. 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 3: Wait, what how's it going? I mean, it's coming along. 94 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 11: I had some thoughts about the Eighth Amendment, Edward, how 95 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 11: focused on the numbers? 96 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: Crap? 97 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 12: We need to respond to Mount Sinai, Beth, take this 98 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 12: down to the esteem Board of Directors. 99 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 8: Prayer request to my most recent mister Lucas. 100 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt. 101 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 8: What was it, Cheryl? 102 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: Hello, mister Lucas. 103 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 8: Sarah, what are you doing in New York? 104 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 11: You said you could show me your draft of the 105 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 11: brief if I were here, So I'm here. 106 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 8: Mister Lucas, it's all right, Cheryl, give us a minute. 107 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 13: Yes, mister Lucas, missus Weddington, Cheryl. 108 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 8: So, Sarah, you came all the way up from Dallas. 109 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 11: First airplane ride of my life, followed by my first taxi. Honestly, 110 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 11: I don't know which was scarier. The city looks a 111 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 11: lot more like Midnight Cowboy than breakfast at Tiffany's. 112 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: If you ask me. 113 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 8: And now, it's not a good time. 114 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 11: I stopped by the Women's institute nearby, the one b 115 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 11: and deb said offered to help us. They told me 116 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 11: you haven't even reached out to them. Can I see 117 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 11: the brief please, mister Lucas. 118 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 12: Sarah, honey, relax, you had a long trip, and if 119 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 12: you've made an a point with Cheryl, I could see. 120 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 8: I've got back to backs all day. It's just not 121 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 8: a good time. 122 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: I won't be a bother. Mister Lucas. 123 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 11: Just PLoP me down in one of the many rooms 124 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 11: you got here and I'll just get to read. 125 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 8: Tell you what, let Cheryl know where you're staying. I'll 126 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 8: call you when I have something to show. 127 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: And when will that be? 128 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 11: The case is coming up on the Supreme Court's docket 129 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 11: in a few months. The brief is due. But I 130 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 11: know you know that because you already filed one extension, Sarah, 131 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 11: not that you bothered to tell me. I received a 132 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 11: letter about it in the mail. If we missed the 133 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 11: next deadline, mister Lucas, the court could throw the case out. 134 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 8: Relax. Remember I've done this before, Sarah. 135 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 11: You haven't, which is exactly why I can't stand up 136 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 11: there in front of the justices without a clear understanding 137 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 11: of our argument. I need the brief to lay it 138 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 11: all out. There's a million decisions to make, mister Lucas. 139 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 11: Do we use the Fourth Amendment the nine Some people 140 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 11: are saying we should use the thirteenth prohibited slavery. But 141 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 11: can I really stand up there and argue that force 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 11: and a woman to carry a pregnancy to term is 143 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 11: involuntary servitude? I need help now. How far along are 144 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 11: you and your team, Sarah. 145 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 8: We're going to start on the brief just as soon 146 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 8: as we can. 147 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 11: Holy hell, you haven't started yet. 148 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 12: Lower your voice, Sarah. Do you have any idea for 149 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 12: the workload around here? How many cases I have to 150 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 12: get through? How many are coming up before doors? 151 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: You have other abortion cases. 152 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 12: Loads I'm involved in every major abortion case in this country. 153 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 12: You know that the argument from a paper I wrote 154 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 12: at NYU is responsible for every reason I know. 155 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 11: I hope how many of your other cases are on 156 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 11: behalf of women seeking the procedure, and how many are 157 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 11: on behalf of wealthy hospitals and providers in need of counsel. 158 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 8: You're out of your depth, Sarah. 159 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 11: True words have never been spoken, mister Lucas. But it 160 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 11: also seems like your prioritizing case is paid for by 161 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 11: healthcare providers with deep pockets, as opposed to my case, 162 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 11: which pays nothing. 163 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 8: Welcome to reality, Sarah, Nice to have you here. 164 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: You made such a big show of it. 165 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 11: What was that you came all this way down to 166 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 11: Dallas acting like our big savior. 167 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: But you're just a little boy, mister Lucas. 168 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 11: You just want to collect as many bright and shiny 169 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 11: objects as you can. That's all this case is to you, 170 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 11: real bright, real shiny, and we gifted to you all 171 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 11: wrapped up in a bow, and now that you have it, 172 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 11: you're just a petulant child who leaves his presence around 173 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 11: to collect dust. My case is not going to be 174 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 11: one of your bright and shiny objects, mister Lucas. 175 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 12: Get off your high horse, Sarah. You don't care about 176 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 12: this case. You just wanted some legal experience. Helly, you 177 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 12: told me so yourself. This case could be about anything. 178 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 12: Don't try to pretend you're a true believer when you're 179 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 12: every bit as ambitious as I am. Enjoy yourself while 180 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 12: you're here, Sarah. You're twenty five years old and you're 181 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 12: in New York for the first time. Have some fun 182 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 12: taking a show. The Prisoner of Second Avenue is wonderful. 183 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 12: Go see the sights and then go on back to 184 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 12: Dallas and I will get you the pages just as 185 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 12: soon as I can. 186 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 3: I have another idea. 187 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 11: Actually, may I make a long distance call? 188 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: Please? Ron, I need you, darling. How soon can you 189 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 3: get up here? 190 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 8: Now hold on a second, Sarah. 191 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 13: Soon, mister Lucas, your services are no longer required. 192 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 7: Mister and Missus Weddington. I'm Mikey Eisenberg. We spoke on 193 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 7: the phone. I work here at the Women's Institute. 194 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: Of course, mikey Aha. 195 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 7: We're excited to help you. However we can. Can I 196 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 7: grab your suitcase? 197 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 11: Missus Weddington, We've got a Mikey and call me, Sarah. 198 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: This is Ron where are we exactly? 199 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 7: Mit, technically this is Grammarcy. We're like spitting distance from 200 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 7: Union Square? 201 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 11: Is it say it's New York, Sarah, I literally don't 202 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 11: know what that. 203 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 7: Means, Sarah. 204 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 14: Ron, it's my distinct pleasure to welcome you to the 205 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 14: Women's Institute and Abortion Referral Service. 206 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 7: You'll be bunking upstairs on the fifth floor. 207 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 10: Sorry about all the steps, and I mean sorry in 208 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 10: general that it's not more. 209 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: It's fun. 210 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 11: We're grateful to the Institute of putting us up at all. 211 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 11: We definitely could not afford a hotel in this city. 212 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 14: This used to be the switchboard room, still is, I guess, 213 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 14: But we'll now also. 214 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 10: Be your bedroom. But there's no bed, Sure there is, 215 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 10: Ron right there. Those are sofa cushions, Mikey on the floor. 216 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 8: The stuff into hanging out. 217 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 10: It's not the plaza. 218 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 8: I know. 219 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 10: It's an oven up here. My god, heat rises. 220 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 14: I guess they say it's going to be the hotest 221 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 14: summer since sixty six. 222 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 11: You know what, it's fine, it's perfect, Ron, it's perfect. 223 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 14: Why don't I let you two get settled. The bathroom 224 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 14: is on four. Then come downstairs and you can address 225 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 14: the troops Sarah. All the volunteers and staff were so 226 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 14: excited to get the call from your Dallas group. We 227 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 14: mostly work on outreach and policy advocacy here, but a 228 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 14: bunch of our volunteers are pre law and one els 229 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 14: we can't wait to be put to work on your case. Oh, 230 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 14: careful of the window, it's pretty dusty. 231 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 8: Mikey level with me. Would you live here? 232 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 14: Are you kidding me? I live in Alphabet City. This 233 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 14: is the plaza compared to my place. 234 00:11:54,280 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 11: Will be so busy we won't even notice. 235 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 7: Hi, Sarah, Come meet everyone. 236 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: Hi, y'all here, take my chair, Sarah, Get. 237 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 7: You some coffee, Sarah, I'm okay. 238 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: Thanks. 239 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 11: I can't tell you how much Ron and I appreciate 240 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 11: all of you donating your time like this, especially in 241 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 11: this heat, and we're coming from Texas. 242 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 8: You'll get used to it. 243 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 4: No, you won't. 244 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 11: Well, as I think you all already know. Our main 245 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 11: job here is to write the Supreme courpri for. 246 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 8: Our case and to prepare Sarah for argument. 247 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: Thank you. 248 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 13: Ron. 249 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 11: Now, this would normally occupy a dozen lawyers working full 250 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 11: time for months at any major firm. 251 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: We have four weeks and I'll be the only one 252 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: on it. Full time. 253 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 11: We do have my gorgeous husband Ron over there though, 254 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 11: till he has to head back to Dallas. 255 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: Now, who else do we have? 256 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: I'm Katie and this is Lucy. We're full time here 257 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 4: at the women's institutes. We want to help any way 258 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 4: we can, Sarah, anyway at all girls. 259 00:12:59,080 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: That's fantastic. 260 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 14: Thank you, and Chloe and George over there are our interns. 261 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 7: We're all here for you, Sarah. 262 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 8: Just tell us what to do. 263 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 13: Ron, are you awake? 264 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 8: What do you think? 265 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 11: I think you're a hero overcoming in New York and 266 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 11: for sleeping on the floor. I want you to know 267 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 11: how much I appreciate it. 268 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 8: It's not like I'm missing work. 269 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: You'll find another job soon. You're much smarter than I am. 270 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 13: Ron. 271 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: Another firm is going to snap you up. 272 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 8: You'll see what the hell am I doing in New York? Sarah. 273 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 8: You don't need me on this thing. 274 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 13: Of course I do. You're a brilliant lawyer, much better 275 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 13: than I have. 276 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 15: Stop saying that, would you? You know you don't believe it, 277 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 15: and don't condescend to me in front of your interns. 278 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 8: Embarrassing. 279 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 13: I'm sorry I didn't realize I was. 280 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 15: Let's just go to sleep. Okay, it's three am. 281 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: All right, Mike. 282 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 11: He said he saw the news tonight nixing out a 283 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 11: lot of abortions at all military hospitals. 284 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 8: You think that was aimed at you? 285 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 13: I think it was aimed at Warrenberger. 286 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 8: This damn heat. 287 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 11: You think if we were dropped off in Sarajevo we'd 288 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 11: be able to tell the difference. 289 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 8: I was thinking it's more like Attika. 290 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 11: At least they have recreation time there. We spend every 291 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 11: second working. Oh it's so damn hot. 292 00:14:53,760 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 13: You sure can't do this in Attica. 293 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 8: That's my point, Sarah. 294 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: The heck it is wrong. Balls give the net and 295 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: you know it. 296 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 8: Fine cheat seventeen, serving eighteen. 297 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 4: Why haven't we talked about fetus, right, Sarah? 298 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: Not now, Katie. I need to concentrate. 299 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 4: This is your sixth game in a row. I think 300 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 4: you can handle it. 301 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 3: I think better when I play ping pong. 302 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: The fourteenth Amendment defines the person as anyone born or naturalized, says, 303 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: so right here. 304 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: My point seventeen surving nineteen. 305 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 4: We should use this, Sarah. A fetus hasn't been born, 306 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 4: so therefore has no rights under the Fourteenth Like literally 307 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: doesn't have the right to life, so killing a fetus 308 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 4: can't be a crime. 309 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 15: But there have been toward cases where a fetus that 310 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 15: was injured in the womb has warded damages. 311 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, but only after birth. 312 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 14: Ron look at this Keeler Verse Superior Court who assaulted 313 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 14: his pregnant wife killing the fetus was found not guilty 314 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 14: of murder. Fetuses don't have property or inheritance rights for 315 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 14: hundreds of years of common law. If fetus has never 316 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 14: had the rights of a person. 317 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 11: We use a similar case in Dallas Mocky. But it's 318 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 11: a dangerous path. Do we really want the justices arguing 319 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 11: about when life begins? What if our opposition brings in 320 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 11: priests and rabbis and argue life begins a conception good backfire. 321 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 4: That's insane. Holy men shouldn't have a say. 322 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 11: The court is made up of flesh and blood, human beings, Katie, 323 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 11: with their own religious and emotional baggage, their own families. 324 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 11: I don't want them distracted by trying to figure out 325 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 11: when life begins. 326 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: I kind of do. 327 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,359 Speaker 4: Imagine if they were forced to decide that life exists 328 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: like inside sperm, they'd literally have to call birth control murder. 329 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 16: Forget that masturbation would be murder, which is something that 330 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 16: even the justices won't get behind. It's my serve, Sarah, 331 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 16: damn it h eighteen nineteen Sarah, we need to take 332 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 16: big swings. 333 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 14: If we play it safe and don't take any chances, 334 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 14: this decision will be super narrow and base. We have 335 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 14: the same way as that ping pong ball. 336 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 11: We can't start expanding the argument. Guys, we're drowning and 337 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 11: research as it is. You're here for what eight hours 338 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 11: a week? We can only do what we. 339 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: Have time for. 340 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 15: I agree with Mikey, Sarah, you always play things to 341 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 15: your safe. 342 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 11: Oh, shut up, wrong, serve the ball. Hello, Linda and Sarah, 343 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 11: Please don't hang up. 344 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 17: I'm not a child, Sarah. I'm not gonna hang up 345 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 17: on you. 346 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: You have to come to New York. 347 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 17: Linda, Okay, now I'm hanging up. 348 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 11: We need you. 349 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: I need you. 350 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 11: I'm the only person working full time on this case. 351 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 11: I'm losing my time with everyone. I'm botting Ron's head off. 352 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 11: The interns here are God's sins, but they're like twelve 353 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 11: years old. 354 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 3: So are you. 355 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 11: Plus I've already beaten them all in ping pong, and 356 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 11: I need. 357 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 17: Fresh met I have a job, Sarah, the firmal just 358 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 17: let me leave, and you wanted this right. 359 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: You gets to me the face of the case. 360 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 3: How many times do I need to apologize? 361 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 17: Keep going? 362 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: I'll let you know I should. 363 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 11: Have acknowledged your role more, Linda, Okay, I don't know 364 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 11: what to say. 365 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 3: I'm a jerk. I've never been interviewed before. I wasn't prepared. 366 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 11: I can't do this without you. You know procedure and 367 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 11: statute a million times better than me. You're essential to 368 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 11: this case, and I promise to shout that from the 369 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 11: rafters every chance I get from here on out. 370 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: Please, this case needs you. 371 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 17: You're getting warmer. 372 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 15: Do you really believe all that? 373 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: Right now? Linda? 374 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 11: I swear to God, we're gonna lose, and we're gonna 375 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 11: lose big, and I'll not only have let all our 376 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 11: plaintiffs down, but I will have set the move went 377 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 11: back a decade. This case is going to force none 378 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 11: old men to decide women's rights for generations. So when 379 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 11: I fail, millions, hundreds of millions people keep telling me 380 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 11: I have the chance to. 381 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 3: Change the world, and I think they're right. 382 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 11: But without your help, there's a very very, very good chance, 383 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 11: it's going to be for the worst. 384 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: I can be on the plane by. 385 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 18: Day morning one. 386 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 5: Why do you insist on driving yourself to court? Harry, 387 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 5: Louis would be happy to pick you up. You're right 388 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 5: on our way in Morning, Justice Burger, Justice Blackman, Morning 389 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 5: James James. You coming by for lunch today, Harry, eleven thirty. 390 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, let's have it in your chambers, all right. I'd 391 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 6: like to have a private talk about my workload. I 392 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 6: think I'm ready to take on a little more. 393 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 5: Well, it's about time. 394 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 6: I have a few ideas for cases that may help 395 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 6: me get my feet wet. 396 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 5: If there's no clear majority, Harry, I'm assigning. 397 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 8: You the abortion case. Excuse me. 398 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 5: You've got the medical background from your time at Mayo. 399 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 5: You're the obvious. 400 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 6: Choice, Lauren, I am, at best, the sixth most obvious choice. 401 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 6: I haven't written a single major decision yet. 402 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 5: You just said you wanted more responsibility. Here, I'm handing 403 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 5: it to you. 404 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 7: You're handing me a live grenade. 405 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 6: You want my first major decision on this court to 406 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 6: be settling the abortion controversy. 407 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 7: You're out of your mind. 408 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 5: Relax, Harry, you'll do fine. 409 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 6: They'll all resent it. And me, Bill Whizzer third Good. Anyway, 410 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 6: the senior justice in the majority gets to assign the case, 411 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 6: it may not be yours to give out. 412 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 5: Let me worry about third Good, Bill and the others. 413 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 5: You both know which way this case is gonna come down. 414 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 6: You have a crystal ball, Warren. We haven't even heard 415 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 6: the case yet or read the briefs. I have no 416 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 6: earthly idea which way we'll. Don't be a child, Harry, 417 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: what's this really about, Warren? 418 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 9: You'll do fine, Harry. 419 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 8: I thought you could use a refail. 420 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 11: Ron. You're the greatest, Thank you baby, Such a clear 421 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 11: nat you can see all the way to the Statue 422 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 11: of Liberty. 423 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 13: It really does look like a little village, doesn't it if. 424 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 15: You ignore the sirens, burglar alarms, constant Honkins. Sure, Mikey 425 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 15: tell you a stewardess was murdered around the corner a 426 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 15: few nights ago. 427 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 13: You're gonna move, Ron. 428 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 11: Sorry, I'm no expert, but I bet this is the 429 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 11: best breeze in New York right now? 430 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 8: What do you think I'm leaving, Sarah All? 431 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 3: This is for us, Ron, You know that, right? 432 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 11: I mean, you know how easy it'd be for me 433 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 11: to stay at my dead end job for the next 434 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 11: forty years. 435 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: Just stay there and finish that sentence. 436 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 15: Ron, stay in a dead end job and stay married 437 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 15: to me, that's a nightmare, I. 438 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 13: Of course not. 439 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 3: How can you even you. 440 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 15: Think I've enjoyed having you boss me around in front 441 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 15: of these interns. 442 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 8: Sarah, you know how. 443 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 15: Often my friends rasp me about my famous independent wife. 444 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 8: Do you know one other man who would allow his 445 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 8: wife to do this? 446 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 11: No? 447 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 3: I don't. 448 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 8: Well, then why the hell should I? 449 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 11: Because I'm drowning wrong. I don't know what the hell 450 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 11: I'm doing. I pretend to be confident because I know 451 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 11: I should be as the lead attorney, But every moment 452 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 11: with these interns, I'm terrified they're going to realize I'm 453 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 11: a fraud. God Roy Lucas was supposed to help us 454 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 11: figure all this out. Instead, I'm the one that has 455 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 11: to decide what constitutional argument to pay abortion to me, 456 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 11: the oldest twenty five year old on the planet. I'm 457 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 11: in so far over my head I can't even see 458 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 11: the damn sky. And staying in my dead end job 459 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 11: and staying married to you isn't the night mare? 460 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: Wrong? 461 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 8: No? What is? 462 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 3: What if I'm wrong? 463 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 8: What if you're wrong about what, Sarah? 464 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 11: What if life really does start a conception? What if 465 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 11: everything they're arguing is absolutely right and everything I'm arguing 466 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 11: is absolutely wrong. If somehow we pull this off, if 467 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 11: by some miracle we win this thing and I'm dead 468 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 11: wrong about all of it, well, I guess that make 469 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 11: me responsible for more murders than just about anybody in history. 470 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 11: So my question wrong is what if I'm wrong? Please 471 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 11: don't leave. 472 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: What do we think about privacy? Katie? 473 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 4: Here are the Women's Institute. I think we're lucky. There 474 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 4: are doors on the bathroom stalls. 475 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 3: Sarah, very funny. 476 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 11: Look at these pages. The Court has been deciding privacy 477 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 11: cases for years. They just don't call it that. 478 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: What do you mean? What do they call it? 479 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 11: Just as Brandeis wrote in a Descent about forty years 480 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 11: ago that people have the right to be left alone, 481 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 11: the abortion laws are the opposite of that, aren't they. 482 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: They're so invasive. 483 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: But if Brandeis wrote it in a dissenting opinion. 484 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: It's still in the record, still precedent. 485 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: If the current court even cares, there's four next and 486 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 4: cronies on there. 487 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 11: Now, cronies who are still bound by the justices that 488 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 11: came before. Look at this Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 489 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 11: olm said vus mayor of v Nebraska. All rely on 490 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 11: an unstated, unwritten right to privacy. 491 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 4: Okay, but I'd feel better if it was like actually stated. 492 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: We take what we can get. Katie. There's an implicit 493 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: rat to privacy in the nonth Amendment. 494 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 4: Again, I'd feel better if it was explicit. I guess 495 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 4: I just worry that if we rely on a right 496 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 4: that's not actually written into the Constitution, even if we win, 497 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 4: critics will have an easy target. 498 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 3: So what's the alternative? The equal protection clause? 499 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 4: Why not restricting abortion definitely impeded? Shender equality? 500 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: What is wrong with that? 501 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 17: What's wrong with it is that Sarah wants to win. 502 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: Linda, Oh my god, you're here. 503 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 17: And nine men will never agree that de nine women 504 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 17: abortions has anything to do with equality. I can give 505 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 17: you a week before my firm sends an assassin to 506 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 17: hunt me down. 507 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 11: In this neighborhood. Who'd even notice me, Katie, our truly 508 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 11: brilliant intern. 509 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 17: A Hi, Katie, where's wrong? He came up from Dallas 510 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 17: with you, right. 511 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 10: Sir Sarah? 512 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 8: Sarah? 513 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: Micky ahead let me introduce you to Linda Costs. He 514 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 3: screwed us, Mackie. 515 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 14: I'm sorry, but he took us behind the shed. Now 516 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 14: hould our pants down. 517 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: In calmed out? Tell us what you're talking about? 518 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 14: And an appearance paper has to be filed with the 519 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 14: Supreme Court before the trial. 520 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: Okay, fun, we'll file it. 521 00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 8: So you're pal. 522 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 7: Roy Lukeucas already filed it himself. 523 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 11: Sarah, I don't understand what did mister Lucas file exactly? 524 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 7: He visited himself as counsel, just himself. 525 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's not allowed to do that. 526 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 10: What's allowed? 527 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 7: There is no allowed. 528 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 14: He did it. He stole our case, Sarah, far As 529 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 14: the Supreme Court's concerned. Roy Lucas is lead counsel in 530 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 14: the matter of Roe versus Wade. End of story. Sarah, 531 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 14: you're not even going to be permitted to speak in court. 532 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 17: Landa looks legitimate, Sarah. 533 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 7: We gotta fight this immediately. 534 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 4: Mike, he's right. Who do we know what the Supreme 535 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 4: Court that can help maybe a clerk or no. 536 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 3: You know what, It's fine, mister Lucas is more experienced. 537 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 8: What how can you say that, Sarah? 538 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 11: You can't be serious? Lucas has worked on this level before, Linda, 539 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 11: we haven't. I've only stood before Judge a single solitary time, 540 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 11: and we're struggling. 541 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: Let mister Lucas figure out which amendments to use. 542 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 11: I know it's disappointing, but maybe this is the right outcome. 543 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 10: What are you saying, Sarah? 544 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 8: You just want to quit? 545 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 10: This was all for nothing, Sarah. 546 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 3: This is what Lucas does. 547 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 4: It's his m We can't just let him win, Sarah win. 548 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 3: This isn't a game. We do what's best for the case. 549 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 11: Can you all honestly say I should be up there 550 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 11: answering mister Thurgood Freaking Marshall's questions, William Brennan's on a 551 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 11: case is important? Is this a case that can affect 552 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 11: this many millions of people? Can you all honestly say 553 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 11: that I'm the best person. 554 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 9: For the job. 555 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: Yes, well I can't. I'm sorry, Supreme. 556 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: The Battle Farah from iHeart Podcasts created and written by 557 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: Aaron Tracy, directed by Rachel Winter, starring Maya Hawk, William H. 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