WEBVTT - "FINGERED IN THE WAVES!" W/ Miles Gray and Jerry Trainor 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.000 Welcome to Will You Accept This Rose? A production of 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:12.639 I Heart Radio. Oh wow, I've never been so horny 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:18.240 on a Tuesday. It's midday. I've just spent three hours 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:24.320 of the mechanic. I got my tires rog I guess 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.840 the doughnut off my front start really working out for me? 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:35.040 Are so good? I'm crazy visit taking my temperature, looking 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:41.080 at my oxygen levels, washing my hands. Hello, and welcome 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.720 to Will You Accept This Rose? My name is Art Marine, 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.879 and I am coming to you from my garage in 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:50.640 Los Angeles, California. That is, quite honestly not starting to 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.080 smell that good. I could not be more delighted that 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.240 it is not Monday night, and that it is not 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:02.120 a seventeen hour weird recap marathon with Chris Harrison and 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:06.920 his romata in like study with his disinterested son. But 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.080 I am happy the upshot. If that is the price 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.520 that I have to pay to spend the afternoon with 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.600 these wonderful misfits, then so be it. Signed me up 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.720 with us. Today is a man who begrudgingly put on 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.720 his Rookie of the Year T shirt that I paid 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.480 a hundred and seventeen thousand dollars for during this pandemic 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.560 that is made out of cactus, as he insists, and 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.080 it has his name on the back. You might know 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.800 him from I Carly, You might know him from Drake 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.560 and Josh. You definitely do not know him from the 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.240 show that we were on called Still the King, but 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.680 you probably have known him and loved him on this 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.560 podcast as our Rookie of the Year, ladies and gentlemen. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:55.680 Jerry Trainer. Yes, this shirt that you bought me that 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.800 says Rookie of the Year on the front and my 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.640 name Jerry on the back is made from pure hyena 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:10.240 for and porcupine quills. Yeah, worth every penny of that dollars. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.520 And you said it's like a size. I ordered you 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.440 a large, and and I really discussed like what size 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.920 to get for you, And this is like maternity large. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:25.359 This is this is large for three humans. If you 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:29.320 wore that to a bar, many months would it take 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:34.680 you to get laid infinity months? Well, that is by 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.480 the way, I'm really going to earn these Rookie of 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.880 the Year stripes tonight because, as you may or may 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.320 not remember, I've never seen The Bachelorette, and this, to 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.080 me was the best season of the Bachelorette. Ever, very interesting, 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.800 very interesting. Okay, this was a great season the Bachelrette 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.160 and with us we have a new rookie. There is 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:58.200 a rookie to be guided by the Rookie of the Year. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.400 If he's not careful, he might have a Rookie Rookie 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.800 of the Year cactus shirt coming his ray with his 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.160 name on the back. He spends his days normally not 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.680 in the pandemic, side by side with one Tanne hose Na. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:17.799 He is a daily podcaster on The Daily Zite Guys, 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.839 also on I Heart Radio. He also has a sort 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.160 of a similar sister podcast to us called The four 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.200 twenty Day Fiance. If you like Pott and you like 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.960 the ninety Day Fiance, you're going to enjoy this podcast. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:35.080 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the franchise both of The Bachelor, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.840 the Bachelor at Bachelor in Paradise, but welcome to the 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:45.960 will you accept this Rose family? Miles Gray, What a journey, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:50.440 What a journey. I've come home now. It's an honor. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.120 Thank you so much for having me. Well. I have 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.680 to say the only upshot of these tortuous, long, sort 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.080 of one off episodes is that we get to lure 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.080 people in who don't necessarily watch the franchise and just 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.200 basically bribe them, Will you come play with us? You 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:07.120 only need to watch one horrible long night. So, um 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.040 and Katie, you're also here. Anna, here you are with Miles. 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.920 You guys do co host? Is? I know? Did you 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.320 dress up for him today? I did not, wearing the 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.040 same outfit from when we were recording together earlier. Yeah, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.240 I just took off the hoodie I was wearing when 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.160 we were talking about a couple of hours ago. So 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.480 I didn't do much either. Although I am seeing a 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.760 new dimension of Anna's home through her zoom call seed. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.880 When I see her, she's producer and not on Mike 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.960 all the time. So I see the kitchen and now 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:39.440 I'm in her closet. It's my closet because all my 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:44.839 things that should be in my closet are out now. Yes, Jerry, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.360 I was gonna say, there's a fifty fifty chance that's 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:52.200 either actually a keyboard or it's a keyboard necktie. I 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.919 can't tell. No, it's it's a it's a very expensive 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.040 keyboard that shouldn't be up against the wall. Uh and 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.120 a ki. Yeah, we have we have multiple sizes, so 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:03.760 we have a tiny one on the desk and then 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.839 the big one hangs off to the side. I like 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.560 to think that Zach was going to wear a giant 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:13.680 wide whale key tar ties when they get sexy for 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.599 like Valentine's Day, he puts on a gigantic, extremely wide 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:23.200 tie and nothing else. Yeah, she's doing it, She's doing it. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:26.159 He comes out and he's like, are you ready? And 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.400 he puts like a little bow around his neck and 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.000 like a giant a little bow around it, like a 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.800 giant key tar tie on and then just things just 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.440 like just naturally happened. Now, um Myles, will you please 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.359 is this? Have you ever watched The Bachelor? I you know, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.520 it's like one of those things where I know it's 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.640 I know it's cultural relevance and the pop culture power 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.840 that it wields over people's consciousness. Um, I've seen like 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:57.160 things here and there isolated. Prior to working with Tanna, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.640 I will respect her name on this part of the 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.839 Earth and new to the podcast. Her name is Anna. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:08.039 But one summer she was dedicated to hiking and tanning. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.000 There was like a real like she had like a 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.200 whole bikini wardrobe. There was like eight eight bikinis, and 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.000 she was so tann that we just started calling her Tanna. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.960 And now I got her a nameplate necklaces Tanna. But 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.840 you know, of course skin damage happened and now I 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.520 am now no longer, so she's skinned comage. Okay, sorry, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.200 go ahead, mild I interrupted you so um yeah, I 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.520 mean prior to that obviously, working with Tanna, it's like 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:37.120 I know so much by osmosis because without even anyone asking, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:44.800 she'll be like, I cannot believe it popped over, what 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.159 are you? And most of the time I'm like, okay, 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:52.159 I'll bite what okay the bachelor and I go okay um. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:53.760 And And before that, I used to do the thing 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.159 where I would get drunk and watch the first episode 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.039 of a season like every couple of years because I 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.160 was new. That was the messiest part. But this is 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.120 my first time like understanding the arc of a season. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.520 To me, the first night is the worst night because 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:09.800 you just have to like suck, like you don't know 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.880 who everybody is yet, like it gets interesting like a 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:18.240 few weeks in Jerry. Yeah, overall, what did you think 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:26.000 of your first bachelorette experience? Oh? I had uh. Okay. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.680 I was watching with some friends men and women, and 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.880 I was like, I have a thought about the Bachelorette 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:39.480 that could be considered controversial. Do I mention this? And 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.960 they're like, yeah, because they agreed in a sense, we 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.480 want you to be authentic with us. Jerry, Okay, but 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.280 you know, yeah, we live in charged up time. We 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:56.920 can cut this out. Okay, does the bachelorette feel more 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.600 I'm gonna use the word I'm not going to use 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.920 the word natural. I mean to use the word authentic 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:09.080 and experience, a condensed dating experience for a woman to 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.480 be pursued by many men than a man to be 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:17.360 pursued by many women, in the sense that that's sort 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.360 of how the dynamic is in the world. If there's 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:26.400 this diamond in the rough woman she kind of gets 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.680 to pick and choose from the men. But that's very 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:35.400 rare I think with men that they have many women 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.679 pursuing a guy. I mean, I appreciate that actually makes 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.360 me feel good that that's what you think, because in 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.840 my world, like in my operating on planet Earth as 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.360 a female, I think so often the guys sort of 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.400 have the upper hand, and the guys that like if 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:58.800 there's an eligible, handsome, cool, nice guy who's handsome, you know, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.199 I feel like there's a flock of ladies to me. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.480 I don't know. And what, Katie, what do you think? Yeah, 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:07.959 I agree with you or and I always thought it 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.040 was like the guys. I don't know if it's because 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:17.880 women maybe feel a little bit more empathy, you know, 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.200 I don't know. It does feel like men usually have 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.080 women flocking to them, but it's maybe because each sex 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.360 has their own way of saying And I'm like, I 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.360 feel like no one. I mean, You're probably right, it 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:33.880 probably is just our own individual you know, objective, subjective. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.280 What do you think, Well, I think The Bachelor maybe 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.719 reflects and I'm gonna get heavy here a little bit 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.360 more of like the nature of patriarchy culturally, that the 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.200 man is the focal point and that women are tending 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.240 to this man or pursuing this man. And I think 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.280 that I think that reflects just sort of the sort 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.160 of gender dynamics in this country or the culture. But 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.559 at the same time, like to what Jerry saying, is that, like, 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.840 you know, women are able to choose the men that 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.000 they want to be with. If you're a guy, choosing 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:08.920 like them. I don't know, Like it's more in the 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:14.040 sense that I feel like there is more, Uh, there's yeah, 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.320 I don't know. Like I've always found myself pursue. I 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.679 found myself in the position I saw on the screen 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.640 of me pursuing a girl with like eight other dudes. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.839 That's That's the thing is I feel like a guy 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:31.760 the individual males experience is that we find a woman 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:37.000 and we're after that, Whereas I feel like women's experience 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.400 and I'm talking about their life dating, you know what 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:45.040 I mean, Like this is a condensed version of real life. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.040 Women kind of can pick and choose and they can 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.040 date this guy and then but this guy is kind 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.400 of pursuing them over a year and they can really 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.800 hone and find the one that fits in their life, 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.920 where I don't think that it exists for dudes. I 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.520 love That's where I love having you guys on the podcast. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.839 I love getting that point of like, I love hearing 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.320 it actually makes me hopeful to hear that because I 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:13.720 think as a late bloomer, I certainly always felt in 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.960 like less than like you know what I mean, It 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.480 took me along. I never felt like the one that 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:24.120 was getting pursued. You're a diamond in the rough. Thank you, 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.560 and I would win when you wear that T shirt. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:33.640 Absolutely not you wear a keytar, a giant key tar tie. Yes, 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.880 I would because I know what you like. Before we 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.560 get started, I also want to say there was huge 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:45.480 news in the Bachelor franchise this week. Finally after forty 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:50.040 fucking seasons. And what's interesting is there's twenty five seasons 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:54.160 of male of Bachelor's and fifteen seasons of Bachelorettes, which 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.680 I don't understand how that adds up. But I don't 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.920 get that they started the Bachelorette like years later. I mean, okay, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.959 so that's insane to me. But so after forty seasons 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.720 of the whole franchise, they finally cast their first black 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:13.120 male lead, which is appalling that it took forty seasons. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.720 I'm so excited that they finally did. And there is 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.600 a an Instagram account that please can that has that 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.720 there's so much more work to be done. There's this 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.560 Instagram account called batched at Batched Diversity. We talked about 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.480 it last week, but that's so that there's actually is 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.720 more real change within the system that they are asking 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.000 for thirty five percent of all of the contestants to 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.560 be black, indigenous people of color. That they want there 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.760 to be equitable screen time, They want the people on 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.600 the crew to be a more like a diverse crew, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.640 that people are paid more equitably, that people have mental 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.720 health resources to help with being so like, just so 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.360 that it's not just like a one and done, like okay, okay, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.680 you know here, Okay, you get that, Like with Rachel Lindsay, 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.920 they gave us like there was one amazing bachelorette and 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.040 then they went back to all like these white pageant queens, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.760 like it would be such a better franchise if it 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.440 actually looked like the world, and so please go to 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.600 bache diversity. They sign their petition, tell your friends spread 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.360 the words so that like that they don't just do 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.360 lip service like that, they actually make changes. Anna, Katie, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.520 do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.640 there was kind of a weird thing where I almost 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.360 wish they had waited to reveal that there's going to 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.480 be a black bachelor, like around the time where the 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.880 bachelor would normally be announced, because right now it felt like, oh, okay, 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.600 well here's a black bachelor, and you're like Okay, yeah, 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.679 I know, like cool, but like very weirdly opportunistic, and 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.599 it feels like I don't know if this is genuine 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.160 until I see the progress being made, Like I will 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.240 know how genuinely are when you when I see it 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:57.080 in the casting, Like if you if you take Matt 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:02.199 James and you give him white women, I'll be like, Okay, well, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.080 there you go. That was a one time thing that 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.320 you were just giving it because you felt societal pressure. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.320 Let's see who they cast for Claire by the way 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.400 that it seems like they can't get anybody, but like, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.360 let's see what they actually cast for Claire, Katie. Do 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.800 you I listened to that podcast that you sent of Rachel, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.520 Lindsay and Beta, which was very it was really interesting, 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.400 Bachelor Happy. Rachel has been doing a bunch of podcasts 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.760 and they've all been fascinating. Um. But yeah, no, I 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.040 think I agree with Ana that until we see who 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.560 they're casting in the show, because I mean, it just 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.240 needs to be way more diverse in general, like for 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.200 like you said, for Claire's, for Matts, for everybody, and 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.800 behind the scenes too, they mentioned that it's very white, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.880 so you know, until they just make a change overall 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.440 amongst the entire franchise. You know, that's what I want 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.120 to see. And then I guess we'll know if they 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.440 actually took it seriously or not. Yeah, is like the 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.960 way the show works. Like when they're vetting somebody to 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.400 be the Bachelor or bachelorette, they obviously are taking into 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.440 account their preferences for dating. So isn't there on some 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.000 level two they should be like I'd imagine people are 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.240 answering like, oh, I don't know how comfortable I am 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.840 dating out of my race, and they're still like, yeah, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.120 that someone will consider for the show, versus someone who's 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.040 that already, like someone who's already more inclusive in how 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.440 they would date already landed show naturally to begin diversifying, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.760 That's what Rachel Lizzie was saying and whatever. And it's 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.800 like that you don't want to have seen somebody's very first, 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.480 you know, like like oh, okay, this is my first, 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.440 this is a straight you know, like just have somebody 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.880 like this is how they just cast. There's so many 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:31.760 people to pick from, like cast somebody that truly my 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.880 My my feeling on that is, why don't Why isn't 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.400 the contestant involved in the casting because I think even 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.680 just the superficial headshot level, you're like yes or no 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.160 they are. I don't think so because usually usually a 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.600 lot of people are cast before they even announced the 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.280 person it's going to be, because they are constantly casting 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.480 and then they you know, and then they I think 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.240 that person then just shifts their attention to like a 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.760 Peter or something. But I think with Claire and Matt, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.600 these are going to be the first two that like 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.680 people know who they are because they were announced a 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.200 while ago, and now because of the pandemic, I think 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.000 the casting system has you know, it's it's the time 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.560 span is a lot more than usual, so like people 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.720 can actually you know, and also on top of that, 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.440 they need to fucking vet these people. I don't want 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.080 another Lee showing up with his racist tweets on Rachel's season, 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.880 like how dare you book a racist or cast a 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:34.680 racist on the only female black bat Shurettes fucking season? Yeah, 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:38.240 And his tweets came out and like like they then 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.800 the franchise didn't she had to speak out, Like the 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.600 franchise didn't apologize. They made her call him out. Mike 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.000 Flice Mike Flice, the guy who created this as Heidi 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:53.080 Flace's brother. Um, and he's been like accused of domestic 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.400 battery and so like, it's not a great guy, So 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:02.200 welcome to the fantise alco calling accepted the rose. I 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.360 do feel like we'll see the proof that. I feel 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.560 like the real proof will be in the pudding of 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.480 like Claire's season of like all right, if you're really 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.760 saying you want to change the show, and not like okay, okay, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.119 look you get a black bachelor, like al right, so 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.720 start now, you know when we start with the very 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:23.479 next season, his Claire season. So so let's see. Let's also, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.240 can I just say one more thing. I watched that 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.479 Good Morning America special where they introduced Matt, and I 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.119 did not not notice that they parade Okay, he's a 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.120 black man, but his mom is white, and they paraded 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.879 his mom out like sees a mom's boy. But and 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.439 it's like, you think, I don't like who you? Who did? 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.480 They Usually they never show you the parents unless they're 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.920 trying to be like, don't worry, he's got a white mom. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.040 I was like, are you serious? They brought his mom out? 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.800 They showed a ton of photos of her and them together, 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.119 being like see that's his mom. Don't worry a safe choice, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.240 Like it was so transparent, Like I was like, okay, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.719 you guys don't even hype, Like when do you ever 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.240 show anyone with their mom on their show or their dad? 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:11.680 So I really expect I hope Peter's mom right. Yeah, 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.239 Well she was a bit of a character. You know. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.240 They really wanted to give me that. Matt James is 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.800 super handsome and I can't waste someone. Yeah, he's actually 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.040 I was like, he's so hot. I feel like he's 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.600 our best bachelor we've ever gotten. I was like, yeah, 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.239 I mean he is really attractive. I was like the 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.600 most vanilla guy, Like they're the blandest, like the like 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:35.640 the softest, safest like boys, Like this guy is so handsome. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.640 I'm like, yes, okay, here we got the real. The proof, though, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.560 will also be when you're reading statistics about the breakdown 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.399 of bachelor seasons and it actually says something like, oh 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.440 and you know, thirty percent were people of color and 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.800 it was actually women. That's when the proof. Because I 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.760 think a lot of these companies get too caught up 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.200 in like, well, we'll make it right right now, right now, 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.840 for now, then we can backslide. That's why I think 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.080 because to me, I think again as if they if 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.640 they do start to at least cast more of the 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.680 cast because they usually pull, like, then they'll have more 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.320 people to pull from to go to Paradise to be 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.840 the next lead, like of all races, like like like 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.280 you know, there's so many different kinds of people to 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.520 see than just pageant girls. You know, mentioned like when 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.240 they would be like a gay bachelor, bachelorette or anything. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.240 They had their first love interest, they had their first 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:30.679 like that's a question for Juan Pablo. Frankly, they had 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:35.399 two women fall in love and paradise, but two beautiful 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.320 blonde two beautiful blonde women and they had a proposals 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.800 the mickey only the blonds. Yeah, exactly, I think Frankly, 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:48.840 they're just needs to be more gingers. Anna and I said, know, 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:53.240 are watching Bachelor US no Bachelorette in New Zealand right now, 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.080 and they're the hottest ginger on there. It's insane, Like 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.399 it's so weird that the hottest person is a ginger, okay, 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.040 and the bachelorette there is a hot ginger Okay, here 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:07.640 we go, Here we are. Um, it's Caitlin season. We're 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.000 back at Chris Harrison's house that does look like the 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.080 lobby at the Ramada Inn, with his novel The Perfect 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.760 Letter displayed as the only book in his study, with 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.520 piles and piles of dying roses on his desk, posted 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.520 by his son who hates him that what's named he named? 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:28.000 His name is in Harrison's Jason Josh, Yes, his name 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:34.200 is Harrison Harrison. Harrison Harrison, who clearly is like origin. 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.200 You know that kid is just like getting high in 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.040 their basement with their friends. Hates his dad. I love 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:44.200 his one word answer like happy to be here, Harrison Harrison. Great, 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:48.760 let's go. I didn't wear shoes tonight, wasn't it? Wasn't 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.800 it Katie? That was who was texting me last night? 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:52.439 Just mean, like you know that this is like his 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.879 son's like it's his dumb internship of the summer and 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.920 he hates doing that, like you would just tell he 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.040 hates like he hates his His posture was so defeated 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.560 to when he's like, and I'm here with my one 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.960 man crew, my son, Josh, how you doing tonight? And 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:12.040 he was just sort of like, yeah, it was painful 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.080 for teenager. Please look at the art in this room. 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.200 He has so much money, but he buys that money 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.800 paint and yeah, you brought up that book. What is 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.680 that book? That was just so aggressively like, see that's 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:26.560 my name and that's a book. You can buy it. 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:30.800 So I looked it up perfect and you can buy 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.560 it now. I looked it up. You can't buy it new. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:38.040 It's out of print. Nicholas, what is it? Who's that writer? 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.280 Nicholas Sparks. It's like, it's like the letter. It's like 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:45.160 it's it's like a it's like a Ryan Gosling, Um, 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.560 what's her name? The Canadian when they were what's it 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:53.320 Ryan Gosling? The notebook, It's like the notebook And yeah, 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:55.080 he wrote like a it's like a romance. It's like 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.800 a lady that goes who has her heartbroken, goes back 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.600 to her hometown and finds love. And you can't buy it, knew, 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.359 you can buy it used and I like, I like 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.280 that it's called a perfect letter. And he constantly throughout 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:10.439 the episode is like using the power of suggestion to 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.840 be like, we're going to tease these love letters and 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.120 then Nick later is just like they do their emails, right, 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.800 what are you talking about? Like I'm writing this with 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.879 a quill by candle light or something. This is a 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:27.399 Google I had a Google search these. Then it's the 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:31.280 beginning of the journey. And you see, this was why 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.240 it was such a great season and I should for those. 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:35.840 This was my first season I ever watched, and I 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:37.760 didn't want to watch it, and I heard like, oh, 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:39.879 no, no no, no, you have to watch it. There's two bachelorettes. 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.879 And I was like, fine, fine, what that was a 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.600 fun twist for the night, Like it was very cruel, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.840 but very cruel, very cruel. But so you've got Britt 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.840 who is beautiful and gorgeous, but like to me, I 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:55.439 mean I would have gotten out of that limo and 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.040 be lined for her. I think Caitlyn as cute as 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:02.800 a button. Once Caitlin laughed that was it. That was it? 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:06.199