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Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Today is a very special day because we have one

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Speaker 2: of our friends, a very talented singer and actor and

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Speaker 2: whose song, as we were friends during the show, ended

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Speaker 2: up in one of the episodes, which was very surreal

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Speaker 2: and really really cool. And it's Betty who.

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Speaker 1: You know, Betty, Betty who freaking who?

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Speaker 2: And it's used in a really pivotal moment.

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Speaker 3: In the series Huge, which is coming. It's just so

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Speaker 3: much fun. It was fun. We've been friends with Betty

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Speaker 3: and then and you even more like her. Told Betty,

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Speaker 3: I think that the song was happening or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out in this conversation. But she's great and

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Speaker 1: we love her.

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Speaker 2: Betty, who is so much fun that like for her birthdays,

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Speaker 2: she used to have Brittany Parks and Hannah teach us

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Speaker 2: Beyonce dance routines amazing and so like it's her birthday.

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Speaker 2: But what a treat for us, I mean a gift, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a true gift for us. But this is our talk

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Speaker 2: with Betty. It could have gone on for eight hours

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Speaker 2: because we just get to Gavin, you know, but she's

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Speaker 2: so talented and can do anything and everything, and so

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Speaker 2: we get into it all. So here is Betty who

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Speaker 2: or or or oh my god, how you going?

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Speaker 4: Hey Jenny? Literally where you been?

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Speaker 2: Or she's birth children?

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Speaker 4: I know you have and you're always thoughted on that trampoline.

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Speaker 4: That's what. That's what you said.

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Speaker 1: It out with me, bouncin haven't babies. That's it.

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Speaker 2: You look younger than when I met you.

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Speaker 1: You're aging backwards?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what have you done? What have you got me?

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Speaker 4: I can tell you what I've done, which is I'm

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Speaker 4: truly shocked that you said that, because you know us

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Speaker 4: white women, I think we actually tend to age the worst.

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Speaker 2: Yes, anybody?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, just curdling over time. My theory is

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Speaker 4: that it is hair theory because I was a short,

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Speaker 4: short haired girl for a long time, and I think

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Speaker 4: that I don't really know where I'm headed. I've just

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Speaker 4: been like trying to do I think I'm in a

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Speaker 4: period of my life which is very in the definition

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Speaker 4: of insanity is doing the same thing over and over

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Speaker 4: again and expecting different results. And so like, the hair

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Speaker 4: was very like in my head was like this is

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Speaker 4: what I have to do. People know me this, this,

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Speaker 4: and now I'm like, oh, can I do whatever I want?

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Speaker 4: I think I can't. Yeah, And the longer my hair gets,

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Speaker 4: I think the like stinkier and littler. I look, I

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Speaker 4: think I look like. I think I look like ten

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Speaker 4: year old me. Do you know what I mean? In

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Speaker 4: a way that's not like I'm just like a stinky

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Speaker 4: little girl.

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Speaker 3: You know, Kevin's the jammiest kid in town, so we've

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Speaker 3: got to.

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Speaker 2: Sink the jammiest kid in town.

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Speaker 4: Okay, speaking of why I haven't seen Aristotle.

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Speaker 2: Look, you got in the effort, you gotta. I have

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Speaker 2: to go find him. I'm like, where are you? I'm coming.

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Speaker 4: I might go ill. Okay that's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah like that because I was doing the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, babies.

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Speaker 4: Your all of your good will that you use on

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Speaker 4: trying to find Kelly is going to being patient with

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Speaker 4: your patient.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what you have a partnership. I can see

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Speaker 2: Kelly on your behalf.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and yeah, I'll try to stay patient.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you won't be the warehouse parties at three a m.

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Speaker 2: You know I can do that for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I can't actually it's so funny. I make so

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Speaker 4: much music and like so much of my culture is

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Speaker 4: like I love to dance, but I'm also tired.

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Speaker 5: And old and so like in like wiggling girlfriend, I

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Speaker 5: am trying to hit like a Sunday afternoon, four pm

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Speaker 4: You you text me at ten thirty saying where are

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Speaker 4: we going? I say to bed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sleep. I don't listen. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: these gays do it, because I went to my first

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Speaker 2: warehouse party, like a couple of months ago, a warehouse yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like I need to see what this is like.

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking around. I'm like, I am exhausted.

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Speaker 4: I'm tired.

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Speaker 2: I'm the only one.

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Speaker 4: That's the other thing, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't love.

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Speaker 4: I don't love a drug. No, marijuana is my spiritual

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Speaker 4: that's my that's my medicine.

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Speaker 2: But that's what you want to in a dark room.

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Speaker 4: You know it's not And everybody else is having a

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Speaker 4: different time. And for me, I just get like, I

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Speaker 4: get hot, I get I get nervous. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm going to die and I'm going to

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Speaker 4: be here. This is where I want to die a

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Speaker 4: warehouse downtown at four in the morning.

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Speaker 1: No, the I gotta go.

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Speaker 4: I don know how they do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I do not know how they do it.

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Speaker 4: What are we even talking about.

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Speaker 3: I don't know people, well, speaking of speaking of, I

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Speaker 3: don't know how they do it. You congratulations, you made

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Speaker 3: your Broadway debut.

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Speaker 4: Pivot.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, one of us is job.

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Speaker 1: Keep it on track.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but I love it because I obviously that's.

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Speaker 1: That's my whole feed. My Instagram feed is Broadway.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just seeing like you hopping up on my

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Speaker 3: Broadway feed, like all my worlds are colliding.

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Speaker 2: But you got which was shocking. I was like, wait

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Speaker 2: what but also makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was shocking. How did like how the hell?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: That is such a great question. You know. I want

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Speaker 4: to say that the casting director saw my New York

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Speaker 4: headlining show when I came through on the big.

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Speaker 2: Tour, and you can say headlining.

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Speaker 4: My headlining shore and I want to say that it

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Speaker 4: was just I I got a call from my agent

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Speaker 4: you about. And I was like okay, and like, my

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Speaker 4: you know, listen, I've been an independent artist. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's like I I my bar when someone tells like

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Speaker 4: I used to be like, if someone on my team

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Speaker 4: is like I had exciting news, I was like, oh

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Speaker 4: I have one billion fans. When did I can't believe

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Speaker 4: that you've called to tell me this, right? And then

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Speaker 4: they call and they're like, well, I'm going to pay

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Speaker 4: you twenty five dollars to post seventeen posts on your Instagram?

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Speaker 4: Does that sound good? And I'm like totally, totally, thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So when my agent called and was like I have

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Speaker 4: something really crazy, I was like, Okay, they're going to

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Speaker 4: want me to do like, you know, a song for

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Speaker 4: free in Times Square for theing or whatever, and like

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Speaker 4: I'm down for the cause, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's like I wanted to be in theater. I want

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Speaker 4: to be in the world. I've been taking meetings, my

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Speaker 4: finger guns have been out for a while in their community.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is something you were searching for.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I actually, to be honest, I was searching

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Speaker 4: for opportunities to write in musical theater even more than

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Speaker 4: I was to perform. I just like, I'm so unusual

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Speaker 4: and I feel as though it is really hard for

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Speaker 4: me to find opportunities to perform outside of ones I

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Speaker 4: create for myself because I'm six to two and I

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Speaker 4: like don't fit in a like very easy box. Actually,

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Speaker 4: speaking of auditioning, have we discussed the fact that Glee

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Speaker 4: came to my high school and auditioned kids at my

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Speaker 4: high school and I sang True Colors, Jenna, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: you're familiar. I know that you're goin. I sang your

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Speaker 4: version of True Colors as my audition for And by

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Speaker 4: the way, you know what I've said, which is so funny.

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Speaker 4: Me a little bisexual six sixteen year old seventeen year old,

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Speaker 4: I was like, I think you need more lesbians in

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Speaker 4: It's literally what I my pitch, which is so funny

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Speaker 4: because then the entire show since I said that, like

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Speaker 4: was like, Okay, well you didn't need more representation you

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Speaker 4: little high school or in high school, I don't think

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Speaker 4: I ever have revealed. I've waited for this moment to

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Speaker 4: tell you about it.

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Speaker 2: What you told me about the NLT fandom, but you

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Speaker 4: I am NLT is number one fan the way that

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Speaker 4: I ride for I listened to NLT a lot, and

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Speaker 4: I'm not even embarrassed to say it. I shouldn't be.

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Speaker 4: The songs are great. You're you're out here then about

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Speaker 2: This is how we became friends initially too. At Sophia

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Speaker 2: Bush's house, myself was on here a couple of months ago,

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Speaker 2: and Benny looks at me and starts singing an NLT song,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, who don't know, because I'm like,

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Speaker 4: ISID, yeah, no, And I'm like, giving fan energy this

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Speaker 4: learned a lot about this time of my life when

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Speaker 4: I met you, guys. Is it's like trying to figure

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Speaker 4: out how to I think ultimately I have fan energy,

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Speaker 4: but not in a spooky way, not like I want.

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Speaker 2: That's why I recognized that. I was like right away,

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Speaker 2: I ran towards you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I ran into my arms. Yes, I did feel

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Speaker 4: very much as I moved to LA that I spent

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Speaker 4: a lot of time being like, oh my god, I'm

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Speaker 4: And then I like moved off of my my fan line,

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Speaker 4: think I have to be myself. That's what everybody says,

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Speaker 4: I'm just like I lead with this is my other trick.

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Speaker 4: This is my this is my networking, this is my

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Speaker 4: I'm thirty something trick and in the viz for a decade. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I don't do any of the Hey so great to

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Speaker 4: see you and have someone look at me and go

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Speaker 4: I go, hey, it's me Betty Who. That's what I do.

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Speaker 4: I walk into a situation I meeting somebody or re

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Speaker 4: meeting someone, I go hey, it's me Betty Who, and

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Speaker 4: they go okay, and I'm like, oh my god, I

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Speaker 4: instead of being like hey, and then wait for them

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Speaker 4: to be like, I'm so sorry, can you tell me

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Speaker 2: Well, I got to be a Betty who backup dancer

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Speaker 4: Actually you were the first person you told me, Kevin

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Speaker 4: Did I do it?

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Speaker 2: Did I do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's nice.

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Speaker 1: You'll never forget that there unlocked somebody.

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Speaker 4: What I recall is getting a text from you, Kevin

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Speaker 4: It's now going to be Darren and Chris and I'm

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Speaker 4: huge news for Lilly Perkins. I'm going to be on

441
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 4: and that's what you missed. And she sent me like

442
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 4: tears in her eyes, like so exciting, really exciting for her.

443
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 4: Exciting for me too, but you know I mostly lived

444
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 4: vicariously for her. Yeah a good friend, yeah yeah, yeah,

445
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 4: except to Telly, yeah, but full circle yeah yeah. And

446
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 4: I texted her about this and she was like, she

447
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 4: was like, do you know what a culturally significant moment

448
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 4: Glee was and you had a song on that show?

449
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 4: Do you know who doesn't have a song on that show?

450
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 4: And then she named all these people who were like

451
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 4: much more famous and successful than me, and she was like,

452
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 4: they don't have songs on Glee, but you know who

453
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 4: does Betty for you? And I was like, honestly, honestly, Linds.

454
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: We need champions like that.

455
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: You need champions like that all the time, just to

456
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 3: remind you of all the winds.

457
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: What a great memory, because that absolutely is a text

458
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 2: I sent.

459
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 3: So Kevin had the behind he had the behind the scenes,

460
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: he knew before well.

461
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 2: And we would get the initial script because we would

462
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: find out later when songs were changed before we actually

463
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: shot them, that they would assume, I think that we

464
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: could get any song we wanted.

465
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah it was powerful, yeah.

466
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 2: System, yes, so they would put the songs in there.

467
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: And Kelly was in the writer's room at this point too,

468
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: so I'm sure you know if someone was asking for

469
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: a suggestions.

470
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 4: Between you and Kelly both being like, hey, you know

471
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 4: what we should do, I feel like I feel like

472
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 4: one of you was the one who suggested it, Like

473
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 4: I know I know that it was because I had

474
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 4: a homie putting putting in a good order.

475
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: It was not, but that song was already doing. You

476
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: didn't need us that song maybe maybe I don't know,

477
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: a life of its own, and it was it was

478
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: taking over the internet, and you know, it was a

479
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: gay anthem and our show was gay grey. It was

480
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: really good, good, very yeah.

481
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that's why it was so impactful to me.

482
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 4: That's why I'm like a seventeen year old and he

483
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 4: was like auditioning on the stage interlock and being like,

484
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 4: I think I would make a great lesbian for your show,

485
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 4: and then singing a song. Is because I felt like so.

486
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: I love the fact that it was shining a light

487
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 4: on sort of all of the parts of and obviously

488
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have heard this a billion times

489
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: over in your entire lifespan. But like the things that

490
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 4: made me feel uncool, Glee made shan a light on

491
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 4: to make it seem way cooler than I felt about it.

492
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 4: And so the fact that I loved musical theater or like,

493
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 4: and also the catalog of music that I was introduced

494
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 4: to because I was a young person who had never

495
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 4: heard dream On before I watched the show it's like

496
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 4: I loved that it sort of it really gave me.

497
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: I have a friend who uses the term unbullied theater

498
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: kid a lot to describe people who have a lot

499
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 4: of energy, and I actually think that Glee probably spawned

500
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: like a lot of unbullied theater kids, and maybe we

501
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 4: need to be like this much more bullied, you know

502
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 4: what I mean, just a little bit of humility around me.

503
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: You're like chipped away from the edges.

504
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 3: You know.

505
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 4: But it did give me a sort of confidence that

506
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 4: I that I actually I wonder if I would have had.

507
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 4: And that's how I became a fan of LTS because

508
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, he's so great and

509
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: I love this boy. And then I googled Kevin mchall

510
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 4: and I was like, he was in a boy band.

511
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: I also love boy bands.

512
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: I did not know this was the road.

513
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: Have we ever? Have you ever spoken this much about

514
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: NLT on this show? I hope that my episode is

515
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: actually it's not the Betty Who episode, it's the NLT

516
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 4: episode isisode?

517
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: Oh god, we haven't spoken this much about it.

518
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: I don't know we have not. For those of you

519
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: who don't know, I was in a boy band called

520
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: NLT before you know.

521
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: Well you and a girl band, and I didn't know about.

522
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: It, like I was not.

523
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: I was an unbillied theater kid.

524
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 4: I love that and it worked and it's worked out

525
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 4: for you? Really well? It did it? Did you were

526
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 4: also on Broadway? I was did you? What was your experience?

527
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 4: You loved it? I think we're gluttons for punishment. I

528
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: think you have to be if you.

529
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: Love it, It's like, really, you really do.

530
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: It ruined my life, but it was also the happiest

531
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: I've ever been both at the same time. Do you

532
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: know what I mean?

533
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: For sure?

534
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: Was it the schedule that ruined your life? Like it's jarring?

535
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: It is jarring? Eight times a week is like maybe

536
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 4: too many times. I would need to say I'm gonna

537
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 4: go I'm gonna go out on a limb and say

538
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: that it is many times a week, and it is. Yeah,

539
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 4: But I think I think it just did a number

540
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 4: on my body. I felt like, and if I when

541
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 4: let me correct myself, on me manifest it. When I

542
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 4: do it again, that's right, I will have so many

543
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: more tools to help support me because I have the experience.

544
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 4: But it nothing will ever be like the first time

545
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 4: you do it because especially coming from a totally different

546
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 4: scal Like I thought I was like rock and roll,

547
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 4: Like I play four or five shows a week on tour,

548
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 4: and like there are some people like pop stars who

549
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: don't do more than two three shows a week because

550
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 4: it's like so much on your body. And also you're

551
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: like carrying an entire show by yourself. It's not like

552
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 4: you're a part of an ensemble.

553
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: For sure.

554
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: So I thought that I was. Yeah, I thought I

555
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 4: was like rock and roll. But that's team sport. As

556
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 4: you say, Jenna, that's actually one of my the things

557
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 4: that I love the most about it. Like I think,

558
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: like I always wish That's why I'm obsessed with NLT.

559
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: Just to bring it back to We're just.

560
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: Connection.

561
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, where he's gonna candy episode, He's like, we

562
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 4: can't air this. No. The reason I'm obsessed with boy

563
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: bands and like you know, is because I I think

564
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 4: there I have this fantasy that I always wish that

565
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 4: I was in a group because I am such a

566
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 4: social creature by nature. Like when I played tennis, I

567
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: loved playing tennis, but I didn't playing softball because when

568
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 4: I was on the softball team, then I like had

569
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: people to reflect like I feel like I'm I'm a

570
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: really good member of a team because I have a

571
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: great attitude for the most part, Like I you know,

572
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 4: like I was. I was basically accepted to my performing

573
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 4: offs high school because I had a really great attitude,

574
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 4: not because I had the talent. He was like, you

575
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 4: need so much help with cello, and I think I

576
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: can give it to you. But the only reason I'm

577
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 4: really letting you in is because I think that you'll

578
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: be a really great addition to that we need. Like

579
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 4: good vibes, bring the vibes.

580
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: Similar.

581
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm not I'm going to give you Like

582
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: I'm not.

583
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 4: I'm giving an a plus in.

584
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 6: Vibes personality, right, But I think, but I think that

585
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 6: that is what I loved about being on Broadway and

586
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 6: being Yeah, I loved it.

587
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: It's like pressure is just so different, and I loved

588
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 4: being someone who, even if I was having a horrible day,

589
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: could be like, look at us all it's easy for

590
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if you had this too, Like it's

591
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: easy enough for me, who's like coming from a totally

592
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: different world. The world that you're in is the hottest

593
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 4: world to have. Like gratitude for yes, and so walking

594
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: into my first day of Broadway rehearsals, I was like, eny, yeah,

595
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like I was ready to

596
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: be present and soak it all up. And it's like,

597
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: you know, it's harder for me to do that in

598
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 4: music because I have so much I'm like, what are

599
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 4: we doing?

600
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: But it's also all on you, Like it's your project,

601
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: it's your vision, it's your thing. This is like, oh,

602
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: I know the music is good.

603
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: I'm stepping into this.

604
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's crazy too. I mean, you guys are

605
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: like actors and in a you know, you have so

606
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: much more experience obviously being on camera and acting from

607
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: a different way than I do. But that was something

608
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 4: that was really crazy to me. Is sort of the

609
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 4: like coming from music, it is all in my control,

610
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: for better and for worse. And so to walk in

611
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: I remember, like the director on our first day rehearsals,

612
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 4: Rachel Chapkin, my queen, She's like, we were having a

613
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 4: table sort of conversation, me and the guy who's going

614
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: to play my husband, Philip boy and my boyfriend obsessed

615
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: with him. We were all sitting talking and someone asked

616
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: a question. The assistant director is like what time are

617
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: we rehearsing tomorrow? And I'm like, I think the schedule

618
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: says four pm. And Rachel the director looks, she goes, hey,

619
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: you don't have to worry about any of that stuff anymore.

620
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 4: You're just here to do this part. And I was like, whoa, yes, yes, ye,

621
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: thank you for the note.

622
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I love a.

623
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: Note, thank you for the note. I will I will

624
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 4: internalize the note, I will sleep on the note, and

625
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 4: I will return and we've been ready to work. Yeah

626
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: really yeah, really really shot me out of my body

627
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: for a second, being like oh so I think. But

628
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: then it's like there's a choice that they tell you

629
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 4: to make, and you're kind of like, I don't want

630
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: to make that choice. So it's like the push and

631
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 4: pull of the control versus giving up control.

632
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: So nice.

633
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's nice, Oh my god, tell me where to

634
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: stand to say and I'll see it.

635
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: So that's how we live. They're just tell me when

636
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: to start talking, and I'll do it.

637
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: And I will give you seven eight yes, a little blair,

638
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: and that's it.

639
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: The live experience, because you have so much experience performing live,

640
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: going on tour and all different kinds of venues.

641
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: But versus a theater performance.

642
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: A theater acting yeah in a character, Like what is

643
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: that terrifying? Like was that a whole different level or

644
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: was that like, Oh I got this.

645
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: I think I am ultimately really proud of the way

646
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: I showed up on my first night, obviously, like and

647
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: it grows so much. That's something that really shook me

648
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: to my core because like I'm building a tour right now,

649
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: I'm about to go onto this summer. Normally, what we'll

650
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: do is we'll stop in a city, a smaller city,

651
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: and play a smaller venue than the rest of the

652
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: venues as a warm up show. You go, this is

653
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: the first time we're running to do. If you will, Yeah,

654
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: where you go? I'm gonna I'm going to fall on

655
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: my face, and the people in Phoenix, Arizona are going

656
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: to be really kind and generous with me because I'm

657
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 4: going to say, this is our first show. You're like

658
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: seeing a work in progress. Thank you so much. You

659
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: don't like open in front of everybody who's going to

660
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: come see you, And that's the time they're going to

661
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: come see you, do you know what I mean? Opening

662
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: night and I remember seeing Heather Headley in the Color

663
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: Purple on her opening night when she took over from

664
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: Jennifer Hudson. Yes, And I remember she dropped a line

665
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 4: and she and she went and she picked it up

666
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: and she just and it actually, to me felt so

667
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 4: exciting to see you, like the process of her going

668
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: this titan of performer that I think can do no

669
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: wrong dropping a line and nobody died. Yeah, and everything's fine,

670
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: and she handled it gracefully and it actually gave me

671
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: goosey seeing her fall back into it. I'm like, oh

672
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: my god, how exciting. So I think I am ultimately

673
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 4: really proud of how I showed up at my opening night.

674
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: But I remember I opened like September fifth, and I

675
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: was in it until February fourth or something like that.

676
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: So in that span, I remember like Thanksgiving being like

677
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: I think I'm eating this up, but like that's two

678
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: months later, do you know what I mean. Yeah, So,

679
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: like in a pop show, we have one warm up

680
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 4: show and then it's tight and we are doing it

681
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: and no changes are being made and we are hitting it.

682
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: For me, like in a month of rehearsals and the

683
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 4: director looking at me being like, well, you're going to

684
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: find it. I'm like, what do you No, No, no,

685
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: that's not an answer to my question, what do you

686
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: mean I'm going to find it? I need to know

687
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: what it is so that that's so interesting, like you're

688
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: thrown out to go. I'm going to find this in

689
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: front of you. And it is the most vulnerable thing

690
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 4: I've ever done in my life. And I've done some

691
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: strange and vulnerable things, yes, And I think the experience

692
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 4: of like showing up and finding it in front of everybody,

693
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 4: to then arrive and know that I and start to

694
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I think I've dropped in. Of course,

695
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: I do wish that the part where I arrived and

696
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 4: went I now I figured it out. I kind of

697
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: do wish that was like September fifth, do you know

698
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: what I mean? I think that's a goal that I

699
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 4: would have it to go back to a show with

700
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: is shortened my amount of time that it took me

701
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: to get comfortable and drop in. It's like that was

702
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: two and a half months, Like I'd love to do

703
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 4: it in six weeks next time or part.

704
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: Of the magic though, I feel like I feel the

705
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: exact same way as you. But when I hear people

706
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: who do shows for like years or something, how do.

707
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: You do a show that.

708
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: No idea, but the fact that the key seems to be,

709
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: like the one consistent thing everybody seems to say is

710
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: that they are finding new things things, yeah, every night.

711
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: And so maybe I'm saying this more for me than

712
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: for you, but I feel like.

713
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 4: No, yeah, but that's a part of it.

714
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 2: But like yeah, like sort of like I guess the

715
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: grace that you give yourself to sort of explore that

716
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: where pop world, the perfectionist musician in us is like, no,

717
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: this has to be right, this has to be my

718
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: vision immediately, so you can see exactly what I'm able

719
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: to give you as opposed to this is a complex character,

720
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: and you're seeing a full character and embodied on stage,

721
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 2: interacting with other people as other actors are coming and

722
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: going y. And so for your own sanity to not

723
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: get tired of playing a role for five months or

724
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: wherever long you're doing it is to be able to

725
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: make yourself excited every night too, with the possibility of

726
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: finding something new.

727
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: Well, And like, you know, I felt so lucky because

728
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 4: Haiti's town is so epic. It's like it's not you know,

729
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: it's much less five to six, seven eight than I

730
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: feel like my personality is do you know what I mean?

731
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: It's like it's giving art, it's giving Eric. It's the

732
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: first time I saw it. I remember being like, I

733
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: don't know if I get it. I know it made

734
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: me feel something, but I and I'm pretty I'm pretty smart,

735
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: and I walked away being like, I know that it

736
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 4: made me feel but I have so many questions, and

737
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 4: it's like I wish I was in rehearsal. Yeah, and

738
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: I watched it so often when I was in rehearsals,

739
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: you know, I would like for rehearsals just like standing

740
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 4: at the back of the room and watching the track.

741
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: And then I did the moment where you're staying on

742
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: the side and you're like following the try was like

743
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 4: following Joelle around that she did her performance. And I remember,

744
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 4: like being in the show three months in being like, oh,

745
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: that's really beautiful, Like there's it's so dense. Yeah that

746
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 4: I think it. It gave me so much opportunity to

747
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: continue that exploration that you're talking about, keV. That's like

748
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: I am still finding how do I make This line

749
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: has never really made sense to me, And I'm just

750
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 4: saying it because I have to say it because this

751
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: is the time that I say this line. But now

752
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: all of the other lines I have figured out what

753
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: they mean and how to make make sense. And now

754
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: this line is the one that I'm going to spend

755
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: the next week trying to make it land and feel

756
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 4: not like I'm coming out with my body to say

757
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 4: the line that I'm supposed to say before I like

758
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: drop it. You know, I also learned so much about

759
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 4: and Jenna, I'm so curious to see like your experience

760
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: about this too, like I.

761
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: Learned, and.

762
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: Film and TV is so such a different mode than theater,

763
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: and it's such a different embodiment to me, Like because

764
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 4: in film and TV something I think I'm really good at,

765
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: or like music videos, or like doing anything with camera,

766
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about camera and I'm thinking about angle on

767
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 4: camera and where is the camera and find it's like

768
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 4: that it's a part of your the interplay of your performance,

769
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 4: and in a in a theater setting, of course, all

770
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: of that is gone. And I learned so much from

771
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: watching because I tried to see a lot of theater

772
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: while I was like while I was in rehearsals and

773
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: getting ready for the show, and then when I left

774
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 4: the show, I did like a week after I closed,

775
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: where I saw a show like seven shows in. I remember,

776
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 4: and I learned so much about like what being dropped

777
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: in means, Like that's such a like dropped in, like

778
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: you shut up, Like what do you talkking about?

779
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: True?

780
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: And I saw it and I like remember being like, oh,

781
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 4: it's the thing of making yourself the most alive and

782
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 4: open and present. It's about being present, and like so

783
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: much of my pop music life, I'm like, yeah, it's

784
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 4: like I'm I do feel present, but I'm in my

785
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit more inside of myself thinking about

786
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 4: what I'm doing and serving. And it's not the same mechanism.

787
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 4: And I thought it would translate a lot and it

788
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: doesn't at all.

789
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: And I for any it's like this may be a

790
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: little too specific for any. No, it's never never understand this.

791
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: I really will Beyonce tours before Renaissance. It's the pop

792
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: star perfectionist, you know, the little sort of we're going

793
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: to hit these fun She is working, yes, and then Renaissance.

794
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: She's dropping lyrics, she's talking to audience members. She's never

795
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: looked more alive on stage in her life. Yes, Yes,

796
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: and we feel Yes. The same, but like when you

797
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: see somebody who's quote unquote dropped in the even if

798
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: it's in a stadium or if it's in a theater,

799
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: you feel that as an audience member.

800
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Heather Headley dropping her line and I go,

801
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: but nothing has ever been more human or alive or

802
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: like in front of me. And I think that it's

803
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: so funny because culturally we grew up in the same

804
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: era of like obviously Beyonce is such a kind of

805
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 4: the peak of you know, performance sort of. It's like

806
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 4: feels like so often people have been chasing her for forever,

807
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: whether it's like when people were on stage or like

808
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: she's such a trendsetter as far as like how to

809
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 4: do the thing that we do in our so growing

810
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 4: up and like studying her, I have spent so much time.

811
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 4: I feel like this is also a bonding moment for us.

812
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: Was like really talking about Beyonce on this level, like

813
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: I love single Ladies, where like the performance from Glastonbury

814
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 4: the end of time, but do you know what I mean?

815
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 4: And I feel like that a version of her informed

816
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 4: so much of what I actually learned about like perfectionism.

817
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 4: But I actually think that's the thing that for someone

818
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 4: who wasn't a Beyonce fan in that era, that's what

819
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: was alienating to them as they go. I get that

820
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 4: she's good, but I have a hard time connecting with it.

821
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 4: And I never understood that because I'm like, what do

822
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: you mean?

823
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like the boy bands are Britney Spears, it

824
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 2: was all perfection. Everything was, yes, absolutely, and it's.

825
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: Not like free painting. And I think that, and like

826
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: when I see free painting at work in pop music,

827
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit like, can we get some structure

828
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 4: in here? I want a little bit of five scent,

829
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: And so finding the balance of that, I think is

830
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 4: something I'm watching her do because she's like had children

831
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: and has less, you know, I think it feels more

832
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: free in a way, and so I think that it

833
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 4: really does seem to be a balance between those things.

834
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 4: And I think that's like a really great example of

835
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: me being in Hadestown and being like, I'm supposed to

836
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: be this thing, and then I'm like, but I'm thinking

837
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 4: about it too much, and then I'm like, no, I'm

838
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 4: in the room, and it's crazy. I felt very much

839
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: like I was playing a video game that was the

840
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: same video game over and over again, and each performance

841
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 4: was me trying to get a higher score. I'm trying

842
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: to get the perfect score on the game, and if

843
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 4: I trip over myself here, it's like deduct ten points.

844
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: You know, It's like funny, Yeah, that was That.

845
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: Was the experience I sometimes came. I felt like I

846
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 4: was like yeah, like you know, you like wind up

847
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 4: the toy and then all of a sudden you're like

848
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 4: off to the races again doing the same thing. But

849
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 4: I did ultimately fall in love with it, and it's

850
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: changed the way I approach performing because it's so much

851
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: more of that like in the room, coming from you know,

852
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: my soul to the audience. I feel so much more

853
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: connected in that way than I ever did before I

854
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: did it. It's pretty crazy, you get it.

855
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: Do you think you were able to appreciate that experience

856
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: and the ability to be present and notice all those things,

857
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: like was because of your age and experience beforehand, Like

858
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: if you call me old because you're elderly.

859
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 4: Because I'm ancient. And Siri jumped in just now she

860
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 4: was like, I'm sorry, did you just call her old?

861
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: Did you need me? Because you know it's I think

862
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: it's when you especially if you're doing something for the

863
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: first time. It's sort of like like fight or fight,

864
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: and I need to figure out how to do this.

865
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be in front of a live audience eight

866
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: times a week. But it sounds like you were really

867
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: like grounded and able to pay attention to the whole

868
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: experience as a whole.

869
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 4: I think that that is definitely from experience, just because

870
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 4: I remember listening, Man, you guys must have like so

871
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: much to say about this, and I'd love to hear

872
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: what your thoughts are on this. Like I remember listening

873
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: to a podcast about it was BJ from the Office

874
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: talking about being on the office and being so overwhelmed

875
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: by the experience and the success of the show that

876
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 4: actually he didn't really enjoy it that much. And he

877
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 4: looks back and he's like, man, I really I actually

878
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: missed it. I like this is what they talk about

879
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 4: when they talk about missing it. Yes, And I feel

880
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 4: like there's been so many moments in my music career

881
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: where I haven't enjoyed the whole point. That's the whole point.

882
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 4: You know. It's like, I'm not rich, so if I'm

883
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: miserable as well, then I'm doing something wrong, you know what.

884
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like I'm not doing this for my health.

885
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: I'm like trying to find joy and vibrate at passion.

886
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 4: And you know, music is like the thing that brings

887
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 4: me the most emotional satisfaction, whether it's making me cry

888
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: or making me laugh or making me dance. It's like

889
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: it is so the lifeblood of the joy in my experience,

890
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 4: and so to then spend ten years working in it

891
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 4: will really make you hate it. And I am active

892
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 4: trying to work on you know, reapproaching music from this

893
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 4: place now of sort of taking a little bit of

894
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: time off and going I really want to be happy. Yeah,

895
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: that seems like.

896
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: A requirement now, yes, yes.

897
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 4: But I do think that going into Hadestown because of

898
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: the experience that I'd had in music where I did

899
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: feel a little bit like OHM as my life so hard,

900
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 4: I'm getting flown around the world to go play shows,

901
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 4: and I'm miserable. It's like I hated being that person.

902
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: Even as as I was that person, I knew I

903
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 4: was doing it wrong. That when Hadestown came and I

904
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 4: felt so lucky because I felt like I do feel

905
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 4: like I've worked really hard for so long and having

906
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 4: a lot of ways actually not reached the benefits of

907
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 4: so much of that time and effort that I've put in,

908
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: which is like an investment. It's all an investment to

909
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: get an opportunity like that that actually felt like it

910
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 4: had been dropped out of heaven. Like for me, I

911
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 4: was like, I'm not. The one thing I'm not going

912
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: to do is miss this. And I will say out

913
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: of the hundred and I want to, I think it's

914
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty seven shows.

915
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 2: Wow.

916
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 4: Personally, I think I can count to one two shows

917
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: where I was like, I don't want to be here.

918
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: I hate this. I am full autopilot getting through the

919
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 4: show because I am I'm dead. I'm done. Nobody look

920
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 4: at me. Don't perceive me. This is not my day. Please.

921
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's ratio, ratio.

922
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: That's inevitable.

923
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 4: I expected it to be higher, but I was. I

924
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 4: really made an effort to when I walked into the

925
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 4: building to be like I'm going to go say high

926
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: to stage management and I'm going to knock on the

927
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 4: doors and be like hey, everybody, it's me many who

928
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 4: and I'm so happy to be here and like I

929
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: know that it's funny, Like there are some people who

930
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 4: were like, uh, like with all your joy, like are

931
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: you so happy to be here? And I'm like I

932
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 4: get that. And if that's not your time, I understand,

933
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 4: and I don't have to bring this to your front

934
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: door either. But that's for me the way that it

935
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 4: felt accessible and kind of kept me present in the

936
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 4: fact that I was literally living a childhood dream, because

937
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: it's like when you work your whole life to live

938
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 4: your childhood dream, then all of a sudden, it's hard

939
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: to drop in and be like, oh my god, I'm

940
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 4: a pop star playing show for fans, Like yeah, there's

941
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: so much work that went into it. It's hard for

942
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 4: me to then like oh my gosh. And then you

943
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: like get to be on Broadway and you're like no, no, no,

944
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 4: this is like I have not spent the last ten

945
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 4: years auditioning for Broadway shows.

946
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like yeah, that did.

947
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: That makes that a little bit either more or harder,

948
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: you know, to like be like I've worked so hard

949
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: for this, like of course I deserve this. It's like

950
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 4: a different energy to approach it like me, yeah, you

951
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: want me, which is a different vibe.

952
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: But that's the fun Broadway vibe. That's the fun vibe

953
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: to have.

954
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: When Somebody Loves You ended up on Glee. It was

955
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: also one of those moments of obviously the show was

956
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: not necessarily at its peak at that point, no, I'll

957
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: take it, yeah, but it was also like, yeah, this

958
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: is my friend and like we were all number one, you.

959
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: Know, introduce me to all of you guys. That's like

960
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 4: how the video first Friends Yeah in La was because

961
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 4: Kenny found my EP online and shared it with all

962
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 4: of his friends, being.

963
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: Like, this is sick. Basically happened.

964
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: Yes, Kenny found the EP that's from from I Recall

965
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: to My Best Recollection. Kenny was a little SoundCloud kid. Yeah,

966
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 4: my first EP was free online and he said, somebody

967
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 4: loves You hits. I think it's even before the viral video,

968
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? He was like it

969
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 4: was really a treadsetter. So it felt very serendipitous, and

970
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: it was such a like I'm so grateful for like

971
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 4: the moments that do happen like that, whether it's Haiti

972
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: Town or like me getting the you texting me being

973
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 4: like I think we're going to do Somebody Loves You

974
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 4: on Glee. I remember being like, oh my, Like that's

975
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: a moment where I get to go, Like I can

976
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 4: directly shoot back to being in my body when I'm

977
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 4: sixteen watching on my like weird little laptop in high school,

978
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: like the newest download I bought those seasons on Apple,

979
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? Like before I was

980
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 4: like I was a fan and I was also downloading

981
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 4: the albums like my entire iTunes. I remember I did

982
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: like a six hour road trip to go make some

983
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 4: music when I was nineteen. In the entire drive, I

984
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 4: was listening to the Glee soundtracks, do you know what

985
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: I mean? Like it was such a huge part of

986
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 4: my young life that then I got to the fact

987
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 4: that I got to be a part of it in

988
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 4: any kind of small way felt so unreal and like

989
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 4: such a satisfying moment for me.

990
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm so.

991
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: I'm so curious about you guys, like that feeling of

992
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 4: sort of you were in this huge moment and when

993
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 4: you were in it, where you like, I'm having trouble

994
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 4: being in it, or like, how can you even possibly

995
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 4: be in it when you don't even know how big

996
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: it's going to be? Like I do want to know

997
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 4: how you felt about that at the time. It's probably

998
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 4: a huge question.

999
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: I think towards the end in retrospect, like I wish

1000
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: I had I resonated with, like BJ, like I wish

1001
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: I had enjoyed and appreciated that time of being so

1002
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 3: young and so on top of the world and just

1003
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: being able to really basking it. I don't think I

1004
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 3: hated it, but I also didn't love it as.

1005
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: Much as I could have.

1006
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: So there's definitely like a vibe that I, if I

1007
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: could go back, I would be I would be smiling

1008
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: every day, you know, like there would I would be

1009
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 3: knocking on people's doors and saying hello.

1010
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 4: And you must also be like it's never going to end.

1011
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 4: That's the other part of it. It's like it went

1012
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 4: for so many seasons that there also must have been

1013
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 4: a part of you that.

1014
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: Was like around season four, we kind of new classes

1015
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: came in, things started to people started wanting to do

1016
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: other projects. We were so hot at that time that

1017
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: like you think you're never gonna stop working after that,

1018
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: so you're like, get me off this thing that made

1019
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: me and let me go do the new thing. And

1020
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: that's when we kind of lost that connection. And obviously

1021
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: we came back at times and found each other again

1022
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: and came you know, left, but a lot of people

1023
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 3: left at the end, and for me in particular, like

1024
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: I left through halfway through season six, and then I

1025
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: didn't come back until really like this the finale, to

1026
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: like really appreciate it. So I definitely wish that I

1027
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: had had a different outlook towards the end. But I

1028
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: think in the beginning we all felt I felt very

1029
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 3: attached to the show and very emotional towards it because

1030
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: it was my dream coming true.

1031
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, fighting in a bottle, and you were a

1032
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 4: part of it, especially at a time when like we

1033
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: didn't have seventeen different shows that were about like kids

1034
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: who dance. Now, I was just like now a huge

1035
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 4: part of culture because Glee made it that, like you

1036
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 4: were on the forefront of that.

1037
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: It took longer for Kevin to like lose that luster,

1038
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 3: like he made it really really far, I really really

1039
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: really far. Like I give him way farther than all

1040
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: of us, Like he was the last one standing, probably smiling,

1041
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: so like I take you longer.

1042
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: But I think that comes from my experience of not

1043
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: having success, like being in the boy band for so

1044
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: long and working so is so hard at it, and

1045
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: we didn't really get there at all, And.

1046
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 4: That's so crazy because like when you're in like a

1047
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 4: industry plant situation like that where they pick boys and

1048
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 4: they put you together and then they give you the song,

1049
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 4: it's like that also must have felt like all my

1050
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 4: dreams are coming true, but and it is so much

1051
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 4: hard work. And then you're like shooting the music videos

1052
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: and you're like, I'm shooting the music video and I'm

1053
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 4: like signed to a record label, and like all of

1054
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: these crazy producers and like execs are like having these

1055
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 4: conversations with me that the like putting that in front

1056
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 4: of you and then sort of being like, oh, but

1057
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 4: this isn't It does give you a different perspective.

1058
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: Totally, because when I had also been trying to act

1059
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: for forever and I would do little guest spots here,

1060
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: So it was like the best combination of all the

1061
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: things I was interested in and trying to pursue professionally,

1062
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 2: and then the magical accident of it working. And as

1063
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: someone who had, you know, come from not a successful

1064
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: music career, like seeing the charts every week and being

1065
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: able to talk to the chairman of Columbia Records about

1066
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: Beyonce's leaked singles or talk to the President of Columbia

1067
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: about how like stories about Adele recording someone like you

1068
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: were like I.

1069
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 4: Subscribing to Hits magazine.

1070
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: Like yes, like that's what I like, I understood from

1071
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: Jump what it meant to have that level of success, Yes,

1072
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: and how rare and special it was. And like I

1073
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: was the one to send the rest of the group

1074
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: of like, don't stop believing our version is number four

1075
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 2: on Billboard Hot one hundred. Yeah, I responded and said

1076
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: is that good? And I was like you guys, yeah,

1077
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: And I wasn't even like mad at them or anything.

1078
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: I was like, no, of course, now like no, no,

1079
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: it is the fourth biggest song.

1080
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 4: Maybe the biggest thing that we could possibly do.

1081
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: I because like I would check the Billboard charts every

1082
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: single week as a kids.

1083
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: Literally knew what it meant in a different way.

1084
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And so I was just like being able

1085
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: to shoot at Paramount and drive through those gates, and.

1086
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 4: I when I when I get a lot pass, when

1087
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 4: I get it, when I get a parking pass for

1088
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 4: the lot because I got a meeting, I'm driving on

1089
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 4: to the lot and I'm like this this, I don't

1090
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 4: have to.

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Speaker 1: Park at the lot down the block ticket and validate.

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00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is your life. That was our life for

1093
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: seven years. And so then when it spits you out

1094
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 2: and you go.

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00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: Back, welcome to the real life.

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Speaker 2: And like, you can't have a normal experience because like

1097
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: all of my things sound obnoxious, all my experiences sound crazy.

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00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 4: They were. They also were.

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00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 2: They were, and like you met me in the middle

1100
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: of that, and like that's why it was. Really, I

1101
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: will say, and I'm not just saying this. I'm not

1102
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: just saying this because you're here. Really I tell people this.

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00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: I was very surprised.

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00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 4: Meeting so many of the costs from Glee at because

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00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 4: I remember, like we had I went to a couple

1106
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 4: of parties and there was just like a group of

1107
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 4: you guys, a lot of socially spie.

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00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 4: So I remember meeting this particular group of you, and

1110
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 4: having been such a fan of the show, I remember

1111
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 4: being really surprised at how normal adjacent you all were, Like, yes,

1112
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 4: you were on a massive TV show and we were

1113
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 4: in the middle of this thing happening, but you weren't

1114
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 4: Like I wasn't like, oh my god, I'm just trying

1115
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 4: to menalty, and you were like, please stay tened beat

1116
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 4: away from me, Like I knew that I freaked you out,

1117
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: but I also knew that you got it, you know

1118
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 4: what I mean. And I remember being like that kind

1119
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: of surprised me, but what you were saying, Kevin, it

1120
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 4: kind of made me think. So I was having a

1121
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 4: conversation with a friend because like all we all all

1122
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 4: were all doing in this business, like trying to get

1123
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 4: a little bit closer, you know, that investment. You're like

1124
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 4: putting your time in and hustling and working and hopefully

1125
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 4: something is going to come of it, and you don't

1126
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: know what it's going to be. And I think your

1127
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: guys's experienced. I had a friend say to me, if

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00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 4: you just assume that ninety nine point nine percent of

1129
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 4: things will be failures, because that is actually the race,

1130
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 4: that is like the real ratio of what success looks like,

1131
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 4: particularly in this business. Yeah, ninety nine point nine percent

1132
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 4: of stuff is going to fail. So then you're like, oh,

1133
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 4: I can just dare to fail and do whatever I

1134
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 4: want and assume that it's going to fail. And if

1135
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 4: it happens to be that point one percent of a

1136
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: show like Glee, how lucky are you to be a

1137
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 4: part of that thing?

1138
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: I mean the luckiest and then your gods from the

1139
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: get go, you know.

1140
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 4: But I think it's so it was such lightning in

1141
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 4: a bottle for you guys to be a part of

1142
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 4: this thing, and I when I met you, I felt

1143
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 4: like you were handling it with such grace and with

1144
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 4: like your head screwed on straight, which I probably wouldn't have,

1145
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Sometimes I think about if

1146
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 4: somebody loves you had been like because it was like

1147
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: a hit adjacent song, it like had a really viral moment,

1148
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 4: but it was never like I went to like number

1149
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: one on the dance chart, but it never went to

1150
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 4: like radio radio because Arsay didn't service it because they

1151
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 4: didn't want me to be the girl from the viral

1152
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 4: video because they thought that was bad. Viral was bad when.

1153
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: I say yeah, it was at the same time hilarious.

1154
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 4: It was Rebecca back Friday and Chet Smoke or selfie

1155
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 4: and they were like, you're viral. This is bad and

1156
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: I was like, uh oh. And then they didn't send

1157
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 4: my song to radio when everybody was already playing it.

1158
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: And then on my next record when they picked up

1159
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 4: my option, they were like, so we need you to

1160
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 4: have a viral hit, and I was like totally, But

1161
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 4: I think that I think I think sometimes like if

1162
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 4: somebody loves you had been the biggest hit in the

1163
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 4: world and I was, I was twenty one, like I

1164
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: might be dead, you know what I mean?

1165
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: Like wow, I really wow.

1166
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: I didn't have my head screwed ons right, I was

1167
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 4: a bab I mean just a little bet.

1168
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 3: We're just so like on a like ill equipped, Like

1169
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 3: nobody equips you for that, you know that part of

1170
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: the industry.

1171
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: So it's it's tis what.

1172
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 4: Babies too, you know. That's why I was so surprised

1173
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: that you were.

1174
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 2: So impressive though, because you've built your stuff on your own.

1175
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: Do you know what, like you had a hit on

1176
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: your own or hit adjacent viral moment at twenty one.

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00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is accident.

1178
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.

1179
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for like just being so open

1180
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: and sharing and we love you so much and we

1181
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: really appreciate you, and and I thank you.

1182
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1183
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: On tour, my.

1184
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 4: New song Sweat just came out. Make sure you stream it.

1185
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 4: Ye Run was the first single runs Pretty Fun.

1186
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: Too Wednesday album'y Pride.

1187
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna do an EP. I don't think I'm

1188
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: going to do. I'm going to build up to an

1189
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 4: album right, No, no album announce yet.

1190
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Speaker 2: Just thank you for delivering your studio today to be

1191
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 2: here with us. We love it.

1192
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 4: I know I'm going to make more listen to some.

1193
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: More Beyonce dance classes when I'm back, say us Okay,

1194
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you, Thank you, miss you already.

1195
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: Well that was fun.

1196
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: I told you we could gab well. Thank you Betty

1197
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: so much for joining us, Thank you for listening. I

1198
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: just love when these things happen. I know, like I

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Speaker 2: love when it lined up that one of her songs

1200
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Speaker 2: was in the show Energist. Yes, it was like when

1201
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: Demi ended up on the show. It was like, how

1202
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: is this happening? I know, I love it. Thanks Betty,

1203
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. And that's what you really missed.

1204
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and

1205
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,800
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Speaker 2: us a review and leave us five stars. See you

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Speaker 2: next time.