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Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime.

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Speaker 1: I'm one of your hosts, Lea Lamar, and we have

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Speaker 1: with us and our wonderful, beautiful co host Teddy Melancho. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for the for the positive intro today.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little I have to be honest, I'm a

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Speaker 1: little down in the dumps today. I know, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to kind of just hop right into this special Halloween

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Speaker 1: flavored episode flavored just let me live, Let me live.

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Speaker 1: But I do feel like we have some pressing issues

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Speaker 1: we should discuss before we go into the Halloween murders.

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Speaker 1: You mean my day so far? Yeah, that's That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about so pretty much today, as you know,

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Speaker 1: we I woke up, it was like a normal day, um,

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Speaker 1: took the kids and worked out, took the kids to

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Speaker 1: the bus, and then all of a sudden, I started

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Speaker 1: getting these text messages from people like is to read okay?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you talking about? And then

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Speaker 1: I saw the the you know, the news outlets that

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Speaker 1: she her house had been broken into and just her

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Speaker 1: kids were home and that she was robbed. And so

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Speaker 1: I spent the morning over there at her house and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to share anything private from her, and

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Speaker 1: but it's just one of those things. It's just so heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: And I know when people say that you're on a

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Speaker 1: reality TV show, like you signed up for this, and

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Speaker 1: that's the part that's so devastating. It's like nobody signs

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Speaker 1: up to have to be violated in that way, and

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Speaker 1: it's just so so frightening, especially involving your kids. And

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Speaker 1: you know, she's just so strong, and I just my

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Speaker 1: heartbreaks for her. And of course, like I have to

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Speaker 1: like get in an Instagram fight with somebody over it

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Speaker 1: because I saw that a girl that used to be

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Speaker 1: on The Housewives posted some thing that put a portion

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Speaker 1: of her address on it, and I was just like

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Speaker 1: why why do that? And I mean, I think we

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Speaker 1: talked so much about real crimes here, but like people

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Speaker 1: really do go on Instagram to try to get information

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Speaker 1: on people. So it's like you don't need like people

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Speaker 1: whenever they get mad and they post somebody's phone number,

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Speaker 1: they post a part of an address, it's like you

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Speaker 1: don't know what the repercussions could actually be, and it's

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Speaker 1: just it's really sad. And I think, you know, we

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Speaker 1: we talked about a lot of crimes here and we

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Speaker 1: we'd love to dig into it, but no matter what,

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Speaker 1: like I would never in a million years I think

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Speaker 1: to try to like is it docs someone? Is that

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Speaker 1: what it's called? When? Yeah, I mean because people, you know, robbers, anybody,

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Speaker 1: they know how to how to find extra information. And

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Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, it's just it made me

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Speaker 1: sad and it made just like the intrusion on her privacy,

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Speaker 1: but also just how scared she must have been and like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's been my day, um, which is all a

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Speaker 1: much worse day for her, But I just I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it just made me feel sad. But it also made

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Speaker 1: me think about like all the different ways that we

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Speaker 1: all have to protect start protect ourselves in this city,

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Speaker 1: like turning our alarms on being there, like just because

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Speaker 1: crime is prevalent no matter where, like no matter if

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Speaker 1: we're sluice and we're digging into it, it can happen

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Speaker 1: to anyone at any time. And it doesn't mean just

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Speaker 1: because you're in the public eye. Yeah that's that's really

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Speaker 1: dont you are a great friend, And through it all,

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Speaker 1: your hair looks amazing, which I think needs to be said.

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Speaker 1: And we have our One of our producers, Dmitri here

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Speaker 1: with us, who hasn't commented on your hair yet. I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to point that out, but I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for that you have beautiful hair. In our

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Speaker 1: producer Dmitri is here who doesn't have hair. Maybe that's

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Speaker 1: why I didn't compliment, because he's like, would you want

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Speaker 1: to buy some of its extensions? You can borrow some

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Speaker 1: of mine. I think even if I had complimented your hair,

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Speaker 1: which I think looks fantastic, at some point, I think

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Speaker 1: Leo would have taken me down and been like, well,

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Speaker 1: how what do you know about hair? So that's why

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Speaker 1: I was your comments. You know what, I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to all of the comments that that say those

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Speaker 1: vapid bitches speaking of nightmares my ex boyfriend called so

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Speaker 1: that's where I'm at should also be considered a crime,

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Speaker 1: which one. I mean, The list is long. I posted

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Speaker 1: a tweet as a joke that said squid game, except

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Speaker 1: all the players are my exes, and I meant it

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Speaker 1: in the fact that all of my ex boyfriends were poor,

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Speaker 1: but everyone just took it as the fact that I've

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Speaker 1: dated four and fifty six people. You know, the number

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Speaker 1: is significantly higher. Like, okay, well that's the clip right there, right,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Mama four calls Leo Lamar. Pretty sure we can.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna claim it's three like everybody else. No, No,

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Speaker 1: it's a four thousand, five and sixty. They just missed

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Speaker 1: a zero there, just one decimal over. She's a cal

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Speaker 1: ripping of dating the iron Man over here. Thank you, Dmitri. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: great iron Man reference. You've not iron Man d C.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that you when you when you're crossing

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Speaker 1: that you've dated four thousand guys. I'm an olympian. That

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Speaker 1: is somewhat criminal that you've dated four thousand and yet

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Speaker 1: we still have to call all of them. And next

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Speaker 1: it's criminal that I've dated over four thousand people and

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Speaker 1: I'm still single. That's not one ring. You know what.

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Speaker 1: Don't show your ring while I'm here. No ring showing.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, okay, Teddy's gonna be over at my house

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Speaker 1: and be like, oh okay, anyway you guys, um, what

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Speaker 1: are you going for? Is for Halloween? What's your costume? Well?

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Speaker 1: Are we talking to me? I mean we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Dmitri later, so yeah, yeah, we haven't led Dmitri we

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Speaker 1: haven't announced that he's allowed to speak. He's just spoken.

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Speaker 1: He's just taking it upon himself. Well for what, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing an adult thing one time, and we are. It's

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Speaker 1: a fire and ice theme, So I'm gonna be fire

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Speaker 1: and my husband's gonna be ic even though he told

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Speaker 1: me I picked him out a terrible costume. And then

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Speaker 1: with the kids, Slate is going to be Cruella and

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Speaker 1: then we're all her Dalmatians. Wait, I'm devastated because I'm

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Speaker 1: going as Cruella and I have been waiting for a

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Speaker 1: hundred and one man here to go with Dalmatian. With

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Speaker 1: your track record, you should be able to find him.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you could just cast some out, like

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Speaker 1: just pay them each a dollar and they'd come running. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is I'm devastated. I'm devastated to hear this news.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a really original idea. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: well apparently it wasn't. Corrella was a big movie this year.

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Speaker 1: It was you know, had a good soundtrack, so I know, well,

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Speaker 1: this is the first time I feel like I'm going

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Speaker 1: as a hot villain. You know, everywhere every year I

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Speaker 1: try to go with something creative, and this year I

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Speaker 1: decided just go hot, which is exciting for me. That's exciting.

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Speaker 1: It leads to a lot more opportunity, which apparently I

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Speaker 1: didn't get into the five thousand up. I always think

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Speaker 1: it's weird when people are like, oh, look at that

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Speaker 1: sexy cow cat its like, oh her utters. I feel

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Speaker 1: personally victimized by that comment. We should start, We should

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Speaker 1: start the show. You have to start. I'm sorry, d Meetri.

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Speaker 1: Did you have a thought about how we're running our podcast?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much so. I was just trying to

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Speaker 1: save us from going down to part that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: cut out? Should we He's like, guys, we're let's save

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Speaker 1: that editing for later. Um, all right. The first one

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Speaker 1: we got to talk about is Ronald O'Brien has been

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Speaker 1: called the man who killed Halloween and the candy Man.

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Speaker 1: On Halloween and nine seventy four and eight year old

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Speaker 1: Timothy O'Brien returned to his Houston home from a long

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Speaker 1: night of trick or treating. His father, Ronald gave him

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Speaker 1: one last piece of candy, a pixie stick, which, of

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Speaker 1: course Timothy eight instantly. Within moments, the boy was vomiting,

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Speaker 1: changing a story multiple times, police learned that Ronald was

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Speaker 1: responsible for his son's death, as he had poisoned the

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Speaker 1: candy with cyanide. How sick is psychopath like so and

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Speaker 1: it turned out that he had a life insurance policy

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Speaker 1: on his on his child. That's next level. I mean. Also,

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Speaker 1: how can you be called the man who killed Halloween?

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Speaker 1: Of Halloween is alive? And well, well, I mean he

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Speaker 1: killed on Halloween. Maybe they just forgot them. Also, so

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Speaker 1: you guys know about candy Man. If you say candyman

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Speaker 1: five times in the mirror, what happens, right, Michael Keaton appears?

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Speaker 1: Oh now they have to keep it in make sense.

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Speaker 1: The thing you Dmitri, I really appreciate you. But you know,

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Speaker 1: a man with a bloody hook comes and murders you.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the game? Is that? What? Really? What you say?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was like you say something red red.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you like turn out a different that's

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Speaker 1: a different one. What is that one? I think that's

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Speaker 1: red Rum? Or like bloody Mary red Rum. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: bloody Mary. I don't know. But either way, all the

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Speaker 1: fun ways to get married, I mean married murder Mary.

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Speaker 1: I think that might be the saddest thing we're gonna

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Speaker 1: here today. Ok Okay, that's number one, all right. You

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Speaker 1: I'd rather you mess it up. Thank thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm Leo Lamar. I'm here to mess everything up today. Alright.

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Speaker 1: So our second Halloween murder two friends lesliean Mazza, and

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Speaker 1: They were stabbed late one Halloween night. Okay, Leslie and

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Speaker 1: Adrianne and their friend Lauren. Mean, So did this happen

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Speaker 1: or treaters in Napa, California. This is hallowe Night two

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Speaker 1: thousand four. Means awoke to a scream from the upstairs bedrooms,

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Speaker 1: you so much. I would. But also she has no

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Speaker 1: survivors guilt. She was just like, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 1: you know, But instead she decided to bounce. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: they were both twenty six. They were stabbed to death,

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Speaker 1: told anyone his motive, which is so odd, especially because

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Speaker 1: about murders who aren't actually the murderers. So this is

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Speaker 1: he might not even have been the murderer. Um, that

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Speaker 1: seems like a strange thing to confess, especially because he's

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of an odd case. But also

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Speaker 1: if I was an employer and I googled her name

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Speaker 1: and saw she just bounced on her friends. I feel

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Speaker 1: like she he had to have a motive, he just

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Speaker 1: didn't share. Maybe it was a lover's core allegedly, who

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Speaker 1: knows lover's quarrel? Yeah, like it could have been that

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Speaker 1: they were all mixed up in something to get who knows?

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Speaker 1: Also nice to be in love? Well, not on this

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Speaker 1: Halloween night, Not on this Halloween with Leslian and Adrian.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear the Valentine show. Well, Dmitri,

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Speaker 1: to realize that he stayed in the hotel a year

427
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: prior to her even being there. They would never even

428
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: overlap time frames. But he was then accused of being

429
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: the person that murdered her, and it got to the

430
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: point where he was so attacked and so people were

431
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: just you know, all over him that he got to

432
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: the point where he tried to commit suicide and then

433
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: he had to be institutionalized. So that's where they also

434
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: say that like if you stay in that hotel, there's

435
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: just so much that carries Yeah, you're cursed. But also

436
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: where this conspiracy theory has led to somebody else having

437
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: major mental health issues and he didn't even know her.

438
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: I just want to say, this is very one of

439
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: you to make a case about a woman about a

440
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: man that has nothing to do with this. He was

441
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: dying inside. I'm watching him wanting to say anything, but

442
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: in true fashion, Dmitri has not been given permission to

443
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: speak yet. Or he's just smart and to know when

444
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: to gosh of water. Let's go a little water break. Okay,

445
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: let's go back to the elevator. So the elevator footage

446
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: is the last footage they have of her alive. And

447
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: like I said, and like you've mentioned the tape was

448
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: obviously tampered with. The time stamp is unreadable, which is

449
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: done intentionally. There is clearly pieces of footage removed from it,

450
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: and we can't tell at what piece the footage is

451
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: because if you play it at different speeds, it could

452
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: seem normal, and if you play at other speeds that

453
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: seems super abnormal. So the elevator footage shows her going

454
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: into the elevator, pushing a bunch of buttons. Already bizarre, right,

455
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: she looks at the elevator, She moves back into a corner,

456
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: then she steps outside, waves her hands about kind of

457
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: like a weird majestic way where it looks like she's

458
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: conjuring a spirit. Something odd is happening. The hand gestures

459
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: are weird. The elevator doesn't go anywhere, so we don't

460
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: know if that means someone's pushing the elevator button holding

461
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: it there. We just we actually have a lot of answers.

462
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: We actually have a lot of questions, and no answers

463
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 1: is what I meant to say, Okay, and then we

464
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't think at any point she seems scared, but

465
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: we do see her kind of speaking and jumping out

466
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: of the elevator and then vanishing. You have to note

467
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: the speaking thing. Her parents said that that is something

468
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: that had happened with her in the past when she

469
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: was struggling and she would go off for medication, she

470
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: would start to, uh have a psychosis where she thought

471
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: she saw things, and so anything is possible. But I'm

472
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: just we have to we have to show all the sides.

473
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: And you know, we appreciate the fact that you are

474
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: emotionally available enough to share all the sides, because I

475
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm not um so okay. So now one of the

476
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: theories is and if you go and read it, and

477
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: you're a readitor like me, you will notice that the

478
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Elevator game is something that everyone brings up. What is

479
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: the Elevator game? You ask? Thank you so much for asking.

480
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. So the Elevator gave originated in Korea,

481
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: and it's actually a game that's played thirty three thousand

482
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: times a month a month. And now when I tell

483
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: you what it is, you're gonna wonder why there are

484
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: thirty three thousand disturbed people out there trying to play

485
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: this game. Okay, The Elevator game is a game where

486
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: you have to play a alone and be you have

487
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: to play with a building that has at least ten

488
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: stories in it and has an elevator. Those are that

489
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: that's the bare minimum, and if you ascend and descend

490
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: in a very specifical or or in the elevator to

491
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: certain floors, there is a chance that you get transported

492
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: to another dimension. Now, this other dimension, what is it?

493
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 1: Like you ask? Not heaven? It is literally hell. So

494
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: people have said that when you get out on the

495
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: tenth floor, which if you make it to the tenth floor,

496
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: the elevator will choose whether or not you get to

497
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: go to the other dimension. If you go there, there's

498
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: a red glowing cross in the distance. It's super dark.

499
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: It seems like our world but slightly different, and there's

500
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: nothing to gain besides being lost in this other dimension

501
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: and just knowing that it exists. There are literally no

502
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: pros cons. Teddy, I'm asking you not to do this.

503
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: This is a no for me on my my ex.

504
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: Let me just share really quickly. Um, shall we give

505
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: your ex's names, like just even fay ones, because seem

506
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: like there's one person and like we clearly it's not.

507
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Maybe we picked the top five and just named them,

508
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: but just thing is that, like, I really haven't dated

509
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: that many people. Sure, and I'm a natural blonde. Come on,

510
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: natural blonde. They've never had continue See, this is one

511
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: of those times where I'm not supposed to say anything,

512
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: so I would thank you, Dmitri. So I was telling

513
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: my X about this game and we just talked about it,

514
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: and he refused to tell me that he wouldn't not

515
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: play it. So and I was begging. I was like,

516
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you about it, but I'm not telling

517
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: you to do it. Please don't do it. Do not

518
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: play this game. Whatever you do, do not play this game.

519
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: And he could not be talked out of it. He

520
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: didn't end up playing it, but he did end up

521
00:31:55,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: in the hospital with a bowel obstruction. No, not dimension,

522
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: But hold on, who's telling us what this looks to?

523
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: A boul dimension? Are these people? Like do people come

524
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: back from this? Like how do we know what they see? That? This?

525
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: The whole thing sounds ridiculous. And he didn't even play it,

526
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: but something bad happened to him. So what I'm We'll

527
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: tell you a little bit more about the game, but

528
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: please don't play the game. Don't go looking for When

529
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: we were younger, and we like taught ourselves how to faint,

530
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: and then everybody's like, whatever you do, don't do the

531
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: fainting game. You guys never did this. It was like

532
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: a big thing. Well I'm so much older than you.

533
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: But in the eighties where you like lean over and

534
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: you go and then you have your friend push on

535
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: you and then you faint. It was like a big

536
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: We had to have like a memo go out in

537
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: our school that like, we were not if we found

538
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: out that any of us were making each other faint,

539
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: that we would get suspended. Did anyone die from that?

540
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: No one that I know, But then that came out

541
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: that somebody died, so then we all stopped. But I mean,

542
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: what the hell? But that's why I'm worried. Like people

543
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: here and try things, but thankfully I don't think this exists.

544
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: This dimension to the instructive bowel is enough to scare

545
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: enough people off. I'm not trying this. If the if

546
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: the alternate dimension didn't that will well was it the

547
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: alternate dimension or did he just swallow his feelings for me?

548
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: I think you're so blinded by love that you're willing

549
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: to give that. Maybe he just had a bowel instruction

550
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: like need maybe he had like a gerbil fetish. I mean, okay,

551
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: gross number one, I don't know. You don't remember that

552
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: story as someone who has maybe allegedly had sex with

553
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: this person. I don't think he has a devil allegedly,

554
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: But I'm disturbed. I don't. I don't. I don't know.

555
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: If I can go on, I think that might be best. Well,

556
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: how we have to end with hotels? So but I

557
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: have to ask you guys, would if they reopen, would

558
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: you guys ever stay there? No? Okay, I would go

559
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: if we if we went and did a podcast from there,

560
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: I would do that. But I wouldn't just like go

561
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: there by myself. But we couldn't above the room. Apparently

562
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: the higher up the rooms, the more dangerous the place was,

563
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: and the the less the police would come if they

564
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: said this was like on the tenth floor, the leventh

565
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: floor or whatever, because that they've got more dangerous and

566
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: they were more expensive less expensive the higher up. Can

567
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: I just really briefly say, if you google the elevator

568
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: game and you check out what people have said, they

569
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: were like, I'm haunted, I'm so help me, let me

570
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: just so so I'm not even I'm not going to

571
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: tell you what order to go in in the elevators,

572
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: but all I will tell you is that apparently you

573
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: get onto the fifth floor, and you are not supposed

574
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: to look at a woman who gets on the elevator.

575
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: She may or may not get on the elevator, but

576
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: if she does, you are not allowed to look at her.

577
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: And if you look at her, and apparently she may

578
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: or may not appear with someone, you know, she'll try

579
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: to talk to you, she might ask her help, she

580
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: might start screaming. You don't know how she'll appear. But

581
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: once you look at her, you're basically like damned for eternity.

582
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: And there are lots of people on YouTube who claim

583
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: to be doing this game, but none of your electronics

584
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: will work. And if they bring electronics in then it

585
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: doesn't actually work. So especially if you go in they're

586
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: saying I I really, but people say that this woman

587
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: they think, so essentially they go to the tenth floor

588
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: or not, but they go back to the first floor

589
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: and you get let out, and then your everyday life

590
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: is haunted if you have if you have played the

591
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: game wrong. And on the internet, everything on the internet

592
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: is true. One million I mean upset that we don't

593
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: believe when people say, if you go to the fifth floor, Um,

594
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: but woman may or may not appear. It's like any

595
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: time you leave it may or may not. It's like, okay,

596
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: so you could just be making it up. Yeah, but

597
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: that's like I may or may not come to the

598
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: dinner you invited me to. But I elevator games start

599
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: at the Hotel Cecil. No, it started in Korea many

600
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: many moons ago. It's just something that they thought she

601
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: was playing. They thought she was playing out so when

602
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: they when she was speaking, they thought that she was

603
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: speaking to the woman on the fifth floor and we

604
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: couldn't see her, and that she entered, and that she

605
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: was raptured, I guess, or taken by this evil demon

606
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: and then put into the water tank and murdered by

607
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: this evil spirit. Do you also find it odd that

608
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: the night stalker stayed at the Hotel Cecil? Yeah? I

609
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: find it all that Richard ramras Um, can you let

610
00:36:53,719 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: me be wrong? No, ramerous god, I mean that guy

611
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: would come back to the hotel covered in blood. He

612
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: was sentenced to death nineteen times, Like if you've been

613
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: sentenced to death nineteen times? Pretty sure, you're going straight

614
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: to hell. And he I just looked at up. He

615
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: died into cancer of cancer. Yeah, he might actually be

616
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: Satan himself. He was. They did a bunch of movies

617
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: on him where they made him really look like he

618
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: was really good looking too. Why do you always do that?

619
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't glamorize murder. I I absolutely do not understand.

620
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: I mean, speaking of hot, I wish I didn't think

621
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: Ed Gaen was hot. Stop. I can't with Ed Dean.

622
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: I know I like the transition though, but I really

623
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: I there were parts when I was listening and now

624
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna regret saying this, there was parts when I

625
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: started listening to some of the podcasts about Ed Dean

626
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: and reading about him where I felt really sad the

627
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: way he was raised. Do you guys know who Ed

628
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: Gaine is? I'm sure Leo wants to do his official

629
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, no, no, we all know who

630
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Ed Gaine is. But I do think and by we

631
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: all know, I mean not all of us know. And Teddy,

632
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: we would love for you us, We would love for

633
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: you us, We would love for you to introduce him

634
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: to us. However, I think let's just take a quick

635
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back to ed Gaine. How

636
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: does that sound for everyone? That sounds good? Okay, time

637
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: to go pp p RB. Sorry to me. I mean

638
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: we could just say we're taking breaking whatever you need

639
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: to do during that time. It is cool. We don't

640
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: have to say that. But maybe some people need to

641
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. Like your ex boyfriend with the

642
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: bat obstruction. He couldn't go to the bathroom. He was

643
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: considab That's how I know. We were just like old

644
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: for app brothers. I'm like, you're letting me know you

645
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: can't go to the bathroom. I mean, this is just

646
00:38:45,560 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: it's over. Romance is dead. So eyes were back and

647
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: we're all having a little laugh because I was chatting

648
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: with them about how disgusting this picture was of me

649
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: that was posted, and he was like, I think you

650
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: look good, and I said I looked like one of

651
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: Ed Geen's lampshades. For those of you don't know Ed Geene, well,

652
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: his backstory was he grew up in a repressive household

653
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: controlled by a dominant mother. Following her death in nineteen

654
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: forty five, his mental health got worse and worse, and

655
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: Geen was apprehended as a suspect in a nineteen fifty

656
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: seven murder. The investigation of his home yielded a highly

657
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: disturbed man who kept human organs and fashion clothing and

658
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: accessory out of body parts and skin. Yeah, he spent

659
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: the rest of his life institutionalized. His story began fueling

660
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: the inspiration of such famous movies movie characters as Norman

661
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: Bates from Psycho, Buffalo Bill from Signs of the Lambs,

662
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: and leather Face from The Texas Chainsaw Master. Which is

663
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: why we're talking about this on our Halloween episode because

664
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: how creepy is that? And also feel free to weigh

665
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: in if you guys think that my face looks like

666
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: one of Edgean's lampshades. Oh maybe he was just very

667
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: fashion forward. And I think I think ed Geane would

668
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: love to have your type of face on a lampshade.

669
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: But I don't think God Jemitri is this compliment Cheddy

670
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: Jay is this compliment Teddy in the scariest way possible.

671
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: And I'm stand on a lamp shade and fairness, you

672
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: set you set the conversation up this way. It's not

673
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: like I was like, Hey, do you want to talk

674
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: about human lampshades? You guys said it there, and I

675
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: just said, you're making it seem like you have no

676
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: control over your thoughts and words. What should I say here? Wait? Okay? Also,

677
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: I want to highlight the fact that ed Gean had

678
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: a very controlling religious mother, because I do think that

679
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: I will be this type of mother, and therefore I

680
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have children. But you said that you hated

681
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: the suburbs so you couldn't heat. She moved their family

682
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: out from like even like a little small town that

683
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: they lived in, out to like far far far, into

684
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: this farm area where she was controlling. He wasn't allowed

685
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: to have friends. Anytime he brought a friend over, she

686
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: would tell him all the reasons why they couldn't be friends.

687
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: So the only person he really had any relationship was

688
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: with her. And he had an alcoholic father, who correct

689
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, ended up passing away or no

690
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: longer lived with I can't even remember. But the point

691
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: is like, which always brings me back to the other

692
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: questions of like was he born that way or was

693
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: this because of something that you know? Growing up the

694
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: way he did? You know they say superheroes aren't made,

695
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: they're born. Well, I'm not sure. We call ed Dean

696
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: a super superhero, and and I was gonna say in

697
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: super villains are also not born. There made I think, Look,

698
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: there's a through line of all of these serial killers,

699
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: John Wayne gaycy Gary Ridgeway, ed Geane, Robert Durst, Jeffrey Dahmer.

700
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: They all had very disturbed childhoods and very um terrifying

701
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: upbringings where either their parents had depression or bipolar or

702
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: attempted suicide or murdered or did commit suicide or super Yeah,

703
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: there's always some sort of through line between all of

704
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: these people, and most of them were never offered any

705
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: sort of help, or didn't receive any or were told

706
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: to like to suppress it and cover it up, as

707
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: most of us are told. I have a problem when

708
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: you lump yourself back in with the serial killers we're

709
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: talking about. I really I have to look down when

710
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: it happens, because I know my reaction is not going

711
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: to be the best. So it's best just I look

712
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: down and pretend I'm focusing on the next thing, my

713
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: next transition. Okay, Okay, but I will say this, this

714
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: ed So ed Geen is, like you said, he inspired

715
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: a lot of movie characters and he because he would

716
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: dress up, he would wear the skins of these other

717
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: people and skulls and pretend to be his mother, which

718
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: is so mortifying. And he left her room exactly the

719
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: way it was when she died. So that's where the

720
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: Norman Bates then comes in. He left it it was pristine,

721
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: and the rest of his house was in shambles. Put

722
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: the lotion in the basket. Somethinking about that too. I

723
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: think I don't know if you guys, have you ever

724
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: heard of the Madonna horror complex now, so the Madonna

725
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: work complex. Lots of men I've dated have had this.

726
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: It is, so I'm just gonna keep saying Madonna work.

727
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: So Madonna work complex is when men had a very

728
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: complicated relationship with their mother growing up, and they see

729
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: the mother or the person that they are in a

730
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: relationship with as the respected figure, and then they see

731
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: all other women as quote unquote horrors or people they

732
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: can have sex with, and then there is a disconnect

733
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: between being able to be romantically interested in someone that

734
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: you are physically interested in. And this I feel like

735
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: it's a very extreme case of that, where he respected

736
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: his mother so much and then you know he he

737
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: actually did admit to murdering at least one of the

738
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: women that they right, or did he admit to both murders. Well,

739
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: they found the body in his the one in his house, right,

740
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: and then he kept, you know, being found insane and

741
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: pleading insanity. But they found skulls, lambshades, chair upholsteries, waste

742
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: baskets all made from human skin, uh, skinned women hanging

743
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: on the bedroom wall, belt made of nipples, skulls on

744
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: the bedposts, leggings, a box full of women's private parts.

745
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: And he also admitted to digging up women. And so

746
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: obviously he had a very complicated relationship with women because

747
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't murdering men from what I know. No, it

748
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: was always women. It's just mind. Nobody was going to

749
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: be measuring up to his mother or even though his

750
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: mother was a disaster, oh so disturbing. So he murdered

751
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: Baronice Warden. She was reported missing from her hardware store

752
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: and the cash register was also missing, and then they

753
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: just followed a trail of blood. Um, so he also

754
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: worked there. Correct, It sounds like that's true. Yeah, sounds

755
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: like it sounds like Teddy's on it. Teddy did her homework. Um.

756
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: And then they authorities went to his house that night

757
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: and found her headless and gooded, and her body was

758
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: hanging from the ceiling, which is disturbing to say the least. Uh.

759
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: And he also admitted to practicing necrophilia. So again, I

760
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: think we can very much chalk this up to an

761
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: extreme case of Madonna warr complex, among other things, and

762
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: mental illness. And um, he also murdered, didn't he murder?

763
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: He murdered another woman? Yeah, oh oh, Hogan, he murdered. Um,

764
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: you guys, I'm very with it today. I can see

765
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: a good thing. Thank you so much. Um, he murdered

766
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: another woman. And it's interesting because it was clear that

767
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: he was devoted to his mom, but he literally almost

768
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: never left home or dated other women except to murder people.

769
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: The fact that anybody was dating him, I don't know

770
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: if that is that confirmed. No, No, that he never

771
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: dated women. Okay, I was like, I know, but even

772
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: to murder them. I wouldn't know that we would call

773
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: this dating. I mean, you said I never dated women

774
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: when he murdered them, so I was like a fun

775
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: first date. O, my god, what point? Like, I just

776
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's considered a date lea deceased. I

777
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: don't don't, just don't respond to that, please, solely to

778
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: bring this all back into Halloween and Dmitri, can you

779
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: guys share your favorite Hollywood cult classic movies? I gotta

780
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: spell on you and now you're mind? Do you guys

781
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: know what that's from? No? Hocus Pocus, Oh hocus focus.

782
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: They haven't even shown that this year on my t V.

783
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: But the first of all, Bettman, there is a goddess

784
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: in my opinion of love love Sarah, Sarah Jessica Parker

785
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: early days loved her. I still love her. She's the best. Um. Okay,

786
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: so that's your favorite? What's your favorite? Dmitri? I don't know.

787
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: I think I I did like Psycho um, but I

788
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: think a Nightmare in Elm Street I thought was cool

789
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: because I liked the crossover between dreams and reality. Dream

790
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: Dream Dream Dream Dream? Are we making a CD here?

791
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: What's going on? I did you say we're making a CD?

792
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm old? Okay, Eddy, why did you just become a

793
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: hundred years I'm a d This new eight track is

794
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: going to be fantastic. My first car was a Gremlin

795
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: and I had an eight track in it. Oh, Gremlins,

796
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: that was a good movie. I never saw it. You

797
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: guys are going to probably be a little upset with me,

798
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: considering I am one of the hosts of a true

799
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: crime podcast. I do not like horror movies. I like

800
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: true crime documentaries. I do not like horror movies. So

801
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: I have never seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The first horror

802
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: movie that I saw was Halloween, the New Halloween, because

803
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: my friend Kyle's in it, and I was so frightened

804
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: the whole time. I couldn't sleep all night. Like I

805
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: think you either have like, and she did an amazing job.

806
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: I think the movie is great. I just can't watch

807
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: them and sleep at night. But why is there something

808
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: wrong with me that I can watch true life ones? Yes?

809
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't seem disturbing. Yes, And also I just

810
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: want to let you know I I'm going to be

811
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: very vulnerable right now and tell you guys that I

812
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: used to work in a Haltday Haunted where you wanted

813
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: like at the Universal where you scared people? No, no, no,

814
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: uh did you ever see Sleep No More? In New

815
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: York City the Immersive Theater experience. I'm a must to

816
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: miss that one. Teddy just shamed the entire theater industry

817
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: with one centis I'm like, I saw a chorus line,

818
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: all right, well, you're not invited to my Broadway show.

819
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: So um it was an immersive theater show and it

820
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: ran for September and October. This was a few years

821
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: back now, obviously pre pandemic, but um, it was very

822
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: interesting learning about how to scare people because there are

823
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: lots of different types of horror, their psychological horror. There's

824
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: easy scares, like something you would call it jump scare,

825
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: where you literally just pop out and scare someone you know,

826
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: and those often are scarier to me than a psychological

827
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: scare in the moment. But a psychological scare stays with

828
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: you forever. And that's why Teddy is afraid of horror

829
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: movies because they are like psychological scares. But murder documentaries

830
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: are kind of like jump scares where it just gets

831
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: you in the moment and you're like, ah, interesting, and

832
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: then you forget about it. But then psychological horrors stay

833
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: with you forever, and I think that's why you feel

834
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: like you're part of it and it never leaves you.

835
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: Well that makes sense, but I can tell you that

836
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: ever since joining this podcast. My husband's like, I am

837
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: so frightened. I come home and you've got nope, like

838
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: papers everywhere I see pictures of killers. You're like, look

839
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: like you haven't slept in weeks. Like He's like, I know,

840
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: like you're plotting to murder me. I'm like, guy, like

841
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: especially when Lee it throws Texas chainsaw massacre at me

842
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: last minute, knowing I never saw it. I had no

843
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: idea who genis. Okay, okay, So what's your favorite movie? Teddy?

844
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: You fit like a practical magic type of Halloween. Gal.

845
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: That was a creepy movie that was creepy, but like

846
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: it was like a love creepy like that it felt

847
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: more more real to me. I can't like the the

848
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: blood and the guts. I can't do it. I did

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Speaker 1: love Silence of the Lamps. You loved it, I mean

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Speaker 1: I watched it more than once. Oh my god, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Didn't Teddy just say that she can't watch

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Speaker 1: horror films and then she Silence? Which is on to me?

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Speaker 1: Horror films are like when it's gory and bloody. I

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Speaker 1: like psychological thrillers. That's also what my life is. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that next week, guys, because we've run

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Speaker 1: out of time for today. We have yes, oh we

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Speaker 1: didn't even get to the back. We didn't get to

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Speaker 1: the black dial, which gives me more time to research.

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Speaker 1: But also, can you, guys, choose a favor and send

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Speaker 1: us in any of your recommendations for your favorite Halloween

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Speaker 1: movies and we will post them on our Graham because

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Speaker 1: ones that are kids appropriate as well, because for some

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Speaker 1: of you, all moms out there that are like me,

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Speaker 1: but kid appropriate and also the gorious to the gore,

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Speaker 1: I will say that I don't think that there are

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Speaker 1: any horror movies that are appropriate for children. I watched

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Speaker 1: an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark when

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Speaker 1: I was a kid, and I remember telling my mom,

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Speaker 1: I fine, it doesn't upset me, And then of course

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Speaker 1: I wasn't fine, and it did upset me, and I

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Speaker 1: still have recurring nightmares. And it wasn't even that scary,

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Speaker 1: just a child vanished into a vampire's cape for eternity.

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Speaker 1: But other than that, I think it might explain a

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Speaker 1: lot about me as a person and why I am

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Speaker 1: the way I am. This episode was off the chain,

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Speaker 1: saw massacre and I'm I I'm in a place. I

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Speaker 1: was an action when we started, and now I'm really

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Speaker 1: in a place. On that On that note, guys, on

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Speaker 1: that jingle, we have to go for this week, But

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Speaker 1: don't you worry, get back and send into it. Lee

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Speaker 1: is like, I need to get another joke and give it.

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Speaker 1: Give it to me. This is mental illness, the fact

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Speaker 1: that I refuse to let go. I'm like the fact

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Speaker 1: I have a You know how I am with time.

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Speaker 1: I know you're very punctual. Can I just say, everyone,

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Speaker 1: please call in eight six six twenty one crime. That's

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Speaker 1: not the official jingle, but it's our official number. Please

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Speaker 1: call in. Leave us messages. We'll even read. If you

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Speaker 1: think of something clever, we'll even read them and answer them.

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Speaker 1: Why we're here, and that again is eight six six

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Speaker 1: crime twenty one is how old me and Teddy both are,

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Speaker 1: so it'll be easy to remember. Oh why do you

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Speaker 1: have to be I mean, I thought we were getting

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Speaker 1: along today, but now I have to shade me at

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Speaker 1: the end. But yeah, call us you guys, because you

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Speaker 1: already said your first car was a gremlin. No one's

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Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh how hard you are to break

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Speaker 1: up with At the end of the date, I mean

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Speaker 1: a podcast like the ending is so literally it's like

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Speaker 1: pulling Brian Laundry's teeth to get off the phone with

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Speaker 1: you guys. Speaking of which, just real, real fast. They

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Speaker 1: have not let us know if the DNA in the

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Speaker 1: partial remains besides the teeth are whether they are confirmed

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Speaker 1: to be Brian Laundries or not. So we are still

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Speaker 1: waiting at that information, and so stay tuned for next episode.

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Speaker 1: We'll be we'll be digging into that for sure. But

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Speaker 1: please do not leave a voicemail asking me on a date,

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Speaker 1: because if you've listened to this podcast and you still

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Speaker 1: want to date me, there's something wrong with you, and

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Speaker 1: I will not say yes. And we can't count higher

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Speaker 1: than a five thousand. Thank you, bye, ony of you guys.

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Speaker 1: It's real time ground it real time grond I mean,

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Speaker 1: is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything? Or

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Speaker 1: is that just the thing we say? It's a thing

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Speaker 1: we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for

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Speaker 1: more real time crime, only on I Heart Radio.