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Speaker 1: Morning Europe.

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Speaker 2: About to enter the arena and join the battle to.

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Speaker 3: Save America with your host Sean Carnell. Good Evening, America,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Battleground Live. This is the show that kicks

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Speaker 3: ass and takes names in lockshorns with the radical left.

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Speaker 3: We never quit, we never surrender. From sea to shining Sea,

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Speaker 3: in everybody in between. Welcome Patriots on this glorious Thursday

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Speaker 3: in the arena tonight. Is a friend of mine and

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Speaker 3: his name is Nathan Cannastero, and he's the author of

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Speaker 3: an amazing new book called The Mighty Move and it's

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Speaker 3: the USS Cowpins and her epic journey World War two

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be on here a little bit later.

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Speaker 3: But one of the things I'm trying to do now

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Speaker 3: with the show, as the audience's is try to give

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Speaker 3: my platform to great authors who deserve it, and Nathan

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Speaker 3: is certainly one of those people. Folks, Listen. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go too far down this path

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Speaker 3: because we've got a packed show tonight. My daughter's chorus

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Speaker 3: beulate to that. I'm so proud of how hard she's work.

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Speaker 3: But writing a book and getting it published and having

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Speaker 3: And you know, if I can help someone along the way,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna do it. And we're gonna give this platform

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Speaker 3: occasionally to great authors to help them make their book successful. Folks,

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Speaker 3: listen to this. RFK Junior to HHS. I'm very very

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Speaker 3: excited about that. We're going to talk about that here

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Speaker 3: but are you really. With elections coming up, anything might happen,

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Speaker 3: You see, they've got us to a point where we're

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Speaker 1: Okay, folks.

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Speaker 3: RFK to Health and Human Services member of President Trump's Cabinet.

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Speaker 3: This is President Trump's statement, I'm thrilled to announce Robert

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Speaker 3: Kennedy Robert F. Kennedy, Junior, as the United States Secretary

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Speaker 3: of Health and Human Services. For too long, Americans have

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Speaker 3: been crushed by the food industrial complex and drug companies

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Speaker 3: who've engaged in deception, misinformation, and disinformation. When it comes

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Speaker 3: to public health, the safety and health of all Americans

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Speaker 3: HHS will play a big role in helping ensure that

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Speaker 3: everybody will be protected from harmful chemicals, pollutants, pesticide, pharmaceutical products,

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Speaker 3: crisis in this country. Mister Kennedy will restore these agencies

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Speaker 3: to the traditions of gold standard scientific research and beacons

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Speaker 3: I disagree with Robert Kennedy Junior on many, many, many things.

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Speaker 1: Issues, let's just say that. But I'm really happy for him.

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Speaker 3: I'm really I think he's going to do a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: Robert F.

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Speaker 3: Kennedy Junior, to the chagrin of every member of his family.

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Speaker 3: His family wrote him off. The Kennedy family wrote him

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Speaker 3: and that's what this election was all about. And Robert F.

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Speaker 3: Kennedy Junior, with great courage, endorsed Donald Trump. And Donald

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Speaker 3: some sort. But no, Donald Trump went all in. As

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 2: Of course, since two thousand and five, I spend thirty

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Speaker 2: And in August God sent me Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Folks, that to me is very powerful. You know, I

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Speaker 3: so quickly to another cabinet pick here in Pete HeiG Seth.

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Speaker 3: Pete hegg Seth has drawn the ire of the corporate

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Speaker 3: I've known Pete Hegseth for a very very long time

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Speaker 3: He was in the infantry, I was in the infantry.

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Speaker 3: We served in an organization together. He was the CEO

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Speaker 3: And the reason for that is is that, like, for example,

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Speaker 3: This is part of the problem with big bloated bureaucracies.

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Speaker 3: But the Veterans Service organizations get appropriated funds through a

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Speaker 3: And you see my point right, reformers are often not

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Speaker 3: the show. Nathan, Welcome to the show. My friend Nathan

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Speaker 3: Mighty Moo. Obviously, it's the story of the USS Colpins.

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Speaker 3: So Nathan, Nathan by the way, and a profession a

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Speaker 3: I mean that sounds like it's for real, real smart people.

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Speaker 3: Man Like I don't think i'd be able to get

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Speaker 3: So I appreciate this book so much. Man Like, listen,

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it all comes down to family. You know,

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Speaker 4: the Pacific. So before the war, after years like hey,

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Speaker 4: we built these, we paid for these ships. Why don't

436
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 4: these Cleveland class like cruisers, Why don't we just retrofit those?

437
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 4: And the navies like get out of here. And I

438
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 4: was reading this the first time, I'm like, wait, I

439
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 4: had a second. So the commander in chief comes to

440
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 4: you and says, I want you to do this, and

441
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 4: the Navy's like, no, we're not going.

442
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: To do that.

443
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: Sounds a little bit like today, a little bit a

444
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 3: little bit, so he had to.

445
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Speaker 4: He was no stranger to the Navy. He'd actually was

446
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: the number two man in the Navy of World War One,

447
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 4: so you know, he wasn't he wasn't intimidated by the animals.

448
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 4: He came out on a second time he said, yes,

449
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 4: we are going to do this. So they gave him

450
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 4: one ship, the Independence, and then they started losing the

451
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: big carriers. So every time they'd lose one of these

452
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: big carriers, they would queue up a batch of two

453
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 4: or three of these smaller ones to sort of fill

454
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Speaker 4: in essentially until the big ones. The big ones come along.

455
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 4: And you know, this was not a first spring assignment.

456
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 4: If you were a naval academy grad, if you were

457
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 4: the Navy's elite, you know, somebody with combat experience, you're

458
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 4: gonna be on one of the big carriers. So really

459
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 4: a lot of these ships are staffed by officers or

460
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: kind of second tier. They don't have the pedigree necessarily

461
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 4: to you know, to sort of politic their way up

462
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 4: in more important commands and reservists guys like my grandfather.

463
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 4: You know, seventy percent of these ships they put to

464
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 4: sea had never been you know, semers of the crew

465
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 4: had never been to sea before. So guys who were

466
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 4: just essentially they were doing their bit. A lot of

467
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 4: them were volunteers, and they were going to go back

468
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: to civilian life after it was all over. And somehow

469
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 4: this little ship of underdogs at the at the end

470
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 4: of the war was the only US aircraft carrier in

471
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Speaker 4: Tokyo Bay to witness the Japanese render.

472
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Speaker 3: Unbelievable to me because there's I just talked about this

473
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: on the show yesterday about I think it was for

474
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: Veterans Day, about how my tune was like the bad

475
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 3: news bears of my unit. Stories like this I always

476
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: do have a special place in my heart because it's

477
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: like you know, and you tell a lot of the

478
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: stories of the individual sailors, their backgrounds the extent that

479
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: you can in this story, so there are like little

480
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: mini biographies all so you learn about a lot about

481
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: the sailors who were on this ships. And one of

482
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: the things that kind of blew me away is that

483
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: these were reservists. These weren't like I don't know, I mean,

484
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: it seemed like it's just amazing to me how you

485
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: can take Americans and perhaps maybe this is true, I

486
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: don't know that it is, but just Americans in general

487
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: who were just you know, in high school science class

488
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 3: six months before and throw them on a ship and

489
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: watch them do extraordinary things in combat for two freaking years, right,

490
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 3: I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable to me.

491
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 4: Is this guy named George Terrell. He was a marine,

492
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: he was from Boston, he was a board and he

493
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: you know, he was talking. He left a great memoir

494
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: that's in the Library of Congress, and he was sort

495
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 4: of talking about volunteering. You know, he volunteered at seventeen.

496
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: He needed his parents' permission to do it. And after

497
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 4: American in the forties was a country of regions. Like

498
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 4: most people never went very far from their hometowns. If

499
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 4: you were a New Englander, you probably never left New England.

500
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 4: And so these guys are thrown into boot camp and

501
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 4: it's Midwesterners and Southerners and guys from out west and

502
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: farm boys and big city you know, people in big

503
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: cities and they're all mixed together. And you know, he

504
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: was saying, you know, the thing that we all had

505
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: in common was that we knew we were going to win.

506
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 4: We believed in our cause, we never had any doubt

507
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 4: about it. You know, we were just crazy bunch of

508
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: guys and you know, eventually got to know each other,

509
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 4: but we knew we were going to prevail in the end.

510
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 4: So they kind of came into this, you know, with

511
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 4: every the whole deck stacked against them, per Harbor. They're

512
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 4: losing carriers left right, Like, Yeah, we got this, this

513
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 4: is our task. There was another another veteran. He said,

514
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: every generation has our task. This one's ours, and we're

515
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 4: going to do it.

516
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: Holy cow man, Nathan, Okay, can we talk a little

517
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: bit more about that? Yeah, how where do you think

518
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 3: that we're gonna win comes from? Because I mean, obviously

519
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: I'm not a World War two historian, but like my

520
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: family being in the infantry, like the Band of Brothers

521
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: is something that's like very important to me. Band of Brothers,

522
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: that film, we watch it every every winter holiday, so

523
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: after Christmas, before New Year's that's like our family tradition.

524
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: It just captures the essence of the infantry and so

525
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: much of what my experience was like in Afghanistan. Although

526
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: it was World War Two and it was the Battle

527
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: of the Bulge and all these crazy historical battles, but

528
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: they kind of had an attitude like that too. Where

529
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: do you think it comes from?

530
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: How where does that that steal and that metal and

531
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: that courage come from.

532
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a okay, I'm a big believer in

533
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 4: an American exceptionalist too. A. We are a special country

534
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: and we have a gung ho can do spirit, and

535
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: that's what's gotten us as far as it has. And

536
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 4: then when you add Pearl Harbor, someone has stabbed you

537
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: in the back. You didn't see it coming, and you're

538
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: madder than hell, and you're gonna do something about it.

539
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: We're gonna fix this. And so there was this determination

540
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: to do what was right, and it was everyone I

541
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 4: talked to. But you know, don't get me wrong, Like

542
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: when you talk to these guys, Yeah, I asked why

543
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: they joined the navy, Like, well, I didn't want to

544
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: be in the infantry. But that didn't mean they didn't

545
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: believe in the cause. You know, they they were there.

546
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: They were practical people. These were guys that went through

547
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: the Great Depression of the thirties. You know a lot

548
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 4: of them have grown up with with nothing, you know,

549
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 4: in some of our country's worst economic times, and sort

550
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: of this can do make do attitude. You know, they

551
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 4: weren't given a whole lot of advantages. Everything that everything

552
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 4: they earned, everything they had, they had to earn, and

553
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 4: so the idea that there is this big task ahead

554
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: of them and it was going to be hard and

555
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: it was going to be difficult, but it was worth doing.

556
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 4: I think in many ways, that generation was perfectly suited

557
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 4: for that task that they had to face.

558
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: I was just it's amazing to me.

559
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: It's a nice So, so okay, shift gears with me

560
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: a little bit. Tell me, tell us, tell the audience

561
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 3: a little bit about your background, who you are, and

562
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: what led you to this path, your time in Iraq, Like,

563
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 3: just just take us through that.

564
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 4: So, you know, I kind of have a non conventional

565
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: background for an intelligence you know, I grew up all

566
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 4: over the East Coast. I claim Knoxville, Tennessee as my hometown.

567
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: You know, went to the university there. I went to

568
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: law school there, and I kind of had one foot

569
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: in each camp. I like, oh, do I want to

570
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: practice law? And I was I was an intern, you know,

571
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: in the intelligence community at the time. You know, they

572
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: actually do give the interns real work, which was nice.

573
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: So I was sort of giving a feel for what

574
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 4: it was like. And I graduated from law school, I

575
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 4: got into the intel work, and I sort of, you know,

576
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: I was like sixty percent confident, and I wasn't sure

577
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 4: I really wanted to do this. And when I when

578
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: I first started working there, you know, early early in

579
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: my career, they had me working the Falcons and by

580
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: that that point, you know, nobody really cared about the Balkans.

581
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 4: It was like last last week's news. So here's my

582
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: origin story. So I'm sitting there at my desk and

583
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: I'm bored to tears with this bouton Balkans. I'm like,

584
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: do I really want to do this? And I remember

585
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: reading one of our internal newspapers and it was talking

586
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: about a man who you've probably heard of, a Med

587
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: Shahma Sued. Do you know, yes, yes, the line of

588
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: pansher and I didn't know much about.

589
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: After Well, I assassinated the day before nine to eleven.

590
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 4: Well that was my story. So I go keep.

591
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: Going, tell all the go all that this is really

592
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: important for the audience to know, like this is an

593
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: unbelievable story.

594
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

595
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there and I'm reading it and basically,

596
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: you know, there's this story about you know, he had

597
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: been assassinated and by two al Qaeda guys and they

598
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 4: were posing as journalists and so they were going to

599
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: do an interview with him, and the camera was loaded

600
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: with explosives and they get in close and he lines

601
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 4: up for the interview and they detonated and the two

602
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 4: AQ guys are killed, and they kill the suit and

603
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: I'm like I remember at the time thinking I'm like, Okay,

604
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: I know this is important, but I don't know why,

605
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: and I need to figure this out. That was Monday,

606
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: September tenth. Holy Now the next day was September eleventh,

607
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: you know, and obviously what happened happened, and afterwards, Like

608
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 4: first off, I was struck by just how the whole

609
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 4: organization had that sort of sense of purpose that we

610
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: talked about a minute ago, like we're going to do

611
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: something about this. But it was also the idea for me,

612
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: like here are two events. They're separated, are half a

613
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: world away, and they're but they're connected, and only a

614
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: few people could connect the dots and say these are

615
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: why these two things matter. And I was hooked. I

616
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: was like this, this, this is this is my life's

617
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: task here it's INTEL. So that is how I put

618
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: law side and ended up doing. I'm now twenty five

619
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 4: years in the intelligence community.

620
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: So as part of this you find yourself in a

621
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: rack or how'd you end up there? Well, I mean,

622
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: to the extent, will tell me what you can tell us.

623
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: If not, like we could, I totally get it too well.

624
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: You know, my employers have been very gracious about you know,

625
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 4: but the books. I can't go too deep down that

626
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: rabbit hole, but suffice the device to say. You know,

627
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: I'm a military analyst. We do military operations, and at

628
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: the time, I'm like, how many times a generation is

629
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: my country going to go to war? And if it's

630
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 4: going to go to war, I need to be a

631
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 4: part of it, you know, I need to be on

632
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: the team. So I volunteer. I said, hey, I'll do this,

633
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: and I ended up doing the rock for fifteen years.

634
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: What yeah, fifteen years. So a lot of laps there

635
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 4: there and back again, and got to another country pretty

636
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: pretty well. Worked with a lot of great people in uniform,

637
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: you know, folks I'm still friends with today, some of

638
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: whom were uh, you know, got to know General Austin

639
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: very well, you know, he's sect off and a few others.

640
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: General General Rodiero. I worked with him as well, you know,

641
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: the Iron Giant. Yeah, so it was it was a

642
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 4: tremendous You know, Grandpa never talked about his wartime service,

643
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 4: and you know, I hope to be in a position

644
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: where I can talk about mine someday to my kids

645
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: and say, hey, this is what your dad went through.

646
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 4: Because you know, as we said, if you don't preserve

647
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 4: these stories, they get lost.

648
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: That's why I was asking you about it.

649
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: And Nathan, because you've been through a lot and you

650
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: clearly you clearly.

651
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Speaker 1: Love the country.

652
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: You clearly love the people in generations prior who fought

653
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: for this country. I mean, I when I really step

654
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: back and I read something like this and folks are

655
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 3: talking to to Nathan Cannastero, who is the author. Hopefully

656
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: I'm pronouncing your last name right, Okay, oh yeah, I figured,

657
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 3: But like.

658
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: We're talking, he wrote this amazing book called The Mighty Mood.

659
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: So it's a World War two, uh navel story, I mean,

660
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: just for lack of a better just to summarize it,

661
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: but it's extraordinary. You should go get this book right away.

662
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: It's amazing. But Nathan, I think about this all the time,

663
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: that we really are standing on the shoulders of giants

664
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Speaker 3: here in this country, and people who like you said

665
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: eighteen year old kids. We're gonna win, come hell or

666
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: high water. I don't give a damn what it takes,

667
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: but I'm going. I don't want to be left behind.

668
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 3: You and body the same damn spirit. If my cos

669
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: are going to war in my gen No, you said

670
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: it right here, so I know you would never say this,

671
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna say it. But if my country's going

672
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: to war, I'm going with them. And that was, honestly,

673
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 3: it's what I felt after nine to eleven as well.

674
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: I signed up right after nine to eleven. And there

675
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: is unbelievable honor in that. And and like you capture

676
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: in the story of these young men. Really this is

677
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: the only book that captures the essence and the legacy

678
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 3: of these these sailors and something special, man, it's something

679
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: really special.

680
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is a once in a lifetime story,

681
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 4: you know, and the fact that it's it's it's Grandpa's story.

682
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 4: And also you know, I've had an opportunity to meet

683
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Speaker 4: all the family members you know, of some of the

684
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: major characters and talk to them about about their family

685
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 4: and Bob Price and Ed Haley and Clem Clegg and

686
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: these guys, and so I really feel an obligation to them,

687
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 4: you know that their their family members. You know, service

688
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 4: has sort of been overlooked, and there's some amazing stories

689
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Speaker 4: in there. You know. Clem Craig was the ship's greatest

690
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: fighter pilot. He got into an eighteen versus eight dog

691
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: fights and he was the eight and they went out

692
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 4: to look on there was some blips coming in on radar.

693
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: It was sort of like that last scene from the

694
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: original Top Gun, you know. So there's there's four blips

695
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: coming in on radar, and when they get out to

696
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 4: the scene of the fight, it's actually eighteen enemy fighters

697
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: and so Clem shoots down five in a single engagement.

698
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 4: And he only has four hundred rounds of ammunition for

699
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: each of his guns, which gives him about thirty seconds

700
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Speaker 4: of sustained fire. So this guy is in a swirling

701
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Speaker 4: dogfight with twenty six aircraft he's got, I mean, and

702
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 4: lining up a shot and fight those less than five

703
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: minutes and he's shooting down an aircraft in about six

704
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 4: seconds of shooting. That is pretty amazing marksmanship, it is.

705
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 4: And no losses on the American side, They got all

706
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Speaker 4: but one.

707
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Speaker 1: How is that possible? I mean, I didn't. I mean,

708
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Speaker 1: we had antiquated fighters back then, didn't we.

709
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 4: Uh, the Hellcat was a really good fighter for its time.

710
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 4: More Americans flew that aircraft than any other. But there

711
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: was nothing like electronic or guided on it. There was

712
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 4: a site that sort of predicted you know, the you know,

713
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: angles and deflection. But really there was a lot of

714
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: skill involved in you know, you had to put the

715
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Speaker 4: bullets on the target. They're not going to go in

716
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Speaker 4: by themselves, so there was a certain amount of talent,

717
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: determination and ClamWin just a deadly shot.

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Speaker 3: God, you're gonna get all that and so much more

719
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Speaker 3: in this in this book. So okay, one last shifting

720
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Speaker 3: of the gears.

721
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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 1: You got to tell me about the process.

723
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Speaker 3: It took me just so, just so you're just so,

724
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: people are tracking every single publisher rejected out la platune,

725
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: every single one, at least I thought at the time.

726
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: And then I'm like floating in some makeshift Walmart pull

727
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: like crying in my margarita or something because I had

728
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: been rejected, and I got a call from William Morrow,

729
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: who is like editor, was out of town, and said.

730
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Speaker 1: I think we want to get this book. So I

731
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: was like sold, but it took me.

732
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Speaker 3: I mean it took me three or four years to write,

733
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: and then I found a guy like John Bruning to

734
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: teach me how to do it, which, by the way,

735
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: he gave you a great blurb on this book. And

736
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Speaker 3: John Bruning, he's a great guy. Absolutely love that guy,

737
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 3: Absolutely love him. He's he's another military story and helped

738
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: me write out Laplatune. But the process to get that

739
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: book published was brutal and filled with a lot of rejection.

740
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: I got to ask you about yours.

741
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I over wrote the book. It was way too long,

742
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: and I think that shot me in the foot, and honestly,

743
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: I had enough material for two books, and so there

744
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: was this brutal once I realized what the window was,

745
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 4: you know, part of it was just sort of my ignorance, like, hey,

746
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: what are you looking for here? What you know? And

747
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 4: once I figured out it was just get something that

748
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 4: was twice as long as it needed to be, down

749
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Speaker 4: to a manageable length and still sort of preserved that

750
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 4: it actually, you know, said what it needed to and

751
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: didn't skip things. I think that was probably the most

752
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Speaker 4: stress I've been under a really long time.

753
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Speaker 1: It's really difficult, that's hard to do. That's why I'm laughing.

754
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: Would you have to when you're forced to cut and

755
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: throw out aspects of your book, Probably some of the

756
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: parts that you had to cut were some of your

757
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: favorites too.

758
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: I bet it's like picking which, you know, which is

759
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: your favorite child, you know, although you know, I saw

760
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: an interview with a writer the other day and he

761
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 4: was saying something the effective like, listen, if you are

762
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: not leaving good material on the cutting room floor, you're

763
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: doing it wrong. Absolutely, it happens to everybody. And so,

764
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Speaker 4: you know, I overwrote. I think I got thirty five

765
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 4: or forty rejections something like that. And I'm not normally

766
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Speaker 4: one to be pro to an imposter syndrome, but I

767
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: was sort of getting this. I don't think this is

768
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: going to work. Maybe this is not like maybe this

769
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: is Amazon self publishing, or you know, maybe this is

770
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 4: just something I distributed to the families, or you know.

771
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: I was really like midway through this crisis of confidence,

772
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Speaker 4: and a colleague of mine, a guy with the name

773
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: of Charlie Goodyear, who wrote a great biography at President Carfield,

774
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: said hey, you should you should talk to my agent,

775
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: And that was that. So it was the blessed I

776
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: don't use that term lightly blessed that it all came

777
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: together because it was touching. It was touch and go

778
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: there for a while.

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Speaker 3: I love that, love it, man. I mean, you learn

780
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: to play the game and fight to fight, that's what

781
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: you got to do. Publishing is the worst. Honestly, it's tough.

782
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: It is so.

783
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: I mean, I cannot tell you when you put your

784
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: heart and soul into something and then someone comes to

785
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: you and it's like this really sucks.

786
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: This isn't good.

787
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: You're you're actually you're not good enough. It's like like

788
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: you take it right here. I'm taking stuff so personally,

789
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: but you know what the best feeling is?

790
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: What is what?

791
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: The day after you sign a publishing contract, you get

792
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: a rejection letter and you're like, no, it actually said

793
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: something the effective like your writing is no good. This

794
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: will never work, blah blah blah. You need to take

795
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 4: like classes to learn to write. And yeah you might

796
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 4: know that that that felt good, that that that felt good.

797
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, sorry, I know that's not the case. Here.

798
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Speaker 1: Well that's amazing, man, I love it.

799
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So, so Nathan tell people where they can get

800
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: the book and tell people how they can find you,

801
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: how they can support your work.

802
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 4: Sure, so The Mining Move should be available at all

803
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 4: major retailers. It's at Barnes and Noble, It's on Amazon,

804
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 4: Target can get it online. I'm on Twitter, Nathan Canastero.

805
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: I think it's just one solid word Nathan Canisterio or

806
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: Nathancanasteria dot com. But yes, I hope everyone enjoys it. It

807
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: was a labor of love to write. And you know,

808
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 4: I can't tell you, Sean, how much I appreciate the

809
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 4: opportunity to help tell people about my grandfather's story and

810
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: the great Americans with whom he served.

811
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to have guys like you on.

812
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you're altruistic and you do things for the

813
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: right reasons and like you deserved. You deserve all the

814
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: accolades that you get for that you've gotten for this book.

815
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: It's an amazing it's an amazing story. And as a historian,

816
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: I mean, you just did an absolutely amazing job. Micro

817
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: biography is of the actual soldiers who fought. Like the

818
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: technical research that you did on the ships and the

819
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: planes and the guns, and it's just amazing, and thank you,

820
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: so so well done. My friend, You're welcome back anytime

821
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: on the show.

822
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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

823
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: But thanks brother, We'll see us soon. All right, take care,

824
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: thank you everyone, all right, seeing Nathan.

825
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: All right, that is Nathan Canastero. Awesome book. Awesome, awesome guy.

826
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: You should definitely go out and get it. Seriously, folks,

827
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 3: I mean, and I've been trying. I want to give like, look,

828
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 3: the Mighty move is what this is called. You should

829
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: go out get it, read it. I told you, I

830
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: want to give a platform to good authors to tell

831
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: their story because publishing sucks. It's really freaking hard. Publishers

832
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: don't do a damn thing to promote your work, and

833
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: I just I just really I want to help guys

834
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 3: like Nathan launch their books. And it's just something important

835
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 3: to me because my experience was just like one kick

836
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: in the crotch after the next. I promise you maybe

837
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: that was TMI, but it was really really difficult. Okay,

838
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: let me tell we're coming right back into the show here.

839
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Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about the Senate race in Pennsylvania.

840
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about Matt Gates coming up, folks,

841
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: the Senate race in Pennsylvania. I've got to tell you

842
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: it's been called. The AP called it weeks ago. I

843
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: called it with Wendy Bell the day of the race.

844
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Speaker 3: Knew that there was not a mathematical path for Bob Casey.

845
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Speaker 1: But guess what.

846
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 3: The Democrats, along with collusion, hoaxer mark Elized, are trying

847
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: to steal the election in Pennsylvania. We're not going to

848
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: let them, but they're trying to steal the election. This steal,

849
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Speaker 3: the steal right now is happening in Bucks County, Pennsylvania,

850
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: a swing county, a critical swing county that President Trump

851
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: won and flipped. It's razor razor close for Dave McCormick

852
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: and Bob Casey. But what Bucks County is doing right

853
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: now are counting undated and illegal ballots right now.

854
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Speaker 1: That's what they're doing.

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00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: Their county commissioners and their Board of Elections basically said,

856
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said,

857
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: We're going to count these ballots anyway. Despite that, the

858
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: decision desk as of right now projected David McCormick would

859
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: win the United States Senate in Pennsylvania. The decision was

860
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 3: made at two to twenty five pm ET. So here's

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Speaker 3: the thing.

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Speaker 1: Folks.

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Speaker 3: The AP called the race the decision desk, even though

864
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: they should have called the race weeks ago. They finally

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Speaker 3: called the race. But Bob Casey, the Senate from Pennsylvania,

866
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Speaker 3: is not conceding. So all things being equal, I mean,

867
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Speaker 3: shouldn't the world be calling Bob Casey an election denier?

868
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Speaker 3: I mean, right, Boston guy, thank you for the rumble

869
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: rand tip. He said, what has two thumbs and love

870
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Speaker 3: free speech? I assume it's you, Boston guy. Thank you,

871
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: my friend, Thank you for my friend for the tip.

872
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: But Bob Casey and Mark Elias are working hard to

873
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Speaker 3: count illegal votes to steal a Senate election here in Pennsylvania.

874
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Speaker 3: That is what I just told you is one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent true. Dave McCormick is down in Washington right now

876
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Speaker 3: doing Senate orientation. He's already got in office. It doesn't matter.

877
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Speaker 3: Bob Casey has still refused to concede. There's no mathematical path.

878
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Speaker 3: Three nights ago, there are only eighty thousand votes left

879
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: account today there're one hundred and thirty. It should be

880
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: illegal for states to wait weeks after election day just

881
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Speaker 3: a more mail in ballot show up. At some point,

882
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Speaker 3: Democrats in this state have to stand up and say

883
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Speaker 3: enough is enough to our Pointdexter Governor Josh Shapiro, you

884
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Speaker 3: say that you're a moderate. You say that our elections

885
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Speaker 3: are here in the state are secure. Al Schmidt, the

886
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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania Secretary of State, You say that elections here in

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania are secure, Well, say something about this. They're clearly

888
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Speaker 3: trying to steal the race. Just oh, was eighty thousand votes?

889
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Speaker 3: Let the count? Now it's one hundred and thirty. Oh,

890
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Speaker 3: isn't that interesting even with all of those votes left

891
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Speaker 3: the count. First of all, I don't believe that there

892
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Speaker 3: are that many left the count. But second of all,

893
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Speaker 3: Dave McCormick still has a thirty thousand vote margin. There's

894
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Speaker 3: no way no recount will will change that result. Even

895
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Speaker 3: if the margin was only five hundred, no recount would

896
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Speaker 3: change that result. But not everybody is staying silent.

897
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Speaker 1: So listen to this. So you got to check this out.

898
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Speaker 3: So what I'm about to show you is a SoundBite

899
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Speaker 3: from a man named Mark Single. Now he's positioned in

900
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Speaker 3: this SoundBite as a Democrat strategist, but he's not any

901
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Speaker 3: Democrat strategist. Mark Single served with Bob Casey's father. Because

902
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: Bob Casey's dad was a famous moderate Democrat governor from Pennsylvania,

903
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Speaker 3: Mark Single was his lieutenant governor, and Mark actually assumed

904
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Speaker 3: the role of acting governor for six months while Bob

905
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Speaker 3: Casey Senior had a lengthy battle and subsequent multiple organ transplant.

906
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a very serious medical issue. So

907
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Speaker 3: that's who you're about to hear right now.

908
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

909
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 4: It's time to get on with this.

910
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: He's had a good, distinguished career and it's time to conceded.

911
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Speaker 4: Move on.

912
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: Democratics strategist Mark Single is urging incumbent Senator Bob Casey

913
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Speaker 5: to waive the white flag as his race against Republican

914
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Speaker 5: challenger Dave McCormick triggers an automatic recount. The race between

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Speaker 5: Casey McCormick have totals within the one half of one

916
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Speaker 5: percent margin, which under state law triggers a mandatory recount. Currently,

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Speaker 5: with the unofficial return submitted by all sixty seven counties,

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Speaker 5: Casey received forty eight point five percent. McCormick has forty

919
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Speaker 5: eight point nine to three percent.

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Speaker 3: Look when Democrats are calling on you to drop out,

921
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Speaker 3: you know it's bad, right, you know it's bad. Okay,

922
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Speaker 3: So listen to this. Got to get to the Secretary

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Speaker 3: of State Blincoln. He said today because we got a

924
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Speaker 3: couple minutes left on the show, I can't be late

925
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Speaker 3: for my daughter's course concert. You know, you know how

926
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Speaker 3: that goes, Battle Crew, But Secretary of State said, it's

927
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Speaker 3: a priority to send as much money as to Ukraine

928
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Speaker 3: as humanly possible before Trump takes office, and I quote

929
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Speaker 3: Biden has committed to making sure that every dollar we

930
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Speaker 3: have at our disposal will be pushed out the door

931
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Speaker 3: between now and January twentieth.

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Speaker 1: That, folks, is maddening.

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Speaker 3: So you harken back to what I said about Pete

934
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Speaker 3: Hegseth and the importance of having good reformers in office

935
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Speaker 3: to stop this in sanity.

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Speaker 1: This is exactly what I mean.

937
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Speaker 3: You would think Secretary of State Blincoln and President Biden

938
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Speaker 3: would be more careful with our taxpayer dollars, especially given

939
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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump won an historic landslide victory with the

940
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Speaker 3: popular vote and an electoral college victory. You would think

941
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Speaker 3: that they would say, well, that's a mandate. The American

942
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 3: people clearly want change. We're not going to send all

943
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Speaker 3: of these dollars dollars to Ukraine, which would just prolong

944
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Speaker 3: a fight there and count caused tens of thousands of deaths. Right,

945
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Speaker 3: but no, that's not what's happening. Also, got to get

946
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Speaker 3: to some other appointments here, Matt Gates. Yesterday, I said

947
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Speaker 3: that the Department of Justice and the FBI tried to

948
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Speaker 3: frame Matt Gates with the help of a con artist

949
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Speaker 3: who is trying to extort gas his family out of

950
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Speaker 3: tens of millions of dollars. Gates yesterday was nominated appointed

951
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Speaker 3: by President Trump to be the Attorney General of the

952
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Speaker 3: United States precisely with the mission of gutting the Department

953
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Speaker 3: of Justice, ridding that organization of corruption, and gutting the

954
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Speaker 3: deep state. Let me tell you, folks, the media went

955
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Speaker 3: apoplectic when they appointed Matt Gates at US. So I

956
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: gotta believe now that the media is going apoplectic about

957
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Speaker 3: RFK JR. Matt Gates is probably like, he's probably glad,

958
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Speaker 3: He's probably glad that the collective eye of the media

959
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Speaker 3: has shifted off of him and onto RFK for a

960
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Speaker 3: little bit. But the point is, this is a fact.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you here a little bit. I'm gonna

962
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Speaker 3: tell you about it here. Like federist Molly Hemingway, who

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Speaker 3: I just admire so much, put out an article today

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Speaker 3: and it's titled the FBI's Matt Gates Operation. Sidelined and

965
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Speaker 3: effective Republican voice at a crucial time, and that was

966
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Speaker 3: the point. So here's a synopsis of the article that

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Speaker 3: you all need to and many of you will probably

968
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Speaker 3: know this, but for those who don't, I'm gonna go

969
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: through it anyway. But listen, Matt Gates stood up to

970
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Speaker 3: Adam Schiff at the height of the Russia collusion hoax.

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Speaker 3: Matt Gates, before any of this happened, called Adam Schiff

972
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Speaker 3: a liar. He organized a group of Republicans to start

973
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Speaker 3: fighting back and did so effectively. Matt Gates went after

974
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Speaker 3: Liz Cheney. When Liz Cheney started attacking President Trump and

975
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Speaker 3: trying to impeach him, Matt Gates. The first thing that

976
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Speaker 3: Matt Gates did was was fly to Wyoming and back

977
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Speaker 3: a primary challenge challenger for Liz Cheney to give the

978
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Speaker 3: power back to the people there. And it was after

979
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Speaker 3: that that the Deep State came after Matt Gates and

980
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: accused of horrific allegations of child sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: Now, folks, this is how this works. You got to

982
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: read this article again.

983
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: The article is titled the FBI's Matt Gates Operation Sideline

984
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: and effective Republican voice at a Crucial time.

985
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: And that was the point. Read the article.

986
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: It'll go into much more detail of what I just said,

987
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 3: But the purpose of the allegation, the allegations are the point.

988
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you're found to be innocent. The

989
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: allegations do enough damage. You'll see. Just listen to this

990
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 3: from the article. Of course, as even the Washington Post admitted, Gates'

991
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: position is shaky. The allegations are of a sort that

992
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: makes it very difficult for his colleagues to come to

993
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: his defense. There's an obvious political risk to vocally defending

994
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: someone who might face sex trafficking charges. So expect his

995
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: political allies, including the former president, who at the time

996
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: was Donald Trump, to remain fairly muted. That was the

997
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 3: goal of the politicized leaks. Gates couldn't very well critique

998
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: the Department of Justice for their political prosecutions if he

999
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: was a pariah who everyone thought was a pedophile.

1000
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: You see how this works.

1001
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 3: You see how the deep state operates and the article

1002
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 3: goes on. On the anniversary of the original Gates story,

1003
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Speaker 3: journalist Glenn Greenwald wrote that leaks have the effect and

1004
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: often the intent, of destroying someone's reputation, convicting them of

1005
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: repellent crimes in the court of public opinion that will

1006
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: never be brought in a court of law, thus relieving

1007
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: the state of the requirement to prove the crime in

1008
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Speaker 3: depriving the accused of the opportunity to exonerate themselves.

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Speaker 1: Boy, you know what, that sounds a lot like what

1010
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: happened to me. That's exactly what they did to me.

1011
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: But I digress.

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Speaker 3: So now CBS News is reporting that many ten Republican

1013
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: Senators might vote against Matt Gates. They didn't say that

1014
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 3: they were going to vote against them, they just said

1015
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Speaker 3: they might. Again, this is how the game is played.

1016
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: Whether rubber beats the road, we will see how these

1017
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 3: Republicans vote. But not all members of the media, and

1018
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, not all members of the Senate are backing down.

1019
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 3: Listen to Senator Barasso, who is now the number two

1020
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Speaker 3: Republican in the United States Senate. By the way, I

1021
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 3: happen to think Senator Barrasso is an amazing guy. I

1022
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: love this guy. He's one of the good ones. But

1023
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Speaker 3: listen to what he said about the Gates appointment.

1024
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Speaker 4: Twenty four hours has been the nomination of Matt Gates

1025
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Speaker 4: to be Attorney General.

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Speaker 1: Well, he get confirmed, but he'll.

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Speaker 6: Certainly have a fair hearing and people will have a

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00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 6: chance to vote. What I want to do and specifically

1029
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Speaker 6: with this, and you would expect the president to make

1030
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Speaker 6: bold decisions and appointments. Look what happened to the president

1031
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Speaker 6: over the last four years. We have seen the Justice

1032
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 6: Department in this administration weaponized, politicized. They've dragged President Trump

1033
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Speaker 6: through the court repeatedly. You know, nobody should be above

1034
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Speaker 6: the law, but nobody should be the target of the law.

1035
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Speaker 6: And what we've had is President Trump being the target

1036
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Speaker 6: of the law. So when he talks about draining the swamp,

1037
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Speaker 6: it's not just all of Washington, specific the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 6: So this is no surprise that the President has made

1039
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Speaker 6: a bold announcement and decision there. Everyone that he has

1040
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Speaker 6: nominated so far better than the people that are in

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Speaker 6: there right now.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen, folks, you hear a lot about other Senate's

1044
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Speaker 3: not going to do it.

1045
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Speaker 1: The Senate's not going to do it.

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Speaker 3: What you just heard, Senator Barasso is the whip. So

1047
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Speaker 3: in other words, it's his job to whip votes in

1048
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Speaker 3: the United States Senate for the president's nominees. It's a

1049
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 3: tough job. I wouldn't want to be the whip, whether

1050
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Speaker 3: it's in the House or the Senate. Republicans are like

1051
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 3: hurting cats. But that's a pretty good answer. Matt Gates

1052
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Speaker 3: is better than Merrick Garland is basically what he's saying.

1053
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Speaker 1: And this is important. So get this brings me to

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Speaker 1: my next point.

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Speaker 3: America Pack, which is Elon Musk's pack, is going to

1056
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Speaker 3: fund primaries against incumbents who do not support Trump, who

1057
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: our side, if they work to stifle President Trump's agenda

1058
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Speaker 3: like they did the first side the first go around

1059
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Speaker 3: in sixteen to twenty primary challengers are going to be

1060
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Speaker 3: very very well funded. I mean that's an incumbent's greatest

1061
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 3: advantage is the cash that they have on hand, the

1062
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Speaker 3: fundraising dollars that they have already have built up.

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Speaker 1: So listen, you can check out.

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Speaker 3: Uh just put that article that I was referring to

1065
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Speaker 3: on the show on Locals on my local So go

1066
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Speaker 3: follow subscribe to my Locals page and you can read

1067
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 3: the article on there.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, read it, learn how the deep state operates.

1069
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Speaker 3: But the fact that Elon Musk is staying in the fight,

1070
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Speaker 3: and the fact that Elon Musk is saying we're going

1071
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Speaker 3: to fund We're going to fund primaries to the tune

1072
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Speaker 3: of millions, if not tens of millions of dollars against

1073
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Speaker 3: Senate incumbents or House incumbents that stifle President Trump's agenda.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what this country needs at one of the

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Speaker 3: most important times in this nation's history. So go read

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Speaker 3: the article on My Locals folks before we leave it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for for sticking with me through

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Speaker 3: Nathan Canastero's interview.

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Speaker 1: I just have such admiration for that guy.

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Speaker 3: Anytime that somebody puts themselves, you know, pen to paper

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Speaker 3: to tell a story about other people that this is

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Speaker 3: obviously not his story. The whole reason why he told

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Speaker 3: this story was to make sure the legacies of these

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Speaker 3: of these sailors was not lost. That's an altruistic motivation.

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Speaker 3: And people who invest in others live a life of service,

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Speaker 3: try to help others.

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Speaker 1: We should support.

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Speaker 3: So go get the mighty move support Nathan CANNISTERO. He's

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Speaker 3: one of the good guys. Also, folks, smash that like

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Speaker 3: button on your way out. Check out that article on locals. Folks,

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Speaker 3: I'm heading to the my chorus concert and my daughter's

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Speaker 3: chorus concert.

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Speaker 1: But I love you.

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Speaker 3: You're the best audience on the face of the planet.

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Speaker 3: God bless you all, and God bless this amazing country

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Speaker 3: that we call home. We are gonna make sure America

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Speaker 3: is exceptional, not just for the next four years, but

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Speaker 3: for the next four hundred.

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Speaker 1: I will see you all tomorrow night. And guess what.

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Speaker 3: Guess who's coming tomorrow night. Guess who's gonna be making

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Speaker 3: an appearance on the show. Yep, you got it right,

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Speaker 3: Brian Dean Wright for right night on Friday. So I'll

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Speaker 3: see it right here on Rumble at five pm. Take care, folks,

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Speaker 3: good night, I love you, See you tomorrow.