1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: The Ladies of Beverly Hills are taking the drama to Italy. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: When Teddy drops a bomb at dinner in Rome, Denise 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: breaks the fourth wall and coins the term Bravo, Bravo, 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: fucking bravo. Comedian actress and musician Margaret Cho joins me 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: to break down the episode. This is the Real Housewives 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills Season ten, episode twelve. Roman rumors. So 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: this is your first Housewives episode ever? 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: Yes? 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: Yes, and just at being like sort of in the universe. 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: What do you know about it? Do you ever read 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: about it in pop culture? Do you know who the 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: people are? Or is this like a bunch of strangers? 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: I know garcel I find Garcelle very attractive. I did 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: her podcast and I know maybe it's uh him from 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: End of the Lost. 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's funny. 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: And Denise from Wild Things. I also have listed to 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: full episode renditions like theatrical productions by Bowen Yang and 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: Matt Rogers, who would tried me and make fun of 20 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: me for never seeing the show, and they would recreate 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: they know episodes lined by line and would recreate full 22 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: scenes for me all the time, and they still do, 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: which I mean, I just don't watch a lot of unscripted, 24 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: so it's just never my point of contact with pop cult. 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't either, by the way, And that's funny that 26 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: you like unscripted makes it sound so fancy and documentary, like. 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: Well it is, it isn't. 28 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Well that's what that brings me to the first question, 29 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: which I didn't I would ask, but what do you 30 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: think because the people that you mentioned are all actresses, 31 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: So I have not really said aloud yet that on 32 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills you have Denise Richards, Kyle, you had Kim 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: that's three, Lisa Rennis four Garcel So I know it's 34 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, but you have five actresses on a quote 35 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: unquote reality show. What do you think of that concept? 36 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: Well, actresses really shining because they know when the camera's on, 37 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: they know what's going to be perceived by the camera. 38 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: And also they're kind of re emerging as a version 39 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: of themselves, so you can sort of tell that they're 40 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: playing these archetypes that are not necessarily entirely themselves, even 41 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: though there is a suspension of disbelief in the audience 42 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: we're watching it as we're assuming this is the real person. 43 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: I mean, there's definitely aspects of it. But when you 44 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: can say something like bravo, brah ba bravo and stop 45 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: the action, we can't do that in real life. 46 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Well, but they yeah, well this is interesting 47 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: that you say that. Well, two things one right, like 48 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter anymore. It doesn't matter that Housewives aren't matter, 49 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: I mean, aren't married. It's sort of just this entertainment 50 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: vehicle that has that name. And it doesn't matter if 51 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: people are even acting, because no one would wear the 52 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: clothing that these people wear in their hotel restaurant downstairs. 53 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Like you know, you'd be wearing a jean jacket, leather 54 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: leggings and boots if you wanted to be cute. But 55 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: cameras are on, and there's an absurdity particularly to this one. This, 56 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: in my opinion, this not only this episode, but this 57 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: marks an era in Housewives where it became ridiculous, Like 58 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: my old see what you're wearing right now, when I'm 59 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: wearing that, this is what I would have worn in 60 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: Housewives in my first five years on, Like you would 61 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: just wear this and you do your own makeup, and 62 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: you'd sit down and you do the interview in the 63 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: interview chair and like you wouldn't be in a costume. 64 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: So I'm very old school the way that I talk that. 65 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm like old school about bagels and I don't think 66 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: they should have fifty bullshit on them and blueberry and 67 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: chocolate chip, and like I'm a purist about it. I'm 68 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: kind of old school about reality TV. I think it 69 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: should be reality. And The Hills was trashed for not 70 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: being reality, you know, and in a lot of trouble 71 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: about that being staged. And I think that The Housewives 72 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: used to be its best when it was really real. 73 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: So that's why this is like a different if you 74 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: were doing a documentary on Housewives. This the Beverly Hills 75 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 1: cast with Dorrit and Erica in particular, changed the whole 76 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: franchise into being more about hair and makeup and glamswads 77 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: and costumes. 78 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: Right. But it's also like what it makes me think 79 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: of is really like Court of the Sun King. Like 80 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: it's very Versailles, where we have these like people who 81 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: are wealthy or aspired to well, whether they're actually like 82 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: financially wealthy or not, whether they're it's more of a 83 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 2: show of it, right, that's more important. So it's a 84 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: really interesting thing of like the posturing of wealth as 85 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: a form of currency, like not just money currency, but 86 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: social class, like elegance, the performative aspect of femininity, beauty 87 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: and grace. And so it's like it is like the 88 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: court of the king. It's it's kind of like the 89 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: way that we want to see royals at So we 90 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: were not allowed to go into the royals chambers to 91 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: see how they so what we get to go into 92 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: the Housewives. 93 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Very interesting And you're right, and there are these different 94 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: things like if to someone who should do a documentary 95 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: on the Housewives, it should I'm going to actually write 96 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: that down because I'm thinking about like the different versions. 97 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: So for example, Beverly Hills, a cast member is like 98 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: the be like the bags and the palatial, because in 99 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: New York City you could have one of those housewives. 100 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: The value of a real Housewives of Beverly Hills house 101 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: in an apartment would not seem as grand because a 102 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: New York City apartment it could be like five thousand 103 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: square feet and be twelve million dollars and that's going 104 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: to look much bigger. And forget when you get to 105 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: Atlanta and they're in the outskirts, and you could have 106 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: one point eight million dollar house that looks like it's 107 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: twenty that is twenty thousand square feet. So there are 108 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: all these different things that these different cities bring. In 109 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills is bringing this massive gland. But in particular, 110 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: if you look at Dori and in what she used to 111 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: wear season one, or when Denise Richards came in in 112 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: the beginning, she was like wearing t shirt and shorts 113 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: to go to someone's balcony at a hotel room when 114 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: Erica and Dorie made it costume like and then you 115 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: see all the other women following suits. So Lisa Renne 116 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: being in a wig, in that crazy eyeshadow and leopard, 117 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: that's not how she used to dress on the show. 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: She's trying to keep up with the Joneses in wardrobe 119 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: and in fact on the show, which makes it intense. 120 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: I would not I would hate that part. 121 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: Well, Lisa Renna. It's so funny because I just know 122 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: her in such a humble manner from to me, she's 123 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: still the shopkeeper on Ventura. 124 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: Ah, you know, like. 125 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: I just I'm like, oh, I went to her store 126 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: to buy a juicy couture jumpsuit. Like I'm very like, Oh, 127 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: that's the lady that sells the the Loure, you know, 128 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: like it's a very like to me, it's a very 129 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: Oh she dances with Louie November. 130 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Same and I knew her, and she did change a little. 131 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: She has changed, Like she's different than she was when 132 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: she started, which peoples change and evolve. But she's not 133 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: that girl anymore. 134 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: Well, she's a boss. I mean she still walks around 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: like she owns the shop, which is great. You know, 136 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: it's great for the show. It's great for the culture 137 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: of the show because she seems to be the commandeering 138 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: aspect and she does a catalyst for a lot of 139 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: things in conversations and events, including this trip. 140 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: Right. Okay, so you're the I've talked more with you 141 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: about like the whole Zeite case of it than anyone. 142 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: But anyway, okay, So that's finnyly that you say that, 143 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: because you know, you hear that, like Lisa Rinnat in 144 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: the past was the one who drove the charge of 145 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: the Munchausen's argument. You don't have to know what it was, 146 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: but you saw that, and in the past she drove 147 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: the charge puppy Gate. Even last season, she you know, 148 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: explained this dramatic conversation with she and hat Kathy Hilton, 149 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: and she got post traumatic stress disorder from it and 150 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: she needed to bring it into the group. So she 151 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: always sort of has this dramatic way of acting like 152 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: it's her social responsibility to bring something into the group. 153 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: So in this case, it's her responsibility to bring in 154 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: the fact that Denise may have had an affair with 155 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: another former housewife when she's married, and they use the 156 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: bullshit like did she say bad things about three other housewives? 157 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,119 Speaker 1: And who gives a shit? Because everybody talks about other housewives. 158 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: They use that bullshit vehicle to like get us to 159 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: how do we talk on this show about this possible affair. 160 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: So I want to get into that and go at 161 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: it a bunch of different ways, but I want to 162 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: start with Lisa Rinna. But the resounding thought that I 163 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: had overall was who gives a shit what she does? 164 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: And she can have an affair. But they all acted 165 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: like this was like this you know, looming responsibility. Everybody 166 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: had to talk about this affair. And Lisa Renna was 167 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: driving the charge in the car in the beginning when 168 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: she's like, oh, I don't know what to do. I 169 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: don't know what to do with this information. 170 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: Well, this is perfect for Lisa because she was the 171 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: one that when you go back to her store on Ventura, 172 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: she would create the window display. So every time I 173 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: would see her, she would be out in front putting 174 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: the outfits in different combinations on the mannequins. So this 175 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: is basically what she's doing in the show. She's bringing 176 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: you into the show, into their personalities and their dysfunction 177 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: so that you'll come in and buy the story. 178 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: Ah, you genius, Margaret show you are the perfect three 179 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: wives guests. Wow, I love an analogy, a metaphor. I 180 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: love the f You're brilliant. Yes she is. 181 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: She's accessorizing the details. She's using their personalities against each 182 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: other so that people will be drawn further into the 183 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: story of what's going on, and the other characters will 184 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: be drawn further into the clothes she's putting on them, 185 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: the clothes meeting these ideas and scandals that they're wearing around. 186 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: Yes, and you have, and you're right because she's at 187 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: least own it, Like she's the one who says own it. 188 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: She's like driving and she's owning it and she's giving 189 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: us some meat to eat off the bone. And this 190 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: is you're seeing a lot of the characters in true form. 191 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: And so what I mean by that is Kyle's like 192 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: sort of like rolling her eyes a little because she 193 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: has tremendous opinions, but she's not going to share them 194 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: because she needs to be the Kyle that's been on 195 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: since season one that has always liked them. We'll get 196 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: a little dirty, but never too dirty. And Teddy's sort 197 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: of always feigning ignorance and like is that sort of 198 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: like awe shucksness about it, And like I don't want 199 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: the responsibility, but it's my responsibility because it's accountability to 200 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: bring this matter into the forefront. So like at least 201 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: Lisa is like coming out with it, but like other 202 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: a hide behind the ways, you know to because they're 203 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: playing to many audiences, so they're playing to each other 204 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: and they're playing to us as viewers, and the viewer's 205 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: so smart. So Lisa's driving, Teddy's like in the bullshit seat, 206 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: and Kyle's just like, oh, I don't know, you know, 207 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: rolling the eyes and only getting a little bit so dirty. 208 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: So Teddy, the first thing I wrote on my notes 209 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: here you know, because I always write on like scrawl 210 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: on piece of paper when I'm watching that I hope 211 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: I'll be able to read the next day. Teddy is 212 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: the shit stir that hides. That's what I wrote. So so, 213 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: But also you don't know Brandy Glanville. She's not the 214 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: best source that everybody you know, it's not the Wall 215 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: Street Journal, it's Brandy Glanville. They're like a whole show 216 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: is hanging on that. Brandy Glanfill's giving us all of 217 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: these pearls of wisdom, wisdom, but. 218 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 2: She speaks with such conviction. I mean, the Brandy, even 219 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: though she's unreliable, is a witness. She's a convincing witness. 220 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: And then everybody seems to believe everything that she's saying. 221 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 2: And then coming back and I feel sorry for Teddy 222 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: because Teddy seems like sort of like the innocent bystander 223 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: who's just out of her like out of her depth 224 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: of what to. 225 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: Do with these people. 226 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: She's just like uh uh. And then Kyle's very judgmental too. 227 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: Kyle's very like Kyle's classic dark brunette, Like a dark 228 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: brunette always is the voice of reason and like, okay, 229 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead, all right, this is I guess 230 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: this is what we're doing, okay. 231 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: In real life? Does like where does this rate on? 232 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: Like who gives a shit? And like real or actual? 233 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: Note like real not like normal like normal gossip circles, 234 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: like what on a one to ten of who gives 235 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: a shit? Like so someone may or may not have 236 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: had like a single moment with another actress they're both hot, 237 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: Like where does this matter in real normal life? 238 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: I guess it matters in that like what are people 239 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: even thinking of me? And I think this is like 240 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: a classic fear that everybody has when they go on 241 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: a girl's trip. It's like we don't want to be 242 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: singled out. And it's almost like is this is this 243 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: a real friendship or are we just trying to outdo 244 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: each other with drama, out do each other with outfits, 245 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: out do each other with pearls in the hair with 246 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: dorry during the perfect like Chanelle hair moment, which is 247 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 2: so over over the top. They're like dinner and race. 248 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: But by the way, it's also shitty af to say 249 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: that you're dressed in casual. I would not have that 250 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: much of a look. I swear to you on my 251 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: life at the Mechala, my hair look wouldn't be that intense, 252 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: Like I promise you that was insane. It's stupid. It's like, 253 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, when you're so hungry, you're not even hungry anymore, 254 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: Like it's so beyond the pale that you like have 255 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: to almost celebrate it. It's ridiculous. 256 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: Yes, well, and she's not really true to this Chanelle 257 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: archetype because Chanelle is really about sportswear that is very 258 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: much going from the sporting event to a night out. 259 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: So it's about jersey, it's about it's about casual nests. Actually, 260 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: So the real aesthetic of Chanel isn't that polished. She's 261 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: doing more like a car Lagerfeld. 262 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: I love you. So the range that you have from 263 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: acting to comedy to the two things that you've said 264 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: for show people that she hasn't even seen. This is 265 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: becoming one of my favorite episodes. Like for so many ways, 266 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: my producers are going to be like crying. All right, 267 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: wait a second, so many things are being said. So 268 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: here's what I think. So I read the book Anna 269 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: about Anna Winter and or going everyone and I don't care. 270 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: This is amazing. So I my perception of she's going 271 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: to be the hbic in fashion, no matter whether you 272 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: agree or not, Like I'm going to say, she knows 273 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: a fucking thing or two about fashion, So she seems 274 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: to feel that fashion should be like effortless and who 275 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: you truly are. It doesn't mean that you're not going 276 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: to make an effort, but it needs to seem like 277 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: it's sort of truthful and like intrinsic to who you are. 278 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: And I was going to mention this about the glamour 279 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: that's dripping, like I don't even think it's glamorous because 280 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a costume. And I don't think that 281 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: people who are truly fashionable look like it was a 282 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: painstaking effort to be chic. I think people that are chic, 283 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, where things they make highs and lows, like 284 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: you didn't just go and become this like Chanelle clown, 285 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: like playing dress up. So I agree with you. I 286 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: feel like it's so weird and so forced and like 287 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: it's outlandish and it's not that chic or fashionable. That's 288 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: what I think I liked, or I mean out notary, 289 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: and I like, I think she's pretty and I appreciate 290 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: the effort, but it seems stupid to me. 291 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's also what it is is that 292 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: it's a kind of armor that when you're going to 293 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: war or you have to wear protective gear. So her 294 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: arming herself in all of these kinds of signals is 295 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: a kind of armor, like just you know, don't come 296 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: for me because I you don't want to try it. 297 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: If I put this much effort into the defensiveness of 298 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: speaking Italian, showing that I've been here before, showing that 299 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: I know, because she does know, right, so she knows 300 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: these all these things that what to do, and you know, 301 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: it is a kind of armored car approach. I'm going 302 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,359 Speaker 2: to bring all these things instead of being outwardly aggressive, 303 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to armor myself with all these tools, which 304 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: I think is interesting. 305 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: Wait a minute. First of all, yes, and also it's 306 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: a distraction and something to talk about. But she makes 307 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: fun of Kyle for ordering a margarita when she's ordered 308 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: a Vaka soda. But she's wearing Chanel, which is French. 309 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that. Why she should have 310 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: done a whole eye when I got to When I 311 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: go to Australia, I wear Zimmerman, I wear sass and 312 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: by like, I am not door read, but I would 313 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: know to all if I was going for it, I 314 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: would wear all Italian designers. 315 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, she would be better off again, not better 316 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: off necessarily, but first off to your you know whatever, 317 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just more but it's it's less about that. 318 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: It's more like she's gonna arm herself with all these 319 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 2: ideas of correctness even though it's not necessarily correct. 320 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: Yes, now, okay, so first of all, this is something 321 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: just inside for people watching that the type of hotel 322 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: and first restaurant they went to is very illustrative of 323 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: this being like the only place in Italy that would 324 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: allow clearance. Like that hotel that they were trying to 325 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: make fetch happen was weird, like what didn't feel like 326 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: and authentically amazing at the level Real Housewives of Beverly 327 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: Hills hotel. To me, I hadn't heard. If it doesn't 328 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: mean it wasn't nice, it just means it was like 329 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: a weird choice that was sort of modern. And then 330 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: the first restaurant they went to where they serve cheeseburgers, 331 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: seemed like I'm thinking on Dos, which I love the 332 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: on Does, but it's like a little like sort of modern, 333 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: non intrinsic to the place that it is. Does that 334 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: make any sense what I'm saying. 335 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: Well, it was giving business travel. Yeah, really it was 336 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: really giving like oh we want it's like hotel group 337 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: as opposed to like really super chic, beautiful epicheon or whatever. 338 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: You know. It was not giving history. It was definitely 339 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: giving business comfort for the business travel. 340 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: Yes, the smartest big guest I've ever had on Yes, 341 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: I went to one of those ink hotels Eye End, 342 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: and it's like it's nice, but you don't know what 343 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: kind of nice it's giving. You're right, it's giving business, 344 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: not four and a half four point two five stars. 345 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know there's pringles in the mini bar. Yeah, 346 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: like it's seriously, it's like an old kind bar and condom. Yes, 347 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: it's very it's it's. 348 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: Very yes exactly. And the burghers and the pina colada 349 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: at the first restaurant. It's that kind of place you're 350 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: going on a business trip dinner. That was fucking genius. 351 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: And they're not going to say anything bad or or 352 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: anything bad about the weirdness of it because the producers 353 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: are cutting and the editors are cutting that out because 354 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: it was the only play. This is like the producer saying, sorry, 355 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: this is the only place we could clear. So yeah, 356 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: so now also the wind choosing this is like also, 357 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: just so you know, when you go on trips on 358 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: The Housewives, unless you're Ramona Singer, who can make anything 359 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: into something like that's good because it's a free trip. 360 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: The trips are dreadful. You've gotten off a plane. You 361 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: must get ready, you've got a film. 362 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 2: You know. 363 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: Lisa Rinnaut, who's a germophobe, has her sneakers on the couch, 364 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: which is making me throw up. Like she's literally wipes 365 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: everything down at her bottom of her sneakers is on 366 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: her couch. She's just so gross and like you have 367 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: to turn it around quick and go to dinner at 368 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: a shitty restaurant and wear winter coats because that's the 369 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: time of year that they decided to do the trips 370 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: and so like you're there and it's freezing, but you 371 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: still want to like force your fashion. 372 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very hard. It's I could just see the hiredness. 373 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: I see the jet lag, you know, having to get 374 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: into hair and makeup after you get off of this 375 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: like transatlantic flight. I'm not only it's too continent. It's 376 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: from La and then across Europe to Italy. It's just 377 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: a very grueling trip. And then to have to go 378 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 2: on and you know, like when Denise and Garcela are 379 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: calling from the airport, you know, going to the hotel, 380 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 2: and then they show up at the dinner, it's a 381 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: to me. I was like, oh, I felt so much 382 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: empathy for them because that's like a good forty eight 383 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: hours a week. 384 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, it felt strange. 385 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard. 386 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you felt too hydrated, Garcel I had, you know, 387 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: So I know I've met Garcel in my life and 388 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: I met I saw her at a party before she 389 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: was going on and now is the first time I've 390 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: ever seen her on because I don't watch regularly. And 391 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: I liked her, like she's she is the straw that 392 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: stirs the drink. She kind of gives no fox and 393 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: she comes in and I just like her energy about it. 394 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm based. I find her very attractive. I think 395 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: she's really beautiful. I can't really see much pacifying, like 396 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: every time I see her on screen, like, oh, she's 397 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: very attractive. 398 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: She's very attractive and very yeah, and she's not afraid 399 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: to express her opinion, and I'd like it. And I 400 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: also have known, which this is for the viewers, because 401 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: you wouldn't know. And Eric has been through a bad 402 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: scandal and in real life, and she was lighter and 403 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: happier back in this time. She's a little more angry 404 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: as in her Housewive Housewives persona, and she's a fighter 405 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: and she's a warrior. But I noticed she seems lighter 406 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: in these shows and she is given. I'm giving her 407 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: the credit for bringing in the costumery of the show, 408 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: like she's the one who brought it in, like not 409 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: even on this episode, like in this franchise, she brought 410 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: it in and made everybody else step up what I 411 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: don't even know if it's stepping up, but change their 412 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: game and have glam squads and wear weird hairdos and 413 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: wear costumes into the lobby, so that she gets full 414 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: credit for it, all copying her all of that. 415 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: She always looks to me like an ice cream Sunday 416 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: or some kind of confection she's giving like barrels where 417 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: you get thirty one scoops, like because she gives it 418 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: like so many things on top, like it's just the 419 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: the makeup and the hair, but the hair has like 420 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: this architectural structure to it. Like there's one where she's 421 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: doing the kind of where she's giving the recap sort of, 422 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: but she's got the one hair like it. 423 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: It's like it's a block architectural. It's architectural, I. 424 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 2: Know, so curated. It's very She looks also like just 425 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: like a painting like a or an illustration from a 426 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: nineteen eighties playboy, like a Sriyama figure, Like it's a 427 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: very it's it's really beautiful, but it's like almost can't 428 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 2: see past it. In the same way. Durita is like 429 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: so curated. So's Erica. 430 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: She's very good, both of them. To say, it started 431 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: with Erica Dorried stepped up her game and wanted to 432 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: have her own thing. So hair became her own thing, 433 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: and she really keeps up with it because it takes maintenance, 434 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: it takes money, it takes like management and a hair 435 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: person and whatever. And this is before Erica ran into 436 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: some financial trouble because of the scandal. So back then 437 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: she's recorded saying that she spends fifty thousand a month 438 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: on glam. Like that's rolling very deep, and the show 439 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: is not even paying you that much. And so this 440 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: is like saying, if we build it, they will come, 441 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: like we'll spend this money to have this persona and 442 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: hopefully the money on the show and deals will come. 443 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: And the next one to fall was Lisa Rinna and 444 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: you see it here with her wig because she's very 445 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: close friends with Erica, so she used to wear in 446 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: the first couple of seasons, like her short signature hairdo 447 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: and sheath dresses, yes, and so now she's coming in 448 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: with a costume and she does a lot of like 449 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: alter ego and her name is whoever, and like a 450 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: lot of this like role playing stuff. And this is 451 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: the last of the era where we'll see Kyle dressing 452 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote normally she doesn't get up to this level, 453 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: but where every single shot is of an Ara Mez 454 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: Burken bag and she's wearing Alex Perry, this Australian designer, 455 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: like severe shoulders and small waists and dramatic makeup and 456 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: more intentional constructed hair, like they all sort of fall 457 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: F's and GE's head to toe, like everybody starts falling in, 458 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: but it started with Erica. Second to fall was dor 459 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: third was Lisa Rinna and they all come in and 460 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: it's like a different planet. 461 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: Well, you have to fall into the culture. It's like 462 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: any kind of a workplace. You kind of start to 463 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: come into a culture and then everybody copies it or 464 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 2: even like it is kind of high school too, like 465 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: when you're invited into the popular table. The girls these 466 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: are like kind of like not necessarily the mean girls. 467 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: They're just like this popular girl click that they're trying 468 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: to get along. Sometimes women together, we get these rivalries 469 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: and we need things to like beat up each other's 470 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: like ideas of who we are with. That is style. 471 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: Like sometimes that's like the the main weapon that we have. 472 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: Oh yes, you're right. It's a level of competition that's 473 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: not happening elsewhere, Like that did not happen on New York. 474 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: We all wanted to look good. And as you're on 475 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: the show for longer and people are commenting and you're 476 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: realizing you are actually on television. So don't hate the player, 477 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: hate the game. You're caring more and hating when you 478 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: see you look shitty in your black circles and whatever. 479 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: This city it's another level. And it is like even 480 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: saying I'm dressing casual, that's a best like that, that's 481 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: like you have pearls affixed to your head, Like, yeah, 482 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: that's not casual. Not that Kyle's gonna change the outfit 483 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: that she, you know, cultivated at home with a team 484 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: of stylists in the moment, but still like whoa dude, 485 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah you want people to be yeah, and then people 486 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: are gonna be jealous and ooh that looks great. But 487 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: like you're secretly it's totally its own version of like battle. 488 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: You're right, yes, and Denise, I would not be able 489 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: to keep up. I can tell you that. I mean, 490 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: if I made effort that way, I just it's not 491 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: who I am. I don't want that. But Denise has 492 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: really just sort of stuck to her own being casual 493 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: in this group antics even for New York, and like 494 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: it looks out of place, it just does. Well. 495 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: Denise is so unnaturally beautiful, I mean preternaturally. She is 496 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: so beautiful and has been so beautiful her entire life 497 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: that I don't think that she's used to having to 498 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: armor herself in the same way as other women, because 499 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: when you're that beautiful, and she's still beautiful in the 500 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: same way, I don't think any age has actually changed her. 501 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 2: I think she looks better, but she is so beautiful 502 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: that the beauty privilege you see with her is real 503 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: because she doesn't have to try as hard in so 504 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: many ways, she doesn't really need to because people will 505 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: automatically see her as more genuine, automatically see here as kinder, 506 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: automatically open doors just because of the beauty factor. 507 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: Interesting. I think that, And you know, these people that 508 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: like are very natural and they walk around very natural 509 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: because they just know and because they've been a Bond girl. 510 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: But I think like it is a little at a 511 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: place which is weird because it would have been more 512 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: in place in like Orange County or in New York. 513 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: And I would say Sutton, And when I see them 514 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: at that dinner downstairs, I think Sutton and garcel are 515 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: dressed appropriately in life in Italy and in that show 516 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: also like they still look stunning and have luxury items on, 517 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: but it doesn't look like they're coming down in a 518 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: costume party for like Brigerton. It doesn't look weird to 519 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: me and uncomfortable. I think fashion should be comfortable. 520 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: Right, But Sutton and Garcela have nothing to prove right. 521 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 2: They actually don't come with an agenda neither of them do. 522 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: They're kind of along for the ride and allow things 523 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: to happen as they will. They let they chick where 524 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: they may. Yeah, everybody else has has some kind of 525 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: agenda of what they want to do, including Denise. I think, 526 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: even though she's incredibly beautiful, she's like also a little 527 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: bit like why do I have to make this effort? 528 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 2: Why would I? She's always sort of like defiant. Yeah, 529 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 2: defiant is like why do I have to be pulled 530 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: along here? I'm actually okay with who I am. I'm 531 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 2: actually okay with all of this I want. But she's 532 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: still trying to defend herself somehow. 533 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Right now, Okay, now this is gonna get interesting. So 534 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: Lisa's the chesher cat, and everyone's tiptoeing around this at 535 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: this dinner and it's always gonna come to the surface, 536 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: and it's awkward and like no one can just They're 537 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: all in like the worst version of foreplay. It's the 538 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: worst tickling ever. It's like tickling in circular motions. It's 539 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: repetitive and like not fun for anybody involved, and it's 540 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: just like, get fucking get to the main act and 541 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: and it's just awkward. And this is this is a 542 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: thought that I had. And I know she's a good 543 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: actress and I like her, but the thought that I 544 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: have is, God, Denise is a bad actress in this 545 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: particular scene, like this is not her best acting role. Like, 546 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: first of all, on in life and in Housewives, the 547 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: least interested party always wins, so like by doing the Bravo, Bravo, 548 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 1: fucking bravo, by making this weird face like you have 549 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: no idea what they're talking about, by further incriminating yourself 550 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: by saying like you're not friends and you don't even 551 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: like really know Brandy. All of it is just so 552 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: cringe where if someone said to me, you know, you 553 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: had sex with my husband, I'd be like, Okay, now 554 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Like I once took the 555 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: bait in a in a dispute about someone copying my 556 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: business name, and it was so stupid to take the bait. 557 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: Carol RADSBLL was accused of not writing her book and 558 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: she went down the rabbit hole by taking the bait 559 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: like this was a classic example of fully taking the bait. 560 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: And the more you talk about it negatively, defensively, positively, bravo. 561 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: Braha Bravo, it's gonna air if you just act like 562 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: it's nothing, it w Yeah, it won't be. They really 563 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: made something into something major. So that's what I mean. 564 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: I thought Denise like handled it so poorly. 565 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: You're so right, and it's not so it be It's 566 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: less like tickling and more like a lymphatic massage where 567 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: you just pissed. Right, you just have to be all 568 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: over the situation and then make that all your own, 569 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: like a peede on it. Now it's mine. And so yeah, 570 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: if like you're so right, like if she had not 571 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: made it a non issue and then it wouldn't have 572 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: been a big deal, but she got so defensive. 573 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: Let's you and I acted out. Okay, who do you 574 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: want to play? 575 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 2: Oh? I could be Denise. 576 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: Okay, you be Denise. I want to be Teddy. I'll 577 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: just be Teddy and like other characters and if you 578 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: want to be another character too, just like if we 579 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: pick up a little bit and that's not our own, 580 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: because we're I'm not you know, Eddie Murphy or like 581 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: Tyler Parry. So okay, well you know it's going to 582 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: come out. It's going to come out because like and 583 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: I just want to tell you, because like it's out 584 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: there and if you don't want it out there, like 585 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: it's going to come out. 586 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: Well, I I. 587 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: I've what like, do you do know something? 588 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: No, I don't even know her. I mean I've met 589 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: her a little bit, but I don't even I've never 590 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: talked to her. I mean we've never even talked. But wait, 591 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: no Ian. 592 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Defensive? Like you seem a little defensive. 593 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 2: Why no, Yes, I'm married. I'm very I'm very married. 594 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: I would not know. 595 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: All right, So now let's do it. Now, let's do it. 596 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: What we should have? Like what we should I mean, 597 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: I'll be teddy as I should have. Okay, listen, I 598 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: heard you said some shit about us and that you 599 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: had an affair with Brandy. It's going to come to 600 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: the surf this. Don't hate the player, hate the game. 601 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: This is what we're doing. So it's gonna come to 602 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: the surface. So let's just rip the band aid off here. 603 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Well, if that's fine, you can say whatever 604 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: you want. That's fine. 605 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: Wait, so, like, what do you like? You don't even care? 606 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: No, why would I care? It doesn't matter. Say whatever 607 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: you want. Yes, I did good. If you want to 608 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: believe that that's. 609 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: Fine, okay, Right, it would be exactly that, that's okay, okay, 610 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: and then they'd talk behind in another scene but like 611 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get as much juice out of that lemon. 612 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 613 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: So she in business and in life, do not take 614 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: the bait and do not go keep her go down deeper. 615 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: She's not. She's not good at thinking, producing, and doing 616 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: it all at the same time, because if she were, 617 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: she'd know, shut the fuck up. Cool, her minds prevail. 618 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: And but I'm gonna tell you something. Bravo, Bravo, fucking bravo. 619 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: It's a new world now. Back in my day on 620 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: Scary Island a scene with Kelly bensimone when she had 621 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: what people described as a breakdown. And I'm not gonna 622 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: speak out of school because I just don't want to 623 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: say that, but it seemed like something otherwise was going on, 624 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: and it seemed like she might like go visit somewhere 625 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: after this scene because it was insane, and they really 626 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: didn't show it. They showed about thirty five percent of 627 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: what went on. It was insane. But what she did 628 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: was she was like Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, 629 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: Matt Matt Matt, which was called a producer and because 630 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: of her well being and because she was saying Matt, 631 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: they stopped the scene. Twenty twenty three Bravo with where 632 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Bravo ratings are they don't stop scenes. Yeah, 633 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: so Bravo, Bravo, fucking bro And they break the fourth 634 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: wall and they don't care if a producer speaks, because 635 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: you heard a producer speak to Teddy in an interview. 636 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: The show must go on. 637 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's I mean, I guess like the 638 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 2: more uh sort of breaking down that fourth wall has 639 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: become like they're so secret of that success, you know, 640 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: because people do want to see the damage that goes 641 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: on underneath, and you know, even if it's sort of manufactured. 642 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: So I think that's it. It's an interesting point. 643 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: And that scene is part of the reason why Denise 644 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: Richards left the show. Like, think about that, and you know, 645 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: it's any skeletons that you have will come out on 646 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: the show. It's a zero sum game. Someone's always winning 647 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: and someone's always losing. And you literally could look at 648 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: it like predators and prey. You watch or like trolls 649 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: on Twitter and you watch like there's a lot of 650 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: blood in one area and then all the hosts come 651 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: to suck the blood off that one thing. So in 652 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: that moment, Denise is the host. 653 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it is like she's putting her own 654 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: blood in the water with the Brava. You know, she's 655 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 2: actually signaling to the predators. But then you know it's 656 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: also like, I also genuinely don't believe that she had 657 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 2: sex with Brandy. I really can't. 658 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: That's funny that you say that, and you have an 659 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: instinct here, that's an interesting Okay, do you think you 660 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: have institutional knowledge or you're just you're just anyone in 661 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: the world having that. 662 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 2: Ims don't fuck like that, you know, like them's are 663 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: very bems just don't fuck like that. It's just a 664 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: different I don't know, like coming from a gay perspective, 665 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 2: I don't I don't smell a gay a gay intimacy. 666 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: Man, woman here, you are one of the smartest guests, 667 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: Like you are very literal, like myself. You've seem very 668 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: literal and very analytical about anything I. 669 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 2: Try I try to be. I mean, it's all very 670 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: interesting to me, especially if it's a world that I 671 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 2: don't know anything about. Like I just try to apply 672 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 2: my knowledge to what I'm seeing. 673 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: You're perfect, Like I gotta tell you, you're one of 674 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: the people that the producers is gonna get off, like, 675 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: oh my god, she was amazing and like I'll be like, 676 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: we should have her again. Because there are certain people 677 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: that come on. There are certain people that come on 678 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: and act like I pluck them out of a supermarket 679 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: and threw them on here. They've never seen a show, 680 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: and they're like these people, I don't know why these 681 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: people talk like this, fight life, this, act like this. 682 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: It's like boring. And there are some people, but you 683 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: are the like Quince, You're the most crystallized version of 684 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: this person that come on and they've looked they've landed 685 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: on another planet and are really like observing this planet 686 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: and have a really entertaining opinion. And that's where you fall. 687 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: Oh thank you. 688 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: Well. 689 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 2: The show really, what I've seen reminds me of professional wrestling. 690 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 2: You know, you have the story and they're like kind 691 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: of they wear all these costumes and they're there to 692 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 2: fight and not necessary so all sort of like story 693 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 2: entertain and entertain and create it in order to entertain 694 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: the audience. It's not necessarily really happening, but there are 695 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 2: really real phillies of animalsy behind it. There are rivalries 696 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 2: between these pro wrestlers that exist, and then these stories 697 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 2: that they're playing their costumes exacerbate that. 698 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: So it's sensationalized entertainment. And I think one time I 699 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: would love to have you on to talk about New 700 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: York because it's a very different animal and having seen this, 701 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: you would see like a big difference. You're you're just 702 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: like a sociology expert on this, I could already tell fascinating. 703 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: So well, tell me what you're working on now? 704 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: Right now with my show Live and Livid, I'm I'm 705 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,479 Speaker 2: doing stand up comedy all over so you can find 706 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 2: out about everything that I'm going to be doing at 707 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: Margaret Chow dot com. And I'm actually about to start 708 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: another film. But I just finished working on Life and 709 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 2: Beth with Amy Schumer. 710 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw it. I saw I love it. 711 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: I love Amy Schumer too. 712 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 2: She's great and it's a it's a really great new season. 713 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 2: So that's going to be coming up on Hulu and 714 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: so that that's, uh, what's happening. I'm also going to 715 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 2: be on Call Me Kat, which is a great show 716 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 2: with my Ambiolic. I love her and so that's really fun. 717 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: So just working and you're always working enjoying. Yeah, like 718 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 2: lots of different things. But I really love doing stand 719 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 2: up comedy and doing acting. So that's my my joys. 720 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,479 Speaker 1: Nice. I think you're amazing, and I love this show 721 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: and my other show because I get to really like 722 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: get a sense for someone and. 723 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. I'm really happy to meet you. 724 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 2: And this is really. 725 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: Cool, really fun, awesome. We learned a lot about life. 726 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: That's why I like it. It's not trashing these women 727 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: or the show. It's more about like a sociology, like 728 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: looking at wildlife and commenting on it. 729 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 2: It is. It's so fascinating and it's really I mean, 730 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 2: it's our version of sort of like war stories, is 731 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: that they are going to war every time. They kind 732 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 2: of connect with each other, all of these women. So 733 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 2: it's exciting to. 734 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: See amazing, awesome, awesome, one of my favorite guests on 735 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: the show. So surprising, not because it's you, but because 736 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: you hadn't watched and it's just like amazing, so wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, 737 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, and have a terrific day. 738 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 2: Thank you awesome. 739 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: Margaret Show was amazing because sometimes people come on here 740 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: and they act like, you know, I put a hot 741 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: poker on their ass to come on and talk about 742 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: a show that they've never seen, and like, well these 743 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: people and who would be like? And then sometimes people 744 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: come on and they're uber fans, like and Elizabeth Moss, 745 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: and it's funny to see this like Emmy Award, you know, 746 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: winning actress talk about something so ridiculous. And then once 747 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: in a while you get a gem, a hidden gem, 748 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: a person who has never seen it but like puts 749 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 1: their back into it, analyzes, you know, it's like it's 750 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: like they're doing like a thesis on house wivalry. And 751 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: that is Margaret Show. The way she described so many things, 752 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: from fashion to personality to I mean dynamics, sexuality, brilliant. 753 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: Margaret Show's one of my new favorite people. You will 754 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: probably hear her on here again because she's amazing and 755 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: I loved it