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Speaker 1: Welcome to this country life.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Brent Reeves from coon hunting to trot

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Speaker 2: lining and just general country living. I want you to

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Speaker 2: stay a while as I share my experiences in life lessons.

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Speaker 1: Tony Tony Peterson, Welcome to this country life.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I'm buddy man. This is a

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Speaker 2: new project we got going. Something's been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Something that you and I both do when we're not

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Speaker 2: on camera or we're not being recorded all the time,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about dogs. You got the Houndation's project going.

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Speaker 2: How's that going?

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Speaker 1: Man? Uh?

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Speaker 3: It is so much fun because I get to learn

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Speaker 3: a lot about dogs and I'm really enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of different for for for this

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Speaker 2: country Life the listeners out there. We're going to do

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Speaker 2: some video stuff here and Tony and I are going

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Speaker 2: to be talking about something that's very near and dear

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Speaker 2: to me, and that is the overlap of hounds and

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Speaker 2: retrieving dogs, upland birds and coon dogs like we hunt

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Speaker 2: down South, and there's a lot of overlap there. And

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Speaker 2: when you and I got to talking about this stuff

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Speaker 2: earlier when we were in Bozeman, however many months ago,

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Speaker 2: it was this came up. There's a lot of overlap, right,

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Speaker 2: tell me, I mean, what are your what is your.

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Speaker 1: Your views?

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Speaker 2: What what is your thoughts on the overlap?

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Speaker 1: And how common is it? Really?

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Speaker 3: You know, way more common than people would think. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm kind of a retriever guy at heart.

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Speaker 3: I love all dogs, but I like retrievers, and so

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Speaker 3: I kind of look through that lens. But when you

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Speaker 3: start to spend time with people who are running dogs,

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Speaker 3: like we've been coon hunting, and that is that is

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Speaker 3: a world that you know, if you look at what

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Speaker 3: my dogs do in the pheasant field and then you

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Speaker 3: look at what your hounds are doing in the woods

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Speaker 3: at night to go tree a coon. On paper, people

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Speaker 3: be like, that's not the same thing at all. But

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Speaker 3: when you when you boil dogs down, you kind of

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Speaker 3: distill it down the foundational level of their performance, you know,

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Speaker 3: out in the field with whatever we're asking them, and

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Speaker 3: or on the way to the soccer game or whatever,

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Speaker 3: they're they're just dogs, and so their job is different.

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Speaker 3: You know, their temperament might be a little bit different,

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Speaker 3: that much different. And most of what makes a good

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Speaker 3: what I love about it, is like, you know, if

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Speaker 1: And it starts.

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Speaker 2: It all starts from their puppies once, you know, with

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Speaker 2: I've trained a few labs way back in the day,

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Speaker 2: back when my brother and I were running a guide service.

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Speaker 2: So it's been I've been out of that game for

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Speaker 2: first time I know with like with Whalen. That dog,

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Speaker 2: months before I found a dog that I ever went

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Speaker 2: Any kind of dog will bark at a coon in

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Speaker 2: But there was something about it that triggered, you know,

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Speaker 3: Big time eye contact is huge, you know. And I'm

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Speaker 3: the eyes and then it's going off to do its job.

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Speaker 3: But that is like a fundamental component of your relationship

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Speaker 3: You you look me in the eyes because we're going

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Speaker 3: to solve problems together our entire life, right, And I

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Speaker 2: Trust is the first thing that if that dog trust

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Speaker 2: You know, it is my belief forever that the dog's

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Speaker 2: And I've always thought that if that dog's inherent desires

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Speaker 1: And I think you go at that. People go too fast.

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Speaker 1: How do I get him treating coons like whalen is?

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Speaker 2: And man, you know you're talking that's like getting a

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Speaker 3: You find that to be absolutely And something you said

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Speaker 3: work a pheasants, sleugh or something where it's like they

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Speaker 3: You can train a dog really well, but if that dog,

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Speaker 2: Or whatever, like they could do it the correct way, right, No,

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Speaker 3: Right, And we we look at our dogs. This is

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Speaker 3: this is the hard part. So you know, people people

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking like I work them to death, Like

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Speaker 3: me like you're talking about before, Like I don't. I

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Speaker 3: don't want a dog to work out of fear. I

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Speaker 3: want it to work out of love.

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Speaker 3: But I still look at it and I go, we're

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Speaker 3: doing two years of training every day I'm home, and

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Speaker 3: it might be multiple lessons a day. They might only

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Speaker 2: And absolutely with my dog whaling, when I started, he

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Speaker 2: job too much of a commitment and that they can't

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Speaker 2: spend the time necessary to train a dog. My advice

438
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: is always, look, they're started dogs everywhere. There's people that

439
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Speaker 2: make a living getting dogs started and going in that direction.

440
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 2: And I know there's upland dogs like that too, oh

441
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: for sure. Because you know, if you don't, if that's

442
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: not interest you, if you're impatient, if if you've got

443
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: any impatience whatsoever, the way to go is not with

444
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: a puppy, because not every puppy it's gonna make it right.

445
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Speaker 1: You know.

446
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: I got my friend Michael Roseman that I hunt with

447
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Speaker 2: all the time. He calls me the luckiest guy that

448
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: ever lived. Because when I brought that dog home, when

449
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: I brought whaling home, my wife Alexis and my daughter Bailey,

450
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, he's here to stay, and I'm like, Jesus,

451
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 2: please let this dog tree a coon, otherwise I'm just

452
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: gonna be feeding him. Turns out he turned into a

453
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Speaker 2: pretty good coon dog. My advice would be to put

454
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Speaker 2: your keep your dog pen a long ways from the house,

455
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: so the so the wife and kids can't see him.

456
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: But people that are not committed to that or don't

457
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Speaker 2: get lucky like I did, then you've got a dog

458
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: that you've got to you know, you got to sell

459
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Speaker 2: somebody else, because you know, one man's trash is another

460
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: man's treasure. Somebody else can do something with that dog.

461
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 2: But my advice is always been I'm sure yours would

462
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: be too. To look after a dog that's been started somewhere.

463
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: It may be a little bigger investment, but it may

464
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Speaker 2: be a little cheaper in the long run.

465
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Speaker 1: Right well.

466
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Speaker 3: And I mean, you know, if you want to, if

467
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: you want a dog where the odds are pretty good,

468
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: it's going to do what you want. That's all about

469
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: the bloodline, yeah, you know, And I mean you really

470
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 3: have to pay attention to that because you know, I'm

471
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: pretty good buddies with Tom Doc and the dog trainer,

472
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 3: and he's I remember when I went through two dogs ago.

473
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly how it came up, but he

474
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 3: was looking for a for a pup for me and

475
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: we were going to go look at a litter and

476
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Speaker 3: I had two year and a half old daughters at

477
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Speaker 3: home and my wife, and he said, listen, don't go

478
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Speaker 3: look at a litter till I find the litter that

479
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: you need to look at, because he's like, if you

480
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: go look at a litter of lab puppies, you're getting

481
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: a lab puppy. And he's like, it might not be

482
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 3: the dog you need. And you see that a lot.

483
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 3: You know, people get a little impulsive about it. You

484
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: talked about taking six months to find Whalen. I go

485
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: through a pretty good process to get my puppies because

486
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: I don't want, you know, when that dog comes into

487
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: my house with my kids and everything, like, that dog's

488
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: that's my dog's that's whatever I'm going to work with,

489
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: and so it's it is an important part of it,

490
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 3: but it's also just you just want to start working

491
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: with you know what you need to get the most

492
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Speaker 3: out of that dog. And you know, you said something

493
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: he talked a little bit about like how you you

494
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 3: love the aspect of every aspect of owning your coon dogs.

495
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: And I think that that's like, I think that's an

496
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: important thing to acknowledge. We look at them and go,

497
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 3: I want this dog because I love dogs. I want

498
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: this dog because I want to kill limited roosters every

499
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 3: day from October to December or whatever. But it's like

500
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: you have that dog three hundred and sixty five days

501
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: a year, and that dog needs you to do what

502
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 3: it wants to do, right, Like it wants to work,

503
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Speaker 3: it wants to like learn, it wants to do those things.

504
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: And if you embrace that part of it, that year

505
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: round things like, that's that's like the best part. You know,

506
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: the hunting is awesome, right, but just watching a dog

507
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: develop and figuring out how to work with it and

508
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 3: doing some you know, doing some drills or something that

509
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: you're like, I never thought a dog could do this,

510
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: or I never thought I would be able to train

511
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: a dog up to this level. That long game stuff

512
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 3: with it is what makes it so special. That's that's

513
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: when you get those dogs that you're like, yeah, you

514
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: want to brag to your buddies that they always treat

515
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: the coon or they always get the limited roosters, But

516
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 3: really it's for you and for that dog to have

517
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: that life together. That's just it's just at a different level.

518
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Speaker 1: It is, for sure, and it's so rewarding. It's such

519
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: a pleasure.

520
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: I get, I promise you I get more out of

521
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: watching that dog hunt and treat coons than probably he does,

522
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: and he acts like he really likes it.

523
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: He seems to like it.

524
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does for sure, Tony. I appreciate you being here. Man.

525
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: This is something new that me started.

526
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna have some other stuff on your feet, and

527
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes. And come back.

528
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: Maybe now that you've been down here, Kona and I

529
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: can come up there and we.

530
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Can we can do something up north. Yeah, you should

531
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: come up.

532
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: You might fall through the ice, but it'll be it

533
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: won't be that deep, buddy.

534
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate all right, thanks brother, Okay,