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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edith state, is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And then and tie Dan Rubenstein, I want

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Speaker 1: you to follow after me here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you want me to repeat what you say

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Speaker 1: I want you to hold up three fingers. Okay, there

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Speaker 1: it is three, This ACC Part three, baby, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: made it the full way through. Go back, listen to

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Speaker 1: the last two episodes. We did a there you go,

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Speaker 1: you're holding three goggles? Yeah, of course beautiful. We did

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Speaker 1: an ACC overview where we talked through what our tears

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Speaker 1: look like. Last episode we cover the top of the conference,

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the conference, at least according to us.

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Speaker 1: This episode is the one actually that I'm most excited

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Speaker 1: about though, because this one is going to be what

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Speaker 1: we call the media middle, what I am calling, broadly speaking,

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Speaker 1: the wild card here. Yes, a bunch of wild cards

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Speaker 1: in the SACC conference. Man, I got nine of them.

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Speaker 2: On my list.

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Speaker 1: We go through all of them today. We're going to

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Speaker 1: give you the same level of detail we did in

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Speaker 1: the last episode. There is a lot to be said

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Speaker 1: about these nine teams today. I'm excited to share the

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Speaker 1: microphone with you again, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Thank you for having me. Have you watched

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Speaker 2: youth soccer before? I'm sure you have it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a swarm of bees chasing a ball.

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Speaker 2: Well, what better analogy is there for the perceived non

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Speaker 2: contenders but still pretty good teams of the acc Then

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Speaker 2: a bunch of teams in an unintelligible scrum kicking each

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Speaker 2: other's shins until the ball squirts out and somebody breaks

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Speaker 2: for the goal, hopefully the right goal in the case

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Speaker 2: of five year olds playing soccer. That's what this is.

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Speaker 2: I am extremely excited to see whose shins get kicked

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Speaker 2: in and cries, and who runs and scores a goal

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Speaker 2: where there's no goalie and feels great about themselves.

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Speaker 1: It's great, it is terrific. Well, welcome back to you,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out? All right? So you held that

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Speaker 1: the three fingers, let me talk through the nine fingers

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Speaker 1: on this wild card hand.

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Speaker 1: We got the Duke, Blue Devils, Virginia Tech Hokies, Florida

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Speaker 1: State Semineles, North Carolina Belichicks. We've got the Syracuse Orange

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Speaker 1: ENC State Wolfpack, BC Eagles, California Golden Bears, and last,

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Speaker 1: but certainly not least, the Virginia Commodores. Dan. All right, all.

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Speaker 1: Where do we want to start? M let's start. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, let's start NC State. I just, for some

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Speaker 1: Virginia the Commodoores by the way, I believe I meant Cavaliers?

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Speaker 2: Commonwealth cup or the Commonwealth of Virginia.

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Speaker 1: It's been a day already. It's been a day. It's

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Speaker 1: been a day that's probably not going to bode well

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Speaker 2: Now, can't wait?

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Speaker 1: Where do you want to start?

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Speaker 2: Still? NC State?

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Speaker 1: NC State, Yes, new defense, new offense, Kurt Roeper's backs,

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Speaker 1: So that was a bad deal. I am leary about

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Speaker 1: And I'm always leary about those types of situations. Now,

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Speaker 1: it offense was the quarterback coach for CJ. Bailey. I

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Speaker 1: I think that's at least a building block for Dave

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Speaker 1: to hear this, Dan, I'm ready. It sounds like he's

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Speaker 1: planning to run an aggressive, attacking, pressure based scheme that

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Speaker 1: Once that Arara land up edg Rusher to really be

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Speaker 1: you need a secondary and NC State kind of took

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Speaker 1: I said with Miami. If you're focused on getting pressure

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a little bit fearful that maybe this

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Speaker 2: Can I be sort of mean about small school transfers, please?

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Speaker 2: NC State just doesn't seem like that program. I know

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Speaker 2: it's a new era of college football. This is me

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Speaker 2: By the way, So there was the fight with ECU

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Speaker 1: Let's stay in the state in North Carolina. Let's go

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Speaker 2: You don't think there's any chance. It's just kind of boring.

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Speaker 1: No, I think no, I think that's likely this year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and the first is here. I'll answer before you

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Speaker 2: Big picture, I think there's a lot working against him.

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Speaker 2: But yes, it'd be unfair because of his reputation and

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Speaker 2: We'll see how talent acquisition goes, and that won't affect

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Speaker 2: And that's first week of the season. But it's at home,

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Speaker 2: Yet that quarterback job is still open, by the way, right, and.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Steve Belichick, that's the defensive coordinator, right, great hair, Well,

437
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: we can talk about that long hair. They I will

438
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: want to say they stop big plays Washington last year,

439
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 2: and they did a pretty good job. And I don't

440
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: have the list of quarterbacks in front of me. I

441
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 2: feel like they did a pretty good job against the past,

442
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 2: against the past, excuse me, the past in the past. Yeah,

443
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 2: So I don't know, we'll see because that was another

444
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: sort of rebuild very quickly at Washington last year with

445
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: Jed Fish. But uh, that schedules great. They should be good.

446
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: They should be bowling this year.

447
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: Over under is seven and a half. Then, for what

448
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: it's worth to you, hmmm. So look, let me move

449
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: on to Doke. Let's stay in the great state of

450
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Duke's over under is six and a half

451
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: this year. They went nine and four last year. Manidez

452
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: a first year. This is where I think the context

453
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: is really important, because remember Mike Elko left before last season,

454
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard left before last season. They took on heavy

455
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: losses across the board. And I remember doing this preview.

456
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Speaker 1: I think I look back at my notes here when

457
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: I was jotting this stuff down, I think I had

458
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: them pegged for like a rebuilding year last season. I

459
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: had them under five and a half. I was very

460
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Speaker 1: pessimistic on Duke.

461
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Speaker 2: And you went to a Duke game and I went

462
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Speaker 2: to a Duke game. Yeah, we were there at the

463
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: portable stadium out at Northwestern. Yeah.

464
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Speaker 1: So that said, it's kind of like an all time

465
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Speaker 1: zag for Duke to win nine games in a coach's

466
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Speaker 1: first season and now for them to randomly drop a

467
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: big old bag of cash to bring in one of

468
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Speaker 1: the top transfer quarterbacks of this cycle.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And there by the way, augusta wind away from

470
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Speaker 2: beating a team augusta wind away from the championship in

471
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Speaker 2: SMU multip overtimes.

472
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I had a conversation and I referenced

473
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Speaker 1: this on one of our previous two episodes when we

474
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Speaker 1: were putting all this together. We had a moment of

475
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Speaker 1: pause when we were on the phone chatting this through,

476
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Speaker 1: and we came to the conclusion at the same time that, Wow,

477
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: Duke might be like the most reliable team in this

478
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: whole wild card tire. That's not to say they're going

479
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: nine to three, but in terms of what they have

480
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: and what we think we can count on, what we

481
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: think we know we're gonna get, Duke feels pretty solid

482
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Speaker 1: and that's really uncommon ground for the Duke Blue Devils.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think the word I was going to

484
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: use was like dependable or just like most drama free.

485
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: It seems because as many players is like Clemson returns,

486
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: there's a men's pressure on Clemson to win this conference

487
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: this year. With what they're returning, there's zero pressure on Duke.

488
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: There's basically no pressure on Duke. Ever, though they are

489
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Speaker 2: spending more so with that kind of spending, you want

490
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Speaker 2: to see a return on that business mind over here,

491
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: Dan Rubinston, that's what people like when they spend money.

492
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Speaker 2: They like goods and services for their money. No, of course,

493
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just think there's basically no pressure on

494
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: Duke beyond like Darien Mensa should give Duke boosters what

495
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: they paid for and be a good quarterback for Duke.

496
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: But the defense should be good. The offensive line was

497
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: pretty horrendous last year, opening up lanes for the running game.

498
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: The running game in general was terrible. They should be better.

499
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot of experience coming back. I don't know

500
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Speaker 2: what that means. They could just merely be below average,

501
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: but if your starting point once again is quality defense,

502
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Speaker 2: especially upfront, and quality quarterback. And the schedule to me

503
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Speaker 2: is not maybe I'm misremembering, but it doesn't seem crazy brutal.

504
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: It's not crazy brutal, but it's harder than it was

505
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Speaker 1: a year ago. Sure, it's harder than it was a

506
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Speaker 1: year ago. And even though Duke won nine games last year,

507
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Speaker 1: say they were blowing teams out. They beat one team

508
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Speaker 1: with a winning record, which was Yukon. They won six

509
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: to one score games. There's a world in which this

510
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: year's schedule features ten bowl teams.

511
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the non conference portion is definitely tough. This has

512
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: the hallmark to me.

513
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Speaker 1: Of a team that's better but as a worst record

514
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: as a result of the schedule.

515
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Speaker 2: Okay, seven and five with a bowl win.

516
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Speaker 1: Something like that. But listen again, you got to be

517
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Speaker 1: thrilled with what they did in year one. It was

518
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: like Havoc City down there in Durham. Forty three sacks,

519
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixteen tackles for loss. It should be

520
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: no surprise to learn that Many Diaz also runs an

521
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Speaker 1: aggressive attacking defense Dan.

522
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: Of course, but like unpredictable and fun de Penn State,

523
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: people like Many Diaz more than they like Tom Allen.

524
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Speaker 1: Ah kidding me, Okay, just making sure I don't know,

525
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: don't even tease me with that. Yeah, seven starters back

526
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: this year with reinforcements coming via the portal. I think

527
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: the defense is in a good situation, And look, Dari Metz,

528
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Speaker 1: I think is an upgrade over Malik Murphy. For as

529
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Speaker 1: much as I like Malik Murphy before he came to Duke,

530
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Speaker 1: I think Mans is an upgrade. I think he makes

531
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Speaker 1: the more explosive. I don't know who's going to step

532
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Speaker 1: up out wide. I don't know who he's throwing two.

533
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: Is it Andre Anthony? Is he going to be the

534
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: guy who steps up from Oklahoma?

535
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Speaker 2: I think he's fine if he's healthy.

536
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, is the defense able to lead the

537
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: way enough while the offense figures out who its playmakers

538
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: are in addition to Man So, you know, I like

539
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: Chuck quiz Moore, I like their true freshman Nate Sheppard.

540
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: I think they have pieces here. But it's just I

541
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Speaker 1: think it's going to be a little bit of a

542
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: work in progress on offense, and we're just gonna have

543
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Speaker 1: to see how the defense holds up against what amounts

544
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Speaker 1: to I think a better schedule.

545
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: So it's a more difficult schedule, and what they're able

546
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: to do last year was go nine and four. Once

547
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: again nine and four.

548
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: With basically no offense.

549
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: There's a sub hundred national offense, So if again they're

550
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: merely average or a little bit below average, and the

551
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: defense is right around where it was last year because

552
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: they do return, as you mentioned, key pieces. I don't know,

553
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: I think they're pretty good. I think they have a

554
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: really good shot at winning a bunch of games. I

555
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: don't know what are the home road splits. Do they

556
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: have tough road stuff? It's at Tulane at Syracuse, which

557
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 2: is going to be tricky. At Cal, it's across the country.

558
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: So at Syracuse at Cal, by the way, that's a

559
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: nice little one to two travel monster. They get Georgia

560
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: Tech at home after a bye, they get Clemson it's

561
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: a mutual bye, and then finished with Yukon Virginia North

562
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: Carolina Wake. That's pretty good.

563
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: Still harder than last year, harder than last year, but

564
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: not terrible all things considered, not terrible, by the way.

565
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: The Week two game against Illinois huge. It's a bigger

566
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: game than I think a lot of people realize. That's

567
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: a big game for you.

568
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Illinois is gonna be what top fifteen.

569
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Speaker 1: Ish, That's a big game. Dan, don't sleep on that game.

570
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that one on our run the board game.

571
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: You know what that is? Duke Illinois. It's the team

572
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: that got John Shire versus the team that is still

573
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: heartbroken about not getting John.

574
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: Shire the Shire Bowl.

575
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Shire's not only still a Duke person, he's

576
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: the coach the Duke basketball team.

577
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: He's the coach of the Duke team. Now. Yeah, he's incredible.

578
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: All right, all right. Next, let's talk Virginia Tech. Okay,

579
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Speaker 1: I think Virginia Tech's flying under the radar this year.

580
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: Okay, break it down for me.

581
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: I think they're flying under the raidar. I think they

582
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: need to be healthy or stay healthy. I think they

583
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: need to be more consistent.

584
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: A lot of football teams should stay healthy.

585
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I think the schedule is backloaded into November. This is

586
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: truly a team. We may not know who they are

587
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: until December. Dan, you know, Okay, good, you know I

588
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: love that saying.

589
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: We won't really know who they are until December. Tyle

590
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: Deebrandt swing it in with the insight bombs.

591
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: This was a six and seventeen. A year ago, they

592
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: lost syracusan overtime Miami on a controversial like I don't know,

593
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: overturned hill Mary thing.

594
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: Nobody could see anything, but a ruling was made regardless yeah.

595
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: They lost to Clemson, a couple others. Five of their

596
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: six losses were by one score, so they were they

597
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: were in it, and frustratingly so, I think amid all

598
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: the talk in the ACC about Clemson being back, Carson

599
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: Beck going to Miami, Bill Belichick going to North Carolina,

600
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: not a lot of people talking about Tech this year.

601
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: Last year, I think it was a little bit underwhelming.

602
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: I think that's putting it mildly. But when you've got

603
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: close losses like that, when you've got a guy like

604
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: Kyen Drones who clearly has a lot of talent but

605
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: was beat up, contact again is important. It wasn't a

606
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: horrible team, but they were inconsistent and I think they

607
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: were extenuating circumstances. So what are they at now? Brent

608
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: Price got two new coordinators, two new coordinators with two

609
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: new schemes try and fix the glitch, and the big

610
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: question for me is can they do it? Can they

611
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: do it? The biggest source of inconsistency on this team

612
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 1: last year was the offense. There were three and out

613
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: one of every three possessions. By the way, that's a

614
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: lot FYI. It didn't help that Drones was banged up

615
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: we saw a little Colin Schlee, some Pop Watson, great name.

616
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Speaker 2: M hm.

617
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Speaker 1: Now this year we've got Philip Montgomery, who's a new

618
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, so I think he's pieces to work with Dan.

619
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Speaker 1: I think Drones is going to be healthy. I really

620
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: like they got Terry and Stewart, the running back from

621
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: Bowling Green. That dude's a bowling ball with eyes. Man.

622
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: I like him, and I like Aiden Green out wide.

623
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: I think he could grow into a true wide receiver one.

624
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: We saw him pop in the bowl game a little bit.

625
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if they steer more into their

626
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: running game. I'm not sure what their line is going

627
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: to look like, but that to me is what I'm

628
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: watching from an offensive standpoint. I like some of the

629
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: transfers they brought in. It's going to be an entirely

630
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: new lineup front. So that's probably the missing piece right

631
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: now as we do this in mid July. Ultimately, the

632
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: key is can they find a way to get Kiren

633
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: Drones to be a little bit more consistent who everybody

634
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: knows he loves at this point, he just needed to

635
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: be more reliable, but was pretty inconsistent last year. Consistent, yeah,

636
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean he's got a big arm. He really does.

637
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: They just need to find a way to create more

638
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 1: of a vertical threat with him on the field. It

639
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: wasn't full on pickleball last year, Dan, But also was

640
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: it not pickleball?

641
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: Right? And by that, for our new listeners, what is pickleball?

642
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Pickleball is when everything is within five to let's say

643
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: seven yards of the line of scrimmage.

644
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: Building the whole plane out of dink and dunk.

645
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there was a lot behind the line of

646
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: scrimmage last year, so they got to hopefully get past

647
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: that and hopefully build more of a vertical threat. Another

648
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: point of intrigue for me is the new defense coordinator.

649
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: Sam Sefkis Okay, he is thirty three. He's been a

650
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: DC at Wofford. He coached in the NFL for the

651
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: Vikings and the Cardinals as a linebacker coach. You might

652
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Speaker 1: be surprised to learn that he wants to run more

653
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Speaker 1: of an aggressive, attacking defense.

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Speaker 2: Dan, Yeah, always surprising. You might also be surprised to

655
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Speaker 2: learn that it's another coordinator who tie is at least

656
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Speaker 2: ten years older.

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Speaker 1: Than Thank you, Dan, appreciate that not talking about this.

658
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Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to the key

659
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Speaker 1: play a great website that yeah, did a full breakdown

660
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Speaker 1: of what the sam Sefkiss defensive scheme might look like

661
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Speaker 1: from a three man front, which he likes to maybe

662
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Speaker 1: use in three high safeties kind of the way that

663
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Speaker 1: Ohio State did with Caleb Downs. Shout out to those

664
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Speaker 1: guys for giving us a coup as to what expect.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of this, Okay, I

666
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: really don't. I think the schedule is going to be

667
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: in November. To remember, they opened the year against South Carolina,

668
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: which is a you know, obviously a great game. I

669
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Speaker 1: generally like Virginia Tech. I like them to hit that

670
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Speaker 1: over six and a half, even though there's a lot new.

671
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: I think you could probably make the case that this

672
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: is Brent Price's best team since he got to Blacksburg,

673
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: and there's a good chance to go five and one

674
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Speaker 1: to start. And if that's the case, they just got

675
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Speaker 1: to pick up two the rest of the way to

676
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Speaker 1: hit that over. I need the ceilings eight and four,

677
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: but I feel good about them going over six and

678
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Speaker 1: a half.

679
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Speaker 2: Okay, So if you are looking at Virginia Tech as

680
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Speaker 2: a team with questions, but you like the talent, on

681
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Speaker 2: both sides of the ball, two new coordinators. I guess

682
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Speaker 2: my big question is when you look at Virginia Tech's

683
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, you're looking at a team who, again

684
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: another team that is sort of a reverse duke, which,

685
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: by the way, don't do a reverse duke before you stretch. No,

686
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: it's just it's for the best. They lost every game,

687
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: they lost pretty much by like three points in the

688
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: last two minutes. Ye, So what does this team look

689
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: like in the fourth quarter because of the winnable games

690
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Speaker 2: against take your pick, Rutgers or Miami or Vanderbilt or

691
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Speaker 2: Duke or anything like. This is not a team who

692
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: was winning any of these fifty to fifty games. So

693
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Speaker 2: I don't know what that says about Brent Pry. I

694
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: don't know what that says about Kyroen drones late in games,

695
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: or how the offense was called last year, or how

696
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: you know what kind of fitness and stamina this team

697
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Speaker 2: had in the fourth quarter? How do you finish Virginia Tech,

698
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 2: because again you're four game. Men, it's away from being

699
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: like nine to three, ten and two. Yeah, I mean,

700
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Speaker 2: not to give the game away too much. As you know,

701
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Speaker 2: the Big twelve is coming up next. We've talked about that.

702
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: I was doing a little bit of research earlier today

703
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Speaker 1: on Scott Saderfield, and it's not exactly the same situation, granted,

704
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Speaker 1: but there's enough there of Cincinnati feeling like they were

705
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: close in spots but then petering out, and you have

706
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Speaker 1: to ask is it a culture thing? Is it a

707
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: discipline thing? And furthermore, is it the kind of thing

708
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Speaker 1: that you could fix in an offseason?

709
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Speaker 2: Right?

710
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Speaker 1: And I don't know the answer to that. The answer

711
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: is different for everybody. I like Brent Pryor as a coach.

712
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Speaker 1: I think he is very on brand for BLA Blacksburg, Virginia.

713
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Speaker 1: I want to like this team more than I do,

714
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Speaker 1: and I already like them more than I expected. Right,

715
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Speaker 1: that makes sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean Brent probably had them in a position.

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Speaker 2: They were an eight and four team that went six

718
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: and six last year. They didn't do anything horrifically bad.

719
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Speaker 2: They had an average offense and a pretty good defense,

720
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Speaker 2: and they lost a bunch of tiny game games late,

721
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Speaker 2: and so I generally put that on Brent pry.

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Speaker 1: Florida State's over under is six and a half this year. Dan, Okay,

723
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Speaker 1: last year they almost made it to two and a

724
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Speaker 1: half a two to ten season. They lost to Georgia

725
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: Tech over in Ireland to open the year, then they

726
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Speaker 1: went on to lose nine more games. They only beat

727
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Speaker 1: cal which they did by five points at home, and

728
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: Charleston Southern. So yeah, a bit of a black eye,

729
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: especially especially a year after they went thirteen and one

730
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Speaker 1: and won the ACC. I think it goes without saying

731
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Speaker 1: you do not need a PhD in college football to

732
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: know that Mike Norvell was on the hot seat after that.

733
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Speaker 1: And so that's why we saw some big, major changes

734
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Speaker 1: this offseason. Got two new coordinators here as well, Gus

735
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Speaker 1: Melzan Tony White, got a good sized transfer class. To

736
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Speaker 1: Norvelle's credit, he knew he needed to make some wholesale changes,

737
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Speaker 1: if only for appearances, and it seems like there's a

738
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Speaker 1: lot of optimism. Fill in July, but it seems like

739
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of optimism that the pieces that he

740
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: has assembled are the right pieces, and they feel like

741
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Speaker 1: they're boys to take a big step forward. They can't

742
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Speaker 1: get any worse. Okay, they can't take a step backwards.

743
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: He'd be fired by week three if that were the case. Right,

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Speaker 1: where are you aut on Florida State.

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Speaker 2: I think they have the potential to be And I

746
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Speaker 2: don't say this because of what Tommy c Tom Castellanos.

747
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, Tommy Castellanosause, Okay, it was Thomas Castellanos. Then

748
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Speaker 1: somebody updated the database out there, uh huh, and now

749
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Speaker 1: every site has Tommy Castellanos.

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Speaker 2: I'm good with it.

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Speaker 1: Call yourself whatever you want. I don't care. We've dealt

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Speaker 1: with this before in college football. We've talked often about

753
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: the infamous Monte Monty Monte ball transition that was a

754
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Speaker 1: journey for all of us.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I am just gonna completely zag as I said two

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Speaker 1: episodes ago, I'm calling him big Tom Callahan.

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Speaker 2: Can go get him. Tom Here's what I kind of

759
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Speaker 2: love about the move to Tommy. If I may derail

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Speaker 2: this Florida State preview just for a moment, I don't

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Speaker 2: have the data to support this.

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Speaker 1: These are always the best takes.

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Speaker 2: Is there a better folk hero college football first name

764
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Speaker 2: than Tommy Tommy Vardell Well, because you get touchdown Tommy right,

765
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Speaker 2: Tommy Armstrong? Who am I missing? Tommy DeVito, Tommy, Tommy Collitz. Yeah,

766
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Speaker 2: there is a lot of I mean, who am I? So? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing on ESPN right now, Tommy Castellanos.

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Speaker 1: They changed it. I don't know when they changed it.

769
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to use the wayback machine to find

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Speaker 1: out exactly when this database got updated.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man. I think there's you know, we've

772
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Speaker 2: had some Joey's, Galloway Harrington's, the like, Billy's. Tommy's pretty

773
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Speaker 2: up there in terms of like. I think going from

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Speaker 2: Thomas to Tommy made Florida State eight at least one

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Speaker 2: and a half games better. Fair enough. They have the

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Speaker 2: opportunity Florida State this season when you look at their schedule,

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Speaker 2: when you look at the hopes and desires and passions.

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00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: By the way, Hope's Desires and Passions was part of

779
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: our Skinemax show last season, they have the ability to

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Speaker 2: be weird little stinkers this year, Florida State, they really

781
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Speaker 2: do weird litt Florida State does absolutely running an annoying

782
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Speaker 2: offense bringing in random N You don't have a full

783
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Speaker 2: concept of what the defensive transfers are going to be.

784
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: If they're well coached with new coordinators, they could be

785
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Speaker 2: weird little stinkers at seven and five.

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Speaker 1: It goes without saying that this is a high stakes

787
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Speaker 1: situation for Floridae and Florida.

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Speaker 2: I don't know ho if seven and five keeps Mike

789
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Speaker 2: Norvell around Tallahassee, but weird little stinkers.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got to get to eight. Probably. I

791
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Speaker 1: think he's got to go eight and four. And this

792
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Speaker 1: is not a schedule doing him any favors. They open

793
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Speaker 1: the season with Alabama, They've got Miami, they got pit

794
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Speaker 1: They're at Clempson, they're at Florida. All those teams are

795
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Speaker 1: on the schedule. It's going to be tough to hit

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Speaker 1: that eight win total, if in fact that is a threshold. Again,

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Speaker 1: I just I'll come back to what I said at

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Speaker 1: the top when I was talking about NC State. I

799
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Speaker 1: don't know if this is a situation where you can

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Speaker 1: just snap your fingers and fix everything that led to

801
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Speaker 1: a two and ten season. You know, you go out,

802
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: you hire Gus Malson. It's a big deal, it's a

803
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: big name. This offense was one hundred and fifteenth in

804
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: the country per the s people outs last season, so

805
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: they got to fix that. They went out, they got

806
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Speaker 1: an offensive guy, I get.

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Speaker 2: It, and they hired dear friend of the solid verbal

808
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: herb hand to run the office offensive line. We like

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00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 2: Tony White like there's a lot here.

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Speaker 1: I will say this. I do like the pairing of

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Speaker 1: Big Tom Callahan and Gus Malson.

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Speaker 2: I knew you would.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's ten stories high if he's a foot yeah,

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Speaker 1: Gus recruited him out of high school. He started his

815
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Speaker 1: career with Gus ran for one thousand yards two years ago.

816
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: They went hard at offensive line in the portals. So

817
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Speaker 1: provided somebody can step up at what at running back

818
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: excuse me, could be a nice little rushing attack. They

819
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Speaker 1: will play some teams that can bottle up the run.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what howpons then, because Big Tom

821
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Speaker 1: will tell you he's a playmaker. I love that part

822
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Speaker 1: of his game. Yeah, I'm not sure I want to

823
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Speaker 1: lean on him to drop back and throw at thirty

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Speaker 1: times for playing in death Valley, right, So that part

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Speaker 1: of it is a little bit uncertain to me. I

826
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Speaker 1: do wonder about the rebuilt line, if it can stay healthy,

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Speaker 1: if the offense skews a little bit more towards the run,

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Speaker 1: or whatever. We'll find all that out in time. Deuce

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Speaker 1: Robinson score White, we're two really big transfers that Florida

830
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Speaker 1: State added to help bolster the wide receiver room. How

831
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Speaker 1: often they use them and what capacity they use them

832
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Speaker 1: remains to be seen to be. But I don't hate

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Speaker 1: that pairing with mals On, and I like the Tony

834
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Speaker 1: White move too. We really like Tony White.

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Speaker 2: We really like Tony White.

836
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Speaker 1: May surprise you to hear that he likes more of

837
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Speaker 1: an aggressive approach on defense, I'd say, of course, but

838
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Speaker 1: they've got a solid grouping there. I'm not sure there

839
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Speaker 1: are any gravitational players, not anybody who's single handedly going to

840
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Speaker 1: blow up a game plan. But it's also not an

841
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Speaker 1: easy defense to install.

842
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: No Derwin James on this two D.

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Speaker 1: No, and so it's like the combination of maybe not

844
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: having the star power with also not installing a particularly

845
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: easy defense to pick up in you know, the fall.

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00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: Alabama minus twelve and a half Week one feels like

847
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: a decent bet to me. But I don't want to

848
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Speaker 1: sell Florida Stay short. I just think it's not a

849
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: new quarterback. I know, it's just it's it's it's a

850
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: lot to ask in week one going up against the

851
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: team like in Alabama.

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00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: I agree, what's.

853
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: Florida Stay going to do? This year. What's their record

854
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: in your view?

855
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: I would have them at seven and five. I'm not

856
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: fully sold on Castellano smells On at this stage of

857
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: each of their careers. I know there's a lot of

858
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: conversation around. He's like a Nick Marshall, like you said

859
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: on our Big Picture thing, Like he's a Malson quarterback,

860
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: Like I don't know Malson quarterbacks that have like actually

861
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: had a lot of success, a really good throwing the ball.

862
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: Nick Marshall is underrated as a thrower. I don't know.

863
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: I'd like to see it before fully believing it. In July.

864
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: I think there's just too many new pieces. I'm in

865
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: that seven and five weird little stinker zone.

866
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Speaker 1: Speaking of weird little stinkers, let's talk about Syracuse Orange.

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Speaker 1: Okay ten and three.

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00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: Last year, Dan ten and three. We believe I said it.

869
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: During the one of our G five episodes. I'll say

870
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: it again here. Syracuse is the ink plot test of

871
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: the ACC because I think how you interpret this team,

872
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: how you interpret this roster, the schedule, the culture says

873
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: a lot more about you beloved Forballer than it does

874
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: about Syracuse. There is a flaw here, though.

875
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: I kind of have a problem with your hair. It's

876
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: bothering me.

877
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: They lose a ton, a ton. They are worse at

878
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: every offensive position. They lose seven of their top ten tacklers.

879
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: The schedule is a lot harder. You can call it

880
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: a rebuilding year, a transition year, a year one point five,

881
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: whatever nomenclature you are comfortable with, Dan, this is not

882
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: as good a team as it was a year ago,

883
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: full stop. That doesn't mean they won't get back to

884
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: Bowl eligibility, that doesn't mean they won't hit their over

885
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: a five and a half. But it's worth noting amid

886
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: all of the hype and all the steam around the

887
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: for animal who we love on this show, of course,

888
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: and we will continue to love. But I'm a little

889
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: bit lary here.

890
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that the ACC is indeed ready for

891
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: Steve Angeli?

892
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think anybody's ready for ANGELI?

893
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: Okay for this jelly Yeah.

894
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: We got to get that sound cute out for this year. Yes,

895
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: of course it is going to be Steven. I think

896
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: it's going to be Steve angel I think it has

897
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: to be.

898
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: Not Ricky Collins. Yeah, I would. You don't bring in

899
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: a quarterback post spring ball. If you feel a potential

900
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: starting quarterback, a high profile potential starting quarterback, if you

901
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: feel good about your room, I agree.

902
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be Angelly. I think the compy.

903
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: He's not as good as McCord, but he's the same

904
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: type of quarterback as a Kyle McCord. It's similar enough

905
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: in that their traditional pocket guys. You're not gonna really

906
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: put him on the run. He can move, but I

907
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: think the best of him is as a pocket passer.

908
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: He's shown poise for Notre Dame. He seems to be

909
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: a great leader the.

910
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: Players around right in in that big game last year

911
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: against Penn State, Yeah.

912
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: He was unfazed by that. The players around him definitely

913
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: responded to him being on the field, and that was

914
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: true most of the time when he was on the

915
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: field for Notre Dame.

916
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: You should also know just file this away. If at

917
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: any point CJ. Carr struggles in the first month of

918
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: the season, Tye is going to reach out and through

919
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: back channels try and find Steve Angelly's uncle or something.

920
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: He is going to pull his hair out, wondering why

921
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: Notre Dame lets Steve Angelly go. Perhaps nothing will happen

922
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: perhaps CDJ. Carr will be excellent from the jump, but

923
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: that's what Ty will do because he knows Steve Angeli.

924
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: It's pretty good.

925
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: Steve Angel's all right. I mean, I don't think Steve Angeli,

926
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: if he had his way about things, would have ever

927
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: left Notre Dame. But I also understand that dude wants

928
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: to play.

929
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: Did he'd not lead them to a sun Bowl Crown continue.

930
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: The schedule is murder for Syracuse.

931
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: It's very tough.

932
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks to me like they're gonna get

933
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: pushed around trying to stop the run. So if you're

934
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: a Syracuse fan, I'd say prepare to live this year

935
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: because you're gonna get to watch games against Tennessee, Clemson, SMU,

936
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, Miami, and Notre Dame. Also Duke in North

937
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: Carolina both on this thing. Pretty good chance they're dogs

938
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: in all seven of those games that I listed. I

939
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: don't think the fr animals going on and seven against him.

940
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: I think he will find a way to win a couple,

941
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: but it's a much harder schedule than it was a

942
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: year ago. I like fran Brown, I really do. He

943
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: brings serious good vibes to that program. But it was

944
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: a really nice schedule last season, and it wasn't surprising

945
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: not to me, not to you, that year one was successful.

946
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: I think we were pretty high on the CUS. But

947
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: a ten to three year in year one is not

948
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: something that they're gonna be able to replicate. You can

949
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: build on that, right, but I don't think they're going

950
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: to be able to replicate it. I've got them going

951
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: like seven and five.

952
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: No, this was a top fifteen offense in the country

953
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: last year. In year one, offense is gonna take a

954
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: step back. Defense wasn't even that good last year. So

955
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: I guess the defense with a bunch of new transfers,

956
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: especially up front right coming in actually not a bunch,

957
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: but new starters sure are, is just going to take

958
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: time against the schedule. That said, our dear dear friend

959
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: Fran Brown, to whom we've never spoken, No would argue

960
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: that those teams have to play Syracuse, that this is

961
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: a team that gets up, is a team that gets,

962
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, playing hard. It's just too many new faces

963
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: on both sides. They lose their number one receiver or

964
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: their returning leading receiver. He transferred Trevor Payne and went

965
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: to Penn State correct, yep, and so yeah, I think

966
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: it's going to be an adjustment year. I think if

967
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: they make a Bowl this season, that's a pretty successful

968
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: run through twenty twenty five. But they just got dealt.

969
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: It appears a pretty tough hand schedule wise, and hopefully

970
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: look that the momentum is there. They've been recruiting really well.

971
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: I like everything about this program except for the week

972
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: after week after week nature of what lays ahead.

973
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: We got three teams left, Dan, all right, who do

974
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: we have?

975
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: Next? Up?

976
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: Is Boston College?

977
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: Okay?

978
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: Interesting little side note here to go full kimono. I

979
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: started my research in the a SEC with Boston College,

980
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: not just out of alphabetic order or anything, but because

981
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: I was genuinely interested in BC. They're over unders five

982
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: and a half last year seven and six. I think

983
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: year one was pretty good for bill Obrian.

984
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: I agree with that, of course, I do. Yes.

985
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: I think a seven and six season with a couple

986
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: close losses and accuding to what Missoo Miszoo twenties who

987
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: was winnable twenty seven to twenty one? They lost at Missoo.

988
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: They also lost a Virginia Virginia Tech Louisville at SMU Yeah,

989
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: Nebraska and the Pinch Stripe Bowl and that Mud Bowl

990
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: that they played. In general, I think it was a

991
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: pretty good campaign. So I think in that sense, there's

992
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: a healthy amount of heat on Boston College, if we

993
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: want to revert back to the theme we've been going

994
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: with here. In general, I think there's a sense that

995
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: Bill o brien knows what he's doing right, knows how

996
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: to get the most out of a roster. As we know,

997
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: if you're a mid tier ACC team, the roster is

998
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: always kind of in flux. There's always an open question somewhere,

999
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: and that's definitely true for Boston College this year. But

1000
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: they didn't get creamed too badly in the transfer portal. Actually,

1001
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: I think the combination of what they're bringing in with

1002
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: what they're bringing back really makes for a compelling storyline.

1003
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of in on Boston. I have a

1004
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: lot more to say in Boston College, but I'll stop here.

1005
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: I'll pause here and give you a chance to reflect

1006
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: on what I just said.

1007
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: Do you know who their running backs coaches? Savon Huggins.

1008
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: If you want to feel oh, I think New Jersey

1009
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: running back legend.

1010
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: Ah. How old are we? How old are you?

1011
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.

1012
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Continues all right, Tommy Castelano's I e big Tom Callahan,

1013
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: he's gone and went to Florida State, doesn't matter. He

1014
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: kind of had a falling out with Bob anyway, Yeah,

1015
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: and Grayson James took over. He was perfectly fine. Offseason.

1016
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: They went out and they got Dylan Laannergan Lanergan Loenergan Wanergon.

1017
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: I think it's Loaneran from Alabama.

1018
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Penn staters probably recognized that name, even if I

1019
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: can't say it, because his dad also a noted Dan

1020
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: was the backup for Todd Blacklitch back in the day

1021
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: in the early eighties. So Dylan four star prospect class

1022
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: twenty three seems to me like it's his job to lose.

1023
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: But he's red shirt sophomore. He's got eight career passing

1024
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: attempts at the college level, so you know, your mileage

1025
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: may vary here on how long it takes for him

1026
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: to click. The skilled talent around him, I think is intriguing.

1027
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: It's the point in the show where I have to

1028
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: mention that Boston College has a running back named Turbo Richard.

1029
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: Of course, they don't call you Turbo unless you run

1030
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: like a blazing forty. He was hurt for five games

1031
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: last season. When he was healthy, he showed can be

1032
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: really explosive. Likewise, they've got Jordan McDonald. He was close

1033
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: to seven yards carry in theory. This is what I'm saying.

1034
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: The rushing attack could be fun. Okay, it could be fun,

1035
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: and your dream of there being a James Bond connection

1036
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: does still live. We need Gray so alive. We need

1037
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: Grayson James to play and Lewis Bond to be out wide,

1038
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: but the James Bond connection could be there. They got

1039
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: some options out wide as well. I like the back

1040
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: seven of the defense. I think they'll be slid. Two

1041
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: linebackers are back as well as an entire defensive backfield.

1042
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: So this this is a team that's got enough back

1043
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: I think to be dangerous. The wet blanket here is

1044
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: the offensive line is going to take a step back.

1045
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: They lose a lot, and on the defensive side they

1046
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: lose a guy like Donovan as Araku.

1047
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, very disruptive. The dry blanket, though, is Boston College

1048
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 2: always randomly has three first round offensive line always always,

1049
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: so shout out Anthony Costanzo. Is that the name I'm

1050
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: looking for? CoA Stan So yeah, okay, continue schedule is murder. Yeah,

1051
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: there's a stretch to that's real trick. It's sort of

1052
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: like mid October to late November.

1053
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: Listen, the only winner in this conversation is the Boston

1054
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: College season ticket holder. Who's going to get to see Clemson,

1055
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, and SMU all play at Alumni Stadium.

1056
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1057
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: We have seen those teams losing Chestnut Hill.

1058
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 2: By the way, Notre Dame is done ducking Boston College.

1059
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: They're done. They're playing situationally, Clemson is at Boston College

1060
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: before hosting SMUs, maybe a little bit. SMU goes to

1061
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: BC a week after hosting Miami on homecomings, maybe a

1062
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: little bit of little let down. Boston College is going

1063
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: to be a home dog against all three of those

1064
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: teams I mentioned. The question is can they pull an

1065
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: upset over one of them?

1066
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: Are they your weird little stinker tie there's weird little

1067
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: stinker potential? Okay, I like it, there is.

1068
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: If they pull one of those upset, changed it changes

1069
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: the conversation in the conference, maybe with respect the college

1070
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: football playoffs. So even outside of those teams, those are

1071
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: just the headliners. There just aren't any breaks on this

1072
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: thing outside of maybe the last three weeks of September.

1073
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: So it's a tough schedule. But I like Bill O'Brien,

1074
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: so I've got BC down for like six and six.

1075
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they can compete for a ball. Absolutely,

1076
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: six and six sounds about right. California before we go

1077
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: on to cal if you're going for a run right now.

1078
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: If you're washing your dishes right now, if you're cleaning

1079
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: your house right now, good for you doing those unseen

1080
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: little things to improve your day. Keep running hard, finish

1081
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: those dishes up. You're gonna get through them quicker than

1082
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: you think. And thank you for picking up your house.

1083
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 2: Even if nobody is saying thank you, you are doing it. Okay,

1084
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: now killing on to cal killing.

1085
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: It California, the state of your birth. I believe you

1086
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: were born in California.

1087
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: Right, I was born in California, nowhere near Berkeley, but

1088
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: born in California.

1089
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: This is a six and seventeen. A year ago, they

1090
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: got a five and a half over under. They did

1091
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: beat Auburn in week two, YEP, lost at Florida State,

1092
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: should have beaten Miami at home, lost at pitt NC State,

1093
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: ques at SMU UNLV in the bowl game. There were

1094
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: seven losses. I think I counted them all out. It

1095
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: was a full range of emotions last season. If you

1096
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: were a Cal football fan because he had the social

1097
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: media memes calgorithm, then you had the frustration of losing

1098
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of close games. So with that now in

1099
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: the rearview mirror, Brian Harson made some changes. Or excuse me,

1100
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: Brian Harson was part of the changes that Justin Wilcox made.

1101
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Do we feel any better about Cal despite the fact

1102
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: that there are mass changes and on top of it,

1103
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: the ultimate dagger was losing Jade Nott and the transfer

1104
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: portal in the spring.

1105
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 2: It was both running backs, right, they had a really

1106
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 2: good duo. I don't feel great about Cal. I don't

1107
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: feel all that great about Cal. I would I think?

1108
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: I feel I like that they were It seems much

1109
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: more active in the portal than normal. They're active as

1110
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: a program, hiring new coaches, hiring a new GM like.

1111
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Obviously this is looked at as a season that needs

1112
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: to be dramatically better, that they need to finish games,

1113
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: that they can't just be like a fun program online,

1114
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: that they need to win these close games. So I

1115
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: don't feel great about Cal because the obvious nature of

1116
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: who is leading them to these wins is still pretty

1117
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: up in the air to me. And with the defense

1118
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: took a nice step forward last year. The offense was

1119
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: okay at times, but they couldn't really put it together

1120
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: for four quarters consistently. So I just it's hard to

1121
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: see how this program, without a couple of pretty incredible

1122
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: recruiting end portal classes can get to like an eight

1123
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: to nine win level. It just hasn't been at that

1124
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: level ever under Justin Wilcox, with any sort of consistency.

1125
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: So I don't see it. Do you see anything here?

1126
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: I think the best way to pick this season of

1127
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: Cal football is that meme of the dog drinking coffee

1128
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: in the burning room with this this.

1129
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: Is everything's fine. Yeah, this is fine because we've.

1130
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Got a philosophical shift on offense. Schedule's fine, schedule's okay,

1131
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: but we've got the shift on offense. We've got a

1132
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: head coach who was very much on the hot seat.

1133
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: It has to be feeling the pressure. You get a

1134
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: roster that got crushed by the portal and was sort

1135
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: of rebuilt on the fly. We've got a quarterback competition,

1136
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: an open question of how to fix a line that

1137
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: gave up fifty facts last season. Yeah, there's a lot

1138
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: working against them. But the schedule is fine. You know,

1139
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: despite all of that, the over unders five and a half,

1140
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: which isn't horrible. You can do worse than that. There's

1141
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: no Clemson, no Miami, no Florida State. Duke and North

1142
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: Carolina and SMU all off to travel out west. Great

1143
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: this is This looks to me like the kind of

1144
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: season that either gets just to well Cox a contract

1145
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: extension or it gets him fired by week eight. I

1146
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: don't think there's any in between.

1147
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: Here, justin will Hawk's very good against non conference and

1148
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: weirdly enough to say it includes Oregon State for Cal

1149
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: as a non conference game in Minnesota, and San Diego

1150
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: State like this could be. This could be a Cal

1151
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 2: team if they are fine, if the transfers work out,

1152
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: if quarterbacks works out, if it's Devin Brown, if it's

1153
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 2: the freshman. You are the one who practiced this freshman day.

1154
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: Oh jks, you got to give me a chance to

1155
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: work up to JK. Songapolu, Telly, it's Jaren Kave Okay Songapoola,

1156
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: Telly Songapoola Telly jaren Kave Yeah, songapoola Telly. I've got

1157
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: written phonetically like eight times on my sheet here. So

1158
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 2: he enrolled early at Oregon after flipping his commitment, went

1159
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: through Rose Bowl practices ahead of Oregon. Ohio State was

1160
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: you know, the fourth string quarterback whatever, not really, but

1161
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: was on the roster as a an enrolled freshman, not

1162
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: la to play against Ohio State. They went through the

1163
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl, Oregon got destroyed, and then he was like, nah,

1164
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm good cow uh. And now he's a col to

1165
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: whom he was committed forever. This Colt team, by the way,

1166
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: if if quarterback is fine, if receiver is fine, and

1167
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 2: they have the experience up front at their best, five

1168
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: and one and six to zero is not just bonkers

1169
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: out of this universe. Given the schedule, I think Minnesota

1170
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: is tough. I haven't done a deep dive on the

1171
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 2: Gophers yet. You know, I think we both like BC fine,

1172
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: especially Cal traveling across the country. You know, I like Duke.

1173
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: What that game is in Berkeley. I don't know, there's

1174
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: no obvious like yeah to starting three and three.

1175
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: What I jotted down is that there's a pretty good

1176
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: chance it doesn't click. But there's also a pretty good

1177
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: chance that it's not a total catastrophe, that it's somewhere

1178
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: in the middle, because somewhere in the middle has been

1179
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: I think where this program has been at with Justin Wilcox.

1180
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: You know, if it continues just treading water, that's in

1181
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: all likelihood the most likely outcome of all this, even

1182
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: though there's so much new.

1183
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just if they go seven and five, I

1184
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: don't know if he's the coach next year.

1185
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't think so either.

1186
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: Honestly, the cow jobs seems so impossible that he could

1187
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: just he could be let go and immediately become a

1188
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: two and a half million dollar defensive coordinator somewhere.

1189
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, yeah, one hundred percent. I wouldn't bet

1190
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: on them going over five and a half because there's

1191
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: so much new. I'm not sold that they're going to

1192
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: fix the line. I don't think they've got the skill

1193
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: talent to overcome some deficiencies up front. And also, like

1194
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: this is about the year nine of Justin Wilcox. His

1195
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: best seasons were six years ago when he went seven

1196
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: and five, Right, you know, on some level you do

1197
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: have to ask the question now with all this turnover,

1198
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: with some of these moves, which frankly feel like they're

1199
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: out of desperation. Is this Can he turn it around now?

1200
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: This late in the game. We've seen coaches do it.

1201
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. My actual question here with

1202
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: CAL is whether the schedule is going to be advantageous

1203
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: enough to them to paper over some of the other

1204
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: issues with the team, And I agree, I guess my

1205
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: more diabolical question with respect to CAL is whether Duke,

1206
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: North Carolina or SMU are going to go out west

1207
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: and lose because all three have to travel out there.

1208
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: Like if they take one of those teams down, that

1209
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: could could be a different conversation here. But I'm still

1210
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: not fully sold on that. Over five and a half,

1211
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to put my money to it. Okay,

1212
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: fair enough, Virginia is our final team. I incorrectly called

1213
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: them the Commodores. I don't know why, because you're rude.

1214
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: They are the Cavaliers. They basically got loose. They got

1215
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: smoked by everybody last year, with the exception of the

1216
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: five games they won and that close home loss against Louisville.

1217
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: You and I we often refer to the athlon preview.

1218
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: I mentioned this quote on our acc Overview show.

1219
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: By the way, I've taken to calling it the bathlon

1220
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: because that's where it resides, the bathlon, right next to

1221
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: my toilet. It's the best.

1222
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: That's perfect. The zinger here and I won't read the

1223
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: full quote was some anonymous coach said that Virginia is

1224
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: never really a team you worry about playing because they

1225
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: lack discipline, they have no real identity. Okay, so I

1226
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: think despite the brutal honesty, Vegas is actually pretty high

1227
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: on Virginia. They've got the win total at six and

1228
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: a half. That's according to DraftKings year four for Tony

1229
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: Elliott two three win seasons. He won five last year.

1230
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: If he goes to a Bowl this year, I don't

1231
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: think they're getting rid of him. If he doesn't, then

1232
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a different conversation. I think they got better.

1233
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: I think they got deeper via the portal took on

1234
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: thirty one transfers. It's a surge of talent. It's a

1235
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: big deal, and I think the depth that they added

1236
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: is probably a bigger story with how injured they've been

1237
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. So the vibes are

1238
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: actually pretty good. Going into this season, Chandler Morris is

1239
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: going to be the quarterback. He's a guy who transfers

1240
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: up from North Texas.

1241
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: Via Oklahoma and TCU as well.

1242
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: We've heard Chandler Morris's name now for four years. He's

1243
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: better than what they had, but this is also a

1244
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: different system than the air ray that he's been running elsewhere,

1245
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: So how he adapts to that will be really interesting

1246
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: to see. Should be deeper at running back along the line.

1247
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: They brought over your boy, big number eighty three, Jayden

1248
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: Thomas from Notre Dame after losing Malachi Fields to Notre Dame,

1249
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: so a bit of a trade there. They were very

1250
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: targeted in how they used the portal on defense to

1251
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: try and give a boost to the line there and

1252
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: the secondary. It really went for it in the secondary,

1253
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: which they absolutely needed to think that.

1254
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1255
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I found in my research, surprisingly so,

1256
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: is that of the guys they targeted, tended to be

1257
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: more guys with an aggressive attacking mentality, guys that could

1258
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: help with the pass rush that type of thing.

1259
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1260
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: It's just a lot new, you know. This is kind

1261
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: of a recurring now in the Year of Our Lord

1262
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, there's a lot new I have we

1263
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: seen the track record for Tony Elliott thus far where

1264
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: we've got confidence in him bringing all this together and

1265
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: taking a big step forward after three years on the job.

1266
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: If there are better players on this too deep, sure

1267
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: it might just be a Jimmy and Joe situation. If

1268
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: their secondary is only underwhelming, that's a big improvement from

1269
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: where they were last year. One of the best exercises

1270
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 2: you could have done last year was play receiver against

1271
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: this Virginia.

1272
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're terrible.

1273
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know. I don't feel great about Virginia.

1274
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: I like the aggression that they're operating with, but yeah,

1275
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: I I just going into a season. If you're gonna

1276
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: feel good about a team making a Bowl, going eight

1277
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: and four something like that, having a major turnaround or

1278
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: a major jump, to me, there has to be something

1279
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: proven on the roster specifically, and I like Chandler Morris

1280
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: as a quarterback. I think if the offensive line is

1281
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: any good, they might be able to run a decent

1282
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 2: enough offense. But against what is a Their schedule is

1283
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: pretty easy, right, It's the easiest in the conference. I

1284
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: believe Even then, like they're going to be giving up

1285
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: twenty eight to thirty a game something like that. I

1286
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: guess if they're a team that you feel confident in

1287
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they're gonna win a bunch of fifty

1288
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 2: to fifty games. The sure they're gonna go six and six,

1289
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: seven to five. But even then, even against this schedule,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel great. Just a talent level thing.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's talent, it's taking advantage of a schedule. Again,

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Speaker 1: they miss both Clemson and Miami and SMU and SMU,

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Speaker 1: Yeah and SMU. Four looks like four and eight. Can

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Speaker 1: they manage two to four more wins to get to

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Speaker 1: a bull Can they get the eight wins against this?

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Speaker 1: They have eight wins. It's a revelation given where the

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Speaker 1: program's been. I don't see it.

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Speaker 2: Well. NC State's gonna be in a brawl the week

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Speaker 2: they play against Virginia, the week they play the week

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Speaker 2: before they play against Virginia. Correct, So there's that. So

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Speaker 2: now you're looking for with Virginia. Okay, Stanford at home,

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Speaker 2: you're looking pretty good there. The week before, Florida State

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: has Virginia on the road, which I think is a

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Speaker 2: Friday night, So it's a short week road for Florida

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01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: State after the worst FBS program in America and Kent State.

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Speaker 2: That's what Florida State has. And then Virginia has I

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Speaker 2: don't know who Wazoo has the week before them, Louisville

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: has Pit on the road. Your dear dear pitt. Panthers

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01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 2: love pit. So that's weird little stinker potential. North Carolina

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Speaker 2: is traveling across the country to play against cal the

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Speaker 2: week before Virginia. Weird little stinker potential.

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Speaker 1: You like that? That's gonna be your new thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be on a shirt someday.

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Speaker 2: Some weird little stinker. I don't think people are gonna

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Speaker 2: love wearing that.

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01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: Sh it'd be a good baby thing.

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Speaker 2: I digress. Duke has yukon the week before, but it's

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Speaker 2: on the road, who knows, And Virginia Tech the week

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Speaker 2: before they play. Virginia has Miami, so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're a little gumpy.

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Speaker 1: There is some weird little stinker potential here with Virginia.

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01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. I'm not putting my money.

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01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: So you're banking on a lot there.

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01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not putting my money in over six and

1325
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: a half. But you can at least chart that course.

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01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can squint if a lot of these transfers

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01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: on defense work out.

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01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: Sure, the Virginia Cavaliers, Cavaliers, the who's for those playing

1329
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: along at home?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 1: That does it for the ACC, my friend. We have

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Speaker 1: gone through all seventeen teams in somewhat painstaking detail. We

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01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: encourage you all to hit us up Solidverble at gmail

1334
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: dot com. Let us know where we're right, where we're wrong.

1335
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: Don't be a jerk about it. We're going to be

1336
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: wrong about some stuff. You're always going to know your

1337
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: team better than us. But we're doing our part here

1338
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: to keep everybody entertained as much as possible and give

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01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: you reasons to feel entertained about the ACC. This coming year,

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01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be an entertaining conference. There's just no

1341
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: two ways about it. I'm excited to see how this

1342
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: thing shakes out. I have seen a fair amount of

1343
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: disparity in looking across all of these previews and all

1344
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: of these YouTube videos that I have been watching prepare

1345
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: for these episodes. Doesn't seem to be a set order

1346
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: of finish in the ACC. You had a pretty good

1347
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: idea for who's going to be at the top, but

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01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: after maybe the top four or five teams, it's a

1349
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: big old hodgepodg And I think that's going to make

1350
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: it pretty fun.

1351
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: Little sidebar here. You know what I think about when

1352
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: I think about the ACC right now, I think about

1353
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: we're doing our Live straight, which're gonna be doing at

1354
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: twelve eastern every Saturday night after all the action, and

1355
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: I think about random ACC games ending that aren't necessarily

1356
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 2: nationally consequential, right, It'll be you know, like SMU Duke

1357
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: went Late and stuff like that, where nobody feels a

1358
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: lot of animus for the ACC really, I guess other

1359
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: than Florida State and Clemson Boosters.

1360
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Speaker 1: That's right.

1361
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: But there is something about like one of those games

1362
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 2: ending in a weird way North Carolina Wake Forest, and

1363
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 2: then right after on the field is Taylor Tannenbaum and EJ.

1364
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: Manual trying to make sense of it all, and I'm

1365
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 2: just sort of charmed, Like I like their show. Nobody

1366
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: like hates the ACC like they do the Big Ten

1367
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 2: or the SEC. I like that. There's just weird, like

1368
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 2: not nationally consequential emotional emotion happening after those games. But

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01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: I kind of like the ACC vibes right now. I

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01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 2: don't know how to explain it. I'm in on ACC vibes.

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01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: Well, the ACC has been able to like hold itself together,

1372
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: and they brought in some reinforcements. However odd it might

1373
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: be geographically speaking, right, but they brought on some reinforcements

1374
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: to try and make sure that the conference could exist

1375
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: if they had teams leave, which could still be the

1376
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: case at some point in the future. But they forced

1377
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: it down everybody's throat to take this deal where they're

1378
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: going to pay out more to the most popular teams.

1379
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are plenty of reasons not to like

1380
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: that if you're a school like a I don't know,

1381
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: Wake Forest, but they have just been doing enough to

1382
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: get by. They have just been doing enough to survive.

1383
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: And interestingly enough, when I compared the ACC last year

1384
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: to the ACC this year, I think this year is

1385
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: infinitely more interesting, infinitely more interesting. Last year, the big

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01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: story for sure coming out of it was Florida State

1387
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: going two and ten. That was a disaster. Maybe Miami

1388
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: missing the playoff, but certainly what Clemson did SMU getting

1389
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: in like that was an interesting story in its own right,

1390
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: but Florida State dropping in the manner that they did

1391
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: was like a huge surprise across college football. I agree

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01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: this year, I just look across this conference and I

1393
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: feel so much differently about it. I just think there

1394
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: are so many teams with potential. There are a bunch

1395
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: of teams again and the tier that we talked about

1396
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: today that we how are you supposed to handicap some

1397
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: of these teams? I have no idea? So that makes

1398
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: it interesting. That gives us a reason to watch, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe in the throes of the season when there's no

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Speaker 1: other game on and a weird three thirty window. Yeah,

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01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 1: the ACC is going to keep it real.

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01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm in here's your final question, ty you ready?

1403
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:47,440
Speaker 1: Yes, computer.

1404
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 2: Power Conference football, though it's still going. Power Conference Football

1405
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: features four head coach Brent's. Who are they Brent's.

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: There's a Brent Prye, There's a Brent Brennan, Brent Priye,

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01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: Brent Brennan, tell me the other two. I don't want

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: this to be terrible.

1409
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 2: Another one in the ACC. The ACC is dominating the

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01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 2: market on head coach Brent's.

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01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: Uh oh, Brent Key, Brent Keyah.

1412
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,839
Speaker 2: The fourth is a hot seat coach in the SEC

1413
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 2: potential hot seat coach. We'll see.

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01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: Oh, Brent Venables.

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: Brent Venables, I give you right now. On October eleventh

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, we've got Brentertainment, Brent Key against Brent Prye

1417
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 2: to decide the king of the Brents. Okay, that's it.

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01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: They have fifty percent of college football's Brent coaches.

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01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm spitting all over my mind. Entertainment for Entertainment, October eleventh, Atlanta, Georgia,

1420
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: Bobby Dodd Stadium, ACC Network be there.

1421
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: Hit follow, hit subscribe. You don't miss any everyp So

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: let's go to overbawlers dot com. If you want to

1423
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 1: further support what Dan end I do for that, go

1424
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: over there Dan for myself, Tie, thanks for bearing with us.

1425
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: Big twelve coming up next. We'll talk to you then.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime as well, we stay soled peace,