WEBVTT - Road Rage: GRRRR!!! 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:12.760 Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.200 Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuff Bryant. Jerry's over there 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.640 eating some super crackers, which means this is stuffy. Yeah, 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.840 Jerry's following too close. Yeah, well she's sitting down at 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.120 the debt. So it's okay. It's dangerous to eat super 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.280 crackers right on someone's bumper, right, you could set somebody 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.479 off and they may go crazy on you and shoot you. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.000 That's right. Um. I would like to just right off 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.879 the bat say that. In Chuck's book Driving, there are 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.920 three kinds of drivers. Okay, I thought about this. Uh, 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.279 there are good drivers, Okay, it's me, which you're generally 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:52.040 just capable, confident. You make mistakes, but you're just in 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:57.319 control of your vehicle. Defensive driving. That's me. There are 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.800 bad drivers, that's me. Uh, nervous drivers. You know, have 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:03.320 you ever been a car with someone that just doesn't 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.640 feel confident behind me? That's the worst. It's scary. It's 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.480 not the worst. Actually that's coming. But also people who 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.520 are just in their own like I say, they have 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.560 their heads up their fannies. I say that a lot 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.920 in traffic, get your head out of your Fannie r H. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.000 So that counts as a bad driver, just in your 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.959 own world, basically not even thinking that there are other 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.120 people around you. That is still the second one. Yeah, okay, yeah, 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.240 I'm not I'm not number two. And then the third 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.679 is jerks. That's me and I think jerk. I think 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.640 we can reach people in the first two categories with 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:40.360 this read of this podcast, But you can't reach jerks. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.720 I don't know, man, because I definitely consider myself a 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.200 jerk in traffic, you can't reach jerks. And and this 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.960 reached me in a lot of voice. Well, then you're 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.240 not a jerk, because jerks are ones who are like 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.560 feel completely justified to like get up in front of 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.680 someone and slam on the brakes if as punishment. That 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.360 is jerk. So I wouldn't slam on my brakes. That's 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.560 just stupid and juvenile. But I would go around somebody 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:12.600 who cut me off and maybe cut them off, which 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.799 would make me a jerk. Right, that makes you a 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.440 dangerous driver? Okay, Well I agree, and I realized that 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.760 that being a dangerous driver is a really stupid, dumb 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:27.560 thing to do. And this article, Like I was already 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.040 on the road. You me hate the way I drive 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.360 a lot of times, right, so she's got me on 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.080 shortly as far as driving goes um and so like 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.079 I'm already in the mindset, but then reading this article 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.760 helped drive it home even further, like, yes, this is 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.800 really stupid. The thing that that the light bulb that 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.160 went on over my head was like, if you drive aggressively, 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.240 it's bad enough, right, it can be dangerous. It just 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.560 takes a very stressful situation. It makes it worse for yourself, hand, everybody. 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:01.880 But then one thing I hadn't considered. You might run 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.080 a foul of somebody who is like a genuine psychopath 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.400 that will run you off the road and kill you. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.680 It actually a weapon on you and try and shoot you. Right. 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.520 There's a there's a video of cell phone video of 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.400 a guy who was driving and there's a guy road 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.680 raging next to him or whatever, and the guy was 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.480 just filming him. And in the film, the guy pulls 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.800 out a gun and all of a sudden, a puff 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.640 of gray smoke comes out of the end of the 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.320 gun that's being pointed at the guy shooting the video, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.000 who's driving in the other has been fired unless that 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.600 gun just burped right. That guy was a doctor in Kentucky. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:40.080 The guy who shot at the other dude, So, um, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.160 you never know who you're going to run a foul 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.240 And that was one thing I hadn't considered. That Now 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.160 I'm like, oh yeah, I should probably add this to 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.480 the pile of reasons why I shouldn't drive like a jerk. Well, 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.600 and here's my caveat here is I think that any 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.720 of those three drivers I described can be You can 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.680 be any of those given certain circumstances on any given day. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.160 But what I mean by jerks or people that are 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.400 just they're out of the car, they're jerks. Personality wise, 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.960 they're jerks and that's just who you are, and that's 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.840 not who you are. Thanks man, I'm just about to 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.760 put you on the spot. But you took the initiative. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.680 How about that. So this is written by Jonathan Strickland 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.000 of tech Stuff, who ironically does not have a driver's license. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.000 Now he doesn't drive, but and you can tell that 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.840 Strickland wrote this because he talks a lot early on 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.960 about how dangerous and stressful driving is and how basically 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.080 you could sort of extrapolate you're a fool if you 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:36.240 drive a car pretty much. Yeah, that's why I don't. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.160 And um, road rage what we're talking about here is, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.960 um it's a of a fairly recent providence, which means 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.000 it's kind of one of those um like since cars 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.440 have been around, yeah, but even more recent than that, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.799 As far as as far as I can tell, they've 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:56.960 traced the origin of the term back to only and 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.599 it didn't really become like a nationally renowned thing until 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.640 the nineties. Um. And there was this this idea that 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.680 there was an epidemic of road rage going and I 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.320 think a lot of people still suspect that there's plenty 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.400 of road rage. But you don't hear the word like 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.320 epidemic used any longer as much. I think now everybody 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:20.279 just calls it driving. But the it's it's also contextually bound, right, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.960 there's not like a strict definition of it. No. But 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.760 you also you can't have road rage without having a car. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.560 And the more and more I looked into this, more 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.440 and more I realized that road rage is not you 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.680 can't just extrapolate it onto other conditions. It is a 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:42.760 very unique, very specific type of mental malady. Basically you know, 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:44.960 like because people behave in their car, and we see 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.280 this over and over when they talked to psychological experts 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:53.360 or psychologists, Um that it. It's you behave in your 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.279 car much differently like the things you would do in 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.400 a car you would not think of doing, like in 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.839 an elevator. Yeah, the car but stosa and you a 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.920 sense of um, not invincibility, but there's a little bit 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.400 there's like you can see the other person, but there's 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.440 a barrier between that person that gives you the confidence 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.320 in the arrogance to be like, here's my middle finger. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.000 Whereas like, like you said, if you were in an elevator, 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.760 you would not do the same thing. I said, floor 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.360 to get your head out of your middle finger. Right, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.680 So the car set you up for a certain sort 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:32.640 of psychological aggressiveness. It's become okay. But it's also also 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.919 when you're in a car, you're almost always plopped into 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.760 a set of stressful circumstances, and so all of this 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:44.880 together leads to a potential for road rage to just 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.400 kick in. Yeah, well there's uh someone and boy what 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.040 a name. Dr Leon James Um studies this a lot, 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.520 and he has even known as Doctor Driving because he 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.600 has been an expert witness to Congress on traffic psychology. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.039 That's all it takes to get a name like Dr Driving. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.039 I bet he never gets honked at with that vanity 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:08.520 plate in traffic right after driving. So um he believes 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.680 and I tend to agree with him that one of 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.239 the big causes of road rage isn't too many people 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.880 or traffic or whatever, but the way our culture views 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.960 aggressive driving. And he pointed out that children who see 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.200 their parents are nice and sweet folks, when they get 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.680 in a car, they see them driving aggressively and yelling 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.240 things and saying things. And this brings kids up with 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.400 this idea that wait a minute, when I'm in this 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.680 weird tin can on four wheels, or when my parents 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.320 are their personality changes. Yeah, I get to flip the 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.320 bird at people. Yeah, and it's fine. You can yell, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.880 scream and cuts would never do that in real life. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.760 But um so children see this and then it becomes 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.480 or if you just watch TV or movies, you know 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.640 aggressive driving is uh is the norm? Yeah? Have you 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:59.960 ever seen the Transporter Yeah? Or Bullet Yeah? Or Fat 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.800 st and Furious twelve or the best car chase ever? 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.320 Blues Brothers. Oh, that's a tough one. No, that's it. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:12.240 That's the one that's tough. That's the one fridge connection. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:18.280 Oh go to sleep better than the Blues Brothers. You kidding, 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.640 that's there's some great car chases. So so you've got 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.480 you have children seeing, um, their parents acting hostily and 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.760 aggressively in the car, learning that, right, do you have, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:35.800 like you said, fast driving being glorified to a certain degree. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:40.360 And then also, uh, it's married with this idea that 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.000 was around for a very long time. Our friends Sigmund 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.920 Freud came up with this um that if you have 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.520 some sort of base emotion like anger or whatever it 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.839 should be, it should be vented. Yeah, and that's not 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.760 the case. They're finding. There's this thing called Catharsis theory that, um, 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.280 if you have that base lee is what I just said, 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.199 that like if you're if you're frustrated, you just shout 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.199 and like being on your steering wheel and you'll feel better. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.960 And studies have found that no, actually you're just practicing 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:15.040 to be a better, better at being aggressive in real life, right, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.679 And that the supposedly the best way to do it 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.040 is just ruminate on it. Just basically sulk until it 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:27.320 goes away, or meditate. Sure, a couple of other things 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.200 that come into play are especially here in the United States, 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.760 UM in tendency to not back down because that's cowardly. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.160 We're taught to stand firm, and um a sense of 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.959 justice is that's a big one for me. Well plus also, um, 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.120 all of that is psychological. You can take it even 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.920 further down to the neurological and biological levels where when 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.880 you are in a situation where you perceive that you 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:58.360 are being encroached upon or threatened or something like that, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.640 your fight or flight syndrome is going to kick inch 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.520 or and you're going to react badly. You're going to 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:11.439 have the opportunity to feel aggressive because again, your flight 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.439 aspect is probably diminished because you feel protected and separated 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.760 from that driver by your car and their car, like 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.959 this is my area. So fight is probably going to 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.400 be the one that kicks in the most right and 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.760 when that happens, anger kicks in. And anger is this 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:32.520 article puts as a very seductive emotion. Yeah, that adrenaline. Um, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.800 it might not feel good in the moment, but adrenaline, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.760 you know, it's it's a rush and Uh, yeah, it 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.560 is seductive people. I don't know if they seek it out, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.320 but when it happens, it's not like that felt bad. No, 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.320 you're like, I feel like a million bucks. I'm gonna 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.800 go tell my boss what's what? But the and if 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.320 you're kind of getting that like this, this seems like 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.360 something of a hodgepodge or a kitchen sink of like 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.880 pop psychology, it very much is what I think. One 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.719 of the things that has kind of been pushed to 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.000 the wayside is the idea that road rage is made 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.280 up by the media or that it's is just nothing 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.880 but pop psychology. It does appear to be a real thing. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:19.160 It's very situational and context specific. Um. And yet because 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.240 it isn't fully understood all of the mechanisms and processes, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.880 there's a lot of room for morning talk show hosts 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:31.240 to to interview fraudulent experts on it and then that 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.760 become factor theory or whatever. Yeah, my my advice is 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.760 to not watch those shows ever unless we're on it, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.880 and to um, if you need proof, look around driving 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.480 a big city one day and just do that for 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.120 an hour and you will witness some kind of road rage. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.120 Well I was I read this article from like the 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.840 late nineties by this I think a sociologist or something. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.439 He was like, this is completely fabricated road rage epidemic. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.440 Road rage itself doesn't this um by by this guy, 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:07.400 And the person who interviewed the guy went about just 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.680 totally disassembling his argument. The guy, he was like strictling, 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.720 he didn't drive road to train, admitted he'd never never 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.040 experienced UM road rage or what it what it must 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.480 be like, or what people are saying as road rage, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.880 and he was just sure it didn't exist. He did 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.280 back it up a little bit with UM police reports 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.240 and all that stuff, but no, road rage definitely does exist. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.280 It happens. So let's take a break, Chuckers before we 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.920 go on, because I'm getting excited and I need to 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:57.719 calm down. All right, I'm feeling calm, alright, good. Um, 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.680 Let's talk about a little bit about just what goes 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.280 on in a typical incident. Uh, what you're looking at 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:09.840 is usually an almost always an escalation, a trigger and 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:14.720 an escalation an aggressive action. One person does something, someone 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.440 else does something back, like a punishment, and it escalates 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.760 from there, hopefully not too much, but like you said, 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.160 it can lead to murder. Well, yeah, man, there's this um. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:29.160 There's a guy out there who's called the um road 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:34.120 rage Killer has apparently killed multiple people, including this guy, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.680 Timothy Davison, who was UM, who was chased for fifteen 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.760 miles in Maryland, through Maryland and Pennsylvania before the road 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.920 rage killer forced him off the road and then got 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.040 out and shot him to death while he was in 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.079 his car. This person probably thinks they're making the roads 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.880 a safer place. I think they're also just a serial 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.960 killer who has this an unusual m O. That too, 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:01.040 uh So Dr James dr driving excuse me. He identified 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.760 a bunch of aspects of driving that that can contribute 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.000 to this, and that all makes sense. One is immobility 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.040 because you're um, you're stuck there. You can't like, you know, 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:12.600 if you're at home and you're stressed out, you can 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.240 go take a jog or something. Sure, go hit the 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:21.360 boxing bag, which is again I've been discounted the heavy bag. Um. 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.840 And when you're behind the wheel of a car, you 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.520 can't do that stuff unless you have a speedbag like 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.800 hanging in the driver's seat. And then similarly, you're also 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.320 feeling a sense of constriction right, Like, you're on the 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.280 road and it's the open road, and it's a big road, 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.000 but I mean, really, it's just several feet across. You 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.280 gotta stay on it. Yeah, you have to stay on it. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.320 You're you're boxed in. Uh So that makes sense. Lack 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.440 of control. Even if you are one of the good drivers, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.720 like I mentioned, in control of your vehicle, you cannot 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:58.360 uh predict or have any control over the drivers around you, 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.720 or traffic or can struction or whether or anything else 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.040 that can add up to a cruddy commute, right. And um, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:10.200 what's more, you don't have the option of just abandoning 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.280 your car or in traffic gets bad, So you're stuck. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.680 Oh you can if you're Michael Douglas and falling down, right. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.200 But that's what made that act so radical and kicked 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.280 off and established his character. He just leaves his car 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.760 in traffic. People don't do that, which contributes further to 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.400 that lack of control. You're stuck there, whether you like 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.920 it or not, unless you want to give up your car. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.000 For a lot of people like the cars the most 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.480 expensive possession they own, and so they're not going to 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.960 abandon it. So that to me, the lack of control. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:46.720 That is probably the most um seaconed situation or aspect 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:51.360 of um of driving that can lead to aggression and 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.240 hostility and stresses like you're if you're if you need 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.160 to be somewhere, and you left in time, and you 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.680 made sure that you got up early and you got 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.960 out there, and everything's great on your end, but then 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.560 you pull right into traffic, and you know you're going 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:10.040 to be late. Well, that's not fair. It's not fair. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.960 It's just it's it's unjust. That's right, and it's everyone 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:18.120 else in front of your's fault, that's right. Territoriality is 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.720 a big one. Um. Like I said earlier, this is 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:25.560 our space, and if you infringe upon that space, there's trouble. Uh. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.840 Denial and loss of objectivity is a pretty obvious one 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:33.600 because no one it's never your fault, right you know, Yeah, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.200 it's not you, it's the other true. Yeah, although that's 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.800 not true for me. I will in case I do 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.480 a bone head move or when that happens, I'm always 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.600 very quick to say I'm sorry. Well, I will get 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.920 very mad if they they continue to yell at me. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:48.680 If I'm like, oh, I'm sorry about that. That was 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.720 you know, my fault and then they're still yelling at me. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.640 Oh yeah, they've got half right. Then then I'm like, 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.280 they have a half a second to accept your apology 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:01.480 or ignore it if they if they escalate on right, Yeah, Like, 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.040 what do you want to put me in stocks and 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.520 flog me? I'm saying I'm sorry here, and I do 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.960 the same thing, chuck, Like if I do something stupid 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.680 like I almost every time, we'll be like, sorry, throw 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:20.040 the hand up. Sure, just the all fingers sticking up right. Unpredictability, Um, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.080 you never know what's going to happen out there, so 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.280 that can make it stressful if you're not confident. Yeah, 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.600 especially if you're not confident. I imagine that's a terrible 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.200 way to drive. Uh. And then ambiguity. I never really 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.439 thought about that, but I'm strickling points out there is 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:37.800 no um mutually agreed upon the way to say you're sorry. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:39.720 I've always kind of thought it was throw the hand 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.600 up a nod hand. And I think people are perceptive 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.240 enough to tell when you're sarcastically waving, like when somebody 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.199 wouldn't let you in even though you had your blinker on. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.560 And finally you're like, I'm forcing my way in front 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.320 of you, and then you give them that sarcastic wave 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.159 like thanks so much, I'm in front of you even 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.280 though you didn't want me to. I think people can 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:03.240 distinguish between that wave and like uh sorry, shoulders hunched, 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:08.359 sorry kinda, or the appreciate it wave is a great 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.560 when you're up, you're waving, you're turning about in your seat, 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.199 maybe you turn your winshell wipers on and a salute 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.920 to the people. Yeah, do you can tell the difference? Yeah, 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.000 you know, let's let someone over. I found more and 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:24.159 more people are intentionally don't let people in. If someone's like, 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.760 oh I miss my turn, such can I get in there? 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.880 And people like what kind of psychopath? What kind of sociopath? Oh, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:36.440 it's the same thing whether no, no, no, I would 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.840 let you in, but I'm not gonna do it. The 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:40.879 roads are lousy with those people. And you know what, 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.280 when I see somebody else do that, I'm just like, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.920 I'll be like you piece of garbage to the person 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.399 who wouldn't let the other person in. But then every 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.680 once in a while, and I'm really shocked and just 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.120 made when this happens, like, um, somebody will be trying 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:55.920 to like go ahead of me, and I know they're 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.240 gonna get in front of me, and I'll like look 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.920 down and I didn't realize it, but I've been accelerating 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.440 rather than just going the same speed I was before. Unconsciously, 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.760 I'm like, you're not getting in front of me, so 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.600 I'm like speeding up. And it's just such a horrible 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.359 thing to do. When I realized it, I'll I'll stop 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:18.040 and let them go or whatever. But um, yeah, it's 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.920 almost unconscious. Sometimes some people you can tell that it's 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.160 very much conscious, they're just not letting the person in. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.280 But I think sometimes it's also unconscious, like people don't 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.200 they don't want to be behind somebody. Yeah, and I'll 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.679 also point out to that, you know, you should let 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:36.600 people over and stuff, just to be nice and pay 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:42.480 it forward. But um, for why is that so funny? 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.639 Think it funny? Oh, I didn't even see that movie. 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.639 That's a real term. You wouldn't say you wouldn't use 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.840 that term if you've seen the movie. Um. But sometimes 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.240 if someone has you know, missed their turn and they're 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.440 blocking an entire row of traffic that is trying to turn, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.320 sometimes you just gotta be like you missed your turn, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.399 Like take the right turn around and start over, Like 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.720 there's forty people behind you that didn't miss their turn. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.560 They're trying to take that right. Man. Totally agreed. And 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.480 those people are like, Nope, I'm just gonna sit here 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.719 or blocking the box and an intersection, Yeah, you just 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.360 sets everybody back big fines in New York City. Not 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.160 not in Atlanta. It's a free for all here in Atlanta. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.959 Anybody can pull into an intersection at any time and 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.480 block as much traffic as they want. And it's partially 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:39.680 um the traffic planners are partially responsible for this chuck. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.960 There are plenty of dumb lights out there in dumb 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:47.879 intersection systems that need to be improved. But is you 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.520 just you don't block the box. If everybody agrees not 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.399 to block the box, then traffic will actually move a 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.760 lot faster for everybody. Yeah, well, actually take a step back. 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.920 The real rule is don't enter and in section if 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.040 you cannot get completely through the intersection. Well that's the thing. 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:07.320 Don't block the box. Yeah, but sometimes people think like, oh, 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.320 well I think I see traffic moving, I'll just go 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.960 ahead and get out there. Then that light turns and 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.919 then you're sitting in there like a jerk. What we 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.520 need is just driver lest cars do the thinking for 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:22.280 us or people without their heads up their fannies. Um, 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.240 all right, so is it road rage? Is it aggressive driving? 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:31.040 It's hard to determine that because, um, you ask a 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.200 hundred people and you're gonna get a hundred different answers. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.919 Like some people say, like, no driving, driving forty and 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:43.680 a thirty is fine, that's not aggressive. Yeah. Supposedly forty 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:47.120 seven percent of Americans consider driving ten miles an hour 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.960 or more over the speed limit to be a type 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.040 of aggressive driving. That's part of the problem is you 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:57.399 have wildly different opinions on what aggressive driving is, right, So, um, 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.560 not only do you have different opinions on that aggressive 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.159 driving is if even if people all agree, yeah, like 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:09.639 tailing somebody is following way too closely is aggressive driving? 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.480 I think pretty much everyone can agree on that, there's 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.080 still no quantifiable way to say that. Is it like 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.680 three ft is it a car length? Well, car length, 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:22.080 like there's their actual laws that say the amount of 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.800 car links you're supposed to behind someone, how many, Well, 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:29.400 it depends on your state. What state Georgia Uh, well, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.560 I haven't taken the driver's test thirty something years, but 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:35.240 if I remember, like if they teach you in Driver's ed, 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.600 like two car links is safe and unless it's raining, 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.879 and then you're supposed to increase it by one. But 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:46.240 I mean there are rules that's not just indeterminate. People 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.080 don't follow them, but like that's where you'll get a 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.320 ticket if you rear end someone. Right, once you rear 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.679 end somebody, But people very rarely get pulled over for 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.840 just for following, of course, not unless you're following a 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.120 cop too closely. Okay, agreed? Like people, there's no real 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.760 definition necessarily of road rage, although Strickling points out that 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:11.320 there's a lot of people say what would constitute aggressive 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:15.480