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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuff Bryant. Jerry's over there

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Speaker 1: eating some super crackers, which means this is stuffy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jerry's following too close. Yeah, well she's sitting down at

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Speaker 1: the debt. So it's okay. It's dangerous to eat super

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Speaker 1: crackers right on someone's bumper, right, you could set somebody

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Speaker 1: off and they may go crazy on you and shoot you.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Um. I would like to just right off

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Speaker 1: the bat say that. In Chuck's book Driving, there are

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Speaker 1: three kinds of drivers. Okay, I thought about this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there are good drivers, Okay, it's me, which you're generally

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Speaker 1: just capable, confident. You make mistakes, but you're just in

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Speaker 1: control of your vehicle. Defensive driving. That's me. There are

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Speaker 1: bad drivers, that's me. Uh, nervous drivers. You know, have

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Speaker 1: you ever been a car with someone that just doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel confident behind me? That's the worst. It's scary. It's

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Speaker 1: not the worst. Actually that's coming. But also people who

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Speaker 1: are just in their own like I say, they have

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Speaker 1: their heads up their fannies. I say that a lot

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Speaker 1: So that counts as a bad driver, just in your

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Speaker 1: own world, basically not even thinking that there are other

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Speaker 1: people around you. That is still the second one. Yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not number two. And then the third

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Speaker 1: is jerks. That's me and I think jerk. I think

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Speaker 1: we can reach people in the first two categories with

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Speaker 1: this read of this podcast, But you can't reach jerks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, because I definitely consider myself a

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Speaker 1: jerk in traffic, you can't reach jerks. And and this

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Speaker 1: reached me in a lot of voice. Well, then you're

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Speaker 1: not a jerk, because jerks are ones who are like

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Speaker 1: feel completely justified to like get up in front of

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Speaker 1: someone and slam on the brakes if as punishment. That

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Speaker 1: is jerk. So I wouldn't slam on my brakes. That's

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Speaker 1: just stupid and juvenile. But I would go around somebody

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Speaker 1: who cut me off and maybe cut them off, which

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Speaker 1: would make me a jerk. Right, that makes you a

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Speaker 1: dangerous driver? Okay, Well I agree, and I realized that

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Speaker 1: that being a dangerous driver is a really stupid, dumb

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Speaker 1: thing to do. And this article, Like I was already

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Speaker 1: on the road. You me hate the way I drive

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, right, so she's got me on

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Speaker 1: shortly as far as driving goes um and so like

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Speaker 1: I'm already in the mindset, but then reading this article

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Speaker 1: helped drive it home even further, like, yes, this is

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Speaker 1: really stupid. The thing that that the light bulb that

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Speaker 1: takes a very stressful situation. It makes it worse for yourself, hand, everybody.

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Speaker 1: But then one thing I hadn't considered. You might run

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Speaker 1: a foul of somebody who is like a genuine psychopath

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Speaker 1: that will run you off the road and kill you.

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Speaker 1: It actually a weapon on you and try and shoot you. Right.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a video of cell phone video of

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Speaker 1: a guy who was driving and there's a guy road

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Speaker 1: gun just burped right. That guy was a doctor in Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: The guy who shot at the other dude, So, um,

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Speaker 1: you never know who you're going to run a foul

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Speaker 1: And that was one thing I hadn't considered. That Now

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, I should probably add this to

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Speaker 1: and here's my caveat here is I think that any

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Speaker 1: But what I mean by jerks or people that are

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Speaker 1: they're jerks and that's just who you are, and that's

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Speaker 1: not who you are. Thanks man, I'm just about to

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Speaker 1: put you on the spot. But you took the initiative.

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Speaker 1: How about that. So this is written by Jonathan Strickland

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Speaker 1: of tech Stuff, who ironically does not have a driver's license.

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Speaker 1: Now he doesn't drive, but and you can tell that

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Speaker 1: Strickland wrote this because he talks a lot early on

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Speaker 1: And um, road rage what we're talking about here is,

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Speaker 1: just calls it driving. But the it's it's also contextually bound, right,

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Speaker 1: there's not like a strict definition of it. No. But

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Speaker 1: you also you can't have road rage without having a car.

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Speaker 1: And the more and more I looked into this, more

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Speaker 1: can't just extrapolate it onto other conditions. It is a

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Speaker 1: very unique, very specific type of mental malady. Basically you know,

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Speaker 1: like because people behave in their car, and we see

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Speaker 1: Whereas like, like you said, if you were in an elevator,

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Speaker 1: So the car set you up for a certain sort

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Speaker 1: ever seen the Transporter Yeah? Or Bullet Yeah? Or Fat

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of room for morning talk show hosts

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Speaker 1: and to um, if you need proof, look around driving

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Speaker 1: Well I was I read this article from like the

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Speaker 1: That to me is road rage. Yeah, I've I've gotten

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Speaker 1: much worse, I have to admit about. You know, when

425
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: the light turned screen, it used to be just a

426
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: polite lot like someone doesn't notice just a little the

427
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: light screen. But now the person is invariably looking down

428
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: at their phone, and I don't just do a kind

429
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: little beep anymore. Yeah, I give him a hawk. And

430
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: the other day, oh man, I had a lady sitting

431
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: at the green light, on her phone texting. I could

432
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: see her hot good at her. She flips me off

433
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: and continued like I'm gonna finish my text. My god,

434
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: oh dude, I had to like channel every like you know,

435
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: catch Stephens song on the planet running through my head.

436
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: They're not good nuts because I fall into the trap too.

437
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm not perfect that I was. I was so angry

438
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: at the injustice of her to being like, no, no, no,

439
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: I know it's green. Shut up, I'm gonna finish this text.

440
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Or similarly, I'll notice people who are, um, it's not

441
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: quite that hostile, but like you'll beep and they'll look

442
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: up and they'll see like, oh, it's green, and then

443
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: there they start to do both. They're still on their phone,

444
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: but then they start to drive, but they're going like

445
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 1: a half a mile an hour, and it's not that

446
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: much better than flipping you off and sitting there continuing

447
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: to text. At least that lady knew where she stood. Yeah,

448
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: maybe I should give her credit for just being herself,

449
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: you know. Um alright, so dr driving Um he lifted some.

450
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: He divides aggressive driving up into three areas that I

451
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: think are pretty emblematic of what you see every day.

452
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: There's impatience and inattentiveness, which is sort of what I

453
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: was talking about earlier. You're rolling through stop signs, you're

454
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: blocking the box, You're you're sitting there on your cell phone,

455
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: you're speeding. Um, you have your head up, your Fannie

456
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: or your your other excuses. I'm super late. I'm sorry,

457
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: but I'm really late. Yeah. These are almost two two sides,

458
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: two opposite sides of the same coin. Um, but they are.

459
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: They constitute doctor Driving's lowest level of aggressive driving or

460
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: road rage, depending on your definition. Right. Don't you find

461
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: that a little disconcerting that after all these years, we

462
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: still don't have a distinct definition for road rage and

463
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: that there's a guy named doctor Driving at the vanguard

464
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: of the study of this. Yeah, uh, alright, escalates into

465
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: number two, which is a power struggle. And this is big,

466
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, this is a big deal. This is when

467
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: you are, um flipping someone off, they're flipping you off.

468
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: You've rolled your window down, You're making that eye contact

469
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 1: that they don't recommend you make. Um, I'm much more

470
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: passive aggressive. I'd never make the eye contact. Right, do

471
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: you like scratch the side of your face? It's just

472
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: your middle finger. No, No, I don't do that. I

473
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: don't flip anyone the bird. That's just I'm just like,

474
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: you never know who that person is. Yeah, Like I

475
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: don't want to have someone run me off the road

476
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: and try and kill me basically, right, See, that never

477
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: even occurred to me. And I'm a passive, aggressive Southerner.

478
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: That's really probably why um tailgating people cutting them off

479
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: acts of retaliation, and basically he says that this is

480
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: people with an unhealthy mentality when you think that you're

481
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: the target of someone else, like that person is after me,

482
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: which can be the case my That happens to me

483
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: a lot. Like anyone who's driving slow in front of

484
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: me in the fast lane is purposefully not getting over

485
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: because they don't feel like they have to and it

486
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that I'm behind them. They just they don't

487
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: have to do it. They don't care that there it's

488
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: their right to be in the fast lane just as

489
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: much as mine, even though they're driving slower. That is

490
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: the one of the greatest challenges in my entire life,

491
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: is just dealing the lane. Yeah, yeah, that's one of

492
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: your big peeves. You know. Georgia has a law now

493
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: where you can be fine for driving slow in the

494
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: fast lane. Yeah. We we actually talked about that on

495
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: an episode, and I think we were we were talking

496
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: it up and we got some mail from people like

497
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: that's a ridiculous, dangerous law. I'm like, no, that's a

498
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: great law. Our response to all of them work, get

499
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: out of the left lane problem solved, so that one's mine,

500
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: where it's like, I have to remember, there's nothing personal

501
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: and even if that guy is like, well, it's my

502
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: specific right to be on the fast lane to jerk,

503
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with me. The person doesn't

504
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: know me. It's not anything to do with my day.

505
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: And um we I was reading this thing in Pacific Standard.

506
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: Did you read the article. It's called the Psychology and

507
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: Biology of road Rage, And they were talking about how

508
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: it's potentially one of the things that people with road

509
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: rage have is called intermittent explosive disorder, where you basically

510
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: disproportionately rage towards a stimulus, right, yeah, to any given stimulus.

511
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: So they were saying, like, I got the impression like

512
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a stretch. They were saying that

513
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: people with I E. D Um. It doesn't necessarily mean

514
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: that if you have road rage, you have I E D.

515
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: But they were saying that road rage could be a

516
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: symptom of I E D. But the thing that I

517
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: got that's part of this Internet intermittent explosive disorder. The

518
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: thing that stuck out to me was hostile hostile attribution bias. Yes,

519
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: that seems to come up a lot in road rage. Yeah,

520
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: and I think, um, I guarantee you that's tied to

521
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: narcissistic personality disorder. It just sort of goes hand in

522
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: hand basically, like they're the injury or threat is not

523
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: an accident. It is purposeful um and personal right. But

524
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. When somebody's driving fast in front

525
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: of me, me being a narcissist, apparently I have to

526
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: I have to say, like as whatever I can just

527
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: go around him, doesn't matter, even if they are like

528
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: I know who you are, I know you're in front

529
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: of It really changes nothing. Now we're still going seventy

530
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: eight miles an hour down the highway in metal boxes,

531
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: which means safety first, no matter what. Yes, So do

532
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: you get up in front of him and then do

533
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: the old Dallas them with your winch of wiper fluid? No?

534
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I've seen people do that before, Like,

535
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: all right, I guess I gotta turn on my wipers

536
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: for a second. Now. I have never taken that as

537
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: a hostile act, although I'm sure people do do the thing.

538
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: I've seen people do that. No, Like someone will cut

539
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: you off and they'll get in front on the high

540
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: way and squirt their because it speed. Yeah, no, I

541
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: know what you mean. Children basically acting like children. I

542
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: will um. I have gotten to the point now I've

543
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: gotten way better, Chuck, I really am have learned to

544
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: just keep my aggressive driving and check um and just

545
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: let it go, let it go, and like I'll still

546
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: be a spark there, but I've gotten to a point

547
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: where I can be like, it doesn't matter, just go

548
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: around them right until it bleeds, until it work their

549
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: way all the way through. See you come in the mornings,

550
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: you're just bloody in the face. But if it's really bad,

551
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: if somebody is clearly just being like an arrogant jerk,

552
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: like this is my fast lane to my taxes paid

553
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: for this, I don't have to get around you. And

554
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: it's a real thing. I've got this thing now. Where

555
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: as I'm passing them, pass them slowly and calmly and

556
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: everything safe. But I'll just be like staring forward with

557
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: this huge overbite. Likely this is the slight and it

558
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: works really great. That's pretty good, and it feels pretty

559
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: good to me too. It feels more clever than like

560
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: shooting someone in the bird. You know, anyone can throw

561
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: out a middle finger, unless I guess you don't have

562
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: the middle finger. You know, it's a problem. So the

563
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: final bit, the final category is recklessness and road rage,

564
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: and that's when it escalates to full on violence. I'm

565
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: gonna use my car's weapon or I have a weapon. Yeah,

566
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: And the same Pacific Standard article UM reference to an

567
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: article in the journal Sexy Sexy Journal UM Accident Analysis

568
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: and Prevention and found that UM, the presence of a

569
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: gun increases road raging aggressive driving behavior, like even if

570
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: even if the person doesn't pull it out, just knowing

571
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: it's in the glove compartment makes it more likely to

572
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: be hostile. Yeah, it says they're more likely to make

573
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: obscene gestures at motorists and follow aggressively behind the car

574
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: ours And they're saying, does that mean that you have

575
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: a gun, you are going to drive more aggressively? They

576
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: can't say that, of course, or do you or are you?

577
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: Or if you're in an aggressive driver, you're just more

578
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: likely to be the same type of person I have

579
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: a gun, right, exactly interesting study though, for sure. Um,

580
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: and and that that same guy actually what's his name

581
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: or this other dude, Emil Cakaro, he's a or Cakaro,

582
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: he's a professor. He's a professor at a University of Chicago.

583
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: And he makes a great point. His advice is, don't

584
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: assume the other person is like you, yeah, like they

585
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: may be crazy. Don't assume they don't have a gun. Yeah,

586
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: don't assume that they're rational and reasonable and that like

587
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: it can stop escalating at some point. Yeah, That's what

588
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: I tell Emily all the time. I'm like, I trust you,

589
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: I said, but you don't. You don't know if you

590
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: flick someone off like that may be it for you.

591
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: And that would really be upsetting if I lost you

592
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: to road rage because you hung some crazy guy bird Like,

593
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: that's the most senseless, one of the more senseless ways

594
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: to die. Didn't you say yes? Okay? Which which leads

595
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: definitely up there, which leads to preventing rage Chuck, which

596
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about right after this. All right, Josh,

597
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: we've we've vented a lot here today. I know, even

598
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: though they say that's not healthy, I do feel a

599
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: cathar boy. Pair this with our traffic podcast and that's

600
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: that's driving goodness. That was the breaking bubble, Yeah, the

601
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: break bubble. So how can you avoid road rage? Everyone

602
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: makes mistakes behind the wheel? Um, you can. And actually

603
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: there was a little sidebar in here about these guys

604
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: that came up with the vehicle signaling system to say

605
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's not a bad idea because horns, depending

606
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: on the horn in your car, it can sound aggressive itself,

607
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: even when you do not mean it that one yea,

608
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: Even that tap tap the wrong horn sounds like honk

609
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: honk yep. But like, yeah, that wouldn't be a bad

610
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: idea to have a little light that pops up that

611
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: says sorry, and then if they don't forgive you another

612
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: one that pops up. This is I said I was sorry,

613
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: one last chance. But people will figure out how to

614
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: use those sarcastically, like cutting someone off and slamming on

615
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: the brakes while flashing I'm sorry. Someone will someone would

616
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: use it like that. I would have three lights when

617
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: that says I'm sorry to that said I just said

618
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: I was sorry, and three that says you're dead to me,

619
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: And then they would have one that says I don't care.

620
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: But then like the to me would burn out without

621
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: you knowing it. It would just say you're dead. Yeah

622
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: you go, oh god, the road rage killer. All right,

623
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: so everyone makes mistakes. Hold on, I did read an

624
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: article all about I think afford Um executive who's in

625
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: charge of the horn, like trying to figure out how

626
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: to make different types of horns. So like in Europe

627
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: apparently they have horns available to them. Yeah, that wasn't

628
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: just Europe, that was Europe in that you just did.

629
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: So what are you saying? It can become like when

630
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: you go to buy a car, I said, I want

631
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: this kind of horn, Yeah, or you it comes equipped

632
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: with a horn that has different functions and capabilities for

633
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: different situations. That's a great idea. Like supposedly Tesla has

634
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: one that's like muted for use with pedestrians so you

635
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: don't scare the Jesus out of them. Yeah sure. Um,

636
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: so there's there's other ones, like a chirping one that's

637
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: supposed to be friendlier, right, and then there's the the

638
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: Semitruck air horn, which you can get it foot in

639
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: your car that liquefies your ear canal. Yeah. My problem

640
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: was with the rental cars. Their horns are always lame.

641
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, any like not even much of a sound. Supposedly,

642
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Hyundai released the Sonata and like it was a great car,

643
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: but everybody hated the horn because they they found it

644
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: to be too wimpy. They had to like rerelease it

645
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: with a better horn. I believe it. Um, do you

646
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: remember did you watch a Little Miss Sunshine? No? I

647
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: never saw. It's a good movie. There's a running gag

648
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: that they're old beat up. B W Van has a

649
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: horn that will go off occasionally, just without but it

650
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: sounded exactly like my old VW Beetle had a horn

651
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: that was like you cut in and out and it

652
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: would for a time, whenever I took a hard left turn,

653
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: it would it would go off, but it wasn't allowed.

654
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: It was just like it sounded like a dying person

655
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: gasping for air. A death rattle, Yeah, a death rattle horn. Um,

656
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: that's a good movie. You should check that out. Death

657
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: rattle a little well, that death rattle too, and three

658
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: and then little miss Sunshine, you should check out pay

659
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: It Forward to see why you should stop saying pay

660
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: it forward, I have no desire um. Alright, So everyone

661
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: makes mistakes back to that, but you can avoid this

662
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: escalation and conflict if a you don't know, you don't

663
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: do the eye contact deal. They say, that's like, just

664
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: like a wild animal, don't look him in the eyes.

665
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Or wait, I thought they said, do look him in

666
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: the eyes to stare him down. On what animal? Yeah, alright,

667
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: like if it's a rat, stare it down. Okay, but

668
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: it's a sign of aggression. Pull up someone and you

669
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: look him hard in the eye, that's yeah, exactly. Keep

670
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: control of your temper. That's a no brainer. Um, someone,

671
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: it is a no brainer. But that's tough to do.

672
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: Sit it is, especially if you're justice spells are ringing

673
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: like mine. Do like that person shouldn't get away with us, right,

674
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: lady in front of me, should not get have gotten

675
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: away with that? Alright? Uh, they didn't have done surveys

676
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: even that showed that drivers don't think that they're being

677
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: They think they're being assertive and not aggressive, so that

678
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: basically there can be a lot of mixed uh communication,

679
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: and your goal is to just I don't care what

680
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: they're doing. I'm not going to match what they're doing.

681
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: You're It's also called being the bigger person, you know,

682
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: just let it, let it go, don't let them make

683
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: you hit the gas pedal. Just think about all the

684
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: gas you'll save by not driving aggressively. In in return, Yeah,

685
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: and Strictlan points out that will seem unnatural to you

686
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: even to just say, you know what they're driving like that,

687
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: it's not my problem. They're they're a sad, angry person. Well,

688
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: he also points out that they're probably under as much

689
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: stress as you are. They may be late because apparently

690
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: UM in follow ups to UM two aggressive driving incidents

691
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: and road rage into the incidents, people frequently say they

692
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: were all they were under stress outside of their car.

693
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Already work, stress, life, stress, that kind of stuff, right,

694
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: So when you carry that into the extraordinarily stressful, unnatural

695
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: situation of driving a car, especially in traffic, UM it can.

696
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: It can. Also you're just already set up for it.

697
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: So if you step back and think maybe that person

698
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: is having a rough time in their life, it will

699
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: make it easier for you to just let it go

700
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: and be the bigger person. Yeah, it's a win win,

701
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: And we've all been there, and I think you can admit, like,

702
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: if you're just having a great day and everything's coming up, Josh,

703
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: you're probably much more laid back behind the wheel, you know.

704
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: But if you're super uptight about something, I think all

705
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: of us fall into that trap, you know. So, so

706
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: there are steps you can take to prevent falling into

707
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: that trap. There's one in here that cracks me up,

708
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: but it's totally true. Listening to relaxing music. I listened

709
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: to easy listening music, like basically radio the Botomy, and

710
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: it actually helps quite a bit. Really, Yeah, he says,

711
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: concentrating on breathing. I can't do that. Yeah, I mean,

712
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: that's get bored anytime I try to just focus on

713
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: my breathing. Yeah, you either get at that or not. Right,

714
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: So I've opted for relaxing music instead. Uh. He recommends

715
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: to get enough sleep. Um, I guess it makes sense.

716
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: Here's one that's you have to give yourself plenty of

717
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: time to where you're going. Sure, don't leave late and

718
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: expect to just have a pleasurable ride, right, um right,

719
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: you just can't you expect the worst expect that, you know,

720
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: and if you show up five minutes early, whatever, that's fine. Um,

721
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: people love punctual people. That's nice, right, Um if you

722
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: if it's out of your hands, though, then you should say, Okay,

723
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like not, oh god, I need to

724
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: cut through all this, which is kind of like you

725
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: mean is rolling on the ground laughing right now hearing

726
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: me say that, because I'm like, we have to go

727
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: to the airport. First of all, we have to leave

728
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: two and a half hours before our flight, and I

729
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: have to drive like a maniac on the way to

730
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: get there, even if we have plenty of time, because

731
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: there's a you got a deadline. Yeah, you don't want

732
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: to miss that flight. Nope, I get it. I get

733
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: super stressed with when I know I have to fly

734
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: that day because you don't know. You can look at

735
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: the traffic map, but sometimes it feels like you can't

736
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: leave early enough. You know. I've actually gotten a lot

737
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: more relaxed on that too. I think about it. You

738
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: miss like this little walking valume for me. Right, She

739
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: totally chilled me out in traffic. She chilled me out

740
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: about like missing a flight and all that stuff. So yeah,

741
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: I have chilled out tremendously. I still do drive aggressively sometimes.

742
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: That's right. I'm gonna work in progress, Chuck, I do too,

743
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: my friend, it happens. Uh. And we've already talked about

744
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: avoiding venting on that can actually increase your sense of

745
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: danger in frustration instead of calming you down and you're

746
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: and they're screaming and yelling that that's really not alleviating anything.

747
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: You know. I do know I can tell you afterwards.

748
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: Whenever I do it, I feel terrible about myself, Like

749
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: I was just like quite and just that. Go. Now

750
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: you look like a jackass to anybody who saw you

751
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: like going? Yeah, And um, you feel like a jackass too,

752
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: don't you. Yes, I do. That's what I say to myself. Uh.

753
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: So let's talk a few statistics here to close, shall we?

754
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: Oh wait, there's dr driving does point out one thing

755
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: that I think is probably right. One of the best

756
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: ways to deal with road rage, to prevent road rage,

757
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: is to teach little kids from an early age how

758
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: to drive safely, how to avoid road rage, that kind

759
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: of stuff. And I remember going to Safety City. Did

760
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: you ever go to Safety City? If you've heard of it?

761
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: Never heard of it. It It might have just been like

762
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: an Ohio thing, but we had a dangerous city. It

763
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: was that sounds kind of fun. Um. Safety city was

764
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: the opposite of that. There were dangerous there, but it

765
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: was all like plastic miniature stuff. So like there's a

766
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: jail in the center town and like it's like a

767
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: tiny city, okay, um with like streets and sidewalks and

768
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then buildings and all that, and

769
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: then you're on your big wheel riding around learning what

770
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: traffic laws are like. Really, so it's to teach kids

771
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: how to drive, yes, but also how to cross the

772
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: streets safely all that stuff. But you learn about the

773
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: danger of walking out in front of a car by

774
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: being a car yourself and having one of your peers

775
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: walk out in front of you, and like the first

776
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: couple of times you try to run them down, but

777
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: then you learn like, no, that's not cool because they

778
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: send you to jail. Was that part of school? I

779
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: don't remember what it was. I was pretty young. I

780
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: just remember my dad taking me to it and being

781
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: like a decent drive away from our home. So I'm

782
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: not exactly sure where it was when I went to it.

783
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: I just remember it was I got to bring my

784
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: big wheel, and I thought it was pretty great. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah,

785
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: it's funny to think about parents of uh and it

786
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: still happens today, But it seems like in the seventies

787
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: and stuff like what was going on in the car

788
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, far from teaching experience. Yeah, we

789
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: were looking at like old um child safety seats. Yeah,

790
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: they looked like they were worse than nothing. Yeah, like

791
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: this metal bar that would just cut you in two

792
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: if you hit it like fast enough. I mean like

793
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: these things couldn't have been safe, like an old rusty

794
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: spring like pointed at your temple. Yeah, it's just bad news. Yeah.

795
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: I got a you know, mistakenly flew in on this

796
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: last tour to Baltimore instead of Washington, d C. So

797
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: I had to take a cab. I was gonna take

798
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: like a bus in a train, but I was like, na,

799
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm running late, I need to get in a cab.

800
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: And I got in a cab to go from Baltimore

801
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: to d C. And it was the grumpiest oldest cab

802
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: driver I've ever met in my life. This guy was

803
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: in his mid seventies and immediately started honking at the

804
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: cab in front of him at the airport and dude,

805
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: this it was the perfect guy for what I needed,

806
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: because he drove like a bad out of hades to

807
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: get me there on time. And uh it was. It

808
00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: was comical and scary and awesome. Uh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

809
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: People who don't put their seatbell on because they're in

810
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: a cab. It's it's like, here's your brain. Yeah. I

811
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: used to not wear much in the back seat, but

812
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: I've gotten better about that. You need to. Yeah. I

813
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: always figure like I'll just hit the seat in front

814
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: of me, right, maybe so, but you might go flying

815
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 1: over the seat and kick the person in the front

816
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: seat to death. It's not just you kick him to death. Yeah.

817
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: Uh can we talk stats? Yeah, you dug out this. Uh.

818
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: Cities that are the most courteous and least courteous last

819
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: year Auto Vantage survey. They did one in two thousand nine,

820
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: and they did one in two thousand fourteen, and this

821
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: varies from year to year, But in two thousand fourteen

822
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: they listed Houston, Texas at our own Atlanta number two

823
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: least courteous, Baltimore d C in Boston as least courteous,

824
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: and that change from two thousand nine, which was New York, Dallas, Detroit, Atlanta.

825
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: The only holdover was Atlanta, all right in Minneapolis, which

826
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: surprises me. Yeah, and then how the mighty have fallen?

827
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: Baltimore in two thousand nine was the third most courteous.

828
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: In two thousand and fourteen, it was the third least

829
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: courteous out of like twenty five major cities. It makes

830
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: me wonder what kind of study this is. To be honest,

831
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: so they survey drivers who drive in rush hour traffic

832
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: at least three times a week and then ask them

833
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: questions that pertain to like aggressive driving and driving courtesy.

834
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not I mean it was a phone survey

835
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: and each participant spent about six minutes or whatever. But um,

836
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's about as legitimate as this these kind

837
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: of things get because it's the study of road rage

838
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: and apparently no one's serious about it. Most Doctor Driving

839
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: and he can't even be serious enough to just call

840
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: himself Dr James. Well he used to be Mr. Driving,

841
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: so he's definitely taking a little more serious. Um, he

842
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: went back to school. Most Courteous Cities last year, where

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Speaker 1: Portland isn't a or one, Pittsburgh st Louis. But Portland

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Speaker 1: was also number one in two thousand nine, so they're

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Speaker 1: there are chill people out there. That's been my experience. Uh, Portland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis,

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, in Charlotte, North Carolina as the most courteous cities.

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Speaker 1: So how about that? Yep? You got anything else? Uh? There?

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Speaker 1: I know one thing I did see, though, I was

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Speaker 1: surprised um Strickland sites study that found that women and

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Speaker 1: men are pretty close in aggressive driving behaviors self reported

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Speaker 1: aggressive driving in road rage experiences. It's like percent of

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Speaker 1: men but forty four percent of women. I would have

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Speaker 1: guessed the disparity would have been a little more, but

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Speaker 1: apparently road rage strikes both genders equally. I definitely see

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Speaker 1: angry women out there, um and angry dudes. It's both. Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 1: so that's road rage, dude. If you guys want to

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Speaker 1: know even more about roadbrage, type those words into the

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Speaker 1: search part how stuff works dot com? And since I

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Speaker 1: said search parts, time for listener mail. Yeah, and if

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Speaker 1: we didn't impart it, settle down out there. It's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: We're all trying to get by here. Everybody's got their

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Speaker 1: own life stresses that they're bringing of the road a

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Speaker 1: little more courteous. They didn't mean it to you personally,

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Speaker 1: so don't take it personally. Josh and Chuck and Jerry.

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Speaker 1: I've seen her drive? Oh yeah, I've never seen Jerry drive.

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Speaker 1: Is she like an aggressive driver? Now? Jerry drives very safely.

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Speaker 1: Remember she takes crazy routes. I remember that, like I've

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Speaker 1: cutting through this parking lot because this light stinks. And

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, but I think that's the commute route she

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Speaker 1: has just she had mastered it from Buckhead. I will

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Speaker 1: do that too. Oh yeah, me too. Um, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this wild signal from a pro. Oh cool,

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm a radio astronomer. Actually, yeah right, Actually

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Speaker 1: my sub field is radio transients, i e. Radio signals

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Speaker 1: detected once and ever again. Wait, is this person going

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Speaker 1: to debunk the wild signal right here? No, it's actually

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Speaker 1: a nice email. I felt like I had to right

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Speaker 1: in about the wild signal. I'm really glad I listened

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Speaker 1: to the episode. She almost didn't, because you guys really

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Speaker 1: did a great job nicely balancing the science and speculation.

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Speaker 1: So thank you. And when I get asked in the future,

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Speaker 1: I'll be shure to refer people to your wonderful coverage. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I thought i'd give a few more details

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Speaker 1: on it if you're interested. Um. On the it might

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Speaker 1: be real side of things, it's also worth mentioning that

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Speaker 1: the Big Ear telescope used to look at two points

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Speaker 1: on the sky at the same time, separated by a

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Speaker 1: small distance, like two separate pixels. The wild signal was

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Speaker 1: detected in one but not the other, which is another

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Speaker 1: good indication that it might indeed be coming from space.

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Speaker 1: On the it might be nothing side, however, some recent

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Speaker 1: work that I've done actually showed that some unexplainable signals

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Speaker 1: that we've detected at a radio telescope in Australia turned

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Speaker 1: out to be coming from microwave ovens at the telescope site.

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Speaker 1: Man made signals can sometimes interfere with radiote theoscopes and

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Speaker 1: ways we don't expect, so it's hard to know something

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Speaker 1: like that could have also produced a WILD signal. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to say either way. I don't have a strong opinion,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I mainly study things called fast radio bursts.

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Speaker 1: But I just wanted to say great job and thanks

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Speaker 1: for making my job easier rock On, Thank you rock On,

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Speaker 1: and that is from Emily Petrov, originally from Portland's Thank

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Speaker 1: you Emily, Oh courteous driver, probably now living in Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about Melbourne's driving and moving to the

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Speaker 1: Netherlands in January. If I passed my PhD defense in October,

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Speaker 1: oh man, good luck, Emily, way to go. I hope

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Speaker 1: to see you in the Netherlands. Are you know in

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Speaker 1: my mind? Got you? Uh? If you want to tell

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