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Speaker 1: and Randomness. Okay, here's the quick. The quick rundown is
Speaker 1: that Nathan tells Haley about his past gross but Haley
Speaker 1: continues to keep her emails with the secret. That's a
Speaker 1: good call back. Um. Karen decides to make Lucas's life
Speaker 1: as miserable as possible until he takes the heart test,
Speaker 1: and she asks Andy over while his house is in
Speaker 1: contractor's hands, and Dan hosts and even cooks for dinner
Speaker 1: with Keith and Jewels. Um baby, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of cat and mouse in this episode. I don't know
Speaker 1: how many people were super waiting for this episode in particular,
Speaker 1: but I really enjoyed this episode. It's picking up from
Speaker 1: a lot of the drama that we left off with
Speaker 1: with um Anna and Peyton in the last episode, and
Speaker 1: Felix and Brooke a lot of drama with Keith and
Speaker 1: Dan and Deb and Jewels and I mean, guys, that
Speaker 1: dinner scene when Keith and Dan, when Dan invites Juels
Speaker 1: and Keith over for dinner with Deb and then he's
Speaker 1: just playing the whole night. Oh okay, we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: That was like, I know, but he does it so
Speaker 1: well that it's just so delicious. He's like good villain.
Speaker 1: He's such a good villain. And we and you will
Speaker 1: get into that. Um well, you guys will get into it.
Speaker 1: Um because I have a flight to catch, so I'm
Speaker 1: only here with you guys for a few minutes. You
Speaker 1: tell us, what do you want us to talk about?
Speaker 1: We this was the episode where Anna said that thing
Speaker 1: that we talked about in the last episode. Look at
Speaker 1: all these people. They figured out what they want and
Speaker 1: they managed to find it. Um. So, I just thought
Speaker 1: that was just so interesting. And you know, you can
Speaker 1: listen to our last episode. But what did we call it?
Speaker 1: What did we call it? The myths? What was it?
Speaker 1: The perfect I said it should be the title, the
Speaker 1: perfect Myth, Perfect Myth. This idea. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: We all do it. Um. I Brooke does her Norma
Speaker 1: ray in this episode with the Lobsters the Masters. That
Speaker 1: was larious. I totally forgot about the lobster. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I got crabs at Carl's good God. And when he's like,
Speaker 1: I could get crabs anytime I want. When you guys
Speaker 1: are all threatening to what do you think it means, sir, Nope,
Speaker 1: not at all. Um. Lucas seems to be always stuck
Speaker 1: with people marriage bombing him like big suprise. Look, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like we need I feel like we need
Speaker 1: um oh my god, I feel like we need a
Speaker 1: montage of Lucas's face every time someone tells him we're
Speaker 1: getting married or somebody pat please, that's what we want.
Speaker 1: And this little fun thing this was the appearance of
Speaker 1: the phrase Hailey Bob, which the first time we ever
Speaker 1: heard this, and Lindsay McKeon says it as Taylor. Um,
Speaker 1: but the thing was in the script it was Hailey
Speaker 1: Bob like it was a little nickname. And this is
Speaker 1: a very little known fact because, um, I don't know
Speaker 1: how at some point in the writer's room it's spun
Speaker 1: out and into somebody decided Bob should be Haley's middle
Speaker 1: name as like a joke, as like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just because why not Lucas Eugene, Haley Bob and
Speaker 1: so something, because that's the way that she said. They
Speaker 1: were like, well she said Haley Bob, but everybody went,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, nobody will ever notice, will change it
Speaker 1: to Bob. And so it showed even on the subtitles
Speaker 1: on the TV because sometimes I have those on when
Speaker 1: we're watching together because I don't want to, um have
Speaker 1: it up too loud, and it said Haley Bob. But
Speaker 1: I knew, remember weird joy Like it's so so weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, as someone that gave my daughter a boy name, UM,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I appreciate that kind of like dual
Speaker 1: masculine feminine energy, but totally Bob lacks formality, and Haley
Speaker 1: is such like a Robert. I couldn't have been a Robert.
Speaker 1: Come on, Haley has a lot of first names. Baby,
Speaker 1: that's it is, you know, So that's kind of fun. Bob,
Speaker 1: that's the tattoo we should all get. Just like so
Speaker 1: it's so random and non secretary people are like, what
Speaker 1: my dad's name is Bob, so then people will be like,
Speaker 1: you got your dad's name tattooed on your body? Is
Speaker 1: that weird? Did he feel like it was a nod
Speaker 1: to him? He was just like, I don't think so funny.
Speaker 1: That's that's when you know that the writers are working
Speaker 1: to like two o'clock in the morning, because someone got
Speaker 1: punchy and was like, funny, I'll be really great. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. Well, friends, I have a flight to catch today,
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to be in this whole episode.
Speaker 1: But I love you guys, and talk amongst yourselves. I've
Speaker 1: got our orders. See you soon. This one was intense,
Speaker 1: the constant back and forth and and and the anchoring
Speaker 1: really of the tension in this episode between what Dan
Speaker 1: is doing to Keith, Jules and Lucas and deb and
Speaker 1: what Taylor is doing to Haley and Nathan. It is
Speaker 1: Can I just tell you the only safe space in
Speaker 1: this whole episode was broken Felix, like they were the
Speaker 1: only gentle space in the whole episode. Um, okay, well,
Speaker 1: so let's start at the beginning. Like Brooke is getting
Speaker 1: is this her first job? I think it's Brooks first
Speaker 1: ever job. I love that I love that, and it's
Speaker 1: looking at Carl's crabshack. Your first job should be embarrassing.
Speaker 1: That just seems like part of the deal. I also
Speaker 1: just love the start. She's so unwilling to give up.
Speaker 1: She is relentless and willing to be open and say, listen,
Speaker 1: this is the reason I need this job. I'm not
Speaker 1: giving up my car. You know I'm super I'm great
Speaker 1: with people. Just trust me. I'll be a good hire.
Speaker 1: And he says, well, you know, you can't be a waitress.
Speaker 1: I have a PR job. And she's so excited, honestly,
Speaker 1: just like, oh, PR, that's that's what I'm an expert at.
Speaker 1: I'm fantastic at this. Um Also, I look great and
Speaker 1: red was my favorite of Brooks, the silver lining of
Speaker 1: the whole situation. What was your first job? God? I
Speaker 1: had so really early on. Uh, I started being a
Speaker 1: babysitter for kids all in my neighborhood. I was always
Speaker 1: taking care of other people's kids. I eventually became, you know,
Speaker 1: like a counselor and training and a camp counselor. But
Speaker 1: I would have to I can totally see it was
Speaker 1: one of the real babysitter club girls like oh, it
Speaker 1: just like hit me. I loved those books. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: bet you did. You were definitely like a yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: one of one of the two little boys that I
Speaker 1: eventually was like close closer to being a nanny than
Speaker 1: a babysitter for when I was in high school, invited
Speaker 1: me to his wedding. Like my neighborhood kids were just
Speaker 1: saying no, they were just the sweetest. Um. But job job, like,
Speaker 1: because watching kids was fun for me, I had to
Speaker 1: do job jobs working for my dad every summer, and
Speaker 1: I was so mad. I was like, everyone's going to
Speaker 1: the mall and I have to like run film and
Speaker 1: edit stuff and you know, go go to the photo
Speaker 1: lab and hold reflectors and repaint floors and take out
Speaker 1: the trash. Like. My dad was like, oh, you're the
Speaker 1: boss's kid. You think you're getting any privileges. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you all the jobs nobody wants to do. And
Speaker 1: I did them. I was. I was basically like a
Speaker 1: p a for years every summer working at the studio.
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. I mean that's kind of
Speaker 1: how jobs used to work. You would apprentice under someone
Speaker 1: in your family until you master yourself. Um, It's probably
Speaker 1: why you're a good director because you know exactly what
Speaker 1: you want to look at. Um, yeah, that's true. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I mean that I wish I hadn't been I
Speaker 1: wish I hadn't been such a salty teen and I've
Speaker 1: actually paid attention to the technicality of Vogue shoots super glamorous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and I was just looking around like I can't
Speaker 1: believe I have to be here. And now people will say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know your dad was a photographer, So how do
Speaker 1: I how do I reset the I S O on
Speaker 1: my camera? And I'm like, I don't know of what
Speaker 1: you speak. I don't know what that means. I wasn't
Speaker 1: paying attention to know how to set up a shot,
Speaker 1: but I have no idea how a camera works. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. Yeah, they're so sorry. Dad. Maybe there's time.
Speaker 1: You've got like three your first story, more jobs in you. Um,
Speaker 1: I got a job. You could You could work in
Speaker 1: Virginia when you were fifteen if you had a workers permit.
Speaker 1: And so literally, like the second I was able to work,
Speaker 1: I filled out whatever paperwork I could because I was
Speaker 1: about that money. Honey. That's like what I was into.
Speaker 1: And the place where all of the like cool dudes
Speaker 1: worked was the Sports Authority and I I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I want to be there because I feel like it
Speaker 1: was all the dudes on, Like isn't that terrible that
Speaker 1: I just wanted to work where the dudes were whatever
Speaker 1: it m It was like all the track team and
Speaker 1: the soccer players and they were like cool, and you know,
Speaker 1: so I went and I applied for a job and
Speaker 1: the guy that worked there was so gross, smelly old Jim.
Speaker 1: He had this tupae with like the glue would run
Speaker 1: down his head and he was so mean. And I
Speaker 1: would get in trouble all the time because I never
Speaker 1: did add on sales. They would have secret shoppers and
Speaker 1: they're like, you have to do an ad on sale, Hillary,
Speaker 1: and so I would always be scored really poorly. But
Speaker 1: I just think add on sales are tacky, Like if
Speaker 1: someone wants to come in for a pair of shoes,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to offer that's all they want. Come on,
Speaker 1: don't ruin someone's day. And and so I started carrying
Speaker 1: around whistles because I was like, if I have to
Speaker 1: do an ad on sale, I'll just start doing whistles.
Speaker 1: And so that was like my thing I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you want to whistle with that parabike shorts? But it
Speaker 1: was a creep job for a young girl because there
Speaker 1: was a guy. They were like guys that would come
Speaker 1: in and be like, hey, where are the speedos? And
Speaker 1: then they'd like call you into the dressing room to
Speaker 1: be like how does this look? And you're just like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm a kid. I don't want to
Speaker 1: look at that. No. And then in that shopping complex,
Speaker 1: this was like a major scandal. There was a guy
Speaker 1: that was obsessed with like teenage girls feet and he
Speaker 1: would go from shop to shop and like want to
Speaker 1: look at your feet? And it was so weird. But
Speaker 1: I had like one friend that worked at the staples
Speaker 1: and another worked at like the supermarket, and we'd all
Speaker 1: compare notes, were like, it's the fund guy back girls.
Speaker 1: It's scary for teenage girls to go out into the workforce.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a felon that worked in our
Speaker 1: back room who like said, he's like, oh no, I
Speaker 1: definitely murdered this guy, but I got off on a
Speaker 1: technicality and he was always like I've said this, Like
Speaker 1: he was like, you look like nicky kidman For girls
Speaker 1: to go out into the workforce. It is frightening. Uh,
Speaker 1: boys just get to go to work. Girls have to
Speaker 1: go into environments where they're under threat and people. Some
Speaker 1: people will roll their eyes and say, that's an exaggeration.
Speaker 1: It isn't. No, my brothers have my brothers all worked
Speaker 1: in the same shopping complex. Not one of them had
Speaker 1: the funk guy come after them. Yeah, exactly. It's like
Speaker 1: grown men, just stop it, stop it. Let us go
Speaker 1: to work. Well, let us let us just addresses crabs
Speaker 1: and do our job and yeah, man and organized like
Speaker 1: Sally Field. God, I loved that. I loved having that
Speaker 1: moment because what I realized it was for Brooke as
Speaker 1: much as creepy Carl sounds like your boss from the
Speaker 1: Carl was just a smarmy guy who knew he could
Speaker 1: take advantage of young women who were in these situations.
Speaker 1: And there is that line in the episode that sometimes
Speaker 1: people do crazy things when they're desperate, and you know,
Speaker 1: it cuts to Jewels trying to figure out what to do,
Speaker 1: but it's true of really the both of us in
Speaker 1: this episode, Jewels and Brooke are having this kind of
Speaker 1: mirrored experience in the same way that you see you know,
Speaker 1: Dan and Taylor having a mirrored experience. And I loved
Speaker 1: seeing Brooke awaken to the potential of her mind and
Speaker 1: and igniting that justice flame. That was one of those
Speaker 1: places where I was like, Oh, they're starting to pull
Speaker 1: me into this character exactly exactly. We've all gotten those
Speaker 1: moments like joy with her music and you know, like
Speaker 1: I've said, me was slowing down with Jake and the
Speaker 1: bisexuality and stuff like that. Like I felt very seen
Speaker 1: like you organizing, you being a leader, like them tapping
Speaker 1: into that part of you. Is so rewarding to watch
Speaker 1: because it's not even Brooke. It's like, that's my friend, Sophia.
Speaker 1: She's here to burn down. I'm ready. She brought the matches. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but and what I like is that you see
Speaker 1: the the dynamics shifting even between her and Felix when
Speaker 1: she's telling him what's up, when she says, stop it
Speaker 1: with the money, I'll make my own money. I'll figure
Speaker 1: out all of this myself. I want to be independent.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like my mom. And in
Speaker 1: then in this episode, she gets this job and she
Speaker 1: knows it's wrong. She knows it must be illegal to
Speaker 1: not give people breaks she knows it's not right that
Speaker 1: they have to rent their own costumes. It's ridiculous, and
Speaker 1: he says, go the legal route, and she does all
Speaker 1: the research. She pulls up the information on OSHA. She
Speaker 1: gets versed in what is legal in the state and
Speaker 1: what unions can do, and it it makes her feel good.
Speaker 1: And you can see it, even when he jumps behind
Speaker 1: her on the bed and it's like, well, what are
Speaker 1: we doing. Okay, I'll help. She's got a project and
Speaker 1: it's for her, and then she decides she wants to
Speaker 1: be the class president. I love it. It's it's so
Speaker 1: sexy that he helps though, Like I yes, that is
Speaker 1: my favorite part about any relationship, whether it's a romance
Speaker 1: or a friendship, a relationship with your family members. Like
Speaker 1: being collaborative on something is so intimate and awesome. And
Speaker 1: this is like the first time I really liked Felix
Speaker 1: um me too. These last two episodes. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I get it. I get it. He's
Speaker 1: handsome and now he's helpful and he's he's dropped the
Speaker 1: like bad boy facade, which is so refreshing. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still confused as to why he got
Speaker 1: mad at Lucas for breaking up with Anna. But the
Speaker 1: end result is this like lovely friendship between Anna and
Speaker 1: Lucas that's happened. And I think it's very important to
Speaker 1: show a boy being supportive of Anna's exploration because a
Speaker 1: lot of times that gender line gets drawn and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is something I can only talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: with girls, or this is you know this broch um.
Speaker 1: Him being like a thoughtful, sensitive listener that isn't making
Speaker 1: it perverse or isn't like turning it into a maxim
Speaker 1: arm all. Uh, it's good. Lucas had some really lovely moments,
Speaker 1: he really did, and and I loved the parallel of
Speaker 1: them going for these walks. The first walk during the
Speaker 1: day along the river by the river court, and he
Speaker 1: does make a joke. He's like, oh, I'm picturing it,
Speaker 1: but he's joking. Yeah. He makes it so clear that
Speaker 1: he's joking. Chad did such a good read on that,
Speaker 1: And what's nice is it allows her, rather than feeling exposed,
Speaker 1: to tease him and be like, oh, don't be such
Speaker 1: a guy, because this is part of what she's afraid
Speaker 1: of is that people are going to tokenize her experience,
Speaker 1: and and then later when they go on their second
Speaker 1: walk at night down on the river front and she
Speaker 1: looks at all the people. It's what Joyce said last week.
Speaker 1: She says, look at all these people. They know what
Speaker 1: they want, they haven't figured out. It's such an iconic
Speaker 1: or perhaps that's not the right word, it's it's a
Speaker 1: timely confession. At the time that we were representing this
Speaker 1: on screen, there was still a lot of societal talk
Speaker 1: of your one or the other. And if you say
Speaker 1: you're by, you're just you know, I think it was
Speaker 1: a sex in the city line. Oh, if you say
Speaker 1: you're by, you're just on the train to gay town.
Speaker 1: Like you. Bisexuality is an identity. Some people are very
Speaker 1: drawn to both sexes. Good for you, by the way,
Speaker 1: double your dating pool. The world is literally your oyster.
Speaker 1: And when at the time, why wouldn't you. At the time,
Speaker 1: it wasn't something people were as comfortable with or as
Speaker 1: honest about as we are now. And I love looking
Speaker 1: back and seeing how beautifully Daniella played this person just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who she is and worrying that
Speaker 1: something's wrong with her, that she can't check a box.
Speaker 1: But by the way her finally checking up on the
Speaker 1: dating profile was yes, huge for this time. I do
Speaker 1: think kids now can appreciate what like a major deal.
Speaker 1: It was. Major people's careers were being imploded over being
Speaker 1: outed during these years, you know. And there were like
Speaker 1: certain actors that came out and they were told like, oh,
Speaker 1: you'll never play straight again, you know. And so there
Speaker 1: was a lot of trauma around speaking your truth or
Speaker 1: or talking about your sexual identity. So for our show
Speaker 1: to kind of have a safe space where m H
Speaker 1: people could put their toe in and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: well it's okay in Tree Hill, like canna be okay
Speaker 1: in my world too, um and I and I liked that.
Speaker 1: We didn't we didn't make it seem too easy. We
Speaker 1: didn't just say, oh, look here's this by character and
Speaker 1: everyone loves her and accepts her. We allowed for the
Speaker 1: journey to be what the journey of coming out has
Speaker 1: been for so many people. I'm scared to tell my family.
Speaker 1: People have made up things about me, They've said things
Speaker 1: about me, Rumors have spread. I feel bullied. I feel
Speaker 1: terrified to own my identity. And hopefully the first person
Speaker 1: you tell her, the second person you tell the people
Speaker 1: who you feel like you can trust, will love you
Speaker 1: and be patient with you and say I'm here, You've
Speaker 1: got me, let me know when you're ready to keep going.
Speaker 1: That is an experience that so many of my friends had,
Speaker 1: so many of us had, And I really, for all
Speaker 1: the things our show did wrong, I loved how this
Speaker 1: was handled. I wonder who was consulting on this? Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I know, because we weren't
Speaker 1: really privy to what was going on in l A
Speaker 1: at this time. Necessarily, Yeah, I'd be curious because it
Speaker 1: is done tenderly. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's seeing you
Speaker 1: reference when she decides to click either and she has
Speaker 1: this remember the either the either button? That was a
Speaker 1: big deal. Well, by the way, looking back, there's only
Speaker 1: a male female, there's no non binary option, but there's
Speaker 1: seeking male female either. And the look of pride when
Speaker 1: she clicks it, and you said, oh, I love this.
Speaker 1: You know, it was one of the moments that you
Speaker 1: exclaimed over while we watched it. Well, I remember, like
Speaker 1: when I first moved to New York and you'd get
Speaker 1: like the Village Voice, or you'd get local news papers
Speaker 1: and they were always classified in the back back in
Speaker 1: the paper days back in the Stone Age, and I
Speaker 1: remember moving to New York and seeing women seeking women
Speaker 1: and men seeking men and being like, oh my God,
Speaker 1: like I finally arrived in a city that's like like
Speaker 1: open minded, yeah, open, And I remember just like kind
Speaker 1: of thrilling over that because I didn't know that that
Speaker 1: was you know, that it existed outside of my small
Speaker 1: town in Virginia. Um, it was. It was cool. And
Speaker 1: so for us to show it on national television to
Speaker 1: an audience of teenagers, awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. You know
Speaker 1: what I like about that point you make, because I've
Speaker 1: talked a lot about how privileged I felt as a
Speaker 1: young person to grow up in a house where my
Speaker 1: father was an artist, because it meant that I grew
Speaker 1: up in a very diverse, very queer community, and I
Speaker 1: know not everybody has that privilege. And I know one
Speaker 1: of the things we bonded about early was that community
Speaker 1: being the best home for us. And and what's always
Speaker 1: been really interesting to me with you know, your experience,
Speaker 1: or the experiences of fans of our show who have
Speaker 1: opened up to us, or even the experience of advocating politically,
Speaker 1: is there are people who come from you know, places
Speaker 1: like you're describing small town in Virginia who maybe don't
Speaker 1: think they'll have anything in common with us, who say
Speaker 1: the things we don't love to hear. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: you go to the cities and everybody's queer and ever
Speaker 1: that the other, and it's like it's like, well you
Speaker 1: coastal people, it's and it's like, well, actually, the cool
Speaker 1: thing about a city if you come hang out in it,
Speaker 1: is that everybody lives side by side and everybody just
Speaker 1: lets everybody else do what they want to do. Everybody's happy.
Speaker 1: There's a reason people who live in communities that are
Speaker 1: diverse vote for everyone who could be considered other than
Speaker 1: them to have the same rights they do. Because when
Speaker 1: you know people, you know people and you love people.
Speaker 1: And it was nice I thought to represent that reality
Speaker 1: not on a show that took place in New York
Speaker 1: or Chicago or l a or Miami, but on a
Speaker 1: show that took place in a small town in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: That was probably the most important part is normalizing it
Speaker 1: in a way because we've talked about all the other
Speaker 1: teen dramas that take place you know, in like high
Speaker 1: for you know, they're not realistic settings it's all wish fulfillment.
Speaker 1: And if our show was anything, it was like, these
Speaker 1: kids are average until we all had like amazing careers
Speaker 1: later until we all turn into stars. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: Lucas is a very good friend to so many people
Speaker 1: in this episode. The Anna thing is is wonderful because
Speaker 1: she's the one place where he can dump all the
Speaker 1: things he's handling. He's dealing with his mother inviting another
Speaker 1: man into the home, which is massive, He's dealing with uh,
Speaker 1: Keith finding out that Keith slept with deb like bombshell,
Speaker 1: and then especially after Keith proposed to his mom right right,
Speaker 1: and then kid proposes to Lucas mom and then sleeps
Speaker 1: with Lucas's mom's best friend who also happens to be
Speaker 1: married to lucas real dad, Like this sounds like an
Speaker 1: episode of Jerry Springer, What's happening? And then the new
Speaker 1: bartender that works at his mom's bar just happens to
Speaker 1: be Keith's new girlfriend, who he finds out is like
Speaker 1: not an escort but close, you know, like she's being
Speaker 1: paid to date Keith, and it's it's a ton of
Speaker 1: information for a young person. It's a ton of process,
Speaker 1: but it's a lot. And you know what you just
Speaker 1: reminded me of. We were talking about this when we watched.
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating parallel because it is that's a lot
Speaker 1: for a teenager to try to make sense of, and
Speaker 1: especially because Jules says to him, it's real. I met
Speaker 1: Keith because of Dan, but I love Keith. I love
Speaker 1: him please. And what I loved was the scene where
Speaker 1: Luke and Nate meet at the River Court and Nate
Speaker 1: doesn't know what Lucas is talking about, but Lucas starts
Speaker 1: asking Nathan about how his set up with Haley to
Speaker 1: screw over his brother became real because it's the same
Speaker 1: thing Dan and Jules are doing the Keith what Nathan
Speaker 1: was using Haley to do to Lucas. So Lucas is saying, well,
Speaker 1: maybe you can lie a little to protect someone if
Speaker 1: it turns out okay. In the end, Haley almost left
Speaker 1: Nathan when she found out, even though Nathan had really
Speaker 1: fallen in love with her. So you see how this
Speaker 1: boy is trying to make this insane circumstance relative to
Speaker 1: what he knows in any way, it's a really well
Speaker 1: written episode. Well, yes, and you mentioned this the parallels
Speaker 1: between Taylor and Dan are sociopaths. I think that's what's
Speaker 1: so exhausting about this episode is like we can deal
Speaker 1: with one Dan, put two of them come two dances
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, they revel in making other people uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And like we've been around people like, oh yeah, they
Speaker 1: revel in making other people uncomfortable. They both I kept
Speaker 1: getting the vision while we were watching the episode of
Speaker 1: Just Twisting the Knife they're both knife twisters. Have you
Speaker 1: ever been around those people that want to get caught?
Speaker 1: Like it's like their mother didn't reprimand them when they
Speaker 1: were little, and they're like, I want you to yell
Speaker 1: at me. And that's what it feels like. Both Dan
Speaker 1: and Taylor are just like somebody, somebody stopped me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a bad baby, Yes, and it you know what
Speaker 1: it feels like as well to me watching Taylor in
Speaker 1: this episode, the way she she continues for what reason
Speaker 1: after the last episode, will never know. She continues to
Speaker 1: throw herself at Nathan to get undressed in front of
Speaker 1: him to tease him sexually. There are people, and I
Speaker 1: think we see them more represented archetypeal ly in stories
Speaker 1: as women because people love to villainize women. There are
Speaker 1: people who really get off on getting married people to
Speaker 1: cheat on their spouses with them. Weird like, and I've
Speaker 1: I've seen it, like I've I've been around it. I
Speaker 1: will not say who, but I years ago I was
Speaker 1: around someone who loved being able to get men cheat
Speaker 1: on their wives with her what And I was like
Speaker 1: observing this whole thing, just going what the is this dynamic?
Speaker 1: But for people who are like mortally wounded and think
Speaker 1: they're broken, there's no higher compliment than I'm so special.
Speaker 1: This person would blow up their life for me, Oh God.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the dynamic that they're writing for
Speaker 1: Taylor in this episode, and it gives me the like
Speaker 1: it gives me like the chill bumps on my bones,
Speaker 1: not on my skin, you know what I mean. Gross.
Speaker 1: I mean, she does compare herself to that scorpion where
Speaker 1: it stings itself to death. You know. Yes, it's interesting
Speaker 1: that they chose like a metaphor like that that Haley
Speaker 1: very quickly debunks and it's like that's not true, Like
Speaker 1: it doesn't do that, and they couldn't. They couldn't have
Speaker 1: found something that actually harms itself, you know, like a
Speaker 1: Fox that chooses leg Off in a trap um. The
Speaker 1: reason I kind of liked that though, was that it
Speaker 1: was such a tutor girl moment for Haley. It gave
Speaker 1: the It gave the moment of comic relief in a
Speaker 1: scene where Joy is playing so much pain and so
Speaker 1: much fear. God, she was beautiful on that scene her
Speaker 1: And when Lindsay, you know, when Taylor reaches over and
Speaker 1: robs Haley's cheek to wipe her tears away, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: and that's where you see the You see the softness
Speaker 1: in Taylor, you see the girl under the scorpion, and
Speaker 1: you want her to be that girl. Well, it was
Speaker 1: in the same way that sometimes we root for Dan.
Speaker 1: You want her to be that girl. That was the
Speaker 1: scene where when she went to wipe the tears, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she looks just like best in this scene.
Speaker 1: Like you said that, the similarity between Lindsay and the
Speaker 1: actress who plays Joey's mother doing that same physical action
Speaker 1: of like comforting Haley. They look so similar and so
Speaker 1: you can see the the family in that interaction and
Speaker 1: the beautiful, beautiful shot I mean Bethany Rooney. Again, episodes
Speaker 1: directed by women just have something. Bethany Rooney did that
Speaker 1: shot of them both from behind, sitting on the balcony
Speaker 1: ledge in their layered t shirts with their tattoos sticking out,
Speaker 1: and you saw the sameness. You saw how how different
Speaker 1: they are. One's tattoos symbolizes, you know, self sabotage and
Speaker 1: one symbolizes young love. But these two sisters, it's that
Speaker 1: same thing. They're kind of meeting. They come from opposite
Speaker 1: ends of the circle and they meet in the middle,
Speaker 1: and that's the stuff that you go, oh, please let
Speaker 1: it be that, let them find their way. Any Rooney
Speaker 1: is such a good director. I've worked with her on
Speaker 1: a couple of different shows. Um. She's one of those
Speaker 1: people that you just text with every once in a
Speaker 1: while where you're like, I'm so glad you're still in
Speaker 1: my life. UM. And she she was a really safe
Speaker 1: space for us on this show, Like she was a
Speaker 1: good person to be able to turn to. UM. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much darkness in this episode. Do
Speaker 1: you ever think that our visiting directors would get scripts
Speaker 1: and just be like, well, Jesus, like, what how do
Speaker 1: I how do I navigate this? This is a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of trauma here. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think what? I Yeah, it must be intense to
Speaker 1: receive that, especially if you haven't been able to watch
Speaker 1: all the episodes beforehand. They hadn't aired yet, So how
Speaker 1: do you get a scream like this where you're like,
Speaker 1: what's going on at this dinner party? Like? Who? What? When? Where? How? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They must give them at least a couple of scripts
Speaker 1: on paper before but if yeah, I'd want to be
Speaker 1: able to see the episode to really know what the
Speaker 1: dynamics are. I mean that dinner party. You and I
Speaker 1: were both like, gross, make this end right now. It
Speaker 1: was so uncomfortable, and and Keith sitting there thinking Dan
Speaker 1: is poking at him over jewels and deb and Jewels
Speaker 1: sitting there knowing Dan is poking her over her and
Speaker 1: Keith and everyone's in a misdirect and poor Barbara is
Speaker 1: just sitting there trying to make it right. And by
Speaker 1: the way, honorable mentioned for that tube top and matching scarf,
Speaker 1: you guys, I I kid you not. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to wear that outfit now. I'm gonna order
Speaker 1: a tubetop and a scarf now. And I'm excited about
Speaker 1: I'm doing the next podcast in the scarf. You won't
Speaker 1: even see the tube top. I'll just crop like you
Speaker 1: look naked. Yeah, Hillary is in her scarf again, Um, yes,
Speaker 1: and and so and I guess I was curious and like,
Speaker 1: why is Deb involved in this? Because I know that
Speaker 1: they were kind of working together to break up Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley, but this seems like out of that pact,
Speaker 1: Like are they like on the Apple again? It seems
Speaker 1: like they're working on getting back together, especially when you
Speaker 1: open on the I, you know, especially when you open
Speaker 1: on the moment where Dan says, let's invite them over
Speaker 1: and he's researching recipes and Deb is like looking at
Speaker 1: him like, oh my god, he's gonna cook dinner. And
Speaker 1: then she says this isn't just a way for you
Speaker 1: to pile on Keith, is it? And and Dan, god,
Speaker 1: what a line. He says, well, you and Karen both
Speaker 1: slept with me and your friend. My god, I wrote
Speaker 1: that down too, And so Deb is kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I should give it a shot. And then
Speaker 1: dinner starts and Dan is awful, that's it. It's like
Speaker 1: you gotta have like you just gotta call it, Like
Speaker 1: Deb ten minutes in should have been like, you know
Speaker 1: what we're gonna I'm gonna go light something on fire
Speaker 1: in the kitchen so that we can end. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: would have loved it if she was like, Dan, you
Speaker 1: said you weren't going to do this, and you're doing it.
Speaker 1: You're going home, Like she needs to just be a
Speaker 1: mom and be like everybody outright. He's grounded. The cops
Speaker 1: are showing up. You all gotta go home. Um, who
Speaker 1: did Luke say there's a line you don't cross? I
Speaker 1: wrote that down. Did he say that to Keith? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: about debt? About debt? And you and I both were like,
Speaker 1: tell me more, tell me more, Lucas, remember you guys.
Speaker 1: Hillary literally shouted Lucas is telling Keith about lines you
Speaker 1: don't cross, you know. And he's like he's like dad
Speaker 1: Stan's wife. And Hillary and I are sitting here going yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're and Peyton and Brook are best friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like sister wives friend. Um, Lucas has Keith on
Speaker 1: a pedestal, and good, he needs that person to have
Speaker 1: on a pedestal. But I think by also witnessing the
Speaker 1: person you look up to fail a little bit, yes,
Speaker 1: it validates your own failure. Like It's almost like Lucas
Speaker 1: needed to see that his hero did the same dome
Speaker 1: ship he did, so that he's like, oh, well, Keith's
Speaker 1: not a bad guy, so maybe I'm not a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Like maybe we all just do this. I think it's
Speaker 1: so important and something that I love. In this episode,
Speaker 1: Craig Shefferd does this so beautifully as Keith, he holds
Speaker 1: space for Lucas is upset as a teenager. When he
Speaker 1: tells Lucas what happened with Deb, he admits to him,
Speaker 1: it's such a strong choice to say, I'm not proud
Speaker 1: of what happened with Deb and that's the only reason
Speaker 1: I kept it a secret from you. You understand that, right.
Speaker 1: He admits to a boy that he is ashamed of
Speaker 1: his actions, and he lets Lucas go away and sit
Speaker 1: with it, which is important, Like I don't like to
Speaker 1: make people change their mind right away, you know, Like
Speaker 1: sitting with information is so healthy because then you you
Speaker 1: get to work out the entire journey in your own head.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. You got you got to give people
Speaker 1: space sometimes to process and to figure out what it
Speaker 1: is they're triggered by in the story you're telling. And
Speaker 1: that's why. I loved that Lucas came full circle with Keith,
Speaker 1: came back to him and said, I've done some things
Speaker 1: I'm not proud of. He admitted his own shame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he apologized for the way he reacted because he realized
Speaker 1: they're both just people who make mistakes. But like, honestly,
Speaker 1: poor Lucas, like no one tells him anything, like if
Speaker 1: and he just walks into his house like surprise, surprise,
Speaker 1: Keith is all of a sudden engaged, you know, like
Speaker 1: everyone is just like dropping information on this boy. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if our writers consciously did that or
Speaker 1: or it was just like a habit that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll get a better reaction if we totally ambush this child. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: I think they love the surprise scenes because it allows
Speaker 1: for shock value for the audience. Yeah, but I would
Speaker 1: have loved if Keith had aid Lucas go out and
Speaker 1: like go ring shopping with him, you know, like that
Speaker 1: reveal of we got we're getting engaged, we got married,
Speaker 1: we've already done it with Nathan and Haley, you know.
Speaker 1: Joyce said that, So, Um, I would have loved that
Speaker 1: slow burn of I'm going to make you as involved
Speaker 1: as possible with this elaborate lie. Um, yeah, that would
Speaker 1: have been juicy. Um. I do appreciate the Taylor redemption.
Speaker 1: You know, Dan is never redeemed Dan. It just whereas
Speaker 1: he's going to the basketball court at the end of
Speaker 1: the episode to make things worse right and to involve Lucas,
Speaker 1: Taylor does the exact opposite and gets on that computer
Speaker 1: and it's like, Chris Keller, you better scram leave me alone.
Speaker 1: I don't want you. You see her making a choice
Speaker 1: to stand up for her sister, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: it's because as uncomfortable as it was for them, Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley model that the only way out is through.
Speaker 1: You got to tell the truth, even if it's and
Speaker 1: Taylor's like, well, maybe I could do that. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was probably easy. But then Haley doesn't tell the truth
Speaker 1: to Nathan. She sure doesn't. She just she she just
Speaker 1: keeps walking on that river court trying to kiss him.
Speaker 1: She keeps it a secret, Anna, and she says to
Speaker 1: him what happened in the past doesn't matter. Oh, like, baby,
Speaker 1: your your past was a week ago. I actually thought
Speaker 1: that was a brilliant line that they wrote for Taylor.
Speaker 1: You're you know, remember she said, you bitching about your
Speaker 1: husband's past when you have a present, when you have
Speaker 1: a present, st Haley is just as bad as the
Speaker 1: rest of us. Shots fired, well, but Haley and gets
Speaker 1: some very big She uses big language, like like impactful language,
Speaker 1: and she says, this is all really confusing. And so
Speaker 1: if if you have someone you're close to that like
Speaker 1: always has the right answer and always makes the right
Speaker 1: decision for them to admit I'm confused. That's a big confession.
Speaker 1: And then she goes on to say, I'm jealous of
Speaker 1: what Chris has. Like confusion and jealousy are two very
Speaker 1: embarrassing things to admit. Yes, And I love that she clarifies,
Speaker 1: I am jealous of his music. I am jealous of
Speaker 1: his freedom to pursue it. Because Hailey feels like she
Speaker 1: has to choose between the husband that she loves and
Speaker 1: the career that she wants. Because the doorway to the
Speaker 1: career that she wants is a man who kissed her. Yeo, girls,
Speaker 1: come on now, Yeah, yeah, that's it. And and it's
Speaker 1: hard to see that there are other wars, there are
Speaker 1: doors that don't involve man. Uh. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: that's that's really difficult as a young person is that
Speaker 1: you do think like, if I don't take advantage of
Speaker 1: this opportunity, there's no promise that there will be another one.
Speaker 1: And honestly, like, as an adult, I'm here to say, yes,
Speaker 1: there will be, you know, like, if something feels bad,
Speaker 1: find a different door. Yes, And and I will say
Speaker 1: I think it is important to admit we know how
Speaker 1: scary it is to take the leap, because sure there
Speaker 1: might not be another door. That's reality. But more often
Speaker 1: than not, we have learned from some things we've shared
Speaker 1: with all of you, and from some things we only
Speaker 1: share with ourselves, that that if you deny walking through
Speaker 1: a door that is dangerous or makes you feel bad,
Speaker 1: even if it takes a while, another door will for
Speaker 1: you because that thing is meant for you. Yeah. The patience,
Speaker 1: the aptitude to be patient is part of claiming what
Speaker 1: you want. Well, and if I guess you know, just
Speaker 1: to be personal about it, when you let that bad
Speaker 1: open door, let's just keep we're gonna play with that
Speaker 1: metaphor Okay, when you let that um exist, when you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess this is the way I'm going to achieve
Speaker 1: the thing that I love the thing that I'm passionate about.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It can destroy the thing you love in
Speaker 1: a way you can destroy you. Well. I mean I
Speaker 1: never wanted to act again. When I left the show,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, and I'm done, you know, like,
Speaker 1: see you later. I'm never going to do this again. Um.
Speaker 1: And so you know, for Haley and her music, I
Speaker 1: don't want Chris Keller to destroy that, you know. I
Speaker 1: don't want this this one opportunity to be the thing
Speaker 1: that crushes her. Um, because we we know because we
Speaker 1: shot it, that she's going to have so many other
Speaker 1: awesome opportunities if she would just like, lean into trick,
Speaker 1: go help Peyton Man. Hello. Yeah, but I I love
Speaker 1: that that you say that, because I think it is
Speaker 1: so important when we talk about trusting yourself enough to
Speaker 1: close let's call it a haunted door, perhaps to say
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to go live in a haunted house. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I had the same experience when I left Chicago. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm out like you and I are the
Speaker 1: truly when I tell you and I will never forget.
Speaker 1: Sweet Justin Baldoni from Jane the Virgin said to me
Speaker 1: when I told him I quit my job. He was like,
Speaker 1: I've never met an actor who's quit a job ever.
Speaker 1: Actors don't do that. It's so hard to get a job.
Speaker 1: And I was hard to get a job. It's so
Speaker 1: hard to get a job. And I said, well, I
Speaker 1: quit a job, and one of my best friends quit
Speaker 1: a job. You and I are the only two actors
Speaker 1: I know who have ever quit their jobs. And it
Speaker 1: is such an act of self defense to say I
Speaker 1: will no longer tolerate this thing that is literally eating
Speaker 1: me from the inside, Like it's like having a flesh
Speaker 1: eating bacteria on your soul. And when I quit, I
Speaker 1: had the same experience. I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm ever going to do it again. There are
Speaker 1: so many other things that I love and care about.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ever going to do that again.
Speaker 1: Could rather be at the sports Authority. I'd rather go
Speaker 1: work for Carl. I'll wear the outfit, I don't give
Speaker 1: I'll say the jingle like because the well was poisoned
Speaker 1: to and it took me a while to realize that
Speaker 1: there were other water towers, there were other there were
Speaker 1: other doors that that had not a shred of creepy haunting.
Speaker 1: Well Brooks gonna find that. Find It's going to find it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Her her two week tenure at the crab Shack is
Speaker 1: now going to turn into UM student council running for office,
Speaker 1: which is exciting because we got a little I love
Speaker 1: seeing that fire because Erico Marsh's man, I know she's coming.
Speaker 1: I also love that Brick was like, I'm running. I'm
Speaker 1: going to take up all the lines across the page.
Speaker 1: And they told me to do that. They were like,
Speaker 1: they were like, maybe write your name bigger than everybody else.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, watch what you wish for
Speaker 1: because I'm just going to go from margin to margin.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. We also, I have a question
Speaker 1: because obviously we know and we haven't brought this up.
Speaker 1: I want to know what it is if you know,
Speaker 1: if you remember, I'm sure you do. Peyton and Jake
Speaker 1: go on the road trip to Savannah to get Jenny.
Speaker 1: Where the hell were you Were you doing a movie
Speaker 1: or something? No, I wasn't doing a movie. I think
Speaker 1: it was being punished for something or who knows. Um.
Speaker 1: I was probably off moon and over Greenberg just like
Speaker 1: hey man to hang out. I honestly, I have no idea, um,
Speaker 1: and that was always kind of like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We were always kind of like jockeying for our storylines. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so I'd gotten the thing I wanted, I got
Speaker 1: Greenberg back, but then it wasn't in the episode. So
Speaker 1: what were we doing at this point? You guys? Were
Speaker 1: you had to be doing something like let it be clear, guys,
Speaker 1: the people we worked for, we're not giving us days
Speaker 1: off to be nice. There had to be a reason.
Speaker 1: Are you doing like Secret Life of Bees or something
Speaker 1: like what were you doing? No, if any, if anything,
Speaker 1: I would get sent to do like the sun Kissed
Speaker 1: parties and stuff like that, but I don't think we
Speaker 1: were doing that necessarily in season two and that started
Speaker 1: like season three, right, or did you have a big
Speaker 1: like MTV obligation? Was that a spring break? I think
Speaker 1: were on it. Like that's where I knew. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, you were working when did this one air?
Speaker 1: This would have aired at the beginning of February. So
Speaker 1: I was either doing Cancoon or New Orleans or like
Speaker 1: I would go on these weird trips because or I
Speaker 1: was doing like Club Nights in Miami. Still because in
Speaker 1: season two I was still doing five days on Tree
Speaker 1: Hill two days in New York for MTV. Uh, And
Speaker 1: it wasn't till the end of season two that I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna die if I keep doing this.
Speaker 1: It's not sustainable. And MTV let me out of my
Speaker 1: contract so that I could just do one Tree Hill. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's why I like, my hair is falling out,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like disaster all of season two. That's
Speaker 1: I'd hit my limit. So I was, yeah, probably doing
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm okay with it though. I like
Speaker 1: that Anna thought she was being ghosted, you know, and
Speaker 1: Lucas had to explain it and like, baby, no, had
Speaker 1: that Jake not shown up? And something that's really nice
Speaker 1: is you being away with Jake. It gives Anna the
Speaker 1: opportunity to feel like she's being ignored, and it kind
Speaker 1: of forces Brooke to rely on herself and to let
Speaker 1: Felix help her, because if Peyton had been home, Brooke
Speaker 1: would have just gone to Peyton. Yeah. I would have
Speaker 1: made signs, you know. I was gonna say signs were
Speaker 1: so ugly. I didn't have you to draw them. They
Speaker 1: were so bad. I really like the actress that you
Speaker 1: worked with Abby, who had the cute. She was married.
Speaker 1: She is married to one of the guys who is
Speaker 1: in the local improv comedy scene with Cullen, and so
Speaker 1: her husband, Garrett was like really good friends with Cullen.
Speaker 1: Um there was a pack of dudes that all did
Speaker 1: improv at level five. Yeah, And so it was really
Speaker 1: cool because I had made friends with her outside of
Speaker 1: our show, and then she got cast on the show
Speaker 1: and it was so cool. That was the fun part
Speaker 1: about shooting in a small town is that our guest
Speaker 1: stars were a lot of times like people that we'd
Speaker 1: made friends with in real life, and so it felt
Speaker 1: like bring your friend to work day. And I love
Speaker 1: that you guys got to work together. She was so
Speaker 1: pretty cool. She was so pretty and cool. And what
Speaker 1: I loved also again to to sort of mirror that line.
Speaker 1: People do crazy things when they're desperate. You see what's
Speaker 1: going on with Jewels, but you also see what's going
Speaker 1: on with all these other young women in this small town.
Speaker 1: You know, Abby's playing a character who's a single mom
Speaker 1: and has a two year old. This group of girls
Speaker 1: who've all been hired because they're young and pretty and
Speaker 1: probably pretty easy to take advantage, get to show their
Speaker 1: vulnerability and their fear about losing this shy job because
Speaker 1: it might be the only one available to them, and
Speaker 1: so it's so fun to see them get a win. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's why I love these like young kids coming
Speaker 1: up now, because they're like, I'm not gonna work at
Speaker 1: a poverty wage. What are you talking about? No way,
Speaker 1: you have to pay us your kids. You just get
Speaker 1: those signs out. You gotta us old ladies to back
Speaker 1: your play. We'll show up with look up Osha on
Speaker 1: the internet. It's true. No, it's good. It's empowering. And
Speaker 1: if you don't come from a family that encourages you
Speaker 1: to be a noisemaker, hopefully you can find other people
Speaker 1: in your life that make you feel safe to speak
Speaker 1: up for yourself and advocate for yourself. Um, because that
Speaker 1: is a huge hurdle in anybody's young adulthood. But once
Speaker 1: you do it once, then it's like okay for the
Speaker 1: whole rest of your life. You know, it's it just
Speaker 1: takes a little bit of practice. Yes, I love it,
Speaker 1: and and it just brings me back to the sort
Speaker 1: of I weirdly feel this grown up pride looking at
Speaker 1: young Brooke being like, look at her. She's getting kicked
Speaker 1: out of her nest and she's choosing to do exactly that,
Speaker 1: to advocate and to lead, and even though it's scary,
Speaker 1: she's going to show up for other people and maybe
Speaker 1: learn to show up for herself along the way. Well,
Speaker 1: that's it. She's not being selfish about like I'm going
Speaker 1: to fix this for me. She's like, oh, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: We're going to fix this for everyone. You know what
Speaker 1: it is. It's a cheerleader mentality. And I yes. So
Speaker 1: someone asked me how I got into my television show UM,
Speaker 1: which is a true crime documentary show, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys are solving cases and you guys are doing this,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, No.
Speaker 1: Innocence Project organizations are solving these cases and all these
Speaker 1: like lawyers working pro bono are doing all of this work.
Speaker 1: What I'm doing is cheerleading, and and people talk about
Speaker 1: cheerleaders all the time, But there is a life skill
Speaker 1: that I learned because the focus wasn't on me. The
Speaker 1: focus is on who's on the field, and it's your
Speaker 1: job to make them feel seen and supported and to
Speaker 1: bring as many people in as possible to raise their
Speaker 1: voices and get involved to rally and so, honestly, like
Speaker 1: the extracurricular activities I did as a teenager, cheerleading has
Speaker 1: stupidly become like something that's very important, um, and it's
Speaker 1: a big part of what we do. It's, you know,
Speaker 1: using your megaphone and shining the light on somebody else. Yes,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's exactly the same for me. It's
Speaker 1: the reason everyone laughs about me being a camp counselor.
Speaker 1: It's wrangling everybody, pumping them up for the activity, being
Speaker 1: being the leader who gets them there. It's it's the
Speaker 1: reason that I so early in the trajectory of our
Speaker 1: show started doing public advocacy work because same thing. I
Speaker 1: was like, I have a megaphone and I'm gonna use it.
Speaker 1: Watch this, you know it. I love that you had
Speaker 1: the count counselor megaphone and I had the cheer We're
Speaker 1: a literal matchmate in heaven. Joy had the microphone. Goddamn,
Speaker 1: that couldn't have worked out better. We're real good. Somebody
Speaker 1: needs to draw that you need the like hold up
Speaker 1: cheer megaphone. I need the like old school seventies actual electronics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Joy needs a singer's microphone. Ends artists, please have at it.
Speaker 1: Chop chop, friends, do we have questions? We want to
Speaker 1: spin a wheel, we want to do baby, I want
Speaker 1: to give an honorable mention before we jump into the questions,
Speaker 1: while we do talk about Brooke Davis loving the color
Speaker 1: red and all things nostalgic from the era, That red
Speaker 1: couch at Karen's Cafe, the red couch gets an honorable mention, y'all, Sophia,
Speaker 1: I have thought about that couch so many times, like
Speaker 1: where is that couch? I loved that couch and who
Speaker 1: has it? If anyone knows who has that couch? Can
Speaker 1: you let us know? We could buy it from you.
Speaker 1: It's a sectional baby, like we could each get a piece. Um,
Speaker 1: I would sob God, And I just I remember, like
Speaker 1: what the texture feels like my hand, like like rubbing
Speaker 1: my hand on it. It's such a sense, remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And when we would be in their shooting and there'd
Speaker 1: be a break, we'd all go pile on it, like,
Speaker 1: oh God, I just missed that couch. We could even
Speaker 1: do a thing when we find out where the couches
Speaker 1: and we do like a charity drive to get the
Speaker 1: couch back, honestly, not for us. Not for us. I mean,
Speaker 1: we would raise money for charity to get the couch back.
Speaker 1: I'll pay anyone for the couch, um please, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that couch. There were certain pieces on set that
Speaker 1: just like I loved um. Okay, so Anna asks us.
Speaker 1: She says, when peyton Helium brook are having a bad
Speaker 1: day or going through a breakup, there's a common cure
Speaker 1: root beer, floats or ice cream. Do all of you
Speaker 1: like root beer floats in real life? Or what is
Speaker 1: your go to comfort food? I hate root beer more
Speaker 1: than anything. I mean, I don't hate root beer, but
Speaker 1: like I hate it. I don't like ice cream, Like
Speaker 1: it's just didn't we just talk about this? I do?
Speaker 1: I know you do? I don't know. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know that I'll be a killing die hard fan until
Speaker 1: that's no longer on this planet. But I gotta say
Speaker 1: dairy is also terrible for me. I have asthma. Like
Speaker 1: I can't be eating ice cream. It makes me sick.
Speaker 1: I'm they know, but I love it. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I if I was gonna pick my most favorite
Speaker 1: comfort food in the world, it would be fun Vietnamese.
Speaker 1: I could eat a bowl of every single day for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I probably order it two
Speaker 1: or three times a week from a place down the street.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, I love it. I
Speaker 1: love it. Listen, when I came to Toronto to visit you,
Speaker 1: I ordered door Dash at like two o'clock in the
Speaker 1: morning and got good food and a bottle of wine.
Speaker 1: What did you get? Don't you know? It's like trouffle
Speaker 1: fries and you know, like all sorts of But I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, this is like options. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was so fun. I wish i'd known about what
Speaker 1: do you keep on the farm? Oh my god, I know, Well,
Speaker 1: when you come back, we'll just get it when you're
Speaker 1: on the farm, because you are not near anywhere where
Speaker 1: you can get take out at a random hour. What
Speaker 1: do you keep, like, what do you always have stocked
Speaker 1: in the pantry or in the freezer that you can
Speaker 1: cook up quickly for yourself when you're hungry and you
Speaker 1: can't pick up dinner whiskey? Thank you to our friends
Speaker 1: at Jane Walker Guys. Um, No, I have to be
Speaker 1: a responsible adult here. I I'm a carbi person, like
Speaker 1: I am a breadbread bread, bread, bread, bread, bread girl.
Speaker 1: So like bread bread and like the carry gold super
Speaker 1: salty butter. Uh. Yeah. I remember when I was like
Speaker 1: taking German in high school as like a freshman. I
Speaker 1: just needed to learn how to say eliba growth, Like
Speaker 1: I just I love bread. Where is the bread? Um? Oh,
Speaker 1: I love that's what it is. Yeah, I love bread.
Speaker 1: That's that's what stuck after all those years. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it, just sitting around bread on one tree hill.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine my mom. I will never forget. I've
Speaker 1: gotten so much trouble once as a kid. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: did you ever live anywhere with the Vons the grocery
Speaker 1: store bombs? But I know what in California? So well yeah,
Speaker 1: so by the Vans check out, there's always like the
Speaker 1: big French loafs that they would bake for the day
Speaker 1: and they're like a dollar ninety nine. I would beg
Speaker 1: my mom to get me a French loaf every day,
Speaker 1: and she was like, what is why is this kid
Speaker 1: so obsessed with bread? What's going on? And one day
Speaker 1: she finally figures out what I've been doing. I've been
Speaker 1: cutting the loaf in half but then digging out the
Speaker 1: soft bread on the inside. And leaving the crust pouch,
Speaker 1: and then I'd put it back together and just leave
Speaker 1: it on the counter. It's like, have you hollowed out
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread every day you second about, and
Speaker 1: I'd get it out and I'd rolled the little dough
Speaker 1: into balls and them. Sofia were the perfect man. Weird kids.
Speaker 1: I'm a crust girl, so I'll always give you the
Speaker 1: insides and I'll take the outsides. Done right, Well, now
Speaker 1: we know. I can't wait to run. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to run a cheerleading summer camp and just have bread
Speaker 1: for every meal. I can't wait to tell joy done done,
Speaker 1: done done, alright, can't wait to invite you all our
Speaker 1: cheerleading summer. Oh my god, it's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the outfits. Al right. Back on track,
Speaker 1: Rebecca asks, Oh, this is a good question for us.
Speaker 1: If the show was to reboot today, what music would
Speaker 1: Peyton be collecting and listening to? We literally just talked
Speaker 1: about this. I know what music would be playing in
Speaker 1: the background scenes at trick. Literally we just talked about
Speaker 1: this like minutes ago. Um. I have this new band
Speaker 1: that I'm obsessed with called Pom Pom Squad Uh. Their
Speaker 1: album Death of a Cheerleader Like just came out and
Speaker 1: its It's in my bray. I started posting about it
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Um, and the sweet lead singer Like wrote
Speaker 1: me back and I was like, baby, I am trying
Speaker 1: to come see your show this year. I have not
Speaker 1: been to a concert in so many years. Calm down
Speaker 1: to the city. She's playing at the Bowery bed Room. Okay, done.
Speaker 1: We definitely have to some strings. We're going well. You
Speaker 1: know people, I think another person. I think about this
Speaker 1: so much just because of what the music did for
Speaker 1: our show, and I think about who affects me so deeply.
Speaker 1: I just know that to Blow would be on heavy
Speaker 1: rotation on our show and we would definitely get her
Speaker 1: to come play a trick because I know her. So
Speaker 1: let's just get all our friends. I just want all
Speaker 1: the hot girls to come play on our show and
Speaker 1: make us Girl energy is what we're about. I think
Speaker 1: it's time to spend a whale, sister, Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Who is most
Speaker 1: likely to win a pie eating contest? I mean, is
Speaker 1: it me? It might be me? No, you know you
Speaker 1: know who commits and who is a good sport is
Speaker 1: Barbara Allen Woods. She like Barbara. You could throw anything
Speaker 1: up Barbara, and she'd be like, you're right, I'm a
Speaker 1: Midwest girl. Like give it to me. Barbara would win
Speaker 1: and like look good doing it. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: I would just be so happy to be eating pie.
Speaker 1: Barbara would like, make it hot. Let's give it to Barbara.
Speaker 1: I love snacks, but she's she's just so sexy hot pie. Okay,
Speaker 1: but who on the show? No, you know what it
Speaker 1: makes me think of? I can't even remember who said it.
Speaker 1: Years ago. Somebody was like, Megan Fox is so hot.
Speaker 1: She makes me want to strangle an ox. And that's
Speaker 1: how I feel about Barbara. Barbara, Yeah, I can't. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine if that was Deb's coping mechanism in the
Speaker 1: episode where she's like, oh, you guys are making me crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat this pie. Fine, um, all right, Barbara,
Speaker 1: maybe she will in the next one. Who knows our
Speaker 1: next episode is season two, episode thirteen. The hero dies
Speaker 1: in this one. Alright, well, what does that mean? Hold
Speaker 1: on your hats, friends, It's gonna be a doozy. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys for hanging out. Thank you see you next week.
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