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Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl sharing for the drama Queen's Girl Fashion.

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Speaker 1: But your tough girls, you can sit with us. Girl Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn MC, Queen's Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen's Ladies and Gentlemen, Season two, Episode twelve, Between order

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Speaker 1: and Randomness. Okay, here's the quick. The quick rundown is

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Speaker 1: that Nathan tells Haley about his past gross but Haley

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Speaker 1: good call back. Um. Karen decides to make Lucas's life

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Speaker 1: with Keith and Jewels. Um baby, there was a lot

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Speaker 1: how many people were super waiting for this episode in particular,

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Speaker 1: but I really enjoyed this episode. It's picking up from

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Speaker 1: That was like, I know, but he does it so

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Speaker 1: well that it's just so delicious. He's like good villain.

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Speaker 1: He's such a good villain. And we and you will

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Speaker 1: Um because I have a flight to catch, so I'm

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Speaker 1: We this was the episode where Anna said that thing

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Speaker 1: listen to our last episode. But what did we call it?

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Speaker 1: What did we call it? The myths? What was it?

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Speaker 1: The perfect I said it should be the title, the

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Speaker 1: perfect Myth, Perfect Myth. This idea. I couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: We all do it. Um. I Brooke does her Norma

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Speaker 1: ray in this episode with the Lobsters the Masters. That

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Speaker 1: I got crabs at Carl's good God. And when he's like,

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Speaker 1: not at all. Um. Lucas seems to be always stuck

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Speaker 1: montage of Lucas's face every time someone tells him we're

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Speaker 1: getting married or somebody pat please, that's what we want.

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Speaker 1: And this little fun thing this was the appearance of

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Speaker 1: the phrase Hailey Bob, which the first time we ever

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Speaker 1: was using Haley to do to Lucas. So Lucas is saying, well,

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00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: maybe you can lie a little to protect someone if

427
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: it turns out okay. In the end, Haley almost left

428
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: Nathan when she found out, even though Nathan had really

429
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: fallen in love with her. So you see how this

430
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: boy is trying to make this insane circumstance relative to

431
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: what he knows in any way, it's a really well

432
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: written episode. Well, yes, and you mentioned this the parallels

433
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: between Taylor and Dan are sociopaths. I think that's what's

434
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: so exhausting about this episode is like we can deal

435
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: with one Dan, put two of them come two dances

436
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, they revel in making other people uncomfortable.

437
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: And like we've been around people like, oh yeah, they

438
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: revel in making other people uncomfortable. They both I kept

439
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: getting the vision while we were watching the episode of

440
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: Just Twisting the Knife they're both knife twisters. Have you

441
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: ever been around those people that want to get caught?

442
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: Like it's like their mother didn't reprimand them when they

443
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: were little, and they're like, I want you to yell

444
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: at me. And that's what it feels like. Both Dan

445
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: and Taylor are just like somebody, somebody stopped me. You know,

446
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm a bad baby, Yes, and it you know what

447
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: it feels like as well to me watching Taylor in

448
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: this episode, the way she she continues for what reason

449
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: after the last episode, will never know. She continues to

450
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: throw herself at Nathan to get undressed in front of

451
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: him to tease him sexually. There are people, and I

452
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: think we see them more represented archetypeal ly in stories

453
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: as women because people love to villainize women. There are

454
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: people who really get off on getting married people to

455
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: cheat on their spouses with them. Weird like, and I've

456
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: I've seen it, like I've I've been around it. I

457
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: will not say who, but I years ago I was

458
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: around someone who loved being able to get men cheat

459
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: on their wives with her what And I was like

460
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: observing this whole thing, just going what the is this dynamic?

461
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: But for people who are like mortally wounded and think

462
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: they're broken, there's no higher compliment than I'm so special.

463
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: This person would blow up their life for me, Oh God.

464
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: And I think that's the dynamic that they're writing for

465
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: Taylor in this episode, and it gives me the like

466
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: it gives me like the chill bumps on my bones,

467
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: not on my skin, you know what I mean. Gross.

468
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, she does compare herself to that scorpion where

469
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: it stings itself to death. You know. Yes, it's interesting

470
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: that they chose like a metaphor like that that Haley

471
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: very quickly debunks and it's like that's not true, Like

472
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't do that, and they couldn't. They couldn't have

473
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: found something that actually harms itself, you know, like a

474
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: Fox that chooses leg Off in a trap um. The

475
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: reason I kind of liked that though, was that it

476
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: was such a tutor girl moment for Haley. It gave

477
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: the It gave the moment of comic relief in a

478
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: scene where Joy is playing so much pain and so

479
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: much fear. God, she was beautiful on that scene her

480
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: And when Lindsay, you know, when Taylor reaches over and

481
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: robs Haley's cheek to wipe her tears away, I was like, Oh,

482
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: and that's where you see the You see the softness

483
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: in Taylor, you see the girl under the scorpion, and

484
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: you want her to be that girl. Well, it was

485
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: in the same way that sometimes we root for Dan.

486
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: You want her to be that girl. That was the

487
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: scene where when she went to wipe the tears, like,

488
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, she looks just like best in this scene.

489
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: Like you said that, the similarity between Lindsay and the

490
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: actress who plays Joey's mother doing that same physical action

491
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: of like comforting Haley. They look so similar and so

492
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: you can see the the family in that interaction and

493
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: the beautiful, beautiful shot I mean Bethany Rooney. Again, episodes

494
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: directed by women just have something. Bethany Rooney did that

495
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: shot of them both from behind, sitting on the balcony

496
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: ledge in their layered t shirts with their tattoos sticking out,

497
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: and you saw the sameness. You saw how how different

498
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: they are. One's tattoos symbolizes, you know, self sabotage and

499
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: one symbolizes young love. But these two sisters, it's that

500
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: same thing. They're kind of meeting. They come from opposite

501
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: ends of the circle and they meet in the middle,

502
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: and that's the stuff that you go, oh, please let

503
00:29:50,440 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: it be that, let them find their way. Any Rooney

504
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: is such a good director. I've worked with her on

505
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: a couple of different shows. Um. She's one of those

506
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: people that you just text with every once in a

507
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: while where you're like, I'm so glad you're still in

508
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: my life. UM. And she she was a really safe

509
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: space for us on this show, Like she was a

510
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: good person to be able to turn to. UM. And

511
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much darkness in this episode. Do

512
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: you ever think that our visiting directors would get scripts

513
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 1: and just be like, well, Jesus, like, what how do

514
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: I how do I navigate this? This is a lot

515
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of trauma here. Um, you know,

516
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: I think what? I Yeah, it must be intense to

517
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: receive that, especially if you haven't been able to watch

518
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: all the episodes beforehand. They hadn't aired yet, So how

519
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: do you get a scream like this where you're like,

520
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: what's going on at this dinner party? Like? Who? What? When? Where? How? Yeah?

521
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: They must give them at least a couple of scripts

522
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: on paper before but if yeah, I'd want to be

523
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: able to see the episode to really know what the

524
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: dynamics are. I mean that dinner party. You and I

525
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: were both like, gross, make this end right now. It

526
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: was so uncomfortable, and and Keith sitting there thinking Dan

527
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: is poking at him over jewels and deb and Jewels

528
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: sitting there knowing Dan is poking her over her and

529
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: Keith and everyone's in a misdirect and poor Barbara is

530
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: just sitting there trying to make it right. And by

531
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: the way, honorable mentioned for that tube top and matching scarf,

532
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: you guys, I I kid you not. I was like,

533
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: I want to wear that outfit now. I'm gonna order

534
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: a tubetop and a scarf now. And I'm excited about

535
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing the next podcast in the scarf. You won't

536
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: even see the tube top. I'll just crop like you

537
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: look naked. Yeah, Hillary is in her scarf again, Um, yes,

538
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: and and so and I guess I was curious and like,

539
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: why is Deb involved in this? Because I know that

540
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: they were kind of working together to break up Nathan

541
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: and Haley, but this seems like out of that pact,

542
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Like are they like on the Apple again? It seems

543
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: like they're working on getting back together, especially when you

544
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: open on the I, you know, especially when you open

545
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: on the moment where Dan says, let's invite them over

546
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: and he's researching recipes and Deb is like looking at

547
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: him like, oh my god, he's gonna cook dinner. And

548
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: then she says this isn't just a way for you

549
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: to pile on Keith, is it? And and Dan, god,

550
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: what a line. He says, well, you and Karen both

551
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: slept with me and your friend. My god, I wrote

552
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: that down too, And so Deb is kind of like, well,

553
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: I guess I should give it a shot. And then

554
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: dinner starts and Dan is awful, that's it. It's like

555
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: you gotta have like you just gotta call it, Like

556
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: Deb ten minutes in should have been like, you know

557
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: what we're gonna I'm gonna go light something on fire

558
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: in the kitchen so that we can end. Yeah. I

559
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: would have loved it if she was like, Dan, you

560
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: said you weren't going to do this, and you're doing it.

561
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: You're going home, Like she needs to just be a

562
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: mom and be like everybody outright. He's grounded. The cops

563
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: are showing up. You all gotta go home. Um, who

564
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: did Luke say there's a line you don't cross? I

565
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: wrote that down. Did he say that to Keith? Oh? Yes,

566
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: about debt? About debt? And you and I both were like,

567
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: tell me more, tell me more, Lucas, remember you guys.

568
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Hillary literally shouted Lucas is telling Keith about lines you

569
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: don't cross, you know. And he's like he's like dad

570
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: Stan's wife. And Hillary and I are sitting here going yeah,

571
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: and we're and Peyton and Brook are best friends. Yeah,

572
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: we're like sister wives friend. Um, Lucas has Keith on

573
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: a pedestal, and good, he needs that person to have

574
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: on a pedestal. But I think by also witnessing the

575
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: person you look up to fail a little bit, yes,

576
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: it validates your own failure. Like It's almost like Lucas

577
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: needed to see that his hero did the same dome

578
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: ship he did, so that he's like, oh, well, Keith's

579
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: not a bad guy, so maybe I'm not a bad guy.

580
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: Like maybe we all just do this. I think it's

581
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: so important and something that I love. In this episode,

582
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: Craig Shefferd does this so beautifully as Keith, he holds

583
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: space for Lucas is upset as a teenager. When he

584
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: tells Lucas what happened with Deb, he admits to him,

585
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: it's such a strong choice to say, I'm not proud

586
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: of what happened with Deb and that's the only reason

587
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: I kept it a secret from you. You understand that, right.

588
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: He admits to a boy that he is ashamed of

589
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: his actions, and he lets Lucas go away and sit

590
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: with it, which is important, Like I don't like to

591
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: make people change their mind right away, you know, Like

592
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: sitting with information is so healthy because then you you

593
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: get to work out the entire journey in your own head.

594
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: It makes sense. You got you got to give people

595
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: space sometimes to process and to figure out what it

596
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: is they're triggered by in the story you're telling. And

597
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: that's why. I loved that Lucas came full circle with Keith,

598
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: came back to him and said, I've done some things

599
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm not proud of. He admitted his own shame. Yeah,

600
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: he apologized for the way he reacted because he realized

601
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: they're both just people who make mistakes. But like, honestly,

602
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: poor Lucas, like no one tells him anything, like if

603
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: and he just walks into his house like surprise, surprise,

604
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: Keith is all of a sudden engaged, you know, like

605
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: everyone is just like dropping information on this boy. And

606
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if our writers consciously did that or

607
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: or it was just like a habit that was like, oh,

608
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: we'll get a better reaction if we totally ambush this child. Um. Well,

609
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: I think they love the surprise scenes because it allows

610
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: for shock value for the audience. Yeah, but I would

611
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: have loved if Keith had aid Lucas go out and

612
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: like go ring shopping with him, you know, like that

613
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: reveal of we got we're getting engaged, we got married,

614
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: we've already done it with Nathan and Haley, you know.

615
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Joyce said that, So, Um, I would have loved that

616
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: slow burn of I'm going to make you as involved

617
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: as possible with this elaborate lie. Um, yeah, that would

618
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: have been juicy. Um. I do appreciate the Taylor redemption.

619
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: You know, Dan is never redeemed Dan. It just whereas

620
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: he's going to the basketball court at the end of

621
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: the episode to make things worse right and to involve Lucas,

622
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Taylor does the exact opposite and gets on that computer

623
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, Chris Keller, you better scram leave me alone.

624
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't want you. You see her making a choice

625
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: to stand up for her sister, and I wonder if

626
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: it's because as uncomfortable as it was for them, Nathan

627
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: and Haley model that the only way out is through.

628
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: You got to tell the truth, even if it's and

629
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: Taylor's like, well, maybe I could do that. Yeah, it

630
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: was probably easy. But then Haley doesn't tell the truth

631
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: to Nathan. She sure doesn't. She just she she just

632
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: keeps walking on that river court trying to kiss him.

633
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: She keeps it a secret, Anna, and she says to

634
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: him what happened in the past doesn't matter. Oh, like, baby,

635
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: your your past was a week ago. I actually thought

636
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: that was a brilliant line that they wrote for Taylor.

637
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: You're you know, remember she said, you bitching about your

638
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: husband's past when you have a present, when you have

639
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: a present, st Haley is just as bad as the

640
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: rest of us. Shots fired, well, but Haley and gets

641
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: some very big She uses big language, like like impactful language,

642
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: and she says, this is all really confusing. And so

643
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: if if you have someone you're close to that like

644
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: always has the right answer and always makes the right

645
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: decision for them to admit I'm confused. That's a big confession.

646
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: And then she goes on to say, I'm jealous of

647
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: what Chris has. Like confusion and jealousy are two very

648
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: embarrassing things to admit. Yes, And I love that she clarifies,

649
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: I am jealous of his music. I am jealous of

650
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: his freedom to pursue it. Because Hailey feels like she

651
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: has to choose between the husband that she loves and

652
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: the career that she wants. Because the doorway to the

653
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: career that she wants is a man who kissed her. Yeo, girls,

654
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: come on now, Yeah, yeah, that's it. And and it's

655
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: hard to see that there are other wars, there are

656
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: doors that don't involve man. Uh. And that's the thing

657
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: that's that's really difficult as a young person is that

658
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: you do think like, if I don't take advantage of

659
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: this opportunity, there's no promise that there will be another one.

660
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: And honestly, like, as an adult, I'm here to say, yes,

661
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: there will be, you know, like, if something feels bad,

662
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: find a different door. Yes, And and I will say

663
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: I think it is important to admit we know how

664
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: scary it is to take the leap, because sure there

665
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: might not be another door. That's reality. But more often

666
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: than not, we have learned from some things we've shared

667
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: with all of you, and from some things we only

668
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: share with ourselves, that that if you deny walking through

669
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: a door that is dangerous or makes you feel bad,

670
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: even if it takes a while, another door will for

671
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: you because that thing is meant for you. Yeah. The patience,

672
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: the aptitude to be patient is part of claiming what

673
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: you want. Well, and if I guess you know, just

674
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: to be personal about it, when you let that bad

675
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: open door, let's just keep we're gonna play with that

676
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: metaphor Okay, when you let that um exist, when you're like, Okay,

677
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: I guess this is the way I'm going to achieve

678
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: the thing that I love the thing that I'm passionate about.

679
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It can destroy the thing you love in

680
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: a way you can destroy you. Well. I mean I

681
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: never wanted to act again. When I left the show,

682
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, and I'm done, you know, like,

683
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: see you later. I'm never going to do this again. Um.

684
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: And so you know, for Haley and her music, I

685
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: don't want Chris Keller to destroy that, you know. I

686
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: don't want this this one opportunity to be the thing

687
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: that crushes her. Um, because we we know because we

688
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: shot it, that she's going to have so many other

689
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: awesome opportunities if she would just like, lean into trick,

690
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: go help Peyton Man. Hello. Yeah, but I I love

691
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: that that you say that, because I think it is

692
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: so important when we talk about trusting yourself enough to

693
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: close let's call it a haunted door, perhaps to say

694
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm not willing to go live in a haunted house. Yeah, dude,

695
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: I had the same experience when I left Chicago. I

696
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: was like, I'm out like you and I are the

697
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: truly when I tell you and I will never forget.

698
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: Sweet Justin Baldoni from Jane the Virgin said to me

699
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: when I told him I quit my job. He was like,

700
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: I've never met an actor who's quit a job ever.

701
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: Actors don't do that. It's so hard to get a job.

702
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: And I was hard to get a job. It's so

703
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: hard to get a job. And I said, well, I

704
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: quit a job, and one of my best friends quit

705
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: a job. You and I are the only two actors

706
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I know who have ever quit their jobs. And it

707
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: is such an act of self defense to say I

708
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: will no longer tolerate this thing that is literally eating

709
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: me from the inside, Like it's like having a flesh

710
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: eating bacteria on your soul. And when I quit, I

711
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: had the same experience. I was like, I don't know

712
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: if I'm ever going to do it again. There are

713
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: so many other things that I love and care about.

714
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ever going to do that again.

715
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: Could rather be at the sports Authority. I'd rather go

716
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: work for Carl. I'll wear the outfit, I don't give

717
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: I'll say the jingle like because the well was poisoned

718
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: to and it took me a while to realize that

719
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: there were other water towers, there were other there were

720
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: other doors that that had not a shred of creepy haunting.

721
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Well Brooks gonna find that. Find It's going to find it. Yeah.

722
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: Her her two week tenure at the crab Shack is

723
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: now going to turn into UM student council running for office,

724
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: which is exciting because we got a little I love

725
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: seeing that fire because Erico Marsh's man, I know she's coming.

726
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: I also love that Brick was like, I'm running. I'm

727
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: going to take up all the lines across the page.

728
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: And they told me to do that. They were like,

729
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: they were like, maybe write your name bigger than everybody else.

730
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, watch what you wish for

731
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: because I'm just going to go from margin to margin.

732
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: It was so fun. We also, I have a question

733
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: because obviously we know and we haven't brought this up.

734
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: I want to know what it is if you know,

735
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: if you remember, I'm sure you do. Peyton and Jake

736
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: go on the road trip to Savannah to get Jenny.

737
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: Where the hell were you Were you doing a movie

738
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: or something? No, I wasn't doing a movie. I think

739
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: it was being punished for something or who knows. Um.

740
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: I was probably off moon and over Greenberg just like

741
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: hey man to hang out. I honestly, I have no idea, um,

742
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: and that was always kind of like, I don't know.

743
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: We were always kind of like jockeying for our storylines. Uh.

744
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: And so I'd gotten the thing I wanted, I got

745
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Greenberg back, but then it wasn't in the episode. So

746
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: what were we doing at this point? You guys? Were

747
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: you had to be doing something like let it be clear, guys,

748
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: the people we worked for, we're not giving us days

749
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: off to be nice. There had to be a reason.

750
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: Are you doing like Secret Life of Bees or something

751
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: like what were you doing? No, if any, if anything,

752
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: I would get sent to do like the sun Kissed

753
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: parties and stuff like that, but I don't think we

754
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: were doing that necessarily in season two and that started

755
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: like season three, right, or did you have a big

756
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: like MTV obligation? Was that a spring break? I think

757
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: were on it. Like that's where I knew. I was like,

758
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, you were working when did this one air?

759
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: This would have aired at the beginning of February. So

760
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: I was either doing Cancoon or New Orleans or like

761
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: I would go on these weird trips because or I

762
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: was doing like Club Nights in Miami. Still because in

763
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: season two I was still doing five days on Tree

764
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Hill two days in New York for MTV. Uh, And

765
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't till the end of season two that I

766
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna die if I keep doing this.

767
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: It's not sustainable. And MTV let me out of my

768
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: contract so that I could just do one Tree Hill. Um.

769
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's why I like, my hair is falling out,

770
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: and I'm just like disaster all of season two. That's

771
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: I'd hit my limit. So I was, yeah, probably doing

772
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm okay with it though. I like

773
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: that Anna thought she was being ghosted, you know, and

774
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: Lucas had to explain it and like, baby, no, had

775
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: that Jake not shown up? And something that's really nice

776
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: is you being away with Jake. It gives Anna the

777
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to feel like she's being ignored, and it kind

778
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: of forces Brooke to rely on herself and to let

779
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: Felix help her, because if Peyton had been home, Brooke

780
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: would have just gone to Peyton. Yeah. I would have

781
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: made signs, you know. I was gonna say signs were

782
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: so ugly. I didn't have you to draw them. They

783
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: were so bad. I really like the actress that you

784
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: worked with Abby, who had the cute. She was married.

785
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: She is married to one of the guys who is

786
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: in the local improv comedy scene with Cullen, and so

787
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: her husband, Garrett was like really good friends with Cullen.

788
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: Um there was a pack of dudes that all did

789
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: improv at level five. Yeah, And so it was really

790
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: cool because I had made friends with her outside of

791
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: our show, and then she got cast on the show

792
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: and it was so cool. That was the fun part

793
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: about shooting in a small town is that our guest

794
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: stars were a lot of times like people that we'd

795
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: made friends with in real life, and so it felt

796
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: like bring your friend to work day. And I love

797
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: that you guys got to work together. She was so

798
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: pretty cool. She was so pretty and cool. And what

799
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: I loved also again to to sort of mirror that line.

800
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: People do crazy things when they're desperate. You see what's

801
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: going on with Jewels, but you also see what's going

802
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: on with all these other young women in this small town.

803
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, Abby's playing a character who's a single mom

804
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: and has a two year old. This group of girls

805
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: who've all been hired because they're young and pretty and

806
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: probably pretty easy to take advantage, get to show their

807
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: vulnerability and their fear about losing this shy job because

808
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: it might be the only one available to them, and

809
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: so it's so fun to see them get a win. Yeah.

810
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: Well that's why I love these like young kids coming

811
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: up now, because they're like, I'm not gonna work at

812
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: a poverty wage. What are you talking about? No way,

813
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: you have to pay us your kids. You just get

814
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: those signs out. You gotta us old ladies to back

815
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: your play. We'll show up with look up Osha on

816
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: the internet. It's true. No, it's good. It's empowering. And

817
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: if you don't come from a family that encourages you

818
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: to be a noisemaker, hopefully you can find other people

819
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: in your life that make you feel safe to speak

820
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: up for yourself and advocate for yourself. Um, because that

821
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: is a huge hurdle in anybody's young adulthood. But once

822
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: you do it once, then it's like okay for the

823
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: whole rest of your life. You know, it's it just

824
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: takes a little bit of practice. Yes, I love it,

825
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: and and it just brings me back to the sort

826
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: of I weirdly feel this grown up pride looking at

827
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: young Brooke being like, look at her. She's getting kicked

828
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: out of her nest and she's choosing to do exactly that,

829
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: to advocate and to lead, and even though it's scary,

830
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: she's going to show up for other people and maybe

831
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: learn to show up for herself along the way. Well,

832
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: that's it. She's not being selfish about like I'm going

833
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: to fix this for me. She's like, oh, no, no, no,

834
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: We're going to fix this for everyone. You know what

835
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: it is. It's a cheerleader mentality. And I yes. So

836
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: someone asked me how I got into my television show UM,

837
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: which is a true crime documentary show, and they're like, oh,

838
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: you guys are solving cases and you guys are doing this,

839
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, No.

840
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: Innocence Project organizations are solving these cases and all these

841
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: like lawyers working pro bono are doing all of this work.

842
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: What I'm doing is cheerleading, and and people talk about

843
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: cheerleaders all the time, But there is a life skill

844
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: that I learned because the focus wasn't on me. The

845
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: focus is on who's on the field, and it's your

846
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: job to make them feel seen and supported and to

847
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: bring as many people in as possible to raise their

848
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: voices and get involved to rally and so, honestly, like

849
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: the extracurricular activities I did as a teenager, cheerleading has

850
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: stupidly become like something that's very important, um, and it's

851
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: a big part of what we do. It's, you know,

852
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: using your megaphone and shining the light on somebody else. Yes,

853
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: by the way, it's exactly the same for me. It's

854
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: the reason everyone laughs about me being a camp counselor.

855
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: It's wrangling everybody, pumping them up for the activity, being

856
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: being the leader who gets them there. It's it's the

857
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: reason that I so early in the trajectory of our

858
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: show started doing public advocacy work because same thing. I

859
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: was like, I have a megaphone and I'm gonna use it.

860
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: Watch this, you know it. I love that you had

861
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: the count counselor megaphone and I had the cheer We're

862
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: a literal matchmate in heaven. Joy had the microphone. Goddamn,

863
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: that couldn't have worked out better. We're real good. Somebody

864
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: needs to draw that you need the like hold up

865
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: cheer megaphone. I need the like old school seventies actual electronics. Yeah,

866
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: Joy needs a singer's microphone. Ends artists, please have at it.

867
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: Chop chop, friends, do we have questions? We want to

868
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: spin a wheel, we want to do baby, I want

869
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: to give an honorable mention before we jump into the questions,

870
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: while we do talk about Brooke Davis loving the color

871
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: red and all things nostalgic from the era, That red

872
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: couch at Karen's Cafe, the red couch gets an honorable mention, y'all, Sophia,

873
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: I have thought about that couch so many times, like

874
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: where is that couch? I loved that couch and who

875
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: has it? If anyone knows who has that couch? Can

876
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: you let us know? We could buy it from you.

877
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: It's a sectional baby, like we could each get a piece. Um,

878
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: I would sob God, And I just I remember, like

879
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: what the texture feels like my hand, like like rubbing

880
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: my hand on it. It's such a sense, remember that. Yeah,

881
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: And when we would be in their shooting and there'd

882
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: be a break, we'd all go pile on it, like,

883
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: oh God, I just missed that couch. We could even

884
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: do a thing when we find out where the couches

885
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: and we do like a charity drive to get the

886
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: couch back, honestly, not for us. Not for us. I mean,

887
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: we would raise money for charity to get the couch back.

888
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: I'll pay anyone for the couch, um please, Yeah, I

889
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: love that couch. There were certain pieces on set that

890
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: just like I loved um. Okay, so Anna asks us.

891
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: She says, when peyton Helium brook are having a bad

892
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: day or going through a breakup, there's a common cure

893
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: root beer, floats or ice cream. Do all of you

894
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: like root beer floats in real life? Or what is

895
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: your go to comfort food? I hate root beer more

896
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: than anything. I mean, I don't hate root beer, but

897
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: like I hate it. I don't like ice cream, Like

898
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: it's just didn't we just talk about this? I do?

899
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: I know you do? I don't know. I mean, you

900
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: know that I'll be a killing die hard fan until

901
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: that's no longer on this planet. But I gotta say

902
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: dairy is also terrible for me. I have asthma. Like

903
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: I can't be eating ice cream. It makes me sick.

904
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm they know, but I love it. So I don't know.

905
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: If I if I was gonna pick my most favorite

906
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: comfort food in the world, it would be fun Vietnamese.

907
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: I could eat a bowl of every single day for

908
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. I probably order it two

909
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: or three times a week from a place down the street.

910
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, I love it. I

911
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: love it. Listen, when I came to Toronto to visit you,

912
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: I ordered door Dash at like two o'clock in the

913
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: morning and got good food and a bottle of wine.

914
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: What did you get? Don't you know? It's like trouffle

915
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: fries and you know, like all sorts of But I

916
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, this is like options. Um, yeah,

917
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: that was so fun. I wish i'd known about what

918
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: do you keep on the farm? Oh my god, I know, Well,

919
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: when you come back, we'll just get it when you're

920
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: on the farm, because you are not near anywhere where

921
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: you can get take out at a random hour. What

922
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: do you keep, like, what do you always have stocked

923
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: in the pantry or in the freezer that you can

924
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: cook up quickly for yourself when you're hungry and you

925
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: can't pick up dinner whiskey? Thank you to our friends

926
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: at Jane Walker Guys. Um, No, I have to be

927
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: a responsible adult here. I I'm a carbi person, like

928
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: I am a breadbread bread, bread, bread, bread, bread girl.

929
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: So like bread bread and like the carry gold super

930
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: salty butter. Uh. Yeah. I remember when I was like

931
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: taking German in high school as like a freshman. I

932
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: just needed to learn how to say eliba growth, Like

933
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: I just I love bread. Where is the bread? Um? Oh,

934
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: I love that's what it is. Yeah, I love bread.

935
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: That's that's what stuck after all those years. Uh yeah,

936
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: that's it, just sitting around bread on one tree hill.

937
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: Can you imagine my mom. I will never forget. I've

938
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 1: gotten so much trouble once as a kid. You know, Um,

939
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: did you ever live anywhere with the Vons the grocery

940
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: store bombs? But I know what in California? So well yeah,

941
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: so by the Vans check out, there's always like the

942
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: big French loafs that they would bake for the day

943
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: and they're like a dollar ninety nine. I would beg

944
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: my mom to get me a French loaf every day,

945
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: and she was like, what is why is this kid

946
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: so obsessed with bread? What's going on? And one day

947
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: she finally figures out what I've been doing. I've been

948
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: cutting the loaf in half but then digging out the

949
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: soft bread on the inside. And leaving the crust pouch,

950
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: and then I'd put it back together and just leave

951
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: it on the counter. It's like, have you hollowed out

952
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread every day you second about, and

953
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: I'd get it out and I'd rolled the little dough

954
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: into balls and them. Sofia were the perfect man. Weird kids.

955
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm a crust girl, so I'll always give you the

956
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: insides and I'll take the outsides. Done right, Well, now

957
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: we know. I can't wait to run. I can't wait

958
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: to run a cheerleading summer camp and just have bread

959
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: for every meal. I can't wait to tell joy done done,

960
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: done done, alright, can't wait to invite you all our

961
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: cheerleading summer. Oh my god, it's gonna be so fun.

962
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the outfits. Al right. Back on track,

963
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: Rebecca asks, Oh, this is a good question for us.

964
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: If the show was to reboot today, what music would

965
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: Peyton be collecting and listening to? We literally just talked

966
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: about this. I know what music would be playing in

967
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: the background scenes at trick. Literally we just talked about

968
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: this like minutes ago. Um. I have this new band

969
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: that I'm obsessed with called Pom Pom Squad Uh. Their

970
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: album Death of a Cheerleader Like just came out and

971
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: its It's in my bray. I started posting about it

972
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Um, and the sweet lead singer Like wrote

973
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: me back and I was like, baby, I am trying

974
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: to come see your show this year. I have not

975
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 1: been to a concert in so many years. Calm down

976
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: to the city. She's playing at the Bowery bed Room. Okay, done.

977
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: We definitely have to some strings. We're going well. You

978
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: know people, I think another person. I think about this

979
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: so much just because of what the music did for

980
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: our show, and I think about who affects me so deeply.

981
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: I just know that to Blow would be on heavy

982
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: rotation on our show and we would definitely get her

983
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: to come play a trick because I know her. So

984
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: let's just get all our friends. I just want all

985
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: the hot girls to come play on our show and

986
00:57:52,760 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: make us Girl energy is what we're about. I think

987
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: it's time to spend a whale, sister, Let's do it.

988
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Who is most

989
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: likely to win a pie eating contest? I mean, is

990
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: it me? It might be me? No, you know you

991
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: know who commits and who is a good sport is

992
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: Barbara Allen Woods. She like Barbara. You could throw anything

993
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: up Barbara, and she'd be like, you're right, I'm a

994
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: Midwest girl. Like give it to me. Barbara would win

995
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: and like look good doing it. I was just gonna say,

996
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: I would just be so happy to be eating pie.

997
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: Barbara would like, make it hot. Let's give it to Barbara.

998
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: I love snacks, but she's she's just so sexy hot pie. Okay,

999
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: but who on the show? No, you know what it

1000
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: makes me think of? I can't even remember who said it.

1001
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: Years ago. Somebody was like, Megan Fox is so hot.

1002
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: She makes me want to strangle an ox. And that's

1003
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: how I feel about Barbara. Barbara, Yeah, I can't. Can

1004
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: you imagine if that was Deb's coping mechanism in the

1005
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: episode where she's like, oh, you guys are making me crazy.

1006
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat this pie. Fine, um, all right, Barbara,

1007
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: maybe she will in the next one. Who knows our

1008
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: next episode is season two, episode thirteen. The hero dies

1009
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 1: in this one. Alright, well, what does that mean? Hold

1010
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: on your hats, friends, It's gonna be a doozy. Thank

1011
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: you guys for hanging out. Thank you see you next week.

1012
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: Till next time. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to

1013
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1015
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