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Speaker 2: this is a little bit unusual, but we recorded a

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Speaker 4: One take, Mike, Wow, I'm just so impressed with you.

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Speaker 2: We got to get you out of here, buddy. You know,

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Speaker 2: I respect the heart out. I respect the heart out.

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Speaker 2: I'll see, Okay. Obviously, the only thing anyone's talking about

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Speaker 2: sports correctly, since sports is entertainment and matters of life

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Speaker 2: and death supersede all matters of entertainment, or they should

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Speaker 2: in a society with its priorities ordered correctly, is Deamar Hamlin,

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Speaker 2: football player who went down with a cardiac issue. During

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Speaker 2: before we talk about anything else, prayers or good wishes

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Speaker 2: of fucking you know, angles to talk about this ship from.

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Speaker 2: But first of all, just shocking anytime something like this happens.

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Speaker 5: I think the most shocking thing to me, into so

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Speaker 5: It was just a routine wrap up tackle and you know,

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Speaker 2: It's called komoshia komoshia cordis, and it's it is rare,

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Speaker 3: But you know, I don't think anything is there.

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Speaker 5: There aren't gonna be any sweeping safety reforms because there's

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately on the other end of the spectrum, where you know,

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Speaker 5: There's some legit, concrete shit putting rule books on how

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Speaker 4: So I watched to play over and over and over.

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Speaker 4: I just couldn't understand, you know, like like like Tyler said,

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Speaker 4: It's been that nobody understands that more than these players,

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Speaker 6: It was it was It's just it's it's like you.

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Speaker 4: Said, singing an ambulance on the field nine minutes of resuscitation,

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Speaker 4: you know, yeah, you know, where like you know, these

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Speaker 4: we just don't see, you know, like we've we've seen

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Speaker 4: a lot of horrible things and the fact that we

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Speaker 4: too where people are just you know, it's it's it's

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Speaker 4: it's just it's increasing it became increasingly hard to watch

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Speaker 4: just shocking. And then hearing about like how the NFL

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Speaker 4: was just like, you know, keep playing a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: of their teammates like I said, it's a brotherhood, right,

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Speaker 4: that's not It's not like rather whether it's your teammate

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Speaker 2: safer way of playing football than eleven man football. You know,

431
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: there's more space, there's less linement, there's less of the

432
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, at the end of the day, the biggest

433
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 2: risk of people is alignment whose heads hit each other

434
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: on every play and in every rep and practice. It's

435
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 2: not as scary looking on TV as a guy running

436
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: full speed at another guy, but that is the see

437
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: the chronic and CTE comes from that repetitive kind of blow.

438
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I do think we'll continue to see that,

439
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: and maybe rightly so. I mean, you know, like who

440
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: I mean, who am I man? I make a living

441
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 2: in part covering these kids and telling their stories and stuff.

442
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: I would never tell the kid not to play. I

443
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: am always honest with parents when they ask me about

444
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: my own personal feelings and what we do with our kid,

445
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: and say, yeah, there's almost no way.

446
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Speaker 3: He'll play football.

447
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: But beyond that, you know, it's it's a it's difficult,

448
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 2: I really do. I think it's a difficult, very personal question.

449
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I don't know that there's a

450
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: there's a right answer to it. But I think you're

451
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of emotions laid bare. I did want

452
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: to talk about the Skip Bayliss Shannon Sharp exchange. You're

453
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of like real emotions out there from

454
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: people talking about this because our sports infrastructure is built

455
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: as an entertainment infrastructure, and this is not an entertainment issue,

456
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: you know. And I think Skip Bayless sort of tried

457
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: to treat it that way a little bit. I didn't

458
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: necessarily think his tweet I think people saw some of

459
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: the words in his tweet and it got an emotional reaction.

460
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: I actually thought his tweet was basically where my thoughts were,

461
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: which is, I don't know how you play the game.

462
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't seem like it matters anymore. But

463
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: you know, like he interrupted Shannon Sharp having this very

464
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: personal like monologue about what he's seen as part of

465
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: the NFL brotherhood, he interrupted him and Shannon like it

466
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: felt like just about quit on the air, you know

467
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like that that didn't want.

468
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 4: To jump across that damn table, bro, That's what he

469
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 4: wanted to do, but he's just you know, go ahead,

470
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna argue with your ass, especially not over this.

471
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 4: He just talked about how he didn't want it to

472
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: because he took a day off because it affected him

473
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 4: that much, you know what I mean. So whatever Skip tweeted,

474
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 4: right like, it felt a little callous, right with Skip's

475
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: being a fucking asshole in this situation.

476
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 6: Correct, point blank. You know what I'm saying. It's it's

477
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 6: it's point.

478
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Speaker 4: Blank the way he's dealing with I stand by my tweet, well,

479
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: like it's not about you know, it's how you affected

480
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: people in a with a with a very sensitive subject.

481
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 4: You came across callous because you're apologizing. It doesn't mean

482
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 4: you necessarily the tweet was bad. It's just saying you

483
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 4: see how it affected people, you know what I mean?

484
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 4: And yeah, like of course Skipp, of course Shennon is emotional,

485
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 4: like he's Skipped interrupted him right after Shennon talked about

486
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 4: his brother being paralyzed.

487
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 6: Seeing his brother be paralyzed like three seconds after that, shit,

488
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

489
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Speaker 5: And I mean they had that blow up. You know

490
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks back when when Shannon put on

491
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 5: the table, bro I'm a haul of yeah, and Skip

492
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 5: was like so what. So I imagine Shannon was thinking, Okay,

493
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 5: if this guy, if there's any time this guy is

494
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 5: gonna give me the floor, it's for you know, an

495
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 5: instance like this, and Skip still didn't concede to that.

496
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, I can see fucking Shannon losing and Ship

497
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: about that.

498
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that he looked at their producer

499
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: in the middle of a conversation, you know what I mean,

500
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: Like that's a We've been trying to sort this out.

501
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 2: You convinced me to try and give this a go, I.

502
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: Told you what was your name?

503
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: Jan just ye, let's go.

504
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 6: That's next subject.

505
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 4: And the fact also the bosses had a problem with

506
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 4: what you said.

507
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a like nigga.

508
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: That was he got the call follow up.

509
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 4: But we feel me, you know what I'm saying, Like

510
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, but I mean, I

511
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: think he even addressed that on the show about how

512
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 4: you know the show that the prior I was looking

513
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 4: through the comments, I don't watch that gonna be keep

514
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 4: the stat don't watch it, you know what I'm saying.

515
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 4: But like I liten through the comments, and apparently Skip

516
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: had addressed on the show prior, you know what I'm

517
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 4: saying yesterday's show, you know, talking about like how you

518
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: know people had told him how it was misunderstood and

519
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 4: how he had explained it, you know what I'm saying,

520
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: And so he was just relaying information that Skip already knew, right,

521
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

522
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 6: He Skips as being a fucking.

523
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 4: Asshole man and this is the wrong time, bro, Yes,

524
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, This is the wrong time

525
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: so well.

526
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's exactly sort of my feeling about

527
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: his tweet. Tyler sent us the you know, the the

528
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: tweet about Bob Costa's comments about these risks are and

529
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: every sport Like yeah, like there's some there's some truth

530
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: to that, it's not the time to say it, like

531
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like like every moment is

532
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: not the Like I understand that the Internet and social

533
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: media have warped our brains about this because everything is omnipresent.

534
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: Not every moment is the right time for every truth.

535
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: And you can we could take some time, Like I

536
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: was disappointed by the time I'd heard about this thing

537
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: that happened to Tamar Hamlin. I go on Twitter and

538
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: there's people screaming at each other about whether they should

539
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: resume the game or not, Like, calm the fuck, Like

540
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: can we take ten minutes? Can we take ten minutes

541
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: and take a deep breath and just appreciate the gravity

542
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: and seriousness of a situation before it becomes a like

543
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: you know, there's it's like Spider's crawling, Like what's the

544
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: what's the what can we get out of this? What

545
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: can the argument take?

546
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 5: Right?

547
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 7: What I'm saying, and I agree with Yeah, I fully

548
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 7: agree with not playing, but that doesn't need to be

549
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 7: the argument at that exact moment, bro, you know.

550
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: Like, let's take a minute before we just start yelling

551
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: at strangers or our friends online or whatever. It's just

552
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that aspect of it is fucking

553
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: exhausting to.

554
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: Me personal, So don't mention what truly matters at the

555
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 4: end of it.

556
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: Leave.

557
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, talk about the young

558
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: man is fighting for his life and how you you

559
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and then add that that's a

560
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 4: totally different tweet.

561
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 6: You know, it's a totally different sentiment.

562
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 4: You talked about what mattered to you first, and then

563
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 4: you threw that in as afterthought.

564
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, fuck that.

565
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: Shit, all right. Well, last thing I say is ESPN

566
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: Daily Podcast by Pablo Torre, who I've got a ton

567
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: of respect for, who I think all three of us

568
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: fuck with. Great episode to great, great episode today on

569
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: the actual life of Damar Hamlin. Who he is, what

570
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: his background is, what his story is a great story.

571
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 2: And if you feel like me, you're just sort of

572
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: like this is a big story and you feel like

573
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: you can't not think about it, but you'd like to

574
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: unplug from some of the back and forth social shit.

575
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: Great podcast to actually get to know the young man

576
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: that we're all thinking about, and obviously, as we said

577
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Speaker 2: at the top, sending positive thoughts and prayers to Okay,

578
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: all right, that was Damar Hamlin, And obviously, like we said,

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580
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,200
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Speaker 2: a little bit brighter. Let's talk about the fucking NBA

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Speaker 2: is having the most ludicrous season and moment fucking ever

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, this shit is crazy.

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Speaker 2: What got into these dudes like I like I keep

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00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Broun and Damar going for forty plus not even on

616
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Speaker 2: the list anymore because Giannis is fifty five ten seven

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Speaker 5: It's wild, it's it's we have never seen a season

619
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Speaker 5: quite like this. I saw a stat the other day

620
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Speaker 5: that said the NBA is on pace to have the

621
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Speaker 5: highest total point per game average, which is, you know,

622
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: total point per game average meaning you know, the combination

623
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Speaker 5: of both teams scores, it's going to be the highest

624
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Speaker 5: it's ever been since nineteen eighty five, nineteen eighty five,

625
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 5: which is why you know, all the dismissals of this

626
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 5: season being rooted in that bullshit, oh they don't play

627
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 5: defense in today's NBA is so fucking tired and so

628
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: fucking off base, because that's not what's happening here.

629
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Speaker 3: Bro.

630
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 5: What's happening here is the same thing that happened in

631
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: the eighties, which is, you know, which is what the

632
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 5: numbers say. The last time is when we saw at

633
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 5: top of output like this, which is, you know, we

634
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 5: are seeing a paradigm shift of talent in the NBA.

635
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 5: You know, they were playing defense in the eighties, but

636
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 5: defenses just couldn't do a damn thing with gods like MJ,

637
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 5: Magic Birds, Zeke, you know, Neat Dream, Chuck, you know McHale,

638
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 5: even guys like Alex English, Adrian Dantley, the NBA had

639
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 5: never seen anything like those guys. You know, all you

640
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 5: could do was throw your hands up and you know

641
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 5: which for the best when you want to when you

642
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: win against them, because there wasn't a damn that you

643
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 5: could do about him. And that's the same thing that

644
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 5: we're seeing right now, Like you know, with gods like

645
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 5: KD for instance, right, like, never seen a seven foot

646
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: like him before, shooting sixty two percent from two with

647
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 5: only like twelve percent of his shots coming at the rim.

648
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 5: Fucking ubsurd, Right, We've never seen a seven footer like

649
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 5: Yanni's who, you know, With all due respect to everyone

650
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: who's who's going crazy this year, Jannis is still asserting

651
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 5: himself as the best player on the planet with back

652
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 5: to back forty twenty games Like you mentioned fifty five

653
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 5: ten seven the other night.

654
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: So hey, Yannas strangled that Tatum MVP conversation in the crib.

655
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 5: Bro Hey, Hey, y'all know, y'all know my hot take

656
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 5: of the season.

657
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: You know he's pulling off the ninety four.

658
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: Gave MVP defensive player.

659
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: Tatum Avy sweat for a bit, but we we back

660
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: in buiness Mortimer.

661
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: Right, Tateum coming back. Maybe we'll see, We'll see he's

662
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: gonna need a sixty pointer. And so I'm dropping my

663
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: wrist washing right now. Hey, it can happen.

664
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 6: It can happen this season for sure.

665
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: For sure.

666
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I was gonna say, like, never in my life,

667
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: you know, has a center been the best passing of

668
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 5: the league like we're seeing with Yolkic. You know, never

669
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 5: seen a guy like Steph, who's the greatest shooter we've

670
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 5: ever seen it, can dribble his ass off and get

671
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 5: his own shot. You know, gods who can bomb like

672
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: Steph usually got to put him in the corner, give

673
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 5: him a catch and shoot, run.

674
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: Up seventy eight screens exactly. Can't put the ball on

675
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: the floor at all. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,

676
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: That ain't Stephan. You know what I'm saying.

677
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 5: The whole court goes green for him two steps over

678
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 5: over the half court line, you know what I'm saying.

679
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 5: And not to mention, you know, guys like Dang Jaw

680
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: Zion Book, Mitchell. You know, Shay Gilly, fucking Kyrie, Darius

681
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 5: Garland right right right. You know, we got a fucking

682
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: seven foot guy who's a three level score in Philly.

683
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 5: You know, we got a twenty three year old in

684
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 5: Dallas who's been a fucking pro ball vet for ten years.

685
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's, it's it's we've never seen you know.

686
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 5: Like I said, we are in a new evolutionary boom

687
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 5: of talent right now. You know, I think for a

688
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 5: lot of folks, the modern NBA started with Magic and Bird, right.

689
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 5: I think the seventy nine eighty season when Magic and

690
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: Bird were drafted, that was the ushering end of the

691
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 5: modern NBA. We are in the future now, bro, Like,

692
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: there is a seven foot five eighty year old in

693
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 5: France who has mastered shooting floater three pointers.

694
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: I was just about to say, who just hit his

695
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: He just had a game where he hit three floater

696
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: threes in one right, Right.

697
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: The Aliens have a ride, Bro. So that's why the

698
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 5: whole they don't play defense ship is so tired to me.

699
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 5: Defenses are more creative and complex than they've ever been.

700
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 5: There just isn't a damn that you can do with

701
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 5: these guys.

702
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: Did you see the move when Winby was on the

703
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: corner and he hit man with the heasy went by

704
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 4: him than the dipsy do?

705
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 6: What the fuck does anybody else ever live do with

706
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 6: that shit? There? The man's seven five. It's not the.

707
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: Three point shooters, the three point shot, it's the movement.

708
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 6: It's how he's doing He's doing it off the dribble,

709
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 6: off across.

710
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: And his feet. He can he can reach the rim

711
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: for a duck. Bro, He's getting space, he can get more.

712
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: He's getting space he.

713
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: Doesn't even need because he got handled, Like he could

714
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 4: just shoot over your ass, but he gonna get hit

715
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: you with the double on leg and then a side

716
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: step back and have seventy five feet of fucking space.

717
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying that it's insane, But Bro,

718
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 4: we like this has been like this year has been crazy.

719
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: Like the nets, the nets of the number two team

720
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 4: in the league. They're in a fucking what twelve thirteen

721
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 4: game winning streak. KD is shooting sixty percent in the field.

722
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 4: In December, bro averaging twenty nine game Fucking Kyrie is

723
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: edging closer to his second fifty to forty ninety season.

724
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: Nobody's talking about that.

725
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: Maybe eight people are because every day somebody's going for

726
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 4: seventy fucking doing shit.

727
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 6: That Luca's doing shit, that that that that.

728
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: That nobody's done before in the history of the game.

729
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like it's it's the most

730
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: insane shit. Where like a team the Nets with the

731
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 4: two of the biggest stars, all that fucking turmoil, have

732
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: gone from maybe making the playoffs to the second best

733
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: team in the league on a crazy win streak, and

734
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: we can't talk about it because so and so got.

735
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty six points yesterday.

736
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, It's crazy.

737
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Here's what I want to say. Spider said

738
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: he got tested for PDS the day after the seventy one.

739
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 6: Is gonna make you hit jumpers.

740
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: Listen to me and allow your superstars to give you

741
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: your home run derby moment. Bro. The time to test

742
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: for peds is next year, not in the day after

743
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: the seventeen years from now.

744
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 6: It's two years from now.

745
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 2: We need to you know the home run era, Yeah

746
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: what seven eight years? Yeah, let us have it. Whatever

747
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: the doing. We just had a Pandy let's have a paydy.

748
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: Let let us get these seventy point games.

749
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 4: If this nigga need to eat some Balco fucking shit,

750
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 4: let him, let him.

751
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: Let him eat the Balco sandwich. Niggas fifteen, say, fifteen

752
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: fifty point games. Uh. You know by the time we

753
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: get to the first week of January, and to Tyler's point,

754
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: because I do, I don't think we can ever talk

755
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: about that enough. The most fun argument to have, because

756
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: it's the zest argument to win, is always with college

757
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: basketball fans who say they don't like the NBA because

758
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: they don't play defense. You're mistaking kids who can't shoot

759
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: with defense.

760
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: Bro, You're mistaking bad basketball with good defense.

761
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: Okay, they're playing, they just can't all.

762
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: They're playing defense. These guys are that good. The bag

763
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 4: is that deep, you know what I'm saying. The bag

764
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 4: is that deep.

765
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 6: It's just it's crazy, man like. And then what do

766
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 6: you want, Like, what are you gonna do with a KD?

767
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 6: What are you gonna do with the KD twenty years

768
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 6: from now?

769
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 2: Other than I hope right right? You know what I'm saying,

770
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna record. I'm gonna record a message and give

771
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: it to to deliver it to Obi wan Kenobi. That's

772
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do. Jesus, Jesus. But yes, these these

773
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: players are playing d you know what I mean.

774
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: They got great defensive athletes on the defensive side. It's

775
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: just these guys are that the skill level.

776
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 6: Is so high on the offensive side.

777
00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: Is this rough?

778
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: All? Right? Last topic before we get out of here.

779
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you guys about this. I do

780
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: not like TikTok. I did attempt TikTok, and I find

781
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: its algorithm to be Yeah, but you can it's so

782
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: perfect that you can feel it almost as a physical presence,

783
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: which is why I deleted mine. It's it weirded me out.

784
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 2: But one of the things that it's done because its

785
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: algorithm is that aggressive, is it's divided us into these

786
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 2: very weird little subcultures where there's a like single mom

787
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: of two sets of twins who are dealing with the

788
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: early loss of a parent, but also like to sing

789
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: like that's like a group on it, you know what

790
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: I mean, Like you could apply nine filters to the

791
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: human experience and there's like a TikTok subculture dedicated to it.

792
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you guys about this soft life

793
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: of a black man.

794
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 5: That motherfucker brushed his teeth and watered some flowers, and it

795
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 5: was like, Wow, I would have been a salt life.

796
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: What the fuck, motherfucker you doing chores?

797
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: You're doing what you're supposed.

798
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: To just living, nigga, that just can't You are taking

799
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: care of your mouth and your plants?

800
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: Bro?

801
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: Is that soft?

802
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: Like? Bro? What's crazy though.

803
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 6: Is like these videos are the same.

804
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, if you're on Instagram, there are

805
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: those influencial videos, you know what I'm saying, Like like

806
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: these these these short vlogs that people are doing on

807
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 4: Instagram page.

808
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 6: It's just like, what did you do today?

809
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: Like this is what nigga?

810
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 7: Like, I don't.

811
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 6: I don't get that shit.

812
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 4: I saw that like this morning, Like I was like,

813
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: what the fuck is this soft nigga?

814
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 8: You?

815
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: I don't What is the goal of it? Is it

816
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 4: to like change the perception of the black man?

817
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like, you tell.

818
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: Me, I have no idea but a black man life,

819
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: Like ninety eight percent of niggas I know do that.

820
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 6: Shit, even if they do other shit.

821
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

822
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: Drug dealers like plants, nigga.

823
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 8: You know, I mean there is no way, nigga, there's

824
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 8: no Bro, there is no way you can There's no

825
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 8: way you can angrily pour a bowl of fruity Pebble's

826
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 8: dog Like.

827
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: No sense to me.

828
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: Bro, you mean my niggas just dug and they read

829
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: and they like cheery olds as well.

830
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: Nigga. Fuck you mean, don't light a candle in their

831
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: house as well, like nigga. Fuck nigga. It's is just

832
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: life ship and I don't get it.

833
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

834
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: I don't get it, all right, Well that makes me

835
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: feel better about not getting it. I was like, have

836
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: I been missing formed like I you know, I hang,

837
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: I've been around some o gs. They didn't have stinky breath,

838
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They don't have chill blue,

839
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: they don't have clean It's just the most mundane. Everybody

840
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: has this ship.

841
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: Like so the dude playing with a dog like, okay,

842
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: you know, I mean the.

843
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 2: Dog is cute. I love that soft black man.

844
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Life's life Jesus man.

845
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 4: You know a nigga that ain't fucking nothing minute, nigga

846
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: that ain't smell pussy in four years.

847
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: If it hit that ship, it probably.

848
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: Worked for him though, because the bars in hell for

849
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: a woman like.

850
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was some woman.

851
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure there was a woman who saw that

852
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 5: man water a plane.

853
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: It was like, wow, the empathy there, right.

854
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: We talked about that on the last show. Bro, if

855
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: you're a man who could tighten his shoes, there is

856
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 2: a market for you. Bro, there is someone out there

857
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: for you.

858
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 4: God damn nigga, crazy crazy.

859
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: All right, that's all the time we got, guys. I'm

860
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: so happy that was your guys reaction.

861
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: That's great.

862
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 4: I'm even seeing young niggas be like, like, do is

863
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 4: what like Duke?

864
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 6: Did you see Duke's sweet Yeah?

865
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, y'all, niggas should be a shame.

866
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: He didn't he used them the the soldier boy me.

867
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: Yah, niggas should be a shape. It's so big age, y'all.

868
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: Niggas should be a shame.

869
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Speaker 6: What this.

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00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 2: Soft black man life.

871
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Speaker 6: Nigga.

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00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: We just out here living and I don't think.

873
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: If you're trying to change the perception the people have,

874
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: that perception are not going to be changed by you

875
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: fucking watering your plants at the crib nigga because like

876
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 4: we walk us walking down the street. You know what

877
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: I'm saying is, you know, motherfuckers think some negative shit,

878
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: you know, like what are you?

879
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Speaker 2: Why don't understand the purpose of any of this? That's

880
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: one of Tyler's great FSI is on this show since

881
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: I think your first episode of just like, you're not

882
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: going to convince any of these people anything, you know

883
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: what I mean, They're not one video of you watering

884
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: a plant away from being okay with schools being inergrated, like.

885
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: Right, like, wow, you watered the plan anymore.

886
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones was watching that video, going, you know what,

887
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: I should hire one as a head coach.

888
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 9: Right, that Jiggaboo might be a solid person. I just

889
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 9: don't understand. I don't understand.

890
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 10: That moon might be all right, right, oh boy, that

891
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 10: black men could be into horticulture.

892
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: Right, you see how I watered that plant.

893
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: That's a quality coon right there. That's this is what

894
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 4: soft black man life is gonna change.

895
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, change the world water we plants?

896
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 6: Come on?

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00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: Uh, all right, I gotta get back to the soft

898
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: Italian man life of brushing my teeth. I guess so

899
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: that's all the time we got for today. We'll go

900
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: to water plant, light a candle. I'll light a candle.

901
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: We don't have plants inside the house. I'm realizing I'm

902
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: not because I'm hort like that. I'm fucking hort like that.

903
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Speaker 2: We don't. We don't fuck with.

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Speaker 6: This motherfucking dog plants on every corner.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll be back on Monday. I hope everyone

906
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Speaker 2: has a good weekend and we'll talk to y'all in

907
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: a couple of days. My boots scooting boogie