1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 2: Can hear us every day from one until four and 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: then after four o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand on 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: the iHeart app. And the moistline is eight seven seven 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: Moist eighty six eight seven seven Moist eighty six or 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: the talkback feature. 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: On the iHeartRadio app. 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: Trump Biden on his way out, pardoned much of his 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: family who hadn't been charged yet for anything. Trump, after 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: he was inaugurated, pardoned everybody involved in the January sixth insurrection, 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: everybody who was convicted of one thing or another, including 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: the ones convicted of the most violent crimes and insurrection. 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: We are going to talk now with Royal Oaks, who 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: is the ABC News legal analyst, and discuss this pardon situation. Royal, 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: how are you. 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: I'm doing well? But boy, yeah, pardons are just huge 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: in the news, not only the family member by Biden, 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: but now as you're reporting, I mean about fifteen hundred 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: partons or commutations were given to the rioters. Of those, 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: fourteen were commutations for far right groups of the Proud 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: Boys and the Oathkeepers, militia. As you say, some of 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: them are really violent crimes. So there's probably going to 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: be some political blowback, John, But I'm guessing that, you know, 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: the American public is probably going to at the end 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: of the day give this a big ho hum because 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: so many have come to regard the politicization of the 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: criminal justice systems. Well, that's business as usual. You know, 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: to start with the Russia collusion, and then the two impeachments, 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: and then the four criminal cases against Donald Trump, some 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: of which were I mean, let's face it, you know, 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 3: with Alvin Bragg, the progressive da in Manhattan having dieded 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders. If Bernie Sanders had had a you know, 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: a fling with a progressive stripper, nobody believes that, you 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 3: know what happened. 36 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: What is a progressive strip. 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 3: They probably asked their political views before they hire them. 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's it's a free for all, and 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: everybody is getting dirty from it. I mean, nobody has 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: any high moral ground. Most of the people are criticizing 41 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: Trump didn't say a word about Biden pardoning his family 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: among many other criminals. I mean, the family was the 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: least of it. But there were a lot of criminals 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: whose sentences were commuted, people on death row, the federal 45 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: death row had their death sentences commuted, and people just 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: outright released and their records cleared through a pardon. Now 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: that's what a pardon is, right, the whole thing is 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: wiped away. 49 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: Well, here's the deal. It's kind of a subtle distinction. 50 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: When you get a pardon, it is a forgiveness of 51 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: the federal crime. It's essentially the president saying, you know, 52 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: I forgive you for this. It does not wipe it 53 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: off the books. And interestingly, it is not only still 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: on the books as a conviction. Let's say one of 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: these guys who was convicted and then pardoned is then 56 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 3: sued for, you know, assaulting somebody. The person who sues 57 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: in civil court for money damage is not a criminal 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: deal is entitled to say, hey, judge, you instruct the 59 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: jury in the civil suit that we win automatically because 60 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: the guy was convicted even though he was pardoned. So 61 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: it's not a complete get out of jail free card. 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: The commutation is a reduction of the severity, you know, 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: go home, no more, finds, no more jail. But it 64 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: is not an official forgiveness. And interestingly, for a pardon 65 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: to work, you have to say, Okay, I admitted I 66 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: did it, I'm sorry, and I accept the pardon. So 67 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: you know, there's some inside baseball differences. But yet still 68 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: you could see some civil lawsuits against some of these folks. 69 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: But you know, who cares eighteen twenty years in prison off, 70 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: you know, out of their future. They can put up 71 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: with a couple of lawsuits. 72 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: What I find curious is people who accept pardons and 73 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: claim they did nothing wrong. 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, you know, you have to accept it 75 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: because you don't want to go to prison for twenty years. 76 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: But you know, free speech, you're entitled to say. But 77 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: by the way, you know that's a bunch of bunk, 78 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: I didn't do it at all. So yeah, they want 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: it both ways. 80 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: I don't see the Biden family refusing any of the pardons. 81 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: No, I don't think anybody is going to refuse it. 82 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: And you know, from Biden's standpoint, he said to himself, 83 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: I can't trust Trump and his Department of Justice to 84 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: be fair. I think he's going to go after everybody. 85 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: I'm surprised he didn't pardon Liz Cheney too, But you know, 86 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: doctor Fauci and all the rest of them, so he 87 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: could excuse his pardon of a bunch of guilty people 88 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: based on the allegation that, well, I can't trust Trump, 89 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 3: you know, he'll do terrible things. But again, back to 90 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: my original point, I think the American public is just 91 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 3: so discouraged that I my gosh. You know, these people 92 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 3: with this ultimate power of charging with crimes and putting 93 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: people in prison forever, they're political. I mean, that's not 94 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: supposed to be the way America is, and yet it 95 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: seems like it's business as usual and. 96 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: This is an absolute right under the Constant. There's nothing 97 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: that anybody can do about it. 98 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting that people have wondered, well, gee, 99 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: is self pardon legal? May have President pardon himself for 100 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: herself And we don't know because the Supreme Courts never 101 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: stuck its teeth into it. But most constitutional scholars say, yeah, 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 3: they could probably get away with it. For this reason, 103 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: if you read the Constitution, there are two exceptions to 104 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: the park power. One is it's got to be a 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: federal crime, can't be a state crime. And number two, 106 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: you can't help somebody out of an impeachment. If somebody 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 3: is accused of terrible high crimes and misdemeanors, and so 108 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: they want to impeach and convict them and kick them 109 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: out of office. The pardon power does not extend there. 110 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 3: The fact of Founders carved out two exceptions leads a 111 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: lot of scholars to say, well, you know, they were 112 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 3: smart guys. They could have said, oh, no, self pardons 113 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: by a president. So yeah, the bottom line is it's 114 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: basically unlimited as long as it's a federal crime. 115 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: Let's talk about two of the worst characters out of 116 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: the nearly sixteen hundred that Trump pardoned in connection to 117 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: the insurrection on January. Two of them was Enrique Tario 118 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: of the Proud Boys. The other was Stuart Rhodes of 119 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 2: the Oathkeepers. These are militia groups, far right wing groups, 120 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: and they had been charged with Well, let's talk about 121 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: Tario first. He was going to serve twenty two years 122 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: convicted of seditious conspiracy. 123 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: Explain what that is. 124 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, it's I want to overthrow the government. And ironically, 125 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: this guy, Enrique, because he had some previous criminal stuff, 126 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: a judge had kicked him out of Washington, d C. 127 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: A few days before January sixth, so he wasn't around, 128 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 3: but he was like allegedly the general of the army 129 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: of the people who wanted to take over the capitol 130 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: and allegedly overthrow the government. And so that's why he 131 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: got such a big sentence. He was seen as like, 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: you know, the Dwight Eisenhower on d Day or only 133 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: a bad guy. And so you know, there were other 134 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: guys ond you mentioned, plus a proud boy, this guy 135 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: David Dempsey, he got twenty years for using his hand 136 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: in his feet, a flagpole and crutches, pepper spray and 137 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: broken pieces of furniture. You know, there were a lot 138 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: of people using it, you know, hockey sticks, two by fours, 139 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: really violence. That one guy was stood by the gallows 140 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: calling for the hanging of Nasty Pelosi and the Barack Obama. 141 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of people are going to say 142 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: these people are bad folks. They shouldn't get to swept 143 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: up in the pardon poalooza for your own. 144 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: There was a wide range of people charged because some 145 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: people just followed the crowd and wandered in and then 146 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: there were others, yeah, who brought a lot of bizarre 147 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: weapons and they had bad intent. If they had found 148 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: somebody like Pelosi or Mike Pence. Yeah, they might have 149 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: hanged somebody because the. 150 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: Crowd is exactly. If you look at the fifteen hundred pardons, 151 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: about a thousand of them were misdemeanors for things like trespassing, 152 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: disorderly conduct. So the vast majority of people, it was 153 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: pretty low end stuff and you know, they probably weren't 154 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: going to be serving much time anyway. So that's the majority. 155 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: But of the fifteen hundred, about four hundred to five 156 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: hundred more serious things, including you know, trying to overthrow 157 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: the government. So when a lot of people say, you know, 158 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: it wasn't an insurrection, it was just a mob. People 159 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: got out of hand. But there were a lot of 160 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: judges and prosecutors who went real hard against these people. 161 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: One guy assaulted a fellow rioter who tried to disarm him, 162 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: using a broken piece of furniture on somebody, So it 163 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: was an ugly situation. But yeah, from a criminal standpoint, 164 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 3: it's a happy dayser here again, all of these folks 165 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 3: all of the country, hundreds and hundreds of were released 166 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: from jail, and if you had a pending trial, you know, 167 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: come up in a month or two. Boom, it's off, 168 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: no trial, go, you return to your homes, and that's it. 169 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: We have Stuart Rhodes from the Oathkeepers, he was going 170 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: to serve eighteen years on seditious conspiracy. Joseph Biggs, member 171 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: of the Proud Boys, he was going to get seventeen years. 172 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 2: And both of those sentences were commuted. Not an outright pardon, 173 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: but they are resentenced to time served and they're both 174 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: out already. 175 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: Exactly the exact same effect of the pardon, except you know, 176 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: the pardon has the forgiveness. But in all cases it 177 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: means freedom. It means no more jail, it means no 178 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: more fine, no probation. Usually, you know, you get these 179 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 3: kinds of things when somebody has had a lot of 180 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: good behavior behind bars and they or served a long time, 181 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: and you know, maybe they've got health issues, they've got 182 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: cancer or something. But this is obviously a very different situation. 183 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 3: This is Donald Trump saying, you know, these people were 184 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: victims of politicization of the system. 185 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: Well, Biden does it on his last day so he 186 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: can't suffer any repercussions from voters. He's already been pre 187 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: kicked out of office. And Trump does it on his 188 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: first day and he's never running for office again. So 189 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: in both cases, neither one of them is going to 190 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 2: suffer any personal or political consequences. They could pardon anybody 191 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: they want to, and they could pardon thousands more. 192 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: It wouldn't have mattered in their lives. 193 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the way it works. I mean there's 194 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: a rich history too. You remember back in Clinton's time, 195 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: on his last day, Clinton pardoned his brother Roger, who 196 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 3: was convicted of cocaine distribution. And he pardoned Mark Rich, 197 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: who everybody acknowledged was a really bad guy, dishonest, you know, 198 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: extortion the nancier. But his wife had given a million 199 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: bucks to the Democratic National Committee. So but what are 200 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: you going to do? You know, people criticized Bill Clinton, 201 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: but that didn't stop him from still, you know, having 202 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: a positive image. 203 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: You know, it cracks up put putting like politics aside, right, 204 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: is that people invest so much emotion into these guys 205 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: and and and admire them, and uh, they're all they're 206 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: all nasty characters. 207 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean really. 208 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: No, absolutely, But you know, your your politics gets in 209 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: the way, and you know that that's you look at 210 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: that through the prism of your personal views, and you 211 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 3: kind of ignore morality. 212 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these are not people you'd want your 213 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: family or do business with. All right, thank you Royl 214 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: for coming on. 215 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: You bet, thank you. 216 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: ABC News is a legal analyst on the pardon party 217 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: over the last few days for Trump and Biden. 218 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 219 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 4: six forty. 220 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: All right, here's that story I was telling you about 221 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: from before, the people who only need five hours of sleep. 222 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you have a you have a gene mutation. 223 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: Lewis Patacek is a neurologist a U SEE San Francisco. 224 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: He has a colleague, Ying hue Fu real name, human 225 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: geneticist and neuroscientists, and they have identified seven specific genes 226 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: that make some people natural short sleepers, people who only 227 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: need four to six hours a night and suffer no 228 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: health consequences. In fact, they may be healthier than others. 229 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 5: Really listen to this. 230 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: Potassic said his research started years ago with a woman 231 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: who came to him complaining of being well. She got 232 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: up really early in the morning. She would wake up 233 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. It was cold, lonely, 234 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 2: and dark, and she said there was a genetic history 235 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: of it in her family. Her granddaughters were the same, 236 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: so he decided to try to isolate the gene they could. 237 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: They were able to pinpoint the woman and her family 238 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: and found a genetic mutation. It's an actual trait various 239 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: mutated genes. One of them was in the gene called 240 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: DEC two. One of this gene's jobs is to control 241 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: levels of a brain hormone called orexin. Erexin promotes wakefulness. 242 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: Now at the other end of the spectrum are people 243 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: who don't produce enough erecsin, and they suffer from narcolepsy. 244 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: They're constantly falling asleep. So they genetically engineered these gene 245 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: mutations into mice, and they found that the rodents needed 246 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: less sleep than other mice, no health consequences, and the 247 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: mice also lacked the memory problems that normally follow a 248 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: short night's sleep. 249 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: Do you have memory problems? 250 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 5: I do? 251 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: Well, all right, Maybe maybe you have other problems I do? 252 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 253 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's that's a consequence of not enough sleep. 254 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. 255 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: But if it was a genetic mutation, you wouldn't have 256 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: that problem. 257 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 5: Oh, so then it's not a genetic mutation. 258 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: Maybe not. 259 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: Maybe you just way too stressed out and strung out 260 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: all the time. The short sleep gene might protect you 261 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: from certain diseases. And what they did is they crossbread 262 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: the mice that had the short sleep gene with mice 263 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: that carried genes predisposing them to Alzheimer's. The hybrid mice 264 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: developed fewer physical symptoms of Alzheimer's, you know, the tangles 265 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: and the proteins in your brain. It seemed the sleep 266 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: mutations were protecting them. And they found that short sleepers 267 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: actually excel on a small amount of rest. They don't 268 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:22,479 Speaker 2: just survive, they excel their go getters, their ambitious, energetic, optimistic, 269 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: remarkable resilience against stress, and higher thresholds for pain. 270 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 6: I don't have all those, I see. 271 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: I started out thinking this might make you feel. 272 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 5: Right, I know, No, I don't have this mutation. Unfortunately, 273 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 5: I think this is Trump though Trump is a four 274 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 5: hour guy. 275 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, who else could put up with what 276 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: he's endured over the last you know, ten years. There 277 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: are drawbacks because you end up with a lot of 278 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: time on your hands. I mean, I guess you kind 279 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: of have to be ambitious to fill all those extra hours. 280 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: Oh well, if you get most people an extra five hours, 281 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: and you gave them the five hours at a weird 282 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: time like four in the morning. 283 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, but don't they just try to go back to 284 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 6: sleep or they just say, you know, screw it, I'm 285 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 6: up and I'm gonna do whatever, because I just will 286 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 6: toss and turn until well it makes sense to get 287 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 6: out of bed. 288 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: It's a collection of brain chemicals, like melotonin gets secreted 289 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: in your brain naturally when you experience darkness. If you 290 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: don't disturb your brain with artificial light or by staring 291 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: at a screen all night, then the eventually the melatonin 292 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: builds up in your brain and puts you to sleep. 293 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: Or you could take it in pill form. 294 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't work right. 295 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: You're a research project. I really am nothing. You're a 296 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: previous to anything that would knock you out. Well, try 297 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: the hammer. 298 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 5: No, I haven't tried that. 299 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: When ye cammer, see what happens. 300 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I need something strong. 301 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's one to two percent of the 302 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: population a sleepers, and women generally need more sleep than men. 303 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: So you're defying all the patterns here. 304 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 5: Well, now you know what my issues are, so be kind. 305 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Uh, well, that's not the only issue. 306 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: Leonardo da Vinci had a twenty minute nap every four 307 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: hours rather than sleeping every night, and Winston Churchill took 308 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: a two hour nap at five o'clock every day and 309 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: said this allowed him to work one and a half 310 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: days every twenty four hours. 311 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. 312 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: And Lyndon Johnson and John Kennedy also had daily naps 313 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: to break the day into two ships. 314 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: I have a daily nap too. 315 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 5: You do in the morning, right. 316 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: In the morning, yes, like between ten and eleven, usually 317 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: about twenty minutes half hour. And I'd wake up feeling 318 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: much better after the nap than I do when I 319 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: get up in the morning and you really. 320 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 5: Are sleeping, because you're not just thinking your brain. 321 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: No, no, I'm so jealous. I'm out. 322 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: I even start dreaming the whole thing. Yeah, it's like 323 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 2: a mini compressed night. I feel like I have two days, 324 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: Like I have my morning day, I take a nap, 325 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: and then I have the rest. 326 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 6: How can you be tired again at ten in the morning, though, 327 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 6: because you sleep very you sleep long hours. 328 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: I have had this habit now for probably thirty years. 329 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 2: When I used to early in radio, I used to 330 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 2: work mornings and the show would be over at ten 331 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: o'clock and I'd go home and I would take a nap. 332 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: Because I was out late at night, I was getting 333 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: up really early, and that makes sense. I was never 334 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: getting enough sleep. So I started getting a habit of 335 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: going to bed at about ten thirty or so, and 336 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: that has stuck ever since. 337 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 5: You do the same thing on the weekends when you're 338 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 5: not working. 339 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, my wife knows that. 340 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: She looks at my face, like on a Saturday, and 341 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: she goes, I could tell you need a nap. You're 342 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 2: looking franky, or if I am cranky, she goes, you 343 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: didn't get your nap, did you. 344 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm treated like a tubble. 345 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 5: Well, there's good reason. 346 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: When when we come back. There's a story in the 347 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: La Times this past week about we know about the 348 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: water problem in the Palisades with the reservoir that wasn't 349 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: filled and the water tanks that got drained by the 350 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: fire department. They had a lot of problems getting water 351 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 2: into the Palisades because the only way to bring more 352 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: water in. You may have been wondering if they didn't 353 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: have the reservoir and if the tanks ran dry, then 354 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: what did they do. Well, they had to send water 355 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: down a pipe from other nearby LA towns. But that 356 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: could create problems because then nearby towns wouldn't have water 357 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: and if a fire broke out there, there could have 358 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 2: been a disaster. And I was going through the story. 359 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: I'll talk more about it next time. 360 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobel's on Demand from KFI AM 361 00:18:59,560 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 4: six four. 362 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: We're on from one until four after four o'clock, you 363 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: miss something, be Ashamed of Yourself John Cobelt Show on 364 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: Demand on the iHeart app, and then you can listen 365 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 2: to whatever you missed earlier in the day. We're going 366 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 2: to talk with Michael Gates, frequent guest on the show. 367 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: In Huntington Beach is the city attorney. Why would we 368 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 2: have him on so often? Because Huntington Beach is its 369 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: own charter city and they don't have to follow all 370 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: of Governor Newsom's absurd policies, and there's other policies that 371 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: they don't want to follow and they end up in 372 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 2: court one way or the other. They are going to 373 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: declare themselves a non sanctuary city, saying there's been an 374 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: increase in violent crime as one of the reasons to 375 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 2: become a non sanctuary city. In a sanctuary state, how 376 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: all this works. We're going to talk with Michael Gates 377 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: coming up. Always interesting to talk to you to Michael. 378 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: All right, So, one of the things that we're gonna 379 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: stay on top of all year long after the fires 380 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: are put out the rebuilding starts, is who's to blame 381 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: this here? You know that Elon Musk is the Department 382 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: of Government efficiency. I am starting the government of the 383 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: Department of blame and finger pointing, all right, because I 384 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: hear guilty politicians complain all the time. Now is not 385 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: the time for finger pointing, not is now the time 386 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: for the blame game. Now is not the time for 387 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking. Well, welcome to the 388 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: Department of Blame, finger pointing, second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking. 389 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna do all of it in the next four months, 390 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: and we're never gonna let up on the guilty parties 391 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 2: because things have got to change drastically here in the 392 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: city of Los Angeles, and I imagine in a lot 393 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: of places here in southern California. We have been so 394 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: consumed by these progressives who care only about homeless people, 395 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: illegal aliens, criminals, and climate change. That's it, and things 396 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: like police protection, fire protection, school systems that work, water 397 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: systems that work, energy systems that work, barely gets any 398 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: of their focus. 399 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: And now is the time to look. 400 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: At why the Palisades ran out of water. Now we 401 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: know already that one of the gigantic reservoir one hundred 402 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 2: and seventeen million gallon reservoir was left empty. I'm reading 403 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: stories that other nearby reservoirs were also empty. And this 404 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 2: is the fault of the DWP and Genice Qiinoonyez, the CEO, 405 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: who is apparently obsessed with diverse, the equity and inclusion. 406 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: She was not obsessed with water and power. That was 407 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: her job to distribute water and power. I know it's 408 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: just not as cool and trendy and sexy as diversity, 409 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: equity and inclusion. 410 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: But water in power. 411 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: If we don't have it, we don't have a civilization, 412 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: we don't exist. So the La Times, a couple of 413 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: writers named Matt Hamilton and Ian James, did a story 414 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 2: detailing what happened when they realized we don't have enough water. 415 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: Reservoirs empty, the three million gallon water tanks are running dry. 416 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: What are we going to do? 417 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 3: Well? 418 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: According to Hamilton and James in the tanks that regulate 419 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: pressure in the upper reaches of the canyons. The water 420 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: was beginning to dwindle and DWP officials had to figure 421 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: out how to boost the pressure. There is a thirty 422 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: six inch pipeline that carries water from a bel Air 423 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: reservoir to the west side before it curves uphill in 424 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 2: to the Pacific Highlands. And so they had a choice 425 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 2: to make. Do they shut off water to nearby neighborhoods 426 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: such as Brentwood, or you'll keep running out of water 427 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 2: pressure on the front lines. Now, if they turned off 428 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: the water, medical facilities would be in trouble, dialysis centers 429 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: for example. 430 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: How long would it take to turn off the valves? 431 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: And could the pipes handle such a shift or could 432 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 2: they rupture? By the way on Sunset Boulevard. And I 433 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: don't know if this is the pipe that runs under 434 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 2: Sunset Boulevard, but there have been some spectacular ruptures in 435 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: recent years. 436 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: I mean shooting. 437 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 2: Water, you know, like fifty feet into the air because 438 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: the pipes are crumbling. Which is going to be my 439 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: ultimate point here is that we have a crumbling system 440 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: that nobody in the County in the city has funded 441 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 2: They have not funded repairs, like real repairs, not just 442 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 2: patchwork repairs, in many, many years. And this has got 443 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: to change. And if anybody objects, you just point to 444 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: the palisades saying sorry, you're wrong, you're wrong. 445 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: And you're fired. We got to get that. We got 446 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: to get the Trump attitude. 447 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 3: You know. 448 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: Trump woke up this morning and put out a post 449 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: on his on a social media site that said you're 450 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 2: fired in capital letters with an exclamation point, and that 451 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: was to one thousand bureaucrats who worked under Biden. You're fired, 452 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 2: Get out. Do not debate these people anymore, Do not 453 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: argue with them. They have to go. They have to 454 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: be fired, they have to be forced to resign, they 455 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: have to be voted out of office. 456 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: Otherwise there's going to be more palisades. 457 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: So they had a plan to turn off the water 458 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: for other neighborhoods on the West Side, but ultimately they 459 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: decided not to execute that plan. Newsom Is ordered an investigation. 460 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: The La City Council voted unanimously last week to demand 461 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: that the DWP present an analysis of its actions. There 462 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 2: should be outside investigations here. The DWP is not going 463 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: to admit they screwed up by leaving the reservoir empty. 464 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what cover excuse there could possibly be, 465 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: but it leads to this bottom line. We have a terrible, 466 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: terrible water system in Los Angeles. All the experts in 467 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: here are saying, wow, you know, I mean, there's a 468 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: small water system is not designed to fight a fire. 469 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: Well it should be. We're in a high fire prone area. 470 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: They keep claiming that climate change is going to make 471 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 2: it worse, and yet they cut funding for all this 472 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 2: stuff constantly. 473 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: Can't go on this way. It's got to stop. 474 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: We should have a water system that allows us to 475 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: live normally, and if an area or two is affected 476 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: by annual fires, there's. 477 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: Enough order to put them out. Period. 478 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: Build the system. People pay an enormous amount in taxes. 479 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: Let's start with the billion, three hundred million that is 480 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: spent on the homeless every fing year. Let's grab all 481 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: that money. Imagine if we had all that homeless money 482 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: and they start half the fires. I've been saying this 483 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: every single day, and I'm going to keep saying it. 484 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: You can't give money to the fire starters and deny 485 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: money to the fire fighters. We are so upside down, 486 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: I mean morally upside down under how morally can you 487 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: give money to people who start fires? 488 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: Every day? 489 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: Half the fires in LA that the fire department has 490 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: to attend to is from homeless people, and then you 491 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: only have half a fire department to combat this situation. 492 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: And they're part of the reason Palisades response was so 493 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: weak is that they have to keep firefighters back to 494 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: deal largely with the homeless fires. That's what they're talking about. 495 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: But they're talking in code. But if you read enough articles, 496 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: then I have and Michael Schellenberger has too. If you 497 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: look at what they're saying, the homeless starts so many 498 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: fires that they have to keep a significant percentage of 499 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: the force. They have to hold them back, not send 500 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: them to the wildfire because you don't know what's going 501 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 2: to go on in the city. 502 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: And plus just having all this in the air. 503 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: The extreme fire danger, the Santa Andna winds blowing, just 504 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: all the mayhem that's going on that inspires these crazy 505 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: people that are whacked out on meth. I remember reading 506 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: one person in government said there's something about meth that 507 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: makes you set fires, like there's something about bath salts. 508 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: A few years ago that made people eat their own 509 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 2: flesh or eat other people's flesh because their brains get 510 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: wildly disordered, disordered, and then they have this compulsion to 511 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: light things on fire. We've got more when we come back. 512 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 513 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 4: six forty. 514 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: I've got a little more on the DWP response to 515 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: the fire and the Palisades. When they ran out of water, 516 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: so we told you that they would because they left 517 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: the reservoir dry and the water tanks they had ran 518 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: out quickly. They were going to divert water from neighborhoods 519 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: like Brentwood, but they were afraid that something bad would 520 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: happen there. What if a fire broke out, What about 521 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: all the medical facilities there. Now, as it turned out, 522 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: they put a restriction on using the water in surrounding neighborhoods. 523 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: They said the water might be fouled and undrinkable, but 524 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: it was still coming out of the faucets. But further 525 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: on in this story, in the La Times, they were 526 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: trying to figure out maybe they could install a device 527 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: that would regulate pressure in the neighborhood where the fire 528 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: broke out and in the neighborhoods down below the hill, 529 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: but the flames overtook the neighborhood where the DWP workers 530 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: were trying to address the problem, so they had to 531 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: evacuate they were surrounded by fire. Now it turns out 532 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: the DWP, remember I told you the La Fire Department 533 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: had not pre deployed strike teams in the Palisades even 534 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 2: though there was an extreme fire risk. Well, the DWP 535 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 2: also did not deploy water crews in advance. 536 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: Either. 537 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: Employees were on high alert and ready to report to 538 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: DWP yards across the city, but not specifically to the 539 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: Palisades and other hillsides where the fire danger was the greatest. 540 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: This is according to Anselmo Collins, the chief of Water Operations. 541 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: This is a new character in the story and so 542 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: and Selmo Collins was defending this decision. You don't know 543 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: what the emergency is going to be, and you don't 544 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: want to make an assumption and put your staff in 545 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: the wrong location. But you did make an assumption. You 546 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: assume that you weren't going to have enough of a 547 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: fire issue and water issue in the Palisades and probably 548 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: elsewhere that you decided not to send in a deployment team. 549 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: So if you have the fire department not sending in 550 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: a deployment team, and you have the water department not 551 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: sending in their own deployment team, you end up with 552 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: nobody in the Palisades. When the fire does break out 553 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: and they quickly run out of water pressure and water, well, 554 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: what kind of a decision is that? They're always defending 555 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: bad decisions. What you're supposed to do is send the 556 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: troops in in case something happens, especially when a situation 557 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: says the risk is high. 558 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. 559 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: If they don't respond to the National Weather Service saying 560 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: extreme fire risk, what would they respond to? What would 561 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: make them send in strike teams? Both the water crews 562 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: and the fire crews. What does it take? 563 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: Guys? Extreme? 564 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: You're telling us to take it seriously. You're telling us 565 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: to be ready. Okay, we're ready, you are not. What 566 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: are we supposed to do while in the Palisades people 567 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: just watch their homes burn. No, they watched the firefighters 568 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: run out of water and then the homes burned. But 569 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: maybe all the tax dollars we spent for a billion 570 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: years should be going to create a water system that 571 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 2: could handle the daily city needs and fight wildfires in 572 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: the high fire districts. 573 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Is that so radical? 574 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: Isn't that obvious instead of spending a billion three hundred 575 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: million every year on a group of vagrants who start 576 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: the fires. 577 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: How can this go on another day? Really? 578 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: How can we live another day with a government that 579 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: sends billions of dollars, doesn't help the homeless, just enriches 580 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: all these fake criminal nonprofits and then tell us why 581 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: we really don't have a system that can handle this 582 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 2: much of a water need you know, we really don't 583 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: have a fire department that's capable of covering this. You 584 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: have to double the funding to the fire department. God 585 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: knows how much funding you need for the water department. 586 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: But maybe if well, we will get into all the 587 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 2: misguided priorities of these energy companies. 588 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: You could do it. 589 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 2: You just spend the money, and you do it, and 590 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 2: stop spending it on nonsense. We're coming up right after 591 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: three o'clock. This is part of the whole insanity from 592 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: this progressive error. California is a sanctuary city for illegal aliens. 593 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: Are we going to be the last holdout? Well, Huntington 594 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: Beach says no, we want to be a non sanctuary city, 595 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: and the violent crime across California is one of the 596 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: reasons they want to start cooperating with the Feds. Debora 597 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: mark Liden, KFI twenty four Hour Newsroom, Hey, you've been 598 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You can always 599 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: hear the show live on KFI AM six forty from 600 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: one to four pm every Monday through Friday, and of course, 601 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.