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Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is There and Gone South

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Speaker 2: Street Episode three, Together or Not?

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Speaker 3: Hold is I say you in my dream wait down

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Speaker 3: in the dog.

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Speaker 4: For you.

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Speaker 5: P lost to me. I'll never give up, no matter

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Speaker 5: how I opened my eyes.

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Speaker 2: Fine. Just a note that the views and opinions expressed

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Speaker 2: in this podcast are solely those of the individuals participating.

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Speaker 2: This podcast also contains subject matter that may not be

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Speaker 2: suitable for everyone. Discretion is advised. It's the evening of Sunday,

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Speaker 2: February twentieth, two thousand and five. At this point, Danielle

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Speaker 2: Mbo and Richard Patron hadn't been seen since just before

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Speaker 2: eleven forty five the previous night. They were leaving a

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Speaker 2: John and his mother got together with the Patrons to

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Speaker 6: I went over to the Patron's house and everybody's and

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Speaker 2: These two families were no strangers to one another. Richard's sister,

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Speaker 6: Christine was always at our house, or Danielle was always

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Speaker 2: And that friendship extended well beyond Danielle and Christine. Marge

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Speaker 6: Marge and my mother, Felice, met through the girls and

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Speaker 2: Danielle also had been casually dating Richard over the months

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Speaker 6: Marge Patron and my mother were calling hospitals, and mister

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Speaker 2: The two drove to South Street, where Danielle and Richard

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Speaker 6: We were up and down each bridge, that Ben Franklin,

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Speaker 2: That's not what happened that night. There were no records

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Speaker 6: I just can't even describe the feeling of a loved

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Speaker 2: John remembers a lot of uncomfortable silence during that car ride.

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Speaker 6: He was getting so much pressure and his family was

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Speaker 2: Danielle was conflicted. She and Joe had a son who

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Speaker 6: We were on the phone my whole ride home from work,

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Speaker 6: She had said, I don't want to get back together

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Speaker 2: Obviously, this is something that goes on all the time.

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Speaker 2: Like any mother. All she wanted was for her son

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was fate or just coincidence. But once Danielle's

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Speaker 4: I love Danielle, I always did.

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Speaker 4: They could stay in and have a pizza and a beer,

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Speaker 4: Mike, what's a tian mother's dream one that of course

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Speaker 2: Danielle and Richard started hanging out in the summer, and

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Speaker 4: Danielle and Richard gave me that as a gift together

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Speaker 2: Was like a.

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Speaker 5: And that was November.

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Speaker 2: That New Year's Day. Richard's aunt Linda remembers Danielle talking

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Speaker 7: Danielle said, I had the best New Year's Eve of

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Speaker 7: And she said we danced at twelve o'clock and that,

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Speaker 7: she said, with no music, and they just kept smiling

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Speaker 1: He just slowly started, you know, family outings and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I was like, is this like a serious thing? Dad,

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Speaker 1: Like are you stating? And he told me yeah, like

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Speaker 1: I really, I really have feelings for her. I care

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Speaker 1: about her a lot now. When I was little, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hated them. He wasn't allowed to have girlfriends. I

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Speaker 2: And said things between Danielle and her Dad eventually got

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Speaker 1: He sat me down and said, listen, I really like Danielle.

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Speaker 1: You know, things are progressing. We really enjoy spending time

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Speaker 1: happy for him. She was still going through a divorce,

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Speaker 2: But things didn't last.

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Speaker 1: And then unfortunately, things with Joe got like really heated.

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Speaker 2: Just a few weeks before they disappeared, Danielle and Richard

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Speaker 1: I think they just kind of took the title boyfriend

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Speaker 2: According to Marge, it all had to do with timing.

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Speaker 4: I think she was a couple of weeks away from

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Speaker 4: her husband. I think he moved to Georgia, but then

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Speaker 4: he came back and Richard was fine with me.

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Speaker 2: I asked Danielle's brother John about Danielle ending things with Richard.

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Speaker 6: She had going on on a few dates with Richard

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Speaker 6: and it was through the holidays run Christmas time. He

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Speaker 6: that's for certain, and I know his family would have

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Speaker 6: loved to have seen them together.

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Speaker 2: As John talked, his wife, Jodi looked like she had

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Speaker 2: something to say about Richard, so I asked her to

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Speaker 8: So not much was ever really said about him from her,

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Speaker 8: and I was just like, oh, you're going to bring

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Speaker 8: him around. She's like, taking it slow because I'm just

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Speaker 8: starting to get things on track with Joe and with

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Speaker 8: so we're just taking things slow. And I was like, okay,

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Speaker 8: that's fine.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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Speaker 8: When you're ready to introduce them to us, like you know,

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Speaker 2: Jody said she only met Richard twice. Both times he

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Speaker 2: or so before Danielle broke things off with him.

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Speaker 8: She handed it with him and said, like, right now,

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Speaker 8: I don't want to be with anyone.

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Speaker 2: Jody said she wanted to be clear. It wasn't that

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Speaker 2: she didn't like Richard. She said she barely knew him.

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Speaker 8: Whenever you listened to the news, it's always Danielle and

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Speaker 8: her boyfriend, Richard Patron. They were not boyfriend and girlfriend

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Speaker 8: were not They didn't date enough and go out enough

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Speaker 8: to be boyfriend and girlfriend.

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Speaker 6: The Patron family likes to portray them as this loving

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Speaker 6: couple that we're getting ready to get married, and everything

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Speaker 6: was peaches and cream. But the fact is they hadn't

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Speaker 2: All right, So just to make sure we're all on

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Speaker 2: the same page here. Richard's family said Danielle and Richard

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Speaker 2: were a couple, but Danielle's family said they weren't. All

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Speaker 2: labels aside. We do know that they started seeing each

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Speaker 2: called things off around the end of January early February.

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Speaker 6: Danielle had made a conscious decision to move forward and

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Speaker 6: just concentrate on her son. She wasn't getting back with Joe,

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Speaker 6: she wasn't going to date Richard. She was going to

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Speaker 6: just concentrate on her and her son.

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Speaker 2: Richard's sister, Elisa said her brother was laid back and

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Speaker 2: understood Danielle's position.

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Speaker 4: If you need a break, take your break is how

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Speaker 4: I think he would have taken it.

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Speaker 2: And so did Richard's friend Frank.

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Speaker 4: He was okay with that taking a break because I

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Speaker 4: remember saying, is that what?

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Speaker 1: That's it? Right?

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Speaker 5: And see what happens, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: In Philadelphia, this case is often referred to as the

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Speaker 2: this was a hot button for Danielle and Richard's families.

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Speaker 2: Were they or weren't they? A couple. My colleague Ben

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Speaker 9: There are a few things that families don't see eye

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Speaker 9: to eye on, but this may be the biggest one.

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Speaker 2: The attoberies are saidfast in the fact that they were

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Speaker 2: not a couple, they were boyfriend and girlfriend, and then

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Speaker 2: the patrons feel strongly that they were in a relationship.

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Speaker 9: I think back to Danielle's conversation with her brother John,

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Speaker 9: where as it related to Joe. She opened up and said,

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Speaker 9: if I take him back, are you ever going to

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Speaker 9: even look at him the same way?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: My god. So relatable.

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Speaker 9: It's totally relatable, and it's a concern that we know

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Speaker 9: is on her mind, that her decisions she's keenly aware,

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Speaker 9: affect how her family is going to think about her.

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Speaker 2: We know that Danielle had a lot going on in

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Speaker 4: She was.

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Speaker 2: Just on the other side of grieving the loss of

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Speaker 2: her marriage. Right, so she's a few months out of

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Speaker 2: understanding the fact that this relationship is falling apart. My

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Speaker 2: husband cheated on me. She's picking herself up by her

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Speaker 2: bootstraps and getting over it and finally letting her hair

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Speaker 2: down and have a little fun and being open to

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Speaker 2: like interested enough where they're going on dates, they're seeing

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Speaker 9: Were they a couple, were they not a couple. I

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Speaker 9: of what probably is going on, which is it was

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Speaker 9: a little gray, it was muddy, it wasn't clear.

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Speaker 2: I know that are important to every investigation, like hyper

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Speaker 2: about all of the noise about whether they are or

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Speaker 2: they are not a couple. I think they both really

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Speaker 2: cared about each other. I think they both really like

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Speaker 2: and I think that Danielle had a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: I think Richard probably was a lot more emotionally available

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Speaker 2: than Danielle was, just by circumstance, single open, and I

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Speaker 2: think he was more than willing to give her a

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Speaker 2: space when she asked for it. Obviously Danielle was more

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Speaker 2: means that Danielle didn't care about Richard any less. I

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Speaker 2: feel for her because she's interested but also feeling a

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Speaker 2: of this intense divorce. But it just makes me realize

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Speaker 2: that we have so much to talk to Christine about

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Speaker 2: because I feel like she's the one. Like she's Richard's sister,

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Speaker 2: she's Danielle's best friend. She knew what was happening between

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Speaker 2: the two of them and was with Danielle the night

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Speaker 2: like so much of this is going to be cleared

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Speaker 2: up if we ever talked to Christine. We've heard a

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Speaker 2: and Richard's disappearance. Both victims' families agree that Danielle and

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Speaker 2: Richard had been casually dating but broke things off about

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Speaker 2: three weeks before they both went missing, and then on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: February nineteenth, two thousand and five, the two met up.

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Speaker 2: My team tracked down a handful of people who could

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Speaker 2: provide more details about that night, including someone who was

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Speaker 5: It was definitely full house in Abileines that night.

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Speaker 2: That's Anthony Valentino, a longtime friend of Richard's. I feel

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Speaker 2: like I should mention Anthony is a man of few

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Speaker 2: words for a heavy metal guy, He's actually very sweet

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Speaker 2: teared up while talking about Richard. I also noticed how

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Speaker 10: I mean I talked to rich a couple times during

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Speaker 5: Off to Abilene's.

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Speaker 10: Probably didn't even fall all together till like seven or

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Speaker 2: Anthony said it was the first time he and his

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Speaker 5: He said he liked her.

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Speaker 10: You know, I remember like night were effect you know,

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Speaker 10: arm around each other or whennot. I think I seen

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Speaker 2: Anthony described that night as normal and didn't remember anything

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Speaker 2: else noteworthy. He said the four of them just listened

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Speaker 5: Michelle and Danielle they were sitting at the bar.

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Speaker 10: They had a seat, like it was crowded in a

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Speaker 2: Anthony and Richard did a couple shots, and just before

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Speaker 10: We were going to go to see a band at

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Speaker 10: another bar, and they were just like sposedly going back

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Speaker 10: to our house.

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Speaker 2: Danielle's condo was about thirty minutes from Abilene's and Mount Laurel,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey. That's where Anthony believes Danielle and Richard plan

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Speaker 2: to drive.

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Speaker 5: And then we just say goodbye.

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Speaker 10: Me and rich hugged and he left, disappeared out the

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Anthony didn't see what direction Danielle and Richard headed,

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Speaker 5: That night once that door closed. But I never saw

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Speaker 2: Christine Patron was not only Richard's sister, but one of

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Speaker 2: Danielle's best friends. The two had known each other since

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Speaker 2: high school. Christine was the one who drove Danielle to

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Speaker 2: meet Richard back on February nineteenth, two thousand and five.

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Speaker 2: When we first met the Patrons for Sunday dinner, the

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Speaker 2: conversation kept coming back to where is Christine? Because Christine

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Speaker 2: never showed up.

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Speaker 4: Did you ever both to Christine?

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Speaker 2: Will you just met her?

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Speaker 11: Just and well?

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Speaker 12: Meet and green?

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Speaker 5: Wh you can't talk about it?

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? It's too barn Well

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Speaker 2: what is it?

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'll get Christine to speak to you.

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Speaker 2: She's been reluctant to talk with us, but eventually agreed

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Speaker 2: to a phone call with my colleague Ben.

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Speaker 11: Hello, Hi is this Christine?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 5: Yes it is.

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Speaker 2: Christine told Ben that she had done so many interviews

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Speaker 2: and wasn't really interested in doing another.

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Speaker 11: I just to be honest, A lot of it I

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Speaker 11: felt like in the beginning was you know, news reporters,

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Speaker 11: people trying to get reading. I didn't think it really

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Speaker 11: was helping anything as far as the case went, so

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Speaker 11: it didn't benefit anything for me in that regard.

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Speaker 2: After some back and forth, Christine eventually agreed to talk

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Speaker 2: with us on zoom.

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Speaker 9: Why don't you start by just telling us your name

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Speaker 9: and your relationship.

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Speaker 2: It was a long conversation, so I'll only play a

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Speaker 2: few things that stood out. Christine said, when Danielle moved

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Speaker 2: to New York, they lost touch, but they reconnected right

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Speaker 2: after Danielle married Joe.

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Speaker 12: Later in her pregnancy is when I got the gist

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Speaker 12: that things weren't great with her and Joe. Remember like

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Speaker 12: one conversation, it was at night and he wasn't home,

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Speaker 12: and like he wasn't answer on his phone, and I thought,

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Speaker 12: you're pregnant. Like that was weird to me. I don't

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Speaker 12: know if anybody even told you this book. Her baby

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Speaker 12: was maybe like a month old, and he wanted to

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Speaker 12: go on vacation and Danielle was so upset, Like, I'm

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Speaker 12: sure you want to, sometimes you just.

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Speaker 2: Don't, Christine said. Danielle was devastated when Joe left her

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Speaker 2: for another woman, and a lot of her friends wondered

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Speaker 2: why she even considered getting back with him.

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Speaker 12: No one understood why she even entertained the thought of

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Speaker 12: being with him again, but I did. I think as

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Speaker 12: a mom, you're thinking to your kid, so I understood.

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Speaker 2: Christine couldn't remember when exactly Danielle started dating Richard, but

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Speaker 2: she said she felt like there'd always been chemistry there.

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Speaker 12: I think she always liked him from when we were younger,

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Speaker 12: just like a crush kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: At the time.

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Speaker 12: I don't think he thought anything of her back then,

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Speaker 12: but I think she did.

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Speaker 6: Then.

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Speaker 12: I guess when we got older, and he was interested.

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Speaker 2: It was like, well, when it came time to choosing

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Speaker 2: between Joe and Richard, Christine said she didn't push Danielle

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Speaker 2: one way or the other because she didn't want it

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Speaker 2: to seem like she was favoring her brother.

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Speaker 12: Then I think there was a time where Danielle thought,

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Speaker 12: I don't want to be with either of them. I

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Speaker 12: need to get myself together.

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Speaker 2: I want you to hear a different point of view

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Speaker 2: from one of Danielle's other friends named Jeannette. Jeanette talked

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Speaker 2: with Danielle the day before she disappeared.

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Speaker 13: Danielle's emotions were all over the place from day to day.

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Speaker 13: That's where she was. I think she was just trying

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Speaker 13: to figure things out.

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Speaker 2: What went through your mind when you learn Danielle went

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Speaker 2: out with Richard.

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Speaker 13: It wasn't a planned event that she was going to

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Speaker 13: meet Richard that night, and I know that for a fact.

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Speaker 13: So I was surprised that she went out and even

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Speaker 13: more surprised when she didn't come home.

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Speaker 2: Jeanette said she had plans with Danielle that Saturday, but

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Speaker 2: Danielle canceled.

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Speaker 13: Danielle wanted to go to dinner with her mom and Christine,

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Speaker 13: and we had a phone conversation because I was planning

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Speaker 13: on going over there.

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Speaker 2: Did Danielle ever talk to you about her relationship with Richard?

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Speaker 13: So that's a territory that I kind of want to

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Speaker 13: keep private.

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to leave you with this.

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Speaker 13: I never believed or was told any different that they

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Speaker 13: were a couple. Ever. Richard Patternaum was a shoulder and

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Speaker 13: a friend.

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Speaker 2: Christine has a different take. Ultimately, Christine believes Danielle wanted

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Speaker 2: to be with her brother.

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Speaker 12: I think in her heart she wanted to be with him,

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Speaker 12: but I think it was a struggle take out the

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Speaker 12: kids and the divorce that she would have been with him.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason we're spending so much time on Danielle

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Speaker 2: and Richard's relationship because it will play into what happened next.

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Speaker 12: They dated pretty steadily for a few months, I know,

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Speaker 12: like that fall they were dating. I know Thanksgiving was

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Speaker 12: when Joe was calling Richard at work, like so it

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Speaker 12: was a good couple of months.

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Speaker 2: Wait, why was Joe calling Richard at work?

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Speaker 12: It was like a busy day at the bakery and

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Speaker 12: he kept calling and calling and calling.

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Speaker 2: According to Marge, Joe wasn't calling Richard to place a

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Speaker 2: bakery order.

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Speaker 4: Joe was threatening him with baseball.

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Speaker 2: Bat and said she also knew about the threats Joe

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Speaker 2: made to Richard.

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Speaker 1: I would say it was probably about three weeks before

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Speaker 1: he went missing. He said, he's threatening me, He's messaging me,

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Speaker 1: and it's to the point that I'm scared.

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Speaker 2: FBI agent Peta Roselli was aware of the alleged phone

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Speaker 2: call and threat.

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Speaker 3: We did find in our investigation the work conversations between

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Speaker 3: the two there was at least one explicit phone call exchange.

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Speaker 3: There was reference to a threat made about a baseball bat.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much to put into that, because

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Speaker 3: emotions were high, and when emotions are high, embellishments are made.

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Speaker 3: That could have been an embellishment. That could have been

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Speaker 3: just a misinterpretation of what somebody was told. But I

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Speaker 3: did hear that, yes, And then both Richard's baby's mom,

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Speaker 3: Julie and their daughter Angela, they did mention that Richard said,

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Speaker 3: you know, if anything happened to me, it was the husband,

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Speaker 3: meaning Joe Wimbo.

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Speaker 2: But in June of two thousand and five, Joe denied

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Speaker 2: threatening Richard. He told the Philadelphia Daily News that Richard

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Speaker 2: was the one who threatened him.

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Speaker 1: We all thought that maybe it was going to lead

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Speaker 1: to a confrontational like maybe one day he's actually going

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Speaker 1: to show up to the bakery, and then a few

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Speaker 1: weeks after that he's gone.

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Speaker 2: That's next time on There and Gone. If you have

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Speaker 2: any information about the disappearance of Danielle Imbo and Richard Patron,

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