WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 219 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:02.880 Cool Media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.720 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.680 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.560 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:24.760 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:32.200 Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. Admidst 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.080 attempts by President Trump to seize control of Greenland. Last 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:41.000 month during the World Economic Forum, administration officials started posting 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:45.520 images of a penguin. On January twenty third, the White 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.800 House shared in artificial image of Trump walking hand and 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.279 flipper alongside a penguin holding an American flag across a 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.640 snowy tundra towards mountains bearing the flag of Greenland. The 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:03.040 caption read, Embrace the Penguin. The flags look like poorly 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.759 photoshopped stock images, while the rest of the image appears 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:11.440 to be generated by AI. Immediately, this post sparked ridicule 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.760 across various online platforms based on the fact that there 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:20.560 aren't any penguins in Greenland. Erm Penguins don't live in 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.920 the Northern Hemisphere save for zoos and the Glapcos Islands 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.160 of Ecuador. So haha, the foolish trump has been bested 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:32.720 once again in the arena of facts and logic. Except 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:37.319 this White House penguin post was actually in reference to 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:42.280 a TikTok meme that was currently going super viral. In 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:47.240 mid January, remixed footage from Werner Herzog's Arctic documentary Encounters 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.080 at the End of the World, featuring a lone penguin 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:54.160 breaking off from the flock and marching towards some icy mountains, 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.600 started spreading around TikTok sinked to an organ cover of 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.400 Lemour Tejoure, a song which is adopted by far right 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:10.960 anti immigration groups in Europe the past few years. This 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.760 combination of music and footage soon spread to other short 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.359 form video platforms like Instagram reels, with the featherless subject 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:24.320 being dubbed the Lonely Penguin. On January twentieth, a more 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.840 explicitly political version went kind of viral with over twenty 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.600 thousand likes. With the addition of a Frederick Nietzsche quote, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.040 I know of no better life purpose than to perish 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:39.880 in attempting the great and impossible quote with the caption 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:46.040 save Europe hashtag remigration. That same day, an edit with 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.600 thirty six thousand likes by the TikTok account Epic History 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.079 thirty two, captioned do the Hard Thing played the documentary 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.679 footage with herz Aug Generation overlaid with images of historical 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.919 figures and pop culture characters like Alexander the Great, Caesar, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.080 Joan of Arc, King Richard the First King, Baldwin Fourth 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:11.079 Genghis Khan, Aragorn, John Snow, Luke, Skywalker, and Spider Man. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.680 An op ed in Fox News by the daughter of 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.560 Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy referred to these as quote unquote 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.800 Western heroes. To quote this op ed, in the film, 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.480 Herzog shows a lone penguin peeling away from the safety 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.800 of its colony and heading inland towards certain death according 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.359 to Herzog, But the online right saw something else. Users, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.760 mostly male, saw the penguin as a powerful rebuke of 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.800 secular modernity. They interpreted the penguin not as lost, but 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.760 as a freethinker. To them, he was rejecting the colony. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:50.960 In today's terms, that means rejecting secular postmodern orthodoxy and 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:56.960 marching toward a greater purpose unquote. So though Herzog in 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:01.240 this documentary refers to this penguin as Drain as a meme, 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.440 users identified with the penguin as a symbol of masculine 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:10.160 rebellion against what they view as mainstream culture and the 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.720 solitary trek up the mountains as a metaphor for the 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.400 struggle of the individual greatness. Clips of men on outdoor 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.719 adventures and climbing mountains Zarathustra style with the caption be 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.120 the Penguin spread wildly online, the most popular reaching four 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.880 point two million likes, and other penguin themed videos getting 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:35.280 hundreds of thousands of likes. The Herzog penguin meme piggybacked 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:39.279 and partially merged with an older, right wing penguin based 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.520 meme video from two years ago of a drag queen 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.560 asking a kid about boys wearing makeup. The kid responds 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.960 that boys can't wear makeup, so the drag queen asks 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.680 the kid who told him that, and this confused child 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.919 looks around and sees a cartoon penguin on the wall, 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:00.080 points to it and says that penguin over there one 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:01.760 hundred and eighteen thousand likes. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.440 What do you think about menwear? Who wear makeup? 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:07.200 To boys? 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:08.520 Who said. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.360 The penguin in there? 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:13.600 The penguin. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.320 This video and this figure of the penguin has since 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.680 been used as a symbol for masculine resistance to the 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.839 LGBTQ agenda, and this new penguin meme pertains to tap 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:37.839 into a uniquely masculine urge, as explained by this TikToker 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.000 who racked up forty two thousand likes. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:42.640 I hate to be the one to say it, but 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.800 the penguin didn't make it. But does that mean he 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.200 died in vain? No, his life was not a tragedy. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.279 It was an inspiration. He left a legacy most of 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:54.360 us could. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.960 Only hope for. It would be easy to quote Nietzsche. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.359 Here, but that wouldn't do it justice. The penguin's spoke 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.679 to something inside all of us men, a desire for more, 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.080 to push our limits and see what we're truly made of. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.760 Sometimes our purpose is the impact that we leave behind. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.320 On January twenty third, the Department of War Rapid response 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:19.840 account posted be a Warrior Embrace the penguin with an 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.479 AI generated image of five men wearing the uniform of 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.839 each military branch walking towards the mountains alongside a penguin. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:32.240 Secretary Kennedy posted a Make America Healthy Again edit of 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.599 the penguin meme with the organ music over an AI 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:39.359 video of RFK Junior and a penguin walking to the mountains. 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:44.919 Onscreen text reads the mainstream made us sick. Choose the 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:49.719 healthier path. The Health and Human Services government account quote 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:54.560 tweeted this video with the caption locking in after watching 0:06:54.600 --> 0:07:00.480 that penguin edit unquote, soy occupied government. An anti immigration 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.920 advocacy account created a viral aiimage of a large, evidently 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:09.400 prosperous colony of penguins gathered under the banner of multiculturalism. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.360 It reads that as a giant banner, juxtaposed to a 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:18.400 lone penguin facing the mountains and a sign reading remigration 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:23.320 now across the pond. The London mayoral candidate for the 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:28.200 far right Reform Party in the UK, Lila Cunningham, copied 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.400 Trump's version of the penguin meme with an artificial image 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.280 of her holding hands with a penguin walking towards some 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:39.560 snowy mountains surrounding the Tower Bridge in London. The caption reads, 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.520 choose a new path for London before it's too late. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:49.080 The last penguin post will consider is a video edit 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.120 from the Department of Homeland Security. It starts, like many 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.880 of the viral TikTok and reels videos with footage and 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.880 narration from Herzog's documentary, which I will find play here. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.360 But one of them caught our eye, the one in 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:09.360 the center. He would neither go towards the feeding grounds 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.240 at the edge of the ice nor return to the colony. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.880 Shortly afterwards, we saw him heading straight towards the mountains, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.240 some seventy kilometers away. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.120 Doctor Ainley explained. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.920 That even if he caught him and brought him back 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.240 to the colony, he would immediately head right back for 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:38.440 the mountains. But why. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.600 After the narration cuts out, the music continues as a 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:52.720 fan cam style montage plays Trump, military helicopters, swat style 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.760 home raids, and Icen border patrol arresting people. The video 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:02.160 is captioned Americans have always known why. In response to 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:07.679 Herzog's query, this post from the DHS asserts that part 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.400 of the essence of America is breaking away from the 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:15.920 herd and forging your own path. Those who don't understand 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.040 Trump's desire to control Greenland at the risk of further 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.720 damaging our geopolitical standing just suffer from herd mentality and 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.640 will never be strong enough to take the kind of 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.560 risks that are core to the existence of this country. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.160 On January twenty fourth, the White House posted the penguin 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.480 does not concern himself with the opinions of those who 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:43.320 cannot comprehend. For Trump, Venezuela Greenland imperial expansion is an 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:48.720 existential mission to achieve some mythic frontier greatness, and only 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:54.560 true Americans can understand why. The Fox News penguin op 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.280 ed by Christian nationalist Sean Duffy's daughter, Wow, that's a 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.600 nightmare sentence reads quote for Trump, the penguin is an 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.319 apt symbol for the President's decade long fight against the 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.000 radical left. Everything Trump does is opposed by the global 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:14.040 power brokers. Even the president's pushed to obtain Greenland has 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:19.640 been fanatically opposed by hysterical European elites. America was built 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:24.240 by penguins, and by that I mean rebels, pilgrims, frontier 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.600 men and women, conquistadors and cowboys. We are a nation 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.319 founded by risk takers who left the colony for the mountains. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.840 We are descended from men who suffered and died to 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:41.240 carve civilization out of wilderness. It is our inheritance unquote. Now, 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.960 what this DHS penguin video doesn't include, but has already 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.319 been alluded to by some of the other videos I've played, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.880 is the actual context of this lone bird's journey and 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.920 its sad fate. We will return to discuss penguin insanity 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:01.640 after this ad break. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:13.720 We're back, though. 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.160 The twenty twenty six version of the penguin meme was 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:22.000 dubbed the Lonely Penguin. Earlier meme videos of this documentary 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:26.520 footage from years past carried the titles deranged penguin or 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:31.720 nihilist penguin. Before the footage of this lone Penguin plays. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:36.559 In the documentary, Herzog asks a penguin expert if they 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.640 can experience insanity? 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:44.240 Is there such thing as insanity among penguins? I try 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.240 to avoid the definition of insanity a derangement. I don't 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:52.320 mean that a penguin might believe he was. She's lending 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.760 a Napoleon Bonaparte. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:59.240 But could they just go crazy because they've had enough 0:11:59.360 --> 0:11:59.880 of their. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:08.560 Column Well, I've never seen a penguin bashing his head 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:14.720 against the rock. They do get disoriented, they end up 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.280 in places they shouldn't be, long way from the ocean. 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:24.560 The political invocations of this footage largely ignore ourner Herzog's 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.000 own speculation on why the penguin is marching towards the 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.600 mountains in the far off distance and its inevitable state. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:37.840 One of these disoriented, deranged penguins showed up at the 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.160 New Harbor diving camp, already some eighty kilometers away from 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:48.160 where it should be. And here he's heading off into 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:53.839 the interior of the vast continent with five thousand kilometers 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.960 ahead of him. He's heading towards certain death. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.160 The penguin is not the uber match. The penguin will 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.240 not achieve individual greatness at the summit of the mountain 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.680 because it's never going to get there. As friend of 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.240 the pod Dan Olsen so eloquently put it, the penguin 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.520 is going to die. Though the penguin does not bash 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.160 its head on a rock. This separation from society is 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.000 still an act of suicide. The deranged penguin has literally 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.800 turned its back on food, water, shelter, and the colony 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.920 to die, wandering towards mountains that it will never reach. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.160 The Trump administration's embrace of this suicidal penguin as a 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.440 that's literally me figure is a shockingly open display of 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.720 fascism's relation to the death drive. It's just so naked 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.559 to make your mascot a symbol of suicidal defiance against 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.600 perceived cultural norms. They're doing a first as tragedy, twice 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.800 as farce for fascist death emblems. The Nazis get the skull, 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:03.040 we get a fucking penguin. But the penguin is not 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:08.520 the first modern American suicidal folk hero. The Kildozer rampage 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.080 of public destruction, which ended in the suicide of the perpetrator, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.800 has been a mascot for the libertarian right for over 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:20.120 two decades, and in twenty eighteen, a twenty eight year 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.840 old airport ground service agent named Richard Russell hijacked in 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.520 empty plane at SeaTac to fly over Mount Rainier before 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:34.080 killing himself by purposely crashing the plane, very similar to 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.760 Herzog's deranged penguin. Russell left behind a wife of six years, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:43.120 but became a sort of nihilistic folk hero to overly 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.800 online young men, especially among the online far right on 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.360 places like four Chan and Telegram, where he was dubbed 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:55.760 sky King. Last August, a Congressional Republican from Georgia, Mike Collins, 0:14:55.880 --> 0:15:00.640 who serves on the Republican Transportation Committee, posted a glowing, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.280 multi paragraph memorial for Richard Russell on the anniversary of 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:09.680 his suicide, signing off the message with rest in peace, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:15.800 sky King. But the direct identification of the Trump administration 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:21.520 with a suicidal penguin is a step farther. The fascist 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.400 appetite for death is well understood, but the death drive 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.880 represents a usually subconscious desire to not only harm or 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:35.000 kill others, but ultimately yourself, an attempt to ease the 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.320 tensions driving social life by returning to a prior in 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.960 organic state. This desire can be channeled through the politics 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:49.440 of fascism, which allow for violent, paranoid manifestations of repressed 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:54.120 internal contradictions which attempt to be resolved through death. But 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.720 fascism itself is a contradiction between a primitive war machine 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.440 and a stable state apparatus, and the way that tension 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:07.600 is released is also self destruction. In the second volume 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.600 of Capitalism at Schizophrenia A Thousand Plateaus by philosopher Jills 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.760 Deluze and psychoanalyst Felix Quattaie, they discuss the ways in 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:20.840 which fascism and totalitarianism differ. They write that totalitarianism is 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.960 a state affair made up of material components that over 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:26.240 manage society. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:27.360 Quote. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.720 Even in the case of a military dictatorship, it is 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.880 a state army, not a war machine, that takes power 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:38.280 and elevates the state to the totalitarian stage. Totalitarianism is 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:42.960 quint essentially conservative. Fascism, on the other hand, involves a 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:48.000 war machine. When fascism builds itself a totalitarian state, it 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.480 is not in the sense of a state army taking power, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:56.760 but of a war machine taking over this state unquote. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.440 This analysis from Deluze and Quataree is build holding off 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.480 of an essay by the French writer Paul Verilio called 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:09.879 the Suicidal State, where Verilio argues that in fascism, this 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.960 state is far less totalitarian than it is suicidal. An 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.480 evolution of this state that quote no longer pretends to 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:23.520 be guided internally by reason and progress, but rather non 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:29.120 progress and terror, founded on the repulsion and fear of 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:34.560 all development in this civil domain unquote. This repulsion and 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:38.800 fear were manifested in the accelerated destruction of state institutions 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.960 during the first few months of Trump's second term and 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:47.600 Doge's scorched earth approach to slashing government agencies. Verilio writes 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:52.239 that during the disappearance of public service quote, infrastructures of 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.680 service are reduced as the wire taps of the vermacht 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:03.040 are restored colonial geometry of decolonialization. So as the federal 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:07.080 government rescinds public services, the everyday presence of the federal 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.240 government is reduced to masked armed agents in the streets, 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.000 disappearing our neighbors and shooting civilians, while the president fights 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.840 in court for the ability to deploy the military against 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:23.520 American citizens within our own territory. During the tension of 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:28.760 total war or total peace, Filio says, the system expands 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.879 and reproduces itself, a material process without an end, but 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:37.760 no longer without limits. To quote the Brazilian philosopher of 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:42.239 Vladimir's Fatley the Suicide State quote, is not just a 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.359 manager of death. It is rather the ongoing agent of 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:51.239 its own catastrophe, the maker of its own explosion. To 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:55.280 be more precise, this new state mixes the death management 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.080 of entire sectors of its own population with an ongoing 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:15.160 and risky flirtation with its own self destruction unquote. Verlio's 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.520 idea of the suicidal state emerges as this new mode 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.000 of governing to solve the crisis of post war liberalism 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:27.000 in Germany after World War One, as well as risked 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.400 by the United States after each of our many wars. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:31.560 Quote. 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.120 One of the keys to the present situation is on 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.760 one side, the overly informed status of experts of the system, 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.240 and on the other the underinformed status of all those 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:48.840 who are supposedly thinking outside of it. Verlio says that 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.960 the experts no longer know how to use their hordes 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.200 of information except to gain money and status by continually 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.280 adding to their body of work. Meanwhile, the outsiders produce 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:04.720 the polit and cultural undercurrent of modern folklore and ordinary life. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.560 But this limp dichotomy cannot last for very long on 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.360 its own, so I Verrelia proposes the new emergence of 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.640 a third category of people who make use of information 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:21.000 for an end. The ultimate end the directors of the 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:26.840 suicidal state, while the outsiders, ideologues and artists simply try 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:31.639 to simulate Catharsis quote. By contrast, the third category, the 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.760 suicidal state it self produces a feeling for the real 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.920 better it aims to retain the exclusivity of its production. 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.639 This feeling is a contempt for and hatred of the 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:52.240 every day unquote, to paraphrase Verilio, the fascist project exploits 0:20:52.400 --> 0:21:00.840 man's alienation from his environment through pollution, economic insecurity, emotional insecurity, socialization, 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.280 and seeks to replace any legitimate grievance he has with 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:10.399 society with a more repulsive and expressive force, the fear 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:15.520 of society, which is superimposed on a new military schema 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:21.720 of total war and internal invasion, all towards a nihilistic 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:27.520 end of dropping the bomb on ourselves. The oscillation of 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:32.199 external and internal destruction epitomized by the death Drive is 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:36.280 mirrored by the imperial boomerang, where the violence of colonial 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.520 expansion is forced to return to its homeland. Once home, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:45.920 the drive remains, resulting in a war on society directly 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.280 or through other means. But this is a war on 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.760 its own people. Whereas Trump would say the enemy within, 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.600 to quote a paragraph from a thousand Plateaus, so called 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:02.760 total war scene is less a state undertaking than an 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:07.000 undertaking of a war machine that appropriates the state and 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:11.560 channels it into a flow of absolute war whose only 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:16.400 possible outcome is the suicide of this state itself. There 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:22.119 is in fascism a realized nihilism. Unlike the ttalitarian state, 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:26.680 which does its utmost to seal all possible lines of escape, 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:31.440 Fascism is constructed on an intense line of escape, which 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:35.679 it transforms into a line of pure destruction and abolition. 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.440 It is curious that from the very beginning, the Nazis 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.479 announced to Germany what they were bringing at once wedding 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.440 bells and death, including their own deaths and the death 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.680 of the Germans. They thought they would perish, but that 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:55.160 their undertaking would be resumed all across Europe, all over 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:59.159 the world, throughout the solar system. And the people cheered, 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.640 not because they did not understand, but because they wanted 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:07.680 that death through the death of others. Like a will 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.479 to wager everything, you have every hand to stake your 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:16.639 own death against the death of others. Unquote in a 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:21.160 thousand plateaus, Deluze and Guatai quote an excerpt from Klausman's 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:25.959 nineteen thirty six novel Mefisto, which contains fascist speeches and 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:31.159 ordinary conversations from Nazi Germany. The quote they include is 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.960 eerily similar to the visuals of Trump as the suicidal 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:41.040 penguin quote, heroism was something that was being ruled out 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:45.280 of our lives. In reality, we are not marching forward. 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:50.080 We are reeling, staggering. Our beloved fear is dragging us 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:55.000 toward the shades of darkness and everlasting nothingness. How can 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.840 we poets who have a special affinity for darkness and 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:03.920 lower depths not admire him? Unquote Deluze in Guataye then write, 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:08.760 suicide is presented not as a punishment, but as the 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:13.399 crowning glory of the death of others. The insufficiency of 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:17.119 economic and political definitions of fascism does not simply imply 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.640 a need to tack on vague so called ideological determinations. 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:26.679 We prefer to inquiry into the precise formation of Nazi statements, 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:30.080 which are just as much in evidence in politics and 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:34.880 economics as in the most absurd of conversations. They always 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:39.720 contain the stupid and repugnant cry long Live death. Even 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.320 at the economic level, where the arms expansion replaces growth 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:47.080 in consumption, and where investment veers from the means of 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:53.480 production toward the means of pure destruction unquote. Verilio calls 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:57.080 this a psychosis which governs its entire politics of production, 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:02.240 and he writes that the replacement of the American industries 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:06.080 of the automobile and the cinema with the military industrial 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:11.480 complex quote does not involve a rational, functional, or useful choice, 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:18.600 but rather entirely psychological, or rather psychopathological. It stems from 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:22.960 contempt for an abandonment of productive rapport with the milieu. 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:29.360 Every investment is made to escape from it. For contemporary reference, 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.040 go check out the stock price of Pallantier. And on 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:38.760 the larger economic and international level, Trump's tariffs, his trade wars, 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:42.719 and the self destruction of the United States geopolitical standing 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:48.000 are all expressions of this suicidal state in action. Filio 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:51.760 claims the state of total war, where the economy of 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.640 war has become the economy of peace, is facilitated by 0:25:55.760 --> 0:26:01.119 a transformation in the American sense of freedom, where quote unquote, 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:04.000 the free as a subject as in the Land of 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:08.600 the Free, Quote is no longer properly spoken of as 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:13.040 a citizen. He has an anonymous organism, without culture, without society, 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:18.240 and without memory. This figure has no historical precedent. Assistance 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:24.280 has become survival, non assistance, a condemnation to death. All 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:29.240 liberation henceforth has for him invariably the appearance of death 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:34.760 of the end, suicide or murder unquote. This sort of 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:40.679 freedom from social services, freedom from this state, freedom from assistance, 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.399 as a movement of the death drive, also provides insight 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:48.600 into people's willingness to and even desire to vote against 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:53.120 their own material interests, especially when their political struggle has 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:59.400 turned against society itself. Only in transformation of ordinary social 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.080 life in to the horrific in the minds of the 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:07.680 populace can the fascist Quote find their surest means of governing. 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:12.280 The legitimization of his politics and military strategies, and right 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.480 up to the end, far from weakening the repulsive nature 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:19.000 of his powers, the ruins, the hoarders, the crimes, the 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:24.160 chaos of total war will generally only increase in scope. 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:29.800 In Hitler's nineteen forty five telegram, seventy one, he writes, 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:35.679 if the war is lost, may the nation perish. Here 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:39.640 Hitler decides to join forces with his enemies in order 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:43.960 to complete the destruction of his own people by obliterating 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:47.399 the last remaining sources of its life support system, civil 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.840 reserves of every kind, putable water fuel provisions. This is 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:56.120 the normal outcome of the politics of dialectical retreat from 0:27:56.119 --> 0:28:00.119 the man who had written the idea of protection, haunts 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:08.160 and fulfills life unquote. Fascism hijacks the mechanism of evolutionary 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:13.680 and revolutionary escape and reverts it into a mechanism of destruction. 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:19.199 Instead of resolving crises, it produces constant crisis for it 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:23.959 to feed off of forming as delusion guatris, say, a 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:29.000 war machine instead of resonating in a state apparatus, a 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.880 war machine that no longer had anything but war as 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:36.720 its object and would rather annihilate its own servants than 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:41.560 stop the destruction. To quote a thousand plateaus, this is 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:46.040 war not for conquest or revolution, but war as its 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:50.800 own end. The hollowing out of public institutions and social services, 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:55.560 the divestment from the milieu of life, leads people to 0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:59.680 turn towards the suicidal state as the only force of 0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:04.480 mood movement resting on, as Filio says, quote, the advanced 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:09.720 exploitation of our instincts for death. A new tatalitarian state, 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:15.080 defined by the constant ascent of statistics toward planetary death. 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:19.239 Crime and madness will no longer be the defects. The 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:24.080 madman and the assassin are the legitimate children engendered and 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:29.960 recognized by the suicidal state unquote. And what phenomenon has 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:34.040 risen in the United States the past few years, the conspiracy, 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:37.880 theorist and the assassin. The embrace of total war and 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:42.000 the campaign of civil fear necessitates a break from sanity 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:46.880 and the bizarre strangeness of means that inevitably result in 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:51.560 a self destructive end. Verilio claims there is an insanity 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:56.160 at the heart of the fascist project. The imaginary potential 0:29:56.240 --> 0:30:00.000 of the fascist state arises quote from a finished war 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:04.040 world where insanity has become the goal of order, the 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:09.640 very product of organization unquote. There's a quote from Goebels 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:13.920 to one of his aides, Prince Frederick Christian. The world 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:17.920 in which Hitler moves is a world of absolute fate, 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:24.040 a world in which even success makes no sense. It's 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:26.840 not a mistake that the White House has cast itself 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:31.400 as a lost penguin marching to its own death. They 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:35.160 know the absurdity of their replies. They know the world 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.880 looks upon them as insane. They know that they'll never 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:44.280 reach the make America Great Again mountain. The self destruction ice, 0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:48.840 the tariffs, the broken treaties are not for any greater purpose. 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:54.840 The means are the end. This is total war, the 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:59.120 psychological purpose of which is terror, which for the fascist 0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:04.480 is synonymous with peace. But let's not forget how Hitler 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:16.360 and Goebbels finally resolved their contradictions. 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.920 So Trump is kind of moving like a bull in 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:29.480 a china shop, or rather a bulliner missile shop. You know, 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:34.240 I think that's a more apt analogy. The system of 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:39.360 government wasn't exactly benign beforehand, you know. Yeah, I think 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:41.440 it really needs to click for people that Trump is 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:47.160 not truly exceptional m hm. Rather, he's a product of 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:52.120 the normal that people seem to be uni for. Yeah, 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.600 you know, and the other issues we're dealing with too. 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:55.520 Yeah. 0:31:55.560 --> 0:32:01.320 I think like this is the the crux of what next. Right, 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:06.080 It's like, we have this, like I don't want to 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.080 I don't want to disparage people. We have this tendency 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:13.000 in American politics, this liberal tendency, progressive liberal tendency. Even 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:17.560 to think that like, basically things have been magnificent until 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.000 the first week of November in twenty sixteen, right that 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:23.880 America was progressing on this like linear pathway towards total 0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:27.480 equality and justice for all, and that what's happening now 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.080 is an aberration. It's the idea that there's a few 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.840 individuals conspiring rather than there is a system which inherently 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:35.760 creates interests which were opposed. 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:35.800 To our own. 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:40.160 I guess, yeah, exactly. It's like all of these these 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:45.200 these problems, the genocides, were waging long before Trump came 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:49.360 into power. You know, the economic strains people are feeling 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.640 today that people have been feeling for decades for their 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:56.880 entire lives. You know, the climate crisis that is only 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.280 worse and this time is going on. You know, all 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.200 of this is a problem of that normal, of that 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.160 pre Trump normal. And I still hear people asking, you know, 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.080 when are things going to go back to normal? When 0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:11.400 can we settle down? When will we go back onto 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:15.520 the track of normalcy? And well, if you're listening to 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.760 this podcast, I think you already know what time it is. 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:23.000 This is it could happen here. I'm Andrew Sage and 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:24.080 I'm joined. 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:28.120 By James again here to talk about the new normal. 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:31.880 All right and welcome, thank you. The new normal, the 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:36.160 ever shifting normal, the phantom of normal and why it 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.640 is that it's really not coming back, and why normalcy 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:44.440 as a concept is actually pretty weird. So part of 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.640 I think what feeds into this notion of normal is 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.320 this myth of progress that people are obsessed with. You know, 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.960 recently I read this book Progress by Samuel Miller McDonald 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:57.880 and I would like to do a review of it 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.640 at some point for the podcast. Butt of it is 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.200 it a get into just how pervasive this concept of 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.800 progress is in kind of tripping people up and keeping 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.480 us serving systems that don't serve us. You know, you 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:16.640 mentioned progressives earlier, and you know even that notion I 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:20.040 think of being a progressive. He kind of calls that 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.520 into question in the course of the book, going from 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.600 ancient times to talking about a religious sense of a 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.560 promised land to the sort of modern sense of a 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:36.480 secular or technological progressive improvement or a social progressive improvement. 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.319 He identifies it as a story, and a story that's 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.640 so powerful that it acts like a sedative. You know, 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:46.239 we don't engage with the degree in reality the world 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.640 around us because be wrapped up in this all powerful 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.120 feet were balance of progress or progress is linear, that 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.160 we are ever striving forward, you know, and we point 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:58.960 to examples of things like social progress. But as he 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.080 quotes in the book, it's like what Malcolm X said. 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:04.520 You know, if I stick a knife into you and 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.000 I only pull it out three inches, that's our progress. 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.200 Put it out six inches, that's our progress. Nine inches, 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:14.320 that's a progress progress will be, you know, removing the 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:18.040 knife completely and mending the wound. But I would take 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:20.319 it a step further and say that is it really 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.440 progress to go back to a state that already was? 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:29.480 Is it progress to abolish slavery when there was a 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:34.040 time when slavery did not exist? You know, going back 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:38.920 to a previous default state is not necessarily contributing to 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.560 the nat same thing with patriarchy, you know, patriarchy did 0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:46.040 not always exist. Eroding and abolishing the patriarchy reaching a 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:51.240 point where the limitations placed on women are no longer 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.759 there can we call that progress or is it just 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:58.560 rectifying a previously imposed state? And so these are some 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:02.080 of the questions he grapples with. And there's also, of 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.120 course the techno utopian promise of you know, we can 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.120 in self driving cars any minute, you know, fusion energy 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:12.080 AI and then work forever. You know, all these things 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:16.560 are blind to the social or ecological reality of collapse. 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.239 But where else would you say, might see this myth 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.160 showing up in politics? I think I covered a good few, 0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:23.360 but I might be missing something. 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.680 Yeah, Like, I mean it's almost in everything, right, Like 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.400 it's a fundamental myth of liberal capitalism, I guess. Like 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:36.239 it also underlies a certain logic of colonialism, right, the 0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.920 idea that like progress towards that then a neoliberal state 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:43.480 is this can be like the logic of explicit or 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:48.400 less explicit colonialism, I guess. But like you see it 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.680 there too, right, Like you see it in the sort 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.320 of do you see a lot in nineteenth century, So 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:57.799 it's very explicit the idea to uplift, civilize and christianize 0:36:57.840 --> 0:36:58.960 our little brown brothers. 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.160 Yeah, the civil mission, yeah yeah, yeah. 0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:06.080 They're the white man's burden, and these things that became 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.400 very very on vogue in the late nineteen thirty twentieth century. 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.800 I suppose you see it a lot there too, right. 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.840 Yeah, this whole notion I think that idents really starts 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.799 with the concept of civilization. When you have that civilized 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:23.640 other divide that binary of the civilized and the barbaria, 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:27.080 and or the civilized and the savage, and how that 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:31.680 gets turned into this mission that civilization expands, that you 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:36.280 bring those savage peoples into the fold and you slowly, 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.680 you know, bring them up, make them upright men, and 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:42.839 closer to being human than the state that they were 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:47.400 in previously. And the whole narrative around that is what 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.440 has as it has evolved with time, led to the 0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:51.640 situation a bit in now. 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:53.000 Yeah. 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.759 And there's this idea as well that even when there 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.719 are these ruptures in normal that everything will go back 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.600 to its right place. As of people say, you know, 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:06.879 history is a series of unprecedented things, you know, And 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:10.799 one of the unprecedented things in history that I wish 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.839 people would realize is not ever going to come back 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.319 is that sort of post war economic boom, you know, 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:27.080 that nineteen fifty era growth and excess that has become 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:29.680 the default day that many people are striving to return 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.640 into when in reality, something like that is a historical 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:38.440 normally driven by artificially cheap and abundant energy. Yeah, you know, 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.160 the normal that people are talking about. Sometimes it's just 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:47.400 this fifty to seventy year fossil fuel binge, a binge 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.520 that we are reaching the end of. And I think 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.200 a fantasy to believe that we can replicate for all 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:53.800 the time. 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.239 Right yeah, but it's the time that so much of 0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:00.680 the like the world that we exist in was created, right, 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:05.160 And like people almost see themselves as like a different 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:09.680 species from human beings in the in the nineteenth century, right, Yeah, 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:11.960 they can't conceive of society that way. 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.719 Exactly exactly, And it's something that I've been well on 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:19.800 because like, what a time to be alive to see, 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:24.719 you know, personal cars being so ubiquitous. But the ubiquity 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.560 of personal cars is an aberration. It's a historical laboration. 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.799 It's not one that is likely to be sustainable in 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.800 the long term. You know, even if there are electric 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.520 cars taking a place of gas powered vehicles and we 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.560 run out of gas oil, even the materials in story 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.240 to produce electric cars are not always going to be around. 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.960 They're not always going to exist. We can't supplement each 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:50.000 and every individual person with a car for all of time, 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.480 you know. Yeah, so many of the rare earth minerals 0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:59.080 that are again quite rare, we've we've spent them on 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:03.840 things that that may serve a novelty or an interest 0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.120 in the short term, but it's something that we can 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.279 maintain forever. You know. I hear people talking about this 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.320 EI bubble, you know, and it is in the sense 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:18.600 of the financial markets, the financial aspect of AI and 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.640 how it's affecting our perception of the economy and whether 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:25.880 that bubble is going to boost economically. But I'm more 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.960 interested in the EI bubble in the sense that how 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:33.880 long can this EI everywhere thing persist when the material 0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:37.240 is necessary to maintain it because it is material, despite 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.239 the sort of cloud marketing they get associated with it. 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.320 How long until we run out of those materials, until 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.719 those material needs cannot be sustained. 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:50.120 Yeah, we keep shifting, like the goalposts, but like the terrain, 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.120 right like you know, we okay, well we've run out 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.080 of fossil fuel, so that's fine. We will do electric okay, 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.600 we you know, with the electric actu She relies on 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.840 on rares. So that's fine, We're fine. Different thing to 0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.239 make batteries out of fra other than acknowledging that like 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.080 we've created a system, or we'll just. 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:06.720 Go to space. 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.160 Yeah yeah, yeah, and and trash another planet for another 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.879 few hundred years. You know, when you're driving your track 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:13.880 and you have a lot of stuff in it and 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:15.880 it's hitting the end of the rev counter, you know, 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.239 like you're trying to pass someone, it's bouncing. It's in 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:21.320 the red zone. Like we've been running in the red zone, 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.440 certainly for most of this century, you know, since the 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:26.720 Industrial Revolution, or certainly since the end of the Second 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.920 World War. And like sustainability is a phrase that's been 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.920 co opted, but like it's just not possible to keep 0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:33.359 doing it. 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:38.760 Yeah, I mean, it's really an anomaly, U blipin our timeline, 0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:41.800 I would say, And I think ruptures in that normalcy, 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.440 like the ruptural experience and now provides an opportunity for 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.480 us to you know, take an eggs at ramp to 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:51.760 kind of control the transition, to control our descent. But instead, 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.640 you know, it seems like we were just rapidly moving 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:58.960 towards the more forceful transition the transition made so by 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.160 the laws of physics, and that transition I don't think 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.960 will be nearly as pleasant as it could be. You know. 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.719 That's why a lot of people call it collapse, and 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.040 that transition is being delayed currently, both the collapse of 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:15.360 the material resources and also the collapse of the financial 0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:19.120 economic system. That stuff has been delayed by rent seeking, 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:23.520 by new frontiers or exploitation, and by ramping up theft 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.000 in parts of the world that we're not as pillaged 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.759 as other parts of the world, or ramping up surveillance 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:33.360 and violence to make it harder to resist. But eventually 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.759 is going to hit, you know, and I hate that 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:39.120 it makes me sound like a second comment of Jesus 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.680 conspiracist or something like that, just like well, yeah, it's coming, 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.240 it's coming, you know, like like like I'm a profit 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:51.200 screaming into the into the streets. But you know, it 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:54.440 may not be some kind of prophesiede end times, but 0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.360 we are approaching that point, you know, where that sort 0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:02.080 of narrative of economic growth going back to normal. You know, 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:05.600 there's this big group project of making the literature because 0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.560 that rise and tide will lift all boats. You know, 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.480 there's this story that everybody wins, that nobody will have 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.360 to lose anything because the pie will just keep getting bigger. 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:16.560 It has to come to an end. 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:31.799 It's amazing how long it's lasted, right, Like, certain group 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.400 of society has been able to make the rest of 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:35.720 society believe that the pie will just keep getting bigger 0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:40.640 when the pie has got smaller for most people, you know, 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.200 certainly for the last few decades, but arguably you know, 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:48.280 like lives have become worse for us since the Industrial 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:49.680 Revolution in some ways. 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:55.440 Right exactly. And you know, people will point to improvements 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:59.640 in health and sanitation. Sure, you can have improvements in 0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:04.160 health and sanitation without all this other baggage though, Yeah, 0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:08.720 you know, we can have improvements in literacy without literally 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:15.040 poisoning our fresh water and bleaching our oceans and killing 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:18.239 off biodiversity by the millions of species. 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:22.000 Yeah, it's not a like a package deal, right, Like 0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:27.320 we can have vaccination against diseases without having super fun sites. 0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:30.279 We didn't need one to make the others. It's not 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.680 a like this way or the Dark Ages. 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:38.200 Exactly exactly. For example, all London had to do I mean, 0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:41.440 I'm oversimplifying, but all London had to do was stop 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.560 dumping their sewage in the Thames. 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:49.879 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's a remarkable It's 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:53.239 not that hard. But like just look at the disposal 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:58.160 of hazardous waste and the way that rather than being like, huh, 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:01.960 maybe we should stop making waste, it will be hazardous 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:07.000 for centuries. For the better part of one hundred years, 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.120 we've just been finding somewhere else to put it. 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:11.160 Yeah, just keep just keep dumping it. 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:11.439 Yeah. 0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.680 Even as a child, I was like, what are we 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.160 supposed to do with all these moms in the garbage? Like, like, 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:19.000 are we just going to keep on piling it's up 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:19.960 until we reach the moon? 0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:22.239 I mean, yeah, it's like it in San Diego they 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:24.520 dump these dump it in the bay. There's a whole 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:27.640 part of our bay which used to be a landfill site. 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:31.040 And like I like to to free dive sometimes I 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.200 would be practicing or diving in the bay or whatever, 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.920 and like you dive down and be like, the fuck 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:39.000 is a barbecue grill doing on the bottom of the ocean? 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:43.719 And people just continue to chuck shit into the bay, right, Like, 0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:46.719 even though we have another landfill, what we put it now? 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.560 No, But you see games it's like that barbecue grill 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:55.000 was seven dollars on TMO Yeah, right, you can't pass 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:55.840 up that deal, you know. 0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.440 Yeah yeah, and then when it when it turns out 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.440 to be absolut crap, it will be on our planet 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.600 for longer than any of us. But we've created a 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.000 system where there's no disincentive to buy a t moou 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:10.560 barbecue grill, use it once, and then throw it into 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.120 the bay. And like we can't see that that's a problem. 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.279 Yeah, yeah, because of how this system is set up, 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:18.960 you don't have to think about it. We had a second, 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.640 why is the barbecue grill seven dollars? You know, who 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.880 is suffering so that this barbecue real? For example? 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:28.080 Yeah? Right, because they were so detached from that, right, Like, 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:32.080 despite being so connected, we're also so far away from 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:35.359 the people who the misery is a consequence of our 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:39.000 consumption or of the system which which makes our consumption 0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:41.080 the way it is exactly. 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.759 And you know, instead of thinking about how we can 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:49.920 make society resilient, how we can reasonably and ethically, with 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.920 consideration for seven generations, use the resources that we have, 0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:59.280 and without endless throughput all the years, continue to chase growth, 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:04.960 they continue to progress perpetually like a cancer. Yeah, you know, 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.919 and everybody's seeing the consequences. At this point, the work 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:13.360 situation is getting worse because these platforms, these these employers 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.319 are finding ways to game the label laws. You know, 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:20.200 we're seeing shrinking margins and sit in sectors. Because when 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.120 you rely on growth, when that growth comes to an end, 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.719 there's nowhere else to grow. You have to squeeze what 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.160 there is. What's the phrase squeeze blood out of a stone. Yeah, 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:32.400 you know, you have to force over work. You have 0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:36.120 to and shitify existence services so that you can extract 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:41.000 more subscriptions, more pay months, more upgrades, whatever the case. 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:44.160 Maybe the liverability of entire cities of it has been 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.520 wiped out because you know, you have ABNB and a 0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:52.520 private companies holing out something as basic as hose in 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.400 for all, and so the pressure is to keep the 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.960 whole machine run and just how ways any long term considerations. 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:05.680 I keep saying this normal was never sustainable. I will say, though, 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:08.719 when we criticize the system and we call it out 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.399 and we talk about how these leaders are pushing things 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:16.080 in a certain direction, they are, But at the same time, 0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:20.719 it's easy to fall into this notion that they are 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:24.920 manipulating the whole thing, you know, that they manage the 0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:28.080 system in its entirety. It's tempting to see the system 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.040 as coherent, you know, to act like it's all piloted 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:37.480 by one vidual or group as some wise or malevolent 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:41.399 parental figure. And you know, these institutions, they all rely 0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:46.279 to vary lining degrees under the appearance of competence, right. 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:51.480 But I think what recent times has revealed is that 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:55.280 things are a lot messier than that. That political leaders 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:59.160 know that they don't know, but won't admit that they 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:02.279 don't know, or they don't know that they don't know, 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:06.920 and in either case, they are pretending or believing that 0:49:06.960 --> 0:49:09.880 they have this grip on things that they can anticipate 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.640 and smooth out the shocks to the system. You know, 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:17.480 there are those who think that if they share the 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:20.719 honest truth, that they could trigger a panic into populace. 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.120 So they think they're doing something you know, brave and 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:26.359 benevolent by not giving people all the information they need 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:31.160 and whose yet they failed by sharing all the information 0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:35.200 that needed to make accurate decisions, that they might lose investments, 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:38.239 They might lose investors. You know that the economy will 0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.279 take a hitter as results. That's why you have situations 0:49:41.320 --> 0:49:45.640 where like when the Texas grid field in twenty twenty one, 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:50.320 that the officials were insistent that it was stable and 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:54.000 so they wasn't, you know, Or for the years the 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:56.920 UK is has water, it's what infrastructure is used, it 0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:00.000 continues to claim that thing's under control, and sewage were 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.799 still getting into people's reverse. Yeah you know. 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:07.040 Yeah, Like I think a lot about Flint, Michigan, where 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.480 the water that people have to drink to survive is 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:14.720 killing them. And this has been happening. We've known about 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:19.560 it for a decade, and there have been a series 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.239 of politicians for both parties who have just been like, yeah, no, 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:24.560 don't worry, We've got this cupboard, and like that. We 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:28.240 fundamentally have not got this cupboard right. But the machine 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:31.480 is moving so far so no one person can can 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.279 stop and turn it around because the machine will just 0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:34.000 bulldoze them. 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:39.680 Yep. It's not as steady as and stable as it 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.840 puts forward. You know, in fact that that whole image 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:47.080 of the system as coherent stays stable. I think it 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:51.799 also seems to keep us from defying it. Yeah, you know, 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.040 because we get this sense that yeah, this is this, 0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.960 like this this behema of this all powerful love crafty 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:02.240 and entity that us may have. Individuals come truly challenge 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.279 when there are things that we can do directly to 0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:11.000 throw you know, spokes in the wheel, if that's the expression, No, 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:13.520 it's something in this spooks. 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:17.799 Yeahs Spanner when sticking the spokes maybe right? 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:22.440 Yeah? Sure? Would you say there was like a pit 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:25.800 secular moment when you realize that nobody actually knew what 0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:27.880 they were doing? Though, Yeah, I'm trying. 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:31.200 To think if it was like a momental recognition for 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:34.640 me or like a sort of gradual one. You know. 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:38.160 I think a few of the times, like you see 0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:40.600 it a lot when you travel more, right, because the 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:45.000 perception that, like we are helping here, we've got this 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:48.560 under control. Like I think with immigration it's a great 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.520 example actually, right, Like so I've obviously spent a lot 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:53.799 of time with the immigrants, and I think you see this. 0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:56.839 I remember twenty eighteen we had the migrant caravan, right, 0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.920 Like there have been many migrant caravans, this one was 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.719 just coincided with a mid term in a way that 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:05.799 allowed it to become like a political football, and the 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:08.040 American government is like, we are stopping them at the 0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:11.640 border so we can check if everyone's okay. And government 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:14.160 in Mexico is like, well, we are taking care of them. 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:18.160 And you get there and you're like fuck, like these 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:23.080 people haven't had water today, and like at that point, 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:24.919 you know, I was already sort of predisposed to thinking 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:26.560 that perhaps the state didn't have all the answers, and 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:28.520 like to be clear that Mexican states a lot more 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:31.440 than the US state in this instance, and provided these 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:33.279 people with a place to be, which it would have 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.400 been much worse if they hadn't had that, But like 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:38.920 it was just this realization. I was with a few friends. 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:41.279 All of us happened at the time to be full 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:46.120 time bicycle people, so we didn't have jobs that needed 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:47.760 us to be like in a place at nine am. 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:51.439 So that realization that like, if these people are going 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:54.600 to get water today, it's going to be because we 0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:58.239 go to Costco and buy all the water bottles and 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:02.560 then we we ride back whilst slowly destroying the suspension 0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:04.880 of this pickup truck we've got so much weight in it, 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.920 and give them out, like because no one else is 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.440 going to right and like there's this whole world of 0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:17.279 NGOs and governments and states and like didn't matter right 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:18.479 this people stidn't have water. 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.520 Yeah, there's a lot of rule for direct action still. 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:23.560 Yeah. 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:27.400 And the part was that be're not as competent as 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.680 they may a first glance appear. In other words, if 0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:34.520 they say they have everything under control, don't believe them. 0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:44.239 Yeah. 0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:50.080 I think also that instability within this system is part 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:52.560 of it, you know, it's part of how it works. 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.279 It's part of what's necessary for it to keep going. 0:53:56.280 --> 0:54:00.960 The competitive tune of the capitalist markets, the shifts of 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:05.799 industries that you know upgroove people's lives just part of 0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:09.240 how the system operates. You know, the booms and bus 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:13.560 in real estate, they all always for the powers that 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:16.480 be to expand their wealth in some way, to expand 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:20.239 their regions and territories, and people, for the most part, 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:22.279 just go along with it. You know, daily life is 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.680 complex as it is. Without having to grapple with the 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:29.640 full scale of all the global issues, you know, the 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.319 following the leader, just going along with what they say, 0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:35.520 it does give you some psychological breathing room. You know, 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.840 it's hard to grapple the existential threats that we face. 0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:42.719 I don't have time too in many cases, especially when 0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:48.320 you have an administrative strategy that involves flooding the zone 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:53.080 with so much mess, with so much drama, with so 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:58.880 many different controversies and lies and incidents, that it feels 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:00.600 like the best thing to do is just throw your 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:04.799 hands up and your foot And then I'm speaking both 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.240 from the perspective of what I'm observing in the Chunitian 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:11.840 government and what I'm observing in the American government. But 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:20.120 I see this attitude of our guns, callousness, and corruption. 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:24.560 So I'm not even trying to maintain a veneer of 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:31.399 legitimacy or intelligence or anything like that. Studies go through 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.520 the motions to provide the things that it claims it's 0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:38.520 necessary to provide, you know, but they're feeling that even that, 0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:43.680 and they're so cocky about it. They're so careless about 0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:46.160 it too. So they're smiling in your face and lying 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:50.040 to you. Yeah, people do see what's happening, and they're 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:53.960 responding in a couple of different ways. You know. They panic, 0:55:54.280 --> 0:56:00.239 of course, or they fall into conspiracies, or they deny 0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:04.040 that there is an actual problem. They continue to insist 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.920 that everything is normal, that everything is fine. If they 0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:11.280 double down, they hustle harder, they consume more, they carry 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:15.279 on as if nothing's wrong. And there are those who 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.719 see that something is wrong, but they see everybody else 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.879 carrying on as if everything is fine, and so they 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:24.560 go along as well, you know. Or there are people, 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.160 of course who disengage, who are burnt out to a 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:30.840 numb who are just drifting or going through the emotions. 0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:35.400 But only a portion have turned to challenge the concept 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.719 of normal itself, whether it is that they're experimenting with 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:46.640 simpler living, developing some program for survival, some strategy either 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:51.120 for themselves, for their household, of their community, engaging mutual support. 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:54.640 And of course this is only a portion of the 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:58.440 population because many of us, like fishing water, you know, 0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:03.320 we can't really recognize the socioeconomic structure that we are within. 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:07.279 It's hard to recognize what you are immersed in as 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:11.240 a thing itself, and so really in seeing and reading 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:14.680 about alternatives that you can get a glimpse of this 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:19.000 normalcy and question to realize that this system isn't natural 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:23.040 or inevitable. There's an aberration destined to decline no matter 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:26.440 how much we want to believe otherwise that the script 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:30.200 of work, in consuming career, in accumulating property in all 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:34.440 is unnormal. That is actually kind of weird, you know, like, 0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:38.960 it's strange that an entire society is dependent upon globe 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:43.360 spanning supply chains, volatile markets, and oriented entirely around the 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:48.720 quarterly evenens of elites. You know, it's strange that whiteness, maleness, cis, 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:53.160 heteronous evilness are treated as the default, the starter kit, 0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:56.240 even though only a fraction of humanity fits in any 0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:59.280 one of those molds, let alone the combination of all 0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:01.640 of the You know, it's strange that normal is so 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:06.800 narrowly conformist with those who don't conform a marginalized It's 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:12.000 strange that normal means an illusion of independence, the disguises 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:15.240 the webs. You will always rely on that. You can 0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:18.160 claim to be independent and say, yeah, well I just 0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:22.040 bought that seven dollar grill of TMU, and not think 0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:25.520 about the the well of relationships that brought that seven 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:31.200 dollar grill to your doorstep and eventually to the landfill. 0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:34.680 You get to feel self sufficient while the system hides 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:38.400 the label the ecosystems logistics, and the people hold them up. 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:41.720 I'm just thinking now about like people whose whole thing 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:46.680 is being like homesteaders, but their homesteading is in itself 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:50.320 a performance for the global supply or like the global 0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:54.440 market for distracting or entertainment or whatever you want to 0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:59.080 call it, right Like, and they do not exist outside 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:01.160 of those supply chains, but like they are doing this 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:06.760 performance of of like independence because they are so codependent, 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:10.640 right Like, like they exist to generate like a revenue 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:14.680 or affiliate links or however influences make money, sponsorships. 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:17.560 Oh yeah, it's like one of the influencers. Yeah. 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:18.080 Yeah. 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.440 Like there's a guy who I remember like a year 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:24.440 ago am because I'm like, I know, broken inside. I 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.480 had gotten to an argument with someone on x dot com. 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:31.120 Oh yeah, this guy was like posing as a homesteader, 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:33.360 and like, you know, I grew up on a farm, right, 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.680 Like I've I spent lots of my life around like 0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:42.240 domestic animals and around domestic like I know how to 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:43.840 fix things, I know what tools look like when you 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:46.400 use them, and like this guy was very clearly just 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:49.760 posing and posing a series of photos. It just really 0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:52.400 like I don't know why that particularly threw me for 0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:54.720 a loop, right, But like the idea that this guy 0:59:54.800 --> 1:00:00.000 is performing performing independence for a system he himself is reinforced. 1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:03.560 It was just such a strange thing to understand. 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:05.920 Yeah, a system means dependent on. 1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:08.880 Yeah, exactly, a system he's entirely dependent on, like more 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:11.720 so than most of us even, right, Like, he makes 1:00:12.560 --> 1:00:15.720 nothing other than photographs so that people look at on 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:19.200 their phones. Like, he makes no tangible product, Like at 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:21.640 least if you're a you know, you could be a 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:24.360 cabinet maker, right, and yeah, you install kitchens for each people, 1:00:24.360 --> 1:00:26.320 but you know how to make things with your hands. 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:30.479 This guy just gets, you know, a saw that looks 1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:32.520 like I hadn't been used since he had Wardian era 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:36.240 and stands around for photos next to a log in 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:39.160 the same breath. I guess that I condemn that. I 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:42.240 feel like the way that we deal with the end 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:45.280 of this, it's the same way that we help each 1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:48.600 other get through the middle of this and the and 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:51.880 the collapse of it. Right, Like, I've seen people do 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:57.560 mutual aid with such scarce resources and manage to make 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:02.160 such amazing things, both in terms of like physical objects 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:05.920 and in terms of like these beautiful things we do 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:10.560 for each other. We're so little and like the ingenuity 1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:13.439 that's still there. It's not like people have forgotten how 1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:18.960 to exist without temu, right, but we just haven't created 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:21.480 a way a situation where we have to and in 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:25.480 mutual aid spaces. I sometimes feel like we already have 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:29.120 the solution to this, which is to depend on and 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:33.280 care for each other. It's just that we need that 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:38.680 to be the way we do everything, not just some. 1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:43.880 Stuff exactly exactly. You know, the whole homestead and fantasy 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:49.840 is very comforting illusion and fiction in my view, because 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:53.440 if we're talking about going back to the land, people 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:55.360 who live on the land, who live off of the land, 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:58.840 they did so in community. Yeah, you know, very very 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:03.120 very very rarely did someone live entirely by themselves without 1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:07.520 contact and anyone else. Because you can't be an axe 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:12.000 maker and a carpenter and a cook and you know, 1:02:12.600 --> 1:02:14.960 a farmer and a hood and all these different things, 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.920 all of these different roles, a medicine maker, all these 1:02:17.920 --> 1:02:20.680 different things at the same time. That is why we 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:25.040 as a species have survived and succeeded, because we are 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:29.640 able to share our skills with others and you know, 1:02:29.840 --> 1:02:33.200 collectively accomplish more than the summer of our parts. 1:02:33.360 --> 1:02:37.160 Yeah, it's a fantasy. I was recently in a place 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:40.720 called Chako Kanyon. I don't know if you've if you're 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:43.720 familiar with Chako Kanyon at all, No, but there's this 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:47.919 idea I think that like pre the arrival of capitalism, 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:52.160 that's how Indigenous people lived. And it's just not like like, yeah, 1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:55.680 this was a large, thriving communitium. I'm interested in Chako 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:58.560 Kanyon because I'm interested in what you're talking about, like 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:02.480 a society which consume at an unsustainable level and then 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:03.680 collapsed and what came. 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:04.280 Out of it. 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:06.320 But what came out of it is what kept the 1:03:06.400 --> 1:03:08.960 working class people in that society of life throughout it, 1:03:09.000 --> 1:03:12.520 which is helping each other, right, Like yeah, sure people 1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:15.200 have these little plots where they grew grain, but also 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.760 like by doing their ceremonies, by coming together in community, 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:21.680 they had something which could sustain them even when the 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:27.640 economic reality completely changed for them. And it's like it's 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:29.840 that part that people forget, right that they think they 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:33.680 can Yeah, they think they can grow their own food. 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:36.400 Yeah you can, But when you need a new plow, 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:38.080 what are you going to do? You're going to buy 1:03:38.080 --> 1:03:41.360 a forge on TMU, you know, like it's so detached 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:45.160 from the way anyone has ever lived. 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:52.040 Yeah, it is, and it kind of lasts, and me perstatly, 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:56.040 I would rather not wait until supply chains break down 1:03:56.160 --> 1:04:00.760 completely and stones wipe the sleep and out's cut all 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:04.200 communication none. I would rather wait for those things to 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:09.080 create and sustain those networks of dependence, networks of interdependent 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:15.080 so it's local networks of aid and cultural practice and 1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:19.320 you know, meeting of mutual needs. There's a saying that 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:23.440 the sort of hustle bros would say that your network 1:04:23.480 --> 1:04:26.400 is your net worth, and to that I must concur 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:30.360 you know, the community support and the share resources. They're 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:32.800 going to matter a lot more than your personal purchase 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:37.720 and power. Being part of something is emotionally easier than 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:41.000 carrying everything alone. The matter now and the matter even 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:44.960 more in the future, as crisis makes the invisible all 1:04:45.160 --> 1:04:49.400 too visible. The normal that we remember is an illusion, 1:04:49.960 --> 1:04:53.840 but once you've seen it, you can't unsee. I think 1:04:54.520 --> 1:04:59.560 the departure from normal is an opportunity or chance to 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:02.920 make something battle, to be adaptable to the shocks that 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:06.240 come with courage and with clarity, and I hope that 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:09.560 this conversation is able to put towards when I'm sure 1:05:09.800 --> 1:05:13.520 that I'm not alone in feeling. That's all for me today, 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:16.000 all about what to old people. Peace. 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:33.400 Hi friends, and welcome to the show. It's me James today, 1:05:33.560 --> 1:05:36.000 and I'm very lucky to be joined by Sam Hamilton, 1:05:36.040 --> 1:05:39.680 who is the senior litigation staff attorney at Asian Americans 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:41.400 Advancing Justice Atlanta. 1:05:41.720 --> 1:05:43.920 Hi Sam, Hi James, Thanks for having me. 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:48.200 Yeah, thanks for joining us. And we are gathered here 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:54.880 today to talk about the new proposals that DHS has 1:05:54.960 --> 1:06:02.040 to detain people in literal warehouses. Right, if people aren't familiar, 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:06.000 maybe you could die out by explaining what those proposals 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:08.560 are and how they specifically relate to the areas where 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:09.800 you're organizing in Atlanta. 1:06:10.600 --> 1:06:16.080 Sure So, Around December of twenty twenty five, a journalist 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:21.600 leaked a list of about twenty different cities across the 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:28.480 country where ICE was intending to open new detention facilities 1:06:28.560 --> 1:06:34.160 in warehouses specifically. And this list contained the names of 1:06:34.200 --> 1:06:40.320 the cities and the expected or projected occupancy of each 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:45.400 of these facilities. And so I live here in Atlanta, Georgia, 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:53.400 and there were two cities on that list with warehouses contemplated. 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:55.720 One is located. 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:59.680 In the city of Flowery Branch, where the warehouse there 1:06:59.880 --> 1:07:02.840 is is intended to detain up to one thousand, five 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:05.920 hundred people. And the other is in the city of 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:11.880 Social Circle, Georgia, where ICE intends to use a warehouse 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:16.520 that is over one million square feet to detain about 1:07:16.560 --> 1:07:18.080 eight five hundred people. 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:23.600 That's vast, Like I think that this would dwarf the 1:07:23.640 --> 1:07:26.600 capacity of any Like I'm trying to think if there 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:28.960 are maybe prisons sort of bigger than that. I don't know, 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:31.800 but like in immigration terms, I don't think there is anything. 1:07:32.840 --> 1:07:35.720 Yeah, I mean, you know, So for the last four 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:38.760 years or so, I've worked I've worked on various different 1:07:38.800 --> 1:07:43.439 shutdown ICE campaigns here in Georgia, and for the last 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:45.760 four years I've been working with the campaign to shut 1:07:45.800 --> 1:07:49.720 down the Folkston Ice Processing Center, which is an ice 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:52.920 facility in South Georgia pretty close to Florida, but it's 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:57.600 about a five hour drive from Atlanta, and that ended 1:07:57.680 --> 1:08:02.520 up expanding lasts summer. But the number of beds at 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:05.440 that facility was projected to be around three thousand, and 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:09.200 at the time that was going to be the largest 1:08:09.680 --> 1:08:12.760 ice attention facility in the country. So to jump from 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:18.200 three thousand to eighty five hundred is yeah, it's massive, obviously. 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:22.400 Yeah. I mean people wanted to like it's not fascism enough. 1:08:22.479 --> 1:08:25.559 It comes from the Fascio Rain area of Italy, right, 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:30.240 otherwise it's like sparkling authoritarianism or whatever. But like unless 1:08:30.280 --> 1:08:34.120 you're looking for like a gate with our Beckmark Fry 1:08:34.200 --> 1:08:37.200 on it or whatever, like these are concentration camps. Like 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:40.120 that is what this is. It was really interesting in 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:43.479 twenty twenty three we had out the outdoor attention under 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:47.200 the Biden administration, and like we didn't really have much 1:08:47.240 --> 1:08:50.240 coverage in the US media when we were participating in 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:53.160 mutual aid there, but we'd had a lot from non 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:56.120 US media, like folks from Japan and Singapore and Italy, 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:58.360 and they'd just come and be like, oh, yeah, it's 1:08:58.400 --> 1:09:00.160 a concentration camp. And then they'd write the story and 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:03.240 be like these concentration camps. And I think I would 1:09:03.280 --> 1:09:05.760 never have got that past an editor in LA or 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:08.760 New York. To them, it seems so self evident. Now 1:09:08.800 --> 1:09:10.960 we're just doing it on an even bigger scale. I 1:09:10.960 --> 1:09:16.040 guess it's it's terrible. It's the ship. So I know 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:20.680 you've been organizing in social circle specifically, right or part 1:09:20.720 --> 1:09:22.400 of an organizing group, I should say that it's been 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:25.320 opposing this detention center. So I think it'll be really 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:27.519 instructive to people because either are all of these are 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:29.719 going to be all over the country, and this won't 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:32.760 be the only expansion of immigration detention we see in 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:35.320 the next few years. I imagine, given the massive budget 1:09:35.320 --> 1:09:38.080 and the priorities to the administration, can you explain a 1:09:38.080 --> 1:09:40.640 little bit about like how that campaign got started and 1:09:40.680 --> 1:09:43.040 then like the nuts and bolts of how this is 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:43.760 being opposed. 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:47.599 Yeah, So before I get into that, I think providing 1:09:47.640 --> 1:09:52.320 some context on who the social circle community is it 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:55.000 will be, you know, would be instructive. So it's a 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:58.559 pretty small it's a very small city. It's got a 1:09:58.600 --> 1:10:06.599 population of about five thousand people, overwhelmingly Republican, overwhelmingly white, 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:11.400 and pretty wealthy, Okay, And it's about an. 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:14.520 Hour drive outside of Atlanta. 1:10:15.040 --> 1:10:20.040 And in December of twenty twenty five, a news article 1:10:20.479 --> 1:10:24.000 was published in the Washington Post announcing, you know, the 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:26.360 list of the twenty cities where these warehouses would be 1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:29.880 would be popping up. And it was that article that 1:10:30.280 --> 1:10:35.479 told the residents of Social Circle and the elected officials 1:10:35.479 --> 1:10:39.080 of Social Circle for the first time that this ICE 1:10:39.200 --> 1:10:42.920 mega prison was coming to their community. There was no 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:46.760 notice to the city by ICE or anyone in the 1:10:46.800 --> 1:10:51.880 federal government at all, certainly no opportunity to respond, no 1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:53.799 opportunity for public input. 1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:57.760 So they felt really blindsided. 1:10:58.320 --> 1:11:01.799 Yeah, and I'm not this community, and you know, I've 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:03.800 met many of these people only for the first time, 1:11:03.840 --> 1:11:06.120 you know, within the last couple of months. But I 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:08.280 think it would not be so far fetched to say 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:11.680 that some of these people feel, you know, especially the 1:11:11.680 --> 1:11:15.320 ones who identify as Republicans or as you know, conservatives, 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:19.040 I think they feel really betrayed by you know, by 1:11:19.080 --> 1:11:22.599 their government, by their party. Yeah, and so you know, 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:24.679 a lot of these people, I mean I've just described 1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:27.439 the demographic. I think many of them have never been 1:11:27.479 --> 1:11:32.040 involved in organizing of any kind before. Some of them have, 1:11:32.280 --> 1:11:36.479 I think, but I think due to you know, their 1:11:36.520 --> 1:11:40.120 life circumstances, just might not have found themselves in a 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:44.600 place where they've needed to organize for anything. So a 1:11:44.600 --> 1:11:47.759 bunch of these residents got together and have been holding 1:11:48.840 --> 1:11:53.160 you know, in person kind of town hall community meetings, 1:11:53.840 --> 1:11:57.599 and they held one in January where they were about 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:00.960 you know, I think forty to fifty people in the room, 1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:04.080 and they wanted to get together and you know, just 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:08.000 have a public discourse about what could be done. And 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:14.439 I was invited to this meeting because of my history 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:19.519 of involvement with shutdown campaigns here in Georgia. 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:23.360 I got started with shutdown campaigns in. 1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:28.120 Twenty twenty, okay, when a nurse, a whistleblower who worked 1:12:28.160 --> 1:12:31.080 at an immigration detention center here in Georgia called the 1:12:31.080 --> 1:12:34.880 Irwin County Detention Center, alerted the public that there was 1:12:34.920 --> 1:12:39.040 a doctor who was contracting with ICE who had been, 1:12:39.640 --> 1:12:42.920 you know, providing medical services to women detained in this facility. Well, 1:12:42.960 --> 1:12:47.960 he had actually been performing non consensual and medically unnecessary 1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:50.240 medical and gynecological procedures. 1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:50.880 On women in ICE attention. 1:12:51.439 --> 1:12:56.280 Remember this here, Yeah, And when these women spoke out 1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:59.720 about it to their family members, to journalists, to their 1:12:59.800 --> 1:13:03.519 law layers, to members of Congress, our staffers for members 1:13:03.520 --> 1:13:07.000 of Congress, they were retaliated against by being swiftly deported 1:13:07.800 --> 1:13:12.280 and I'm talking put on planes within hours. 1:13:11.360 --> 1:13:14.559 Of speaking to a congressional staffer. 1:13:14.920 --> 1:13:18.080 And at the time, I was working at the University 1:13:18.080 --> 1:13:21.519 of Georgia, School of Laws First Amendment Clinic where we 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:24.920 were providing you know, free legal services to people across 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:28.120 the state, including you know, helping people with getting access 1:13:28.120 --> 1:13:32.680 to public records and suing the police and you know 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:36.080 and federal agents. Yeah, when they were retaliated against. And 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:40.680 so we represented those women. And it was through my 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:45.360 work at Irwin and you know, connecting with the organizers there, 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:48.120 that I got involved with shut down campaigns, or rather 1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:50.800 the shutdown Irwin campaign here in Georgia, and then from 1:13:50.800 --> 1:13:53.439 there later got involved with the shutdown folks in campaigns. 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:57.280 So I had been asked to speak to this group 1:13:57.320 --> 1:14:00.639 of people who I think were new to the immigrants 1:14:00.720 --> 1:14:02.720 rights struggle, to talk about, you know, what it's like 1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:05.559 to try to prevent a detention center from popping up 1:14:05.560 --> 1:14:06.280 in their community. 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:09.400 And because they like, it's not a community that might 1:14:09.720 --> 1:14:12.559 traditionally be demographically the same as the people who we 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:17.040 associate with like microan advocacy, migroan activism. I guess when 1:14:17.080 --> 1:14:21.240 a group like that comes into a moment like this, 1:14:22.560 --> 1:14:25.920 I mean there are some areas of like activism, I 1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:29.000 guess civil society stuff, where like white suburban folks have 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:32.240 some experience, right planning is one of them, right, Like 1:14:32.920 --> 1:14:36.120 the recent bike planes only go north south in San 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:38.760 Diego is because they think that those of us who 1:14:38.760 --> 1:14:41.519 can't afford live by the sea don't deserve to cycle safely. 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:46.800 Like there are many other examples of this. But what 1:14:46.880 --> 1:14:50.280 there were there like thoughts when they when they first met. 1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:52.599 I'm really interested to know that. Like they're obviously upset 1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:55.200 and they feel abandoned and betrayed, but like, how did 1:14:55.240 --> 1:14:58.120 they want to organize to prevent this? 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:02.320 Well, a lot of them were upset about the decrease 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:07.000 in their property value. That was what was really breaking down. Yeah, 1:15:07.080 --> 1:15:09.839 that was that was the redicalizing movement. 1:15:10.680 --> 1:15:11.719 Same with the bike lanes. 1:15:11.720 --> 1:15:16.160 Actually, oh yeah, I bet yeah. And you know, but in. 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:18.160 Addition to the property value stuff, it's also you know, 1:15:18.200 --> 1:15:23.040 the strain that this would impose on their small community. 1:15:23.120 --> 1:15:25.200 I mean, you know a number of the people who. 1:15:25.040 --> 1:15:27.880 Live there might be of you know, well to do means, 1:15:28.000 --> 1:15:32.000 but you know, their city police department employs a total 1:15:32.000 --> 1:15:36.519 of fourteen officers and they have two on duty at 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:39.960 any given time. They have a fire department of you know, 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:44.559 comparably you know, small size, and they have you know, 1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:49.759 water and sewer infrastructure that was built to accommodate about 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:53.479 as many people as live there now, you know, between 1:15:53.479 --> 1:15:58.439 four thousand and five thousand people. And it's that impact 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:02.320 that is also you know, really maddening and activating and 1:16:02.360 --> 1:16:06.920 agitating to people. Those arguments are not new to us 1:16:06.920 --> 1:16:12.320 who have organized in South Georgia and also very red areas, 1:16:12.720 --> 1:16:15.720 a lot more rural and a lot less wealthy. Yeah, 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.880 you know, we'll try to We've canvas door to door 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:22.320 in the city of Folkston to try to ask people 1:16:22.320 --> 1:16:25.720 how do they feel about this mega prison opening up 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:29.760 in their community, and a lot of people, you know, 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:33.840 we're against it, despite the fact government officials might try 1:16:33.840 --> 1:16:37.400 to bill it as you know, an economic boon, you know, 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:40.640 unemployment opportunity. A lot of people said like, hey, I mean, 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:43.800 I don't necessarily want a prison in my backyard, but 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:45.840 if it's bringing jobs, then you know, that's what this 1:16:45.920 --> 1:16:49.839 community needs. That's something that I think makes Social Circle 1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:54.479 distinct from the previous shutdown campaigns I've worked on in 1:16:54.600 --> 1:16:59.760 Irwin County and in Folkston is that this isn't really 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:04.679 an area that is starved for employment or starved for 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:09.320 you know, economic support, Like these people are doing okay. 1:17:10.640 --> 1:17:13.200 And you know, another thing that makes it distinct. 1:17:13.000 --> 1:17:17.160 Is before all of this warehouse business, the vast majority 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:23.360 of facilities in this country are formed through intergovernmental service agreements, 1:17:23.800 --> 1:17:25.960 you know, or iggsa's for short, is the acronym. But 1:17:26.040 --> 1:17:29.760 there are agreements between the federal government and the county, 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:32.840 the local government where the local government says, yes, you 1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:37.080 can use our land or our facilities, and in exchange 1:17:37.160 --> 1:17:39.320 you pay us I mean in the case of folks, 1:17:39.400 --> 1:17:42.200 and it's a comparably measly amount. It's only two hundred 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:46.800 thousand dollars per years. Not much, yeah, even though the 1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:50.160 federal government is giving i mean fifty million dollars a 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:54.160 year to insert your favorite private prison corporation here, you know, 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:55.839 whether it's corcivic or geogroup. 1:17:55.920 --> 1:17:56.719 Yeah, I mean your favorite. 1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:59.719 There are only two, really, yeah, not much of a joice. 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:00.160 Yeah. 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:00.639 Yeah. 1:18:00.680 --> 1:18:04.400 And so typically, like we see this sort of like 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:08.479 co opting and manipulation of the local community and the 1:18:08.520 --> 1:18:11.960 local government by the federal government, you know, coercing them 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:15.160 economically to you know, to take on these detention centers 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:18.840 or else. But here I mean social like I said, 1:18:18.880 --> 1:18:22.280 Social Circle is doing fine. They're not starved for economic investment, 1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:26.240 and I didn't you know, consult them at all. It 1:18:26.320 --> 1:18:28.160 really just like, you know, in the dead of night, 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:31.920 just bought this warehouse from a private company and pushed 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:36.439 this deal through. So those are some aspects that I 1:18:36.479 --> 1:18:39.439 think might throw you know, some of us who might 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:42.320 have been involved in these similar fights before, like for 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:46.439 a loop a little bit, because yeah, there's this assumption 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:50.640 I think by some of the local officials that the 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:53.320 supremacy clause governs here and the federal government can do 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:55.960 whatever it wants. So there's no point in us trying 1:18:56.000 --> 1:19:00.960 to use our local zoning ordinances or what have you 1:19:01.040 --> 1:19:02.760 to try to put a stop to this, because there's 1:19:02.800 --> 1:19:05.360 nothing that we can do, right is at least what 1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:07.000 you know, some people might be. 1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:10.400 Saying, yeah, let's take a break for advertisements. I can't 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:13.000 think of anything mean to say, I know, buy some 1:19:13.040 --> 1:19:16.160 shit this have come from, or don't buy anything you 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:30.960 don't need. Okay, we are back. So you were talking 1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:34.880 about this assumption that the supremacy close would mean that 1:19:35.479 --> 1:19:38.240 the federal government could build a mega prison in a 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:40.800 warehouse in your town without asking you if it could 1:19:40.800 --> 1:19:44.240 do that. First, can you explain, like how people are 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:49.160 able to use, like you said, like various local tools 1:19:49.240 --> 1:19:52.439 to oppose is like you said, it's a huge burden. 1:19:52.439 --> 1:19:55.080 Like when I first read this story, I remember thinking about, like, 1:19:55.200 --> 1:20:00.400 just like the water and sewage demands of housing eight 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:04.920 thousand people would be crippling for the infrastructure in a 1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:08.000 lot of places. So how are people opposing this? 1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:09.200 Well, it's been. 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:13.360 Really inspiring for me to see these local leaders who 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:16.639 again many of whom have you know, never been involved 1:20:16.640 --> 1:20:18.479 in activism we're organizing before. 1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:19.799 They've been very. 1:20:19.600 --> 1:20:25.960 Consistent in holding demonstrations on a weekly basis at the 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:30.800 site of this facility and have garnered the attention of 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:35.120 different media who have come and interviewed them. So that's 1:20:35.120 --> 1:20:36.880 been one way that they've been trying to you know, 1:20:36.920 --> 1:20:40.040 get their message out there. I was just talking about, 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:43.240 you know, the residents who are concerned from you know, 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:46.479 sort of fiscal perspective and are concerned about you know, 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:49.479 their own property values and things like that. But there 1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:51.960 are a fair number of people who are concerned about 1:20:52.240 --> 1:20:58.440 you know, the core human rights abuses and you know sures. 1:20:58.800 --> 1:21:01.400 Some of the line might be well this isn't the 1:21:01.479 --> 1:21:04.360 right place, you know, our city is not the right 1:21:04.360 --> 1:21:08.920 place for a detention center, suggesting, you know, implying that 1:21:08.920 --> 1:21:12.240 there are some places that are suitable for a detention center. 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:13.080 But there are a fair. 1:21:13.000 --> 1:21:16.600 Number of people in this community who who are opposed 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:20.120 to detention centers in general. I mean, they see that 1:21:20.640 --> 1:21:24.360 they see the violence that ICE is inflicting in broad 1:21:24.439 --> 1:21:28.720 daylight on public streets, and I think they're they're horrified, 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:33.240 and they don't want to be complicit in in something 1:21:33.280 --> 1:21:36.720 like that, you know, coming to their community. And I 1:21:36.720 --> 1:21:39.960 do think that along the way, I'm seeing more of 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:44.840 a shift in the consciousness or at least an openness 1:21:44.880 --> 1:21:51.800 to understanding the different influences that bring us to the 1:21:51.880 --> 1:21:53.040 same table. 1:21:54.160 --> 1:21:56.000 Yeah, it is. It has been very cool. 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:59.400 Yeah, and we can agree that you know, we're not 1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:02.680 going to have one hundred percent unity of ideas, but 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:06.200 we can have a unity of action, and you know, 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:09.760 we can save these debates on you know, I mean, 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:14.800 whether someone is illegal or not, but you know, we 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:17.960 can continue to have them along the way, as we 1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:22.160 are also identifying the very concrete ways that we can 1:22:22.200 --> 1:22:22.799 work together. 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:25.000 And I'm thinking of one, for example. 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:29.839 I work pretty closely with some staffers for different members 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:33.320 of Congress I mean in terms of like uplifting you know, 1:22:33.400 --> 1:22:36.000 human rights and civil rights abuses that we see in 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:39.720 detention centers, because as part of my job, I go 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:45.040 inside detention centers, immigration detention centers in Georgia pretty frequently, 1:22:45.560 --> 1:22:50.720 also federal prisons, and we'll meet with people and learn 1:22:50.720 --> 1:22:54.519 about the conditions that they're facing and will you know, 1:22:54.600 --> 1:22:57.720 fight for them to get released and also share what 1:22:57.840 --> 1:23:01.000 I learned from them with you know, different members of Congress, 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:05.800 and most of our connections are with people who are 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:08.960 aligned with the Democratic Party, you know, I mean to 1:23:09.040 --> 1:23:13.840 be to be frank, you know, I've never initiated correspondents 1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:16.120 with a Republican but I think I kind of just 1:23:16.160 --> 1:23:18.720 assumed that they wouldn't want to that I wouldn't get 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:20.840 anywhere with them, or that they wouldn't you know, that they. 1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:21.519 Wouldn't talk to me. 1:23:22.040 --> 1:23:27.000 But what's been effective in working with this coalition of 1:23:27.200 --> 1:23:29.439 residents is some of these people, I mean, yeah, like 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:32.840 they I you know, they've been card caring Republicans for 1:23:33.520 --> 1:23:36.599 a long time and feel that they you know, can 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:41.639 wield influence over you know, certain Republican elected officials and 1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:44.040 and one of them, you know, I mean, well, I 1:23:44.400 --> 1:23:47.200 don't know how many of them, but a number of 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:52.240 these local residents have gotten Republican, you know, Mike Collins 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:54.960 to come out against this ice facility. 1:23:55.479 --> 1:23:58.280 Yeah, that's especially right now in the Republican party and 1:23:58.439 --> 1:24:01.800 like that that could be very difficult for them to do. 1:24:02.200 --> 1:24:04.960 And I sort of once it's not hugely sympathetic to 1:24:04.960 --> 1:24:08.000 Republican politicians, and I would still like to see them 1:24:08.000 --> 1:24:10.639 get better, Like that's we want people to get better, 1:24:10.680 --> 1:24:13.760 that's the whole thing. And like I think for these 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:16.519 people whose politics may not be the same as ours, 1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:21.960 sharing the space, sharing the movement, sharing the struggle, like, 1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:25.200 I hope it makes people better. I hope being exposed 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:28.720 to people who are not of the same background as 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:32.200 you be it like class rise, race wise, politics wise, whatever, 1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:35.320 like makes people realize that things are not quite how 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:37.160 they're presented to them on the television or in the 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:40.640 media they consume totally. So I'm sure that's yeah, Like 1:24:40.680 --> 1:24:44.439 I hope that it's positive. What can like a local 1:24:44.479 --> 1:24:49.080 government do, or even like elected officials do, given that 1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:52.320 the elect officials on a federal level do, Given that, 1:24:53.160 --> 1:24:56.000 I mean, I suggest appears to be operating like without 1:24:56.360 --> 1:24:58.080 a great deal of oversight right now. 1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:03.400 Yeah, I mean with each of these warehouses, there are 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:08.639 different circumstances around each of them. I've been really inspired, 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:14.120 honestly by the folks in Maryland who are dealing with 1:25:14.360 --> 1:25:18.400 a warehouse, maybe multiple warehouses, I'm not sure. Yeah, where 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:20.960 you know, at both the local and the state level, 1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:26.840 they have really pushed for legislation that would effectively, yeah, 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:31.920 I mean, prevent these warehouses from existing at all. It 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:33.799 is a different set of facts than what we're working 1:25:33.800 --> 1:25:38.519 with here in Georgia, because there's more involvement by private actors, 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:40.679 and so the government, you know, the local government can 1:25:40.800 --> 1:25:44.640 can regulate them more. But Maryland is certainly not the 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:48.160 only place where where those fights are happening. And so 1:25:48.960 --> 1:25:52.160 I would really encourage folks to, yeah, to learn from Maryland. 1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:54.840 And I get you know, I'm talking about you know, legislation. 1:25:55.000 --> 1:25:58.800 I mean, I will be the first to tell you 1:25:58.960 --> 1:26:04.120 as a lawyer that I don't think legal tools will 1:26:04.800 --> 1:26:05.599 liberate us. 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:07.639 You know, the law will not make. 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:13.240 Us free, sure, Yeah, And I do think it's it's 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.719 the people power, it's the coming together, it's the mass 1:26:16.760 --> 1:26:21.920 collective action that is, you know, that's what's going to 1:26:22.000 --> 1:26:23.840 do it. And also there are multiple you know, there 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:27.360 are multiple tools and multiplement instruments that we can they 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:30.160 can wield. And so right now, I mean with respect 1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:33.519 to the Social Circle warehouse, ICE is saying that they 1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:38.200 intend to detain people in their starting in April, jeez, 1:26:38.680 --> 1:26:41.759 in less than two months. Yeah, and so right now, 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:46.240 the strategy truly is to use just like every tool 1:26:46.360 --> 1:26:52.000 at our disposal, identifying Yeah, like what legislation can be filed, 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:55.040 what litigation you know, what lawsuits can be filed, what 1:26:55.280 --> 1:26:59.879 you know, demonstrations, what kind of you know, canvassing, door knocking, 1:27:00.160 --> 1:27:02.519 you know, you name it? Like, how can how can 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:06.599 people come together? How can we try to identify which 1:27:07.040 --> 1:27:12.320 companies would be supplying the labor to turn this warehouse 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:18.040 into something, you know, where people will be detained? I 1:27:18.080 --> 1:27:20.400 mean not that not that I think ICE gives a 1:27:20.479 --> 1:27:25.960 damn about making any type of facility habitable for humans. 1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:29.280 But there's gonna be there's gonna be some work that 1:27:29.400 --> 1:27:29.800 needs to. 1:27:29.760 --> 1:27:33.080 Be done in order to you know, turn this you know, 1:27:33.160 --> 1:27:38.479 would be Amazon warehouse into a place for people. And 1:27:39.240 --> 1:27:43.800 is there work that you know, local organizers, because they're organizers. 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:45.720 We're all organ you know, we're all organizers. 1:27:46.280 --> 1:27:50.840 Is there work that local organizers can do to try 1:27:50.840 --> 1:27:55.479 to unite with laborers, with workers who you know might 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:57.679 be working on this facility, to try to like prevent 1:27:57.720 --> 1:28:00.679 them or like city workers, Like can they prevent city 1:28:00.720 --> 1:28:06.160 workers from like actually hooking up this warehouse to the 1:28:06.200 --> 1:28:07.160 city utilities? 1:28:07.800 --> 1:28:11.680 Right? Yeah, yeah, presumably Yeah, that will be a building contractor, right, 1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:15.519 Like they will want to build thousands of cells in 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:19.320 this giant Yeah. The call of that stuff, and especially 1:28:19.360 --> 1:28:23.360 with it happening so quickly, like you know, anything that 1:28:23.400 --> 1:28:27.400 delays that will cause it to at least slow it down. 1:28:27.479 --> 1:28:27.880 I guess. 1:28:28.240 --> 1:28:37.000 Yeah. 1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:40.920 I think another angle that we haven't talked about yet 1:28:41.080 --> 1:28:44.640 is the environmental angle, Like with social circle. You know, 1:28:44.680 --> 1:28:48.960 this is I mean a town of five thousand, it's 1:28:48.960 --> 1:28:52.599 gonna trip. It's gonna nearly triple the number of people 1:28:52.680 --> 1:28:56.400 in this place, and I mean and also triple the 1:28:56.520 --> 1:28:59.800 amount of of waste and sewage that's going to be 1:29:00.000 --> 1:29:01.000 coming out of this place. 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:02.240 I mean, So that's one thing. 1:29:02.280 --> 1:29:05.840 Another thing for people to look at is, you know, 1:29:05.880 --> 1:29:10.960 what would the environmental impact of these warehouses be on 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:12.480 local waterways? 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:13.120 For example? 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:16.519 And that's what you know temporarily put a stop on 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:21.720 the detention facility in the Everglades in Florida, was a 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:25.240 legal challenge in federal court under NIPA, the National Environmental 1:29:25.280 --> 1:29:28.559 Protection Act, because the federal government had failed to conduct 1:29:28.600 --> 1:29:32.920 the proper environmental impact assessments. Yeah, and the only thing 1:29:32.960 --> 1:29:35.640 that they actually really had to do was you know, 1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:37.960 something very procedural and you know, tick a box. 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:42.799 And ultimately the facility ended up moving forward. 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:47.200 But it was a tool to buy time to figure 1:29:47.200 --> 1:29:49.479 out what other types of organizing can we do. 1:29:50.200 --> 1:29:53.439 Yeah, and it's still like even if it's only time, right, 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:55.400 Like harm isn't being done in that time, and it's 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:57.559 still a good thing. Yeah, that makes like a form 1:29:57.560 --> 1:30:00.160 of harm reduction. It reminds me a lot of the 1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:04.200 struggles here against the newer, larger border wall that we've 1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:08.920 seen since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen when Trump got elected. 1:30:09.560 --> 1:30:13.520 Like I'm thinking about how there have been ecological challenges 1:30:13.560 --> 1:30:15.800 to it, there have been social challenges to it. Right. 1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:17.760 The city of San Diego is currently trying to sue 1:30:17.800 --> 1:30:21.639 the fed to trest bus for part of its war construction, which, 1:30:21.720 --> 1:30:23.519 like I'm not a big fan of our city government, 1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:25.679 but like, I'm glad they did that, and all these 1:30:25.720 --> 1:30:30.160 different tools have at least at least in the last 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:33.840 Trump administration. I remember in the late summer at twenty 1:30:33.880 --> 1:30:38.320 twenty being out with some Kumai folks who were in 1:30:38.479 --> 1:30:44.280 ceremony because the war construction was destroying Kumia ancestors right 1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:46.960 who are buried there and then the spaces where they 1:30:46.960 --> 1:30:50.680 are buried, And they ran out the clock on the 1:30:50.680 --> 1:30:54.719 Trump administration. Right by using their rights as indigenous people 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:58.519 to be in ceremony, the refusal of the workers to 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:02.520 literally drive a trucks through the middle of their ceremonial practices, 1:31:03.000 --> 1:31:04.560 they were able to like run the clock out on 1:31:04.560 --> 1:31:07.720 the Trump administration. Unfortunately now we have another one. But 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:11.800 like all those different things had to work together to 1:31:11.920 --> 1:31:14.839 mean that, like in that little part of the border, 1:31:15.240 --> 1:31:21.559 somebody's great great grandparents remains weren't dynamited out of the earth, 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:24.040 and that's still a good thing. Like however we got there, 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:27.680 that's a good thing. Absolutely, it makes me happy to 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:31.080 hear that. Like even folks who might have otherwise been 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:33.599 politically aligned with the project were appalled by this because 1:31:33.640 --> 1:31:37.960 the idea of literally warehousing humans, like it's so fucking bleak, 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:40.680 Like there's these big warehouses where we fulfill them with 1:31:40.720 --> 1:31:43.200 shit that we don't need, and now definitely in with 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:47.320 people that apparently we don't want. Like it's it's one 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:49.600 of the more horrific things that I know. It just 1:31:49.720 --> 1:31:50.960 it's so bleak to me. 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:54.280 Yeah, yeah, I agree, Like the veil has just been 1:31:54.479 --> 1:31:58.960 totally lifted, Like we know that they don't view immigrants 1:31:59.160 --> 1:32:03.360 as human, Yeah, but now they're like not even pretending anymore, 1:32:03.600 --> 1:32:06.639 just truly treating people like chattel. 1:32:07.080 --> 1:32:09.960 Yeah again yeah again right in the same places, yea, 1:32:10.160 --> 1:32:14.320 in this instance, Like, I guess I'm glad that even 1:32:14.360 --> 1:32:17.800 people who are not politically on the same team maybe 1:32:17.960 --> 1:32:21.679 like are opposed to this because it's, uh yeah, it 1:32:21.720 --> 1:32:22.480 is repugnant. 1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:23.680 Yeah. 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:26.439 I guess what if people are hearing about this for 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:28.439 the first time, right, and will include that link to 1:32:28.479 --> 1:32:31.479 the article so people can look up where these locations are, 1:32:31.479 --> 1:32:33.120 if any of them? What advice would you have for 1:32:33.160 --> 1:32:36.800 people if you're listening to this, you click on that link, 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:38.880 you find this one half an hour from your house 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:41.200 or whatever, Like, what advice do you have for those people? 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:48.400 I think if you're already an organizer, regardless of whether 1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:52.559 you've been in the immigrants rights fight or not. 1:32:53.439 --> 1:32:54.400 Now is the time. 1:32:54.200 --> 1:32:58.360 When it really is like all hands on deck, So 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:02.640 don't be afraid to get involved. But also, you know, 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:06.240 like we were talking about before we started, is I 1:33:06.280 --> 1:33:13.960 think guarantee that there is some immigrants rights movement in your. 1:33:14.000 --> 1:33:15.720 Locale or somewhere close by. 1:33:16.680 --> 1:33:20.479 And I think it's just so important to you know, 1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:26.839 approach this work not with the assumption that you are starting, 1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:30.760 you know, launching this new campaign, spearheading this you know, new, 1:33:31.240 --> 1:33:35.479 previously untapped, you know, area of work, because I guarantee 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:37.920 you that you know, there are people who have have 1:33:38.000 --> 1:33:40.960 worked on this before. And so I think connect with 1:33:41.200 --> 1:33:43.880 you know, connect both with people who have been doing 1:33:43.880 --> 1:33:46.640 this work for a long time and also try to 1:33:46.640 --> 1:33:49.719 connect with people who you might not otherwise have thought 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:55.679 to connect with. And I think it's important to call 1:33:55.720 --> 1:34:01.320 out the nimbiism, the not in my backyardism of how, 1:34:01.479 --> 1:34:05.000 you know, some people are coming at this issue because 1:34:05.000 --> 1:34:07.080 they're you know, they're worried about their property value. 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:09.320 But it's also something that we can capitalize on. 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:14.439 Right It's energy and oftentimes it's people with capital and 1:34:14.640 --> 1:34:18.800 connections that you know that you might not otherwise have 1:34:18.920 --> 1:34:24.000 had access to either. So I think you know, the connecting, 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:27.320 you know, and the community organizing needs to go in 1:34:27.479 --> 1:34:31.400 multiple directions. But I do think it's important to move. Yeah, 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:32.599 it's important to move. 1:34:32.439 --> 1:34:37.320 Fast, Yeah seriously, Like that is a very constrained timeline, 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:40.280 like everybody has to be, but that means it's also 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:43.960 important to move respectfully, right, because like, if we just 1:34:44.160 --> 1:34:48.240 blow each other ship up, because yet people assume that 1:34:48.360 --> 1:34:51.200 migrant communities have somehow not been advocating for themselves in 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:55.000 each other for centuries, then we're not going to have 1:34:55.040 --> 1:34:56.960 time to organize because we're going to be dealing with 1:34:57.000 --> 1:35:00.760 that shit. And I've seen that so much just personally, right, 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:05.040 like having been involved for some time in migrant advocacy 1:35:05.080 --> 1:35:08.439 and seeing folks like pop in and tell us how 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:12.400 to do everything. It's tiresome, and I understand that you'll 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:15.559 want to help. But yeah, if this is something that 1:35:15.640 --> 1:35:20.000 like you're organizing around, super easy to find those organizations 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:21.280 to be like how can I help? 1:35:21.640 --> 1:35:22.640 Yeah? 1:35:22.680 --> 1:35:26.120 And it's also such a good like this fight in 1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:33.360 particular is such a good vehicle for fighting for abolition overall. 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:37.439 As someone who's been saying abolish ICE for years. It 1:35:37.560 --> 1:35:42.400 is amazing to see how much traction that phrase has gotten, 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:45.840 especially over the last six months. And we can't just 1:35:45.880 --> 1:35:48.120 be fighting against you know, preventing. 1:35:47.680 --> 1:35:48.680 New ICE facilities. 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:51.960 We need to be fighting for shutting down all ICE 1:35:52.000 --> 1:35:56.680 facilities and for abolishing ICE as an institution. We've been 1:35:56.720 --> 1:36:00.759 around before ICE, and we will be around after ICE. 1:36:01.560 --> 1:36:04.000 As you know, as an agency, ICE has only been 1:36:04.040 --> 1:36:07.519 around since since two thousand and three. Sure there was 1:36:07.680 --> 1:36:10.599 a predecessor, there was the in s, but I mean 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:14.400 it didn't operate in nearly the type of way that 1:36:14.479 --> 1:36:17.360 ICE does now as this you know, law enforcement agency. 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:21.000 And even before Trump, like ICE was still a really 1:36:21.120 --> 1:36:26.000 you know, horrible like horrible yeah, yeah, agency, And so yeah, 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:30.240 I think it's important to continue to you know, point 1:36:30.240 --> 1:36:32.880 these things out while also you know, welcoming people into 1:36:32.920 --> 1:36:33.600 the fight. 1:36:33.520 --> 1:36:36.559 And yeah, and pushing them, pushing them further. 1:36:38.040 --> 1:36:40.880 Yeah, I think that's really it's really important. Like I 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:43.720 think we have to rebut the assumption that this is 1:36:43.760 --> 1:36:47.400 an aberration and we can fix it and go back 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:51.240 to normal, because normal was bad and you just couldn't 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:55.479 see it because it wasn't on your screen, right, like 1:36:56.400 --> 1:36:59.920 children died in outdoor attention and Abiden. I saw people's 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:02.800 suffer immenseally in outdoor attention under Biden, Like, we don't 1:37:02.800 --> 1:37:04.360 want to go back to that either, And I think 1:37:04.360 --> 1:37:06.800 it's really important that when we build these coalitions we 1:37:06.920 --> 1:37:10.639 build them with that in mind. That like, we're organizing 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:13.240 very quickly, but also we're in this for the long haul, 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:17.360 until everybody's free. Is there anything that you'd like to 1:37:17.479 --> 1:37:22.240 leave people with resources or a bit of advice, any 1:37:22.360 --> 1:37:24.440 like closing words you'd like to share with him? 1:37:24.600 --> 1:37:25.320 Abologize? 1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:44.200 That's all I got, perfect, all right, So ladies and gentlemen, 1:37:44.640 --> 1:37:46.480 we're gonna dive in politics. 1:37:46.640 --> 1:37:48.720 Prop This is special for me. 1:37:48.760 --> 1:37:52.879 We're calling this the Art of Petty and the playoff 1:37:52.880 --> 1:37:54.519 words you may or may not know is that Petty 1:37:54.600 --> 1:37:58.240 is actually my last name, and like, like literally government, 1:37:58.280 --> 1:38:00.639 it's my last name. And as a child they used 1:38:00.640 --> 1:38:03.080 to bother me. As a grown up, I'm like, not 1:38:03.360 --> 1:38:10.120 us sounds about right. So what made its start? First 1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:13.320 of all was the bio, says the writer of the 1:38:13.360 --> 1:38:14.439 Pettysburg address. 1:38:16.280 --> 1:38:18.400 Yeah, that's one of the funniest things. 1:38:18.720 --> 1:38:21.160 It makes me mad because it's my last name and 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:23.040 I'm like, why did I not think of that? 1:38:23.840 --> 1:38:28.960 Like, it's so brilliant. Amanda Nelson, Welcome to the show. 1:38:29.040 --> 1:38:30.760 Thank you, thank you so much, and thank you for 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.240 appreciating my ridiculous Abraham Lincoln joke. 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:35.040 It's brilliant. 1:38:35.400 --> 1:38:41.360 I and super producer Ian separately came across your content 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:44.679 like at the same time. I know when I first 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:48.640 hit the follow within a day or two, I was like, 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:50.599 have you heard of there? Have you heard of this president? 1:38:50.600 --> 1:38:52.559 And he just simulated. I was like, dude, I just 1:38:52.600 --> 1:38:55.439 started fall and it's and I think there's a there's 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:59.240 a kindred spirit in the sense of like history being 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:05.679 actually not that difficult to grasp if you just speak 1:39:05.840 --> 1:39:08.040 like a regular ass human you know what I'm saying, 1:39:08.600 --> 1:39:11.800 and politics the same, Like you know, the premise of 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:14.360 the Hall Show is that like if you understand inner 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:16.519 city living, you understand politics. Like if you grew up 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:20.920 in and around our streets, it's really not that different. 1:39:21.080 --> 1:39:24.160 You know, even whether you was like a nerd, you know, 1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:26.960 running as fast as you can to the library, you 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:30.839 still knew I better not go down Seventh Street, because 1:39:31.479 --> 1:39:34.479 like you still know how this works. You know what 1:39:34.479 --> 1:39:37.800 I'm saying, or whether you were completely outside, like you know, 1:39:37.880 --> 1:39:40.960 stilling people's bikes like you get it, you know. So 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:45.960 what we appreciated about what you do is the accessibility 1:39:46.360 --> 1:39:46.680 of it. 1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:49.479 So thank you, thank you, well, thank you. That's that 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:51.800 was the goal from the beginning, especially the you know, 1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:54.519 on Mondays, I do a series called the Whiteboard, which 1:39:54.560 --> 1:39:56.519 is literally just a whiteboard with a bunch of sticky 1:39:56.520 --> 1:39:59.680 notes on it, Yeah, where I track congressional legislation as 1:39:59.720 --> 1:40:01.680 it moved its way through Congress or doesn't, as is 1:40:01.680 --> 1:40:03.600 more often the case. Yeah, And that was one of 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:06.040 the first things I started doing when I started making content, 1:40:06.080 --> 1:40:07.840 and people were so appreciative of it in a way 1:40:07.840 --> 1:40:09.920 I found surprising. I thought people would find it nerdy 1:40:09.920 --> 1:40:13.800 and boring and silly. Yeah, but it's such an unnecessarily 1:40:13.840 --> 1:40:17.479 complicated process and explaining it in ways that people can 1:40:17.520 --> 1:40:19.600 grasp that. There's been a lot of appreciation for it, 1:40:19.640 --> 1:40:20.120 which I love. 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:23.400 Yeah, which leads me to the next question, which would 1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:25.800 be like, Okay, so you're formal training your upbringing, like 1:40:25.840 --> 1:40:27.759 I need to know the origin story of the nerdery, 1:40:28.360 --> 1:40:33.120 but before that, this is the week of the super Bowl, 1:40:33.240 --> 1:40:36.840 So I'm just wondering as a Latina who's not a 1:40:36.880 --> 1:40:39.840 Latina who I just found out an hour ago is 1:40:39.880 --> 1:40:44.440 not a Latino. Have you recovered from Benito's performance? 1:40:45.840 --> 1:40:46.759 I am not a Latino. 1:40:46.840 --> 1:40:48.679 That is true. And I just when I was talking 1:40:48.720 --> 1:40:51.920 about it, when I was talking about it online about 1:40:51.960 --> 1:40:55.400 Bad Bunnies halftime show, I got so many people asking me, wait, 1:40:55.400 --> 1:40:59.439 you're not Latina, so apparently I am presenting, which is nice. Yes, 1:40:59.800 --> 1:41:02.320 I have recovered because after the halftime show, I went 1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:06.240 to bed, so I was in mine. It was such 1:41:06.240 --> 1:41:08.160 a boring game, Like I'm not going to say to her. 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:11.880 Last game was trash, four hours of freaking field goals. 1:41:11.880 --> 1:41:13.160 But then of course I went to bed and it 1:41:13.439 --> 1:41:14.400 gets spiced up a little bit. 1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:17.840 Then it became a game, right, but it didn't matter. Yeah, 1:41:17.880 --> 1:41:19.080 so you're on the East coast. 1:41:18.920 --> 1:41:20.320 Then I am. I'm in Virginia. 1:41:20.439 --> 1:41:24.240 Yep, yeah, no, that's that's absolutely hilarious. We are on 1:41:24.280 --> 1:41:26.679 the West coast, to which the game starts at three pm. 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:29.800 But definitely my wife was like ready to go after that. 1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:32.080 My wife is a first gin Latina and she was 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:34.000 just like, wait, there's more game. 1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:38.800 She's being silly, but yeah, do we have to stay? 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:40.760 We're at my sister in law's house, and she was 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:43.519 just like, uh, we're good unless you want to stay, 1:41:43.560 --> 1:41:46.160 you know, since I'm a Cali native, I'm like, I 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:48.479 really don't care about either of these teams and the 1:41:48.560 --> 1:41:53.400 same yeah, and my I mean down to my Mitochandria, Like, 1:41:53.920 --> 1:41:56.439 I cannot ever cheer for a new England team. 1:41:56.920 --> 1:41:58.080 Yeah, I can't. 1:41:58.240 --> 1:42:02.759 Just the Celtics the boss thing as an la boy, 1:42:03.120 --> 1:42:05.559 I can't anybody remotely close to that. 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:06.560 I just can't cheer for. 1:42:06.800 --> 1:42:10.240 I think I have like twenty ten's PTSD for having 1:42:10.280 --> 1:42:13.839 to constantly listen to the Patriots be off show in everything, 1:42:13.880 --> 1:42:17.000 and so I have an ingrained bias. Also their owners 1:42:17.080 --> 1:42:19.360 like a weird maga dude, and you're weirdo. 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:20.320 Yeah he's weird. 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:23.600 So and Tom Brady is also weird, Like he's a 1:42:23.600 --> 1:42:24.240 weird guy. 1:42:24.120 --> 1:42:25.800 You weird man? Did you see his roast? 1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:26.439 Yes? 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:30.680 Yes? I like, yeah, you weird bro like he is. 1:42:30.960 --> 1:42:34.400 And I can't decide if like Giselle leaving made him 1:42:34.439 --> 1:42:37.880 weirder or if he was weird and she left because 1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:39.120 of that. I can't figure it out. 1:42:39.439 --> 1:42:42.200 I don't care that much, but I honestly that's a 1:42:42.240 --> 1:42:42.719 good thought. 1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:45.719 Man like because I've I've considered that a few times 1:42:45.720 --> 1:42:49.439 because I'm like the level of competitive you have to 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.080 be to be someone like a Tom Brady, like Michael Jordan, 1:42:52.200 --> 1:42:55.800 like Tony Hawk, Like you have to be insufferable if 1:42:55.840 --> 1:43:00.680 with your will and drive to be as good as 1:43:00.720 --> 1:43:03.360 you are. And now, my wife has a PhD in 1:43:03.479 --> 1:43:06.160 ed policy. She's one of the most self driven people 1:43:06.200 --> 1:43:10.600 I know. Even with her just doctoral nerdiness, there's a 1:43:10.720 --> 1:43:14.000 level of like, will you chill like about you know, 1:43:14.200 --> 1:43:17.320 certain stuff. But we're both like we're both nerds, you 1:43:17.320 --> 1:43:18.760 know what I'm saying. So we're both nerds a lot 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:21.839 of ways. But like I can imagine, I can't imagine 1:43:21.880 --> 1:43:25.280 being married to someone where you're just like, can we 1:43:25.320 --> 1:43:28.000 talk about anything anything but this? 1:43:28.400 --> 1:43:28.719 Yes? 1:43:28.960 --> 1:43:29.599 Anything else? 1:43:29.640 --> 1:43:29.840 Yes? 1:43:30.000 --> 1:43:31.680 The answer is no, no. 1:43:32.000 --> 1:43:34.559 Yeah, So okay, so tell me about Okay, formal training 1:43:34.600 --> 1:43:36.680 and upbringing, Like why are you like this? 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:37.439 Why am I? 1:43:38.560 --> 1:43:38.720 Yes? 1:43:39.320 --> 1:43:42.240 Well, I have a history degree and undergraduate history that 1:43:42.360 --> 1:43:44.720 I got. How do I explain why I'm like this? 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:46.040 That's such an interesting question. 1:43:46.479 --> 1:43:47.559 So I was. 1:43:47.640 --> 1:43:52.519 Raised in South by very conservative white people, Okay, and 1:43:52.760 --> 1:43:55.759 I did not understand why I was kind of singled 1:43:55.760 --> 1:43:58.040 out a lot growing up. Like, as we said at 1:43:58.040 --> 1:44:01.080 the beginning, I'm not Latina. My grandmother's from the Philippines, 1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:04.800 and so that was like enough, like enough one dropness 1:44:04.800 --> 1:44:07.720 to make all the white people around you, yeah, like 1:44:07.960 --> 1:44:09.920 very weird. And I didn't get it. And as I 1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:12.160 grew up and I realized more about understood more about 1:44:12.160 --> 1:44:14.599 the South and about Virginia specifically, which is the capital 1:44:14.600 --> 1:44:17.040 of the Confederacy and all that, I got kind of 1:44:17.040 --> 1:44:19.720 obsessed with history, Like why are these people like this? 1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:24.400 So I've always been into history. I got a history degree, 1:44:24.400 --> 1:44:26.320 and then I became you know, I kind of actively 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:29.000 once I got out of my parents' house, to be honest, 1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:31.200 and I'm not conservative anymore. But once I got out 1:44:31.240 --> 1:44:34.080 of my parents' house and discovered like a world of 1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:36.960 active I went to college, which is the case for 1:44:37.080 --> 1:44:38.519 so many kids who grew up in you know, the 1:44:38.600 --> 1:44:41.679 rural South. I went to college, discovered activism and organizing 1:44:41.680 --> 1:44:44.439 and people with different opinions. Yeah, and I don't know, 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:47.240 a whole world opened up for me and I got involved. 1:44:47.240 --> 1:44:49.880 I've been politically involved ever since. I've done all kinds 1:44:49.880 --> 1:44:53.559 of things. I've volunteered for campaigns, I've been a clinic, escort, 1:44:53.400 --> 1:44:56.120 an abortion clinic here in town, all kinds of it. 1:44:56.200 --> 1:44:59.840 But I've worked with the ACLU, so I am like, 1:45:00.240 --> 1:45:03.040 I suppose because my family is strange. 1:45:03.360 --> 1:45:03.880 I respect it. 1:45:03.960 --> 1:45:06.519 Well maybe not strange, maybe just normal for where they're. 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:09.000 From, normal for where they are from. No, I respect that. 1:45:09.200 --> 1:45:13.320 In your defense, the Philippines, y'all are the black and 1:45:13.400 --> 1:45:14.080 Latinos of. 1:45:14.080 --> 1:45:17.480 Asia, Mexicans specific. 1:45:17.960 --> 1:45:20.200 Yeah, you're the Mexicans and the black people. That's what's 1:45:20.240 --> 1:45:22.799 that's what sucks about being what's great about being Filipino? 1:45:22.840 --> 1:45:25.639 Y'all get to be black and Latino and Asian. It's 1:45:25.680 --> 1:45:27.960 not fair. My step mom's from the Philippines, So like, 1:45:28.040 --> 1:45:31.120 I have this affinity because raised by a Filipino woman. Well, 1:45:31.200 --> 1:45:33.240 I was raised by a black woman and a Filipino woman. 1:45:33.960 --> 1:45:34.559 Long story. 1:45:34.720 --> 1:45:37.559 The point is that that makes a lot of sense, dude, 1:45:37.560 --> 1:45:41.280 Like that thing that radicalized you was I'm using radicalized 1:45:41.320 --> 1:45:44.439 as a stand in word, but just exposure, right, Like 1:45:44.880 --> 1:45:48.080 that's super interesting to know that, like not even the 1:45:48.160 --> 1:45:51.639 awareness of because like you said, like you you existed 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:54.599 in this white space and you like, I don't understand 1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:59.519 why y'all exactly? Yeah, yeah, what did I do. It's 1:45:59.560 --> 1:46:02.080 like it's cause you're kind of not You're like, well, 1:46:02.120 --> 1:46:04.120 but yeah, I am right, Like it was it was 1:46:04.160 --> 1:46:06.080 kind of kind of one of those scenarios or like 1:46:06.200 --> 1:46:08.200 or did you kind of like I'm maybe putting a 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:10.439 little more on like you, like you said you weren't 1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:14.400 aware of you you're presenting, but did you did you 1:46:14.479 --> 1:46:17.920 feel sort of culturally that like I. 1:46:18.400 --> 1:46:19.439 Feel like I belong here? 1:46:19.560 --> 1:46:20.120 Is that was? 1:46:20.280 --> 1:46:21.040 Is that true? Yeah? 1:46:21.080 --> 1:46:24.040 I mean I didn't understand. I understood that I looked 1:46:24.080 --> 1:46:26.400 a little bit different than everybody around me. Fine, yeah, 1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:28.680 a little bit not a time, like I'm not you know, 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:31.839 I'm a core a Filipino. Like it's not. I understood 1:46:31.840 --> 1:46:33.640 that I looked a little bit different. I did not 1:46:34.240 --> 1:46:38.280 understand why that mattered word for a really long time. 1:46:38.320 --> 1:46:39.960 And then like the older I got, the more it 1:46:39.960 --> 1:46:41.840 would be, Like I go out into school and the 1:46:41.880 --> 1:46:43.559 sort of racism that I would get would be when 1:46:43.560 --> 1:46:46.559 people mistook me for being Latina or when people mistook 1:46:46.560 --> 1:46:48.280 me for being black. That's when I would get like 1:46:48.360 --> 1:46:51.880 act like really bad. Because where I'm from in Virginia 1:46:51.960 --> 1:46:54.479 Beach is the largest Filipino population on the East Coast, 1:46:54.920 --> 1:46:57.200 so be if Filipinos being around people were kind of 1:46:57.280 --> 1:46:58.960 used to. But it was when people thought that I 1:46:59.080 --> 1:47:02.000 was not just other, but a whole other other, you know, 1:47:02.400 --> 1:47:03.200 than what they were used to. 1:47:03.720 --> 1:47:04.080 And I didn't. 1:47:04.120 --> 1:47:07.040 I didn't understand, like I was born into this household. 1:47:07.160 --> 1:47:11.360 Like we've all watched the same fucking NASCAR races, we 1:47:11.400 --> 1:47:13.920 eat the same talten. I have to listen to your 1:47:13.960 --> 1:47:17.639 stupid ass Rush Limbaugh, So like, why am I different? 1:47:17.880 --> 1:47:18.840 It doesn't make sense to me. 1:47:19.400 --> 1:47:20.440 That's so interesting. 1:47:21.280 --> 1:47:24.639 I love that my undergrad was going to be history, 1:47:24.680 --> 1:47:27.080 but it kind of switched to like intercultural studies. I 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:29.120 was just more interested, a little more like sociology. I 1:47:29.200 --> 1:47:31.800 majored in illustration and because I wanted to do art 1:47:31.840 --> 1:47:34.840 and cultural studies and then did social science for like 1:47:35.160 --> 1:47:37.519 grad school. Mine was a little different in the sense 1:47:37.560 --> 1:47:39.800 that listeners know. But like my father was a My 1:47:39.840 --> 1:47:41.360 father was a black panther, you know what I'm saying. 1:47:41.400 --> 1:47:42.600 And you know, you know, we grew up in the 1:47:42.640 --> 1:47:45.479 space and it wasn't sort of like like you said, 1:47:45.520 --> 1:47:48.880 like this like light bulb was not my experience. My 1:47:48.920 --> 1:47:52.320 experience was like this is necessary for our survival. And 1:47:52.479 --> 1:47:57.519 I think I was more thrown back because which is 1:47:57.600 --> 1:47:59.559 again what I want to get to about, Like kind 1:47:59.560 --> 1:48:01.559 of the way that you present this stuff is like 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:04.880 I feel like this information is available for all of us, 1:48:04.920 --> 1:48:07.760 Like it didn't take a lot of digging. 1:48:08.320 --> 1:48:09.960 For you to like I feel like it was not. 1:48:10.000 --> 1:48:12.519 Really I loved even even you talking about your your 1:48:12.520 --> 1:48:16.560 experience in like working in politics and organizing and volunteering 1:48:16.560 --> 1:48:18.760 where it's like a lot of times we feel like 1:48:18.880 --> 1:48:22.840 the access to entry is much harder than it actually is. 1:48:23.000 --> 1:48:24.599 You could just go there, just. 1:48:24.600 --> 1:48:27.360 Go over there and just be like, yo, can I help, 1:48:27.680 --> 1:48:30.360 and it's really like it really be that easy, you know. 1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:32.080 And people will be so happy to have you. 1:48:32.960 --> 1:48:36.719 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I just feel like especially 1:48:36.760 --> 1:48:39.479 you're You're I'm jumping around, but like you You're Trump's 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:43.439 l's for the week are like, I mean, it's right there, 1:48:43.640 --> 1:48:45.400 like you know what I'm saying, Like he'd just be 1:48:45.600 --> 1:48:46.360 saying I. 1:48:46.280 --> 1:48:48.320 Don't take a lot of work, you know what I'm saying. 1:48:48.400 --> 1:48:51.639 Like, but obviously us as like you know, having formal 1:48:51.680 --> 1:48:54.880 training and research and fact checking and tumble checks, like 1:48:54.920 --> 1:48:57.400 you know, like having the formal training that definitely helps me. 1:48:57.520 --> 1:48:58.040 You know what I'm saying. 1:48:58.080 --> 1:49:00.400 But besides that, sometimes I'll be like, well, this is 1:49:00.720 --> 1:49:02.960 just I mean, this is what he said he was 1:49:03.000 --> 1:49:05.280 going to do, and then it didn't happen. So I'm like, 1:49:05.400 --> 1:49:08.200 that's an l ain't it? Like, I just don't it. 1:49:08.280 --> 1:49:13.120 Don't be that hard. Okay, Now the next question is 1:49:13.120 --> 1:49:15.920 about your sense of humor, so like why are you 1:49:16.000 --> 1:49:16.599 so funny? 1:49:16.720 --> 1:49:19.360 Like what why are you like that? Because I mean, 1:49:21.040 --> 1:49:21.559 I love it. 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:24.439 I'm mean to people you're not supposed to be mean to, Like, 1:49:24.479 --> 1:49:27.680 you know, there's such an Americans let me rephrase this. 1:49:27.920 --> 1:49:31.760 White Americans have such an ingrained, like inherent respect for 1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:34.599 positions of authority, like like the president, Like how can 1:49:34.640 --> 1:49:35.799 you talk shit about the president? 1:49:35.960 --> 1:49:36.160 You know? 1:49:36.640 --> 1:49:37.320 I don't care. 1:49:37.240 --> 1:49:38.799 Because he trash, because he's garment. 1:49:39.040 --> 1:49:42.519 I don't give a shit the color of a rusted 1:49:42.560 --> 1:49:45.760 out worstrop. What do I care? So I have no 1:49:45.880 --> 1:49:49.479 problems being being mean, and I'm mean in ways that 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:53.599 give people like permission to be a little like thrilled 1:49:53.600 --> 1:49:56.880 by it or a little delighted by it. And that provides, 1:49:56.920 --> 1:49:59.400 I think, an entry away for people to learn a 1:49:59.400 --> 1:50:01.920 little bit of I love it. I don't know, America, 1:50:02.080 --> 1:50:05.679 We're not We're not great again, I should clarify white America, specifically, 1:50:05.840 --> 1:50:06.599 especially my people. 1:50:06.840 --> 1:50:09.880 I was like, oh no, man, I ever really yeah, yeah, 1:50:09.880 --> 1:50:10.200 you're right. 1:50:10.280 --> 1:50:12.640 Yeah, Like the people that I speak to are a 1:50:12.680 --> 1:50:15.640 lot of like suburban moms, right, I'm a forty one 1:50:15.720 --> 1:50:19.440 year old mom, and they are not used to middle fingers. 1:50:19.200 --> 1:50:20.080 Up at all. 1:50:20.200 --> 1:50:23.559 Especially Yeah recently, you know, like Biden got an office 1:50:23.560 --> 1:50:26.720 and everybody kind of fell asleep. Yeah, a democratic why 1:50:26.800 --> 1:50:30.599 people fell asleep. So being mean and just pulling out 1:50:30.600 --> 1:50:33.240 some claws. It's both like funny and fun for me, 1:50:33.280 --> 1:50:35.320 but it's also strategic because I do want there to 1:50:35.400 --> 1:50:37.719 be I want to present a permission structure for people 1:50:37.760 --> 1:50:39.960 to start learning to have a bit more backbone. 1:50:40.040 --> 1:50:42.280 I love that. I love that. I love that, Like 1:50:42.320 --> 1:50:44.599 you said, the term you use is permission, and that's 1:50:44.400 --> 1:50:46.439 what I enjoyed. I think that. 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:49.000 Yeah, like knowing that, like you're from the South and 1:50:49.040 --> 1:50:52.800 that like adds even more of a color to what's 1:50:52.840 --> 1:51:05.000 happening here makes me like it even more. Yeah, I 1:51:05.000 --> 1:51:08.240 don't have no second thoughts about dragging a public figure, 1:51:08.320 --> 1:51:10.240 a politician like I. I have no second thoughts about it 1:51:10.320 --> 1:51:13.280 because again, like you asked for this, you know, what 1:51:13.280 --> 1:51:16.800 I'm saying, You signed up for this, you said you 1:51:16.920 --> 1:51:19.840 was gonna be this, Like all right, I'm about to 1:51:19.840 --> 1:51:22.599 get real black, But like there's parts of me that's 1:51:22.680 --> 1:51:26.000 just like, Okay, are you a bitch ass nigga? You 1:51:26.080 --> 1:51:28.720 know what I'm saying, Like, and I'm like, there are 1:51:28.800 --> 1:51:31.120 ways for me to be able to know if you are? 1:51:31.600 --> 1:51:35.000 You presented yourself like you a real one, And I'm like, okay, 1:51:35.040 --> 1:51:40.840 well there's qualifying entry points for me to do that, 1:51:40.920 --> 1:51:43.880 you know what I'm saying, Like we learn I'll respect 1:51:44.320 --> 1:51:48.160 in our culture, you respect your elders for their position 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:52.320 as elders, But do I respect that person as a person. 1:51:53.200 --> 1:51:54.160 No, you gotta earn that. 1:51:54.760 --> 1:51:59.480 But authority figures are different. You're in a corrupt system, 1:52:00.040 --> 1:52:05.040 this system already don't like me, and you're applying for 1:52:05.160 --> 1:52:08.440 a job, and the job you applying for is governance. 1:52:08.560 --> 1:52:11.800 So I'm like, I don't give fuck about you. Like yo, 1:52:11.800 --> 1:52:15.640 I'm saying, like no, but there is something unique. I 1:52:15.640 --> 1:52:23.559 think about your particular intersections as ethnically ambiguous, from the South, 1:52:24.479 --> 1:52:30.360 highly educated, you know, and unfortunately in a patriarchal, misogynistic 1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:35.720 world of female right which I already know greats at 1:52:35.960 --> 1:52:40.920 so much, which I think I appreciate probably the most 1:52:41.040 --> 1:52:44.160 when you have time to like drag a comments or oh, 1:52:44.360 --> 1:52:47.639 like obviously men are not okay, Like we know. 1:52:49.280 --> 1:52:51.360 That ship is sailed, we're not okay. You know what 1:52:51.360 --> 1:52:51.800 I'm saying. 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:54.800 Part of me feels like now this is like as 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:58.720 much as I've evolved in my feminism, and you know, 1:52:58.760 --> 1:53:01.280 I'm the father of two daughters, and you know, I've 1:53:01.320 --> 1:53:04.479 learned to like really not understand how I was the 1:53:04.520 --> 1:53:07.080 problem to become to understand that I'm the problem, you know, 1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:10.040 even in just my ways of communicating, my advocacy stuff 1:53:10.040 --> 1:53:12.280 like that, my blind spots and all that. And I'm with, 1:53:12.520 --> 1:53:14.760 you know what I'm saying, I have nephews. I don't 1:53:14.800 --> 1:53:16.320 have like I said, I don't have sons, but I 1:53:16.320 --> 1:53:20.160 have I have nephews who I've like realized that I 1:53:20.200 --> 1:53:24.000 carried a lot of ways for which I thought I 1:53:24.040 --> 1:53:25.960 was supposed to talk to my daughter versus talking to 1:53:26.000 --> 1:53:27.640 a son, you know I'm saying. And I'm like, and 1:53:27.680 --> 1:53:29.240 I said, well, I'm but talk to my daughter the 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:31.280 way I would talk to my son, you know, and 1:53:31.760 --> 1:53:33.200 just stupid, you know what I'm saying. 1:53:33.240 --> 1:53:35.280 And then but even just being like man. 1:53:35.160 --> 1:53:38.759 Like sometimes my nephew could use like a gentle voice, 1:53:38.800 --> 1:53:41.200 like you know, a man just like him that could 1:53:41.280 --> 1:53:43.240 just be real gentle you know what I'm saying, like bro, 1:53:43.400 --> 1:53:46.080 like man, I'm sorry you sick man. It sucks when 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:47.519 you get your feelings hurt, Like I get it, you 1:53:47.560 --> 1:53:49.120 know what I'm saying, Like being able to be gentle 1:53:49.160 --> 1:53:52.840 with him too. That said, I feel like I come 1:53:52.880 --> 1:53:57.280 from an era where words have consequences. You know, you 1:53:57.360 --> 1:53:59.800 say something to somebody might slap the shit out of you. Yes, 1:54:00.080 --> 1:54:02.920 you know what I'm saying, so like you watch your mouth. 1:54:03.320 --> 1:54:05.200 You know what I'm saying. Be cause like now, granted, I've, 1:54:05.320 --> 1:54:07.439 like I said, I've grown to where that like I 1:54:07.479 --> 1:54:08.880 don't know what the fuck you think you're talking to, 1:54:09.000 --> 1:54:10.680 Like I don't say that no more, you know what 1:54:10.680 --> 1:54:13.960 I'm saying, Where it's just like, okay, I have learned 1:54:14.120 --> 1:54:16.519 that that's not the person I need to be. However, 1:54:17.600 --> 1:54:20.240 I feel like a lot of these young men, especially 1:54:20.320 --> 1:54:24.120 in your comments sections, like they didn't have no big 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:27.320 homies like I did. That would be like, m boy, 1:54:27.320 --> 1:54:29.080 if you don't shut you know what I'm saying, Like 1:54:29.280 --> 1:54:31.680 you know and just being like son, like, yes, so 1:54:31.800 --> 1:54:33.680 you can't just be talking. And I come from a 1:54:33.680 --> 1:54:36.960 city where she might slap the shit at you. Will 1:54:37.040 --> 1:54:38.960 you know what I'm saying. She wills, not just like 1:54:39.400 --> 1:54:40.000 you know what I'm saying. 1:54:40.000 --> 1:54:40.360 I'm saying. 1:54:40.360 --> 1:54:42.640 So I'm like, bro, you can't just be talking. So anyway, 1:54:43.320 --> 1:54:45.840 that's a long preamble to say. I appreciate when you 1:54:45.880 --> 1:54:49.600 take the time to drag a comment, So please tell me, 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:51.560 Please tell me the origins of that. 1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:56.640 Yeah. So I have two sons. Okay, they are twins, 1:54:56.840 --> 1:55:00.120 they'll be fifteen in a few weeks. And I care 1:55:00.160 --> 1:55:01.800 a lot. Actually, I get a lot of shit for 1:55:01.840 --> 1:55:04.760 this from people on the left, from liberals as well, 1:55:04.880 --> 1:55:07.960 especially from women that I care a lot about men, 1:55:08.280 --> 1:55:10.200 and yeah, them not being okay, you know. 1:55:10.240 --> 1:55:12.640 I care, Yeah they're not ok Yeah, because I have two. 1:55:12.440 --> 1:55:14.080 Boys, and I don't want that to be them. I 1:55:14.120 --> 1:55:16.760 see the traps, yeah, that are waiting for them out there, 1:55:17.040 --> 1:55:20.000 that are being placed on purpose for sure by bad actors. 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:24.480 So I want policy and conversations and acceptance and help 1:55:24.800 --> 1:55:26.320 for the men and the boys. 1:55:26.520 --> 1:55:26.800 Yeah. 1:55:26.840 --> 1:55:30.240 And also when it's almost always, you know, like some 1:55:30.400 --> 1:55:33.560 Republican mouth breather who follows a bunch of AI pornbots 1:55:33.760 --> 1:55:35.520 gets into my comments to talk to me some kind 1:55:35.560 --> 1:55:38.160 of way. I decided that I was going to make 1:55:38.200 --> 1:55:40.800 an example of them, because these are people who have 1:55:40.840 --> 1:55:42.200 never experienced a consequence. 1:55:42.880 --> 1:55:44.680 Yes, ever, that's what I like. 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:47.040 If you're a fifty year old white man, you have 1:55:47.200 --> 1:55:49.640 never experienced a consequence for running your mouth. That's what 1:55:49.640 --> 1:55:51.600 I'm saying, and I'm going to be that consequence for you. 1:55:51.440 --> 1:55:53.840 You're welcome, yes, thank you. 1:55:54.160 --> 1:55:58.080 And it just disgusts me because again they're almost always 1:55:58.160 --> 1:56:02.480 following like a bunch of teenage AI bots, you know, 1:56:02.680 --> 1:56:06.440 all of these just yeah, it's completely inappropriate behavior. They 1:56:06.480 --> 1:56:09.240 do not understand the concept of matching energy. They're completely 1:56:09.280 --> 1:56:11.800 shocked when they comment to my comments and give me 1:56:11.840 --> 1:56:14.120 shit and then I match their energy. They're always just 1:56:14.160 --> 1:56:17.920 a gast that like, how dare I? Well you Darren? First? 1:56:18.120 --> 1:56:21.000 What I'm just like, yeah, like for somebody who swear 1:56:21.080 --> 1:56:23.960 they so like you, so tough and hard, I'm like, man, 1:56:24.040 --> 1:56:25.320 little cupcake. 1:56:24.880 --> 1:56:27.040 Ass like one of the earliest. 1:56:27.360 --> 1:56:30.800 I mean, I'm telling you the earliest lesson I got 1:56:31.040 --> 1:56:33.760 as a child, and I still say it to my kids. 1:56:34.040 --> 1:56:37.160 You don't dish out what you can't take, like you don't, 1:56:37.240 --> 1:56:38.960 don't put it out there if you can't handle it. 1:56:39.040 --> 1:56:41.240 You know, So if you go get jokes and that 1:56:41.280 --> 1:56:44.560 person roast you back. I come from. That's our culture. 1:56:44.640 --> 1:56:47.160 It's like even even around family, it's just like bro, 1:56:48.000 --> 1:56:50.440 I was having a conversation with one of the parents, like, 1:56:50.880 --> 1:56:52.840 because I have the type of job I have, I 1:56:52.880 --> 1:56:56.000 do a lot of the pickups, the after school pickups. 1:56:56.080 --> 1:56:57.840 Yeah you know, so I was talking to one of them. 1:56:59.160 --> 1:57:00.960 Yes, yes, so I was talking to one of the 1:57:01.040 --> 1:57:04.080 moms just about like nicknames, growing up whatever, right, And 1:57:05.000 --> 1:57:09.520 my mother biting sarcasm is super funny, brilliant, but like 1:57:09.600 --> 1:57:13.680 fire baptized, speaking in tongues, praying the house down, she 1:57:13.920 --> 1:57:15.000 is a biting sarcasm. 1:57:15.080 --> 1:57:16.560 And I was like, she used to call me the 1:57:16.600 --> 1:57:23.440 before picture she just just cold his ice and I 1:57:23.520 --> 1:57:24.600 was just like dang. 1:57:25.360 --> 1:57:28.920 But again it's like she could she could always give 1:57:28.960 --> 1:57:30.600 it back, you know what I'm saying, So like we 1:57:30.720 --> 1:57:32.960 you just so you just knew, like if you was 1:57:33.000 --> 1:57:34.840 gonna get your feelings hurt, I don't know if you 1:57:34.880 --> 1:57:37.280 can handle that, you know, And even like specifically with 1:57:37.320 --> 1:57:40.480 the young ladies, it's just like, bro, like, I'm like, 1:57:40.520 --> 1:57:42.800 you follow with porn bots. Like part of me like 1:57:42.840 --> 1:57:45.360 again in the most misogynistic possible it's like, nigga, you 1:57:45.360 --> 1:57:49.440 ain't got no flavor cuz like right, you're weirdo, like 1:57:49.480 --> 1:57:50.760 that's why you're doing this. 1:57:50.880 --> 1:57:53.560 Yeah, and they claim like this is a group of people, 1:57:53.840 --> 1:57:57.000 you know whatever, I'm conservative Jena x men, Yeah, who 1:57:57.040 --> 1:58:00.480 claim a level of cultural dominance that that's what they're 1:58:00.520 --> 1:58:02.600 expressing when they come into the my comments section to 1:58:02.680 --> 1:58:05.160 yell at me. This like cultural dominance they think they 1:58:05.160 --> 1:58:08.080 have and it's completely manufactured. Yeah, you dominate no one. 1:58:08.520 --> 1:58:10.400 No one look at you like, and that's kind of 1:58:10.400 --> 1:58:12.960 the point that and I yeah, part of me is like, well, 1:58:14.040 --> 1:58:15.880 maybe I'm being too mean, but also I feel like 1:58:15.880 --> 1:58:18.720 I'm doing them a favor, like you really are you 1:58:18.800 --> 1:58:21.160 have no actual self esteem? You have no self esteem 1:58:21.240 --> 1:58:23.480 is built by doing estimable things. And when you spend 1:58:23.520 --> 1:58:26.160 all of your time online just yelling at women, of course, yeah, 1:58:26.200 --> 1:58:27.480 there's nothing esteemable there. 1:58:28.000 --> 1:58:30.560 It's so silly man, Like, I mean, we're totally off 1:58:30.600 --> 1:58:32.720 the rails here. But I love this because it's very 1:58:32.720 --> 1:58:35.720 important to me because I'm just like when my oldest 1:58:35.760 --> 1:58:37.240 was in like junior high. Like I was trying to 1:58:37.240 --> 1:58:39.360 tell my wife, Like I was like, the thing is, 1:58:39.760 --> 1:58:44.120 we have been experiencing rejection since fifth grade, and it's 1:58:44.200 --> 1:58:49.480 because I'm planning this all week to go actually approach Natasha, 1:58:49.520 --> 1:58:52.080 like you're thinking about it all week when I'm gonna 1:58:52.120 --> 1:58:54.040 wear the right outfit, I'm gonna do this. You go 1:58:54.080 --> 1:58:55.680 over there, you say something to her. She giggles to 1:58:55.680 --> 1:58:57.760 all her friends and runs away and says you it's 1:58:57.840 --> 1:58:59.880 just like, okay, that's the first time you got your 1:59:00.120 --> 1:59:03.520 heartbroken as a little boy, right, So fast forward to 1:59:03.600 --> 1:59:05.440 middle school. Oh my god, will you dance with me? 1:59:05.720 --> 1:59:08.680 You know, okay, you did it again. By time, these 1:59:08.720 --> 1:59:11.040 dudes are in the club and it's like, hey, hey, 1:59:11.080 --> 1:59:13.720 red jeans, red jeans, red jeans. 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:16.080 You want to dance? No or whatever? Fuck you? 1:59:16.000 --> 1:59:17.720 You know what I'm saying. It's just like, you know, 1:59:18.080 --> 1:59:21.800 you go through this. But all that to say, hopefully, 1:59:21.880 --> 1:59:24.400 if you have a healthy sense, you start learning, like 1:59:24.480 --> 1:59:26.120 hey man, you catch more. 1:59:26.000 --> 1:59:28.120 Bees with honey bro like or you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:59:28.160 --> 1:59:29.200 maybe there's a better. 1:59:29.000 --> 1:59:31.240 Way to communicate with people, and you just got to 1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:33.760 understand that, Like I just think you don't know how 1:59:33.800 --> 1:59:35.320 to talk to people, like you don't know, like she 1:59:35.400 --> 1:59:37.360 got the right to be like no, thank you, and 1:59:37.480 --> 1:59:40.120 you gotta be like okay, word, you know what I'm saying. 1:59:40.120 --> 1:59:42.520 You shot your shot, like I'm trying to be like 1:59:42.640 --> 1:59:45.960 as bland as passable. Look, you shoot your shot, you 1:59:46.000 --> 1:59:47.280 don't you don't make every shot. 1:59:47.640 --> 1:59:49.120 Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Like, you don't make 1:59:49.160 --> 1:59:50.720 every shot, You're gonna hit one of them. You know 1:59:50.760 --> 1:59:51.240 what I'm saying. 1:59:51.480 --> 1:59:54.200 Somebody gonna want to dance with you, and you're just like, okay, great, 1:59:54.240 --> 1:59:55.560 you know it was a good time. You know, hey, 1:59:55.640 --> 1:59:57.800 can we No, Okay, you know what I'm saying. It's 1:59:57.840 --> 2:00:01.840 just it is what it is. Your point, I think 2:00:01.920 --> 2:00:05.160 either I don't. It's so weird to be explained because 2:00:05.160 --> 2:00:07.240 I just I don't relate to it. I don't relate 2:00:07.280 --> 2:00:11.040 to somebody who doesn't understand that, like Broll, you're a 2:00:11.080 --> 2:00:13.720 total stranger, Like I don't care about your opinion number one, 2:00:13.800 --> 2:00:16.760 And why do you feel like you have the right. 2:00:16.640 --> 2:00:17.880 To like what is you doing? 2:00:18.040 --> 2:00:22.120 Like it's just it's embarrassing roh, Like yeah, like so anyway, 2:00:22.320 --> 2:00:25.920 I enjoy it, but I think you brought up something 2:00:25.920 --> 2:00:27.720 that I would love to hear you talk more about, 2:00:27.760 --> 2:00:29.840 like all this to say, like this is the note 2:00:29.880 --> 2:00:32.440 I wrote. It's like, I feel like this type of 2:00:32.520 --> 2:00:36.600 dragging is not only needed, but I think it's holy right, 2:00:37.280 --> 2:00:40.400 and I think it's a divine, sacred work to like 2:00:41.440 --> 2:00:45.280 truly roast a person. And I think when it comes 2:00:45.280 --> 2:00:47.560 to you in politics, it's because you know what you're 2:00:47.640 --> 2:00:48.360 talking about. 2:00:49.000 --> 2:00:51.200 It makes it even more important. 2:00:51.280 --> 2:00:53.080 But I guess my question is, like, do you think 2:00:53.120 --> 2:00:55.839 that there is something greater than just this is funny 2:00:56.200 --> 2:00:56.880 going on there? 2:00:57.320 --> 2:00:57.520 Oh? 2:00:57.640 --> 2:01:01.840 Yeah, for sure. I know it seems like it's for 2:01:01.880 --> 2:01:03.960 the lulls or whatever, or the views of the clicker 2:01:03.960 --> 2:01:05.640 of your engagement or whatever. But there's very little that 2:01:05.720 --> 2:01:10.600 I do in my content that's not strategic. And again 2:01:10.640 --> 2:01:12.640 it goes back to permission. Like you said, these men 2:01:12.680 --> 2:01:16.360 don't know me. Yeah, I don't care what they think 2:01:16.400 --> 2:01:19.640 about about me. I'm doing great. You know, you know 2:01:19.680 --> 2:01:21.360 you're free to hate me. I don't care. But I 2:01:21.400 --> 2:01:25.520 want to again provide a permission structure, especially for other 2:01:25.600 --> 2:01:29.320 women who exist online and who in this moment especially 2:01:29.360 --> 2:01:31.760 want to start raising their voices, to learn how to 2:01:31.800 --> 2:01:34.400 clap back, like, you have got to learn if you're 2:01:34.400 --> 2:01:36.440 going to be out there, especially right now in the 2:01:36.480 --> 2:01:38.720 world as a woman, you have got to learn how 2:01:38.720 --> 2:01:41.360 to tell somebody to fuck off in a way that 2:01:41.360 --> 2:01:43.440 that matter, that they will hear. Yeah, you know, because 2:01:43.440 --> 2:01:45.120 a lot of times men won't hear no. You know 2:01:45.200 --> 2:01:47.120 that the president doesn't know what the word not means. 2:01:47.520 --> 2:01:50.160 But if you can say it artfully and mean it 2:01:50.240 --> 2:01:55.040 with your whole chest, oftentimes it will work. So it's 2:01:55.720 --> 2:01:58.760 almost like providing an example, especially for women who are 2:01:58.760 --> 2:02:00.480 a little younger than me because I'm in my four now, 2:02:01.120 --> 2:02:04.440 how to detach themselves from the value assigned to them 2:02:04.480 --> 2:02:08.600 by random men who gives a fuck for show. 2:02:09.400 --> 2:02:11.960 And like the seasoning on top of that is just 2:02:12.240 --> 2:02:16.120 corny ass man, Like just yes, you are a cornball. 2:02:16.360 --> 2:02:19.160 Like that's where it's like, it's not the problem, but 2:02:19.240 --> 2:02:22.120 it's the part that just like gets under my fingernails, 2:02:22.200 --> 2:02:24.840 is like you're so fucking corny. 2:02:24.920 --> 2:02:27.400 Like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I'm like, 2:02:27.440 --> 2:02:30.720 why are you doing this? Like you're the same guy, bro, Like. 2:02:30.720 --> 2:02:31.960 It's the same guy every time. 2:02:32.400 --> 2:02:33.000 Why are y'all? 2:02:33.640 --> 2:02:35.200 Who where is this aesthetic? 2:02:35.320 --> 2:02:37.480 And then I'm just like speaking your language, like I 2:02:37.840 --> 2:02:43.400 don't know a single female that likes this, Like who anyway, 2:02:43.960 --> 2:02:46.440 let's go back to the to the profession, even though 2:02:46.440 --> 2:02:48.400 I do love that that's a part of the thing, 2:02:49.000 --> 2:02:51.120 like you mentioned before, formerly trained in history, you know 2:02:51.160 --> 2:02:55.960 your whiteboard stuff, like you're obviously very well researched, and 2:02:56.440 --> 2:02:58.560 I have my cynical answer to this, but like it's 2:02:58.600 --> 2:03:03.800 just so bizarre to me how specifically if we're gonna 2:03:03.880 --> 2:03:07.640 use these binaries of like right wing and left wing, 2:03:07.880 --> 2:03:11.680 like especially like content creation, to where I'm just like, Okay, 2:03:11.680 --> 2:03:13.600 we know that that's a grift, we know that's a hustle, 2:03:13.600 --> 2:03:15.440 we know you're doing that, but like but even with that, 2:03:15.480 --> 2:03:18.880 I'm just like they just be factually wrong to where 2:03:18.920 --> 2:03:21.080 I'm just like I'm not even like I'm not even 2:03:21.120 --> 2:03:23.840 worried about your position. I can't even get to your 2:03:23.840 --> 2:03:27.480 positions yet. I'm just saying, like you ain't doing no homework. 2:03:28.200 --> 2:03:30.840 I can't square that circle to me. But like what 2:03:30.880 --> 2:03:32.240 you do and I know what I do too, is 2:03:32.280 --> 2:03:34.480 because I guess, because I guess we care about reality. 2:03:34.560 --> 2:03:36.480 Is like I mean, do a lot of homework. You 2:03:36.480 --> 2:03:37.600 know what I'm saying so. 2:03:37.680 --> 2:03:39.280 Like I would love to know a little bit about 2:03:39.320 --> 2:03:41.760 your process as far as like your homework, your research, 2:03:41.920 --> 2:03:42.440 maybe what. 2:03:42.400 --> 2:03:44.640 Some tools you use before you even put it on. 2:03:44.880 --> 2:03:46.480 Like I mean, I've there's been times I've had to 2:03:46.480 --> 2:03:49.840 be like, hey, guys, hey, I fucked up. I thought 2:03:49.880 --> 2:03:51.880 it was you know what I'm saying, Like I'll come 2:03:51.920 --> 2:03:53.760 back and fact check myself, but I'll just be like, 2:03:53.800 --> 2:03:56.680 I don't understand fact check it all. Like I feel 2:03:56.720 --> 2:03:58.280 like I don't even That's why I won't do like 2:03:58.360 --> 2:04:00.040 jubileese or any to I'll be like. 2:04:00.280 --> 2:04:05.600 Oh I've refused. No, absolutely not. I'm like, yeah that ye, No, 2:04:05.760 --> 2:04:09.560 that's not my actual nightmare a stress stream of being 2:04:09.600 --> 2:04:13.000 in a jubilee. Yeah, I think that the way that 2:04:13.200 --> 2:04:15.360 like you were saying, the way that it's approached makes 2:04:15.360 --> 2:04:17.680 a difference. So like, I'm not here for a media career. 2:04:17.760 --> 2:04:20.160 I'm not here to make a bajillion dollars and become 2:04:20.160 --> 2:04:23.960 an influencer and go work on Chuck Schumer's reelection campaign. 2:04:23.960 --> 2:04:25.120 I don't give a shit about any of that. 2:04:25.240 --> 2:04:25.680 No, thank you. 2:04:25.760 --> 2:04:27.800 I am here. I don't falk what Chuck. 2:04:27.680 --> 2:04:29.200 Suber Yeah, no, thank you. 2:04:29.440 --> 2:04:32.960 I am here with a mission, and my mission is 2:04:33.000 --> 2:04:36.720 to help people who are probably just getting plugged in, 2:04:36.800 --> 2:04:38.240 or even people have been plugged in for a while 2:04:38.280 --> 2:04:42.480 and are getting tired, understand how power operates in America politically, 2:04:42.880 --> 2:04:45.920 historically and now. And that takes a lot of digging 2:04:45.960 --> 2:04:47.920 and a lot of research and a lot of fact checking, 2:04:47.920 --> 2:04:50.080 as you were saying, So I need people to trust me, 2:04:50.240 --> 2:04:52.240 because if they don't trust me, they're not going to 2:04:52.760 --> 2:04:55.160 take my advice. They're not going to get involved in 2:04:55.200 --> 2:04:56.760 the places I tell them to get involved. There's not 2:04:56.800 --> 2:04:59.880 going to be any strategy to the ways that people 2:04:59.880 --> 2:05:03.200 are formulating their resistance with their opposition to rising authoritarianism. 2:05:03.480 --> 2:05:07.000 So it matters a great deal that I am right 2:05:07.960 --> 2:05:09.720 in the things that I'm saying, yeah, and that it's 2:05:09.760 --> 2:05:11.680 accurate at least. I mean, I'm not saying my takes 2:05:11.720 --> 2:05:13.920 are always right. And of course, like you said, I 2:05:13.920 --> 2:05:16.360 make mistakes sometimes and I will go back and correct myself. 2:05:16.760 --> 2:05:20.280 But I mean, you know, I've been an American history 2:05:20.320 --> 2:05:22.360 person for twenty years now, so I do have a 2:05:22.400 --> 2:05:26.840 pretty big base of knowledge. Yeah, but I am going 2:05:26.920 --> 2:05:28.800 to go back before I say a word and like 2:05:29.040 --> 2:05:31.800 double check my dates, double check like was this person 2:05:31.840 --> 2:05:33.360 in the House of the Senate, you know, what was 2:05:33.360 --> 2:05:35.200 the bill number? Like, I am going to do all 2:05:35.200 --> 2:05:36.760 of that, and that takes a lot of digging. Like 2:05:37.080 --> 2:05:39.080 I don't I don't think it's on purpose necessarily, but 2:05:39.120 --> 2:05:42.960 going through congressional records is everything is very scattered. Nothing 2:05:43.000 --> 2:05:47.040 is in one place. You're checking fourteen different you know, resources, Congress, 2:05:47.080 --> 2:05:48.880 dot Gov and all these other things. And I have 2:05:48.960 --> 2:05:50.920 to collalate all of that and put it together and 2:05:50.960 --> 2:05:53.120 it takes hours, you know, hours. Yeah, but it's my 2:05:53.160 --> 2:05:56.640 full time job now, so yeah, that's fine. But when 2:05:56.680 --> 2:05:59.280 I was working full time, when I had like a 2:05:59.320 --> 2:06:01.640 corporate job, I was in big tech up until June 2:06:01.640 --> 2:06:02.760 of last year. 2:06:02.880 --> 2:06:04.600 Wow, So it was it was. 2:06:04.560 --> 2:06:07.040 Just a lot of hours. It was eighteen nineteen hour days. 2:06:07.080 --> 2:06:10.240 I slept almost sees zero. I mean it's better now, 2:06:10.320 --> 2:06:13.040 but yeah, I mean, I am very dedicated to making 2:06:13.120 --> 2:06:15.600 sure that the thing that I'm putting out there is trustworthy, 2:06:16.040 --> 2:06:19.320 is not emotionally reactive like I'm I think that is 2:06:19.360 --> 2:06:22.080 something that separates me from other creators, especially on the left, 2:06:22.160 --> 2:06:23.560 is I'm not trying to get a rise out of you. 2:06:23.840 --> 2:06:26.280 I'm not trying to make you that's so dopanic. I'm 2:06:26.280 --> 2:06:29.480 not doing that, Like that should terrify every American. I'm 2:06:29.520 --> 2:06:31.280 not doing that. Shit. You're an adult. If you want 2:06:31.280 --> 2:06:33.360 to be terrified, be terrified. I don't care. Like your 2:06:33.400 --> 2:06:36.160 feelings are your own problem. Yeah, I'm telling you what's happening, 2:06:36.800 --> 2:06:38.680 how it's rooted in American history, and what you can 2:06:38.720 --> 2:06:40.240 do about it, and like what people have done about 2:06:40.240 --> 2:06:42.080 it in the past. When similar things have happened, something 2:06:42.080 --> 2:06:46.560 similar is probably happened, and so like, yeah, that's my strategy. 2:06:47.360 --> 2:06:51.080 Yeah again, very much so like a kinsman like spirit 2:06:51.320 --> 2:06:54.960 in that. Yeah, Like I'm not I'm ultimately an educator, 2:06:55.000 --> 2:06:56.360 you know what I'm saying, And I'm like, I'm really 2:06:56.360 --> 2:06:58.120 just trying to onboard you to be like hey, bro, 2:06:58.280 --> 2:06:59.760 like these people aren't smarter than you. 2:06:59.760 --> 2:06:59.920 You know. 2:07:00.360 --> 2:07:14.360 Yes, lastly, like I would ask because you kind of 2:07:14.400 --> 2:07:16.240 just brought it up like some sort of like historical 2:07:16.320 --> 2:07:19.960 parallels as far as like lessons from the past, like 2:07:20.440 --> 2:07:22.200 do you have any that like come to mind, like 2:07:22.280 --> 2:07:22.840 off the head? 2:07:23.120 --> 2:07:25.720 Oh yes, how much time do you have? 2:07:25.840 --> 2:07:25.880 No? 2:07:26.880 --> 2:07:29.320 I know people always always always want to talk about 2:07:29.360 --> 2:07:32.480 Nazi Germany right now, and like I get it, Okay, 2:07:32.600 --> 2:07:35.400 I'm not saying that there are no commonalities. Of course 2:07:35.400 --> 2:07:37.920 there are. It's so important to me that we focus 2:07:38.040 --> 2:07:41.120 on the commonalities that we have in American history because 2:07:41.160 --> 2:07:44.440 we are so different from Germany. Yeah, Germany was like 2:07:44.680 --> 2:07:48.560 very ethnically homogeneous. It's a tactic, a small country compared 2:07:48.600 --> 2:07:50.800 to ours. Yes, they don't have the same issues that 2:07:50.840 --> 2:07:52.920 we had. They had they you know, Nazi Germany came 2:07:52.960 --> 2:07:55.400 out of a very particular time place and people. We 2:07:55.480 --> 2:07:58.240 are a different time place and people. So there's that 2:07:58.360 --> 2:07:59.800 like studying not to German if you want, I'm not 2:07:59.800 --> 2:08:02.080 saying don't, but if you're going to study Nazi Germany, 2:08:02.080 --> 2:08:03.440 but you're not going to look at the Black Panthers, 2:08:03.440 --> 2:08:04.880 and you're not going to look at the Civil rights movement, 2:08:04.880 --> 2:08:06.880 and you're not going to look at reconstruction, and you're 2:08:06.880 --> 2:08:07.920 not going to look at Jim Crow. 2:08:09.200 --> 2:08:09.400 Yes. 2:08:09.640 --> 2:08:13.320 Yes, you're not going to come up with any viable solutions. Yes, 2:08:13.360 --> 2:08:18.640 because resistance in Germany came from the Soviet Union coming 2:08:18.640 --> 2:08:23.000 into right and you know, but resistance in America comes 2:08:23.040 --> 2:08:25.520 from black and indigenous and Latino people, yes, and like 2:08:25.600 --> 2:08:28.040 we did it y yes, and labor movements and all 2:08:28.080 --> 2:08:32.000 and so you have got to become more familiar with 2:08:32.280 --> 2:08:34.600 your own people, with your own people. And that's a 2:08:34.640 --> 2:08:36.640 little difficult in America, right because we're like, you know, 2:08:36.840 --> 2:08:38.280 we're not really a melting pot. We're more of like 2:08:38.320 --> 2:08:42.160 a weird mixed chopped salad. Yes, but we tend to 2:08:42.200 --> 2:08:46.120 be in our little on purpose are separated, segregated neighborhoods 2:08:46.120 --> 2:08:48.440 and our segregated schools, and we don't associate with and 2:08:48.480 --> 2:08:50.919 we do like Black History Month, and then we forget 2:08:50.960 --> 2:08:54.040 to read about any other point of Black history outside 2:08:54.040 --> 2:08:56.600 of that. Yeah, and we'll do like Indigenous People's Day 2:08:56.880 --> 2:09:00.160 on Columbus Day and never read another piece of Hitt. 2:09:00.440 --> 2:09:03.040 And all that is is a disservice because those are 2:09:03.080 --> 2:09:05.240 the effect of resistance methods that we can take and 2:09:05.280 --> 2:09:08.280 carry forward as we move through this administration. 2:09:08.360 --> 2:09:08.960 And we will, we. 2:09:08.960 --> 2:09:10.160 Will come out on the other side. 2:09:10.160 --> 2:09:11.000 But like love it. 2:09:11.480 --> 2:09:13.440 Even something like the guilded Age, right, like that I 2:09:13.440 --> 2:09:17.040 think is one of the most important historical analogs the 2:09:17.120 --> 2:09:19.240 late nineteenth century because in the guilded Age, we had 2:09:19.240 --> 2:09:23.440 an oligarchy, there was no income tax like the Rockefellers. 2:09:23.440 --> 2:09:25.839 There was so much corruption at every level of government, 2:09:26.160 --> 2:09:28.680 Jim Crow was on the rise, was being born out 2:09:28.680 --> 2:09:32.400 of that era. Labor unions were coming online and all 2:09:32.440 --> 2:09:35.280 of that, Like, there are so many parallels, but we 2:09:35.320 --> 2:09:37.600 made so many mistakes. Then we made so many We 2:09:37.680 --> 2:09:41.760 let the clan come back, Our labor unions were segregated, 2:09:42.080 --> 2:09:45.560 purposefully segregated. We got lots of things like the FDA 2:09:45.760 --> 2:09:48.040 and government regulations and things like that that were born 2:09:48.040 --> 2:09:50.480 out of all this corruption. But then we went way 2:09:50.520 --> 2:09:54.360 too far into scoldy moralizing and got prohibition, which was 2:09:54.360 --> 2:09:56.200 a terrible idea. So we need to avoid that. We 2:09:56.240 --> 2:09:58.960 need to avoid leaving behind people like we did during 2:09:58.960 --> 2:10:01.400 the Gilded Age, because that's what Americans tend to do. 2:10:01.480 --> 2:10:04.600 We have we like momentum, we like forward, we like progress, 2:10:04.960 --> 2:10:07.200 and we leave behind all these people who've been oppressed 2:10:07.200 --> 2:10:10.080 and marginalized and we just ignore them. So we need 2:10:10.120 --> 2:10:12.320 to we need to look at our own history and 2:10:13.320 --> 2:10:15.960 learn not just from the effective resistance of the past, 2:10:16.000 --> 2:10:17.800 but the mistakes we made in the past. And we 2:10:17.840 --> 2:10:20.640 can't really do that looking at Nazi Germany because that 2:10:20.800 --> 2:10:21.480 ended with. 2:10:21.760 --> 2:10:24.480 Those yeah exactly, I don't like. 2:10:24.600 --> 2:10:26.880 He killed himself and then we you know, set up 2:10:27.440 --> 2:10:31.520 NATO and left yeah, yeah, and that's not what we 2:10:31.560 --> 2:10:32.200 need to do here. 2:10:33.200 --> 2:10:35.640 My biggest gripe was like yeah, like especially with like 2:10:35.680 --> 2:10:38.040 the leftover Nazis, was like we didn't go hard enough 2:10:38.040 --> 2:10:40.440 on you. You know what I'm saying, Like we should 2:10:40.440 --> 2:10:42.320 have like really stamped that out, but you really cook 2:10:42.400 --> 2:10:44.960 him in, Like I mean you already nailed it. I see, Yeah, 2:10:45.080 --> 2:10:48.560 Gilded Age slave catchers, Like to me, this is like 2:10:48.600 --> 2:10:50.400 this some dread Scot shit to me, yes, you know 2:10:50.400 --> 2:10:53.120 what I'm saying, And yeah, all that like because that 2:10:53.320 --> 2:10:56.000 was like we're saying, okay, who's a citizen. 2:10:56.280 --> 2:10:57.000 Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 2:10:57.080 --> 2:10:59.520 That was the dread Scott question, right or just like 2:11:00.080 --> 2:11:02.920 you know, States rights versus Federal rights, Marlboi versus Madison, 2:11:03.040 --> 2:11:05.040 like all this stuff like you said, like we've already 2:11:05.040 --> 2:11:07.960 fleshed out that in my mind is playing. But the 2:11:08.000 --> 2:11:10.800 Gilded Age thing is like nah, dude, like you cooking, 2:11:11.280 --> 2:11:13.720 because man, you got me all excited in my history. 2:11:13.920 --> 2:11:15.800 I'm excited now. I wish you could see my toes tapping. 2:11:15.960 --> 2:11:18.800 But like yeah, cause I'm like, okay, you think of 2:11:18.880 --> 2:11:21.680 like the Pinkertons, you think about like the ways for 2:11:21.720 --> 2:11:25.240 which a collective movement being broke in the sense that 2:11:25.400 --> 2:11:29.120 like you had these you know, steel workers in Pittsburgh 2:11:29.120 --> 2:11:31.160 that would strike and then they would just go get 2:11:31.200 --> 2:11:33.840 freed slaves to be like well, y'all could go do this, 2:11:34.000 --> 2:11:35.840 And it's like, man, what the hell you want me 2:11:35.880 --> 2:11:36.200 to do? 2:11:36.440 --> 2:11:37.560 You know what I'm saying, Like. 2:11:37.320 --> 2:11:40.080 Like exactly, yes, I mean any choice. 2:11:40.200 --> 2:11:41.640 I don't have no choice. You know what I'm saying. 2:11:41.640 --> 2:11:44.600 It's like to the regime, like touche, it was a 2:11:44.640 --> 2:11:47.040 really good move, you know what I'm saying as somebody 2:11:47.120 --> 2:11:49.480 trying to hold on to a regime, But like what 2:11:49.960 --> 2:11:52.440 like to your point, like it's it's always like and 2:11:52.480 --> 2:11:54.320 this is the hard part for me, even talking about 2:11:54.360 --> 2:11:56.920 Black history, which is something I want to come back 2:11:56.960 --> 2:11:59.800 to with Like the cost of this is different for 2:11:59.920 --> 2:12:03.680 like African American communities. This this costs us more. You 2:12:03.720 --> 2:12:06.760 know what I'm saying, it's going to in the long 2:12:06.880 --> 2:12:10.080 run cost us all. Don't get me wrong, but what 2:12:10.120 --> 2:12:13.320 you're asking, especially at that moment, going back to the 2:12:13.320 --> 2:12:16.240 guilded dage, what you're asking me to step into. We're 2:12:16.280 --> 2:12:18.440 not ponying up the same amount of money here, you 2:12:18.520 --> 2:12:21.440 know what I'm saying, so I just wonder, like you said, 2:12:21.560 --> 2:12:24.600 like what are those lessons me living in Los Angeles, 2:12:24.640 --> 2:12:26.320 like you know, with the ice rage being a part 2:12:26.320 --> 2:12:30.240 of like deeply student in the Latino community, Like what's 2:12:30.320 --> 2:12:33.520 the strategic cause, you know, black people get out there, 2:12:33.960 --> 2:12:36.360 police open fire. You know what I'm saying, Like they 2:12:36.480 --> 2:12:38.520 gonna kill us, you know what I mean? So like 2:12:39.960 --> 2:12:42.720 is this strategic by us? Like kind of like, well, 2:12:42.720 --> 2:12:44.720 we'll be in the back row, Like what's happening here? 2:12:44.760 --> 2:12:47.280 You know what I'm saying? Like, so what are those lessons? 2:12:47.320 --> 2:12:50.480 What are ways for which we can like, like you said, 2:12:50.560 --> 2:12:57.320 like look at how America has responded to its you 2:12:57.320 --> 2:12:59.640 know hydra, that's that's rearing itself. 2:13:01.320 --> 2:13:02.200 Is an interesting thing. 2:13:02.240 --> 2:13:04.120 But I think the last thing before I ask you 2:13:04.160 --> 2:13:08.080 about predictions is this thing about about black history, this 2:13:08.240 --> 2:13:11.000 being Black History Month. So the hard part for me 2:13:11.600 --> 2:13:15.720 is like especially with like like I taught high school 2:13:15.720 --> 2:13:20.800 for six years, you know, when when discussing blackness or 2:13:20.800 --> 2:13:24.120 like you said, Indigenous Day or whatever, like it's this 2:13:24.240 --> 2:13:27.840 carve out, right, that is, you know, a corrective force, right, 2:13:28.280 --> 2:13:30.880 but the carve out a lot of times tends to 2:13:30.960 --> 2:13:34.280 just be like trivia, like vocabulary like, oh. 2:13:34.200 --> 2:13:35.240 Did you know that this person? 2:13:35.280 --> 2:13:35.560 Did you do? 2:13:35.600 --> 2:13:36.120 You know what I'm saying. 2:13:36.160 --> 2:13:37.560 And it's like, of course, cause you're trying to like 2:13:37.560 --> 2:13:39.120 I get it, you're trying to wet the appetite, you 2:13:39.160 --> 2:13:41.400 know what I'm saying. But it's a carve out to me, 2:13:41.520 --> 2:13:45.880 that's not in the context. It's not context inbedded, it's 2:13:45.880 --> 2:13:49.360 not a part of history. It's this carveout that's taught 2:13:49.520 --> 2:13:51.800 as trivia, you know what I'm saying, and. 2:13:51.800 --> 2:13:54.600 Like an afterthought, yeah, or an adult it's like an afterthought. 2:13:54.880 --> 2:13:56.680 But then like you said, but then never talked about 2:13:56.720 --> 2:13:59.720 again as if like what it's like, well, we were 2:13:59.720 --> 2:14:03.600 there whole time, We're in every chapter, we're we're in 2:14:03.640 --> 2:14:06.400 all the semesters you're about to talk through like we. 2:14:06.240 --> 2:14:08.120 Was at all of them, you know what I'm saying. 2:14:08.440 --> 2:14:10.400 And it's just like, so we're just gonna not point 2:14:10.400 --> 2:14:12.160 at the black people for the rest of the year 2:14:12.240 --> 2:14:14.960 when you talk about this while there needs to be 2:14:15.600 --> 2:14:17.560 and of course I'm a product of it, like the 2:14:17.920 --> 2:14:20.840 specificity of a moment to say, I just want to 2:14:20.840 --> 2:14:22.600 stop right here and say that this person was this 2:14:22.680 --> 2:14:24.720 you know what I'm saying, But like, what are ways 2:14:24.720 --> 2:14:32.200 for which we can reimbed the female voices, the indigenous voices, 2:14:32.240 --> 2:14:36.080 the black voices, back into just the curriculum period, which 2:14:36.120 --> 2:14:38.560 is bastardized by what Maggot's trying to say. You know 2:14:38.600 --> 2:14:41.480 what I'm saying, like the bastardized version of that that 2:14:41.600 --> 2:14:44.200 is clearly obviously racist, you know what I'm saying. It 2:14:44.280 --> 2:14:45.600 was like which so like a lot of times we 2:14:45.680 --> 2:14:47.400 start talking about this, they'd be like, you know what, 2:14:47.720 --> 2:14:50.360 that's our point, and I'm like, hold up, cuz that's 2:14:50.440 --> 2:14:52.960 not your point, Joe'm saying, that's not the point you 2:14:53.080 --> 2:14:56.960 make it, right. The point I'm making is saying we 2:14:56.960 --> 2:15:00.240 were there the whole time. Yeah, and I wouldn't love 2:15:00.320 --> 2:15:04.040 to have the dignity of being there the whole time, 2:15:04.160 --> 2:15:04.720 you know what I'm saying. 2:15:05.040 --> 2:15:07.160 So so I say that to echo. 2:15:06.920 --> 2:15:09.480 Your point about like we're just gonna stop talking about 2:15:10.120 --> 2:15:12.880 natives after indigited like they was there. 2:15:13.040 --> 2:15:14.000 You'll say it like. 2:15:14.240 --> 2:15:18.160 Yeah, and it matters today, Like I just got into 2:15:18.240 --> 2:15:21.920 it on threads or Instagram or whatever some platform with 2:15:22.920 --> 2:15:25.839 some leftist which is I'm not it's not a criticism 2:15:25.880 --> 2:15:29.440 of leftism, but he was saying like he was criticizing 2:15:29.480 --> 2:15:34.160 Kamala Harris's campaign. Fine, I don't care Kamala Harris, but 2:15:34.480 --> 2:15:37.320 he was a white guy and he was saying she 2:15:37.520 --> 2:15:39.840 kept making pitches about what she could do for the 2:15:39.880 --> 2:15:42.120 black community, but she never said what she could do 2:15:42.600 --> 2:15:45.880 for white people. And I was like, my good bitch, 2:15:48.600 --> 2:15:50.640 you made that up, Like she went on all black 2:15:50.680 --> 2:15:53.160 podcasts once and you gek that to mean that she 2:15:53.200 --> 2:15:55.880 didn't care about white people. Yeah, and like, second of all, 2:15:56.480 --> 2:16:00.360 what part of like first time home buyer tax credits 2:16:00.360 --> 2:16:03.120 to you? I only care about black people. Like the 2:16:03.200 --> 2:16:09.440 idea that policies or history books or whatever that have 2:16:09.520 --> 2:16:12.080 black people in them, or that would benefit black people 2:16:12.280 --> 2:16:15.480 only benefit black people is one of the reasons why 2:16:15.520 --> 2:16:17.960 we're in this stupid situation that we're in nout because, Yeah, 2:16:18.000 --> 2:16:21.960 it's bizarre the recognition of how black and Indigenous and 2:16:22.040 --> 2:16:24.640 Latino people have been in this country since the beginning. 2:16:24.720 --> 2:16:28.880 The Spanish have been here longer, the English Spanish has 2:16:28.880 --> 2:16:31.040 been spoken in this country longer than English. Yeah, to 2:16:31.080 --> 2:16:34.959 put open in that that raises everyone's boats, Like policies 2:16:35.000 --> 2:16:41.200 that benefit our marginalized communities benefit everyone else, Like the 2:16:41.320 --> 2:16:44.039 rising tide truly does raise all of the ships. And 2:16:44.160 --> 2:16:46.959 we can't get to an understanding of that without understanding 2:16:46.959 --> 2:16:49.000 the history because like take for example, what we're dealing 2:16:49.000 --> 2:16:52.040 with right now, mostly direct attacks on the fourteenth Amendment, 2:16:52.040 --> 2:16:54.000 which is a Reconstruction era amendment. 2:16:55.400 --> 2:16:58.120 Guys, yes, and we'll attack that, yeh. 2:16:58.360 --> 2:17:01.400 And attacks on the Voting Rights Ade of nineteen sixty five, 2:17:01.480 --> 2:17:03.920 which was which was passed to make to ensure that 2:17:03.959 --> 2:17:06.520 all black citizens could vote for us. So the things 2:17:06.520 --> 2:17:09.040 that are fucking up white people right now are because 2:17:09.040 --> 2:17:11.640 you don't understand what we got them in the first place. 2:17:11.959 --> 2:17:13.080 Yes, that's my rant. 2:17:13.320 --> 2:17:16.600 You couldn't now you know that that was my exact point. 2:17:16.640 --> 2:17:18.640 You're making my exact point. Or I'm just like no, 2:17:18.840 --> 2:17:21.720 this is like we were here, We're part of the country. 2:17:22.760 --> 2:17:27.840 So last thing is like, besides the prediction of not counting, 2:17:27.920 --> 2:17:30.720 Trump going to try to cancel the midterms, which is 2:17:30.840 --> 2:17:32.200 like I was like, I don't know why we talking 2:17:32.200 --> 2:17:35.960 about midtimers, he gonna try to cancel. But besides that, 2:17:36.200 --> 2:17:38.160 like who should we have our eye on? 2:17:38.360 --> 2:17:41.640 What do you think, oh, for the midterms over twenty 2:17:41.800 --> 2:17:45.920 eight midterms? Okay, I think we're going to win the midterms. 2:17:45.920 --> 2:17:46.920 Okay, I think. 2:17:46.800 --> 2:17:52.440 That the decentralization, the federalization of elections, the way that 2:17:52.440 --> 2:17:54.560 every state runs their own elections, I don't see a 2:17:54.640 --> 2:17:57.640 logistical way for him to prevent that from happening. Period, 2:17:57.879 --> 2:18:01.080 he could tell yeah state not to have elections. I 2:18:01.080 --> 2:18:03.560 suppose the only ones that would obey him would be 2:18:03.760 --> 2:18:07.400 red states, in which case we would have a congressional 2:18:07.440 --> 2:18:10.040 election of only Democrats that go to the hill. 2:18:10.120 --> 2:18:10.360 Yeah. 2:18:10.760 --> 2:18:12.080 Fine, Yeah, that's good to me. 2:18:12.320 --> 2:18:14.600 That's how we got the Reconstruction era amendment, was the 2:18:14.600 --> 2:18:17.680 conservatives in the South state home and didn't go to Congress. 2:18:17.920 --> 2:18:19.920 So fine, But I don't think that's going to happen 2:18:19.920 --> 2:18:21.920 because there are too many Republicans in red states who 2:18:21.920 --> 2:18:23.880 want to run for governors and who want to be senators, 2:18:23.920 --> 2:18:25.879 and they're already having fund raisers. So I do think 2:18:25.879 --> 2:18:27.959 we're going to have the midterms, and I think we're 2:18:27.959 --> 2:18:29.920 going to win. And I'm basing that on the special 2:18:29.920 --> 2:18:33.160 elections that we've been having, sure since January of last year. 2:18:33.760 --> 2:18:36.160 And it's not just you know, I mean, special elections 2:18:36.200 --> 2:18:39.360 are different. We were like plus thirteen on average overperformance 2:18:39.440 --> 2:18:41.520 and special elections. That's not going to replicate itself in 2:18:41.560 --> 2:18:44.560 the midterms because special elections tend to be like very partisan. 2:18:44.800 --> 2:18:47.200 People are very dedicated to coming out. But in the 2:18:47.240 --> 2:18:50.000 last couple of special elections that we've had in Texas, 2:18:50.240 --> 2:18:54.680 New Jersey, Louisiana, Republicans have flipped. Yeah, and that is 2:18:54.720 --> 2:18:56.680 where I'm like, oh, it's in the back, Like maybe 2:18:56.680 --> 2:18:58.520 the majority won't be huge. I don't know that it's 2:18:58.560 --> 2:19:00.000 going to be a landslide because they're going to fuck 2:19:00.080 --> 2:19:02.560 with it whatever. Voter suppression is real, But I do 2:19:02.600 --> 2:19:04.600 think that at least the House we're gonna we're gonna win, 2:19:04.640 --> 2:19:07.840 and the Senate I'm looking at. I think Alaska is 2:19:07.840 --> 2:19:11.080 super interesting. Ohio, North Carolina for sure. Everybody loves word 2:19:11.080 --> 2:19:14.720 Cooper in North Carolina. Yeah, Texas, whether you like Jasmine, 2:19:14.720 --> 2:19:17.680 crocod or Tallerico, either one of them are interesting. You know, Yeah, 2:19:17.720 --> 2:19:18.800 Texas could be interesting. 2:19:18.879 --> 2:19:20.400 So yeah, I think it's love it. 2:19:20.720 --> 2:19:22.520 If I were a Republican, I would be very nervous. 2:19:22.640 --> 2:19:26.240 You better be, because like you can't pretzel yourself any worse. 2:19:26.400 --> 2:19:29.280 Like I think people forget that, like ambition didn't die 2:19:29.800 --> 2:19:33.840 when Trump became president. People still are ambitious and at 2:19:33.840 --> 2:19:37.640 some point you won't realize like shit ain't working, Homie. 2:19:37.360 --> 2:19:39.160 Which rings the last way? If we got time. Yeah, 2:19:39.240 --> 2:19:40.480 let me ask you about twenty twenty eight. 2:19:40.480 --> 2:19:41.160 What do you think. 2:19:43.720 --> 2:19:46.959 It's too it's too No, God, No, he's not gonna. 2:19:46.760 --> 2:19:47.360 Make it that long. 2:19:48.560 --> 2:19:50.360 I was like, he's gonna I keep telling all my friends. 2:19:50.400 --> 2:19:51.680 I was like, I think you have to accept that 2:19:51.720 --> 2:19:54.080 he's gonna die in office anyway. 2:19:54.120 --> 2:19:56.480 But yeah, yeah, he's not gonna make it. It's gonna be. 2:19:56.560 --> 2:19:59.080 It's gonna be Vance. Although I think he'll have some 2:20:00.040 --> 2:20:02.400 competition maybe from Marjorie Tiller Green. I think she's going 2:20:02.440 --> 2:20:03.040 to try to run. 2:20:03.080 --> 2:20:05.480 I think Marjorie's running well. About Tuck. 2:20:06.920 --> 2:20:09.120 Tucker, I think he might go for like a cabinet position. 2:20:09.560 --> 2:20:12.160 You think so he's just like a stupid little bow tie. 2:20:12.200 --> 2:20:14.080 I don't think anybody would go for him. I don't know. 2:20:14.800 --> 2:20:17.959 Okay, stand at me. I really don't, like you can't. 2:20:18.040 --> 2:20:21.400 But yeah, he's so unlikable. Yeah, but so is jd. 2:20:21.560 --> 2:20:21.800 Vance. 2:20:21.800 --> 2:20:25.520 To be honest anyway, on our side, you know, it's 2:20:25.560 --> 2:20:27.640 so early, Yeah, and I think that there are people 2:20:27.680 --> 2:20:29.480 who are starting to poke their heads up now, Like 2:20:29.560 --> 2:20:32.080 I think Osof in Georgia is starting to be a 2:20:32.080 --> 2:20:35.680 little and he's the best fundraiser in seven So the 2:20:35.720 --> 2:20:38.080 two best fundraisers are actually a ticket. I would really 2:20:38.160 --> 2:20:41.800 be interested in, which is OSOF and AOC. They're the 2:20:41.800 --> 2:20:44.119 two best fund raiders in the party, and that's a ticket. 2:20:44.160 --> 2:20:45.160 I would not be upset. 2:20:44.920 --> 2:20:48.080 About, you know, AO, AOC ticket would be crazy. 2:20:48.320 --> 2:20:51.080 I'm not necessarily on the Newsome train. I'm not gonna lie, 2:20:51.080 --> 2:20:52.200 I'm not really on the Newsom train. 2:20:52.320 --> 2:20:57.840 Sister Taylor secret about California feels about I know, I know, 2:20:58.760 --> 2:21:00.480 which is not so much of a secret. 2:21:00.560 --> 2:21:01.360 Yeah, not so hot. 2:21:01.760 --> 2:21:04.240 We we'd definitely be looking at our like our like 2:21:04.400 --> 2:21:07.800 red our Orange counties are our red stations, and they'd 2:21:07.840 --> 2:21:10.279 be like Gavin newsowhere like yeah no. 2:21:10.200 --> 2:21:10.880 Yeah, I don't know. 2:21:11.200 --> 2:21:12.840 Sure, hard degree. 2:21:12.959 --> 2:21:16.720 Yeah no for real, same heart degree. Yeah. 2:21:16.760 --> 2:21:19.960 Anyway, I appreciate that he was one of the first 2:21:20.280 --> 2:21:23.200 high profile Democrats to stand up to Trump in this administration. 2:21:23.280 --> 2:21:25.600 I appreciate that That's not good enough reason for me 2:21:25.640 --> 2:21:26.560 to make a president. 2:21:26.520 --> 2:21:28.920 Not the president. Yeah, I'm like, you're not. Yeah, you're 2:21:28.920 --> 2:21:30.120 not a flaming bag of shit. 2:21:30.400 --> 2:21:32.039 I got it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, 2:21:32.080 --> 2:21:32.560 you're a DC. 2:21:32.680 --> 2:21:33.560 Hell, you're not a fascist. 2:21:33.640 --> 2:21:36.080 Yeah you're not a fascist, Like okay, but you're willing 2:21:36.080 --> 2:21:38.680 to get on a podcast because for some reason you 2:21:38.720 --> 2:21:40.600 want like I don't understand. 2:21:40.120 --> 2:21:41.560 Where your where's your code? 2:21:41.800 --> 2:21:42.000 You know? 2:21:42.600 --> 2:21:44.560 And also I'm like, I don't know, man, you know, 2:21:44.600 --> 2:21:46.840 a grown man like that still slicking his hair back 2:21:47.040 --> 2:21:48.480 is it's just odd to me. 2:21:50.560 --> 2:21:53.360 That's going to do it for some like sixty year 2:21:53.400 --> 2:21:55.760 old ladies in the suffer. He's going to have like 2:21:55.800 --> 2:21:58.240 a Kennedy thing, you know, like, oh he's so handsome, 2:21:58.320 --> 2:21:58.959 but that's but so. 2:21:59.040 --> 2:22:01.000 Is awesome Hoodsop's handsome. 2:22:01.480 --> 2:22:04.640 Yeah maybe I don't know, bro, Yeah, you just I 2:22:04.640 --> 2:22:06.400 feel like you like I feel like, here's the thing. 2:22:06.560 --> 2:22:08.600 Here's the thing about about we need to end this. 2:22:08.680 --> 2:22:10.320 But the thing about Gavin to me is I'm like, 2:22:11.000 --> 2:22:13.680 there's this just like sheen to where it's just like, oh, 2:22:13.720 --> 2:22:17.879 you need to be liked, and like, you know, it's 2:22:17.920 --> 2:22:21.200 this whole like la transplant thing, like you know where 2:22:21.240 --> 2:22:24.000 everybody's like, oh it's so Hollywood and we're like natives 2:22:24.040 --> 2:22:27.160 are like those are all transplants. We're not like that, 2:22:27.320 --> 2:22:29.720 you know what I'm saying. So, but to me, he 2:22:29.879 --> 2:22:31.760 just has that to where I'm just like, oh, you 2:22:31.800 --> 2:22:34.080 need to be the prom king. You need to like, Oh, 2:22:34.440 --> 2:22:36.640 you need this too much? You feel me like, and 2:22:36.720 --> 2:22:39.400 to me, I'm like, oh I don't. I can't. I 2:22:39.440 --> 2:22:42.800 can't ride like this. You need to you, you need 2:22:42.840 --> 2:22:44.640 you need to be popular too much. I don't. 2:22:44.879 --> 2:22:46.160 Yeah, I prefer president. 2:22:46.200 --> 2:22:46.840 I can't trust you. 2:22:47.000 --> 2:22:47.240 Yeah. 2:22:47.280 --> 2:22:49.440 They need to resent being there a little bit. I 2:22:49.440 --> 2:22:50.959 feel like it needs to feel like you. 2:22:50.920 --> 2:22:52.720 Gotta like you gotta kind of be like, I'll be 2:22:52.760 --> 2:22:53.920 all right if it don't work out. 2:22:54.879 --> 2:22:56.440 Yeah, you know, there needs to be a sense of 2:22:56.480 --> 2:22:58.160 service entitlement. 2:22:58.520 --> 2:23:00.880 Man, my camera turns off every half hour. I don't 2:23:00.920 --> 2:23:01.160 know why. 2:23:01.160 --> 2:23:03.039 I stuff to figure that out anyway, but that's a 2:23:03.040 --> 2:23:05.560 good sign for us to wrap this up. Please, can 2:23:05.600 --> 2:23:09.200 you drop all the at mentions for your stuff so 2:23:09.240 --> 2:23:11.840 that these people can enjoy what I enjoy. 2:23:12.600 --> 2:23:16.000 It's Amanda's mild takes everywhere except not Blue Sky. I 2:23:16.000 --> 2:23:16.800 can deal with that, but. 2:23:16.760 --> 2:23:21.320 Everywhere else, Yeah, Amanda's mile takes with the Pettysburg addressed. 2:23:22.080 --> 2:23:25.040 It's brilliant. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you, 2:23:25.400 --> 2:23:27.720 we appreciate it. Y'all go please, you know she'd be 2:23:27.720 --> 2:23:28.840 alway air dropping gyms. 2:23:29.240 --> 2:23:30.080 It's just a good time. 2:23:45.080 --> 2:23:48.560 This is it could happen here in Executive Disorder, our 2:23:48.640 --> 2:23:51.200 weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the 2:23:51.240 --> 2:23:53.160 crumbling world, and what it means for you. 2:23:53.400 --> 2:23:54.959 I'm Garrison Davis today. 2:23:54.959 --> 2:23:58.960 I'm joined by Sophie Lichtermann, James Stout, and Robert Evans. 2:23:59.480 --> 2:24:01.920 This episode, we're covering the week of February fourth to 2:24:02.080 --> 2:24:07.320 February eleventh. It was the Super Bowl. Wasn't that fun? 2:24:07.720 --> 2:24:10.560 I heard it was streaming on Peacock this year, so 2:24:10.640 --> 2:24:13.120 I built it up my Peacock account, went to the 2:24:13.120 --> 2:24:17.960 sports section and was surprised at how few Americans there 2:24:18.000 --> 2:24:22.039 were and how many other flags there were. And I 2:24:22.040 --> 2:24:25.280 do not remember this much skating typically at previous the 2:24:25.320 --> 2:24:29.720 previous Super Bowl shows or the ski jumping, But I 2:24:29.720 --> 2:24:31.760 mean I was it was still fun to watch people compete. 2:24:32.080 --> 2:24:32.480 Uh huh. 2:24:32.560 --> 2:24:35.279 Yeah, this is because I was watching the Winter Olympics. 2:24:35.280 --> 2:24:38.120 Get it it's I did, I did, I did get it. 2:24:38.120 --> 2:24:40.320 Good work gear, no fun stuff. 2:24:40.520 --> 2:24:42.920 What's your favorite Winter Olympics? And Lane Garrison as a. 2:24:42.879 --> 2:24:45.520 Canadian, Honestly, the ski jumping is pretty exciting. 2:24:45.600 --> 2:24:48.039 They really fly, Yeah, they do. 2:24:48.240 --> 2:24:50.800 That video of that guy that went viral that did 2:24:50.879 --> 2:24:55.160 like a under six minute mile on skis uphill. 2:24:54.800 --> 2:24:55.640 Yeah, going uphill. 2:24:56.120 --> 2:24:56.880 It's crazy to me. 2:24:56.920 --> 2:25:00.920 Clear he's not going for a mile, like, he just 2:25:00.959 --> 2:25:03.760 goes uphill, like the whole course is like a mile. Ash. 2:25:03.800 --> 2:25:07.400 Well yeah, still cross country skis having insane v O 2:25:07.480 --> 2:25:10.120 two maxes cross country ski when I get the chance. 2:25:10.200 --> 2:25:12.080 It's fun. But they don't go that fast. 2:25:12.440 --> 2:25:12.959 But no, we do. 2:25:13.080 --> 2:25:15.600 We do need to discuss this. The actual super Bowl 2:25:15.640 --> 2:25:19.800 halftime show actually, well no, not the actual one, the 2:25:19.840 --> 2:25:23.440 other one. Yeah, the All American halftime show. 2:25:24.120 --> 2:25:27.840 Maybe I'll just say the kid who Bad Bunny gave 2:25:27.920 --> 2:25:30.240 his Grammy too was not the same child who you 2:25:30.280 --> 2:25:32.600 saw being abducted by Ice in a little blue bunny hat. 2:25:33.560 --> 2:25:36.840 It was supposed to symbolize a young beneath him. 2:25:37.080 --> 2:25:39.760 Yes, yeah, yeah, not anything else. 2:25:40.000 --> 2:25:40.840 It really was not. 2:25:41.640 --> 2:25:44.480 There was a lot of underlying messages in that show 2:25:45.160 --> 2:25:46.440 that were very important. 2:25:46.480 --> 2:25:47.400 But it would be weird. 2:25:47.800 --> 2:25:49.960 It would be weird if he put in a kid 2:25:50.040 --> 2:25:52.000 that looked like the five year old that was abducted 2:25:52.040 --> 2:25:54.240 in prison by Ice to give him a grammy. 2:25:55.120 --> 2:25:58.520 That would have been really would not have been a 2:25:59.080 --> 2:26:01.880 cool move. Yeah, that would that would have been bad. 2:26:02.640 --> 2:26:04.640 Just to say it was a great halftime show. I 2:26:04.720 --> 2:26:05.480 enjoyed it thoroughly. 2:26:06.400 --> 2:26:11.480 And now here's a clip of the All American halftime show, 2:26:11.560 --> 2:26:20.040 the real halftime show, our favorite Kid Rock. Ready, whoa, 2:26:21.760 --> 2:26:24.160 somebody makes some motherfucking. 2:26:23.520 --> 2:26:30.520 Noise in here. There's nobody there. 2:26:31.480 --> 2:26:33.280 This is not This is not from the show. This 2:26:33.320 --> 2:26:35.640 is from Silicon Valley. This was This was a joke 2:26:35.680 --> 2:26:38.280 that they did on the TV show Silicon Valley, which 2:26:38.360 --> 2:26:43.480 looks almost exactly like hilarious the Turning Point halftime show. 2:26:43.480 --> 2:26:45.800 I'm about to say, I didn't hear that aside from 2:26:45.800 --> 2:26:48.800 the Jewels the I thought that was a new angle. 2:26:49.080 --> 2:26:51.280 They did have more people in the crowd, but they 2:26:51.280 --> 2:26:53.360 were hired actors, But they did have more people in 2:26:53.400 --> 2:26:53.760 the crowd. 2:26:53.840 --> 2:26:54.960 Shockingly lines up. 2:26:55.040 --> 2:26:58.800 Our colleague Molly Hunger described his outfit as needed to 2:26:58.920 --> 2:27:01.040 run out the home deep bo to pick up us 2:27:01.080 --> 2:27:02.480 part for something. 2:27:04.640 --> 2:27:08.320 He's in like shorts and has a wristbracer. 2:27:11.760 --> 2:27:14.520 It's great, We'll get to Kid Rock in a sec. 2:27:14.680 --> 2:27:18.520 But let's start at the beginning. While watching the Turning 2:27:18.520 --> 2:27:20.880 Point stream, there was no indication where the show is 2:27:20.920 --> 2:27:24.440 being broadcast from or whether it was live but four 2:27:24.440 --> 2:27:27.280 performers saying back to back to back, indicating the show 2:27:27.320 --> 2:27:30.480 was cut together from previously taped performances. Yes, the venue 2:27:30.600 --> 2:27:35.039 was this dark, narrow, rectangular room with high ceilings and 2:27:35.080 --> 2:27:37.920 studio lights. In the middle was a long stage with 2:27:38.000 --> 2:27:40.880 a small audience on either side, maybe torch people tops. 2:27:41.520 --> 2:27:45.400 But the show was introduced by none other than Jack Pisobek, 2:27:45.800 --> 2:27:47.440 which I will show now. 2:27:48.040 --> 2:27:52.520 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Turning Point USA All 2:27:52.680 --> 2:27:54.760 American Halftime Show. 2:27:55.160 --> 2:27:57.879 And this one's for you, Charlie. 2:28:01.480 --> 2:28:04.119 Great stuff. So they stuff. 2:28:04.080 --> 2:28:07.120 Four hundred and forty six down votes on rumble h 2:28:07.760 --> 2:28:08.280 that's rough. 2:28:08.760 --> 2:28:12.280 Yeah, yeah, and I watched this. I will admit I 2:28:12.320 --> 2:28:15.240 watched it after the actual halftime show because it was 2:28:15.800 --> 2:28:18.400 on YouTube and there was no reason to actually catch 2:28:18.400 --> 2:28:20.120 it during the Super Bowl. And by the way, the 2:28:20.160 --> 2:28:22.720 viewership number suggests that most people who did catch it 2:28:23.120 --> 2:28:24.840 watched it after the Super Bowl. 2:28:25.040 --> 2:28:26.959 Yes, because it's weird. 2:28:26.760 --> 2:28:29.520 To pause or turn off the sound in the middle 2:28:29.560 --> 2:28:31.480 of the Super Bowl and pull up like a laptop 2:28:31.600 --> 2:28:35.120 or something to go watch the fucking Turning Point USA show. 2:28:35.560 --> 2:28:39.640 Yeah, it's really cumbersome, really really anti social behavior at 2:28:39.640 --> 2:28:42.400 the super Bowl party. To turn off the stream, plug 2:28:42.400 --> 2:28:45.040 in your laptop, go to rumble dot com. 2:28:45.160 --> 2:28:47.760 If you are doing that, your kids have not talked 2:28:47.800 --> 2:28:51.880 to you longer than they've been alive, Like they abandoned 2:28:51.920 --> 2:28:53.160 you before they were born. 2:28:53.280 --> 2:28:56.920 Well, parsident Trump watched the actual Super Bowl halftime show. 2:28:57.080 --> 2:29:00.360 Sure he did, there's photos of him watch it. 2:29:00.800 --> 2:29:03.840 He knows that this is loser shit. It's it's just 2:29:03.959 --> 2:29:07.160 about the loserst loser ship that I have ever seen. 2:29:07.360 --> 2:29:11.120 And right after Jack Besovic introduced it, it cuts to this. 2:29:11.200 --> 2:29:13.360 You've got this black stage and there's like an amp 2:29:13.520 --> 2:29:16.400 on the stage and a guy walks up to it 2:29:16.400 --> 2:29:16.920 with a guitar. 2:29:17.120 --> 2:29:21.720 Not a guy Brandley Gilbert. Okay, that's Bentley. Okay, that's 2:29:21.800 --> 2:29:25.200 that's Brentley. I was going to introduce his name afterwards. 2:29:25.440 --> 2:29:30.080 But Garrison, you miss something important because Brandley Gilbert's band 2:29:30.640 --> 2:29:34.000 is where this guy is from. But the all electric 2:29:34.080 --> 2:29:37.440 guitar performance of the Star Spangled Banner is led by 2:29:37.480 --> 2:29:39.640 the great guitarist Spencer wohsdor. 2:29:41.120 --> 2:29:42.199 Wow, who. 2:29:44.400 --> 2:29:50.959 Where are they finding these guys in Brandley Gilbert's band, Garrison, 2:29:51.400 --> 2:29:53.160 This all sounds like and I think. 2:29:52.959 --> 2:29:54.240 You should leave sketch. 2:29:55.680 --> 2:29:57.279 I'm making up these names. 2:29:57.320 --> 2:29:59.720 The whole performance was that. I think you should leave sketch. 2:30:00.120 --> 2:30:02.720 But no, it's beautiful electric guitar riff of the Star 2:30:02.760 --> 2:30:03.520 Spangled Banner. 2:30:06.560 --> 2:30:09.120 No, I got a clip to play because there's a 2:30:09.160 --> 2:30:13.000 moment here. They had pyrotechnics during the show, like the 2:30:13.040 --> 2:30:16.560 real show had, but they're not good. They were better 2:30:16.640 --> 2:30:20.240 for the kid rock performance. For the electric guitars, they're 2:30:20.280 --> 2:30:22.600 just kind of sad and they make a sad, little 2:30:22.680 --> 2:30:27.160 popping sound. Well, again, a single man is playing guitar. 2:30:27.400 --> 2:30:30.920 Stay Jimmy Hendricks played the Star Spangled Banner on guitar, 2:30:30.959 --> 2:30:32.760 but he was good at playing guitars. But he was 2:30:32.800 --> 2:30:36.160 one of the best guitar players. Yeah, yeah, different. It 2:30:36.200 --> 2:30:39.200 does seem like a high yardstick. They've chosen to measure themselves. 2:30:39.600 --> 2:30:41.400 We'll talk about that in a second, but I gotta 2:30:41.440 --> 2:30:43.480 show you guys. You just need to see the pop 2:30:43.480 --> 2:30:46.080 of these pyro technics just for a second, and you, 2:30:46.160 --> 2:31:00.760 the listener needs to hear it. 2:31:00.760 --> 2:31:03.800 It's giving village fyworks shit. 2:31:05.320 --> 2:31:05.360 It. 2:31:06.959 --> 2:31:08.440 Yeah, Oh that's beautiful. 2:31:08.480 --> 2:31:10.200 It's great. I don't know what you're talking about. I 2:31:10.200 --> 2:31:10.720 loved it. 2:31:11.080 --> 2:31:14.280 Per what you were saying earlier. There's a New York 2:31:14.360 --> 2:31:18.400 Times article for Fox's sake that the original title it 2:31:18.480 --> 2:31:21.760 was published under was the All American Halftime featured an 2:31:21.760 --> 2:31:28.360 electric anthem, unlike Kendricks. Now they changed that title in 2:31:28.440 --> 2:31:31.920 the reporter's notebook article to what does a whaling electric 2:31:31.959 --> 2:31:36.480 take on the Star Spangled Banner mean? 2:31:36.720 --> 2:31:38.520 I'm glad that they are getting to the core of 2:31:38.560 --> 2:31:41.600 the issues the publication that ignored all my pitches about 2:31:41.640 --> 2:31:42.840 me and math for several years. 2:31:43.080 --> 2:31:46.080 Yeah, no, it's good. This is much more important. Let's 2:31:46.080 --> 2:31:48.039 listen to a quote from this article that I think 2:31:48.080 --> 2:31:50.000 we can all agree it matters much more than a 2:31:50.040 --> 2:31:54.119 war in musical terms. Wasdorp's version of the Star Spangled 2:31:54.160 --> 2:31:57.520 Banner was conservative too. Despite the bent notes and feedback, 2:31:57.560 --> 2:32:00.360 it largely stuck to the melody and conveyed it reference 2:32:00.400 --> 2:32:02.200 to stubborn form of patriotism. 2:32:05.760 --> 2:32:07.640 I don't know, I kind of loved it. What do 2:32:07.680 --> 2:32:08.840 you mean, you know it's terrible. 2:32:08.879 --> 2:32:09.560 It's terrible. 2:32:10.280 --> 2:32:11.760 Hard watch hard ball. 2:32:11.959 --> 2:32:14.879 That was the best part of it. I hate to 2:32:14.879 --> 2:32:18.200 say it, but unfortunately the pyrotechnics were basically competent for 2:32:18.240 --> 2:32:20.800 the Kid Rock Show, which might have been the only 2:32:20.879 --> 2:32:22.520 competent part of the kid rock Show. 2:32:22.600 --> 2:32:23.920 Yeah, I want to hate the kid rock Show. 2:32:23.959 --> 2:32:24.240 I haven't. 2:32:25.080 --> 2:32:27.640 I think there's some other hits from this from this show, though, 2:32:27.879 --> 2:32:33.520 including including Brandley Gilbert's second song, which starts as a 2:32:33.560 --> 2:32:39.160 slow acoustic ballad and then abruptly changes into whatever this is. 2:32:39.440 --> 2:32:40.800 Jay, maybe we. 2:32:40.760 --> 2:32:45.000 Can learn how to kids and watch include now as 2:32:45.080 --> 2:32:45.680 false and he. 2:32:45.720 --> 2:32:48.320 Says, saying, what you have Rover spread like that? 2:32:48.520 --> 2:32:49.920 Who saw the yallow nose? 2:32:52.200 --> 2:32:53.080 He's trying to rock. 2:32:53.480 --> 2:32:54.360 He's trying to rock. 2:32:55.160 --> 2:32:58.720 He is, he is trying, he is, he is trying 2:32:59.640 --> 2:33:02.200 faults he said. She said, I'm not going to read 2:33:02.240 --> 2:33:04.279 into what those lyrics are trying to express. 2:33:04.360 --> 2:33:04.680 Slow. 2:33:05.200 --> 2:33:07.680 But that was the second song I do. I want 2:33:07.680 --> 2:33:10.360 to skip to the third act, which is Lee Brice. 2:33:11.400 --> 2:33:15.360 He started his second song by saying, quote, Charlie gave 2:33:15.400 --> 2:33:18.400 people microphone so that they could say what was on 2:33:18.440 --> 2:33:22.119 their mind. This is what's on mine. And this next 2:33:22.120 --> 2:33:26.360 song starts like a parody of a conservative country song. 2:33:26.680 --> 2:33:27.840 Here's here's the beginning. 2:33:28.640 --> 2:33:33.560 I just want to catch my fish, drive my true, drink. 2:33:33.360 --> 2:33:38.560 My beer, not wake up all this stuff. 2:33:41.480 --> 2:33:43.200 I just want to catch my fish. 2:33:43.480 --> 2:33:46.360 I'm just a little teary eyed. Honestly, just listen to that. 2:33:50.040 --> 2:33:53.200 The next part is cons the next line. 2:33:53.959 --> 2:33:55.640 Okay, I'm coming at this rule. 2:33:56.080 --> 2:33:58.440 This is the next line of the song. The same 2:33:58.560 --> 2:34:02.119 kind of gun I hunt with just killed another man. 2:34:02.680 --> 2:34:04.680 The only thing mine ever shot? 2:34:05.160 --> 2:34:05.320 Was it? 2:34:05.520 --> 2:34:09.879 Dear from a deer stand? That's the next Sloty. 2:34:09.560 --> 2:34:11.520 Are you including that man? 2:34:11.600 --> 2:34:12.040 Miracle? 2:34:12.840 --> 2:34:15.600 Why would you do that in a song? And the 2:34:15.640 --> 2:34:18.560 way he sings it is so bizarre, it's. 2:34:18.400 --> 2:34:20.560 It's it's about Charlie Cook. 2:34:20.680 --> 2:34:21.680 I would like to hear it. 2:34:22.000 --> 2:34:23.680 Oh, I'm just realizing. 2:34:23.440 --> 2:34:27.039 What the same kind of gone a hunt will just 2:34:27.200 --> 2:34:33.640 cute the only thing I shot? What is he doing? 2:34:35.400 --> 2:34:35.560 Why? 2:34:37.000 --> 2:34:39.440 The gun violence problem is bad enough that he has 2:34:39.480 --> 2:34:44.200 to like make a comment about it existing and being depressing. 2:34:44.600 --> 2:34:47.600 He has to do that, but then immediately because the 2:34:47.640 --> 2:34:50.680 next bit after this, the most of the song is 2:34:50.680 --> 2:34:53.439 basically about I don't want to listen to the news, correct. 2:34:53.120 --> 2:34:55.279 Like I don't want to I don't want to watch. 2:34:55.120 --> 2:34:58.840 Things that remind me very The very next verse, yeah, 2:34:59.440 --> 2:35:01.760 I just want to to cut my grass, feed my dog, 2:35:01.840 --> 2:35:04.920 wear my boots, not turn the TV on and sit 2:35:05.040 --> 2:35:06.039 and watch the news. 2:35:06.200 --> 2:35:08.119 That's an option for you, Like you can do that. 2:35:08.480 --> 2:35:10.920 I was gonna say, that's very doable, friend. 2:35:10.840 --> 2:35:13.200 That's entirely doable for you folks. 2:35:13.280 --> 2:35:14.000 You could do that. 2:35:14.360 --> 2:35:16.200 And I'm sure he is. But this is what he's 2:35:16.240 --> 2:35:17.840 scared of hearing on the news. 2:35:18.680 --> 2:35:24.199 Told Fatal the little boys a little girl. 2:35:24.400 --> 2:35:26.280 Yeah, there it is. 2:35:28.600 --> 2:35:30.840 This yours. 2:35:34.480 --> 2:35:37.119 Of the creek, and discancel your ass world. 2:35:37.800 --> 2:35:38.560 But then he said it. 2:35:38.720 --> 2:35:40.920 He put it in a sum Oh my god, I 2:35:40.920 --> 2:35:41.600 almost choke. 2:35:41.760 --> 2:35:41.960 Wow. 2:35:42.400 --> 2:35:46.040 Yeah again, man, you're you're being paid to sing about this. 2:35:46.760 --> 2:35:47.440 It's amazing. 2:35:47.560 --> 2:35:49.600 In fact, it's your job because it's it's you know 2:35:49.680 --> 2:35:52.840 that a few musical abilities. It's your it's your presumably 2:35:52.959 --> 2:35:53.920 well paid job. 2:35:55.080 --> 2:35:58.480 The whole repeated refrain of the song is it's not 2:35:58.720 --> 2:36:02.959 so easy being cut in this country nowadays that you guys. 2:36:02.840 --> 2:36:03.600 Are in charge. 2:36:03.959 --> 2:36:04.560 Entire song. 2:36:05.160 --> 2:36:08.920 Question, question, who is at this event? How many people? 2:36:09.400 --> 2:36:10.040 Where is it? 2:36:10.440 --> 2:36:13.400 About two hundred paid attendees in Atlanta, Georgia at a 2:36:13.480 --> 2:36:14.439 sound stage. 2:36:14.240 --> 2:36:17.840 Paid attendees, paid attendees cucial Yeah. 2:36:17.959 --> 2:36:21.480 Okay, a lot of like fresh stetsons and like unbroken 2:36:21.560 --> 2:36:22.600 in boots in the audience. 2:36:22.640 --> 2:36:26.000 Maybe so many cowboy hats in the audience. You don't understand. 2:36:26.560 --> 2:36:28.400 It's like a bar in Jackson, Wyoming. 2:36:28.520 --> 2:36:31.000 I get the vibe, so many of them, and you're like, 2:36:31.160 --> 2:36:34.400 you're in Atlanta. Not many people wear cowboy hats in Atlanta. 2:36:34.480 --> 2:36:37.520 I'm sorry. That's it's not like Texas or Oklahoma. 2:36:38.160 --> 2:36:40.280 Yeah, no, I love. I love to see someone in 2:36:40.400 --> 2:36:41.800 a freshly purchased setting. 2:36:42.120 --> 2:36:45.440 The next song, after this, after this country one, well, 2:36:45.560 --> 2:36:47.840 they're all country songs, but like the next song is 2:36:47.959 --> 2:36:50.800 what I think is a love song that that goes 2:36:50.920 --> 2:36:55.160 quote sometimes I drink too much. Sometimes I test your trust. 2:36:55.520 --> 2:36:58.520 Sometimes I don't know why you stay with me. I'm 2:36:58.640 --> 2:37:04.720 hard to love, which, yeah, that's related to the last 2:37:04.879 --> 2:37:09.480 song you were singing. Maybe a little bit about about 2:37:09.560 --> 2:37:16.160 bullying your children. Wow, sick oh man. But finally, finally 2:37:16.480 --> 2:37:18.920 the main act, right, Well, what we've all been waiting for, 2:37:19.280 --> 2:37:21.720 kid kid rock. I'm gonna play a little over a 2:37:21.800 --> 2:37:23.960 minute for us. We're not gonna include all of this 2:37:24.080 --> 2:37:26.600 in the episode. We're just gonna we're just gonna include 2:37:26.640 --> 2:37:29.120 the I Am a kid section. But I do need 2:37:29.200 --> 2:37:30.640 to show show this all to James. 2:37:30.720 --> 2:37:33.280 Yeah, because this is fun. I think a lot about 2:37:33.320 --> 2:37:37.040 Like there's that Steve Goodman parody country song that you 2:37:37.080 --> 2:37:41.920 couldn't write today because it's better musically and less ridiculous 2:37:42.040 --> 2:37:45.000 than the actual country songs that we're hearing. 2:37:45.640 --> 2:37:46.680 All right, James, are you ready? 2:37:46.760 --> 2:37:56.520 Always I've never seen it before. 2:38:01.200 --> 2:38:04.280 Now that's enough. That's more than enough. 2:38:04.480 --> 2:38:05.680 There's a lot to talk about. 2:38:05.920 --> 2:38:07.120 Yeah, we got to unpack some of this. 2:38:07.480 --> 2:38:08.840 He was better at the rn C. 2:38:09.600 --> 2:38:13.199 He's flipping that. He's flipping that mic NonStop. He loves 2:38:13.280 --> 2:38:13.760 that move. 2:38:14.160 --> 2:38:16.200 But his name is But that's how we got the 2:38:16.240 --> 2:38:16.920 wrist injury. 2:38:17.959 --> 2:38:21.280 I will say the first guys to play had a 2:38:21.400 --> 2:38:23.920 mic with a pair of brass knuckles built into it, 2:38:24.040 --> 2:38:26.240 which I did like, I think we do need a 2:38:26.360 --> 2:38:28.800 version of that. That's a full knuckle duster from World 2:38:28.879 --> 2:38:30.800 War One, so it's got the trench knife on the 2:38:30.879 --> 2:38:31.360 other side. 2:38:31.760 --> 2:38:35.800 Perfect. Yeah we can. Yeah, at least take a risk. 2:38:35.879 --> 2:38:37.080 Don't be a coward every time you. 2:38:37.080 --> 2:38:37.480 Fit them on. 2:38:37.800 --> 2:38:39.400 Take a risk, be a man. 2:38:41.200 --> 2:38:45.160 As the kid rock lights turn on, he explosively jumps 2:38:45.240 --> 2:38:49.280 onto the stage. White fur coat, acid washed jeans, black 2:38:49.320 --> 2:38:51.600 for Dora. Yeah, I used to be a piece of shit. 2:38:51.680 --> 2:38:55.400 It's jeans Garrison. These are jewelts that cut they are 2:38:55.440 --> 2:38:57.440 cut off a bunch of me jeorts and. 2:38:57.680 --> 2:39:01.680 Second correction, it was a white furute code vest. 2:39:01.800 --> 2:39:05.800 Yeah, it's a vest. And I should note also that 2:39:05.959 --> 2:39:09.240 his fedora did not have the safari flaps. I repeat, 2:39:09.360 --> 2:39:11.360 it did not have the safari flaps. 2:39:11.400 --> 2:39:15.640 But it's leather, like a shiny black leather, not a 2:39:15.680 --> 2:39:16.400 breatheable hat. 2:39:17.240 --> 2:39:19.600 It's it's beautiful. It's beautiful to see. It is, really, 2:39:20.120 --> 2:39:21.600 it really is, And I think you should leave sketch 2:39:21.680 --> 2:39:22.199 come to life. 2:39:22.400 --> 2:39:23.640 It's ok. 2:39:24.280 --> 2:39:26.560 He just she just jumps around. It's flipping that mic. 2:39:26.879 --> 2:39:30.160 How long does he perform? How many songs do we get? 2:39:30.840 --> 2:39:32.240 He gets like two or three songs? 2:39:32.320 --> 2:39:32.520 Yeah. 2:39:33.000 --> 2:39:33.200 None. 2:39:33.560 --> 2:39:36.000 None of the audio for this song matches what we're 2:39:36.040 --> 2:39:41.160 seeing on the sinking is totally off, leading a lot 2:39:41.200 --> 2:39:42.920 of people to suspect that that it was it was 2:39:43.000 --> 2:39:45.400 lip SYNCD on stage poorly. We'll get to that in 2:39:45.480 --> 2:39:49.080 a sec. But the next song began with a two 2:39:49.240 --> 2:39:53.000 minute prelude featuring the cello and violin. 2:39:53.560 --> 2:39:56.160 Which is it one of those like it's just the 2:39:56.240 --> 2:39:59.280 frame of a cello. Oh, James, you'll see I'm going 2:39:59.360 --> 2:40:06.080 to see it can offense to god, that's a real cello. Wow. 2:40:06.959 --> 2:40:10.400 Oh yeah, that's an interesting outfits. Dressed kind of like 2:40:11.320 --> 2:40:13.720 dressed like that. Yeah, one of the three Musketeers is 2:40:13.760 --> 2:40:15.959 playing cello. For those of you listening, get home, wait. 2:40:16.760 --> 2:40:19.680 Please welcome our brother Robert. 2:40:19.480 --> 2:40:27.800 Richie Robert Richard Ritchie is kid Rock his real government name. 2:40:29.040 --> 2:40:32.600 They reintroduced him under his legal name for the second song. 2:40:32.720 --> 2:40:36.480 Kid Rocks Are Not Born. There may those people who 2:40:36.520 --> 2:40:37.640 introduced him. What was there? 2:40:37.879 --> 2:40:38.720 That was it for them? 2:40:38.879 --> 2:40:39.240 Unclear? 2:40:39.360 --> 2:40:42.680 Okay, they only existed on screen to introduce kid Rock 2:40:43.080 --> 2:40:45.920 as kid Rock the first time, and then as rich Russell, 2:40:46.000 --> 2:40:50.000 Richie Russell whatever is Robert Richie, Robert Richie, whatever his 2:40:50.120 --> 2:40:52.840 real name is. That's the only time they appeared was 2:40:53.280 --> 2:40:57.320 to introduce kid Rock both times. Now, after the show, 2:40:57.360 --> 2:40:58.920 it was revealed this whole thing was pre taped on 2:40:58.920 --> 2:41:02.280 a sound stage Atlanta, and a few days later Kid 2:41:02.440 --> 2:41:05.480 Rock released a video addressing the rumors that his performance 2:41:05.600 --> 2:41:08.160 was lip SYNCD, which he denies. 2:41:08.640 --> 2:41:09.960 You know, we taped it and then they sent me 2:41:10.040 --> 2:41:13.880 a first cut, and my comment was, the sink is 2:41:14.000 --> 2:41:17.080 off they were trying to line up. First off, if 2:41:17.080 --> 2:41:19.119 we would have done it, if we would have recorded 2:41:19.160 --> 2:41:21.080 it and then and then played like we were singing it, 2:41:21.240 --> 2:41:21.840 lip synced it. 2:41:22.480 --> 2:41:24.400 It would have been Pie. It would have been Pie. 2:41:24.480 --> 2:41:27.320 The line up it was very difficult for them because 2:41:27.440 --> 2:41:30.880 somebody clearly wasn't super familiar with the song. Also, when 2:41:30.879 --> 2:41:32.920 I asked him, I go, you know, Freddy raps that 2:41:33.080 --> 2:41:35.520 song with me my DJ, And they're like he does what? 2:41:35.959 --> 2:41:38.640 And I'm like, oh no, I'm like, yeah, do we 2:41:38.720 --> 2:41:40.119 have any cutaways of Freddy? 2:41:40.760 --> 2:41:43.600 And and they know they didn't know. 2:41:44.080 --> 2:41:44.520 He wasn't. 2:41:45.320 --> 2:41:50.160 No, he didn't even line up any TV time. No, sorry, 2:41:53.920 --> 2:41:55.360 So they don't have that. 2:41:56.040 --> 2:41:58.640 Now it's extremely difficult for them to line up the 2:41:58.720 --> 2:42:00.080 sink could have been done if we. 2:42:00.120 --> 2:42:00.640 Had more time. 2:42:02.320 --> 2:42:07.080 Let's pour one out for Freddy DJ no screen time. 2:42:08.120 --> 2:42:11.560 So mister Rock said that Turning Play was having trouble 2:42:11.640 --> 2:42:13.440 lining up the audio with the visuals, in part because 2:42:13.480 --> 2:42:17.000 the song is actually performed vocally by two people going 2:42:17.120 --> 2:42:19.960 back and forth. Wow and Turning Point did not have 2:42:20.040 --> 2:42:22.280 a camera on the other vocalist. So that's why it 2:42:22.360 --> 2:42:26.920 looks weird when there's obviously vocals being heard, but mister 2:42:27.040 --> 2:42:28.040 Rock isn't singing. 2:42:28.560 --> 2:42:30.000 And again, the. 2:42:30.080 --> 2:42:32.600 Reason why no one at Turning Point is familiar with 2:42:32.720 --> 2:42:36.359 Kid Rocks music. Is that even they don't like Kid Rocks. 2:42:36.160 --> 2:42:40.560 Music, and mister Rock demonstrated how this is supposed to 2:42:40.760 --> 2:42:45.120 go in this video with with his DJ which we 2:42:45.920 --> 2:42:47.840 do need to see thirty seconds up. 2:42:48.280 --> 2:42:51.840 Thank you, Oh oh thanks scare care I love you 2:42:51.959 --> 2:42:55.640 so much. No, I'm sorry, Sophie. We need to have 2:42:55.680 --> 2:42:58.800 a conversation about this. This is in violation of several 2:42:58.879 --> 2:43:01.440 rules the company has that I just want to call 2:43:01.480 --> 2:43:04.080 out the fact that there is a pike behind them. 2:43:04.920 --> 2:43:08.000 Do you mean the fish that has been to Dermid Yeah, 2:43:08.760 --> 2:43:11.160 not what you normally expect. I would have expected the 2:43:11.200 --> 2:43:12.600 other kind of pike behind Garrett. 2:43:12.720 --> 2:43:16.120 No, that seems like mister Rock's abode. Actually, this feels 2:43:16.280 --> 2:43:17.280 very on brand for him. 2:43:17.640 --> 2:43:18.360 Is that a drone? 2:43:18.959 --> 2:43:21.879 No, that's that's a It's a deer antler turned into 2:43:21.920 --> 2:43:22.600 a candlestick. 2:43:22.680 --> 2:43:25.000 Yeah, it looks like a turned into a candlestick. 2:43:25.200 --> 2:43:28.640 Classy Okay maybe, although. 2:43:27.800 --> 2:43:29.520 From a distance it does kind of look like a 2:43:29.560 --> 2:43:31.440 bad three D printing of Deep Space nine. 2:43:31.720 --> 2:43:34.920 Yeah, it's Hookers, all Tricken, Mountain, holly Wood, It's one 2:43:35.120 --> 2:43:37.160 hoods of the world, miss understood. 2:43:37.240 --> 2:43:39.720 It's all good, it's all in fun. 2:43:47.000 --> 2:43:52.680 Oh damn, I'm not having a physical reaction. I've cringed 2:43:52.760 --> 2:43:54.680 with every muscle in my body. 2:43:55.920 --> 2:43:57.480 Here's how he explained how it's supposed to go. 2:43:58.400 --> 2:44:00.200 So he's stilling, you know those words for me? Why 2:44:00.200 --> 2:44:03.840 I can boom bang my head keep going and carrying on. 2:44:04.240 --> 2:44:05.640 Now when I'm doing that, you see me. I'm on 2:44:05.800 --> 2:44:07.520 over the stage. Who I'm flipping the mic? 2:44:07.600 --> 2:44:10.960 I'm down here, I'm over here, back boom. I know 2:44:11.080 --> 2:44:13.440 these guys at a difficult time getting that scene together. 2:44:14.040 --> 2:44:16.560 So I have nothing but good things to say, not 2:44:16.640 --> 2:44:19.360 only about Turning Point, but the production team that they 2:44:19.440 --> 2:44:21.240 work with on this and other events. 2:44:22.600 --> 2:44:25.040 My favorite part about live music is when you post 2:44:25.120 --> 2:44:28.640 a over four minute flip video explaining. 2:44:28.280 --> 2:44:31.440 How fifty second video about how it. 2:44:31.480 --> 2:44:35.120 Was supposed to go and explaining to people things that 2:44:35.240 --> 2:44:36.320 don't actually exist. 2:44:36.959 --> 2:44:39.480 No, his whole delivery sounds like good Tim Robinson bit. 2:44:39.560 --> 2:44:42.240 It's it's it's so beautiful, incredible. The Bad Bunny Hat 2:44:42.280 --> 2:44:44.840 Times show averaged one hundred and thirty five point four 2:44:44.920 --> 2:44:48.200 million viewers during the show's time slot, and Half Music 2:44:48.240 --> 2:44:51.120 claims it's now the most watched show in Super Bowl history. 2:44:51.520 --> 2:44:55.480 Me andwhile tpusa's show attracted upwards of six point one 2:44:55.560 --> 2:44:59.560 million concurrent live viewers on Turning Point USA's YouTube channel, 2:45:00.040 --> 2:45:02.400 Dude to licensing restrictions, Turning Point was unable to stream 2:45:02.440 --> 2:45:05.279 the show on x Everything app as they originally planned. 2:45:05.040 --> 2:45:07.519 Which got announced like an hour before. 2:45:07.400 --> 2:45:07.959 Right before. 2:45:08.200 --> 2:45:10.080 But that's probably why they didn't hit one hundred and 2:45:10.120 --> 2:45:12.280 thirty five million, because one hundred and twenty nine of 2:45:12.320 --> 2:45:12.920 them were waiting. 2:45:13.160 --> 2:45:14.400 Otherwise they would have got it. 2:45:14.600 --> 2:45:15.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 2:45:15.800 --> 2:45:18.440 The All American Halftime Show now boasts twenty three million 2:45:18.480 --> 2:45:21.840 views on their YouTube and Rumble pages combined. The Bad 2:45:21.879 --> 2:45:24.080 Bunny Show is seventy million. A lot of these views 2:45:24.120 --> 2:45:27.680 are also people like me and other other researchers. Yeah 2:45:27.760 --> 2:45:30.280 for sure, and it gives me curious Americans who are 2:45:30.840 --> 2:45:32.800 who are interested in what they had to throw together. 2:45:33.240 --> 2:45:36.040 But a footage from inside Trump's Super Bowl party shows 2:45:36.080 --> 2:45:38.640 that even he did not turn into the All American 2:45:38.720 --> 2:45:47.000 halftime shown me Mimo comfio. Now it's time for you 2:45:47.200 --> 2:46:02.480 to tune into these ads. Shall we do the real 2:46:02.560 --> 2:46:03.000 news now? 2:46:05.000 --> 2:46:06.560 Sure? So. 2:46:07.200 --> 2:46:10.720 On a Monday, February ninth, twenty twenty six, about three 2:46:10.800 --> 2:46:13.400 days before we recorded this, there was a student led 2:46:13.480 --> 2:46:18.000 walkout protesting federal immigration arrests and protesting in large part 2:46:18.120 --> 2:46:22.879 last year's massive ice actions in Chicago, and students from 2:46:22.959 --> 2:46:26.720 a number of different high schools walked out. This included 2:46:26.840 --> 2:46:30.560 students from East Aurora High School, where there was a 2:46:30.760 --> 2:46:34.560 notable clash. Is the word or skirmish is the word? 2:46:34.640 --> 2:46:34.680 Like? 2:46:34.760 --> 2:46:37.600 Skirmish is what Shaw Local News described it as between 2:46:37.680 --> 2:46:41.040 protesters and police. There's video, and at least from the 2:46:41.200 --> 2:46:43.560 limited clip of video we have, I wouldn't call it 2:46:43.640 --> 2:46:45.800 a skirmish. I would call it police getting pissed and 2:46:45.800 --> 2:46:48.400 assaulting some kids. But we don't see the rest of 2:46:48.440 --> 2:46:50.120 the interaction. This is apparently something that went on for 2:46:50.160 --> 2:46:52.160 a couple of hours, so I don't know what led 2:46:52.320 --> 2:46:55.200 up to this. I can tell you the video shows 2:46:55.280 --> 2:46:58.120 what looks like some high school kids walking in kind 2:46:58.160 --> 2:47:00.600 of a line outside of their high school. There's some 2:47:00.680 --> 2:47:03.280 police by. The police are clearly talking to or maybe 2:47:03.360 --> 2:47:05.800 yelling at, one of the kids, and then as the 2:47:05.920 --> 2:47:09.160 video comes in, an officer just charges in and tackles 2:47:09.480 --> 2:47:13.880 hard like a running tackle, a teenage boy, like a 2:47:14.080 --> 2:47:17.720 child smaller than him, which leads to several other police 2:47:17.720 --> 2:47:21.680 officers grabbing kids. At least one student punches a police 2:47:21.720 --> 2:47:24.480 officer in the head while the officer is on top 2:47:24.560 --> 2:47:27.920 of his friend beating his friend. The police only responded 2:47:27.959 --> 2:47:29.560 by saying, like, look, you know, we had to act. 2:47:29.680 --> 2:47:32.600 A student punched a police officer. From the Shaw Local article, 2:47:32.600 --> 2:47:34.360 the police department said the officer who was punched was 2:47:34.360 --> 2:47:37.240 transported to a local hospital for medical attention for his injuries. 2:47:37.560 --> 2:47:40.400 They don't show he and his colleagues like literally tackling 2:47:40.560 --> 2:47:44.080 kids first, yeh, before they get hit. If somebody tackles 2:47:44.160 --> 2:47:46.680 my friend next to me, I might start punching. That's 2:47:46.800 --> 2:47:47.280 just life. 2:47:47.560 --> 2:47:48.400 Yeah, And. 2:47:49.879 --> 2:47:52.720 This is kind of an ongoing story at the moment. 2:47:52.800 --> 2:47:56.080 I don't know like what's going to wind up being 2:47:56.120 --> 2:47:59.439 the result of this, but it inspired, at least initially 2:48:00.560 --> 2:48:03.280 a lot of anger and there have been further protests 2:48:03.280 --> 2:48:06.600 as a result of the police violence. Students in the 2:48:06.760 --> 2:48:09.800 area are now demanding the resignation of the police chief 2:48:09.879 --> 2:48:14.440 in East Aurora. The police have not really like acknowledged 2:48:14.600 --> 2:48:16.879 those demands yet. I don't know if this is going 2:48:16.920 --> 2:48:19.560 to turn into like a larger protest movement. There's some 2:48:19.920 --> 2:48:22.520 signs that maybe it will, that there may be further walkouts, 2:48:22.560 --> 2:48:25.240 specifically as a result of the police violence. But this 2:48:25.400 --> 2:48:28.720 is a situation we will be watching obviously seeing police 2:48:29.480 --> 2:48:33.600 violently beating kids for you know, speaking for doing the 2:48:33.640 --> 2:48:35.120 thing they should be doing at high school, which is 2:48:35.160 --> 2:48:38.720 experimenting with believing things and taking stands. Yeah, so we'll 2:48:38.760 --> 2:48:41.720 be watching this to see kind of what results next. 2:48:41.840 --> 2:48:43.920 But that's that's sort of where we are at the moment. 2:48:44.240 --> 2:48:46.959 Yeah, that video, it's pretty brutal. Let's talk a little 2:48:46.959 --> 2:48:50.280 bit more about some immigration stuff. Let's start with uh, 2:48:50.400 --> 2:48:54.120 let's start with police in shall we? I have reviewed 2:48:54.120 --> 2:48:56.960 the police report for the ice officer who in late 2:48:57.040 --> 2:49:01.119 January negligently discharged he's issued handgun in a hotel room. 2:49:01.680 --> 2:49:07.080 Bradley's shaver was attempting to fix a backstrap from his glock. 2:49:08.280 --> 2:49:11.160 I'll quote the report here quote with his back facing 2:49:11.240 --> 2:49:14.199 Room three twenty, and the firearm pointed in the area 2:49:14.240 --> 2:49:17.280 of Bradley's torso he attempted to remove the backstrap that 2:49:17.400 --> 2:49:19.440 was currently on the firearm while it was still loaded. 2:49:19.760 --> 2:49:23.840 At some point, the firearm discharged. Luckily, the occupant of 2:49:23.920 --> 2:49:26.480 that room had just checked into the hotel and was 2:49:26.600 --> 2:49:29.600 walking to their room when the shot was fired, so 2:49:30.040 --> 2:49:33.119 there was no one injured. I will quote again from 2:49:33.120 --> 2:49:36.879 the report. Initially, the agent thought the gunshot came from 2:49:36.920 --> 2:49:40.320 somewhere else, and he yelled shots fired, and then told 2:49:40.400 --> 2:49:42.680 his wife he had to go and hang up. Shaper 2:49:42.760 --> 2:49:44.560 then felt heat on the left side of his body, 2:49:44.640 --> 2:49:46.720 looked down and saw the damage to his shirt and 2:49:46.840 --> 2:49:50.240 realized the shot had come from his own weapon. He 2:49:50.320 --> 2:49:52.879 said the round went through his sweatshirt and the shirt underneath, 2:49:52.920 --> 2:49:55.440 but did not penetrate his under armed compression layer or 2:49:55.640 --> 2:49:58.680 injure him. It seems like this person was attending to 2:49:58.840 --> 2:50:05.000 repair or remove apart from his gun that was still loaded, 2:50:05.360 --> 2:50:08.280 and he didn't think to unload the gun. 2:50:08.840 --> 2:50:11.760 All of this is stuff you shouldn't do, right. Yeah, 2:50:12.280 --> 2:50:16.120 you have to check before you do stuff to a 2:50:16.200 --> 2:50:19.320 gun to make sure it's unloaded. And even when you've 2:50:19.440 --> 2:50:21.720 checked to make sure it's unloaded, you should still act 2:50:21.879 --> 2:50:24.840 like it's loaded and do stuff like not have your 2:50:24.879 --> 2:50:27.120 finger on the trigger and make sure it's clear of 2:50:27.240 --> 2:50:29.880 a holster so that there's nothing that like, especially like 2:50:29.920 --> 2:50:32.000 a leather holster, or maybe stuff could get bowed in 2:50:32.160 --> 2:50:34.320 and pull the trigger. You just don't do any of 2:50:34.360 --> 2:50:37.400 the things he was doing with a gun, especially if 2:50:37.440 --> 2:50:40.160 you're a cop. But also you do all the things 2:50:40.200 --> 2:50:41.680 he did with a gun if you're a cop, because 2:50:41.720 --> 2:50:42.880 this happens regularly. 2:50:43.400 --> 2:50:47.000 Yeah, this case a thirty year veteran who had just 2:50:47.120 --> 2:50:50.200 returned after two years of retirement. I want to talk 2:50:50.240 --> 2:50:53.320 a little bit now about Liam Conejo Ramos. This is 2:50:53.520 --> 2:50:56.280 the five year old who was detained in Minneapolis last month. 2:50:56.720 --> 2:50:59.600 People will remember seeing images of him in like a 2:50:59.720 --> 2:51:03.720 blue bunny hat. Liam and his father were detained on 2:51:03.760 --> 2:51:07.520 the twentieth of January in his driveway after returning from school. 2:51:08.720 --> 2:51:12.160 They were order released by Judge Fred Berry, who wrote 2:51:12.200 --> 2:51:15.160 in his order quote, observing human behavior confirms that for 2:51:15.240 --> 2:51:18.560 some among us, the perfidious lust for unbridled power and 2:51:18.640 --> 2:51:21.600 the imposition of cruelty in its quest know no bounds 2:51:21.720 --> 2:51:24.720 and are bereft of human decency, and the rule of 2:51:24.840 --> 2:51:28.119 law be damned. You could tell the judge was incredibly 2:51:28.160 --> 2:51:29.800 pissed off at the government. Now put it that way. 2:51:30.440 --> 2:51:34.359 DHS then attempted to expedite the removal of Conejo Ramos 2:51:34.400 --> 2:51:38.080 and his family that the family were granted a continuance 2:51:38.200 --> 2:51:41.840 by his judge. Liam and his father His father is 2:51:41.920 --> 2:51:45.760 Adlian and Cornehio Adias or adiyas I've seen like various 2:51:46.480 --> 2:51:50.840 permutations of his father's name. I think perhaps because some 2:51:50.959 --> 2:51:54.640 people doing reporting are not familiar with how last names 2:51:54.680 --> 2:51:58.400 are generally configured in the Spanish speaking world, so I'm 2:51:58.400 --> 2:52:00.200 not quite sure how his last name is pronounced. But 2:52:01.000 --> 2:52:04.039 Liam and his father entered in December of twenty twenty 2:52:04.360 --> 2:52:08.520 four when they were detained, they were detained at Dilly. 2:52:08.959 --> 2:52:13.560 Dilly is a detention center for families, right. It is 2:52:13.760 --> 2:52:16.280 a place that I have reported on before. In my 2:52:16.600 --> 2:52:20.160 Dardian follow up series, I spoke about Primrose and Kimberly, 2:52:20.200 --> 2:52:23.320 who were both detained at Dilly, and they went into 2:52:23.400 --> 2:52:26.680 some detail about the conditions there. I'm glad to see 2:52:26.800 --> 2:52:30.640 that Dilly is getting more attention in sort of bigger, 2:52:31.000 --> 2:52:32.360 more legacy media outlets. 2:52:32.440 --> 2:52:32.560 Now. 2:52:33.600 --> 2:52:36.440 I also saw that there was a protest at Dilly, 2:52:36.760 --> 2:52:39.480 seemingly while Liam was there. And we can see this 2:52:39.520 --> 2:52:41.800 because of drone footage of people walking out of the 2:52:41.840 --> 2:52:46.199 buildings and assembling in sort of spaces in between the buildings, 2:52:46.440 --> 2:52:49.520 and they can be heard chanting in some of that footage. Now, 2:52:49.600 --> 2:52:52.720 when to move on to something I've seen DHS doing recently, 2:52:52.800 --> 2:52:56.760 which is they're trying to push back against the evidence 2:52:56.920 --> 2:53:00.560 that they are using schools and children a bait to 2:53:00.640 --> 2:53:01.800 detain non citizens. 2:53:01.879 --> 2:53:02.000 Right. 2:53:02.440 --> 2:53:05.600 I just spoke about how Liam was detained. Right. It 2:53:05.720 --> 2:53:08.439 was the fact that he was at school that allowed 2:53:08.520 --> 2:53:12.680 those agents to target his father. Right. I believe they 2:53:12.800 --> 2:53:15.119 got Liam to knock on the door and his dad 2:53:15.200 --> 2:53:18.120 came out, which obviously was part of the reason that 2:53:18.320 --> 2:53:22.400 this particular intens was so controversial. DHS, in a post 2:53:22.480 --> 2:53:26.200 on x said, quote, Ice is not going to schools 2:53:26.240 --> 2:53:30.280 to arrest children. A dangerous illegal alien, felon fleeing into 2:53:30.360 --> 2:53:32.760 a school, or a child sex offender working as an 2:53:32.760 --> 2:53:36.240 employee may create a situation where an arrest is made. 2:53:36.280 --> 2:53:39.720 To protect public safety, criminals are no longer able to 2:53:39.840 --> 2:53:43.880 hide in America's schools to avoid arrest. Potus Trump and 2:53:44.000 --> 2:53:48.000 Secretary Known trust a brave law enforcement to use common sense. 2:53:48.080 --> 2:53:50.600 We will not tie the hands of law enforcement officers. 2:53:50.959 --> 2:53:55.039 They must be allowed to protect children from public safety threats. Obviously, 2:53:55.480 --> 2:53:59.840 if someone is a sex offender, they can't work at 2:53:59.840 --> 2:54:03.440 a school. Right. That's that's the top background checks work. 2:54:04.000 --> 2:54:07.800 The DHS tweet includes a screenshot of a Houston Chronicle 2:54:07.920 --> 2:54:12.120 article which details how HISD has lost four thousand students 2:54:12.760 --> 2:54:14.920 due to the ICE crackdown. Right, this is students who 2:54:14.959 --> 2:54:17.480 are for the most part, afraid to come to school, 2:54:18.080 --> 2:54:20.560 and they've seen a twenty two percent decline in migrant 2:54:20.600 --> 2:54:24.000 student enrollment. Obviously, I just want to note that ICE 2:54:24.120 --> 2:54:28.160 has detained parents outside schools and a notal inncedent. Last year, 2:54:28.520 --> 2:54:33.720 they dessained a fifteen year old disabled boy in Los Angeles. Finally, 2:54:34.520 --> 2:54:37.680 from me, I want to talk about legislation that is 2:54:37.720 --> 2:54:41.480 being proposed in the state of Washington. To the State 2:54:41.520 --> 2:54:46.640 of Washington's House Builds two three two one proposes legislation 2:54:46.800 --> 2:54:49.879 that focuses on what it calls blocking features that must 2:54:49.920 --> 2:54:52.320 be integrated into three D printers to prevent their use 2:54:52.360 --> 2:54:57.800 in creating firearms. Blocking features are quoting here a software 2:54:57.879 --> 2:55:03.280 controls process that deploys a firearms blueprint detection algorithm such 2:55:03.480 --> 2:55:08.000 that those features identify and reject print requests for firearms 2:55:08.160 --> 2:55:10.640 or at legal firearm path with a high degree of 2:55:10.680 --> 2:55:14.560 reliability and cannot be overridden or otherwise defeated by a 2:55:14.720 --> 2:55:19.800 user with significant technical skill. What this would effectively do 2:55:20.600 --> 2:55:23.560 is either prevent the sale of three D printers in 2:55:24.080 --> 2:55:29.320 Washington state or install state level spyware onto three D printers, 2:55:29.320 --> 2:55:31.320 which would obviously be able to be used for things 2:55:31.360 --> 2:55:35.720 far beyond firearms. And people have notably been three D 2:55:35.800 --> 2:55:38.360 printing whistles a great deal in Minneapolis right there. So 2:55:38.360 --> 2:55:40.560 there's been lots of coverage of this. I think it 2:55:40.600 --> 2:55:43.320 would be very naive for people to think that this 2:55:43.440 --> 2:55:47.600 would start and end with the creation of unregistered firearms. 2:55:48.320 --> 2:55:51.440 Yeah, now they'll they'll go, I mean, they'll doff like 2:55:51.600 --> 2:55:54.080 tread to enforce games workshops, copy rights and stop it 2:55:54.160 --> 2:55:57.279 for rent models or whatever, exactly right, Like, it opens 2:55:57.320 --> 2:56:00.000 a whole world of IP enforcement in three D print 2:56:00.680 --> 2:56:02.240 it more or less ends. 2:56:02.440 --> 2:56:04.480 The thing that I find beautiful about three D printing 2:56:04.720 --> 2:56:06.760 is not that like I can make little plastic things 2:56:06.800 --> 2:56:09.800 in my office. It's that it shows me that people 2:56:09.879 --> 2:56:12.760 will choose to create beautiful and innovative things even when 2:56:12.800 --> 2:56:15.880 there is not a profit incentive for doing so. Yes, 2:56:16.720 --> 2:56:19.560 And here's the thing, it would be a different discussion 2:56:20.000 --> 2:56:21.880 if this were a country, We're the only way to 2:56:21.920 --> 2:56:23.600 get a gun was to three D print it. 2:56:23.840 --> 2:56:24.320 But it's not. 2:56:26.560 --> 2:56:28.720 Yes, in Washington State, right, you do not have to 2:56:28.800 --> 2:56:30.720 drive that far from Washington State, to a state where 2:56:30.720 --> 2:56:33.760 it'ld be perfectly legal to do a private party transfer 2:56:33.920 --> 2:56:35.520 in the Walmart parking lot. 2:56:35.920 --> 2:56:36.160 Yep. 2:56:36.400 --> 2:56:39.840 And also it's there's just a lot of guns in Washington, Yeah, 2:56:40.040 --> 2:56:43.360 like there are in Oregon, like there is everywhere in 2:56:43.480 --> 2:56:47.160 the country. And to the extent that three D printed 2:56:47.200 --> 2:56:50.480 firearms are used for crime, they tend to be used 2:56:50.600 --> 2:56:54.160 like specifically in gang crime, where if the three D 2:56:54.320 --> 2:56:58.640 printed gun isn't available, the professional criminals will access a 2:56:58.760 --> 2:57:04.360 separate gun. Americans are not overwhelmingly using three D printed 2:57:04.440 --> 2:57:07.800 firearms to shoot up schools. They're using perfectly normally purchased 2:57:07.840 --> 2:57:09.280 firearms to shoot up schools. 2:57:10.000 --> 2:57:12.440 Yeah, that's what we do because this country is full 2:57:12.480 --> 2:57:16.720 of guns. The state of California is also pursuing a 2:57:16.879 --> 2:57:22.560 case against three D printed firearms code hosting websites. California 2:57:22.600 --> 2:57:25.880 passing extremely broad law last year that prohibits the hosting, distribution, 2:57:26.000 --> 2:57:30.120 and promotion of the quote unlawful manufacturer of firearms. This 2:57:30.320 --> 2:57:34.000 has significant repercussions for the First Amendment right, Like, the 2:57:34.120 --> 2:57:36.840 code itself is not a tangible thing, it's not a gun. 2:57:37.480 --> 2:57:40.160 It is speech. But in this case, it is the 2:57:40.160 --> 2:57:43.600 instruction to allow the machine to create gun right. It 2:57:43.680 --> 2:57:46.760 appears that there are over one hundred other people indicted 2:57:46.800 --> 2:57:49.400 in this case, and guessing that those are probably the 2:57:49.520 --> 2:57:54.240 designers who posted their STLs for firearms on the gatalogue. 2:57:54.520 --> 2:57:58.520 I think that the evidence also suggests that's unlikely to 2:57:58.600 --> 2:58:01.720 hold up in court because, like, right now, there's a 2:58:01.840 --> 2:58:06.000 case over the Kansas laws that are mandating, like you 2:58:06.160 --> 2:58:09.880 have age, basically restrictions on websites and the like, and 2:58:09.920 --> 2:58:11.600 there were laws. There was a lawsuit from like a 2:58:11.680 --> 2:58:14.520 mom who alleged that despite this, her kid was able 2:58:14.560 --> 2:58:17.040 to access a website that was located out of the 2:58:17.120 --> 2:58:18.880 state because it didn't have any of these restrictions, and 2:58:18.920 --> 2:58:21.680 the judge in Kansas ruled, like, well, our law doesn't 2:58:21.760 --> 2:58:24.240 restrict people in other states. They don't have to have 2:58:24.560 --> 2:58:28.240 like this, Like that's just you can't actually enforce this. Yeah, 2:58:28.560 --> 2:58:31.240 so we'll see how it goes in California. But yeah, 2:58:31.879 --> 2:58:35.480 California is suing for damages in this case. It's a 2:58:35.600 --> 2:58:38.400 civil case on a criminal one, sure, but still, I mean, 2:58:38.440 --> 2:58:40.440 there have been a lot of cases about three D 2:58:40.520 --> 2:58:43.800 printed guns and how they are covered under the under 2:58:43.879 --> 2:58:46.680 the First Amendment. So yeah, I'm going to keep an 2:58:46.680 --> 2:58:49.600 eye on this because I guess like there are attacks 2:58:49.640 --> 2:58:52.600 on the First Amendment from just about every angle right now, 2:58:52.920 --> 2:58:54.960 and I think we should pay attention to that. 2:58:56.040 --> 2:58:59.160 That is all I have. Shall we take a little 2:58:59.200 --> 2:59:01.680 break and then talk about pedophiles? Sure? 2:59:02.240 --> 2:59:04.320 I love talking talking about pedophiles. 2:59:04.600 --> 2:59:05.200 That's what we do. 2:59:06.040 --> 2:59:06.600 I don't. 2:59:19.280 --> 2:59:19.840 We're back. 2:59:20.600 --> 2:59:23.400 This is another yet another episode of the Pedo Files. 2:59:24.320 --> 2:59:28.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I volunteered to do this section. 2:59:29.240 --> 2:59:32.960 These are Epsteine updates as a two day which is Wednesday, Yeah, 2:59:33.040 --> 2:59:34.120 February eleventh. 2:59:34.280 --> 2:59:35.600 There were quite a few things. 2:59:36.160 --> 2:59:39.039 We just finished recording a four part around him for Bastards, 2:59:39.080 --> 2:59:40.320 and there's more new shit. 2:59:40.720 --> 2:59:40.920 Yeah. 2:59:41.320 --> 2:59:42.600 It just keeps kevin. 2:59:44.400 --> 2:59:46.240 It is endless, it really is. 2:59:47.360 --> 2:59:49.720 I want to start off which at the top of 2:59:49.760 --> 2:59:53.720 the week, Glene Maxwell was supposed to speak to the 2:59:53.760 --> 2:59:57.920 House Oversight Committee, and she was called in for questioning 2:59:58.240 --> 3:00:01.560 and during a video call. Just so folks know, she 3:00:01.720 --> 3:00:04.800 is serving a twenty year sentence for sex trafficking and 3:00:04.879 --> 3:00:08.879 a federal prison camp in Texas, but she invoked her 3:00:08.959 --> 3:00:11.360 Fifth Amendment right to avoid answering questions that would be 3:00:11.400 --> 3:00:12.199 self incriminating. 3:00:13.360 --> 3:00:18.320 This was expected, but her lawyer's statement was interesting. 3:00:18.040 --> 3:00:21.000 So I'm going to read it to the audience now, 3:00:21.280 --> 3:00:24.240 Members of the Committee, on my advice, Glendne Maxwell respectfully 3:00:24.320 --> 3:00:26.800 invoke her Fifth Amendment right to silence and decline to 3:00:26.840 --> 3:00:29.840 answer your questions day. Even though she would very much 3:00:29.959 --> 3:00:33.039 like to answer your questions, she must remain silent because 3:00:33.040 --> 3:00:36.320 Miss Maxwell has a habeas petition clearly pending that demonstrates 3:00:36.360 --> 3:00:40.160 that her conviction rests on a fundamentally unfair trial. For example, 3:00:40.240 --> 3:00:42.760 jurors lie during void Yer to secure seats on the jury, 3:00:43.000 --> 3:00:46.000 and the government promised immunity and then broke that promise. 3:00:46.280 --> 3:00:50.040 Lily Disco's documents now demonstrate these facts conclusively. If this 3:00:50.160 --> 3:00:52.600 committee in the American public truly want to hear the 3:00:52.720 --> 3:00:56.160 unfiltered truth about what happened, there is a straightforward path. 3:00:56.760 --> 3:01:00.200 Ms Maxwell is prepared to speak fully and honestly if 3:01:00.280 --> 3:01:04.680 granted clemency by President Trump. Sure only she can provide 3:01:05.040 --> 3:01:08.440 the complete account. Some may not like what they hear, 3:01:08.760 --> 3:01:13.600 but the truth matters. For example, both President Trump and 3:01:13.760 --> 3:01:18.840 President Clinton are innocent of any wrongdoing. Ms Maxwell alone 3:01:19.400 --> 3:01:23.240 and explain why, and the public is entitled to that explanation. 3:01:24.240 --> 3:01:24.560 Thank you. 3:01:25.520 --> 3:01:28.320 Look, I'll talk to Donald Trump if I can get 3:01:28.320 --> 3:01:29.440 immunity for some thanks. 3:01:33.360 --> 3:01:36.119 It's like, by the way, I would love to speak. 3:01:36.080 --> 3:01:37.000 Got I need immunity. 3:01:37.520 --> 3:01:41.039 Yeah, the guy that could grant me clemency. I can 3:01:41.160 --> 3:01:41.760 vouch for that. 3:01:41.959 --> 3:01:45.760 Guy that's the most doesn't commit crimes thing a person 3:01:45.800 --> 3:01:46.720 could possibly say. 3:01:47.160 --> 3:01:47.480 Wild. 3:01:48.400 --> 3:01:51.480 Yeah, I'm moving on to another guy that was all 3:01:51.560 --> 3:01:53.720 over the Epstein files, Casey Wasserman. 3:01:54.080 --> 3:01:57.039 Casey wass Robert just said that like he knew. The guy. 3:01:57.400 --> 3:01:59.160 Oh yeah, I know. That's what I always call them. 3:01:59.480 --> 3:02:03.360 Was founder and CEO of Wasserman, which is a talent 3:02:03.440 --> 3:02:07.560 agency slash sports marketing agency. And the reason I'm bringing 3:02:07.640 --> 3:02:10.120 this up is for two reasons. There's two things I 3:02:10.200 --> 3:02:12.480 want to discuss here. The first one is that since 3:02:12.520 --> 3:02:15.440 this got announced, he's had major clients, major stars as 3:02:15.480 --> 3:02:19.040 well as athletes, say that's gross and I'm not going 3:02:19.080 --> 3:02:19.959 to work with you anymore. 3:02:20.040 --> 3:02:22.640 And I've left the agency, which is fucking cool, which 3:02:22.720 --> 3:02:22.959 is good. 3:02:23.040 --> 3:02:24.680 It's what you should do if you find out that 3:02:24.760 --> 3:02:27.480 you are working for someone in the Epstein files. 3:02:27.959 --> 3:02:33.400 Yeah, somebody was specifically communicating consistently with Epstein after his conviction. Right, 3:02:33.440 --> 3:02:37.560 There's a lot of people who are named in the files. 3:02:37.360 --> 3:02:40.200 A lot of random journalists whose articles got shared in 3:02:40.240 --> 3:02:42.879 the files or something that yes, yes, yeah, big. 3:02:42.800 --> 3:02:47.440 Name stars here, we're talking like Chapel Rowelron, you're so annoyed. 3:02:48.600 --> 3:02:51.760 So like Chapel Rone was probably the first big name 3:02:51.840 --> 3:02:53.720 to be like ew, I'm out. 3:02:54.240 --> 3:02:54.440 Yeah. 3:02:54.800 --> 3:02:57.600 And another big part of this is CAC Wasserman is 3:02:57.760 --> 3:03:00.640 leading the preparations for the twenty twenty eight Summer Olympic 3:03:00.680 --> 3:03:03.520 Games that are going to be located in Los Angeles 3:03:03.760 --> 3:03:07.640 and per Fox LA, the LA twenty twenty eight board 3:03:07.720 --> 3:03:12.320 officially supported chair Casey Wasserman and Wednesday, rejecting calls for 3:03:12.400 --> 3:03:17.480 his recognation following an independent misconduct review. While multiple LA 3:03:17.640 --> 3:03:21.600 elected officials demandity step down, the board sited his strong 3:03:21.760 --> 3:03:25.040 leadership and cooperations as reasons for his retention. 3:03:25.600 --> 3:03:28.360 Ew I can't believe the good name of the Olympics 3:03:28.440 --> 3:03:29.879 finally has a stain on its right now? 3:03:30.000 --> 3:03:31.800 Right? Who would have thought? 3:03:31.879 --> 3:03:35.080 Can you imagine the Olympics being associated with a bad man? 3:03:35.360 --> 3:03:37.080 I love the Olympics? This sucks? 3:03:37.640 --> 3:03:39.480 How will I watch trampoline? 3:03:40.040 --> 3:03:40.120 Uh? 3:03:40.240 --> 3:03:41.960 Huh? What about Louge? 3:03:42.480 --> 3:03:42.640 Wait? 3:03:42.760 --> 3:03:45.360 No, that's only in the thing right now, that's already happening. Yeah, 3:03:45.360 --> 3:03:46.160 you can watch Louge. 3:03:46.360 --> 3:03:48.920 Yeah, you're right, you're right. The one good sport, the Olympics, 3:03:49.000 --> 3:03:50.440 is already happening. So we're fine. 3:03:50.760 --> 3:03:53.080 We have to be clear on this. Luge has us 3:03:53.160 --> 3:03:55.200 no links to the Jeffrey Epstein files that we. 3:03:55.280 --> 3:03:59.280 Know of the Italian Louge Olympics, completely clean, no problems. 3:03:59.440 --> 3:03:59.600 Yeah. 3:04:01.840 --> 3:04:03.760 Now I want to move on to probably the biggest 3:04:03.800 --> 3:04:08.720 story of the week, which is Attorney General Pambondi took 3:04:09.080 --> 3:04:13.120 heated questions from lawmakers and a compatitive congressional hearing over 3:04:13.200 --> 3:04:15.800 the Justice Department's handling and the files related to Jeffrey 3:04:15.840 --> 3:04:21.679 Epstein that exposed sensitive private information about victims despite redaction efforts. 3:04:21.480 --> 3:04:22.720 Her the a P. 3:04:23.600 --> 3:04:25.800 She she frame mogged everyone at this hearing. 3:04:26.480 --> 3:04:30.880 In my opinion, this was the most outrageously unprofessional, shameful, centurable, 3:04:30.920 --> 3:04:32.480 and sickening congressional. 3:04:32.080 --> 3:04:33.400 Hearing in history. 3:04:33.600 --> 3:04:37.880 And she is a disgrace and disgusting And yeah, I 3:04:37.920 --> 3:04:40.000 want to get into a little bit of it. I 3:04:40.080 --> 3:04:43.720 want to start by playing a clip from Representative Raskin. 3:04:43.879 --> 3:04:46.920 He's the Democratic congressman from Maryland and he is the 3:04:47.160 --> 3:04:51.800 Democratic ranking House member of the Committee on the judiciary. 3:04:52.080 --> 3:04:55.520 You're running a massive Epstein cover up right out of 3:04:55.560 --> 3:04:58.680 the Department of Justice. You've been ordered by subpoena and 3:04:58.800 --> 3:05:02.480 by Congress to turn over six million documents, photographs, and 3:05:02.600 --> 3:05:04.879 videos in Epstein files. 3:05:04.720 --> 3:05:06.680 But you've turned over only three million. 3:05:07.360 --> 3:05:09.640 You say you're not turning over the other three million 3:05:10.040 --> 3:05:13.400 because they're somehow duplicative. But we know that there are 3:05:13.560 --> 3:05:17.280 actual memos of victim statements in the air. And you 3:05:17.480 --> 3:05:21.600 also took down the Department of Justice's prosecution memo from 3:05:21.640 --> 3:05:25.240 twenty nineteen, so it's clearly not all duplicative. But even 3:05:25.280 --> 3:05:28.200 if it were, why not release it? Just release all 3:05:28.240 --> 3:05:32.120 the duplicative stuff. In the half you did produce, you 3:05:32.320 --> 3:05:37.640 redacted the names of abusers, enablers, accomplices, and co conspirators, 3:05:38.080 --> 3:05:42.080 apparently to spare them embarrassment and disgrace, which is the 3:05:42.160 --> 3:05:43.280 exact opposite of. 3:05:43.320 --> 3:05:44.880 What the law ordered you to do. 3:05:46.080 --> 3:05:50.920 Even worse, you shockingly failed to redact many of the 3:05:51.000 --> 3:05:53.680 victim's names, which is what you were ordered to do 3:05:53.800 --> 3:05:54.440 by Congress. 3:05:54.840 --> 3:05:57.800 Some of the victims had come forward publicly, but many 3:05:57.879 --> 3:05:58.040 had not. 3:05:58.240 --> 3:06:03.680 Many had kept their torm private, even from family and friends, 3:06:03.760 --> 3:06:10.680 but you published their names, their identities, their images on 3:06:11.000 --> 3:06:12.840 thousands of pages for. 3:06:12.920 --> 3:06:13.800 The world to see. 3:06:14.680 --> 3:06:17.080 So you ignored the law, and even with over one 3:06:17.200 --> 3:06:20.720 hundred thousand employees at your disposal, you acted with some 3:06:21.040 --> 3:06:28.360 mixture of staggering incompetence, cold indifference, and jaded cruelty towards 3:06:28.480 --> 3:06:29.359 more than one. 3:06:29.480 --> 3:06:33.040 Thousand victims raped, abused, and trafficked. 3:06:33.959 --> 3:06:35.720 This performance screams cover up. 3:06:36.840 --> 3:06:44.240 I can't even begin to describe how vile and disgusting 3:06:44.320 --> 3:06:47.760 it is that they have doxed these survivors of Epstein 3:06:48.040 --> 3:06:53.920 without their consent. Yeah, it is traumatizing enough that they 3:06:54.040 --> 3:06:58.480 had to endure this. Now they've had what happened to 3:06:58.560 --> 3:07:01.560 them put on display, and now they are going to 3:07:01.640 --> 3:07:06.400 be targeted, and they have not had the ability to 3:07:06.560 --> 3:07:11.120 speak up if they wanted to on what happened. But 3:07:11.280 --> 3:07:16.560 the government, despite being told to not out these survivors, 3:07:17.240 --> 3:07:23.200 did it, but covered the names of the people that 3:07:23.360 --> 3:07:28.160 committed these crimes. It is unspeakably disgusting. 3:07:29.000 --> 3:07:30.880 Sorry, well I feel great. 3:07:31.240 --> 3:07:36.279 It's really upsetting. Yeah, it's really deeply disgusting and upsetting. 3:07:36.280 --> 3:07:36.680 Sure. 3:07:37.280 --> 3:07:41.720 I thought Ranking Member Raskin spoke very clearly here and 3:07:41.800 --> 3:07:48.720 I appreciated his statement. Yeah, moving on, Bondi's tactics during 3:07:48.840 --> 3:07:52.320 this were to deflect, deflect, deflect. 3:07:52.640 --> 3:07:56.720 There's a couple instances that I want to play play 3:07:56.800 --> 3:07:57.240 for everyone. 3:07:57.360 --> 3:08:03.280 Now, yeah, you could assign this to a class, and 3:08:03.520 --> 3:08:08.480 like if you're talking about every way that like the 3:08:08.600 --> 3:08:13.080 modern Republican Party tries to deflect culpability for anything negative. 3:08:13.160 --> 3:08:15.080 Like they all got deployed one after the. 3:08:15.120 --> 3:08:15.520 Other in this. 3:08:16.720 --> 3:08:24.280 So there were Epstein survivors in person, and Bondi wouldn't 3:08:24.280 --> 3:08:26.440 even look at them. I want to play a clip 3:08:26.520 --> 3:08:30.120 from when she's asked to address them here to. 3:08:30.280 --> 3:08:34.600 The survivors in the room, if you are willing, please stand, 3:08:39.560 --> 3:08:42.920 and if you are willing, please raise your hands. If 3:08:43.000 --> 3:08:46.720 you have still not been able to meet with this 3:08:47.160 --> 3:08:52.920 Department of Justice, please know for the record that every 3:08:53.040 --> 3:09:00.480 single survivor has raised their hand. Attorney General Bondi, you 3:09:00.640 --> 3:09:04.160 apologize to the survivors and your opening statement for what 3:09:04.320 --> 3:09:06.720 they went through at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein. 3:09:07.560 --> 3:09:11.480 Will you turn to them now and apologize for what. 3:09:11.959 --> 3:09:16.240 Your Department of Justice has put them through with the 3:09:16.680 --> 3:09:24.640 un absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information. 3:09:30.720 --> 3:09:36.000 Congresswoman, you set before Merrick Garland set in. 3:09:36.040 --> 3:09:40.000 This chair twice, Attorney General von I'm going to finish 3:09:40.080 --> 3:09:40.560 my answer. 3:09:40.760 --> 3:09:43.440 No, I'm going to reclaim my time because I asked 3:09:43.480 --> 3:09:48.240 you to generalific question that I would like question to answer, 3:09:48.560 --> 3:09:51.880 which is, will you turn to the survivors? This is 3:09:52.000 --> 3:09:54.880 not about anybody that came before you. It is about 3:09:55.040 --> 3:09:59.680 you taking responsibility for your Department of Justice and the 3:10:00.120 --> 3:10:03.039 arm that it has done to the survivors who are 3:10:03.200 --> 3:10:07.120 standing right behind you and are waiting for you to 3:10:07.320 --> 3:10:11.400 turn to them and apologize for what your Department of Justices. 3:10:11.480 --> 3:10:11.840 Members. 3:10:12.160 --> 3:10:14.080 Members get to ask the questions, the witness get to 3:10:14.120 --> 3:10:15.480 answer in the way they want to answer. 3:10:15.560 --> 3:10:19.320 That that's not accurate, mister chairman, because she doesn't like 3:10:19.400 --> 3:10:26.119 the answer. So, mister Chairman, I have asked, She Astmaric Garland. 3:10:25.760 --> 3:10:27.880 This I am reclaiming. 3:10:29.280 --> 3:10:33.959 I will claim my time. Get in the gutter for her. 3:10:34.080 --> 3:10:34.720 Theatrics. 3:10:34.879 --> 3:10:37.240 The time belongs to the time belongs to the general lady. 3:10:37.280 --> 3:10:38.760 The general Lady has seventeen seconds. 3:10:39.040 --> 3:10:39.320 Thank you. 3:10:40.440 --> 3:10:42.080 You're not going to answer this question. 3:10:42.280 --> 3:10:46.360 So let me just chair, what a massive question? 3:10:46.520 --> 3:10:47.560 Will you restore her time? 3:10:47.680 --> 3:10:49.840 The witnesses, the rector the gout her with this woman, 3:10:50.360 --> 3:10:51.920 She's let me have. 3:10:52.040 --> 3:10:55.000 My General lady, the general lady from Washington controls the time. 3:10:55.080 --> 3:10:57.600 The General Lady has seventeen seconds, you can you can 3:10:57.879 --> 3:10:59.440 proceed with your final seventeen seconds. 3:10:59.440 --> 3:11:01.680 What a mass of cover up this has been and 3:11:01.840 --> 3:11:05.240 continues to be. Donald Trump may the release of the 3:11:05.280 --> 3:11:08.480 Epstein files the center of his political campaign because he 3:11:08.560 --> 3:11:11.320 thought it would benefit him. Then you got into office, 3:11:11.320 --> 3:11:14.360 Attorney general, claim to have a client list on order, 3:11:14.720 --> 3:11:19.400 say that there was no list. Your deputy Todd met 3:11:19.480 --> 3:11:25.560 alone has expired to a minimum security prison. 3:11:25.920 --> 3:11:27.320 And now you continue. 3:11:30.040 --> 3:11:32.960 She would turn around to the survivors who are standing 3:11:33.160 --> 3:11:36.480 right behind you, and on a human level, chairman. 3:11:36.640 --> 3:11:42.560 Now recognizes the man, the gen You have no time 3:11:42.600 --> 3:11:44.960 to go back to appreciate the thought. 3:11:45.680 --> 3:11:48.840 Despicable, disgusting. 3:11:50.959 --> 3:11:53.440 She did not ever turn around and look at these 3:11:53.680 --> 3:11:58.440 survivors that are in the room. Later, she loses it 3:11:58.560 --> 3:12:01.880 again when asked why she hasn't indicated any of the 3:12:01.920 --> 3:12:04.080 Epstein clients in de flex by saying this. 3:12:05.000 --> 3:12:09.520 The dow, the dow right now is over. The dow 3:12:09.680 --> 3:12:12.640 is over fifty thousand dollars. I don't know why you're laughing. 3:12:12.720 --> 3:12:15.480 You're a great stock trader. As I hear raskin. The 3:12:15.680 --> 3:12:20.040 Dow is over fifty thousand right now, the S and 3:12:20.120 --> 3:12:25.800 P at almost seven thousand, and the Nasdaq smashing records. 3:12:26.040 --> 3:12:30.400 Americans four oh one k's and retirement savings are booming. 3:12:31.080 --> 3:12:34.000 That's what we should be talking about. We should be 3:12:34.120 --> 3:12:38.440 talking about making Americans safe. We should be talking about 3:12:38.480 --> 3:12:40.400 what does a Dow have to do with anything? That's 3:12:40.440 --> 3:12:43.840 what they just ask, Are you kidding, mister Jordan? 3:12:43.959 --> 3:12:46.840 Am I mister Jordan, No, it's not. You are here 3:12:47.040 --> 3:12:51.320 for You are here talking. You are here for hearing 3:12:51.840 --> 3:12:53.320 on the Epstein files. 3:12:53.560 --> 3:12:56.120 You are the Attorney General of the United States, and 3:12:56.200 --> 3:12:59.800 you are a fucking piece of shit, fucking nightmare. 3:13:00.080 --> 3:13:04.240 That's in response to a question about indicting Epstein clients. Yeah, 3:13:04.400 --> 3:13:05.840 she just starts talking with the stock market. 3:13:06.040 --> 3:13:08.720 Yeah, and only did you just start talking about it? 3:13:08.800 --> 3:13:12.600 She clearly came with her stats ready to talk about it. Yeah. 3:13:12.680 --> 3:13:14.840 Right, because the message is it's fine that all this 3:13:15.000 --> 3:13:16.880 happened and the Trump was involved as long as the 3:13:16.920 --> 3:13:19.560 economy's good, right, people shouldn't be a complaint. 3:13:19.680 --> 3:13:22.160 It's it's cartoon. It's cartoon behavior. 3:13:22.400 --> 3:13:24.720 Yeah, Like it's not a it's not even some kind 3:13:24.720 --> 3:13:27.039 of sophisticated route. So just going to look over there. 3:13:27.560 --> 3:13:29.640 This would be like in like a British like sketch 3:13:29.760 --> 3:13:32.160 comedy about the government in like the eighties, Like this 3:13:32.360 --> 3:13:34.760 is like, yeah, this is wild. 3:13:35.360 --> 3:13:36.440 It's truly horrific. 3:13:36.520 --> 3:13:39.360 And guess what I still have more to share. Here 3:13:39.520 --> 3:13:43.680 is an exchange and another attempt for her to deflect. 3:13:43.760 --> 3:13:46.240 She tries to bring up Merek Garland again. This is 3:13:46.360 --> 3:13:48.480 with the congresswoman from Vermont. 3:13:48.200 --> 3:13:52.119 Didn't ask Merrit Garland anything about Epstein, not once when 3:13:52.160 --> 3:13:55.360 he was exhaust And also I want the record to 3:13:55.440 --> 3:13:59.160 reflect that, you know, with this anti Semitic culture right now, 3:13:59.360 --> 3:14:02.720 she voted against a resolution contempt condemning. 3:14:03.080 --> 3:14:06.760 Oh do you want to go there? 3:14:06.800 --> 3:14:07.240 Attorney? 3:14:08.160 --> 3:14:09.360 Do you want to go there? 3:14:10.080 --> 3:14:12.199 Are you gentlemen talking. 3:14:13.680 --> 3:14:16.039 To a woman who lost her grandfather in the whole. 3:14:18.680 --> 3:14:19.680 It's pretty disgusting. 3:14:20.000 --> 3:14:21.279 Yeah, that's crazy. 3:14:21.560 --> 3:14:24.680 She's like, ah, yes, how can I work in being 3:14:24.800 --> 3:14:25.560 pro Israel? 3:14:26.240 --> 3:14:30.240 Also again right, she clearly had like if this person speaks, 3:14:30.320 --> 3:14:31.200 this is what I will say. 3:14:31.400 --> 3:14:35.240 It's very clear she had a material list of like 3:14:35.400 --> 3:14:38.000 cheat sheet of this is how when this person speaks, 3:14:38.080 --> 3:14:40.560 this is my dirt on this person. When this person speaks, 3:14:40.600 --> 3:14:42.560 this is my dirt on this person. There are even 3:14:42.640 --> 3:14:45.199 photos of the dirt she has piled up on each person. 3:14:45.440 --> 3:14:48.920 She had a sheet of like people's search histories. Just 3:14:49.400 --> 3:14:55.120 unbelievable deflection, to say the least. I have one more 3:14:55.160 --> 3:14:56.640 clip I want to I want to display it, and 3:14:56.680 --> 3:14:58.440 then I'd like to talk about it a little bit more. 3:14:58.640 --> 3:15:01.680 Yeah, I want to discuss another man, Donald Trump, who 3:15:01.800 --> 3:15:05.240 was all over the Epstein files, like former Prince. 3:15:05.840 --> 3:15:08.720 Here's the video and for reference, this is the very 3:15:09.200 --> 3:15:11.720 very popular video of Epstein and Trump. 3:15:11.800 --> 3:15:13.760 Worth Epstein wearing that then, I'm sure, and Trump in 3:15:13.800 --> 3:15:14.320 the pink tie. 3:15:14.560 --> 3:15:17.520 They're kind of like elbowing each other and talking about ladies. 3:15:18.120 --> 3:15:20.080 Yeah, laughing, laughing at a party. 3:15:20.520 --> 3:15:21.240 Yeah, you've seen it. 3:15:21.760 --> 3:15:26.840 Former Prince Andrew. Donald Trump attended various parties with Jeffrey Epstein. 3:15:27.640 --> 3:15:31.120 I want to know whether any underage girls at that 3:15:31.280 --> 3:15:35.520 party or at any party that Trump attended with Jeffrey Epstein. 3:15:42.120 --> 3:15:45.160 This is so ridiculous and that they are trying to 3:15:46.280 --> 3:15:50.920 deflect from all the great things Donald Trump has done. 3:15:51.120 --> 3:15:54.440 There is no evidence that Donald Trump has committed a crime. 3:15:54.560 --> 3:15:58.119 Everyone knows that this has been the most transparent presidency. 3:15:58.480 --> 3:15:59.400 He's the one I. 3:16:02.400 --> 3:16:04.400 Got your answer you said no evidence. 3:16:08.080 --> 3:16:11.920 This time belongs to the gentleman from California. 3:16:11.959 --> 3:16:17.600 Okay, I'm gonna put up another document from a witness 3:16:17.640 --> 3:16:21.400 who called the FBI's National Threat Operation Center because I 3:16:21.520 --> 3:16:24.640 believe you just lied under oath. There is ample evidence 3:16:24.800 --> 3:16:25.400 into Epstein. 3:16:25.640 --> 3:16:28.560 Don't you ever accuse me of believe you just. 3:16:28.600 --> 3:16:31.400 Lied under oath. And this is all on videotape. You 3:16:31.600 --> 3:16:34.760 said there's no events crime. I'm showing you. Here is 3:16:35.400 --> 3:16:39.160 a witness statement who called into the FBI's Threat Operation Center. 3:16:40.200 --> 3:16:43.120 He drove Donald Trump around in limo. He overheard what 3:16:43.160 --> 3:16:45.880 Donald Trump said to Jeffrey on his cell phone. He 3:16:46.000 --> 3:16:47.800 was so angry he was gonna stop a limo and 3:16:47.920 --> 3:16:50.920 hurt Donald Trump. And he met a girl who said 3:16:50.920 --> 3:16:54.440 she was raped by Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. She 3:16:54.600 --> 3:16:56.840 later had her head blown off, and the officers at 3:16:56.879 --> 3:17:01.280 the scene said that could not have been suicide. No one, 3:17:02.080 --> 3:17:06.960 no one at the point of justice interviewed this witness. 3:17:07.840 --> 3:17:12.640 You need to interview this witness immediately. Epstein should rot 3:17:12.800 --> 3:17:15.920 in hell. So should the men who patronize this operation. 3:17:17.120 --> 3:17:19.119 And as we say here today, they are over one 3:17:19.240 --> 3:17:23.040 thousand sex trafficking victims, and you have not held a 3:17:23.280 --> 3:17:24.720 single man accountable. 3:17:25.080 --> 3:17:27.480 Shame on you. If you had any decency, you would 3:17:27.520 --> 3:17:28.760 resign right after this. 3:17:28.959 --> 3:17:31.160 Here we conclusive, gentlemen, has expired. 3:17:32.560 --> 3:17:36.440 She did not answer a single question, honestly, she did 3:17:36.520 --> 3:17:40.080 not give a yes or no answer. The Republicans spent 3:17:40.160 --> 3:17:42.960 the time trying to deflect by she had like this 3:17:43.320 --> 3:17:46.760 sheet of like, well, in your state, this person committed 3:17:46.800 --> 3:17:49.760 a crime in your district. This person committed a crime 3:17:50.200 --> 3:17:53.480 and tried to deflect every which way. 3:17:53.920 --> 3:17:59.280 Congress people aren't law enforcement, like no, and. 3:17:59.320 --> 3:18:02.800 The republic and spent the time praising her and praising 3:18:02.920 --> 3:18:04.800 Trump and touting their own agenda. 3:18:05.440 --> 3:18:10.280 And this is not justice. This is sickening. 3:18:10.840 --> 3:18:18.880 I I what precedent this sends to people who are 3:18:19.720 --> 3:18:23.920 survivors of horrific sex crimes. 3:18:24.600 --> 3:18:26.080 I mean the president that they want to send is 3:18:26.160 --> 3:18:27.640 don't say shit, right. 3:18:28.080 --> 3:18:32.280 That's what I'm saying. That's what it sends. And we 3:18:32.440 --> 3:18:35.520 can't allow this to go on. We have to keep 3:18:35.640 --> 3:18:36.360 talking about it. 3:18:36.840 --> 3:18:41.720 Sorry, I'm just very upset. Pam BONDI. She is one 3:18:41.760 --> 3:18:43.800 of the most despicable people in the world. 3:18:44.480 --> 3:18:49.199 Oh yeah, to get up there with survivors in the room, 3:18:49.440 --> 3:18:52.000 and to not look at them, to not answer a 3:18:52.040 --> 3:18:59.720 single question, and to continuously deflect and lie. It's impossibly 3:19:00.560 --> 3:19:05.320 disgusting and very very very sad, very very sad. 3:19:05.720 --> 3:19:10.640 Mm hmm okay, yeah, well, I don't know what else 3:19:10.680 --> 3:19:11.280 to say about it. 3:19:11.640 --> 3:19:13.800 It's impossibly disgusting and very very sad. 3:19:13.959 --> 3:19:14.160 Yeah. 3:19:14.959 --> 3:19:19.360 Yeah, I hope that these survivors get some kind of 3:19:19.600 --> 3:19:23.160 justice someday. We are not going to forget about them. 3:19:23.600 --> 3:19:26.520 We're not going to stop talking about it. Something has 3:19:26.600 --> 3:19:29.600 to give here. This is This is not justice, This 3:19:29.800 --> 3:19:30.640 is despicable. 3:19:31.200 --> 3:19:32.240 Yeah. Yeah. 3:19:32.720 --> 3:19:35.200 I don't know what's going to happen or if anything's 3:19:35.200 --> 3:19:37.840 going to give in the near future, but people are pissed, 3:19:38.240 --> 3:19:41.160 and hopefully we'll continue to be, which is I guess 3:19:41.200 --> 3:19:44.440 all we can hope for is that before much longer, 3:19:44.520 --> 3:19:46.280 the time comes around where we could make sure that 3:19:46.720 --> 3:19:50.480 these people, including the folks protecting them now pay. So 3:19:51.000 --> 3:19:54.360 you know, yeah, we've got any other news or is 3:19:54.640 --> 3:19:58.000 this no? We it's a real bummer of an ending. Yeah, 3:19:58.160 --> 3:20:00.280 well yeah, it's appropriate right now. 3:20:00.480 --> 3:20:03.160 Yeah, we reported the news, gear, Yeah. 3:20:03.320 --> 3:20:04.160 I love the news. 3:20:05.280 --> 3:20:06.280 We reported the news. 3:20:06.879 --> 3:20:10.560 Yep, James, anything you want to plug at the end here. 3:20:11.879 --> 3:20:17.120 Yeah, if you want to email us with news tips, 3:20:17.640 --> 3:20:20.600 you can email cool Zone Tips at proton dot me. 3:20:21.040 --> 3:20:23.200 If you want to email us with episode ideas, I 3:20:23.320 --> 3:20:26.920 will make another email for that, but it makes it 3:20:27.000 --> 3:20:29.520 significantly harder for all of us going through the news 3:20:29.600 --> 3:20:32.320 tips email. 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