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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 2: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. Admidst

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Speaker 3: attempts by President Trump to seize control of Greenland. Last

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Speaker 3: month during the World Economic Forum, administration officials started posting

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Speaker 3: images of a penguin. On January twenty third, the White

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Speaker 3: House shared in artificial image of Trump walking hand and

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Speaker 3: flipper alongside a penguin holding an American flag across a

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Speaker 3: snowy tundra towards mountains bearing the flag of Greenland. The

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Speaker 3: caption read, Embrace the Penguin. The flags look like poorly

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Speaker 3: photoshopped stock images, while the rest of the image appears

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Speaker 3: to be generated by AI. Immediately, this post sparked ridicule

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Speaker 3: across various online platforms based on the fact that there

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Speaker 3: aren't any penguins in Greenland. Erm Penguins don't live in

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Speaker 3: the Northern Hemisphere save for zoos and the Glapcos Islands

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Speaker 3: of Ecuador. So haha, the foolish trump has been bested

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Speaker 3: once again in the arena of facts and logic. Except

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Speaker 3: this White House penguin post was actually in reference to

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Speaker 3: a TikTok meme that was currently going super viral. In

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Speaker 3: mid January, remixed footage from Werner Herzog's Arctic documentary Encounters

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Speaker 3: at the End of the World, featuring a lone penguin

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Speaker 3: breaking off from the flock and marching towards some icy mountains,

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Speaker 3: started spreading around TikTok sinked to an organ cover of

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Speaker 3: Lemour Tejoure, a song which is adopted by far right

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Speaker 3: anti immigration groups in Europe the past few years. This

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Speaker 3: combination of music and footage soon spread to other short

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Speaker 3: form video platforms like Instagram reels, with the featherless subject

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Speaker 3: being dubbed the Lonely Penguin. On January twentieth, a more

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Speaker 3: explicitly political version went kind of viral with over twenty

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Speaker 3: thousand likes. With the addition of a Frederick Nietzsche quote,

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Speaker 3: I know of no better life purpose than to perish

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Speaker 3: in attempting the great and impossible quote with the caption

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Speaker 3: save Europe hashtag remigration. That same day, an edit with

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Speaker 3: thirty six thousand likes by the TikTok account Epic History

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Speaker 3: thirty two, captioned do the Hard Thing played the documentary

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Speaker 3: footage with herz Aug Generation overlaid with images of historical

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Speaker 3: figures and pop culture characters like Alexander the Great, Caesar,

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Speaker 3: Joan of Arc, King Richard the First King, Baldwin Fourth

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Speaker 3: Genghis Khan, Aragorn, John Snow, Luke, Skywalker, and Spider Man.

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Speaker 3: An op ed in Fox News by the daughter of

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Speaker 3: Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy referred to these as quote unquote

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Speaker 3: Western heroes. To quote this op ed, in the film,

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Speaker 3: Herzog shows a lone penguin peeling away from the safety

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Speaker 3: of its colony and heading inland towards certain death according

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Speaker 3: to Herzog, But the online right saw something else. Users,

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Speaker 3: mostly male, saw the penguin as a powerful rebuke of

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Speaker 3: secular modernity. They interpreted the penguin not as lost, but

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Speaker 3: as a freethinker. To them, he was rejecting the colony.

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Speaker 3: In today's terms, that means rejecting secular postmodern orthodoxy and

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Speaker 3: marching toward a greater purpose unquote. So though Herzog in

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Speaker 3: this documentary refers to this penguin as Drain as a meme,

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Speaker 3: users identified with the penguin as a symbol of masculine

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Speaker 3: rebellion against what they view as mainstream culture and the

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Speaker 3: solitary trek up the mountains as a metaphor for the

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Speaker 3: struggle of the individual greatness. Clips of men on outdoor

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Speaker 3: adventures and climbing mountains Zarathustra style with the caption be

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Speaker 3: the Penguin spread wildly online, the most popular reaching four

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Speaker 3: point two million likes, and other penguin themed videos getting

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Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of likes. The Herzog penguin meme piggybacked

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Speaker 3: and partially merged with an older, right wing penguin based

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Speaker 3: meme video from two years ago of a drag queen

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Speaker 3: asking a kid about boys wearing makeup. The kid responds

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Speaker 3: that boys can't wear makeup, so the drag queen asks

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Speaker 3: the kid who told him that, and this confused child

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen thousand likes.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about menwear? Who wear makeup?

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Speaker 5: To boys?

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Speaker 6: Who said.

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Speaker 7: The penguin in there?

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Speaker 5: The penguin.

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Speaker 3: This video and this figure of the penguin has since

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Speaker 3: been used as a symbol for masculine resistance to the

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Speaker 3: LGBTQ agenda, and this new penguin meme pertains to tap

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Speaker 3: into a uniquely masculine urge, as explained by this TikToker

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Speaker 8: I hate to be the one to say it, but

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Speaker 8: the penguin didn't make it. But does that mean he

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Speaker 8: died in vain? No, his life was not a tragedy.

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Speaker 8: It was an inspiration. He left a legacy most of

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Speaker 8: us could.

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Speaker 9: Only hope for. It would be easy to quote Nietzsche.

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Speaker 8: Here, but that wouldn't do it justice. The penguin's spoke

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Speaker 8: to something inside all of us men, a desire for more,

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Speaker 8: to push our limits and see what we're truly made of.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes our purpose is the impact that we leave behind.

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Speaker 3: On January twenty third, the Department of War Rapid response

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Speaker 3: account posted be a Warrior Embrace the penguin with an

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Speaker 3: AI generated image of five men wearing the uniform of

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Speaker 3: each military branch walking towards the mountains alongside a penguin.

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Speaker 3: Secretary Kennedy posted a Make America Healthy Again edit of

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Speaker 3: the penguin meme with the organ music over an AI

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Speaker 3: video of RFK Junior and a penguin walking to the mountains.

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Speaker 3: Onscreen text reads the mainstream made us sick. Choose the

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Speaker 3: healthier path. The Health and Human Services government account quote

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Speaker 3: tweeted this video with the caption locking in after watching

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Speaker 3: that penguin edit unquote, soy occupied government. An anti immigration

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Speaker 3: advocacy account created a viral aiimage of a large, evidently

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Speaker 3: prosperous colony of penguins gathered under the banner of multiculturalism.

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Speaker 3: It reads that as a giant banner, juxtaposed to a

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Speaker 3: lone penguin facing the mountains and a sign reading remigration

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Speaker 3: now across the pond. The London mayoral candidate for the

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Speaker 3: far right Reform Party in the UK, Lila Cunningham, copied

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Speaker 3: Trump's version of the penguin meme with an artificial image

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Speaker 3: of her holding hands with a penguin walking towards some

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Speaker 3: snowy mountains surrounding the Tower Bridge in London. The caption reads,

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Speaker 3: choose a new path for London before it's too late.

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Speaker 3: The last penguin post will consider is a video edit

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Speaker 3: from the Department of Homeland Security. It starts, like many

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Speaker 3: of the viral TikTok and reels videos with footage and

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Speaker 3: narration from Herzog's documentary, which I will find play here.

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Speaker 10: But one of them caught our eye, the one in

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Speaker 10: the center. He would neither go towards the feeding grounds

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Speaker 10: at the edge of the ice nor return to the colony.

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Speaker 10: Shortly afterwards, we saw him heading straight towards the mountains,

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Speaker 10: some seventy kilometers away.

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Speaker 9: Doctor Ainley explained.

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Speaker 10: That even if he caught him and brought him back

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Speaker 10: to the colony, he would immediately head right back for

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Speaker 10: the mountains. But why.

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Speaker 3: After the narration cuts out, the music continues as a

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Speaker 3: fan cam style montage plays Trump, military helicopters, swat style

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Speaker 3: home raids, and Icen border patrol arresting people. The video

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Speaker 3: is captioned Americans have always known why. In response to

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Speaker 3: Herzog's query, this post from the DHS asserts that part

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Speaker 3: of the essence of America is breaking away from the

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Speaker 3: herd and forging your own path. Those who don't understand

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Speaker 3: Trump's desire to control Greenland at the risk of further

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Speaker 3: damaging our geopolitical standing just suffer from herd mentality and

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Speaker 3: will never be strong enough to take the kind of

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Speaker 3: risks that are core to the existence of this country.

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Speaker 3: On January twenty fourth, the White House posted the penguin

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Speaker 3: does not concern himself with the opinions of those who

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Speaker 3: cannot comprehend. For Trump, Venezuela Greenland imperial expansion is an

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Speaker 3: existential mission to achieve some mythic frontier greatness, and only

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Speaker 3: true Americans can understand why. The Fox News penguin op

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Speaker 3: ed by Christian nationalist Sean Duffy's daughter, Wow, that's a

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Speaker 3: nightmare sentence reads quote for Trump, the penguin is an

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Speaker 3: apt symbol for the President's decade long fight against the

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Speaker 3: radical left. Everything Trump does is opposed by the global

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Speaker 3: power brokers. Even the president's pushed to obtain Greenland has

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Speaker 3: been fanatically opposed by hysterical European elites. America was built

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Speaker 3: by penguins, and by that I mean rebels, pilgrims, frontier

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Speaker 3: men and women, conquistadors and cowboys. We are a nation

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Speaker 3: founded by risk takers who left the colony for the mountains.

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Speaker 3: We are descended from men who suffered and died to

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Speaker 3: carve civilization out of wilderness. It is our inheritance unquote. Now,

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Speaker 3: what this DHS penguin video doesn't include, but has already

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Speaker 3: been alluded to by some of the other videos I've played,

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Speaker 3: is the actual context of this lone bird's journey and

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Speaker 3: its sad fate. We will return to discuss penguin insanity

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Speaker 3: after this ad break.

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Speaker 11: We're back, though.

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Speaker 3: The twenty twenty six version of the penguin meme was

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Speaker 3: dubbed the Lonely Penguin. Earlier meme videos of this documentary

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Speaker 3: footage from years past carried the titles deranged penguin or

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Speaker 3: nihilist penguin. Before the footage of this lone Penguin plays.

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Speaker 3: In the documentary, Herzog asks a penguin expert if they

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Speaker 3: can experience insanity?

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Speaker 12: Is there such thing as insanity among penguins? I try

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Speaker 12: to avoid the definition of insanity a derangement. I don't

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Speaker 12: mean that a penguin might believe he was. She's lending

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Speaker 12: a Napoleon Bonaparte.

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Speaker 10: But could they just go crazy because they've had enough

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Speaker 13: Column Well, I've never seen a penguin bashing his head

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Speaker 13: against the rock. They do get disoriented, they end up

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Speaker 13: in places they shouldn't be, long way from the ocean.

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Speaker 3: The political invocations of this footage largely ignore ourner Herzog's

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Speaker 3: own speculation on why the penguin is marching towards the

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Speaker 10: One of these disoriented, deranged penguins showed up at the

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Speaker 10: New Harbor diving camp, already some eighty kilometers away from

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Speaker 10: where it should be. And here he's heading off into

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Speaker 10: the interior of the vast continent with five thousand kilometers

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Speaker 10: ahead of him. He's heading towards certain death.

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Speaker 3: The penguin is not the uber match. The penguin will

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Speaker 3: not achieve individual greatness at the summit of the mountain

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Speaker 3: because it's never going to get there. As friend of

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Speaker 3: the pod Dan Olsen so eloquently put it, the penguin

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Speaker 3: is going to die. Though the penguin does not bash

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Speaker 3: its head on a rock. This separation from society is

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Speaker 3: still an act of suicide. The deranged penguin has literally

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Speaker 3: turned its back on food, water, shelter, and the colony

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Speaker 3: to die, wandering towards mountains that it will never reach.

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Speaker 3: The Trump administration's embrace of this suicidal penguin as a

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Speaker 3: that's literally me figure is a shockingly open display of

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Speaker 3: fascism's relation to the death drive. It's just so naked

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Speaker 3: to make your mascot a symbol of suicidal defiance against

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Speaker 3: perceived cultural norms. They're doing a first as tragedy, twice

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Speaker 3: as farce for fascist death emblems. The Nazis get the skull,

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Speaker 3: we get a fucking penguin. But the penguin is not

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Speaker 3: the first modern American suicidal folk hero. The Kildozer rampage

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Speaker 3: of public destruction, which ended in the suicide of the perpetrator,

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Speaker 3: has been a mascot for the libertarian right for over

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Speaker 3: two decades, and in twenty eighteen, a twenty eight year

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Speaker 3: old airport ground service agent named Richard Russell hijacked in

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Speaker 3: empty plane at SeaTac to fly over Mount Rainier before

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Speaker 3: killing himself by purposely crashing the plane, very similar to

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Speaker 3: Herzog's deranged penguin. Russell left behind a wife of six years,

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Speaker 3: but became a sort of nihilistic folk hero to overly

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Speaker 3: online young men, especially among the online far right on

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Speaker 3: places like four Chan and Telegram, where he was dubbed

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Speaker 3: sky King. Last August, a Congressional Republican from Georgia, Mike Collins,

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Speaker 3: who serves on the Republican Transportation Committee, posted a glowing,

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Speaker 3: multi paragraph memorial for Richard Russell on the anniversary of

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Speaker 3: his suicide, signing off the message with rest in peace,

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Speaker 9: you know, and the other issues we're dealing with too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think like this is the the crux of what next. Right,

434
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Speaker 5: It's like, we have this, like I don't want to

435
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 5: I don't want to disparage people. We have this tendency

436
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 5: in American politics, this liberal tendency, progressive liberal tendency. Even

437
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 5: to think that like, basically things have been magnificent until

438
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 5: the first week of November in twenty sixteen, right that

439
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: America was progressing on this like linear pathway towards total

440
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: equality and justice for all, and that what's happening now

441
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 5: is an aberration. It's the idea that there's a few

442
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 5: individuals conspiring rather than there is a system which inherently

443
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Speaker 5: creates interests which were opposed.

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Speaker 14: To our own.

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Speaker 9: I guess, yeah, exactly. It's like all of these these

446
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 9: these problems, the genocides, were waging long before Trump came

447
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 9: into power. You know, the economic strains people are feeling

448
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 9: today that people have been feeling for decades for their

449
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 9: entire lives. You know, the climate crisis that is only

450
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 9: worse and this time is going on. You know, all

451
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 9: of this is a problem of that normal, of that

452
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 9: pre Trump normal. And I still hear people asking, you know,

453
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 9: when are things going to go back to normal? When

454
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Speaker 9: can we settle down? When will we go back onto

455
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Speaker 9: the track of normalcy? And well, if you're listening to

456
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 9: this podcast, I think you already know what time it is.

457
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Speaker 9: This is it could happen here. I'm Andrew Sage and

458
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 9: I'm joined.

459
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Speaker 5: By James again here to talk about the new normal.

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Speaker 9: All right and welcome, thank you. The new normal, the

461
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 9: ever shifting normal, the phantom of normal and why it

462
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 9: is that it's really not coming back, and why normalcy

463
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 9: as a concept is actually pretty weird. So part of

464
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Speaker 9: I think what feeds into this notion of normal is

465
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Speaker 9: this myth of progress that people are obsessed with. You know,

466
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Speaker 9: recently I read this book Progress by Samuel Miller McDonald

467
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Speaker 9: and I would like to do a review of it

468
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 9: at some point for the podcast. Butt of it is

469
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Speaker 9: it a get into just how pervasive this concept of

470
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 9: progress is in kind of tripping people up and keeping

471
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 9: us serving systems that don't serve us. You know, you

472
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 9: mentioned progressives earlier, and you know even that notion I

473
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Speaker 9: think of being a progressive. He kind of calls that

474
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Speaker 9: into question in the course of the book, going from

475
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Speaker 9: ancient times to talking about a religious sense of a

476
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 9: promised land to the sort of modern sense of a

477
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 9: secular or technological progressive improvement or a social progressive improvement.

478
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Speaker 9: He identifies it as a story, and a story that's

479
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Speaker 9: so powerful that it acts like a sedative. You know,

480
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 9: we don't engage with the degree in reality the world

481
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 9: around us because be wrapped up in this all powerful

482
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 9: feet were balance of progress or progress is linear, that

483
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 9: we are ever striving forward, you know, and we point

484
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Speaker 9: to examples of things like social progress. But as he

485
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 9: quotes in the book, it's like what Malcolm X said.

486
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Speaker 9: You know, if I stick a knife into you and

487
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 9: I only pull it out three inches, that's our progress.

488
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 9: Put it out six inches, that's our progress. Nine inches,

489
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 9: that's a progress progress will be, you know, removing the

490
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 9: knife completely and mending the wound. But I would take

491
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Speaker 9: it a step further and say that is it really

492
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 9: progress to go back to a state that already was?

493
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Speaker 9: Is it progress to abolish slavery when there was a

494
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Speaker 9: time when slavery did not exist? You know, going back

495
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 9: to a previous default state is not necessarily contributing to

496
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 9: the nat same thing with patriarchy, you know, patriarchy did

497
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 9: not always exist. Eroding and abolishing the patriarchy reaching a

498
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 9: point where the limitations placed on women are no longer

499
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Speaker 9: there can we call that progress or is it just

500
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Speaker 9: rectifying a previously imposed state? And so these are some

501
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 9: of the questions he grapples with. And there's also, of

502
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 9: course the techno utopian promise of you know, we can

503
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 9: in self driving cars any minute, you know, fusion energy

504
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 9: AI and then work forever. You know, all these things

505
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 9: are blind to the social or ecological reality of collapse.

506
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 9: But where else would you say, might see this myth

507
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 9: showing up in politics? I think I covered a good few,

508
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 9: but I might be missing something.

509
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, I mean it's almost in everything, right, Like

510
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 5: it's a fundamental myth of liberal capitalism, I guess. Like

511
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 5: it also underlies a certain logic of colonialism, right, the

512
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 5: idea that like progress towards that then a neoliberal state

513
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 5: is this can be like the logic of explicit or

514
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 5: less explicit colonialism, I guess. But like you see it

515
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 5: there too, right, Like you see it in the sort

516
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 5: of do you see a lot in nineteenth century, So

517
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 5: it's very explicit the idea to uplift, civilize and christianize

518
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 5: our little brown brothers.

519
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, the civil mission, yeah yeah, yeah.

520
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: They're the white man's burden, and these things that became

521
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 5: very very on vogue in the late nineteen thirty twentieth century.

522
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Speaker 5: I suppose you see it a lot there too, right.

523
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Speaker 9: Yeah, this whole notion I think that idents really starts

524
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 9: with the concept of civilization. When you have that civilized

525
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 9: other divide that binary of the civilized and the barbaria,

526
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 9: and or the civilized and the savage, and how that

527
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 9: gets turned into this mission that civilization expands, that you

528
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 9: bring those savage peoples into the fold and you slowly,

529
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Speaker 9: you know, bring them up, make them upright men, and

530
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 9: closer to being human than the state that they were

531
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Speaker 9: in previously. And the whole narrative around that is what

532
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 9: has as it has evolved with time, led to the

533
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 9: situation a bit in now.

534
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

535
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Speaker 9: And there's this idea as well that even when there

536
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Speaker 9: are these ruptures in normal that everything will go back

537
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 9: to its right place. As of people say, you know,

538
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 9: history is a series of unprecedented things, you know, And

539
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 9: one of the unprecedented things in history that I wish

540
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 9: people would realize is not ever going to come back

541
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 9: is that sort of post war economic boom, you know,

542
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 9: that nineteen fifty era growth and excess that has become

543
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 9: the default day that many people are striving to return

544
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 9: into when in reality, something like that is a historical

545
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 9: normally driven by artificially cheap and abundant energy. Yeah, you know,

546
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 9: the normal that people are talking about. Sometimes it's just

547
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 9: this fifty to seventy year fossil fuel binge, a binge

548
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 9: that we are reaching the end of. And I think

549
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 9: a fantasy to believe that we can replicate for all

550
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 9: the time.

551
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 5: Right yeah, but it's the time that so much of

552
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: the like the world that we exist in was created, right,

553
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 5: And like people almost see themselves as like a different

554
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 5: species from human beings in the in the nineteenth century, right, Yeah,

555
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 5: they can't conceive of society that way.

556
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 9: Exactly exactly, And it's something that I've been well on

557
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 9: because like, what a time to be alive to see,

558
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 9: you know, personal cars being so ubiquitous. But the ubiquity

559
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 9: of personal cars is an aberration. It's a historical laboration.

560
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 9: It's not one that is likely to be sustainable in

561
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 9: the long term. You know, even if there are electric

562
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 9: cars taking a place of gas powered vehicles and we

563
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 9: run out of gas oil, even the materials in story

564
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 9: to produce electric cars are not always going to be around.

565
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 9: They're not always going to exist. We can't supplement each

566
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 9: and every individual person with a car for all of time,

567
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 9: you know. Yeah, so many of the rare earth minerals

568
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 9: that are again quite rare, we've we've spent them on

569
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 9: things that that may serve a novelty or an interest

570
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 9: in the short term, but it's something that we can

571
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Speaker 9: maintain forever. You know. I hear people talking about this

572
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 9: EI bubble, you know, and it is in the sense

573
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 9: of the financial markets, the financial aspect of AI and

574
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 9: how it's affecting our perception of the economy and whether

575
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 9: that bubble is going to boost economically. But I'm more

576
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 9: interested in the EI bubble in the sense that how

577
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 9: long can this EI everywhere thing persist when the material

578
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 9: is necessary to maintain it because it is material, despite

579
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 9: the sort of cloud marketing they get associated with it.

580
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 9: How long until we run out of those materials, until

581
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 9: those material needs cannot be sustained.

582
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, we keep shifting, like the goalposts, but like the terrain,

583
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 5: right like you know, we okay, well we've run out

584
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 5: of fossil fuel, so that's fine. We will do electric okay,

585
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 5: we you know, with the electric actu She relies on

586
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 5: on rares. So that's fine, We're fine. Different thing to

587
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: make batteries out of fra other than acknowledging that like

588
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: we've created a system, or we'll just.

589
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 9: Go to space.

590
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, and and trash another planet for another

591
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 5: few hundred years. You know, when you're driving your track

592
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 5: and you have a lot of stuff in it and

593
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 5: it's hitting the end of the rev counter, you know,

594
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 5: like you're trying to pass someone, it's bouncing. It's in

595
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 5: the red zone. Like we've been running in the red zone,

596
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 5: certainly for most of this century, you know, since the

597
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 5: Industrial Revolution, or certainly since the end of the Second

598
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 5: World War. And like sustainability is a phrase that's been

599
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 5: co opted, but like it's just not possible to keep

600
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Speaker 5: doing it.

601
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's really an anomaly, U blipin our timeline,

602
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 9: I would say, And I think ruptures in that normalcy,

603
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 9: like the ruptural experience and now provides an opportunity for

604
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 9: us to you know, take an eggs at ramp to

605
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 9: kind of control the transition, to control our descent. But instead,

606
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 9: you know, it seems like we were just rapidly moving

607
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 9: towards the more forceful transition the transition made so by

608
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 9: the laws of physics, and that transition I don't think

609
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 9: will be nearly as pleasant as it could be. You know.

610
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 9: That's why a lot of people call it collapse, and

611
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 9: that transition is being delayed currently, both the collapse of

612
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 9: the material resources and also the collapse of the financial

613
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 9: economic system. That stuff has been delayed by rent seeking,

614
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 9: by new frontiers or exploitation, and by ramping up theft

615
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 9: in parts of the world that we're not as pillaged

616
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 9: as other parts of the world, or ramping up surveillance

617
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 9: and violence to make it harder to resist. But eventually

618
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 9: is going to hit, you know, and I hate that

619
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 9: it makes me sound like a second comment of Jesus

620
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 9: conspiracist or something like that, just like well, yeah, it's coming,

621
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 9: it's coming, you know, like like like I'm a profit

622
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 9: screaming into the into the streets. But you know, it

623
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 9: may not be some kind of prophesiede end times, but

624
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 9: we are approaching that point, you know, where that sort

625
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 9: of narrative of economic growth going back to normal. You know,

626
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 9: there's this big group project of making the literature because

627
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 9: that rise and tide will lift all boats. You know,

628
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 9: there's this story that everybody wins, that nobody will have

629
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 9: to lose anything because the pie will just keep getting bigger.

630
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 9: It has to come to an end.

631
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Speaker 5: It's amazing how long it's lasted, right, Like, certain group

632
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 5: of society has been able to make the rest of

633
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 5: society believe that the pie will just keep getting bigger

634
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 5: when the pie has got smaller for most people, you know,

635
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 5: certainly for the last few decades, but arguably you know,

636
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 5: like lives have become worse for us since the Industrial

637
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 5: Revolution in some ways.

638
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 9: Right exactly. And you know, people will point to improvements

639
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 9: in health and sanitation. Sure, you can have improvements in

640
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 9: health and sanitation without all this other baggage though, Yeah,

641
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 9: you know, we can have improvements in literacy without literally

642
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 9: poisoning our fresh water and bleaching our oceans and killing

643
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 9: off biodiversity by the millions of species.

644
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not a like a package deal, right, Like

645
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 5: we can have vaccination against diseases without having super fun sites.

646
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 5: We didn't need one to make the others. It's not

647
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 5: a like this way or the Dark Ages.

648
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 9: Exactly exactly. For example, all London had to do I mean,

649
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 9: I'm oversimplifying, but all London had to do was stop

650
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 9: dumping their sewage in the Thames.

651
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's a remarkable It's

652
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 5: not that hard. But like just look at the disposal

653
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 5: of hazardous waste and the way that rather than being like, huh,

654
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 5: maybe we should stop making waste, it will be hazardous

655
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: for centuries. For the better part of one hundred years,

656
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 5: we've just been finding somewhere else to put it.

657
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, just keep just keep dumping it.

658
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

659
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 9: Even as a child, I was like, what are we

660
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 9: supposed to do with all these moms in the garbage? Like, like,

661
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 9: are we just going to keep on piling it's up

662
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 9: until we reach the moon?

663
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's like it in San Diego they

664
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 5: dump these dump it in the bay. There's a whole

665
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 5: part of our bay which used to be a landfill site.

666
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 5: And like I like to to free dive sometimes I

667
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 5: would be practicing or diving in the bay or whatever,

668
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 5: and like you dive down and be like, the fuck

669
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 5: is a barbecue grill doing on the bottom of the ocean?

670
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 5: And people just continue to chuck shit into the bay, right, Like,

671
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 5: even though we have another landfill, what we put it now?

672
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 9: No, But you see games it's like that barbecue grill

673
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 9: was seven dollars on TMO Yeah, right, you can't pass

674
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 9: up that deal, you know.

675
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and then when it when it turns out

676
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 5: to be absolut crap, it will be on our planet

677
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 5: for longer than any of us. But we've created a

678
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 5: system where there's no disincentive to buy a t moou

679
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 5: barbecue grill, use it once, and then throw it into

680
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 5: the bay. And like we can't see that that's a problem.

681
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, because of how this system is set up,

682
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 9: you don't have to think about it. We had a second,

683
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 9: why is the barbecue grill seven dollars? You know, who

684
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 9: is suffering so that this barbecue real? For example?

685
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 5: Yeah? Right, because they were so detached from that, right, Like,

686
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 5: despite being so connected, we're also so far away from

687
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 5: the people who the misery is a consequence of our

688
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 5: consumption or of the system which which makes our consumption

689
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: the way it is exactly.

690
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 9: And you know, instead of thinking about how we can

691
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 9: make society resilient, how we can reasonably and ethically, with

692
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 9: consideration for seven generations, use the resources that we have,

693
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 9: and without endless throughput all the years, continue to chase growth,

694
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 9: they continue to progress perpetually like a cancer. Yeah, you know,

695
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 9: and everybody's seeing the consequences. At this point, the work

696
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 9: situation is getting worse because these platforms, these these employers

697
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 9: are finding ways to game the label laws. You know,

698
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 9: we're seeing shrinking margins and sit in sectors. Because when

699
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 9: you rely on growth, when that growth comes to an end,

700
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 9: there's nowhere else to grow. You have to squeeze what

701
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 9: there is. What's the phrase squeeze blood out of a stone. Yeah,

702
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 9: you know, you have to force over work. You have

703
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 9: to and shitify existence services so that you can extract

704
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 9: more subscriptions, more pay months, more upgrades, whatever the case.

705
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 9: Maybe the liverability of entire cities of it has been

706
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 9: wiped out because you know, you have ABNB and a

707
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 9: private companies holing out something as basic as hose in

708
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 9: for all, and so the pressure is to keep the

709
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 9: whole machine run and just how ways any long term considerations.

710
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 9: I keep saying this normal was never sustainable. I will say, though,

711
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 9: when we criticize the system and we call it out

712
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 9: and we talk about how these leaders are pushing things

713
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 9: in a certain direction, they are, But at the same time,

714
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 9: it's easy to fall into this notion that they are

715
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 9: manipulating the whole thing, you know, that they manage the

716
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 9: system in its entirety. It's tempting to see the system

717
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 9: as coherent, you know, to act like it's all piloted

718
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 9: by one vidual or group as some wise or malevolent

719
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 9: parental figure. And you know, these institutions, they all rely

720
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 9: to vary lining degrees under the appearance of competence, right.

721
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 9: But I think what recent times has revealed is that

722
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 9: things are a lot messier than that. That political leaders

723
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 9: know that they don't know, but won't admit that they

724
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 9: don't know, or they don't know that they don't know,

725
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 9: and in either case, they are pretending or believing that

726
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 9: they have this grip on things that they can anticipate

727
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 9: and smooth out the shocks to the system. You know,

728
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 9: there are those who think that if they share the

729
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 9: honest truth, that they could trigger a panic into populace.

730
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 9: So they think they're doing something you know, brave and

731
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 9: benevolent by not giving people all the information they need

732
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 9: and whose yet they failed by sharing all the information

733
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 9: that needed to make accurate decisions, that they might lose investments,

734
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 9: They might lose investors. You know that the economy will

735
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 9: take a hitter as results. That's why you have situations

736
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 9: where like when the Texas grid field in twenty twenty one,

737
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 9: that the officials were insistent that it was stable and

738
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 9: so they wasn't, you know, Or for the years the

739
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 9: UK is has water, it's what infrastructure is used, it

740
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 9: continues to claim that thing's under control, and sewage were

741
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 9: still getting into people's reverse. Yeah you know.

742
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I think a lot about Flint, Michigan, where

743
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 5: the water that people have to drink to survive is

744
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 5: killing them. And this has been happening. We've known about

745
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 5: it for a decade, and there have been a series

746
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 5: of politicians for both parties who have just been like, yeah, no,

747
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 5: don't worry, We've got this cupboard, and like that. We

748
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 5: fundamentally have not got this cupboard right. But the machine

749
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 5: is moving so far so no one person can can

750
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 5: stop and turn it around because the machine will just

751
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 5: bulldoze them.

752
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 9: Yep. It's not as steady as and stable as it

753
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 9: puts forward. You know, in fact that that whole image

754
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 9: of the system as coherent stays stable. I think it

755
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 9: also seems to keep us from defying it. Yeah, you know,

756
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 9: because we get this sense that yeah, this is this,

757
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 9: like this this behema of this all powerful love crafty

758
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 9: and entity that us may have. Individuals come truly challenge

759
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 9: when there are things that we can do directly to

760
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 9: throw you know, spokes in the wheel, if that's the expression, No,

761
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 9: it's something in this spooks.

762
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 5: Yeahs Spanner when sticking the spokes maybe right?

763
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 9: Yeah? Sure? Would you say there was like a pit

764
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 9: secular moment when you realize that nobody actually knew what

765
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 9: they were doing? Though, Yeah, I'm trying.

766
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 5: To think if it was like a momental recognition for

767
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 5: me or like a sort of gradual one. You know.

768
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 5: I think a few of the times, like you see

769
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 5: it a lot when you travel more, right, because the

770
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 5: perception that, like we are helping here, we've got this

771
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 5: under control. Like I think with immigration it's a great

772
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 5: example actually, right, Like so I've obviously spent a lot

773
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 5: of time with the immigrants, and I think you see this.

774
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 5: I remember twenty eighteen we had the migrant caravan, right,

775
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 5: Like there have been many migrant caravans, this one was

776
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 5: just coincided with a mid term in a way that

777
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 5: allowed it to become like a political football, and the

778
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 5: American government is like, we are stopping them at the

779
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 5: border so we can check if everyone's okay. And government

780
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 5: in Mexico is like, well, we are taking care of them.

781
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 5: And you get there and you're like fuck, like these

782
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 5: people haven't had water today, and like at that point,

783
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 5: you know, I was already sort of predisposed to thinking

784
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 5: that perhaps the state didn't have all the answers, and

785
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 5: like to be clear that Mexican states a lot more

786
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 5: than the US state in this instance, and provided these

787
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 5: people with a place to be, which it would have

788
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 5: been much worse if they hadn't had that, But like

789
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 5: it was just this realization. I was with a few friends.

790
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 5: All of us happened at the time to be full

791
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 5: time bicycle people, so we didn't have jobs that needed

792
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 5: us to be like in a place at nine am.

793
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 5: So that realization that like, if these people are going

794
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 5: to get water today, it's going to be because we

795
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 5: go to Costco and buy all the water bottles and

796
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 5: then we we ride back whilst slowly destroying the suspension

797
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 5: of this pickup truck we've got so much weight in it,

798
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 5: and give them out, like because no one else is

799
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 5: going to right and like there's this whole world of

800
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 5: NGOs and governments and states and like didn't matter right

801
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 5: this people stidn't have water.

802
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a lot of rule for direct action still.

803
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

804
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 9: And the part was that be're not as competent as

805
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 9: they may a first glance appear. In other words, if

806
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 9: they say they have everything under control, don't believe them.

807
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 5: Yeah.

808
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 9: I think also that instability within this system is part

809
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 9: of it, you know, it's part of how it works.

810
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 9: It's part of what's necessary for it to keep going.

811
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 9: The competitive tune of the capitalist markets, the shifts of

812
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 9: industries that you know upgroove people's lives just part of

813
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 9: how the system operates. You know, the booms and bus

814
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 9: in real estate, they all always for the powers that

815
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 9: be to expand their wealth in some way, to expand

816
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 9: their regions and territories, and people, for the most part,

817
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 9: just go along with it. You know, daily life is

818
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 9: complex as it is. Without having to grapple with the

819
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 9: full scale of all the global issues, you know, the

820
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 9: following the leader, just going along with what they say,

821
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 9: it does give you some psychological breathing room. You know,

822
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 9: it's hard to grapple the existential threats that we face.

823
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 9: I don't have time too in many cases, especially when

824
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 9: you have an administrative strategy that involves flooding the zone

825
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 9: with so much mess, with so much drama, with so

826
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 9: many different controversies and lies and incidents, that it feels

827
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 9: like the best thing to do is just throw your

828
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 9: hands up and your foot And then I'm speaking both

829
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 9: from the perspective of what I'm observing in the Chunitian

830
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 9: government and what I'm observing in the American government. But

831
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 9: I see this attitude of our guns, callousness, and corruption.

832
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 9: So I'm not even trying to maintain a veneer of

833
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 9: legitimacy or intelligence or anything like that. Studies go through

834
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 9: the motions to provide the things that it claims it's

835
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 9: necessary to provide, you know, but they're feeling that even that,

836
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 9: and they're so cocky about it. They're so careless about

837
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 9: it too. So they're smiling in your face and lying

838
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 9: to you. Yeah, people do see what's happening, and they're

839
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 9: responding in a couple of different ways. You know. They panic,

840
00:55:54,280 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 9: of course, or they fall into conspiracies, or they deny

841
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 9: that there is an actual problem. They continue to insist

842
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 9: that everything is normal, that everything is fine. If they

843
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 9: double down, they hustle harder, they consume more, they carry

844
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 9: on as if nothing's wrong. And there are those who

845
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 9: see that something is wrong, but they see everybody else

846
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 9: carrying on as if everything is fine, and so they

847
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 9: go along as well, you know. Or there are people,

848
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 9: of course who disengage, who are burnt out to a

849
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 9: numb who are just drifting or going through the emotions.

850
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 9: But only a portion have turned to challenge the concept

851
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 9: of normal itself, whether it is that they're experimenting with

852
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 9: simpler living, developing some program for survival, some strategy either

853
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 9: for themselves, for their household, of their community, engaging mutual support.

854
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 9: And of course this is only a portion of the

855
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 9: population because many of us, like fishing water, you know,

856
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 9: we can't really recognize the socioeconomic structure that we are within.

857
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 9: It's hard to recognize what you are immersed in as

858
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 9: a thing itself, and so really in seeing and reading

859
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 9: about alternatives that you can get a glimpse of this

860
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 9: normalcy and question to realize that this system isn't natural

861
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 9: or inevitable. There's an aberration destined to decline no matter

862
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 9: how much we want to believe otherwise that the script

863
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 9: of work, in consuming career, in accumulating property in all

864
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 9: is unnormal. That is actually kind of weird, you know, like,

865
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 9: it's strange that an entire society is dependent upon globe

866
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 9: spanning supply chains, volatile markets, and oriented entirely around the

867
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 9: quarterly evenens of elites. You know, it's strange that whiteness, maleness, cis,

868
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 9: heteronous evilness are treated as the default, the starter kit,

869
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 9: even though only a fraction of humanity fits in any

870
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 9: one of those molds, let alone the combination of all

871
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 9: of the You know, it's strange that normal is so

872
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 9: narrowly conformist with those who don't conform a marginalized It's

873
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 9: strange that normal means an illusion of independence, the disguises

874
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 9: the webs. You will always rely on that. You can

875
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 9: claim to be independent and say, yeah, well I just

876
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 9: bought that seven dollar grill of TMU, and not think

877
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 9: about the the well of relationships that brought that seven

878
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 9: dollar grill to your doorstep and eventually to the landfill.

879
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 9: You get to feel self sufficient while the system hides

880
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 9: the label the ecosystems logistics, and the people hold them up.

881
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 5: I'm just thinking now about like people whose whole thing

882
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 5: is being like homesteaders, but their homesteading is in itself

883
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 5: a performance for the global supply or like the global

884
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 5: market for distracting or entertainment or whatever you want to

885
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 5: call it, right Like, and they do not exist outside

886
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 5: of those supply chains, but like they are doing this

887
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 5: performance of of like independence because they are so codependent,

888
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 5: right Like, like they exist to generate like a revenue

889
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 5: or affiliate links or however influences make money, sponsorships.

890
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it's like one of the influencers. Yeah.

891
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 11: Yeah.

892
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 5: Like there's a guy who I remember like a year

893
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 5: ago am because I'm like, I know, broken inside. I

894
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 5: had gotten to an argument with someone on x dot com.

895
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this guy was like posing as a homesteader,

896
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 5: and like, you know, I grew up on a farm, right,

897
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 5: Like I've I spent lots of my life around like

898
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 5: domestic animals and around domestic like I know how to

899
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 5: fix things, I know what tools look like when you

900
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 5: use them, and like this guy was very clearly just

901
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 5: posing and posing a series of photos. It just really

902
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 5: like I don't know why that particularly threw me for

903
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 5: a loop, right, But like the idea that this guy

904
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 5: is performing performing independence for a system he himself is reinforced.

905
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 5: It was just such a strange thing to understand.

906
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, a system means dependent on.

907
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, a system he's entirely dependent on, like more

908
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 5: so than most of us even, right, Like, he makes

909
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 5: nothing other than photographs so that people look at on

910
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 5: their phones. Like, he makes no tangible product, Like at

911
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 5: least if you're a you know, you could be a

912
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 5: cabinet maker, right, and yeah, you install kitchens for each people,

913
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 5: but you know how to make things with your hands.

914
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,479
Speaker 5: This guy just gets, you know, a saw that looks

915
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 5: like I hadn't been used since he had Wardian era

916
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 5: and stands around for photos next to a log in

917
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 5: the same breath. I guess that I condemn that. I

918
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 5: feel like the way that we deal with the end

919
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 5: of this, it's the same way that we help each

920
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 5: other get through the middle of this and the and

921
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 5: the collapse of it. Right, Like, I've seen people do

922
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 5: mutual aid with such scarce resources and manage to make

923
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 5: such amazing things, both in terms of like physical objects

924
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 5: and in terms of like these beautiful things we do

925
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 5: for each other. We're so little and like the ingenuity

926
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 5: that's still there. It's not like people have forgotten how

927
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 5: to exist without temu, right, but we just haven't created

928
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 5: a way a situation where we have to and in

929
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 5: mutual aid spaces. I sometimes feel like we already have

930
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 5: the solution to this, which is to depend on and

931
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 5: care for each other. It's just that we need that

932
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 5: to be the way we do everything, not just some.

933
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 9: Stuff exactly exactly. You know, the whole homestead and fantasy

934
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 9: is very comforting illusion and fiction in my view, because

935
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 9: if we're talking about going back to the land, people

936
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 9: who live on the land, who live off of the land,

937
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 9: they did so in community. Yeah, you know, very very

938
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 9: very very rarely did someone live entirely by themselves without

939
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 9: contact and anyone else. Because you can't be an axe

940
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 9: maker and a carpenter and a cook and you know,

941
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 9: a farmer and a hood and all these different things,

942
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 9: all of these different roles, a medicine maker, all these

943
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 9: different things at the same time. That is why we

944
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 9: as a species have survived and succeeded, because we are

945
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 9: able to share our skills with others and you know,

946
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 9: collectively accomplish more than the summer of our parts.

947
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a fantasy. I was recently in a place

948
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 5: called Chako Kanyon. I don't know if you've if you're

949
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 5: familiar with Chako Kanyon at all, No, but there's this

950
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 5: idea I think that like pre the arrival of capitalism,

951
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 5: that's how Indigenous people lived. And it's just not like like, yeah,

952
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 5: this was a large, thriving communitium. I'm interested in Chako

953
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 5: Kanyon because I'm interested in what you're talking about, like

954
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 5: a society which consume at an unsustainable level and then

955
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 5: collapsed and what came.

956
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: Out of it.

957
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 5: But what came out of it is what kept the

958
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 5: working class people in that society of life throughout it,

959
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 5: which is helping each other, right, Like yeah, sure people

960
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 5: have these little plots where they grew grain, but also

961
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 5: like by doing their ceremonies, by coming together in community,

962
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 5: they had something which could sustain them even when the

963
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 5: economic reality completely changed for them. And it's like it's

964
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 5: that part that people forget, right that they think they

965
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 5: can Yeah, they think they can grow their own food.

966
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah you can, But when you need a new plow,

967
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 5: what are you going to do? You're going to buy

968
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 5: a forge on TMU, you know, like it's so detached

969
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 5: from the way anyone has ever lived.

970
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, it is, and it kind of lasts, and me perstatly,

971
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 9: I would rather not wait until supply chains break down

972
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 9: completely and stones wipe the sleep and out's cut all

973
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 9: communication none. I would rather wait for those things to

974
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 9: create and sustain those networks of dependence, networks of interdependent

975
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 9: so it's local networks of aid and cultural practice and

976
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 9: you know, meeting of mutual needs. There's a saying that

977
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 9: the sort of hustle bros would say that your network

978
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 9: is your net worth, and to that I must concur

979
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 9: you know, the community support and the share resources. They're

980
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 9: going to matter a lot more than your personal purchase

981
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 9: and power. Being part of something is emotionally easier than

982
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 9: carrying everything alone. The matter now and the matter even

983
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 9: more in the future, as crisis makes the invisible all

984
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 9: too visible. The normal that we remember is an illusion,

985
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 9: but once you've seen it, you can't unsee. I think

986
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 9: the departure from normal is an opportunity or chance to

987
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 9: make something battle, to be adaptable to the shocks that

988
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 9: come with courage and with clarity, and I hope that

989
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 9: this conversation is able to put towards when I'm sure

990
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 9: that I'm not alone in feeling. That's all for me today,

991
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 9: all about what to old people. Peace.

992
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 5: Hi friends, and welcome to the show. It's me James today,

993
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 5: and I'm very lucky to be joined by Sam Hamilton,

994
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 5: who is the senior litigation staff attorney at Asian Americans

995
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 5: Advancing Justice Atlanta.

996
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 7: Hi Sam, Hi James, Thanks for having me.

997
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for joining us. And we are gathered here

998
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 5: today to talk about the new proposals that DHS has

999
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 5: to detain people in literal warehouses. Right, if people aren't familiar,

1000
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 5: maybe you could die out by explaining what those proposals

1001
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 5: are and how they specifically relate to the areas where

1002
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 5: you're organizing in Atlanta.

1003
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 15: Sure So, Around December of twenty twenty five, a journalist

1004
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 15: leaked a list of about twenty different cities across the

1005
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 15: country where ICE was intending to open new detention facilities

1006
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 15: in warehouses specifically. And this list contained the names of

1007
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 15: the cities and the expected or projected occupancy of each

1008
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 15: of these facilities. And so I live here in Atlanta, Georgia,

1009
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 15: and there were two cities on that list with warehouses contemplated.

1010
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 7: One is located.

1011
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 15: In the city of Flowery Branch, where the warehouse there

1012
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 15: is is intended to detain up to one thousand, five

1013
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 15: hundred people. And the other is in the city of

1014
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 15: Social Circle, Georgia, where ICE intends to use a warehouse

1015
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 15: that is over one million square feet to detain about

1016
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 15: eight five hundred people.

1017
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 5: That's vast, Like I think that this would dwarf the

1018
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 5: capacity of any Like I'm trying to think if there

1019
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 5: are maybe prisons sort of bigger than that. I don't know,

1020
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 5: but like in immigration terms, I don't think there is anything.

1021
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, you know, So for the last four

1022
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 15: years or so, I've worked I've worked on various different

1023
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,439
Speaker 15: shutdown ICE campaigns here in Georgia, and for the last

1024
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 15: four years I've been working with the campaign to shut

1025
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 15: down the Folkston Ice Processing Center, which is an ice

1026
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 15: facility in South Georgia pretty close to Florida, but it's

1027
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 15: about a five hour drive from Atlanta, and that ended

1028
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 15: up expanding lasts summer. But the number of beds at

1029
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 15: that facility was projected to be around three thousand, and

1030
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 15: at the time that was going to be the largest

1031
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 15: ice attention facility in the country. So to jump from

1032
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 15: three thousand to eighty five hundred is yeah, it's massive, obviously.

1033
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean people wanted to like it's not fascism enough.

1034
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 5: It comes from the Fascio Rain area of Italy, right,

1035
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 5: otherwise it's like sparkling authoritarianism or whatever. But like unless

1036
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 5: you're looking for like a gate with our Beckmark Fry

1037
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 5: on it or whatever, like these are concentration camps. Like

1038
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 5: that is what this is. It was really interesting in

1039
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three we had out the outdoor attention under

1040
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 5: the Biden administration, and like we didn't really have much

1041
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 5: coverage in the US media when we were participating in

1042
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 5: mutual aid there, but we'd had a lot from non

1043
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 5: US media, like folks from Japan and Singapore and Italy,

1044
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 5: and they'd just come and be like, oh, yeah, it's

1045
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 5: a concentration camp. And then they'd write the story and

1046
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 5: be like these concentration camps. And I think I would

1047
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 5: never have got that past an editor in LA or

1048
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 5: New York. To them, it seems so self evident. Now

1049
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 5: we're just doing it on an even bigger scale. I

1050
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 5: guess it's it's terrible. It's the ship. So I know

1051
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 5: you've been organizing in social circle specifically, right or part

1052
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 5: of an organizing group, I should say that it's been

1053
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 5: opposing this detention center. So I think it'll be really

1054
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 5: instructive to people because either are all of these are

1055
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 5: going to be all over the country, and this won't

1056
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 5: be the only expansion of immigration detention we see in

1057
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 5: the next few years. I imagine, given the massive budget

1058
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 5: and the priorities to the administration, can you explain a

1059
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 5: little bit about like how that campaign got started and

1060
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 5: then like the nuts and bolts of how this is

1061
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 5: being opposed.

1062
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 15: Yeah, So before I get into that, I think providing

1063
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 15: some context on who the social circle community is it

1064
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 15: will be, you know, would be instructive. So it's a

1065
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 15: pretty small it's a very small city. It's got a

1066
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 15: population of about five thousand people, overwhelmingly Republican, overwhelmingly white,

1067
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 15: and pretty wealthy, Okay, And it's about an.

1068
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,520
Speaker 7: Hour drive outside of Atlanta.

1069
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 15: And in December of twenty twenty five, a news article

1070
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 15: was published in the Washington Post announcing, you know, the

1071
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 15: list of the twenty cities where these warehouses would be

1072
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 15: would be popping up. And it was that article that

1073
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 15: told the residents of Social Circle and the elected officials

1074
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 15: of Social Circle for the first time that this ICE

1075
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 15: mega prison was coming to their community. There was no

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 15: notice to the city by ICE or anyone in the

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01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 15: federal government at all, certainly no opportunity to respond, no

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01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 15: opportunity for public input.

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01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 7: So they felt really blindsided.

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01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,799
Speaker 15: Yeah, and I'm not this community, and you know, I've

1081
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 15: met many of these people only for the first time,

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01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 15: you know, within the last couple of months. But I

1083
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 15: think it would not be so far fetched to say

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01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 15: that some of these people feel, you know, especially the

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01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 15: ones who identify as Republicans or as you know, conservatives,

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01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 15: I think they feel really betrayed by you know, by

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 15: their government, by their party. Yeah, and so you know,

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01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 15: a lot of these people, I mean I've just described

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 15: the demographic. I think many of them have never been

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01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 15: involved in organizing of any kind before. Some of them have,

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01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 15: I think, but I think due to you know, their

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01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 15: life circumstances, just might not have found themselves in a

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01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 15: place where they've needed to organize for anything. So a

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01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 15: bunch of these residents got together and have been holding

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01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 15: you know, in person kind of town hall community meetings,

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Speaker 15: and they held one in January where they were about

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01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 15: you know, I think forty to fifty people in the room,

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01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 15: and they wanted to get together and you know, just

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01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 15: have a public discourse about what could be done. And

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01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 15: I was invited to this meeting because of my history

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01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 15: of involvement with shutdown campaigns here in Georgia.

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01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 7: I got started with shutdown campaigns in.

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01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 15: Twenty twenty, okay, when a nurse, a whistleblower who worked

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01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 15: at an immigration detention center here in Georgia called the

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01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 15: Irwin County Detention Center, alerted the public that there was

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01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 15: a doctor who was contracting with ICE who had been,

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01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 15: you know, providing medical services to women detained in this facility. Well,

1108
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 15: he had actually been performing non consensual and medically unnecessary

1109
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 15: medical and gynecological procedures.

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 7: On women in ICE attention.

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01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 15: Remember this here, Yeah, And when these women spoke out

1112
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 15: about it to their family members, to journalists, to their

1113
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 15: law layers, to members of Congress, our staffers for members

1114
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 15: of Congress, they were retaliated against by being swiftly deported

1115
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 15: and I'm talking put on planes within hours.

1116
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 7: Of speaking to a congressional staffer.

1117
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 15: And at the time, I was working at the University

1118
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 15: of Georgia, School of Laws First Amendment Clinic where we

1119
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 15: were providing you know, free legal services to people across

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 15: the state, including you know, helping people with getting access

1121
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 15: to public records and suing the police and you know

1122
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 15: and federal agents. Yeah, when they were retaliated against. And

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01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 15: so we represented those women. And it was through my

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01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 15: work at Irwin and you know, connecting with the organizers there,

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01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 15: that I got involved with shut down campaigns, or rather

1126
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 15: the shutdown Irwin campaign here in Georgia, and then from

1127
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 15: there later got involved with the shutdown folks in campaigns.

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01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 15: So I had been asked to speak to this group

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 15: of people who I think were new to the immigrants

1130
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 15: rights struggle, to talk about, you know, what it's like

1131
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 15: to try to prevent a detention center from popping up

1132
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 15: in their community.

1133
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 5: And because they like, it's not a community that might

1134
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 5: traditionally be demographically the same as the people who we

1135
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 5: associate with like microan advocacy, migroan activism. I guess when

1136
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 5: a group like that comes into a moment like this,

1137
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 5: I mean there are some areas of like activism, I

1138
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 5: guess civil society stuff, where like white suburban folks have

1139
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 5: some experience, right planning is one of them, right, Like

1140
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 5: the recent bike planes only go north south in San

1141
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 5: Diego is because they think that those of us who

1142
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 5: can't afford live by the sea don't deserve to cycle safely.

1143
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 5: Like there are many other examples of this. But what

1144
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 5: there were there like thoughts when they when they first met.

1145
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 5: I'm really interested to know that. Like they're obviously upset

1146
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 5: and they feel abandoned and betrayed, but like, how did

1147
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 5: they want to organize to prevent this?

1148
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 15: Well, a lot of them were upset about the decrease

1149
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 15: in their property value. That was what was really breaking down. Yeah,

1150
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,839
Speaker 15: that was that was the redicalizing movement.

1151
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 5: Same with the bike lanes.

1152
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 7: Actually, oh yeah, I bet yeah. And you know, but in.

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01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 15: Addition to the property value stuff, it's also you know,

1154
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 15: the strain that this would impose on their small community.

1155
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 7: I mean, you know a number of the people who.

1156
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 15: Live there might be of you know, well to do means,

1157
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 15: but you know, their city police department employs a total

1158
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 15: of fourteen officers and they have two on duty at

1159
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 15: any given time. They have a fire department of you know,

1160
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 15: comparably you know, small size, and they have you know,

1161
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 15: water and sewer infrastructure that was built to accommodate about

1162
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 15: as many people as live there now, you know, between

1163
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 15: four thousand and five thousand people. And it's that impact

1164
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 15: that is also you know, really maddening and activating and

1165
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 15: agitating to people. Those arguments are not new to us

1166
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 15: who have organized in South Georgia and also very red areas,

1167
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 15: a lot more rural and a lot less wealthy. Yeah,

1168
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 15: you know, we'll try to We've canvas door to door

1169
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 15: in the city of Folkston to try to ask people

1170
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 15: how do they feel about this mega prison opening up

1171
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 15: in their community, and a lot of people, you know,

1172
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 15: we're against it, despite the fact government officials might try

1173
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 15: to bill it as you know, an economic boon, you know,

1174
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 15: unemployment opportunity. A lot of people said like, hey, I mean,

1175
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 15: I don't necessarily want a prison in my backyard, but

1176
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 15: if it's bringing jobs, then you know, that's what this

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01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,839
Speaker 15: community needs. That's something that I think makes Social Circle

1178
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 15: distinct from the previous shutdown campaigns I've worked on in

1179
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 15: Irwin County and in Folkston is that this isn't really

1180
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 15: an area that is starved for employment or starved for

1181
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 15: you know, economic support, Like these people are doing okay.

1182
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 7: And you know, another thing that makes it distinct.

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 15: Is before all of this warehouse business, the vast majority

1184
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 15: of facilities in this country are formed through intergovernmental service agreements,

1185
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 15: you know, or iggsa's for short, is the acronym. But

1186
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 15: there are agreements between the federal government and the county,

1187
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 15: the local government where the local government says, yes, you

1188
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 15: can use our land or our facilities, and in exchange

1189
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 15: you pay us I mean in the case of folks,

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01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 15: and it's a comparably measly amount. It's only two hundred

1191
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 15: thousand dollars per years. Not much, yeah, even though the

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01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 15: federal government is giving i mean fifty million dollars a

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01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 15: year to insert your favorite private prison corporation here, you know,

1194
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:55,839
Speaker 15: whether it's corcivic or geogroup.

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01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean your favorite.

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01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 5: There are only two, really, yeah, not much of a joice.

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01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1198
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 15: And so typically, like we see this sort of like

1200
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 15: co opting and manipulation of the local community and the

1201
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 15: local government by the federal government, you know, coercing them

1202
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 15: economically to you know, to take on these detention centers

1203
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 15: or else. But here I mean social like I said,

1204
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 15: Social Circle is doing fine. They're not starved for economic investment,

1205
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 15: and I didn't you know, consult them at all. It

1206
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 15: really just like, you know, in the dead of night,

1207
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 15: just bought this warehouse from a private company and pushed

1208
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 15: this deal through. So those are some aspects that I

1209
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 15: think might throw you know, some of us who might

1210
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 15: have been involved in these similar fights before, like for

1211
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 15: a loop a little bit, because yeah, there's this assumption

1212
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 15: I think by some of the local officials that the

1213
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 15: supremacy clause governs here and the federal government can do

1214
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 15: whatever it wants. So there's no point in us trying

1215
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 15: to use our local zoning ordinances or what have you

1216
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 15: to try to put a stop to this, because there's

1217
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 15: nothing that we can do, right is at least what

1218
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 15: you know, some people might be.

1219
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 5: Saying, yeah, let's take a break for advertisements. I can't

1220
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 5: think of anything mean to say, I know, buy some

1221
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 5: shit this have come from, or don't buy anything you

1222
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 5: don't need. Okay, we are back. So you were talking

1223
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 5: about this assumption that the supremacy close would mean that

1224
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 5: the federal government could build a mega prison in a

1225
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 5: warehouse in your town without asking you if it could

1226
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 5: do that. First, can you explain, like how people are

1227
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 5: able to use, like you said, like various local tools

1228
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 5: to oppose is like you said, it's a huge burden.

1229
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 5: Like when I first read this story, I remember thinking about, like,

1230
01:19:55,200 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 5: just like the water and sewage demands of housing eight

1231
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 5: thousand people would be crippling for the infrastructure in a

1232
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 5: lot of places. So how are people opposing this?

1233
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 7: Well, it's been.

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01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 15: Really inspiring for me to see these local leaders who

1235
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 15: again many of whom have you know, never been involved

1236
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 15: in activism we're organizing before.

1237
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:19,799
Speaker 7: They've been very.

1238
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 15: Consistent in holding demonstrations on a weekly basis at the

1239
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 15: site of this facility and have garnered the attention of

1240
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 15: different media who have come and interviewed them. So that's

1241
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 15: been one way that they've been trying to you know,

1242
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 15: get their message out there. I was just talking about,

1243
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 15: you know, the residents who are concerned from you know,

1244
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 15: sort of fiscal perspective and are concerned about you know,

1245
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 15: their own property values and things like that. But there

1246
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 15: are a fair number of people who are concerned about

1247
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:58,440
Speaker 15: you know, the core human rights abuses and you know sures.

1248
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 15: Some of the line might be well this isn't the

1249
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 15: right place, you know, our city is not the right

1250
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 15: place for a detention center, suggesting, you know, implying that

1251
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 15: there are some places that are suitable for a detention center.

1252
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 7: But there are a fair.

1253
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,600
Speaker 15: Number of people in this community who who are opposed

1254
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 15: to detention centers in general. I mean, they see that

1255
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 15: they see the violence that ICE is inflicting in broad

1256
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 15: daylight on public streets, and I think they're they're horrified,

1257
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 15: and they don't want to be complicit in in something

1258
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 15: like that, you know, coming to their community. And I

1259
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 15: do think that along the way, I'm seeing more of

1260
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 15: a shift in the consciousness or at least an openness

1261
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 15: to understanding the different influences that bring us to the

1262
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 15: same table.

1263
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is. It has been very cool.

1264
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 15: Yeah, and we can agree that you know, we're not

1265
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 15: going to have one hundred percent unity of ideas, but

1266
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 15: we can have a unity of action, and you know,

1267
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 15: we can save these debates on you know, I mean,

1268
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 15: whether someone is illegal or not, but you know, we

1269
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 15: can continue to have them along the way, as we

1270
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 15: are also identifying the very concrete ways that we can

1271
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 15: work together.

1272
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 7: And I'm thinking of one, for example.

1273
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:29,839
Speaker 15: I work pretty closely with some staffers for different members

1274
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 15: of Congress I mean in terms of like uplifting you know,

1275
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 15: human rights and civil rights abuses that we see in

1276
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 15: detention centers, because as part of my job, I go

1277
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 15: inside detention centers, immigration detention centers in Georgia pretty frequently,

1278
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 15: also federal prisons, and we'll meet with people and learn

1279
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 15: about the conditions that they're facing and will you know,

1280
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 15: fight for them to get released and also share what

1281
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 15: I learned from them with you know, different members of Congress,

1282
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 15: and most of our connections are with people who are

1283
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 15: aligned with the Democratic Party, you know, I mean to

1284
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 15: be to be frank, you know, I've never initiated correspondents

1285
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 15: with a Republican but I think I kind of just

1286
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 15: assumed that they wouldn't want to that I wouldn't get

1287
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 15: anywhere with them, or that they wouldn't you know, that they.

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Speaker 7: Wouldn't talk to me.

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Speaker 15: But what's been effective in working with this coalition of

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Speaker 15: residents is some of these people, I mean, yeah, like

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01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 15: they I you know, they've been card caring Republicans for

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Speaker 15: a long time and feel that they you know, can

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Speaker 15: wield influence over you know, certain Republican elected officials and

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Speaker 15: and one of them, you know, I mean, well, I

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Speaker 15: don't know how many of them, but a number of

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Speaker 15: these local residents have gotten Republican, you know, Mike Collins

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01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 15: to come out against this ice facility.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's especially right now in the Republican party and

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01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 5: like that that could be very difficult for them to do.

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01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 5: And I sort of once it's not hugely sympathetic to

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Speaker 5: Republican politicians, and I would still like to see them

1302
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 5: get better, Like that's we want people to get better,

1303
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 5: that's the whole thing. And like I think for these

1304
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 5: people whose politics may not be the same as ours,

1305
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 5: sharing the space, sharing the movement, sharing the struggle, like,

1306
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 5: I hope it makes people better. I hope being exposed

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01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 5: to people who are not of the same background as

1308
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 5: you be it like class rise, race wise, politics wise, whatever,

1309
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 5: like makes people realize that things are not quite how

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Speaker 5: they're presented to them on the television or in the

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Speaker 5: media they consume totally. So I'm sure that's yeah, Like

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Speaker 5: I hope that it's positive. What can like a local

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01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 5: government do, or even like elected officials do, given that

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Speaker 5: the elect officials on a federal level do, Given that,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I suggest appears to be operating like without

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01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 5: a great deal of oversight right now.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean with each of these warehouses, there are

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01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 15: different circumstances around each of them. I've been really inspired,

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01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 15: honestly by the folks in Maryland who are dealing with

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Speaker 15: a warehouse, maybe multiple warehouses, I'm not sure. Yeah, where

1321
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 15: you know, at both the local and the state level,

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01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 15: they have really pushed for legislation that would effectively, yeah,

1323
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 15: I mean, prevent these warehouses from existing at all. It

1324
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 15: is a different set of facts than what we're working

1325
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 15: with here in Georgia, because there's more involvement by private actors,

1326
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 15: and so the government, you know, the local government can

1327
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 15: can regulate them more. But Maryland is certainly not the

1328
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 15: only place where where those fights are happening. And so

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01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 15: I would really encourage folks to, yeah, to learn from Maryland.

1330
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 15: And I get you know, I'm talking about you know, legislation.

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01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 15: I mean, I will be the first to tell you

1332
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 15: as a lawyer that I don't think legal tools will

1333
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 15: liberate us.

1334
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 7: You know, the law will not make.

1335
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 15: Us free, sure, Yeah, And I do think it's it's

1336
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 15: the people power, it's the coming together, it's the mass

1337
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 15: collective action that is, you know, that's what's going to

1338
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 15: do it. And also there are multiple you know, there

1339
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 15: are multiple tools and multiplement instruments that we can they

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01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 15: can wield. And so right now, I mean with respect

1341
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 15: to the Social Circle warehouse, ICE is saying that they

1342
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 15: intend to detain people in their starting in April, jeez,

1343
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 15: in less than two months. Yeah, and so right now,

1344
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 15: the strategy truly is to use just like every tool

1345
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 15: at our disposal, identifying Yeah, like what legislation can be filed,

1346
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 15: what litigation you know, what lawsuits can be filed, what

1347
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,879
Speaker 15: you know, demonstrations, what kind of you know, canvassing, door knocking,

1348
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 15: you know, you name it? Like, how can how can

1349
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 15: people come together? How can we try to identify which

1350
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 15: companies would be supplying the labor to turn this warehouse

1351
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 15: into something, you know, where people will be detained? I

1352
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 15: mean not that not that I think ICE gives a

1353
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 15: damn about making any type of facility habitable for humans.

1354
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 7: But there's gonna be there's gonna be some work that

1355
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 7: needs to.

1356
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 15: Be done in order to you know, turn this you know,

1357
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 15: would be Amazon warehouse into a place for people. And

1358
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 15: is there work that you know, local organizers, because they're organizers.

1359
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 7: We're all organ you know, we're all organizers.

1360
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 15: Is there work that local organizers can do to try

1361
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 15: to unite with laborers, with workers who you know might

1362
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 15: be working on this facility, to try to like prevent

1363
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 15: them or like city workers, Like can they prevent city

1364
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 15: workers from like actually hooking up this warehouse to the

1365
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 15: city utilities?

1366
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Speaker 5: Right? Yeah, yeah, presumably Yeah, that will be a building contractor, right,

1367
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 5: Like they will want to build thousands of cells in

1368
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 5: this giant Yeah. The call of that stuff, and especially

1369
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 5: with it happening so quickly, like you know, anything that

1370
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Speaker 5: delays that will cause it to at least slow it down.

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Speaker 5: I guess.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I think another angle that we haven't talked about yet

1374
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 15: is the environmental angle, Like with social circle. You know,

1375
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 15: this is I mean a town of five thousand, it's

1376
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 15: gonna trip. It's gonna nearly triple the number of people

1377
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 15: in this place, and I mean and also triple the

1378
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 15: amount of of waste and sewage that's going to be

1379
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 15: coming out of this place.

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Speaker 7: I mean, So that's one thing.

1381
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 15: Another thing for people to look at is, you know,

1382
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 15: what would the environmental impact of these warehouses be on

1383
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:12,480
Speaker 15: local waterways?

1384
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 7: For example?

1385
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 15: And that's what you know temporarily put a stop on

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01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 15: the detention facility in the Everglades in Florida, was a

1387
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 15: legal challenge in federal court under NIPA, the National Environmental

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Speaker 15: Protection Act, because the federal government had failed to conduct

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01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 15: the proper environmental impact assessments. Yeah, and the only thing

1390
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 15: that they actually really had to do was you know,

1391
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 15: something very procedural and you know, tick a box.

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Speaker 7: And ultimately the facility ended up moving forward.

1393
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 15: But it was a tool to buy time to figure

1394
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 15: out what other types of organizing can we do.

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01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's still like even if it's only time, right,

1396
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: Like harm isn't being done in that time, and it's

1397
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 5: still a good thing. Yeah, that makes like a form

1398
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 5: of harm reduction. It reminds me a lot of the

1399
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 5: struggles here against the newer, larger border wall that we've

1400
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 5: seen since twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen when Trump got elected.

1401
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:13,520
Speaker 5: Like I'm thinking about how there have been ecological challenges

1402
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 5: to it, there have been social challenges to it. Right.

1403
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 5: The city of San Diego is currently trying to sue

1404
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 5: the fed to trest bus for part of its war construction, which,

1405
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 5: like I'm not a big fan of our city government,

1406
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 5: but like, I'm glad they did that, and all these

1407
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 5: different tools have at least at least in the last

1408
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 5: Trump administration. I remember in the late summer at twenty

1409
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 5: twenty being out with some Kumai folks who were in

1410
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 5: ceremony because the war construction was destroying Kumia ancestors right

1411
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 5: who are buried there and then the spaces where they

1412
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 5: are buried, And they ran out the clock on the

1413
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,719
Speaker 5: Trump administration. Right by using their rights as indigenous people

1414
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 5: to be in ceremony, the refusal of the workers to

1415
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,520
Speaker 5: literally drive a trucks through the middle of their ceremonial practices,

1416
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 5: they were able to like run the clock out on

1417
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 5: the Trump administration. Unfortunately now we have another one. But

1418
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 5: like all those different things had to work together to

1419
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,839
Speaker 5: mean that, like in that little part of the border,

1420
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 5: somebody's great great grandparents remains weren't dynamited out of the earth,

1421
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 5: and that's still a good thing. Like however we got there,

1422
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 5: that's a good thing. Absolutely, it makes me happy to

1423
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 5: hear that. Like even folks who might have otherwise been

1424
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 5: politically aligned with the project were appalled by this because

1425
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 5: the idea of literally warehousing humans, like it's so fucking bleak,

1426
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 5: Like there's these big warehouses where we fulfill them with

1427
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 5: shit that we don't need, and now definitely in with

1428
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 5: people that apparently we don't want. Like it's it's one

1429
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 5: of the more horrific things that I know. It just

1430
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 5: it's so bleak to me.

1431
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I agree, Like the veil has just been

1432
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 15: totally lifted, Like we know that they don't view immigrants

1433
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 15: as human, Yeah, but now they're like not even pretending anymore,

1434
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 15: just truly treating people like chattel.

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01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 5: Yeah again yeah again right in the same places, yea,

1436
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 5: in this instance, Like, I guess I'm glad that even

1437
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 5: people who are not politically on the same team maybe

1438
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 5: like are opposed to this because it's, uh yeah, it

1439
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:22,480
Speaker 5: is repugnant.

1440
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1441
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 5: I guess what if people are hearing about this for

1442
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 5: the first time, right, and will include that link to

1443
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 5: the article so people can look up where these locations are,

1444
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 5: if any of them? What advice would you have for

1445
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 5: people if you're listening to this, you click on that link,

1446
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 5: you find this one half an hour from your house

1447
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 5: or whatever, Like, what advice do you have for those people?

1448
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 15: I think if you're already an organizer, regardless of whether

1449
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 15: you've been in the immigrants rights fight or not.

1450
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 7: Now is the time.

1451
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 15: When it really is like all hands on deck, So

1452
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 15: don't be afraid to get involved. But also, you know,

1453
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 15: like we were talking about before we started, is I

1454
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 15: think guarantee that there is some immigrants rights movement in your.

1455
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 7: Locale or somewhere close by.

1456
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 15: And I think it's just so important to you know,

1457
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:26,839
Speaker 15: approach this work not with the assumption that you are starting,

1458
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 15: you know, launching this new campaign, spearheading this you know, new,

1459
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 15: previously untapped, you know, area of work, because I guarantee

1460
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 15: you that you know, there are people who have have

1461
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 15: worked on this before. And so I think connect with

1462
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 15: you know, connect both with people who have been doing

1463
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 15: this work for a long time and also try to

1464
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,719
Speaker 15: connect with people who you might not otherwise have thought

1465
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 15: to connect with. And I think it's important to call

1466
01:33:55,720 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 15: out the nimbiism, the not in my backyardism of how,

1467
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 15: you know, some people are coming at this issue because

1468
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 15: they're you know, they're worried about their property value.

1469
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 7: But it's also something that we can capitalize on.

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01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 15: Right It's energy and oftentimes it's people with capital and

1471
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 15: connections that you know that you might not otherwise have

1472
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 15: had access to either. So I think you know, the connecting,

1473
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 15: you know, and the community organizing needs to go in

1474
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 15: multiple directions. But I do think it's important to move. Yeah,

1475
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 15: it's important to move.

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01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 5: Fast, Yeah seriously, Like that is a very constrained timeline,

1477
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 5: like everybody has to be, but that means it's also

1478
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 5: important to move respectfully, right, because like, if we just

1479
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 5: blow each other ship up, because yet people assume that

1480
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 5: migrant communities have somehow not been advocating for themselves in

1481
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 5: each other for centuries, then we're not going to have

1482
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 5: time to organize because we're going to be dealing with

1483
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 5: that shit. And I've seen that so much just personally, right,

1484
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 5: like having been involved for some time in migrant advocacy

1485
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 5: and seeing folks like pop in and tell us how

1486
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 5: to do everything. It's tiresome, and I understand that you'll

1487
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 5: want to help. But yeah, if this is something that

1488
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 5: like you're organizing around, super easy to find those organizations

1489
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 5: to be like how can I help?

1490
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 15: And it's also such a good like this fight in

1492
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 15: particular is such a good vehicle for fighting for abolition overall.

1493
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 15: As someone who's been saying abolish ICE for years. It

1494
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 15: is amazing to see how much traction that phrase has gotten,

1495
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 15: especially over the last six months. And we can't just

1496
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 15: be fighting against you know, preventing.

1497
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 7: New ICE facilities.

1498
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 15: We need to be fighting for shutting down all ICE

1499
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 15: facilities and for abolishing ICE as an institution. We've been

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01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,759
Speaker 15: around before ICE, and we will be around after ICE.

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01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 15: As you know, as an agency, ICE has only been

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01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 15: around since since two thousand and three. Sure there was

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01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 15: a predecessor, there was the in s, but I mean

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01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 15: it didn't operate in nearly the type of way that

1505
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 15: ICE does now as this you know, law enforcement agency.

1506
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 15: And even before Trump, like ICE was still a really

1507
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 15: you know, horrible like horrible yeah, yeah, agency, And so yeah,

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01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 15: I think it's important to continue to you know, point

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01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 15: these things out while also you know, welcoming people into

1510
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 15: the fight.

1511
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 7: And yeah, and pushing them, pushing them further.

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01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's really it's really important. Like I

1513
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 5: think we have to rebut the assumption that this is

1514
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 5: an aberration and we can fix it and go back

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01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 5: to normal, because normal was bad and you just couldn't

1516
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 5: see it because it wasn't on your screen, right, like

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01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 5: children died in outdoor attention and Abiden. I saw people's

1518
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 5: suffer immenseally in outdoor attention under Biden, Like, we don't

1519
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 5: want to go back to that either, And I think

1520
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 5: it's really important that when we build these coalitions we

1521
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 5: build them with that in mind. That like, we're organizing

1522
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 5: very quickly, but also we're in this for the long haul,

1523
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 5: until everybody's free. Is there anything that you'd like to

1524
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 5: leave people with resources or a bit of advice, any

1525
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,440
Speaker 5: like closing words you'd like to share with him?

1526
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 7: Abologize?

1527
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 14: That's all I got, perfect, all right, So ladies and gentlemen,

1528
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,480
Speaker 14: we're gonna dive in politics.

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01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 11: Prop This is special for me.

1530
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:52,879
Speaker 14: We're calling this the Art of Petty and the playoff

1531
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 14: words you may or may not know is that Petty

1532
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 14: is actually my last name, and like, like literally government,

1533
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 14: it's my last name. And as a child they used

1534
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 14: to bother me. As a grown up, I'm like, not

1535
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 14: us sounds about right. So what made its start? First

1536
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 14: of all was the bio, says the writer of the

1537
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 14: Pettysburg address.

1538
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's one of the funniest things.

1539
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 14: It makes me mad because it's my last name and

1540
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 14: I'm like, why did I not think of that?

1541
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 11: Like, it's so brilliant. Amanda Nelson, Welcome to the show.

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01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you so much, and thank you for

1543
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 7: appreciating my ridiculous Abraham Lincoln joke.

1544
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 11: It's brilliant.

1545
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 14: I and super producer Ian separately came across your content

1546
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 14: like at the same time. I know when I first

1547
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 14: hit the follow within a day or two, I was like,

1548
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 14: have you heard of there? Have you heard of this president?

1549
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 14: And he just simulated. I was like, dude, I just

1550
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 14: started fall and it's and I think there's a there's

1551
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 14: a kindred spirit in the sense of like history being

1552
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 14: actually not that difficult to grasp if you just speak

1553
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 14: like a regular ass human you know what I'm saying,

1554
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 14: and politics the same, Like you know, the premise of

1555
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 14: the Hall Show is that like if you understand inner

1556
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 14: city living, you understand politics. Like if you grew up

1557
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 14: in and around our streets, it's really not that different.

1558
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 14: You know, even whether you was like a nerd, you know,

1559
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 14: running as fast as you can to the library, you

1560
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:30,839
Speaker 14: still knew I better not go down Seventh Street, because

1561
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 14: like you still know how this works. You know what

1562
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 14: I'm saying, or whether you were completely outside, like you know,

1563
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 14: stilling people's bikes like you get it, you know. So

1564
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 14: what we appreciated about what you do is the accessibility

1565
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 14: of it.

1566
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 7: So thank you, thank you, well, thank you. That's that

1567
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 7: was the goal from the beginning, especially the you know,

1568
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 7: on Mondays, I do a series called the Whiteboard, which

1569
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 7: is literally just a whiteboard with a bunch of sticky

1570
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 7: notes on it, Yeah, where I track congressional legislation as

1571
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:01,680
Speaker 7: it moved its way through Congress or doesn't, as is

1572
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 7: more often the case. Yeah, And that was one of

1573
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 7: the first things I started doing when I started making content,

1574
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 7: and people were so appreciative of it in a way

1575
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 7: I found surprising. I thought people would find it nerdy

1576
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 7: and boring and silly. Yeah, but it's such an unnecessarily

1577
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 7: complicated process and explaining it in ways that people can

1578
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 7: grasp that. There's been a lot of appreciation for it,

1579
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 7: which I love.

1580
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 14: Yeah, which leads me to the next question, which would

1581
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 14: be like, Okay, so you're formal training your upbringing, like

1582
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:27,759
Speaker 14: I need to know the origin story of the nerdery,

1583
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 14: but before that, this is the week of the super Bowl,

1584
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 14: So I'm just wondering as a Latina who's not a

1585
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 14: Latina who I just found out an hour ago is

1586
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:44,440
Speaker 14: not a Latino. Have you recovered from Benito's performance?

1587
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:46,759
Speaker 5: I am not a Latino.

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01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 7: That is true. And I just when I was talking

1589
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 7: about it, when I was talking about it online about

1590
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 7: Bad Bunnies halftime show, I got so many people asking me, wait,

1591
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 7: you're not Latina, so apparently I am presenting, which is nice. Yes,

1592
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 7: I have recovered because after the halftime show, I went

1593
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 7: to bed, so I was in mine. It was such

1594
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 7: a boring game, Like I'm not going to say to her.

1595
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 7: Last game was trash, four hours of freaking field goals.

1596
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 7: But then of course I went to bed and it

1597
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 7: gets spiced up a little bit.

1598
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 11: Then it became a game, right, but it didn't matter. Yeah,

1599
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 11: so you're on the East coast.

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01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 7: Then I am. I'm in Virginia.

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01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 14: Yep, yeah, no, that's that's absolutely hilarious. We are on

1602
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 14: the West coast, to which the game starts at three pm.

1603
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 14: But definitely my wife was like ready to go after that.

1604
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 14: My wife is a first gin Latina and she was

1605
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 14: just like, wait, there's more game.

1606
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 11: She's being silly, but yeah, do we have to stay?

1607
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 14: We're at my sister in law's house, and she was

1608
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,519
Speaker 14: just like, uh, we're good unless you want to stay,

1609
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 14: you know, since I'm a Cali native, I'm like, I

1610
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 14: really don't care about either of these teams and the

1611
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 14: same yeah, and my I mean down to my Mitochandria, Like,

1612
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 14: I cannot ever cheer for a new England team.

1613
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, I can't.

1614
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:02,759
Speaker 14: Just the Celtics the boss thing as an la boy,

1615
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 14: I can't anybody remotely close to that.

1616
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:06,560
Speaker 11: I just can't cheer for.

1617
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 7: I think I have like twenty ten's PTSD for having

1618
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:13,839
Speaker 7: to constantly listen to the Patriots be off show in everything,

1619
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 7: and so I have an ingrained bias. Also their owners

1620
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 7: like a weird maga dude, and you're weirdo.

1621
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 11: Yeah he's weird.

1622
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,600
Speaker 7: So and Tom Brady is also weird, Like he's a

1623
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 7: weird guy.

1624
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 11: You weird man? Did you see his roast?

1625
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 5: Yes?

1626
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 11: Yes? I like, yeah, you weird bro like he is.

1627
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 7: And I can't decide if like Giselle leaving made him

1628
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 7: weirder or if he was weird and she left because

1629
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 7: of that. I can't figure it out.

1630
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 11: I don't care that much, but I honestly that's a

1631
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:42,719
Speaker 11: good thought.

1632
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,719
Speaker 14: Man like because I've I've considered that a few times

1633
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 14: because I'm like the level of competitive you have to

1634
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 14: be to be someone like a Tom Brady, like Michael Jordan,

1635
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 14: like Tony Hawk, Like you have to be insufferable if

1636
01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 14: with your will and drive to be as good as

1637
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 14: you are. And now, my wife has a PhD in

1638
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 14: ed policy. She's one of the most self driven people

1639
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:10,600
Speaker 14: I know. Even with her just doctoral nerdiness, there's a

1640
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 14: level of like, will you chill like about you know,

1641
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 14: certain stuff. But we're both like we're both nerds, you

1642
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 14: know what I'm saying. So we're both nerds a lot

1643
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,839
Speaker 14: of ways. But like I can imagine, I can't imagine

1644
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 14: being married to someone where you're just like, can we

1645
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 14: talk about anything anything but this?

1646
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:28,719
Speaker 11: Yes?

1647
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 7: Anything else?

1648
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 13: Yes?

1649
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,680
Speaker 7: The answer is no, no.

1650
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 14: Yeah, So okay, so tell me about Okay, formal training

1651
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 14: and upbringing, Like why are you like this?

1652
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 7: Why am I?

1653
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:38,720
Speaker 5: Yes?

1654
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 7: Well, I have a history degree and undergraduate history that

1655
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 7: I got. How do I explain why I'm like this?

1656
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 7: That's such an interesting question.

1657
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 5: So I was.

1658
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 7: Raised in South by very conservative white people, Okay, and

1659
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,759
Speaker 7: I did not understand why I was kind of singled

1660
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:58,040
Speaker 7: out a lot growing up. Like, as we said at

1661
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 7: the beginning, I'm not Latina. My grandmother's from the Philippines,

1662
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 7: and so that was like enough, like enough one dropness

1663
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 7: to make all the white people around you, yeah, like

1664
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 7: very weird. And I didn't get it. And as I

1665
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 7: grew up and I realized more about understood more about

1666
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:14,599
Speaker 7: the South and about Virginia specifically, which is the capital

1667
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 7: of the Confederacy and all that, I got kind of

1668
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,720
Speaker 7: obsessed with history, Like why are these people like this?

1669
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 7: So I've always been into history. I got a history degree,

1670
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 7: and then I became you know, I kind of actively

1671
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 7: once I got out of my parents' house, to be honest,

1672
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 7: and I'm not conservative anymore. But once I got out

1673
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 7: of my parents' house and discovered like a world of

1674
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 7: active I went to college, which is the case for

1675
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 7: so many kids who grew up in you know, the

1676
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 7: rural South. I went to college, discovered activism and organizing

1677
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 7: and people with different opinions. Yeah, and I don't know,

1678
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:47,240
Speaker 7: a whole world opened up for me and I got involved.

1679
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 7: I've been politically involved ever since. I've done all kinds

1680
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 7: of things. I've volunteered for campaigns, I've been a clinic, escort,

1681
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 7: an abortion clinic here in town, all kinds of it.

1682
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 7: But I've worked with the ACLU, so I am like,

1683
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 7: I suppose because my family is strange.

1684
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 11: I respect it.

1685
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,519
Speaker 7: Well maybe not strange, maybe just normal for where they're.

1686
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 11: From, normal for where they are from. No, I respect that.

1687
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 14: In your defense, the Philippines, y'all are the black and

1688
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 14: Latinos of.

1689
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,480
Speaker 7: Asia, Mexicans specific.

1690
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 14: Yeah, you're the Mexicans and the black people. That's what's

1691
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:22,799
Speaker 14: that's what sucks about being what's great about being Filipino?

1692
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,639
Speaker 14: Y'all get to be black and Latino and Asian. It's

1693
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 14: not fair. My step mom's from the Philippines, So like,

1694
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 14: I have this affinity because raised by a Filipino woman. Well,

1695
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 14: I was raised by a black woman and a Filipino woman.

1696
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 11: Long story.

1697
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 14: The point is that that makes a lot of sense, dude,

1698
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 14: Like that thing that radicalized you was I'm using radicalized

1699
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 14: as a stand in word, but just exposure, right, Like

1700
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 14: that's super interesting to know that, like not even the

1701
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:51,639
Speaker 14: awareness of because like you said, like you you existed

1702
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 14: in this white space and you like, I don't understand

1703
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 14: why y'all exactly? Yeah, yeah, what did I do. It's

1704
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 14: like it's cause you're kind of not You're like, well,

1705
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 14: but yeah, I am right, Like it was it was

1706
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 14: kind of kind of one of those scenarios or like

1707
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 14: or did you kind of like I'm maybe putting a

1708
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 14: little more on like you, like you said you weren't

1709
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 14: aware of you you're presenting, but did you did you

1710
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 14: feel sort of culturally that like I.

1711
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 11: Feel like I belong here?

1712
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 9: Is that was?

1713
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 11: Is that true? Yeah?

1714
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 7: I mean I didn't understand. I understood that I looked

1715
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 7: a little bit different than everybody around me. Fine, yeah,

1716
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 7: a little bit not a time, like I'm not you know,

1717
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:31,839
Speaker 7: I'm a core a Filipino. Like it's not. I understood

1718
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:33,640
Speaker 7: that I looked a little bit different. I did not

1719
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 7: understand why that mattered word for a really long time.

1720
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 7: And then like the older I got, the more it

1721
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 7: would be, Like I go out into school and the

1722
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 7: sort of racism that I would get would be when

1723
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 7: people mistook me for being Latina or when people mistook

1724
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 7: me for being black. That's when I would get like

1725
01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 7: act like really bad. Because where I'm from in Virginia

1726
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 7: Beach is the largest Filipino population on the East Coast,

1727
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,200
Speaker 7: so be if Filipinos being around people were kind of

1728
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 7: used to. But it was when people thought that I

1729
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 7: was not just other, but a whole other other, you know,

1730
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 7: than what they were used to.

1731
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 10: And I didn't.

1732
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 7: I didn't understand, like I was born into this household.

1733
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 7: Like we've all watched the same fucking NASCAR races, we

1734
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 7: eat the same talten. I have to listen to your

1735
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:17,639
Speaker 7: stupid ass Rush Limbaugh, So like, why am I different?

1736
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 7: It doesn't make sense to me.

1737
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:20,440
Speaker 11: That's so interesting.

1738
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 14: I love that my undergrad was going to be history,

1739
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 14: but it kind of switched to like intercultural studies. I

1740
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 14: was just more interested, a little more like sociology. I

1741
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 14: majored in illustration and because I wanted to do art

1742
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 14: and cultural studies and then did social science for like

1743
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 14: grad school. Mine was a little different in the sense

1744
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 14: that listeners know. But like my father was a My

1745
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 14: father was a black panther, you know what I'm saying.

1746
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 14: And you know, you know, we grew up in the

1747
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 14: space and it wasn't sort of like like you said,

1748
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 14: like this like light bulb was not my experience. My

1749
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 14: experience was like this is necessary for our survival. And

1750
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 14: I think I was more thrown back because which is

1751
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 14: again what I want to get to about, Like kind

1752
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 14: of the way that you present this stuff is like

1753
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 14: I feel like this information is available for all of us,

1754
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,760
Speaker 14: Like it didn't take a lot of digging.

1755
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 11: For you to like I feel like it was not.

1756
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 14: Really I loved even even you talking about your your

1757
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:16,560
Speaker 14: experience in like working in politics and organizing and volunteering

1758
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,760
Speaker 14: where it's like a lot of times we feel like

1759
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 14: the access to entry is much harder than it actually is.

1760
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 11: You could just go there, just.

1761
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 14: Go over there and just be like, yo, can I help,

1762
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 14: and it's really like it really be that easy, you know.

1763
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 7: And people will be so happy to have you.

1764
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,719
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I just feel like especially

1765
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 14: you're You're I'm jumping around, but like you You're Trump's

1766
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 14: l's for the week are like, I mean, it's right there,

1767
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 14: like you know what I'm saying, Like he'd just be

1768
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 14: saying I.

1769
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 11: Don't take a lot of work, you know what I'm saying.

1770
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,639
Speaker 14: Like, but obviously us as like you know, having formal

1771
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 14: training and research and fact checking and tumble checks, like

1772
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 14: you know, like having the formal training that definitely helps me.

1773
01:48:57,520 --> 01:48:58,040
Speaker 11: You know what I'm saying.

1774
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 14: But besides that, sometimes I'll be like, well, this is

1775
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 14: just I mean, this is what he said he was

1776
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,280
Speaker 14: going to do, and then it didn't happen. So I'm like,

1777
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 14: that's an l ain't it? Like, I just don't it.

1778
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 14: Don't be that hard. Okay, Now the next question is

1779
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 14: about your sense of humor, so like why are you

1780
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 14: so funny?

1781
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,360
Speaker 11: Like what why are you like that? Because I mean,

1782
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 11: I love it.

1783
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 7: I'm mean to people you're not supposed to be mean to, Like,

1784
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 7: you know, there's such an Americans let me rephrase this.

1785
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 7: White Americans have such an ingrained, like inherent respect for

1786
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 7: positions of authority, like like the president, Like how can

1787
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:35,799
Speaker 7: you talk shit about the president?

1788
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 13: You know?

1789
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 7: I don't care.

1790
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:38,799
Speaker 11: Because he trash, because he's garment.

1791
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 7: I don't give a shit the color of a rusted

1792
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 7: out worstrop. What do I care? So I have no

1793
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 7: problems being being mean, and I'm mean in ways that

1794
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 7: give people like permission to be a little like thrilled

1795
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,880
Speaker 7: by it or a little delighted by it. And that provides,

1796
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 7: I think, an entry away for people to learn a

1797
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 7: little bit of I love it. I don't know, America,

1798
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 7: We're not We're not great again, I should clarify white America, specifically,

1799
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:06,599
Speaker 7: especially my people.

1800
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 11: I was like, oh no, man, I ever really yeah, yeah,

1801
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 11: you're right.

1802
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:12,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like the people that I speak to are a

1803
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:15,640
Speaker 7: lot of like suburban moms, right, I'm a forty one

1804
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:19,440
Speaker 7: year old mom, and they are not used to middle fingers.

1805
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 11: Up at all.

1806
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 7: Especially Yeah recently, you know, like Biden got an office

1807
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:26,720
Speaker 7: and everybody kind of fell asleep. Yeah, a democratic why

1808
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 7: people fell asleep. So being mean and just pulling out

1809
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 7: some claws. It's both like funny and fun for me,

1810
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 7: but it's also strategic because I do want there to

1811
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:37,719
Speaker 7: be I want to present a permission structure for people

1812
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 7: to start learning to have a bit more backbone.

1813
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 11: I love that. I love that. I love that, Like

1814
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 11: you said, the term you use is permission, and that's

1815
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 11: what I enjoyed. I think that.

1816
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, like knowing that, like you're from the South and

1817
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 14: that like adds even more of a color to what's

1818
01:50:52,840 --> 01:51:05,000
Speaker 14: happening here makes me like it even more. Yeah, I

1819
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 14: don't have no second thoughts about dragging a public figure,

1820
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 14: a politician like I. I have no second thoughts about it

1821
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 14: because again, like you asked for this, you know, what

1822
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 14: I'm saying, You signed up for this, you said you

1823
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 14: was gonna be this, Like all right, I'm about to

1824
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,599
Speaker 14: get real black, But like there's parts of me that's

1825
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 14: just like, Okay, are you a bitch ass nigga? You

1826
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 14: know what I'm saying, Like, and I'm like, there are

1827
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 14: ways for me to be able to know if you are?

1828
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 14: You presented yourself like you a real one, And I'm like, okay,

1829
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 14: well there's qualifying entry points for me to do that,

1830
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying, Like we learn I'll respect

1831
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 14: in our culture, you respect your elders for their position

1832
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:52,320
Speaker 14: as elders, But do I respect that person as a person.

1833
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 11: No, you gotta earn that.

1834
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:59,480
Speaker 14: But authority figures are different. You're in a corrupt system,

1835
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:05,040
Speaker 14: this system already don't like me, and you're applying for

1836
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:08,440
Speaker 14: a job, and the job you applying for is governance.

1837
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 14: So I'm like, I don't give fuck about you. Like yo,

1838
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:15,640
Speaker 14: I'm saying, like no, but there is something unique. I

1839
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 14: think about your particular intersections as ethnically ambiguous, from the South,

1840
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 14: highly educated, you know, and unfortunately in a patriarchal, misogynistic

1841
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 14: world of female right which I already know greats at

1842
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 14: so much, which I think I appreciate probably the most

1843
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,160
Speaker 14: when you have time to like drag a comments or oh,

1844
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:47,639
Speaker 14: like obviously men are not okay, Like we know.

1845
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,360
Speaker 11: That ship is sailed, we're not okay. You know what

1846
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 11: I'm saying.

1847
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 14: Part of me feels like now this is like as

1848
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 14: much as I've evolved in my feminism, and you know,

1849
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 14: I'm the father of two daughters, and you know, I've

1850
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 14: learned to like really not understand how I was the

1851
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 14: problem to become to understand that I'm the problem, you know,

1852
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 14: even in just my ways of communicating, my advocacy stuff

1853
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 14: like that, my blind spots and all that. And I'm with,

1854
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying, I have nephews. I don't

1855
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 14: have like I said, I don't have sons, but I

1856
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 14: have I have nephews who I've like realized that I

1857
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 14: carried a lot of ways for which I thought I

1858
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 14: was supposed to talk to my daughter versus talking to

1859
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,640
Speaker 14: a son, you know I'm saying. And I'm like, and

1860
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 14: I said, well, I'm but talk to my daughter the

1861
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 14: way I would talk to my son, you know, and

1862
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 14: just stupid, you know what I'm saying.

1863
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 11: And then but even just being like man.

1864
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:38,759
Speaker 14: Like sometimes my nephew could use like a gentle voice,

1865
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 14: like you know, a man just like him that could

1866
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 14: just be real gentle you know what I'm saying, like bro,

1867
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 14: like man, I'm sorry you sick man. It sucks when

1868
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 14: you get your feelings hurt, Like I get it, you

1869
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 14: know what I'm saying, Like being able to be gentle

1870
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:52,840
Speaker 14: with him too. That said, I feel like I come

1871
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 14: from an era where words have consequences. You know, you

1872
01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 14: say something to somebody might slap the shit out of you. Yes,

1873
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying, so like you watch your mouth.

1874
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 14: You know what I'm saying. Be cause like now, granted, I've,

1875
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 14: like I said, I've grown to where that like I

1876
01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 14: don't know what the fuck you think you're talking to,

1877
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 14: Like I don't say that no more, you know what

1878
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 14: I'm saying, Where it's just like, okay, I have learned

1879
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 14: that that's not the person I need to be. However,

1880
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 14: I feel like a lot of these young men, especially

1881
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 14: in your comments sections, like they didn't have no big

1882
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 14: homies like I did. That would be like, m boy,

1883
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 14: if you don't shut you know what I'm saying, Like

1884
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,680
Speaker 14: you know and just being like son, like, yes, so

1885
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:33,680
Speaker 14: you can't just be talking. And I come from a

1886
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 14: city where she might slap the shit at you. Will

1887
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying. She wills, not just like

1888
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying.

1889
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 11: I'm saying.

1890
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 14: So I'm like, bro, you can't just be talking. So anyway,

1891
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 14: that's a long preamble to say. I appreciate when you

1892
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 14: take the time to drag a comment, So please tell me,

1893
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 14: Please tell me the origins of that.

1894
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 7: Yeah. So I have two sons. Okay, they are twins,

1895
01:54:56,840 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 7: they'll be fifteen in a few weeks. And I care

1896
01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 7: a lot. Actually, I get a lot of shit for

1897
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,760
Speaker 7: this from people on the left, from liberals as well,

1898
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 7: especially from women that I care a lot about men,

1899
01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 7: and yeah, them not being okay, you know.

1900
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:12,640
Speaker 11: I care, Yeah they're not ok Yeah, because I have two.

1901
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 7: Boys, and I don't want that to be them. I

1902
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 7: see the traps, yeah, that are waiting for them out there,

1903
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 7: that are being placed on purpose for sure by bad actors.

1904
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 7: So I want policy and conversations and acceptance and help

1905
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:26,320
Speaker 7: for the men and the boys.

1906
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1907
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 7: And also when it's almost always, you know, like some

1908
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 7: Republican mouth breather who follows a bunch of AI pornbots

1909
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 7: gets into my comments to talk to me some kind

1910
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:38,160
Speaker 7: of way. I decided that I was going to make

1911
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 7: an example of them, because these are people who have

1912
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:42,200
Speaker 7: never experienced a consequence.

1913
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 5: Yes, ever, that's what I like.

1914
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 7: If you're a fifty year old white man, you have

1915
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 7: never experienced a consequence for running your mouth. That's what

1916
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 7: I'm saying, and I'm going to be that consequence for you.

1917
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 11: You're welcome, yes, thank you.

1918
01:55:54,160 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 7: And it just disgusts me because again they're almost always

1919
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 7: following like a bunch of teenage AI bots, you know,

1920
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 7: all of these just yeah, it's completely inappropriate behavior. They

1921
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 7: do not understand the concept of matching energy. They're completely

1922
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 7: shocked when they comment to my comments and give me

1923
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 7: shit and then I match their energy. They're always just

1924
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 7: a gast that like, how dare I? Well you Darren? First?

1925
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:21,000
Speaker 14: What I'm just like, yeah, like for somebody who swear

1926
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Speaker 14: they so like you, so tough and hard, I'm like, man,

1927
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Speaker 14: little cupcake.

1928
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Speaker 11: Ass like one of the earliest.

1929
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Speaker 14: I mean, I'm telling you the earliest lesson I got

1930
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Speaker 14: as a child, and I still say it to my kids.

1931
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Speaker 14: You don't dish out what you can't take, like you don't,

1932
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Speaker 14: don't put it out there if you can't handle it.

1933
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 14: You know, So if you go get jokes and that

1934
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 14: person roast you back. I come from. That's our culture.

1935
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 14: It's like even even around family, it's just like bro,

1936
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,440
Speaker 14: I was having a conversation with one of the parents, like,

1937
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 14: because I have the type of job I have, I

1938
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:56,000
Speaker 14: do a lot of the pickups, the after school pickups.

1939
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 11: Yeah you know, so I was talking to one of them.

1940
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 14: Yes, yes, so I was talking to one of the

1941
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:04,080
Speaker 14: moms just about like nicknames, growing up whatever, right, And

1942
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 14: my mother biting sarcasm is super funny, brilliant, but like

1943
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 14: fire baptized, speaking in tongues, praying the house down, she

1944
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 14: is a biting sarcasm.

1945
01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 11: And I was like, she used to call me the

1946
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 11: before picture she just just cold his ice and I

1947
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:24,600
Speaker 11: was just like dang.

1948
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:28,920
Speaker 14: But again it's like she could she could always give

1949
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 14: it back, you know what I'm saying, So like we

1950
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 14: you just so you just knew, like if you was

1951
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 14: gonna get your feelings hurt, I don't know if you

1952
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 14: can handle that, you know, And even like specifically with

1953
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:40,480
Speaker 14: the young ladies, it's just like, bro, like, I'm like,

1954
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 14: you follow with porn bots. Like part of me like

1955
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:45,360
Speaker 14: again in the most misogynistic possible it's like, nigga, you

1956
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:49,440
Speaker 14: ain't got no flavor cuz like right, you're weirdo, like

1957
01:57:49,480 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 14: that's why you're doing this.

1958
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they claim like this is a group of people,

1959
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 7: you know whatever, I'm conservative Jena x men, Yeah, who

1960
01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 7: claim a level of cultural dominance that that's what they're

1961
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 7: expressing when they come into the my comments section to

1962
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:05,160
Speaker 7: yell at me. This like cultural dominance they think they

1963
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 7: have and it's completely manufactured. Yeah, you dominate no one.

1964
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 7: No one look at you like, and that's kind of

1965
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 7: the point that and I yeah, part of me is like, well,

1966
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:15,880
Speaker 7: maybe I'm being too mean, but also I feel like

1967
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:18,720
Speaker 7: I'm doing them a favor, like you really are you

1968
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 7: have no actual self esteem? You have no self esteem

1969
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:23,480
Speaker 7: is built by doing estimable things. And when you spend

1970
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,160
Speaker 7: all of your time online just yelling at women, of course, yeah,

1971
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 7: there's nothing esteemable there.

1972
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:30,560
Speaker 14: It's so silly man, Like, I mean, we're totally off

1973
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:32,720
Speaker 14: the rails here. But I love this because it's very

1974
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 14: important to me because I'm just like when my oldest

1975
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 14: was in like junior high. Like I was trying to

1976
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:39,360
Speaker 14: tell my wife, Like I was like, the thing is,

1977
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:44,120
Speaker 14: we have been experiencing rejection since fifth grade, and it's

1978
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 14: because I'm planning this all week to go actually approach Natasha,

1979
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:52,080
Speaker 14: like you're thinking about it all week when I'm gonna

1980
01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:54,040
Speaker 14: wear the right outfit, I'm gonna do this. You go

1981
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 14: over there, you say something to her. She giggles to

1982
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:57,760
Speaker 14: all her friends and runs away and says you it's

1983
01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 14: just like, okay, that's the first time you got your

1984
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:03,520
Speaker 14: heartbroken as a little boy, right, So fast forward to

1985
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 14: middle school. Oh my god, will you dance with me?

1986
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:08,680
Speaker 14: You know, okay, you did it again. By time, these

1987
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,040
Speaker 14: dudes are in the club and it's like, hey, hey,

1988
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:13,720
Speaker 14: red jeans, red jeans, red jeans.

1989
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 11: You want to dance? No or whatever? Fuck you?

1990
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 14: You know what I'm saying. It's just like, you know,

1991
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:21,800
Speaker 14: you go through this. But all that to say, hopefully,

1992
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 14: if you have a healthy sense, you start learning, like

1993
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 14: hey man, you catch more.

1994
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,120
Speaker 11: Bees with honey bro like or you know what I'm saying, Like,

1995
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 11: maybe there's a better.

1996
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 14: Way to communicate with people, and you just got to

1997
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:33,760
Speaker 14: understand that, Like I just think you don't know how

1998
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 14: to talk to people, like you don't know, like she

1999
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 14: got the right to be like no, thank you, and

2000
01:59:37,480 --> 01:59:40,120
Speaker 14: you gotta be like okay, word, you know what I'm saying.

2001
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 14: You shot your shot, like I'm trying to be like

2002
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 14: as bland as passable. Look, you shoot your shot, you

2003
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 14: don't you don't make every shot.

2004
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:49,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Like, you don't make

2005
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 11: every shot, You're gonna hit one of them. You know

2006
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:51,240
Speaker 11: what I'm saying.

2007
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:54,200
Speaker 14: Somebody gonna want to dance with you, and you're just like, okay, great,

2008
01:59:54,240 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 14: you know it was a good time. You know, hey,

2009
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 14: can we No, Okay, you know what I'm saying. It's

2010
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 14: just it is what it is. Your point, I think

2011
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:05,160
Speaker 14: either I don't. It's so weird to be explained because

2012
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:07,240
Speaker 14: I just I don't relate to it. I don't relate

2013
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:11,040
Speaker 14: to somebody who doesn't understand that, like Broll, you're a

2014
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:13,720
Speaker 14: total stranger, Like I don't care about your opinion number one,

2015
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:16,760
Speaker 14: And why do you feel like you have the right.

2016
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 11: To like what is you doing?

2017
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 14: Like it's just it's embarrassing roh, Like yeah, like so anyway,

2018
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 14: I enjoy it, but I think you brought up something

2019
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:27,720
Speaker 14: that I would love to hear you talk more about,

2020
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:29,840
Speaker 14: like all this to say, like this is the note

2021
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:32,440
Speaker 14: I wrote. It's like, I feel like this type of

2022
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 14: dragging is not only needed, but I think it's holy right,

2023
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:40,400
Speaker 14: and I think it's a divine, sacred work to like

2024
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:45,280
Speaker 14: truly roast a person. And I think when it comes

2025
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 14: to you in politics, it's because you know what you're

2026
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 14: talking about.

2027
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,200
Speaker 11: It makes it even more important.

2028
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,080
Speaker 14: But I guess my question is, like, do you think

2029
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:55,839
Speaker 14: that there is something greater than just this is funny

2030
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 14: going on there?

2031
02:00:57,320 --> 02:00:57,520
Speaker 5: Oh?

2032
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:01,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure. I know it seems like it's for

2033
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 7: the lulls or whatever, or the views of the clicker

2034
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:05,640
Speaker 7: of your engagement or whatever. But there's very little that

2035
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:10,600
Speaker 7: I do in my content that's not strategic. And again

2036
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 7: it goes back to permission. Like you said, these men

2037
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:16,360
Speaker 7: don't know me. Yeah, I don't care what they think

2038
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:19,640
Speaker 7: about about me. I'm doing great. You know, you know

2039
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 7: you're free to hate me. I don't care. But I

2040
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 7: want to again provide a permission structure, especially for other

2041
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:29,320
Speaker 7: women who exist online and who in this moment especially

2042
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:31,760
Speaker 7: want to start raising their voices, to learn how to

2043
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:34,400
Speaker 7: clap back, like, you have got to learn if you're

2044
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 7: going to be out there, especially right now in the

2045
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 7: world as a woman, you have got to learn how

2046
02:01:38,720 --> 02:01:41,360
Speaker 7: to tell somebody to fuck off in a way that

2047
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:43,440
Speaker 7: that matter, that they will hear. Yeah, you know, because

2048
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:45,120
Speaker 7: a lot of times men won't hear no. You know

2049
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:47,120
Speaker 7: that the president doesn't know what the word not means.

2050
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:50,160
Speaker 7: But if you can say it artfully and mean it

2051
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:55,040
Speaker 7: with your whole chest, oftentimes it will work. So it's

2052
02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:58,760
Speaker 7: almost like providing an example, especially for women who are

2053
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 7: a little younger than me because I'm in my four now,

2054
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:04,440
Speaker 7: how to detach themselves from the value assigned to them

2055
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:08,600
Speaker 7: by random men who gives a fuck for show.

2056
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:11,960
Speaker 14: And like the seasoning on top of that is just

2057
02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:16,120
Speaker 14: corny ass man, Like just yes, you are a cornball.

2058
02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:19,160
Speaker 14: Like that's where it's like, it's not the problem, but

2059
02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:22,120
Speaker 14: it's the part that just like gets under my fingernails,

2060
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:24,840
Speaker 14: is like you're so fucking corny.

2061
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 11: Like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I'm like,

2062
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:30,720
Speaker 11: why are you doing this? Like you're the same guy, bro, Like.

2063
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:31,960
Speaker 7: It's the same guy every time.

2064
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:33,000
Speaker 4: Why are y'all?

2065
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 11: Who where is this aesthetic?

2066
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:37,480
Speaker 14: And then I'm just like speaking your language, like I

2067
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:43,400
Speaker 14: don't know a single female that likes this, Like who anyway,

2068
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:46,440
Speaker 14: let's go back to the to the profession, even though

2069
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 14: I do love that that's a part of the thing,

2070
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:51,120
Speaker 14: like you mentioned before, formerly trained in history, you know

2071
02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 14: your whiteboard stuff, like you're obviously very well researched, and

2072
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:58,560
Speaker 14: I have my cynical answer to this, but like it's

2073
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:03,800
Speaker 14: just so bizarre to me how specifically if we're gonna

2074
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:07,640
Speaker 14: use these binaries of like right wing and left wing,

2075
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:11,680
Speaker 14: like especially like content creation, to where I'm just like, Okay,

2076
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:13,600
Speaker 14: we know that that's a grift, we know that's a hustle,

2077
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 14: we know you're doing that, but like but even with that,

2078
02:03:15,480 --> 02:03:18,880
Speaker 14: I'm just like they just be factually wrong to where

2079
02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:21,080
Speaker 14: I'm just like I'm not even like I'm not even

2080
02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:23,840
Speaker 14: worried about your position. I can't even get to your

2081
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 14: positions yet. I'm just saying, like you ain't doing no homework.

2082
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 14: I can't square that circle to me. But like what

2083
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:32,240
Speaker 14: you do and I know what I do too, is

2084
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:34,480
Speaker 14: because I guess, because I guess we care about reality.

2085
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:36,480
Speaker 11: Is like I mean, do a lot of homework. You

2086
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 11: know what I'm saying so.

2087
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:39,280
Speaker 14: Like I would love to know a little bit about

2088
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:41,760
Speaker 14: your process as far as like your homework, your research,

2089
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:42,440
Speaker 14: maybe what.

2090
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 11: Some tools you use before you even put it on.

2091
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:46,480
Speaker 14: Like I mean, I've there's been times I've had to

2092
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:49,840
Speaker 14: be like, hey, guys, hey, I fucked up. I thought

2093
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:51,880
Speaker 14: it was you know what I'm saying, Like I'll come

2094
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:53,760
Speaker 14: back and fact check myself, but I'll just be like,

2095
02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:56,680
Speaker 14: I don't understand fact check it all. Like I feel

2096
02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:58,280
Speaker 14: like I don't even That's why I won't do like

2097
02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:00,040
Speaker 14: jubileese or any to I'll be like.

2098
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:05,600
Speaker 7: Oh I've refused. No, absolutely not. I'm like, yeah that ye, No,

2099
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:09,560
Speaker 7: that's not my actual nightmare a stress stream of being

2100
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:13,000
Speaker 7: in a jubilee. Yeah, I think that the way that

2101
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:15,360
Speaker 7: like you were saying, the way that it's approached makes

2102
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 7: a difference. So like, I'm not here for a media career.

2103
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:20,160
Speaker 7: I'm not here to make a bajillion dollars and become

2104
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:23,960
Speaker 7: an influencer and go work on Chuck Schumer's reelection campaign.

2105
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:25,120
Speaker 7: I don't give a shit about any of that.

2106
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:25,680
Speaker 9: No, thank you.

2107
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:27,800
Speaker 7: I am here. I don't falk what Chuck.

2108
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:29,200
Speaker 11: Suber Yeah, no, thank you.

2109
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 7: I am here with a mission, and my mission is

2110
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:36,720
Speaker 7: to help people who are probably just getting plugged in,

2111
02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:38,240
Speaker 7: or even people have been plugged in for a while

2112
02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:42,480
Speaker 7: and are getting tired, understand how power operates in America politically,

2113
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,920
Speaker 7: historically and now. And that takes a lot of digging

2114
02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 7: and a lot of research and a lot of fact checking,

2115
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 7: as you were saying, So I need people to trust me,

2116
02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:52,240
Speaker 7: because if they don't trust me, they're not going to

2117
02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:55,160
Speaker 7: take my advice. They're not going to get involved in

2118
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:56,760
Speaker 7: the places I tell them to get involved. There's not

2119
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,880
Speaker 7: going to be any strategy to the ways that people

2120
02:04:59,880 --> 02:05:03,200
Speaker 7: are formulating their resistance with their opposition to rising authoritarianism.

2121
02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:07,000
Speaker 7: So it matters a great deal that I am right

2122
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:09,720
Speaker 7: in the things that I'm saying, yeah, and that it's

2123
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:11,680
Speaker 7: accurate at least. I mean, I'm not saying my takes

2124
02:05:11,720 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 7: are always right. And of course, like you said, I

2125
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:16,360
Speaker 7: make mistakes sometimes and I will go back and correct myself.

2126
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 7: But I mean, you know, I've been an American history

2127
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 7: person for twenty years now, so I do have a

2128
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:26,840
Speaker 7: pretty big base of knowledge. Yeah, but I am going

2129
02:05:26,920 --> 02:05:28,800
Speaker 7: to go back before I say a word and like

2130
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 7: double check my dates, double check like was this person

2131
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:33,360
Speaker 7: in the House of the Senate, you know, what was

2132
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:35,200
Speaker 7: the bill number? Like, I am going to do all

2133
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 7: of that, and that takes a lot of digging. Like

2134
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:39,080
Speaker 7: I don't I don't think it's on purpose necessarily, but

2135
02:05:39,120 --> 02:05:42,960
Speaker 7: going through congressional records is everything is very scattered. Nothing

2136
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:47,040
Speaker 7: is in one place. You're checking fourteen different you know, resources, Congress,

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Speaker 7: dot Gov and all these other things. And I have

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Speaker 7: to collalate all of that and put it together and

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Speaker 7: it takes hours, you know, hours. Yeah, but it's my

2140
02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 7: full time job now, so yeah, that's fine. But when

2141
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:59,280
Speaker 7: I was working full time, when I had like a

2142
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:01,640
Speaker 7: corporate job, I was in big tech up until June

2143
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 7: of last year.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So it was it was.

2145
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:07,040
Speaker 7: Just a lot of hours. It was eighteen nineteen hour days.

2146
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:10,240
Speaker 7: I slept almost sees zero. I mean it's better now,

2147
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:13,040
Speaker 7: but yeah, I mean, I am very dedicated to making

2148
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:15,600
Speaker 7: sure that the thing that I'm putting out there is trustworthy,

2149
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:19,320
Speaker 7: is not emotionally reactive like I'm I think that is

2150
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:22,080
Speaker 7: something that separates me from other creators, especially on the left,

2151
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:23,560
Speaker 7: is I'm not trying to get a rise out of you.

2152
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:26,280
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to make you that's so dopanic. I'm

2153
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:29,480
Speaker 7: not doing that, Like that should terrify every American. I'm

2154
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:31,280
Speaker 7: not doing that. Shit. You're an adult. If you want

2155
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:33,360
Speaker 7: to be terrified, be terrified. I don't care. Like your

2156
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:36,160
Speaker 7: feelings are your own problem. Yeah, I'm telling you what's happening,

2157
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:38,680
Speaker 7: how it's rooted in American history, and what you can

2158
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:40,240
Speaker 7: do about it, and like what people have done about

2159
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:42,080
Speaker 7: it in the past. When similar things have happened, something

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02:06:42,080 --> 02:06:46,560
Speaker 7: similar is probably happened, and so like, yeah, that's my strategy.

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Speaker 14: Yeah again, very much so like a kinsman like spirit

2162
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:54,960
Speaker 14: in that. Yeah, Like I'm not I'm ultimately an educator,

2163
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:56,360
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying, And I'm like, I'm really

2164
02:06:56,360 --> 02:06:58,120
Speaker 14: just trying to onboard you to be like hey, bro,

2165
02:06:58,280 --> 02:06:59,760
Speaker 14: like these people aren't smarter than you.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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02:07:00,360 --> 02:07:14,360
Speaker 14: Yes, lastly, like I would ask because you kind of

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Speaker 14: just brought it up like some sort of like historical

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02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:19,960
Speaker 14: parallels as far as like lessons from the past, like

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Speaker 14: do you have any that like come to mind, like

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Speaker 14: off the head?

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Speaker 7: Oh yes, how much time do you have?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 7: I know people always always always want to talk about

2175
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Speaker 7: Nazi Germany right now, and like I get it, Okay,

2176
02:07:32,600 --> 02:07:35,400
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that there are no commonalities. Of course

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Speaker 7: there are. It's so important to me that we focus

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Speaker 7: on the commonalities that we have in American history because

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Speaker 7: we are so different from Germany. Yeah, Germany was like

2180
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:48,560
Speaker 7: very ethnically homogeneous. It's a tactic, a small country compared

2181
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Speaker 7: to ours. Yes, they don't have the same issues that

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Speaker 7: we had. They had they you know, Nazi Germany came

2183
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:55,400
Speaker 7: out of a very particular time place and people. We

2184
02:07:55,480 --> 02:07:58,240
Speaker 7: are a different time place and people. So there's that

2185
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Speaker 7: like studying not to German if you want, I'm not

2186
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:02,080
Speaker 7: saying don't, but if you're going to study Nazi Germany,

2187
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:03,440
Speaker 7: but you're not going to look at the Black Panthers,

2188
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:04,880
Speaker 7: and you're not going to look at the Civil rights movement,

2189
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:06,880
Speaker 7: and you're not going to look at reconstruction, and you're

2190
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:07,920
Speaker 7: not going to look at Jim Crow.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you're not going to come up with any viable solutions. Yes,

2193
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Speaker 7: because resistance in Germany came from the Soviet Union coming

2194
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:23,000
Speaker 7: into right and you know, but resistance in America comes

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02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:25,520
Speaker 7: from black and indigenous and Latino people, yes, and like

2196
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:28,040
Speaker 7: we did it y yes, and labor movements and all

2197
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:32,000
Speaker 7: and so you have got to become more familiar with

2198
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Speaker 7: your own people, with your own people. And that's a

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Speaker 7: little difficult in America, right because we're like, you know,

2200
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:38,280
Speaker 7: we're not really a melting pot. We're more of like

2201
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Speaker 7: a weird mixed chopped salad. Yes, but we tend to

2202
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:46,120
Speaker 7: be in our little on purpose are separated, segregated neighborhoods

2203
02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:48,440
Speaker 7: and our segregated schools, and we don't associate with and

2204
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:50,919
Speaker 7: we do like Black History Month, and then we forget

2205
02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:54,040
Speaker 7: to read about any other point of Black history outside

2206
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:56,600
Speaker 7: of that. Yeah, and we'll do like Indigenous People's Day

2207
02:08:56,880 --> 02:09:00,160
Speaker 7: on Columbus Day and never read another piece of Hitt.

2208
02:09:00,440 --> 02:09:03,040
Speaker 7: And all that is is a disservice because those are

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Speaker 7: the effect of resistance methods that we can take and

2210
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Speaker 7: carry forward as we move through this administration.

2211
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:08,960
Speaker 11: And we will, we.

2212
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:10,160
Speaker 7: Will come out on the other side.

2213
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:11,000
Speaker 11: But like love it.

2214
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:13,440
Speaker 7: Even something like the guilded Age, right, like that I

2215
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:17,040
Speaker 7: think is one of the most important historical analogs the

2216
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:19,240
Speaker 7: late nineteenth century because in the guilded Age, we had

2217
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:23,440
Speaker 7: an oligarchy, there was no income tax like the Rockefellers.

2218
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:25,839
Speaker 7: There was so much corruption at every level of government,

2219
02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 7: Jim Crow was on the rise, was being born out

2220
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:32,400
Speaker 7: of that era. Labor unions were coming online and all

2221
02:09:32,440 --> 02:09:35,280
Speaker 7: of that, Like, there are so many parallels, but we

2222
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:37,600
Speaker 7: made so many mistakes. Then we made so many We

2223
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:41,760
Speaker 7: let the clan come back, Our labor unions were segregated,

2224
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:45,560
Speaker 7: purposefully segregated. We got lots of things like the FDA

2225
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:48,040
Speaker 7: and government regulations and things like that that were born

2226
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:50,480
Speaker 7: out of all this corruption. But then we went way

2227
02:09:50,520 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 7: too far into scoldy moralizing and got prohibition, which was

2228
02:09:54,360 --> 02:09:56,200
Speaker 7: a terrible idea. So we need to avoid that. We

2229
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 7: need to avoid leaving behind people like we did during

2230
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,400
Speaker 7: the Gilded Age, because that's what Americans tend to do.

2231
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:04,600
Speaker 7: We have we like momentum, we like forward, we like progress,

2232
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:07,200
Speaker 7: and we leave behind all these people who've been oppressed

2233
02:10:07,200 --> 02:10:10,080
Speaker 7: and marginalized and we just ignore them. So we need

2234
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:12,320
Speaker 7: to we need to look at our own history and

2235
02:10:13,320 --> 02:10:15,960
Speaker 7: learn not just from the effective resistance of the past,

2236
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:17,800
Speaker 7: but the mistakes we made in the past. And we

2237
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:20,640
Speaker 7: can't really do that looking at Nazi Germany because that

2238
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:21,480
Speaker 7: ended with.

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Speaker 11: Those yeah exactly, I don't like.

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Speaker 7: He killed himself and then we you know, set up

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Speaker 7: NATO and left yeah, yeah, and that's not what we

2242
02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:32,200
Speaker 7: need to do here.

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Speaker 14: My biggest gripe was like yeah, like especially with like

2244
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:38,040
Speaker 14: the leftover Nazis, was like we didn't go hard enough

2245
02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:40,440
Speaker 14: on you. You know what I'm saying, Like we should

2246
02:10:40,440 --> 02:10:42,320
Speaker 14: have like really stamped that out, but you really cook

2247
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:44,960
Speaker 14: him in, Like I mean you already nailed it. I see, Yeah,

2248
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:48,560
Speaker 14: Gilded Age slave catchers, Like to me, this is like

2249
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Speaker 14: this some dread Scot shit to me, yes, you know

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Speaker 14: what I'm saying, And yeah, all that like because that

2251
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:56,000
Speaker 14: was like we're saying, okay, who's a citizen.

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02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:57,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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02:10:57,080 --> 02:10:59,520
Speaker 14: That was the dread Scott question, right or just like

2254
02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:02,920
Speaker 14: you know, States rights versus Federal rights, Marlboi versus Madison,

2255
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:05,040
Speaker 14: like all this stuff like you said, like we've already

2256
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 14: fleshed out that in my mind is playing. But the

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02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:10,800
Speaker 14: Gilded Age thing is like nah, dude, like you cooking,

2258
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 14: because man, you got me all excited in my history.

2259
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:15,800
Speaker 11: I'm excited now. I wish you could see my toes tapping.

2260
02:11:15,960 --> 02:11:18,800
Speaker 14: But like yeah, cause I'm like, okay, you think of

2261
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 14: like the Pinkertons, you think about like the ways for

2262
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:25,240
Speaker 14: which a collective movement being broke in the sense that

2263
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:29,120
Speaker 14: like you had these you know, steel workers in Pittsburgh

2264
02:11:29,120 --> 02:11:31,160
Speaker 14: that would strike and then they would just go get

2265
02:11:31,200 --> 02:11:33,840
Speaker 14: freed slaves to be like well, y'all could go do this,

2266
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:35,840
Speaker 14: And it's like, man, what the hell you want me

2267
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:36,200
Speaker 14: to do?

2268
02:11:36,440 --> 02:11:37,560
Speaker 11: You know what I'm saying, Like.

2269
02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:40,080
Speaker 7: Like exactly, yes, I mean any choice.

2270
02:11:40,200 --> 02:11:41,640
Speaker 11: I don't have no choice. You know what I'm saying.

2271
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Speaker 14: It's like to the regime, like touche, it was a

2272
02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:47,040
Speaker 14: really good move, you know what I'm saying as somebody

2273
02:11:47,120 --> 02:11:49,480
Speaker 14: trying to hold on to a regime, But like what

2274
02:11:49,960 --> 02:11:52,440
Speaker 14: like to your point, like it's it's always like and

2275
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:54,320
Speaker 14: this is the hard part for me, even talking about

2276
02:11:54,360 --> 02:11:56,920
Speaker 14: Black history, which is something I want to come back

2277
02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:59,800
Speaker 14: to with Like the cost of this is different for

2278
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:03,680
Speaker 14: like African American communities. This this costs us more. You

2279
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:06,760
Speaker 14: know what I'm saying, it's going to in the long

2280
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:10,080
Speaker 14: run cost us all. Don't get me wrong, but what

2281
02:12:10,120 --> 02:12:13,320
Speaker 14: you're asking, especially at that moment, going back to the

2282
02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:16,240
Speaker 14: guilded dage, what you're asking me to step into. We're

2283
02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 14: not ponying up the same amount of money here, you

2284
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:21,440
Speaker 14: know what I'm saying, so I just wonder, like you said,

2285
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:24,600
Speaker 14: like what are those lessons me living in Los Angeles,

2286
02:12:24,640 --> 02:12:26,320
Speaker 14: like you know, with the ice rage being a part

2287
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:30,240
Speaker 14: of like deeply student in the Latino community, Like what's

2288
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:33,520
Speaker 14: the strategic cause, you know, black people get out there,

2289
02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:36,360
Speaker 14: police open fire. You know what I'm saying, Like they

2290
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:38,520
Speaker 14: gonna kill us, you know what I mean? So like

2291
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:42,720
Speaker 14: is this strategic by us? Like kind of like, well,

2292
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:44,720
Speaker 14: we'll be in the back row, Like what's happening here?

2293
02:12:44,760 --> 02:12:47,280
Speaker 14: You know what I'm saying? Like, so what are those lessons?

2294
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:50,480
Speaker 14: What are ways for which we can like, like you said,

2295
02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 14: like look at how America has responded to its you

2296
02:12:57,320 --> 02:12:59,640
Speaker 14: know hydra, that's that's rearing itself.

2297
02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:02,200
Speaker 11: Is an interesting thing.

2298
02:13:02,240 --> 02:13:04,120
Speaker 14: But I think the last thing before I ask you

2299
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:08,080
Speaker 14: about predictions is this thing about about black history, this

2300
02:13:08,240 --> 02:13:11,000
Speaker 14: being Black History Month. So the hard part for me

2301
02:13:11,600 --> 02:13:15,720
Speaker 14: is like especially with like like I taught high school

2302
02:13:15,720 --> 02:13:20,800
Speaker 14: for six years, you know, when when discussing blackness or

2303
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:24,120
Speaker 14: like you said, Indigenous Day or whatever, like it's this

2304
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:27,840
Speaker 14: carve out, right, that is, you know, a corrective force, right,

2305
02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:30,880
Speaker 14: but the carve out a lot of times tends to

2306
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:34,280
Speaker 14: just be like trivia, like vocabulary like, oh.

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02:13:34,200 --> 02:13:35,240
Speaker 11: Did you know that this person?

2308
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:35,560
Speaker 5: Did you do?

2309
02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 11: You know what I'm saying.

2310
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:37,560
Speaker 14: And it's like, of course, cause you're trying to like

2311
02:13:37,560 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 14: I get it, you're trying to wet the appetite, you

2312
02:13:39,160 --> 02:13:41,400
Speaker 14: know what I'm saying. But it's a carve out to me,

2313
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:45,880
Speaker 14: that's not in the context. It's not context inbedded, it's

2314
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 14: not a part of history. It's this carveout that's taught

2315
02:13:49,520 --> 02:13:51,800
Speaker 14: as trivia, you know what I'm saying, and.

2316
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:54,600
Speaker 7: Like an afterthought, yeah, or an adult it's like an afterthought.

2317
02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:56,680
Speaker 14: But then like you said, but then never talked about

2318
02:13:56,720 --> 02:13:59,720
Speaker 14: again as if like what it's like, well, we were

2319
02:13:59,720 --> 02:14:03,600
Speaker 14: there whole time, We're in every chapter, we're we're in

2320
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:06,400
Speaker 14: all the semesters you're about to talk through like we.

2321
02:14:06,240 --> 02:14:08,120
Speaker 11: Was at all of them, you know what I'm saying.

2322
02:14:08,440 --> 02:14:10,400
Speaker 14: And it's just like, so we're just gonna not point

2323
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:12,160
Speaker 14: at the black people for the rest of the year

2324
02:14:12,240 --> 02:14:14,960
Speaker 14: when you talk about this while there needs to be

2325
02:14:15,600 --> 02:14:17,560
Speaker 14: and of course I'm a product of it, like the

2326
02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:20,840
Speaker 14: specificity of a moment to say, I just want to

2327
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:22,600
Speaker 14: stop right here and say that this person was this

2328
02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:24,720
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying, But like, what are ways

2329
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:32,200
Speaker 14: for which we can reimbed the female voices, the indigenous voices,

2330
02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:36,080
Speaker 14: the black voices, back into just the curriculum period, which

2331
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:38,560
Speaker 14: is bastardized by what Maggot's trying to say. You know

2332
02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:41,480
Speaker 14: what I'm saying, like the bastardized version of that that

2333
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:44,200
Speaker 14: is clearly obviously racist, you know what I'm saying. It

2334
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:45,600
Speaker 14: was like which so like a lot of times we

2335
02:14:45,680 --> 02:14:47,400
Speaker 14: start talking about this, they'd be like, you know what,

2336
02:14:47,720 --> 02:14:50,360
Speaker 14: that's our point, and I'm like, hold up, cuz that's

2337
02:14:50,440 --> 02:14:52,960
Speaker 14: not your point, Joe'm saying, that's not the point you

2338
02:14:53,080 --> 02:14:56,960
Speaker 14: make it, right. The point I'm making is saying we

2339
02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:00,240
Speaker 14: were there the whole time. Yeah, and I wouldn't love

2340
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:04,040
Speaker 14: to have the dignity of being there the whole time,

2341
02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:04,720
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying.

2342
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:07,160
Speaker 11: So so I say that to echo.

2343
02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:09,480
Speaker 14: Your point about like we're just gonna stop talking about

2344
02:15:10,120 --> 02:15:12,880
Speaker 14: natives after indigited like they was there.

2345
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:14,000
Speaker 11: You'll say it like.

2346
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:18,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it matters today, Like I just got into

2347
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Speaker 7: it on threads or Instagram or whatever some platform with

2348
02:15:22,920 --> 02:15:25,839
Speaker 7: some leftist which is I'm not it's not a criticism

2349
02:15:25,880 --> 02:15:29,440
Speaker 7: of leftism, but he was saying like he was criticizing

2350
02:15:29,480 --> 02:15:34,160
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris's campaign. Fine, I don't care Kamala Harris, but

2351
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:37,320
Speaker 7: he was a white guy and he was saying she

2352
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:39,840
Speaker 7: kept making pitches about what she could do for the

2353
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:42,120
Speaker 7: black community, but she never said what she could do

2354
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:45,880
Speaker 7: for white people. And I was like, my good bitch,

2355
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:50,640
Speaker 7: you made that up, Like she went on all black

2356
02:15:50,680 --> 02:15:53,160
Speaker 7: podcasts once and you gek that to mean that she

2357
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:55,880
Speaker 7: didn't care about white people. Yeah, and like, second of all,

2358
02:15:56,480 --> 02:16:00,360
Speaker 7: what part of like first time home buyer tax credits

2359
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:03,120
Speaker 7: to you? I only care about black people. Like the

2360
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:09,440
Speaker 7: idea that policies or history books or whatever that have

2361
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:12,080
Speaker 7: black people in them, or that would benefit black people

2362
02:16:12,280 --> 02:16:15,480
Speaker 7: only benefit black people is one of the reasons why

2363
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:17,960
Speaker 7: we're in this stupid situation that we're in nout because, Yeah,

2364
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:21,960
Speaker 7: it's bizarre the recognition of how black and Indigenous and

2365
02:16:22,040 --> 02:16:24,640
Speaker 7: Latino people have been in this country since the beginning.

2366
02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:28,880
Speaker 7: The Spanish have been here longer, the English Spanish has

2367
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,040
Speaker 7: been spoken in this country longer than English. Yeah, to

2368
02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:34,959
Speaker 7: put open in that that raises everyone's boats, Like policies

2369
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:41,200
Speaker 7: that benefit our marginalized communities benefit everyone else, Like the

2370
02:16:41,320 --> 02:16:44,039
Speaker 7: rising tide truly does raise all of the ships. And

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02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:46,959
Speaker 7: we can't get to an understanding of that without understanding

2372
02:16:46,959 --> 02:16:49,000
Speaker 7: the history because like take for example, what we're dealing

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02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:52,040
Speaker 7: with right now, mostly direct attacks on the fourteenth Amendment,

2374
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Speaker 7: which is a Reconstruction era amendment.

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Speaker 11: Guys, yes, and we'll attack that, yeh.

2376
02:16:58,360 --> 02:17:01,400
Speaker 7: And attacks on the Voting Rights Ade of nineteen sixty five,

2377
02:17:01,480 --> 02:17:03,920
Speaker 7: which was which was passed to make to ensure that

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02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:06,520
Speaker 7: all black citizens could vote for us. So the things

2379
02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:09,040
Speaker 7: that are fucking up white people right now are because

2380
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:11,640
Speaker 7: you don't understand what we got them in the first place.

2381
02:17:11,959 --> 02:17:13,080
Speaker 5: Yes, that's my rant.

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02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:16,600
Speaker 14: You couldn't now you know that that was my exact point.

2383
02:17:16,640 --> 02:17:18,640
Speaker 14: You're making my exact point. Or I'm just like no,

2384
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:21,720
Speaker 14: this is like we were here, We're part of the country.

2385
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:27,840
Speaker 14: So last thing is like, besides the prediction of not counting,

2386
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:30,720
Speaker 14: Trump going to try to cancel the midterms, which is

2387
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:32,200
Speaker 14: like I was like, I don't know why we talking

2388
02:17:32,200 --> 02:17:35,960
Speaker 14: about midtimers, he gonna try to cancel. But besides that,

2389
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:38,160
Speaker 14: like who should we have our eye on?

2390
02:17:38,360 --> 02:17:41,640
Speaker 7: What do you think, oh, for the midterms over twenty

2391
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:45,920
Speaker 7: eight midterms? Okay, I think we're going to win the midterms.

2392
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Speaker 11: Okay, I think.

2393
02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:52,440
Speaker 7: That the decentralization, the federalization of elections, the way that

2394
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:54,560
Speaker 7: every state runs their own elections, I don't see a

2395
02:17:54,640 --> 02:17:57,640
Speaker 7: logistical way for him to prevent that from happening. Period,

2396
02:17:57,879 --> 02:18:01,080
Speaker 7: he could tell yeah state not to have elections. I

2397
02:18:01,080 --> 02:18:03,560
Speaker 7: suppose the only ones that would obey him would be

2398
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Speaker 7: red states, in which case we would have a congressional

2399
02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:10,040
Speaker 7: election of only Democrats that go to the hill.

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02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:10,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:12,080
Speaker 11: Fine, Yeah, that's good to me.

2402
02:18:12,320 --> 02:18:14,600
Speaker 7: That's how we got the Reconstruction era amendment, was the

2403
02:18:14,600 --> 02:18:17,680
Speaker 7: conservatives in the South state home and didn't go to Congress.

2404
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:19,920
Speaker 7: So fine, But I don't think that's going to happen

2405
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:21,920
Speaker 7: because there are too many Republicans in red states who

2406
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:23,880
Speaker 7: want to run for governors and who want to be senators,

2407
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:25,879
Speaker 7: and they're already having fund raisers. So I do think

2408
02:18:25,879 --> 02:18:27,959
Speaker 7: we're going to have the midterms, and I think we're

2409
02:18:27,959 --> 02:18:29,920
Speaker 7: going to win. And I'm basing that on the special

2410
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:33,160
Speaker 7: elections that we've been having, sure since January of last year.

2411
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:36,160
Speaker 7: And it's not just you know, I mean, special elections

2412
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:39,360
Speaker 7: are different. We were like plus thirteen on average overperformance

2413
02:18:39,440 --> 02:18:41,520
Speaker 7: and special elections. That's not going to replicate itself in

2414
02:18:41,560 --> 02:18:44,560
Speaker 7: the midterms because special elections tend to be like very partisan.

2415
02:18:44,800 --> 02:18:47,200
Speaker 7: People are very dedicated to coming out. But in the

2416
02:18:47,240 --> 02:18:50,000
Speaker 7: last couple of special elections that we've had in Texas,

2417
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:54,680
Speaker 7: New Jersey, Louisiana, Republicans have flipped. Yeah, and that is

2418
02:18:54,720 --> 02:18:56,680
Speaker 7: where I'm like, oh, it's in the back, Like maybe

2419
02:18:56,680 --> 02:18:58,520
Speaker 7: the majority won't be huge. I don't know that it's

2420
02:18:58,560 --> 02:19:00,000
Speaker 7: going to be a landslide because they're going to fuck

2421
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,560
Speaker 7: with it whatever. Voter suppression is real, But I do

2422
02:19:02,600 --> 02:19:04,600
Speaker 7: think that at least the House we're gonna we're gonna win,

2423
02:19:04,640 --> 02:19:07,840
Speaker 7: and the Senate I'm looking at. I think Alaska is

2424
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:11,080
Speaker 7: super interesting. Ohio, North Carolina for sure. Everybody loves word

2425
02:19:11,080 --> 02:19:14,720
Speaker 7: Cooper in North Carolina. Yeah, Texas, whether you like Jasmine,

2426
02:19:14,720 --> 02:19:17,680
Speaker 7: crocod or Tallerico, either one of them are interesting. You know, Yeah,

2427
02:19:17,720 --> 02:19:18,800
Speaker 7: Texas could be interesting.

2428
02:19:18,879 --> 02:19:20,400
Speaker 11: So yeah, I think it's love it.

2429
02:19:20,720 --> 02:19:22,520
Speaker 7: If I were a Republican, I would be very nervous.

2430
02:19:22,640 --> 02:19:26,240
Speaker 14: You better be, because like you can't pretzel yourself any worse.

2431
02:19:26,400 --> 02:19:29,280
Speaker 14: Like I think people forget that, like ambition didn't die

2432
02:19:29,800 --> 02:19:33,840
Speaker 14: when Trump became president. People still are ambitious and at

2433
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:37,640
Speaker 14: some point you won't realize like shit ain't working, Homie.

2434
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:39,160
Speaker 11: Which rings the last way? If we got time. Yeah,

2435
02:19:39,240 --> 02:19:40,480
Speaker 11: let me ask you about twenty twenty eight.

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02:19:40,480 --> 02:19:41,160
Speaker 9: What do you think.

2437
02:19:43,720 --> 02:19:46,959
Speaker 7: It's too it's too No, God, No, he's not gonna.

2438
02:19:46,760 --> 02:19:47,360
Speaker 5: Make it that long.

2439
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:50,360
Speaker 14: I was like, he's gonna I keep telling all my friends.

2440
02:19:50,400 --> 02:19:51,680
Speaker 14: I was like, I think you have to accept that

2441
02:19:51,720 --> 02:19:54,080
Speaker 14: he's gonna die in office anyway.

2442
02:19:54,120 --> 02:19:56,480
Speaker 7: But yeah, yeah, he's not gonna make it. It's gonna be.

2443
02:19:56,560 --> 02:19:59,080
Speaker 7: It's gonna be Vance. Although I think he'll have some

2444
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:02,400
Speaker 7: competition maybe from Marjorie Tiller Green. I think she's going

2445
02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:03,040
Speaker 7: to try to run.

2446
02:20:03,080 --> 02:20:05,480
Speaker 11: I think Marjorie's running well. About Tuck.

2447
02:20:06,920 --> 02:20:09,120
Speaker 7: Tucker, I think he might go for like a cabinet position.

2448
02:20:09,560 --> 02:20:12,160
Speaker 7: You think so he's just like a stupid little bow tie.

2449
02:20:12,200 --> 02:20:14,080
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody would go for him. I don't know.

2450
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:17,959
Speaker 11: Okay, stand at me. I really don't, like you can't.

2451
02:20:18,040 --> 02:20:21,400
Speaker 7: But yeah, he's so unlikable. Yeah, but so is jd.

2452
02:20:21,560 --> 02:20:21,800
Speaker 9: Vance.

2453
02:20:21,800 --> 02:20:25,520
Speaker 7: To be honest anyway, on our side, you know, it's

2454
02:20:25,560 --> 02:20:27,640
Speaker 7: so early, Yeah, and I think that there are people

2455
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,480
Speaker 7: who are starting to poke their heads up now, Like

2456
02:20:29,560 --> 02:20:32,080
Speaker 7: I think Osof in Georgia is starting to be a

2457
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:35,680
Speaker 7: little and he's the best fundraiser in seven So the

2458
02:20:35,720 --> 02:20:38,080
Speaker 7: two best fundraisers are actually a ticket. I would really

2459
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:41,800
Speaker 7: be interested in, which is OSOF and AOC. They're the

2460
02:20:41,800 --> 02:20:44,119
Speaker 7: two best fund raiders in the party, and that's a ticket.

2461
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:45,160
Speaker 7: I would not be upset.

2462
02:20:44,920 --> 02:20:48,080
Speaker 11: About, you know, AO, AOC ticket would be crazy.

2463
02:20:48,320 --> 02:20:51,080
Speaker 7: I'm not necessarily on the Newsome train. I'm not gonna lie,

2464
02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:52,200
Speaker 7: I'm not really on the Newsom train.

2465
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:57,840
Speaker 14: Sister Taylor secret about California feels about I know, I know,

2466
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:00,480
Speaker 14: which is not so much of a secret.

2467
02:21:00,560 --> 02:21:01,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, not so hot.

2468
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:04,240
Speaker 14: We we'd definitely be looking at our like our like

2469
02:21:04,400 --> 02:21:07,800
Speaker 14: red our Orange counties are our red stations, and they'd

2470
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:10,279
Speaker 14: be like Gavin newsowhere like yeah no.

2471
02:21:10,200 --> 02:21:10,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know.

2472
02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:12,840
Speaker 7: Sure, hard degree.

2473
02:21:12,959 --> 02:21:16,720
Speaker 11: Yeah no for real, same heart degree. Yeah.

2474
02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:19,960
Speaker 7: Anyway, I appreciate that he was one of the first

2475
02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:23,200
Speaker 7: high profile Democrats to stand up to Trump in this administration.

2476
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:25,600
Speaker 7: I appreciate that That's not good enough reason for me

2477
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:26,560
Speaker 7: to make a president.

2478
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:28,920
Speaker 14: Not the president. Yeah, I'm like, you're not. Yeah, you're

2479
02:21:28,920 --> 02:21:30,120
Speaker 14: not a flaming bag of shit.

2480
02:21:30,400 --> 02:21:32,039
Speaker 11: I got it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,

2481
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:32,560
Speaker 11: you're a DC.

2482
02:21:32,680 --> 02:21:33,560
Speaker 7: Hell, you're not a fascist.

2483
02:21:33,640 --> 02:21:36,080
Speaker 14: Yeah you're not a fascist, Like okay, but you're willing

2484
02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:38,680
Speaker 14: to get on a podcast because for some reason you

2485
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:40,600
Speaker 14: want like I don't understand.

2486
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:41,560
Speaker 11: Where your where's your code?

2487
02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:42,000
Speaker 4: You know?

2488
02:21:42,600 --> 02:21:44,560
Speaker 14: And also I'm like, I don't know, man, you know,

2489
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:46,840
Speaker 14: a grown man like that still slicking his hair back

2490
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:48,480
Speaker 14: is it's just odd to me.

2491
02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:53,360
Speaker 7: That's going to do it for some like sixty year

2492
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:55,760
Speaker 7: old ladies in the suffer. He's going to have like

2493
02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:58,240
Speaker 7: a Kennedy thing, you know, like, oh he's so handsome,

2494
02:21:58,320 --> 02:21:58,959
Speaker 7: but that's but so.

2495
02:21:59,040 --> 02:22:01,000
Speaker 11: Is awesome Hoodsop's handsome.

2496
02:22:01,480 --> 02:22:04,640
Speaker 14: Yeah maybe I don't know, bro, Yeah, you just I

2497
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:06,400
Speaker 14: feel like you like I feel like, here's the thing.

2498
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:08,600
Speaker 11: Here's the thing about about we need to end this.

2499
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:10,320
Speaker 14: But the thing about Gavin to me is I'm like,

2500
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:13,680
Speaker 14: there's this just like sheen to where it's just like, oh,

2501
02:22:13,720 --> 02:22:17,879
Speaker 14: you need to be liked, and like, you know, it's

2502
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:21,200
Speaker 14: this whole like la transplant thing, like you know where

2503
02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:24,000
Speaker 14: everybody's like, oh it's so Hollywood and we're like natives

2504
02:22:24,040 --> 02:22:27,160
Speaker 14: are like those are all transplants. We're not like that,

2505
02:22:27,320 --> 02:22:29,720
Speaker 14: you know what I'm saying. So, but to me, he

2506
02:22:29,879 --> 02:22:31,760
Speaker 14: just has that to where I'm just like, oh, you

2507
02:22:31,800 --> 02:22:34,080
Speaker 14: need to be the prom king. You need to like, Oh,

2508
02:22:34,440 --> 02:22:36,640
Speaker 14: you need this too much? You feel me like, and

2509
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:39,400
Speaker 14: to me, I'm like, oh I don't. I can't. I

2510
02:22:39,440 --> 02:22:42,800
Speaker 14: can't ride like this. You need to you, you need

2511
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:44,640
Speaker 14: you need to be popular too much. I don't.

2512
02:22:44,879 --> 02:22:46,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I prefer president.

2513
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:46,840
Speaker 11: I can't trust you.

2514
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:47,240
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2515
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:49,440
Speaker 7: They need to resent being there a little bit. I

2516
02:22:49,440 --> 02:22:50,959
Speaker 7: feel like it needs to feel like you.

2517
02:22:50,920 --> 02:22:52,720
Speaker 11: Gotta like you gotta kind of be like, I'll be

2518
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:53,920
Speaker 11: all right if it don't work out.

2519
02:22:54,879 --> 02:22:56,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, there needs to be a sense of

2520
02:22:56,480 --> 02:22:58,160
Speaker 7: service entitlement.

2521
02:22:58,520 --> 02:23:00,880
Speaker 11: Man, my camera turns off every half hour. I don't

2522
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:01,160
Speaker 11: know why.

2523
02:23:01,160 --> 02:23:03,039
Speaker 14: I stuff to figure that out anyway, but that's a

2524
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:05,560
Speaker 14: good sign for us to wrap this up. Please, can

2525
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:09,200
Speaker 14: you drop all the at mentions for your stuff so

2526
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:11,840
Speaker 14: that these people can enjoy what I enjoy.

2527
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:16,000
Speaker 7: It's Amanda's mild takes everywhere except not Blue Sky. I

2528
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:16,800
Speaker 7: can deal with that, but.

2529
02:23:16,760 --> 02:23:21,320
Speaker 14: Everywhere else, Yeah, Amanda's mile takes with the Pettysburg addressed.

2530
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:25,040
Speaker 14: It's brilliant. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you,

2531
02:23:25,400 --> 02:23:27,720
Speaker 14: we appreciate it. Y'all go please, you know she'd be

2532
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:28,840
Speaker 14: alway air dropping gyms.

2533
02:23:29,240 --> 02:23:30,080
Speaker 11: It's just a good time.

2534
02:23:45,080 --> 02:23:48,560
Speaker 3: This is it could happen here in Executive Disorder, our

2535
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:51,200
Speaker 3: weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the

2536
02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:53,160
Speaker 3: crumbling world, and what it means for you.

2537
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:54,959
Speaker 11: I'm Garrison Davis today.

2538
02:23:54,959 --> 02:23:58,960
Speaker 3: I'm joined by Sophie Lichtermann, James Stout, and Robert Evans.

2539
02:23:59,480 --> 02:24:01,920
Speaker 3: This episode, we're covering the week of February fourth to

2540
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:07,320
Speaker 3: February eleventh. It was the Super Bowl. Wasn't that fun?

2541
02:24:07,720 --> 02:24:10,560
Speaker 3: I heard it was streaming on Peacock this year, so

2542
02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:13,120
Speaker 3: I built it up my Peacock account, went to the

2543
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:17,960
Speaker 3: sports section and was surprised at how few Americans there

2544
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:22,039
Speaker 3: were and how many other flags there were. And I

2545
02:24:22,040 --> 02:24:25,280
Speaker 3: do not remember this much skating typically at previous the

2546
02:24:25,320 --> 02:24:29,720
Speaker 3: previous Super Bowl shows or the ski jumping, But I

2547
02:24:29,720 --> 02:24:31,760
Speaker 3: mean I was it was still fun to watch people compete.

2548
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:32,480
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

2549
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:35,279
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is because I was watching the Winter Olympics.

2550
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:38,120
Speaker 1: Get it it's I did, I did, I did get it.

2551
02:24:38,120 --> 02:24:40,320
Speaker 2: Good work gear, no fun stuff.

2552
02:24:40,520 --> 02:24:42,920
Speaker 5: What's your favorite Winter Olympics? And Lane Garrison as a.

2553
02:24:42,879 --> 02:24:45,520
Speaker 3: Canadian, Honestly, the ski jumping is pretty exciting.

2554
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:48,039
Speaker 11: They really fly, Yeah, they do.

2555
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:50,800
Speaker 6: That video of that guy that went viral that did

2556
02:24:50,879 --> 02:24:55,160
Speaker 6: like a under six minute mile on skis uphill.

2557
02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, going uphill.

2558
02:24:56,120 --> 02:24:56,880
Speaker 1: It's crazy to me.

2559
02:24:56,920 --> 02:25:00,920
Speaker 5: Clear he's not going for a mile, like, he just

2560
02:25:00,959 --> 02:25:03,760
Speaker 5: goes uphill, like the whole course is like a mile. Ash.

2561
02:25:03,800 --> 02:25:07,400
Speaker 5: Well yeah, still cross country skis having insane v O

2562
02:25:07,480 --> 02:25:10,120
Speaker 5: two maxes cross country ski when I get the chance.

2563
02:25:10,200 --> 02:25:12,080
Speaker 5: It's fun. But they don't go that fast.

2564
02:25:12,440 --> 02:25:12,959
Speaker 11: But no, we do.

2565
02:25:13,080 --> 02:25:15,600
Speaker 3: We do need to discuss this. The actual super Bowl

2566
02:25:15,640 --> 02:25:19,800
Speaker 3: halftime show actually, well no, not the actual one, the

2567
02:25:19,840 --> 02:25:23,440
Speaker 3: other one. Yeah, the All American halftime show.

2568
02:25:24,120 --> 02:25:27,840
Speaker 5: Maybe I'll just say the kid who Bad Bunny gave

2569
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:30,240
Speaker 5: his Grammy too was not the same child who you

2570
02:25:30,280 --> 02:25:32,600
Speaker 5: saw being abducted by Ice in a little blue bunny hat.

2571
02:25:33,560 --> 02:25:36,840
Speaker 6: It was supposed to symbolize a young beneath him.

2572
02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:39,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, not anything else.

2573
02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:40,840
Speaker 5: It really was not.

2574
02:25:41,640 --> 02:25:44,480
Speaker 6: There was a lot of underlying messages in that show

2575
02:25:45,160 --> 02:25:46,440
Speaker 6: that were very important.

2576
02:25:46,480 --> 02:25:47,400
Speaker 1: But it would be weird.

2577
02:25:47,800 --> 02:25:49,960
Speaker 2: It would be weird if he put in a kid

2578
02:25:50,040 --> 02:25:52,000
Speaker 2: that looked like the five year old that was abducted

2579
02:25:52,040 --> 02:25:54,240
Speaker 2: in prison by Ice to give him a grammy.

2580
02:25:55,120 --> 02:25:58,520
Speaker 5: That would have been really would not have been a

2581
02:25:59,080 --> 02:26:01,880
Speaker 5: cool move. Yeah, that would that would have been bad.

2582
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:04,640
Speaker 1: Just to say it was a great halftime show. I

2583
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:05,480
Speaker 1: enjoyed it thoroughly.

2584
02:26:06,400 --> 02:26:11,480
Speaker 3: And now here's a clip of the All American halftime show,

2585
02:26:11,560 --> 02:26:20,040
Speaker 3: the real halftime show, our favorite Kid Rock. Ready, whoa,

2586
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,160
Speaker 3: somebody makes some motherfucking.

2587
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:30,520
Speaker 4: Noise in here. There's nobody there.

2588
02:26:31,480 --> 02:26:33,280
Speaker 3: This is not This is not from the show. This

2589
02:26:33,320 --> 02:26:35,640
Speaker 3: is from Silicon Valley. This was This was a joke

2590
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:38,280
Speaker 3: that they did on the TV show Silicon Valley, which

2591
02:26:38,360 --> 02:26:43,480
Speaker 3: looks almost exactly like hilarious the Turning Point halftime show.

2592
02:26:43,480 --> 02:26:45,800
Speaker 5: I'm about to say, I didn't hear that aside from

2593
02:26:45,800 --> 02:26:48,800
Speaker 5: the Jewels the I thought that was a new angle.

2594
02:26:49,080 --> 02:26:51,280
Speaker 2: They did have more people in the crowd, but they

2595
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:53,360
Speaker 2: were hired actors, But they did have more people in

2596
02:26:53,400 --> 02:26:53,760
Speaker 2: the crowd.

2597
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:54,960
Speaker 3: Shockingly lines up.

2598
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:58,800
Speaker 6: Our colleague Molly Hunger described his outfit as needed to

2599
02:26:58,920 --> 02:27:01,040
Speaker 6: run out the home deep bo to pick up us

2600
02:27:01,080 --> 02:27:02,480
Speaker 6: part for something.

2601
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:08,320
Speaker 2: He's in like shorts and has a wristbracer.

2602
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:14,520
Speaker 3: It's great, We'll get to Kid Rock in a sec.

2603
02:27:14,680 --> 02:27:18,520
Speaker 3: But let's start at the beginning. While watching the Turning

2604
02:27:18,520 --> 02:27:20,880
Speaker 3: Point stream, there was no indication where the show is

2605
02:27:20,920 --> 02:27:24,440
Speaker 3: being broadcast from or whether it was live but four

2606
02:27:24,440 --> 02:27:27,280
Speaker 3: performers saying back to back to back, indicating the show

2607
02:27:27,320 --> 02:27:30,480
Speaker 3: was cut together from previously taped performances. Yes, the venue

2608
02:27:30,600 --> 02:27:35,039
Speaker 3: was this dark, narrow, rectangular room with high ceilings and

2609
02:27:35,080 --> 02:27:37,920
Speaker 3: studio lights. In the middle was a long stage with

2610
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:40,880
Speaker 3: a small audience on either side, maybe torch people tops.

2611
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:45,400
Speaker 3: But the show was introduced by none other than Jack Pisobek,

2612
02:27:45,800 --> 02:27:47,440
Speaker 3: which I will show now.

2613
02:27:48,040 --> 02:27:52,520
Speaker 16: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Turning Point USA All

2614
02:27:52,680 --> 02:27:54,760
Speaker 16: American Halftime Show.

2615
02:27:55,160 --> 02:27:57,879
Speaker 3: And this one's for you, Charlie.

2616
02:28:01,480 --> 02:28:04,119
Speaker 2: Great stuff. So they stuff.

2617
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:07,120
Speaker 5: Four hundred and forty six down votes on rumble h

2618
02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:08,280
Speaker 5: that's rough.

2619
02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I watched this. I will admit I

2620
02:28:12,320 --> 02:28:15,240
Speaker 2: watched it after the actual halftime show because it was

2621
02:28:15,800 --> 02:28:18,400
Speaker 2: on YouTube and there was no reason to actually catch

2622
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:20,120
Speaker 2: it during the Super Bowl. And by the way, the

2623
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:22,720
Speaker 2: viewership number suggests that most people who did catch it

2624
02:28:23,120 --> 02:28:24,840
Speaker 2: watched it after the Super Bowl.

2625
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:26,959
Speaker 5: Yes, because it's weird.

2626
02:28:26,760 --> 02:28:29,520
Speaker 2: To pause or turn off the sound in the middle

2627
02:28:29,560 --> 02:28:31,480
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl and pull up like a laptop

2628
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:35,120
Speaker 2: or something to go watch the fucking Turning Point USA show.

2629
02:28:35,560 --> 02:28:39,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cumbersome, really really anti social behavior at

2630
02:28:39,640 --> 02:28:42,400
Speaker 3: the super Bowl party. To turn off the stream, plug

2631
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:45,040
Speaker 3: in your laptop, go to rumble dot com.

2632
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:47,760
Speaker 2: If you are doing that, your kids have not talked

2633
02:28:47,800 --> 02:28:51,880
Speaker 2: to you longer than they've been alive, Like they abandoned

2634
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:53,160
Speaker 2: you before they were born.

2635
02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:56,920
Speaker 6: Well, parsident Trump watched the actual Super Bowl halftime show.

2636
02:28:57,080 --> 02:29:00,360
Speaker 1: Sure he did, there's photos of him watch it.

2637
02:29:00,800 --> 02:29:03,840
Speaker 2: He knows that this is loser shit. It's it's just

2638
02:29:03,959 --> 02:29:07,160
Speaker 2: about the loserst loser ship that I have ever seen.

2639
02:29:07,360 --> 02:29:11,120
Speaker 2: And right after Jack Besovic introduced it, it cuts to this.

2640
02:29:11,200 --> 02:29:13,360
Speaker 2: You've got this black stage and there's like an amp

2641
02:29:13,520 --> 02:29:16,400
Speaker 2: on the stage and a guy walks up to it

2642
02:29:16,400 --> 02:29:16,920
Speaker 2: with a guitar.

2643
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:21,720
Speaker 17: Not a guy Brandley Gilbert. Okay, that's Bentley. Okay, that's

2644
02:29:21,800 --> 02:29:25,200
Speaker 17: that's Brentley. I was going to introduce his name afterwards.

2645
02:29:25,440 --> 02:29:30,080
Speaker 17: But Garrison, you miss something important because Brandley Gilbert's band

2646
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:34,000
Speaker 17: is where this guy is from. But the all electric

2647
02:29:34,080 --> 02:29:37,440
Speaker 17: guitar performance of the Star Spangled Banner is led by

2648
02:29:37,480 --> 02:29:39,640
Speaker 17: the great guitarist Spencer wohsdor.

2649
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:42,199
Speaker 5: Wow, who.

2650
02:29:44,400 --> 02:29:50,959
Speaker 17: Where are they finding these guys in Brandley Gilbert's band, Garrison,

2651
02:29:51,400 --> 02:29:53,160
Speaker 17: This all sounds like and I think.

2652
02:29:52,959 --> 02:29:54,240
Speaker 5: You should leave sketch.

2653
02:29:55,680 --> 02:29:57,279
Speaker 11: I'm making up these names.

2654
02:29:57,320 --> 02:29:59,720
Speaker 3: The whole performance was that. I think you should leave sketch.

2655
02:30:00,120 --> 02:30:02,720
Speaker 3: But no, it's beautiful electric guitar riff of the Star

2656
02:30:02,760 --> 02:30:03,520
Speaker 3: Spangled Banner.

2657
02:30:06,560 --> 02:30:09,120
Speaker 2: No, I got a clip to play because there's a

2658
02:30:09,160 --> 02:30:13,000
Speaker 2: moment here. They had pyrotechnics during the show, like the

2659
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:16,560
Speaker 2: real show had, but they're not good. They were better

2660
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:20,240
Speaker 2: for the kid rock performance. For the electric guitars, they're

2661
02:30:20,280 --> 02:30:22,600
Speaker 2: just kind of sad and they make a sad, little

2662
02:30:22,680 --> 02:30:27,160
Speaker 2: popping sound. Well, again, a single man is playing guitar.

2663
02:30:27,400 --> 02:30:30,920
Speaker 5: Stay Jimmy Hendricks played the Star Spangled Banner on guitar,

2664
02:30:30,959 --> 02:30:32,760
Speaker 5: but he was good at playing guitars. But he was

2665
02:30:32,800 --> 02:30:36,160
Speaker 5: one of the best guitar players. Yeah, yeah, different. It

2666
02:30:36,200 --> 02:30:39,200
Speaker 5: does seem like a high yardstick. They've chosen to measure themselves.

2667
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:41,400
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a second, but I gotta

2668
02:30:41,440 --> 02:30:43,480
Speaker 2: show you guys. You just need to see the pop

2669
02:30:43,480 --> 02:30:46,080
Speaker 2: of these pyro technics just for a second, and you,

2670
02:30:46,160 --> 02:31:00,760
Speaker 2: the listener needs to hear it.

2671
02:31:00,760 --> 02:31:03,800
Speaker 5: It's giving village fyworks shit.

2672
02:31:05,320 --> 02:31:05,360
Speaker 12: It.

2673
02:31:06,959 --> 02:31:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh that's beautiful.

2674
02:31:08,480 --> 02:31:10,200
Speaker 1: It's great. I don't know what you're talking about. I

2675
02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:10,720
Speaker 1: loved it.

2676
02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:14,280
Speaker 2: Per what you were saying earlier. There's a New York

2677
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:18,400
Speaker 2: Times article for Fox's sake that the original title it

2678
02:31:18,480 --> 02:31:21,760
Speaker 2: was published under was the All American Halftime featured an

2679
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:28,360
Speaker 2: electric anthem, unlike Kendricks. Now they changed that title in

2680
02:31:28,440 --> 02:31:31,920
Speaker 2: the reporter's notebook article to what does a whaling electric

2681
02:31:31,959 --> 02:31:36,480
Speaker 2: take on the Star Spangled Banner mean?

2682
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:38,520
Speaker 5: I'm glad that they are getting to the core of

2683
02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:41,600
Speaker 5: the issues the publication that ignored all my pitches about

2684
02:31:41,640 --> 02:31:42,840
Speaker 5: me and math for several years.

2685
02:31:43,080 --> 02:31:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's good. This is much more important. Let's

2686
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:48,039
Speaker 2: listen to a quote from this article that I think

2687
02:31:48,080 --> 02:31:50,000
Speaker 2: we can all agree it matters much more than a

2688
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:54,119
Speaker 2: war in musical terms. Wasdorp's version of the Star Spangled

2689
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:57,520
Speaker 2: Banner was conservative too. Despite the bent notes and feedback,

2690
02:31:57,560 --> 02:32:00,360
Speaker 2: it largely stuck to the melody and conveyed it reference

2691
02:32:00,400 --> 02:32:02,200
Speaker 2: to stubborn form of patriotism.

2692
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I kind of loved it. What do

2693
02:32:07,680 --> 02:32:08,840
Speaker 1: you mean, you know it's terrible.

2694
02:32:08,879 --> 02:32:09,560
Speaker 11: It's terrible.

2695
02:32:10,280 --> 02:32:11,760
Speaker 1: Hard watch hard ball.

2696
02:32:11,959 --> 02:32:14,879
Speaker 2: That was the best part of it. I hate to

2697
02:32:14,879 --> 02:32:18,200
Speaker 2: say it, but unfortunately the pyrotechnics were basically competent for

2698
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:20,800
Speaker 2: the Kid Rock Show, which might have been the only

2699
02:32:20,879 --> 02:32:22,520
Speaker 2: competent part of the kid rock Show.

2700
02:32:22,600 --> 02:32:23,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to hate the kid rock Show.

2701
02:32:23,959 --> 02:32:24,240
Speaker 2: I haven't.

2702
02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:27,640
Speaker 3: I think there's some other hits from this from this show, though,

2703
02:32:27,879 --> 02:32:33,520
Speaker 3: including including Brandley Gilbert's second song, which starts as a

2704
02:32:33,560 --> 02:32:39,160
Speaker 3: slow acoustic ballad and then abruptly changes into whatever this is.

2705
02:32:39,440 --> 02:32:40,800
Speaker 11: Jay, maybe we.

2706
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:45,000
Speaker 1: Can learn how to kids and watch include now as

2707
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:45,680
Speaker 1: false and he.

2708
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:48,320
Speaker 7: Says, saying, what you have Rover spread like that?

2709
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:49,920
Speaker 4: Who saw the yallow nose?

2710
02:32:52,200 --> 02:32:53,080
Speaker 5: He's trying to rock.

2711
02:32:53,480 --> 02:32:54,360
Speaker 11: He's trying to rock.

2712
02:32:55,160 --> 02:32:58,720
Speaker 3: He is, he is trying, he is, he is trying

2713
02:32:59,640 --> 02:33:02,200
Speaker 3: faults he said. She said, I'm not going to read

2714
02:33:02,240 --> 02:33:04,279
Speaker 3: into what those lyrics are trying to express.

2715
02:33:04,360 --> 02:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Slow.

2716
02:33:05,200 --> 02:33:07,680
Speaker 3: But that was the second song I do. I want

2717
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:10,360
Speaker 3: to skip to the third act, which is Lee Brice.

2718
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:15,360
Speaker 3: He started his second song by saying, quote, Charlie gave

2719
02:33:15,400 --> 02:33:18,400
Speaker 3: people microphone so that they could say what was on

2720
02:33:18,440 --> 02:33:22,119
Speaker 3: their mind. This is what's on mine. And this next

2721
02:33:22,120 --> 02:33:26,360
Speaker 3: song starts like a parody of a conservative country song.

2722
02:33:26,680 --> 02:33:27,840
Speaker 3: Here's here's the beginning.

2723
02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:33,560
Speaker 4: I just want to catch my fish, drive my true, drink.

2724
02:33:33,360 --> 02:33:38,560
Speaker 9: My beer, not wake up all this stuff.

2725
02:33:41,480 --> 02:33:43,200
Speaker 5: I just want to catch my fish.

2726
02:33:43,480 --> 02:33:46,360
Speaker 3: I'm just a little teary eyed. Honestly, just listen to that.

2727
02:33:50,040 --> 02:33:53,200
Speaker 3: The next part is cons the next line.

2728
02:33:53,959 --> 02:33:55,640
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm coming at this rule.

2729
02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:58,440
Speaker 3: This is the next line of the song. The same

2730
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:02,119
Speaker 3: kind of gun I hunt with just killed another man.

2731
02:34:02,680 --> 02:34:04,680
Speaker 3: The only thing mine ever shot?

2732
02:34:05,160 --> 02:34:05,320
Speaker 5: Was it?

2733
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:09,879
Speaker 3: Dear from a deer stand? That's the next Sloty.

2734
02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:11,520
Speaker 5: Are you including that man?

2735
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:12,040
Speaker 7: Miracle?

2736
02:34:12,840 --> 02:34:15,600
Speaker 3: Why would you do that in a song? And the

2737
02:34:15,640 --> 02:34:18,560
Speaker 3: way he sings it is so bizarre, it's.

2738
02:34:18,400 --> 02:34:20,560
Speaker 11: It's it's about Charlie Cook.

2739
02:34:20,680 --> 02:34:21,680
Speaker 1: I would like to hear it.

2740
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:23,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just realizing.

2741
02:34:23,440 --> 02:34:27,039
Speaker 11: What the same kind of gone a hunt will just

2742
02:34:27,200 --> 02:34:33,640
Speaker 11: cute the only thing I shot? What is he doing?

2743
02:34:35,400 --> 02:34:35,560
Speaker 16: Why?

2744
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:39,440
Speaker 2: The gun violence problem is bad enough that he has

2745
02:34:39,480 --> 02:34:44,200
Speaker 2: to like make a comment about it existing and being depressing.

2746
02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:47,600
Speaker 2: He has to do that, but then immediately because the

2747
02:34:47,640 --> 02:34:50,680
Speaker 2: next bit after this, the most of the song is

2748
02:34:50,680 --> 02:34:53,439
Speaker 2: basically about I don't want to listen to the news, correct.

2749
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:55,279
Speaker 5: Like I don't want to I don't want to watch.

2750
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:58,840
Speaker 3: Things that remind me very The very next verse, yeah,

2751
02:34:59,440 --> 02:35:01,760
Speaker 3: I just want to to cut my grass, feed my dog,

2752
02:35:01,840 --> 02:35:04,920
Speaker 3: wear my boots, not turn the TV on and sit

2753
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:06,039
Speaker 3: and watch the news.

2754
02:35:06,200 --> 02:35:08,119
Speaker 5: That's an option for you, Like you can do that.

2755
02:35:08,480 --> 02:35:10,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's very doable, friend.

2756
02:35:10,840 --> 02:35:13,200
Speaker 2: That's entirely doable for you folks.

2757
02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:14,000
Speaker 1: You could do that.

2758
02:35:14,360 --> 02:35:16,200
Speaker 3: And I'm sure he is. But this is what he's

2759
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:17,840
Speaker 3: scared of hearing on the news.

2760
02:35:18,680 --> 02:35:24,199
Speaker 4: Told Fatal the little boys a little girl.

2761
02:35:24,400 --> 02:35:26,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, there it is.

2762
02:35:28,600 --> 02:35:30,840
Speaker 18: This yours.

2763
02:35:34,480 --> 02:35:37,119
Speaker 3: Of the creek, and discancel your ass world.

2764
02:35:37,800 --> 02:35:38,560
Speaker 11: But then he said it.

2765
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:40,920
Speaker 1: He put it in a sum Oh my god, I

2766
02:35:40,920 --> 02:35:41,600
Speaker 1: almost choke.

2767
02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:41,960
Speaker 19: Wow.

2768
02:35:42,400 --> 02:35:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah again, man, you're you're being paid to sing about this.

2769
02:35:46,760 --> 02:35:47,440
Speaker 11: It's amazing.

2770
02:35:47,560 --> 02:35:49,600
Speaker 5: In fact, it's your job because it's it's you know

2771
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:52,840
Speaker 5: that a few musical abilities. It's your it's your presumably

2772
02:35:52,959 --> 02:35:53,920
Speaker 5: well paid job.

2773
02:35:55,080 --> 02:35:58,480
Speaker 3: The whole repeated refrain of the song is it's not

2774
02:35:58,720 --> 02:36:02,959
Speaker 3: so easy being cut in this country nowadays that you guys.

2775
02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:03,600
Speaker 5: Are in charge.

2776
02:36:03,959 --> 02:36:04,560
Speaker 11: Entire song.

2777
02:36:05,160 --> 02:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Question, question, who is at this event? How many people?

2778
02:36:09,400 --> 02:36:10,040
Speaker 11: Where is it?

2779
02:36:10,440 --> 02:36:13,400
Speaker 3: About two hundred paid attendees in Atlanta, Georgia at a

2780
02:36:13,480 --> 02:36:14,439
Speaker 3: sound stage.

2781
02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:17,840
Speaker 6: Paid attendees, paid attendees cucial Yeah.

2782
02:36:17,959 --> 02:36:21,480
Speaker 5: Okay, a lot of like fresh stetsons and like unbroken

2783
02:36:21,560 --> 02:36:22,600
Speaker 5: in boots in the audience.

2784
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:26,000
Speaker 11: Maybe so many cowboy hats in the audience. You don't understand.

2785
02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:28,400
Speaker 5: It's like a bar in Jackson, Wyoming.

2786
02:36:28,520 --> 02:36:31,000
Speaker 3: I get the vibe, so many of them, and you're like,

2787
02:36:31,160 --> 02:36:34,400
Speaker 3: you're in Atlanta. Not many people wear cowboy hats in Atlanta.

2788
02:36:34,480 --> 02:36:37,520
Speaker 11: I'm sorry. That's it's not like Texas or Oklahoma.

2789
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:40,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I love. I love to see someone in

2790
02:36:40,400 --> 02:36:41,800
Speaker 5: a freshly purchased setting.

2791
02:36:42,120 --> 02:36:45,440
Speaker 3: The next song, after this, after this country one, well,

2792
02:36:45,560 --> 02:36:47,840
Speaker 3: they're all country songs, but like the next song is

2793
02:36:47,959 --> 02:36:50,800
Speaker 3: what I think is a love song that that goes

2794
02:36:50,920 --> 02:36:55,160
Speaker 3: quote sometimes I drink too much. Sometimes I test your trust.

2795
02:36:55,520 --> 02:36:58,520
Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't know why you stay with me. I'm

2796
02:36:58,640 --> 02:37:04,720
Speaker 3: hard to love, which, yeah, that's related to the last

2797
02:37:04,879 --> 02:37:09,480
Speaker 3: song you were singing. Maybe a little bit about about

2798
02:37:09,560 --> 02:37:16,160
Speaker 3: bullying your children. Wow, sick oh man. But finally, finally

2799
02:37:16,480 --> 02:37:18,920
Speaker 3: the main act, right, Well, what we've all been waiting for,

2800
02:37:19,280 --> 02:37:21,720
Speaker 3: kid kid rock. I'm gonna play a little over a

2801
02:37:21,800 --> 02:37:23,960
Speaker 3: minute for us. We're not gonna include all of this

2802
02:37:24,080 --> 02:37:26,600
Speaker 3: in the episode. We're just gonna we're just gonna include

2803
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:29,120
Speaker 3: the I Am a kid section. But I do need

2804
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:30,640
Speaker 3: to show show this all to James.

2805
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:33,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, because this is fun. I think a lot about

2806
02:37:33,320 --> 02:37:37,040
Speaker 5: Like there's that Steve Goodman parody country song that you

2807
02:37:37,080 --> 02:37:41,920
Speaker 5: couldn't write today because it's better musically and less ridiculous

2808
02:37:42,040 --> 02:37:45,000
Speaker 5: than the actual country songs that we're hearing.

2809
02:37:45,640 --> 02:37:46,680
Speaker 11: All right, James, are you ready?

2810
02:37:46,760 --> 02:37:56,520
Speaker 5: Always I've never seen it before.

2811
02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:04,280
Speaker 2: Now that's enough. That's more than enough.

2812
02:38:04,480 --> 02:38:05,680
Speaker 11: There's a lot to talk about.

2813
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:07,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got to unpack some of this.

2814
02:38:07,480 --> 02:38:08,840
Speaker 1: He was better at the rn C.

2815
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:13,199
Speaker 3: He's flipping that. He's flipping that mic NonStop. He loves

2816
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:13,760
Speaker 3: that move.

2817
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:16,200
Speaker 5: But his name is But that's how we got the

2818
02:38:16,240 --> 02:38:16,920
Speaker 5: wrist injury.

2819
02:38:17,959 --> 02:38:21,280
Speaker 2: I will say the first guys to play had a

2820
02:38:21,400 --> 02:38:23,920
Speaker 2: mic with a pair of brass knuckles built into it,

2821
02:38:24,040 --> 02:38:26,240
Speaker 2: which I did like, I think we do need a

2822
02:38:26,360 --> 02:38:28,800
Speaker 2: version of that. That's a full knuckle duster from World

2823
02:38:28,879 --> 02:38:30,800
Speaker 2: War One, so it's got the trench knife on the

2824
02:38:30,879 --> 02:38:31,360
Speaker 2: other side.

2825
02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:35,800
Speaker 5: Perfect. Yeah we can. Yeah, at least take a risk.

2826
02:38:35,879 --> 02:38:37,080
Speaker 5: Don't be a coward every time you.

2827
02:38:37,080 --> 02:38:37,480
Speaker 4: Fit them on.

2828
02:38:37,800 --> 02:38:39,400
Speaker 5: Take a risk, be a man.

2829
02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:45,160
Speaker 3: As the kid rock lights turn on, he explosively jumps

2830
02:38:45,240 --> 02:38:49,280
Speaker 3: onto the stage. White fur coat, acid washed jeans, black

2831
02:38:49,320 --> 02:38:51,600
Speaker 3: for Dora. Yeah, I used to be a piece of shit.

2832
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:55,400
Speaker 5: It's jeans Garrison. These are jewelts that cut they are

2833
02:38:55,440 --> 02:38:57,440
Speaker 5: cut off a bunch of me jeorts and.

2834
02:38:57,680 --> 02:39:01,680
Speaker 6: Second correction, it was a white furute code vest.

2835
02:39:01,800 --> 02:39:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a vest. And I should note also that

2836
02:39:05,959 --> 02:39:09,240
Speaker 2: his fedora did not have the safari flaps. I repeat,

2837
02:39:09,360 --> 02:39:11,360
Speaker 2: it did not have the safari flaps.

2838
02:39:11,400 --> 02:39:15,640
Speaker 5: But it's leather, like a shiny black leather, not a

2839
02:39:15,680 --> 02:39:16,400
Speaker 5: breatheable hat.

2840
02:39:17,240 --> 02:39:19,600
Speaker 3: It's it's beautiful. It's beautiful to see. It is, really,

2841
02:39:20,120 --> 02:39:21,600
Speaker 3: it really is, And I think you should leave sketch

2842
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:22,199
Speaker 3: come to life.

2843
02:39:22,400 --> 02:39:23,640
Speaker 5: It's ok.

2844
02:39:24,280 --> 02:39:26,560
Speaker 11: He just she just jumps around. It's flipping that mic.

2845
02:39:26,879 --> 02:39:30,160
Speaker 1: How long does he perform? How many songs do we get?

2846
02:39:30,840 --> 02:39:32,240
Speaker 11: He gets like two or three songs?

2847
02:39:32,320 --> 02:39:32,520
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2848
02:39:33,000 --> 02:39:33,200
Speaker 5: None.

2849
02:39:33,560 --> 02:39:36,000
Speaker 3: None of the audio for this song matches what we're

2850
02:39:36,040 --> 02:39:41,160
Speaker 3: seeing on the sinking is totally off, leading a lot

2851
02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:42,920
Speaker 3: of people to suspect that that it was it was

2852
02:39:43,000 --> 02:39:45,400
Speaker 3: lip SYNCD on stage poorly. We'll get to that in

2853
02:39:45,480 --> 02:39:49,080
Speaker 3: a sec. But the next song began with a two

2854
02:39:49,240 --> 02:39:53,000
Speaker 3: minute prelude featuring the cello and violin.

2855
02:39:53,560 --> 02:39:56,160
Speaker 5: Which is it one of those like it's just the

2856
02:39:56,240 --> 02:39:59,280
Speaker 5: frame of a cello. Oh, James, you'll see I'm going

2857
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:06,080
Speaker 5: to see it can offense to god, that's a real cello. Wow.

2858
02:40:06,959 --> 02:40:10,400
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's an interesting outfits. Dressed kind of like

2859
02:40:11,320 --> 02:40:13,720
Speaker 5: dressed like that. Yeah, one of the three Musketeers is

2860
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:15,959
Speaker 5: playing cello. For those of you listening, get home, wait.

2861
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:19,680
Speaker 9: Please welcome our brother Robert.

2862
02:40:19,480 --> 02:40:27,800
Speaker 3: Richie Robert Richard Ritchie is kid Rock his real government name.

2863
02:40:29,040 --> 02:40:32,600
Speaker 3: They reintroduced him under his legal name for the second song.

2864
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:36,480
Speaker 5: Kid Rocks Are Not Born. There may those people who

2865
02:40:36,520 --> 02:40:37,640
Speaker 5: introduced him. What was there?

2866
02:40:37,879 --> 02:40:38,720
Speaker 2: That was it for them?

2867
02:40:38,879 --> 02:40:39,240
Speaker 11: Unclear?

2868
02:40:39,360 --> 02:40:42,680
Speaker 3: Okay, they only existed on screen to introduce kid Rock

2869
02:40:43,080 --> 02:40:45,920
Speaker 3: as kid Rock the first time, and then as rich Russell,

2870
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:50,000
Speaker 3: Richie Russell whatever is Robert Richie, Robert Richie, whatever his

2871
02:40:50,120 --> 02:40:52,840
Speaker 3: real name is. That's the only time they appeared was

2872
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:57,320
Speaker 3: to introduce kid Rock both times. Now, after the show,

2873
02:40:57,360 --> 02:40:58,920
Speaker 3: it was revealed this whole thing was pre taped on

2874
02:40:58,920 --> 02:41:02,280
Speaker 3: a sound stage Atlanta, and a few days later Kid

2875
02:41:02,440 --> 02:41:05,480
Speaker 3: Rock released a video addressing the rumors that his performance

2876
02:41:05,600 --> 02:41:08,160
Speaker 3: was lip SYNCD, which he denies.

2877
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:09,960
Speaker 20: You know, we taped it and then they sent me

2878
02:41:10,040 --> 02:41:13,880
Speaker 20: a first cut, and my comment was, the sink is

2879
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,080
Speaker 20: off they were trying to line up. First off, if

2880
02:41:17,080 --> 02:41:19,119
Speaker 20: we would have done it, if we would have recorded

2881
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:21,080
Speaker 20: it and then and then played like we were singing it,

2882
02:41:21,240 --> 02:41:21,840
Speaker 20: lip synced it.

2883
02:41:22,480 --> 02:41:24,400
Speaker 21: It would have been Pie. It would have been Pie.

2884
02:41:24,480 --> 02:41:27,320
Speaker 20: The line up it was very difficult for them because

2885
02:41:27,440 --> 02:41:30,880
Speaker 20: somebody clearly wasn't super familiar with the song. Also, when

2886
02:41:30,879 --> 02:41:32,920
Speaker 20: I asked him, I go, you know, Freddy raps that

2887
02:41:33,080 --> 02:41:35,520
Speaker 20: song with me my DJ, And they're like he does what?

2888
02:41:35,959 --> 02:41:38,640
Speaker 20: And I'm like, oh no, I'm like, yeah, do we

2889
02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:40,119
Speaker 20: have any cutaways of Freddy?

2890
02:41:40,760 --> 02:41:43,600
Speaker 9: And and they know they didn't know.

2891
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:44,520
Speaker 5: He wasn't.

2892
02:41:45,320 --> 02:41:50,160
Speaker 21: No, he didn't even line up any TV time. No, sorry,

2893
02:41:53,920 --> 02:41:55,360
Speaker 21: So they don't have that.

2894
02:41:56,040 --> 02:41:58,640
Speaker 20: Now it's extremely difficult for them to line up the

2895
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:00,080
Speaker 20: sink could have been done if we.

2896
02:42:00,120 --> 02:42:00,640
Speaker 21: Had more time.

2897
02:42:02,320 --> 02:42:07,080
Speaker 6: Let's pour one out for Freddy DJ no screen time.

2898
02:42:08,120 --> 02:42:11,560
Speaker 3: So mister Rock said that Turning Play was having trouble

2899
02:42:11,640 --> 02:42:13,440
Speaker 3: lining up the audio with the visuals, in part because

2900
02:42:13,480 --> 02:42:17,000
Speaker 3: the song is actually performed vocally by two people going

2901
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:19,960
Speaker 3: back and forth. Wow and Turning Point did not have

2902
02:42:20,040 --> 02:42:22,280
Speaker 3: a camera on the other vocalist. So that's why it

2903
02:42:22,360 --> 02:42:26,920
Speaker 3: looks weird when there's obviously vocals being heard, but mister

2904
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:28,040
Speaker 3: Rock isn't singing.

2905
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:30,000
Speaker 11: And again, the.

2906
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:32,600
Speaker 2: Reason why no one at Turning Point is familiar with

2907
02:42:32,720 --> 02:42:36,359
Speaker 2: Kid Rocks music. Is that even they don't like Kid Rocks.

2908
02:42:36,160 --> 02:42:40,560
Speaker 3: Music, and mister Rock demonstrated how this is supposed to

2909
02:42:40,760 --> 02:42:45,120
Speaker 3: go in this video with with his DJ which we

2910
02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:47,840
Speaker 3: do need to see thirty seconds up.

2911
02:42:48,280 --> 02:42:51,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, Oh oh thanks scare care I love you

2912
02:42:51,959 --> 02:42:55,640
Speaker 2: so much. No, I'm sorry, Sophie. We need to have

2913
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:58,800
Speaker 2: a conversation about this. This is in violation of several

2914
02:42:58,879 --> 02:43:01,440
Speaker 2: rules the company has that I just want to call

2915
02:43:01,480 --> 02:43:04,080
Speaker 2: out the fact that there is a pike behind them.

2916
02:43:04,920 --> 02:43:08,000
Speaker 2: Do you mean the fish that has been to Dermid Yeah,

2917
02:43:08,760 --> 02:43:11,160
Speaker 2: not what you normally expect. I would have expected the

2918
02:43:11,200 --> 02:43:12,600
Speaker 2: other kind of pike behind Garrett.

2919
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:16,120
Speaker 3: No, that seems like mister Rock's abode. Actually, this feels

2920
02:43:16,280 --> 02:43:17,280
Speaker 3: very on brand for him.

2921
02:43:17,640 --> 02:43:18,360
Speaker 4: Is that a drone?

2922
02:43:18,959 --> 02:43:21,879
Speaker 3: No, that's that's a It's a deer antler turned into

2923
02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:22,600
Speaker 3: a candlestick.

2924
02:43:22,680 --> 02:43:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like a turned into a candlestick.

2925
02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:28,640
Speaker 5: Classy Okay maybe, although.

2926
02:43:27,800 --> 02:43:29,520
Speaker 2: From a distance it does kind of look like a

2927
02:43:29,560 --> 02:43:31,440
Speaker 2: bad three D printing of Deep Space nine.

2928
02:43:31,720 --> 02:43:34,920
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's Hookers, all Tricken, Mountain, holly Wood, It's one

2929
02:43:35,120 --> 02:43:37,160
Speaker 20: hoods of the world, miss understood.

2930
02:43:37,240 --> 02:43:39,720
Speaker 21: It's all good, it's all in fun.

2931
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:52,680
Speaker 5: Oh damn, I'm not having a physical reaction. I've cringed

2932
02:43:52,760 --> 02:43:54,680
Speaker 5: with every muscle in my body.

2933
02:43:55,920 --> 02:43:57,480
Speaker 3: Here's how he explained how it's supposed to go.

2934
02:43:58,400 --> 02:44:00,200
Speaker 20: So he's stilling, you know those words for me? Why

2935
02:44:00,200 --> 02:44:03,840
Speaker 20: I can boom bang my head keep going and carrying on.

2936
02:44:04,240 --> 02:44:05,640
Speaker 20: Now when I'm doing that, you see me. I'm on

2937
02:44:05,800 --> 02:44:07,520
Speaker 20: over the stage. Who I'm flipping the mic?

2938
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:10,960
Speaker 21: I'm down here, I'm over here, back boom. I know

2939
02:44:11,080 --> 02:44:13,440
Speaker 21: these guys at a difficult time getting that scene together.

2940
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:16,560
Speaker 20: So I have nothing but good things to say, not

2941
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:19,360
Speaker 20: only about Turning Point, but the production team that they

2942
02:44:19,440 --> 02:44:21,240
Speaker 20: work with on this and other events.

2943
02:44:22,600 --> 02:44:25,040
Speaker 6: My favorite part about live music is when you post

2944
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:28,640
Speaker 6: a over four minute flip video explaining.

2945
02:44:28,280 --> 02:44:31,440
Speaker 7: How fifty second video about how it.

2946
02:44:31,480 --> 02:44:35,120
Speaker 6: Was supposed to go and explaining to people things that

2947
02:44:35,240 --> 02:44:36,320
Speaker 6: don't actually exist.

2948
02:44:36,959 --> 02:44:39,480
Speaker 3: No, his whole delivery sounds like good Tim Robinson bit.

2949
02:44:39,560 --> 02:44:42,240
Speaker 3: It's it's it's so beautiful, incredible. The Bad Bunny Hat

2950
02:44:42,280 --> 02:44:44,840
Speaker 3: Times show averaged one hundred and thirty five point four

2951
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:48,200
Speaker 3: million viewers during the show's time slot, and Half Music

2952
02:44:48,240 --> 02:44:51,120
Speaker 3: claims it's now the most watched show in Super Bowl history.

2953
02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:55,480
Speaker 3: Me andwhile tpusa's show attracted upwards of six point one

2954
02:44:55,560 --> 02:44:59,560
Speaker 3: million concurrent live viewers on Turning Point USA's YouTube channel,

2955
02:45:00,040 --> 02:45:02,400
Speaker 3: Dude to licensing restrictions, Turning Point was unable to stream

2956
02:45:02,440 --> 02:45:05,279
Speaker 3: the show on x Everything app as they originally planned.

2957
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:07,519
Speaker 1: Which got announced like an hour before.

2958
02:45:07,400 --> 02:45:07,959
Speaker 11: Right before.

2959
02:45:08,200 --> 02:45:10,080
Speaker 5: But that's probably why they didn't hit one hundred and

2960
02:45:10,120 --> 02:45:12,280
Speaker 5: thirty five million, because one hundred and twenty nine of

2961
02:45:12,320 --> 02:45:12,920
Speaker 5: them were waiting.

2962
02:45:13,160 --> 02:45:14,400
Speaker 11: Otherwise they would have got it.

2963
02:45:14,600 --> 02:45:15,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

2964
02:45:15,800 --> 02:45:18,440
Speaker 3: The All American Halftime Show now boasts twenty three million

2965
02:45:18,480 --> 02:45:21,840
Speaker 3: views on their YouTube and Rumble pages combined. The Bad

2966
02:45:21,879 --> 02:45:24,080
Speaker 3: Bunny Show is seventy million. A lot of these views

2967
02:45:24,120 --> 02:45:27,680
Speaker 3: are also people like me and other other researchers. Yeah

2968
02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:30,280
Speaker 3: for sure, and it gives me curious Americans who are

2969
02:45:30,840 --> 02:45:32,800
Speaker 3: who are interested in what they had to throw together.

2970
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:36,040
Speaker 3: But a footage from inside Trump's Super Bowl party shows

2971
02:45:36,080 --> 02:45:38,640
Speaker 3: that even he did not turn into the All American

2972
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:47,000
Speaker 3: halftime shown me Mimo comfio. Now it's time for you

2973
02:45:47,200 --> 02:46:02,480
Speaker 3: to tune into these ads. Shall we do the real

2974
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:03,000
Speaker 3: news now?

2975
02:46:05,000 --> 02:46:06,560
Speaker 5: Sure? So.

2976
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:10,720
Speaker 2: On a Monday, February ninth, twenty twenty six, about three

2977
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:13,400
Speaker 2: days before we recorded this, there was a student led

2978
02:46:13,480 --> 02:46:18,000
Speaker 2: walkout protesting federal immigration arrests and protesting in large part

2979
02:46:18,120 --> 02:46:22,879
Speaker 2: last year's massive ice actions in Chicago, and students from

2980
02:46:22,959 --> 02:46:26,720
Speaker 2: a number of different high schools walked out. This included

2981
02:46:26,840 --> 02:46:30,560
Speaker 2: students from East Aurora High School, where there was a

2982
02:46:30,760 --> 02:46:34,560
Speaker 2: notable clash. Is the word or skirmish is the word?

2983
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:34,680
Speaker 5: Like?

2984
02:46:34,760 --> 02:46:37,600
Speaker 2: Skirmish is what Shaw Local News described it as between

2985
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:41,040
Speaker 2: protesters and police. There's video, and at least from the

2986
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:43,560
Speaker 2: limited clip of video we have, I wouldn't call it

2987
02:46:43,640 --> 02:46:45,800
Speaker 2: a skirmish. I would call it police getting pissed and

2988
02:46:45,800 --> 02:46:48,400
Speaker 2: assaulting some kids. But we don't see the rest of

2989
02:46:48,440 --> 02:46:50,120
Speaker 2: the interaction. This is apparently something that went on for

2990
02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:52,160
Speaker 2: a couple of hours, so I don't know what led

2991
02:46:52,320 --> 02:46:55,200
Speaker 2: up to this. I can tell you the video shows

2992
02:46:55,280 --> 02:46:58,120
Speaker 2: what looks like some high school kids walking in kind

2993
02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:00,600
Speaker 2: of a line outside of their high school. There's some

2994
02:47:00,680 --> 02:47:03,280
Speaker 2: police by. The police are clearly talking to or maybe

2995
02:47:03,360 --> 02:47:05,800
Speaker 2: yelling at, one of the kids, and then as the

2996
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:09,160
Speaker 2: video comes in, an officer just charges in and tackles

2997
02:47:09,480 --> 02:47:13,880
Speaker 2: hard like a running tackle, a teenage boy, like a

2998
02:47:14,080 --> 02:47:17,720
Speaker 2: child smaller than him, which leads to several other police

2999
02:47:17,720 --> 02:47:21,680
Speaker 2: officers grabbing kids. At least one student punches a police

3000
02:47:21,720 --> 02:47:24,480
Speaker 2: officer in the head while the officer is on top

3001
02:47:24,560 --> 02:47:27,920
Speaker 2: of his friend beating his friend. The police only responded

3002
02:47:27,959 --> 02:47:29,560
Speaker 2: by saying, like, look, you know, we had to act.

3003
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:32,600
Speaker 2: A student punched a police officer. From the Shaw Local article,

3004
02:47:32,600 --> 02:47:34,360
Speaker 2: the police department said the officer who was punched was

3005
02:47:34,360 --> 02:47:37,240
Speaker 2: transported to a local hospital for medical attention for his injuries.

3006
02:47:37,560 --> 02:47:40,400
Speaker 2: They don't show he and his colleagues like literally tackling

3007
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:44,080
Speaker 2: kids first, yeh, before they get hit. If somebody tackles

3008
02:47:44,160 --> 02:47:46,680
Speaker 2: my friend next to me, I might start punching. That's

3009
02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:47,280
Speaker 2: just life.

3010
02:47:47,560 --> 02:47:48,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, And.

3011
02:47:49,879 --> 02:47:52,720
Speaker 2: This is kind of an ongoing story at the moment.

3012
02:47:52,800 --> 02:47:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't know like what's going to wind up being

3013
02:47:56,120 --> 02:47:59,439
Speaker 2: the result of this, but it inspired, at least initially

3014
02:48:00,560 --> 02:48:03,280
Speaker 2: a lot of anger and there have been further protests

3015
02:48:03,280 --> 02:48:06,600
Speaker 2: as a result of the police violence. Students in the

3016
02:48:06,760 --> 02:48:09,800
Speaker 2: area are now demanding the resignation of the police chief

3017
02:48:09,879 --> 02:48:14,440
Speaker 2: in East Aurora. The police have not really like acknowledged

3018
02:48:14,600 --> 02:48:16,879
Speaker 2: those demands yet. I don't know if this is going

3019
02:48:16,920 --> 02:48:19,560
Speaker 2: to turn into like a larger protest movement. There's some

3020
02:48:19,920 --> 02:48:22,520
Speaker 2: signs that maybe it will, that there may be further walkouts,

3021
02:48:22,560 --> 02:48:25,240
Speaker 2: specifically as a result of the police violence. But this

3022
02:48:25,400 --> 02:48:28,720
Speaker 2: is a situation we will be watching obviously seeing police

3023
02:48:29,480 --> 02:48:33,600
Speaker 2: violently beating kids for you know, speaking for doing the

3024
02:48:33,640 --> 02:48:35,120
Speaker 2: thing they should be doing at high school, which is

3025
02:48:35,160 --> 02:48:38,720
Speaker 2: experimenting with believing things and taking stands. Yeah, so we'll

3026
02:48:38,760 --> 02:48:41,720
Speaker 2: be watching this to see kind of what results next.

3027
02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:43,920
Speaker 2: But that's that's sort of where we are at the moment.

3028
02:48:44,240 --> 02:48:46,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, that video, it's pretty brutal. Let's talk a little

3029
02:48:46,959 --> 02:48:50,280
Speaker 5: bit more about some immigration stuff. Let's start with uh,

3030
02:48:50,400 --> 02:48:54,120
Speaker 5: let's start with police in shall we? I have reviewed

3031
02:48:54,120 --> 02:48:56,960
Speaker 5: the police report for the ice officer who in late

3032
02:48:57,040 --> 02:49:01,119
Speaker 5: January negligently discharged he's issued handgun in a hotel room.

3033
02:49:01,680 --> 02:49:07,080
Speaker 5: Bradley's shaver was attempting to fix a backstrap from his glock.

3034
02:49:08,280 --> 02:49:11,160
Speaker 5: I'll quote the report here quote with his back facing

3035
02:49:11,240 --> 02:49:14,199
Speaker 5: Room three twenty, and the firearm pointed in the area

3036
02:49:14,240 --> 02:49:17,280
Speaker 5: of Bradley's torso he attempted to remove the backstrap that

3037
02:49:17,400 --> 02:49:19,440
Speaker 5: was currently on the firearm while it was still loaded.

3038
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:23,840
Speaker 5: At some point, the firearm discharged. Luckily, the occupant of

3039
02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:26,480
Speaker 5: that room had just checked into the hotel and was

3040
02:49:26,600 --> 02:49:29,600
Speaker 5: walking to their room when the shot was fired, so

3041
02:49:30,040 --> 02:49:33,119
Speaker 5: there was no one injured. I will quote again from

3042
02:49:33,120 --> 02:49:36,879
Speaker 5: the report. Initially, the agent thought the gunshot came from

3043
02:49:36,920 --> 02:49:40,320
Speaker 5: somewhere else, and he yelled shots fired, and then told

3044
02:49:40,400 --> 02:49:42,680
Speaker 5: his wife he had to go and hang up. Shaper

3045
02:49:42,760 --> 02:49:44,560
Speaker 5: then felt heat on the left side of his body,

3046
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:46,720
Speaker 5: looked down and saw the damage to his shirt and

3047
02:49:46,840 --> 02:49:50,240
Speaker 5: realized the shot had come from his own weapon. He

3048
02:49:50,320 --> 02:49:52,879
Speaker 5: said the round went through his sweatshirt and the shirt underneath,

3049
02:49:52,920 --> 02:49:55,440
Speaker 5: but did not penetrate his under armed compression layer or

3050
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:58,680
Speaker 5: injure him. It seems like this person was attending to

3051
02:49:58,840 --> 02:50:05,000
Speaker 5: repair or remove apart from his gun that was still loaded,

3052
02:50:05,360 --> 02:50:08,280
Speaker 5: and he didn't think to unload the gun.

3053
02:50:08,840 --> 02:50:11,760
Speaker 2: All of this is stuff you shouldn't do, right. Yeah,

3054
02:50:12,280 --> 02:50:16,120
Speaker 2: you have to check before you do stuff to a

3055
02:50:16,200 --> 02:50:19,320
Speaker 2: gun to make sure it's unloaded. And even when you've

3056
02:50:19,440 --> 02:50:21,720
Speaker 2: checked to make sure it's unloaded, you should still act

3057
02:50:21,879 --> 02:50:24,840
Speaker 2: like it's loaded and do stuff like not have your

3058
02:50:24,879 --> 02:50:27,120
Speaker 2: finger on the trigger and make sure it's clear of

3059
02:50:27,240 --> 02:50:29,880
Speaker 2: a holster so that there's nothing that like, especially like

3060
02:50:29,920 --> 02:50:32,000
Speaker 2: a leather holster, or maybe stuff could get bowed in

3061
02:50:32,160 --> 02:50:34,320
Speaker 2: and pull the trigger. You just don't do any of

3062
02:50:34,360 --> 02:50:37,400
Speaker 2: the things he was doing with a gun, especially if

3063
02:50:37,440 --> 02:50:40,160
Speaker 2: you're a cop. But also you do all the things

3064
02:50:40,200 --> 02:50:41,680
Speaker 2: he did with a gun if you're a cop, because

3065
02:50:41,720 --> 02:50:42,880
Speaker 2: this happens regularly.

3066
02:50:43,400 --> 02:50:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, this case a thirty year veteran who had just

3067
02:50:47,120 --> 02:50:50,200
Speaker 5: returned after two years of retirement. I want to talk

3068
02:50:50,240 --> 02:50:53,320
Speaker 5: a little bit now about Liam Conejo Ramos. This is

3069
02:50:53,520 --> 02:50:56,280
Speaker 5: the five year old who was detained in Minneapolis last month.

3070
02:50:56,720 --> 02:50:59,600
Speaker 5: People will remember seeing images of him in like a

3071
02:50:59,720 --> 02:51:03,720
Speaker 5: blue bunny hat. Liam and his father were detained on

3072
02:51:03,760 --> 02:51:07,520
Speaker 5: the twentieth of January in his driveway after returning from school.

3073
02:51:08,720 --> 02:51:12,160
Speaker 5: They were order released by Judge Fred Berry, who wrote

3074
02:51:12,200 --> 02:51:15,160
Speaker 5: in his order quote, observing human behavior confirms that for

3075
02:51:15,240 --> 02:51:18,560
Speaker 5: some among us, the perfidious lust for unbridled power and

3076
02:51:18,640 --> 02:51:21,600
Speaker 5: the imposition of cruelty in its quest know no bounds

3077
02:51:21,720 --> 02:51:24,720
Speaker 5: and are bereft of human decency, and the rule of

3078
02:51:24,840 --> 02:51:28,119
Speaker 5: law be damned. You could tell the judge was incredibly

3079
02:51:28,160 --> 02:51:29,800
Speaker 5: pissed off at the government. Now put it that way.

3080
02:51:30,440 --> 02:51:34,359
Speaker 5: DHS then attempted to expedite the removal of Conejo Ramos

3081
02:51:34,400 --> 02:51:38,080
Speaker 5: and his family that the family were granted a continuance

3082
02:51:38,200 --> 02:51:41,840
Speaker 5: by his judge. Liam and his father His father is

3083
02:51:41,920 --> 02:51:45,760
Speaker 5: Adlian and Cornehio Adias or adiyas I've seen like various

3084
02:51:46,480 --> 02:51:50,840
Speaker 5: permutations of his father's name. I think perhaps because some

3085
02:51:50,959 --> 02:51:54,640
Speaker 5: people doing reporting are not familiar with how last names

3086
02:51:54,680 --> 02:51:58,400
Speaker 5: are generally configured in the Spanish speaking world, so I'm

3087
02:51:58,400 --> 02:52:00,200
Speaker 5: not quite sure how his last name is pronounced. But

3088
02:52:01,000 --> 02:52:04,039
Speaker 5: Liam and his father entered in December of twenty twenty

3089
02:52:04,360 --> 02:52:08,520
Speaker 5: four when they were detained, they were detained at Dilly.

3090
02:52:08,959 --> 02:52:13,560
Speaker 5: Dilly is a detention center for families, right. It is

3091
02:52:13,760 --> 02:52:16,280
Speaker 5: a place that I have reported on before. In my

3092
02:52:16,600 --> 02:52:20,160
Speaker 5: Dardian follow up series, I spoke about Primrose and Kimberly,

3093
02:52:20,200 --> 02:52:23,320
Speaker 5: who were both detained at Dilly, and they went into

3094
02:52:23,400 --> 02:52:26,680
Speaker 5: some detail about the conditions there. I'm glad to see

3095
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:30,640
Speaker 5: that Dilly is getting more attention in sort of bigger,

3096
02:52:31,000 --> 02:52:32,360
Speaker 5: more legacy media outlets.

3097
02:52:32,440 --> 02:52:32,560
Speaker 10: Now.

3098
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:36,440
Speaker 5: I also saw that there was a protest at Dilly,

3099
02:52:36,760 --> 02:52:39,480
Speaker 5: seemingly while Liam was there. And we can see this

3100
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:41,800
Speaker 5: because of drone footage of people walking out of the

3101
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:46,199
Speaker 5: buildings and assembling in sort of spaces in between the buildings,

3102
02:52:46,440 --> 02:52:49,520
Speaker 5: and they can be heard chanting in some of that footage. Now,

3103
02:52:49,600 --> 02:52:52,720
Speaker 5: when to move on to something I've seen DHS doing recently,

3104
02:52:52,800 --> 02:52:56,760
Speaker 5: which is they're trying to push back against the evidence

3105
02:52:56,920 --> 02:53:00,560
Speaker 5: that they are using schools and children a bait to

3106
02:53:00,640 --> 02:53:01,800
Speaker 5: detain non citizens.

3107
02:53:01,879 --> 02:53:02,000
Speaker 18: Right.

3108
02:53:02,440 --> 02:53:05,600
Speaker 5: I just spoke about how Liam was detained. Right. It

3109
02:53:05,720 --> 02:53:08,439
Speaker 5: was the fact that he was at school that allowed

3110
02:53:08,520 --> 02:53:12,680
Speaker 5: those agents to target his father. Right. I believe they

3111
02:53:12,800 --> 02:53:15,119
Speaker 5: got Liam to knock on the door and his dad

3112
02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:18,120
Speaker 5: came out, which obviously was part of the reason that

3113
02:53:18,320 --> 02:53:22,400
Speaker 5: this particular intens was so controversial. DHS, in a post

3114
02:53:22,480 --> 02:53:26,200
Speaker 5: on x said, quote, Ice is not going to schools

3115
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:30,280
Speaker 5: to arrest children. A dangerous illegal alien, felon fleeing into

3116
02:53:30,360 --> 02:53:32,760
Speaker 5: a school, or a child sex offender working as an

3117
02:53:32,760 --> 02:53:36,240
Speaker 5: employee may create a situation where an arrest is made.

3118
02:53:36,280 --> 02:53:39,720
Speaker 5: To protect public safety, criminals are no longer able to

3119
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:43,880
Speaker 5: hide in America's schools to avoid arrest. Potus Trump and

3120
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:48,000
Speaker 5: Secretary Known trust a brave law enforcement to use common sense.

3121
02:53:48,080 --> 02:53:50,600
Speaker 5: We will not tie the hands of law enforcement officers.

3122
02:53:50,959 --> 02:53:55,039
Speaker 5: They must be allowed to protect children from public safety threats. Obviously,

3123
02:53:55,480 --> 02:53:59,840
Speaker 5: if someone is a sex offender, they can't work at

3124
02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:03,440
Speaker 5: a school. Right. That's that's the top background checks work.

3125
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:07,800
Speaker 5: The DHS tweet includes a screenshot of a Houston Chronicle

3126
02:54:07,920 --> 02:54:12,120
Speaker 5: article which details how HISD has lost four thousand students

3127
02:54:12,760 --> 02:54:14,920
Speaker 5: due to the ICE crackdown. Right, this is students who

3128
02:54:14,959 --> 02:54:17,480
Speaker 5: are for the most part, afraid to come to school,

3129
02:54:18,080 --> 02:54:20,560
Speaker 5: and they've seen a twenty two percent decline in migrant

3130
02:54:20,600 --> 02:54:24,000
Speaker 5: student enrollment. Obviously, I just want to note that ICE

3131
02:54:24,120 --> 02:54:28,160
Speaker 5: has detained parents outside schools and a notal inncedent. Last year,

3132
02:54:28,520 --> 02:54:33,720
Speaker 5: they dessained a fifteen year old disabled boy in Los Angeles. Finally,

3133
02:54:34,520 --> 02:54:37,680
Speaker 5: from me, I want to talk about legislation that is

3134
02:54:37,720 --> 02:54:41,480
Speaker 5: being proposed in the state of Washington. To the State

3135
02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:46,640
Speaker 5: of Washington's House Builds two three two one proposes legislation

3136
02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:49,879
Speaker 5: that focuses on what it calls blocking features that must

3137
02:54:49,920 --> 02:54:52,320
Speaker 5: be integrated into three D printers to prevent their use

3138
02:54:52,360 --> 02:54:57,800
Speaker 5: in creating firearms. Blocking features are quoting here a software

3139
02:54:57,879 --> 02:55:03,280
Speaker 5: controls process that deploys a firearms blueprint detection algorithm such

3140
02:55:03,480 --> 02:55:08,000
Speaker 5: that those features identify and reject print requests for firearms

3141
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:10,640
Speaker 5: or at legal firearm path with a high degree of

3142
02:55:10,680 --> 02:55:14,560
Speaker 5: reliability and cannot be overridden or otherwise defeated by a

3143
02:55:14,720 --> 02:55:19,800
Speaker 5: user with significant technical skill. What this would effectively do

3144
02:55:20,600 --> 02:55:23,560
Speaker 5: is either prevent the sale of three D printers in

3145
02:55:24,080 --> 02:55:29,320
Speaker 5: Washington state or install state level spyware onto three D printers,

3146
02:55:29,320 --> 02:55:31,320
Speaker 5: which would obviously be able to be used for things

3147
02:55:31,360 --> 02:55:35,720
Speaker 5: far beyond firearms. And people have notably been three D

3148
02:55:35,800 --> 02:55:38,360
Speaker 5: printing whistles a great deal in Minneapolis right there. So

3149
02:55:38,360 --> 02:55:40,560
Speaker 5: there's been lots of coverage of this. I think it

3150
02:55:40,600 --> 02:55:43,320
Speaker 5: would be very naive for people to think that this

3151
02:55:43,440 --> 02:55:47,600
Speaker 5: would start and end with the creation of unregistered firearms.

3152
02:55:48,320 --> 02:55:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, now they'll they'll go, I mean, they'll doff like

3153
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:54,080
Speaker 2: tread to enforce games workshops, copy rights and stop it

3154
02:55:54,160 --> 02:55:57,279
Speaker 2: for rent models or whatever, exactly right, Like, it opens

3155
02:55:57,320 --> 02:56:00,000
Speaker 2: a whole world of IP enforcement in three D print

3156
02:56:00,680 --> 02:56:02,240
Speaker 2: it more or less ends.

3157
02:56:02,440 --> 02:56:04,480
Speaker 5: The thing that I find beautiful about three D printing

3158
02:56:04,720 --> 02:56:06,760
Speaker 5: is not that like I can make little plastic things

3159
02:56:06,800 --> 02:56:09,800
Speaker 5: in my office. It's that it shows me that people

3160
02:56:09,879 --> 02:56:12,760
Speaker 5: will choose to create beautiful and innovative things even when

3161
02:56:12,800 --> 02:56:15,880
Speaker 5: there is not a profit incentive for doing so. Yes,

3162
02:56:16,720 --> 02:56:19,560
Speaker 5: And here's the thing, it would be a different discussion

3163
02:56:20,000 --> 02:56:21,880
Speaker 5: if this were a country, We're the only way to

3164
02:56:21,920 --> 02:56:23,600
Speaker 5: get a gun was to three D print it.

3165
02:56:23,840 --> 02:56:24,320
Speaker 2: But it's not.

3166
02:56:26,560 --> 02:56:28,720
Speaker 5: Yes, in Washington State, right, you do not have to

3167
02:56:28,800 --> 02:56:30,720
Speaker 5: drive that far from Washington State, to a state where

3168
02:56:30,720 --> 02:56:33,760
Speaker 5: it'ld be perfectly legal to do a private party transfer

3169
02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:35,520
Speaker 5: in the Walmart parking lot.

3170
02:56:35,920 --> 02:56:36,160
Speaker 4: Yep.

3171
02:56:36,400 --> 02:56:39,840
Speaker 2: And also it's there's just a lot of guns in Washington, Yeah,

3172
02:56:40,040 --> 02:56:43,360
Speaker 2: like there are in Oregon, like there is everywhere in

3173
02:56:43,480 --> 02:56:47,160
Speaker 2: the country. And to the extent that three D printed

3174
02:56:47,200 --> 02:56:50,480
Speaker 2: firearms are used for crime, they tend to be used

3175
02:56:50,600 --> 02:56:54,160
Speaker 2: like specifically in gang crime, where if the three D

3176
02:56:54,320 --> 02:56:58,640
Speaker 2: printed gun isn't available, the professional criminals will access a

3177
02:56:58,760 --> 02:57:04,360
Speaker 2: separate gun. Americans are not overwhelmingly using three D printed

3178
02:57:04,440 --> 02:57:07,800
Speaker 2: firearms to shoot up schools. They're using perfectly normally purchased

3179
02:57:07,840 --> 02:57:09,280
Speaker 2: firearms to shoot up schools.

3180
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:12,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what we do because this country is full

3181
02:57:12,480 --> 02:57:16,720
Speaker 5: of guns. The state of California is also pursuing a

3182
02:57:16,879 --> 02:57:22,560
Speaker 5: case against three D printed firearms code hosting websites. California

3183
02:57:22,600 --> 02:57:25,880
Speaker 5: passing extremely broad law last year that prohibits the hosting, distribution,

3184
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:30,120
Speaker 5: and promotion of the quote unlawful manufacturer of firearms. This

3185
02:57:30,320 --> 02:57:34,000
Speaker 5: has significant repercussions for the First Amendment right, Like, the

3186
02:57:34,120 --> 02:57:36,840
Speaker 5: code itself is not a tangible thing, it's not a gun.

3187
02:57:37,480 --> 02:57:40,160
Speaker 5: It is speech. But in this case, it is the

3188
02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:43,600
Speaker 5: instruction to allow the machine to create gun right. It

3189
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:46,760
Speaker 5: appears that there are over one hundred other people indicted

3190
02:57:46,800 --> 02:57:49,400
Speaker 5: in this case, and guessing that those are probably the

3191
02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:54,240
Speaker 5: designers who posted their STLs for firearms on the gatalogue.

3192
02:57:54,520 --> 02:57:58,520
Speaker 2: I think that the evidence also suggests that's unlikely to

3193
02:57:58,600 --> 02:58:01,720
Speaker 2: hold up in court because, like, right now, there's a

3194
02:58:01,840 --> 02:58:06,000
Speaker 2: case over the Kansas laws that are mandating, like you

3195
02:58:06,160 --> 02:58:09,880
Speaker 2: have age, basically restrictions on websites and the like, and

3196
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:11,600
Speaker 2: there were laws. There was a lawsuit from like a

3197
02:58:11,680 --> 02:58:14,520
Speaker 2: mom who alleged that despite this, her kid was able

3198
02:58:14,560 --> 02:58:17,040
Speaker 2: to access a website that was located out of the

3199
02:58:17,120 --> 02:58:18,880
Speaker 2: state because it didn't have any of these restrictions, and

3200
02:58:18,920 --> 02:58:21,680
Speaker 2: the judge in Kansas ruled, like, well, our law doesn't

3201
02:58:21,760 --> 02:58:24,240
Speaker 2: restrict people in other states. They don't have to have

3202
02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:28,240
Speaker 2: like this, Like that's just you can't actually enforce this. Yeah,

3203
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:31,240
Speaker 2: so we'll see how it goes in California. But yeah,

3204
02:58:31,879 --> 02:58:35,480
Speaker 2: California is suing for damages in this case. It's a

3205
02:58:35,600 --> 02:58:38,400
Speaker 2: civil case on a criminal one, sure, but still, I mean,

3206
02:58:38,440 --> 02:58:40,440
Speaker 2: there have been a lot of cases about three D

3207
02:58:40,520 --> 02:58:43,800
Speaker 2: printed guns and how they are covered under the under

3208
02:58:43,879 --> 02:58:46,680
Speaker 2: the First Amendment. So yeah, I'm going to keep an

3209
02:58:46,680 --> 02:58:49,600
Speaker 2: eye on this because I guess like there are attacks

3210
02:58:49,640 --> 02:58:52,600
Speaker 2: on the First Amendment from just about every angle right now,

3211
02:58:52,920 --> 02:58:54,960
Speaker 2: and I think we should pay attention to that.

3212
02:58:56,040 --> 02:58:59,160
Speaker 5: That is all I have. Shall we take a little

3213
02:58:59,200 --> 02:59:01,680
Speaker 5: break and then talk about pedophiles? Sure?

3214
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:04,320
Speaker 2: I love talking talking about pedophiles.

3215
02:59:04,600 --> 02:59:05,200
Speaker 5: That's what we do.

3216
02:59:06,040 --> 02:59:06,600
Speaker 9: I don't.

3217
02:59:19,280 --> 02:59:19,840
Speaker 11: We're back.

3218
02:59:20,600 --> 02:59:23,400
Speaker 2: This is another yet another episode of the Pedo Files.

3219
02:59:24,320 --> 02:59:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I volunteered to do this section.

3220
02:59:29,240 --> 02:59:32,960
Speaker 6: These are Epsteine updates as a two day which is Wednesday, Yeah,

3221
02:59:33,040 --> 02:59:34,120
Speaker 6: February eleventh.

3222
02:59:34,280 --> 02:59:35,600
Speaker 1: There were quite a few things.

3223
02:59:36,160 --> 02:59:39,039
Speaker 2: We just finished recording a four part around him for Bastards,

3224
02:59:39,080 --> 02:59:40,320
Speaker 2: and there's more new shit.

3225
02:59:40,720 --> 02:59:40,920
Speaker 10: Yeah.

3226
02:59:41,320 --> 02:59:42,600
Speaker 5: It just keeps kevin.

3227
02:59:44,400 --> 02:59:46,240
Speaker 1: It is endless, it really is.

3228
02:59:47,360 --> 02:59:49,720
Speaker 6: I want to start off which at the top of

3229
02:59:49,760 --> 02:59:53,720
Speaker 6: the week, Glene Maxwell was supposed to speak to the

3230
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:57,920
Speaker 6: House Oversight Committee, and she was called in for questioning

3231
02:59:58,240 --> 03:00:01,560
Speaker 6: and during a video call. Just so folks know, she

3232
03:00:01,720 --> 03:00:04,800
Speaker 6: is serving a twenty year sentence for sex trafficking and

3233
03:00:04,879 --> 03:00:08,879
Speaker 6: a federal prison camp in Texas, but she invoked her

3234
03:00:08,959 --> 03:00:11,360
Speaker 6: Fifth Amendment right to avoid answering questions that would be

3235
03:00:11,400 --> 03:00:12,199
Speaker 6: self incriminating.

3236
03:00:13,360 --> 03:00:18,320
Speaker 1: This was expected, but her lawyer's statement was interesting.

3237
03:00:18,040 --> 03:00:21,000
Speaker 6: So I'm going to read it to the audience now,

3238
03:00:21,280 --> 03:00:24,240
Speaker 6: Members of the Committee, on my advice, Glendne Maxwell respectfully

3239
03:00:24,320 --> 03:00:26,800
Speaker 6: invoke her Fifth Amendment right to silence and decline to

3240
03:00:26,840 --> 03:00:29,840
Speaker 6: answer your questions day. Even though she would very much

3241
03:00:29,959 --> 03:00:33,039
Speaker 6: like to answer your questions, she must remain silent because

3242
03:00:33,040 --> 03:00:36,320
Speaker 6: Miss Maxwell has a habeas petition clearly pending that demonstrates

3243
03:00:36,360 --> 03:00:40,160
Speaker 6: that her conviction rests on a fundamentally unfair trial. For example,

3244
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:42,760
Speaker 6: jurors lie during void Yer to secure seats on the jury,

3245
03:00:43,000 --> 03:00:46,000
Speaker 6: and the government promised immunity and then broke that promise.

3246
03:00:46,280 --> 03:00:50,040
Speaker 6: Lily Disco's documents now demonstrate these facts conclusively. If this

3247
03:00:50,160 --> 03:00:52,600
Speaker 6: committee in the American public truly want to hear the

3248
03:00:52,720 --> 03:00:56,160
Speaker 6: unfiltered truth about what happened, there is a straightforward path.

3249
03:00:56,760 --> 03:01:00,200
Speaker 6: Ms Maxwell is prepared to speak fully and honestly if

3250
03:01:00,280 --> 03:01:04,680
Speaker 6: granted clemency by President Trump. Sure only she can provide

3251
03:01:05,040 --> 03:01:08,440
Speaker 6: the complete account. Some may not like what they hear,

3252
03:01:08,760 --> 03:01:13,600
Speaker 6: but the truth matters. For example, both President Trump and

3253
03:01:13,760 --> 03:01:18,840
Speaker 6: President Clinton are innocent of any wrongdoing. Ms Maxwell alone

3254
03:01:19,400 --> 03:01:23,240
Speaker 6: and explain why, and the public is entitled to that explanation.

3255
03:01:24,240 --> 03:01:24,560
Speaker 6: Thank you.

3256
03:01:25,520 --> 03:01:28,320
Speaker 2: Look, I'll talk to Donald Trump if I can get

3257
03:01:28,320 --> 03:01:29,440
Speaker 2: immunity for some thanks.

3258
03:01:33,360 --> 03:01:36,119
Speaker 1: It's like, by the way, I would love to speak.

3259
03:01:36,080 --> 03:01:37,000
Speaker 5: Got I need immunity.

3260
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:41,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy that could grant me clemency. I can

3261
03:01:41,160 --> 03:01:41,760
Speaker 1: vouch for that.

3262
03:01:41,959 --> 03:01:45,760
Speaker 2: Guy that's the most doesn't commit crimes thing a person

3263
03:01:45,800 --> 03:01:46,720
Speaker 2: could possibly say.

3264
03:01:47,160 --> 03:01:47,480
Speaker 11: Wild.

3265
03:01:48,400 --> 03:01:51,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm moving on to another guy that was all

3266
03:01:51,560 --> 03:01:53,720
Speaker 6: over the Epstein files, Casey Wasserman.

3267
03:01:54,080 --> 03:01:57,039
Speaker 5: Casey wass Robert just said that like he knew. The guy.

3268
03:01:57,400 --> 03:01:59,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know. That's what I always call them.

3269
03:01:59,480 --> 03:02:03,360
Speaker 6: Was founder and CEO of Wasserman, which is a talent

3270
03:02:03,440 --> 03:02:07,560
Speaker 6: agency slash sports marketing agency. And the reason I'm bringing

3271
03:02:07,640 --> 03:02:10,120
Speaker 6: this up is for two reasons. There's two things I

3272
03:02:10,200 --> 03:02:12,480
Speaker 6: want to discuss here. The first one is that since

3273
03:02:12,520 --> 03:02:15,440
Speaker 6: this got announced, he's had major clients, major stars as

3274
03:02:15,480 --> 03:02:19,040
Speaker 6: well as athletes, say that's gross and I'm not going

3275
03:02:19,080 --> 03:02:19,959
Speaker 6: to work with you anymore.

3276
03:02:20,040 --> 03:02:22,640
Speaker 1: And I've left the agency, which is fucking cool, which

3277
03:02:22,720 --> 03:02:22,959
Speaker 1: is good.

3278
03:02:23,040 --> 03:02:24,680
Speaker 2: It's what you should do if you find out that

3279
03:02:24,760 --> 03:02:27,480
Speaker 2: you are working for someone in the Epstein files.

3280
03:02:27,959 --> 03:02:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody was specifically communicating consistently with Epstein after his conviction. Right,

3281
03:02:33,440 --> 03:02:37,560
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who are named in the files.

3282
03:02:37,360 --> 03:02:40,200
Speaker 2: A lot of random journalists whose articles got shared in

3283
03:02:40,240 --> 03:02:42,879
Speaker 2: the files or something that yes, yes, yeah, big.

3284
03:02:42,800 --> 03:02:47,440
Speaker 6: Name stars here, we're talking like Chapel Rowelron, you're so annoyed.

3285
03:02:48,600 --> 03:02:51,760
Speaker 6: So like Chapel Rone was probably the first big name

3286
03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:53,720
Speaker 6: to be like ew, I'm out.

3287
03:02:54,240 --> 03:02:54,440
Speaker 9: Yeah.

3288
03:02:54,800 --> 03:02:57,600
Speaker 6: And another big part of this is CAC Wasserman is

3289
03:02:57,760 --> 03:03:00,640
Speaker 6: leading the preparations for the twenty twenty eight Summer Olympic

3290
03:03:00,680 --> 03:03:03,520
Speaker 6: Games that are going to be located in Los Angeles

3291
03:03:03,760 --> 03:03:07,640
Speaker 6: and per Fox LA, the LA twenty twenty eight board

3292
03:03:07,720 --> 03:03:12,320
Speaker 6: officially supported chair Casey Wasserman and Wednesday, rejecting calls for

3293
03:03:12,400 --> 03:03:17,480
Speaker 6: his recognation following an independent misconduct review. While multiple LA

3294
03:03:17,640 --> 03:03:21,600
Speaker 6: elected officials demandity step down, the board sited his strong

3295
03:03:21,760 --> 03:03:25,040
Speaker 6: leadership and cooperations as reasons for his retention.

3296
03:03:25,600 --> 03:03:28,360
Speaker 3: Ew I can't believe the good name of the Olympics

3297
03:03:28,440 --> 03:03:29,879
Speaker 3: finally has a stain on its right now?

3298
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:31,800
Speaker 5: Right? Who would have thought?

3299
03:03:31,879 --> 03:03:35,080
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the Olympics being associated with a bad man?

3300
03:03:35,360 --> 03:03:37,080
Speaker 11: I love the Olympics? This sucks?

3301
03:03:37,640 --> 03:03:39,480
Speaker 3: How will I watch trampoline?

3302
03:03:40,040 --> 03:03:40,120
Speaker 19: Uh?

3303
03:03:40,240 --> 03:03:41,960
Speaker 2: Huh? What about Louge?

3304
03:03:42,480 --> 03:03:42,640
Speaker 4: Wait?

3305
03:03:42,760 --> 03:03:45,360
Speaker 5: No, that's only in the thing right now, that's already happening. Yeah,

3306
03:03:45,360 --> 03:03:46,160
Speaker 5: you can watch Louge.

3307
03:03:46,360 --> 03:03:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right. The one good sport, the Olympics,

3308
03:03:49,000 --> 03:03:50,440
Speaker 2: is already happening. So we're fine.

3309
03:03:50,760 --> 03:03:53,080
Speaker 5: We have to be clear on this. Luge has us

3310
03:03:53,160 --> 03:03:55,200
Speaker 5: no links to the Jeffrey Epstein files that we.

3311
03:03:55,280 --> 03:03:59,280
Speaker 3: Know of the Italian Louge Olympics, completely clean, no problems.

3312
03:03:59,440 --> 03:03:59,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3313
03:04:01,840 --> 03:04:03,760
Speaker 6: Now I want to move on to probably the biggest

3314
03:04:03,800 --> 03:04:08,720
Speaker 6: story of the week, which is Attorney General Pambondi took

3315
03:04:09,080 --> 03:04:13,120
Speaker 6: heated questions from lawmakers and a compatitive congressional hearing over

3316
03:04:13,200 --> 03:04:15,800
Speaker 6: the Justice Department's handling and the files related to Jeffrey

3317
03:04:15,840 --> 03:04:21,679
Speaker 6: Epstein that exposed sensitive private information about victims despite redaction efforts.

3318
03:04:21,480 --> 03:04:22,720
Speaker 7: Her the a P.

3319
03:04:23,600 --> 03:04:25,800
Speaker 11: She she frame mogged everyone at this hearing.

3320
03:04:26,480 --> 03:04:30,880
Speaker 6: In my opinion, this was the most outrageously unprofessional, shameful, centurable,

3321
03:04:30,920 --> 03:04:32,480
Speaker 6: and sickening congressional.

3322
03:04:32,080 --> 03:04:33,400
Speaker 1: Hearing in history.

3323
03:04:33,600 --> 03:04:37,880
Speaker 6: And she is a disgrace and disgusting And yeah, I

3324
03:04:37,920 --> 03:04:40,000
Speaker 6: want to get into a little bit of it. I

3325
03:04:40,080 --> 03:04:43,720
Speaker 6: want to start by playing a clip from Representative Raskin.

3326
03:04:43,879 --> 03:04:46,920
Speaker 6: He's the Democratic congressman from Maryland and he is the

3327
03:04:47,160 --> 03:04:51,800
Speaker 6: Democratic ranking House member of the Committee on the judiciary.

3328
03:04:52,080 --> 03:04:55,520
Speaker 22: You're running a massive Epstein cover up right out of

3329
03:04:55,560 --> 03:04:58,680
Speaker 22: the Department of Justice. You've been ordered by subpoena and

3330
03:04:58,800 --> 03:05:02,480
Speaker 22: by Congress to turn over six million documents, photographs, and

3331
03:05:02,600 --> 03:05:04,879
Speaker 22: videos in Epstein files.

3332
03:05:04,720 --> 03:05:06,680
Speaker 4: But you've turned over only three million.

3333
03:05:07,360 --> 03:05:09,640
Speaker 22: You say you're not turning over the other three million

3334
03:05:10,040 --> 03:05:13,400
Speaker 22: because they're somehow duplicative. But we know that there are

3335
03:05:13,560 --> 03:05:17,280
Speaker 22: actual memos of victim statements in the air. And you

3336
03:05:17,480 --> 03:05:21,600
Speaker 22: also took down the Department of Justice's prosecution memo from

3337
03:05:21,640 --> 03:05:25,240
Speaker 22: twenty nineteen, so it's clearly not all duplicative. But even

3338
03:05:25,280 --> 03:05:28,200
Speaker 22: if it were, why not release it? Just release all

3339
03:05:28,240 --> 03:05:32,120
Speaker 22: the duplicative stuff. In the half you did produce, you

3340
03:05:32,320 --> 03:05:37,640
Speaker 22: redacted the names of abusers, enablers, accomplices, and co conspirators,

3341
03:05:38,080 --> 03:05:42,080
Speaker 22: apparently to spare them embarrassment and disgrace, which is the

3342
03:05:42,160 --> 03:05:43,280
Speaker 22: exact opposite of.

3343
03:05:43,320 --> 03:05:44,880
Speaker 4: What the law ordered you to do.

3344
03:05:46,080 --> 03:05:50,920
Speaker 22: Even worse, you shockingly failed to redact many of the

3345
03:05:51,000 --> 03:05:53,680
Speaker 22: victim's names, which is what you were ordered to do

3346
03:05:53,800 --> 03:05:54,440
Speaker 22: by Congress.

3347
03:05:54,840 --> 03:05:57,800
Speaker 4: Some of the victims had come forward publicly, but many

3348
03:05:57,879 --> 03:05:58,040
Speaker 4: had not.

3349
03:05:58,240 --> 03:06:03,680
Speaker 22: Many had kept their torm private, even from family and friends,

3350
03:06:03,760 --> 03:06:10,680
Speaker 22: but you published their names, their identities, their images on

3351
03:06:11,000 --> 03:06:12,840
Speaker 22: thousands of pages for.

3352
03:06:12,920 --> 03:06:13,800
Speaker 4: The world to see.

3353
03:06:14,680 --> 03:06:17,080
Speaker 18: So you ignored the law, and even with over one

3354
03:06:17,200 --> 03:06:20,720
Speaker 18: hundred thousand employees at your disposal, you acted with some

3355
03:06:21,040 --> 03:06:28,360
Speaker 18: mixture of staggering incompetence, cold indifference, and jaded cruelty towards

3356
03:06:28,480 --> 03:06:29,359
Speaker 18: more than one.

3357
03:06:29,480 --> 03:06:33,040
Speaker 22: Thousand victims raped, abused, and trafficked.

3358
03:06:33,959 --> 03:06:35,720
Speaker 4: This performance screams cover up.

3359
03:06:36,840 --> 03:06:44,240
Speaker 6: I can't even begin to describe how vile and disgusting

3360
03:06:44,320 --> 03:06:47,760
Speaker 6: it is that they have doxed these survivors of Epstein

3361
03:06:48,040 --> 03:06:53,920
Speaker 6: without their consent. Yeah, it is traumatizing enough that they

3362
03:06:54,040 --> 03:06:58,480
Speaker 6: had to endure this. Now they've had what happened to

3363
03:06:58,560 --> 03:07:01,560
Speaker 6: them put on display, and now they are going to

3364
03:07:01,640 --> 03:07:06,400
Speaker 6: be targeted, and they have not had the ability to

3365
03:07:06,560 --> 03:07:11,120
Speaker 6: speak up if they wanted to on what happened. But

3366
03:07:11,280 --> 03:07:16,560
Speaker 6: the government, despite being told to not out these survivors,

3367
03:07:17,240 --> 03:07:23,200
Speaker 6: did it, but covered the names of the people that

3368
03:07:23,360 --> 03:07:28,160
Speaker 6: committed these crimes. It is unspeakably disgusting.

3369
03:07:29,000 --> 03:07:30,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, well I feel great.

3370
03:07:31,240 --> 03:07:36,279
Speaker 1: It's really upsetting. Yeah, it's really deeply disgusting and upsetting.

3371
03:07:36,280 --> 03:07:36,680
Speaker 2: Sure.

3372
03:07:37,280 --> 03:07:41,720
Speaker 6: I thought Ranking Member Raskin spoke very clearly here and

3373
03:07:41,800 --> 03:07:48,720
Speaker 6: I appreciated his statement. Yeah, moving on, Bondi's tactics during

3374
03:07:48,840 --> 03:07:52,320
Speaker 6: this were to deflect, deflect, deflect.

3375
03:07:52,640 --> 03:07:56,720
Speaker 1: There's a couple instances that I want to play play

3376
03:07:56,800 --> 03:07:57,240
Speaker 1: for everyone.

3377
03:07:57,360 --> 03:08:03,280
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, you could assign this to a class, and

3378
03:08:03,520 --> 03:08:08,480
Speaker 5: like if you're talking about every way that like the

3379
03:08:08,600 --> 03:08:13,080
Speaker 5: modern Republican Party tries to deflect culpability for anything negative.

3380
03:08:13,160 --> 03:08:15,080
Speaker 5: Like they all got deployed one after the.

3381
03:08:15,120 --> 03:08:15,520
Speaker 2: Other in this.

3382
03:08:16,720 --> 03:08:24,280
Speaker 6: So there were Epstein survivors in person, and Bondi wouldn't

3383
03:08:24,280 --> 03:08:26,440
Speaker 6: even look at them. I want to play a clip

3384
03:08:26,520 --> 03:08:30,120
Speaker 6: from when she's asked to address them here to.

3385
03:08:30,280 --> 03:08:34,600
Speaker 19: The survivors in the room, if you are willing, please stand,

3386
03:08:39,560 --> 03:08:42,920
Speaker 19: and if you are willing, please raise your hands. If

3387
03:08:43,000 --> 03:08:46,720
Speaker 19: you have still not been able to meet with this

3388
03:08:47,160 --> 03:08:52,920
Speaker 19: Department of Justice, please know for the record that every

3389
03:08:53,040 --> 03:09:00,480
Speaker 19: single survivor has raised their hand. Attorney General Bondi, you

3390
03:09:00,640 --> 03:09:04,160
Speaker 19: apologize to the survivors and your opening statement for what

3391
03:09:04,320 --> 03:09:06,720
Speaker 19: they went through at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein.

3392
03:09:07,560 --> 03:09:11,480
Speaker 7: Will you turn to them now and apologize for what.

3393
03:09:11,959 --> 03:09:16,240
Speaker 19: Your Department of Justice has put them through with the

3394
03:09:16,680 --> 03:09:24,640
Speaker 19: un absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information.

3395
03:09:30,720 --> 03:09:36,000
Speaker 7: Congresswoman, you set before Merrick Garland set in.

3396
03:09:36,040 --> 03:09:40,000
Speaker 23: This chair twice, Attorney General von I'm going to finish

3397
03:09:40,080 --> 03:09:40,560
Speaker 23: my answer.

3398
03:09:40,760 --> 03:09:43,440
Speaker 19: No, I'm going to reclaim my time because I asked

3399
03:09:43,480 --> 03:09:48,240
Speaker 19: you to generalific question that I would like question to answer,

3400
03:09:48,560 --> 03:09:51,880
Speaker 19: which is, will you turn to the survivors? This is

3401
03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:54,880
Speaker 19: not about anybody that came before you. It is about

3402
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:59,680
Speaker 19: you taking responsibility for your Department of Justice and the

3403
03:10:00,120 --> 03:10:03,039
Speaker 19: arm that it has done to the survivors who are

3404
03:10:03,200 --> 03:10:07,120
Speaker 19: standing right behind you and are waiting for you to

3405
03:10:07,320 --> 03:10:11,400
Speaker 19: turn to them and apologize for what your Department of Justices.

3406
03:10:11,480 --> 03:10:11,840
Speaker 4: Members.

3407
03:10:12,160 --> 03:10:14,080
Speaker 24: Members get to ask the questions, the witness get to

3408
03:10:14,120 --> 03:10:15,480
Speaker 24: answer in the way they want to answer.

3409
03:10:15,560 --> 03:10:19,320
Speaker 19: That that's not accurate, mister chairman, because she doesn't like

3410
03:10:19,400 --> 03:10:26,119
Speaker 19: the answer. So, mister Chairman, I have asked, She Astmaric Garland.

3411
03:10:25,760 --> 03:10:27,880
Speaker 4: This I am reclaiming.

3412
03:10:29,280 --> 03:10:33,959
Speaker 1: I will claim my time. Get in the gutter for her.

3413
03:10:34,080 --> 03:10:34,720
Speaker 7: Theatrics.

3414
03:10:34,879 --> 03:10:37,240
Speaker 24: The time belongs to the time belongs to the general lady.

3415
03:10:37,280 --> 03:10:38,760
Speaker 24: The general Lady has seventeen seconds.

3416
03:10:39,040 --> 03:10:39,320
Speaker 19: Thank you.

3417
03:10:40,440 --> 03:10:42,080
Speaker 1: You're not going to answer this question.

3418
03:10:42,280 --> 03:10:46,360
Speaker 19: So let me just chair, what a massive question?

3419
03:10:46,520 --> 03:10:47,560
Speaker 4: Will you restore her time?

3420
03:10:47,680 --> 03:10:49,840
Speaker 7: The witnesses, the rector the gout her with this woman,

3421
03:10:50,360 --> 03:10:51,920
Speaker 7: She's let me have.

3422
03:10:52,040 --> 03:10:55,000
Speaker 24: My General lady, the general lady from Washington controls the time.

3423
03:10:55,080 --> 03:10:57,600
Speaker 24: The General Lady has seventeen seconds, you can you can

3424
03:10:57,879 --> 03:10:59,440
Speaker 24: proceed with your final seventeen seconds.

3425
03:10:59,440 --> 03:11:01,680
Speaker 19: What a mass of cover up this has been and

3426
03:11:01,840 --> 03:11:05,240
Speaker 19: continues to be. Donald Trump may the release of the

3427
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Speaker 19: Epstein files the center of his political campaign because he

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Speaker 19: thought it would benefit him. Then you got into office,

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03:11:11,320 --> 03:11:14,360
Speaker 19: Attorney general, claim to have a client list on order,

3430
03:11:14,720 --> 03:11:19,400
Speaker 19: say that there was no list. Your deputy Todd met

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03:11:19,480 --> 03:11:25,560
Speaker 19: alone has expired to a minimum security prison.

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Speaker 11: And now you continue.

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Speaker 19: She would turn around to the survivors who are standing

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Speaker 19: right behind you, and on a human level, chairman.

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Speaker 24: Now recognizes the man, the gen You have no time

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03:11:42,600 --> 03:11:44,960
Speaker 24: to go back to appreciate the thought.

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Speaker 1: Despicable, disgusting.

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Speaker 6: She did not ever turn around and look at these

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03:11:53,680 --> 03:11:58,440
Speaker 6: survivors that are in the room. Later, she loses it

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03:11:58,560 --> 03:12:01,880
Speaker 6: again when asked why she hasn't indicated any of the

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03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:04,080
Speaker 6: Epstein clients in de flex by saying this.

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Speaker 23: The dow, the dow right now is over. The dow

3443
03:12:09,680 --> 03:12:12,640
Speaker 23: is over fifty thousand dollars. I don't know why you're laughing.

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03:12:12,720 --> 03:12:15,480
Speaker 23: You're a great stock trader. As I hear raskin. The

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03:12:15,680 --> 03:12:20,040
Speaker 23: Dow is over fifty thousand right now, the S and

3446
03:12:20,120 --> 03:12:25,800
Speaker 23: P at almost seven thousand, and the Nasdaq smashing records.

3447
03:12:26,040 --> 03:12:30,400
Speaker 23: Americans four oh one k's and retirement savings are booming.

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Speaker 23: That's what we should be talking about. We should be

3449
03:12:34,120 --> 03:12:38,440
Speaker 23: talking about making Americans safe. We should be talking about

3450
03:12:38,480 --> 03:12:40,400
Speaker 23: what does a Dow have to do with anything? That's

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Speaker 23: what they just ask, Are you kidding, mister Jordan?

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Speaker 1: Am I mister Jordan, No, it's not. You are here

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Speaker 1: for You are here talking. You are here for hearing

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Speaker 1: on the Epstein files.

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Speaker 6: You are the Attorney General of the United States, and

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03:12:56,200 --> 03:12:59,800
Speaker 6: you are a fucking piece of shit, fucking nightmare.

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Speaker 3: That's in response to a question about indicting Epstein clients. Yeah,

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03:13:04,400 --> 03:13:05,840
Speaker 3: she just starts talking with the stock market.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and only did you just start talking about it?

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03:13:08,800 --> 03:13:12,600
Speaker 5: She clearly came with her stats ready to talk about it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, because the message is it's fine that all this

3462
03:13:15,000 --> 03:13:16,880
Speaker 2: happened and the Trump was involved as long as the

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03:13:16,920 --> 03:13:19,560
Speaker 2: economy's good, right, people shouldn't be a complaint.

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Speaker 11: It's it's cartoon. It's cartoon behavior.

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03:13:22,400 --> 03:13:24,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like it's not a it's not even some kind

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03:13:24,720 --> 03:13:27,039
Speaker 5: of sophisticated route. So just going to look over there.

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03:13:27,560 --> 03:13:29,640
Speaker 3: This would be like in like a British like sketch

3468
03:13:29,760 --> 03:13:32,160
Speaker 3: comedy about the government in like the eighties, Like this

3469
03:13:32,360 --> 03:13:34,760
Speaker 3: is like, yeah, this is wild.

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Speaker 1: It's truly horrific.

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Speaker 6: And guess what I still have more to share. Here

3472
03:13:39,520 --> 03:13:43,680
Speaker 6: is an exchange and another attempt for her to deflect.

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03:13:43,760 --> 03:13:46,240
Speaker 6: She tries to bring up Merek Garland again. This is

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Speaker 6: with the congresswoman from Vermont.

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Speaker 23: Didn't ask Merrit Garland anything about Epstein, not once when

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Speaker 23: he was exhaust And also I want the record to

3477
03:13:55,440 --> 03:13:59,160
Speaker 23: reflect that, you know, with this anti Semitic culture right now,

3478
03:13:59,360 --> 03:14:02,720
Speaker 23: she voted against a resolution contempt condemning.

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03:14:03,080 --> 03:14:06,760
Speaker 1: Oh do you want to go there?

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Speaker 11: Attorney?

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03:14:08,160 --> 03:14:09,360
Speaker 1: Do you want to go there?

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03:14:10,080 --> 03:14:12,199
Speaker 24: Are you gentlemen talking.

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03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:16,039
Speaker 6: To a woman who lost her grandfather in the whole.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty disgusting.

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03:14:20,000 --> 03:14:21,279
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's crazy.

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03:14:21,560 --> 03:14:24,680
Speaker 1: She's like, ah, yes, how can I work in being

3487
03:14:24,800 --> 03:14:25,560
Speaker 1: pro Israel?

3488
03:14:26,240 --> 03:14:30,240
Speaker 5: Also again right, she clearly had like if this person speaks,

3489
03:14:30,320 --> 03:14:31,200
Speaker 5: this is what I will say.

3490
03:14:31,400 --> 03:14:35,240
Speaker 6: It's very clear she had a material list of like

3491
03:14:35,400 --> 03:14:38,000
Speaker 6: cheat sheet of this is how when this person speaks,

3492
03:14:38,080 --> 03:14:40,560
Speaker 6: this is my dirt on this person. When this person speaks,

3493
03:14:40,600 --> 03:14:42,560
Speaker 6: this is my dirt on this person. There are even

3494
03:14:42,640 --> 03:14:45,199
Speaker 6: photos of the dirt she has piled up on each person.

3495
03:14:45,440 --> 03:14:48,920
Speaker 6: She had a sheet of like people's search histories. Just

3496
03:14:49,400 --> 03:14:55,120
Speaker 6: unbelievable deflection, to say the least. I have one more

3497
03:14:55,160 --> 03:14:56,640
Speaker 6: clip I want to I want to display it, and

3498
03:14:56,680 --> 03:14:58,440
Speaker 6: then I'd like to talk about it a little bit more.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I want to discuss another man, Donald Trump, who

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03:15:01,800 --> 03:15:05,240
Speaker 16: was all over the Epstein files, like former Prince.

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Speaker 6: Here's the video and for reference, this is the very

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03:15:09,200 --> 03:15:11,720
Speaker 6: very popular video of Epstein and Trump.

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03:15:11,800 --> 03:15:13,760
Speaker 1: Worth Epstein wearing that then, I'm sure, and Trump in

3504
03:15:13,800 --> 03:15:14,320
Speaker 1: the pink tie.

3505
03:15:14,560 --> 03:15:17,520
Speaker 2: They're kind of like elbowing each other and talking about ladies.

3506
03:15:18,120 --> 03:15:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, laughing, laughing at a party.

3507
03:15:20,520 --> 03:15:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've seen it.

3508
03:15:21,760 --> 03:15:26,840
Speaker 16: Former Prince Andrew. Donald Trump attended various parties with Jeffrey Epstein.

3509
03:15:27,640 --> 03:15:31,120
Speaker 16: I want to know whether any underage girls at that

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03:15:31,280 --> 03:15:35,520
Speaker 16: party or at any party that Trump attended with Jeffrey Epstein.

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03:15:42,120 --> 03:15:45,160
Speaker 23: This is so ridiculous and that they are trying to

3512
03:15:46,280 --> 03:15:50,920
Speaker 23: deflect from all the great things Donald Trump has done.

3513
03:15:51,120 --> 03:15:54,440
Speaker 23: There is no evidence that Donald Trump has committed a crime.

3514
03:15:54,560 --> 03:15:58,119
Speaker 23: Everyone knows that this has been the most transparent presidency.

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03:15:58,480 --> 03:15:59,400
Speaker 3: He's the one I.

3516
03:16:02,400 --> 03:16:04,400
Speaker 4: Got your answer you said no evidence.

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03:16:08,080 --> 03:16:11,920
Speaker 3: This time belongs to the gentleman from California.

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03:16:11,959 --> 03:16:17,600
Speaker 16: Okay, I'm gonna put up another document from a witness

3519
03:16:17,640 --> 03:16:21,400
Speaker 16: who called the FBI's National Threat Operation Center because I

3520
03:16:21,520 --> 03:16:24,640
Speaker 16: believe you just lied under oath. There is ample evidence

3521
03:16:24,800 --> 03:16:25,400
Speaker 16: into Epstein.

3522
03:16:25,640 --> 03:16:28,560
Speaker 7: Don't you ever accuse me of believe you just.

3523
03:16:28,600 --> 03:16:31,400
Speaker 16: Lied under oath. And this is all on videotape. You

3524
03:16:31,600 --> 03:16:34,760
Speaker 16: said there's no events crime. I'm showing you. Here is

3525
03:16:35,400 --> 03:16:39,160
Speaker 16: a witness statement who called into the FBI's Threat Operation Center.

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03:16:40,200 --> 03:16:43,120
Speaker 16: He drove Donald Trump around in limo. He overheard what

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03:16:43,160 --> 03:16:45,880
Speaker 16: Donald Trump said to Jeffrey on his cell phone. He

3528
03:16:46,000 --> 03:16:47,800
Speaker 16: was so angry he was gonna stop a limo and

3529
03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:50,920
Speaker 16: hurt Donald Trump. And he met a girl who said

3530
03:16:50,920 --> 03:16:54,440
Speaker 16: she was raped by Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. She

3531
03:16:54,600 --> 03:16:56,840
Speaker 16: later had her head blown off, and the officers at

3532
03:16:56,879 --> 03:17:01,280
Speaker 16: the scene said that could not have been suicide. No one,

3533
03:17:02,080 --> 03:17:06,960
Speaker 16: no one at the point of justice interviewed this witness.

3534
03:17:07,840 --> 03:17:12,640
Speaker 16: You need to interview this witness immediately. Epstein should rot

3535
03:17:12,800 --> 03:17:15,920
Speaker 16: in hell. So should the men who patronize this operation.

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03:17:17,120 --> 03:17:19,119
Speaker 16: And as we say here today, they are over one

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03:17:19,240 --> 03:17:23,040
Speaker 16: thousand sex trafficking victims, and you have not held a

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03:17:23,280 --> 03:17:24,720
Speaker 16: single man accountable.

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03:17:25,080 --> 03:17:27,480
Speaker 4: Shame on you. If you had any decency, you would

3540
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:28,760
Speaker 4: resign right after this.

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03:17:28,959 --> 03:17:31,160
Speaker 11: Here we conclusive, gentlemen, has expired.

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03:17:32,560 --> 03:17:36,440
Speaker 6: She did not answer a single question, honestly, she did

3543
03:17:36,520 --> 03:17:40,080
Speaker 6: not give a yes or no answer. The Republicans spent

3544
03:17:40,160 --> 03:17:42,960
Speaker 6: the time trying to deflect by she had like this

3545
03:17:43,320 --> 03:17:46,760
Speaker 6: sheet of like, well, in your state, this person committed

3546
03:17:46,800 --> 03:17:49,760
Speaker 6: a crime in your district. This person committed a crime

3547
03:17:50,200 --> 03:17:53,480
Speaker 6: and tried to deflect every which way.

3548
03:17:53,920 --> 03:17:59,280
Speaker 2: Congress people aren't law enforcement, like no, and.

3549
03:17:59,320 --> 03:18:02,800
Speaker 6: The republic and spent the time praising her and praising

3550
03:18:02,920 --> 03:18:04,800
Speaker 6: Trump and touting their own agenda.

3551
03:18:05,440 --> 03:18:10,280
Speaker 1: And this is not justice. This is sickening.

3552
03:18:10,840 --> 03:18:18,880
Speaker 6: I I what precedent this sends to people who are

3553
03:18:19,720 --> 03:18:23,920
Speaker 6: survivors of horrific sex crimes.

3554
03:18:24,600 --> 03:18:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean the president that they want to send is

3555
03:18:26,160 --> 03:18:27,640
Speaker 2: don't say shit, right.

3556
03:18:28,080 --> 03:18:32,280
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. That's what it sends. And we

3557
03:18:32,440 --> 03:18:35,520
Speaker 6: can't allow this to go on. We have to keep

3558
03:18:35,640 --> 03:18:36,360
Speaker 6: talking about it.

3559
03:18:36,840 --> 03:18:41,720
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just very upset. Pam BONDI. She is one

3560
03:18:41,760 --> 03:18:43,800
Speaker 1: of the most despicable people in the world.

3561
03:18:44,480 --> 03:18:49,199
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, to get up there with survivors in the room,

3562
03:18:49,440 --> 03:18:52,000
Speaker 6: and to not look at them, to not answer a

3563
03:18:52,040 --> 03:18:59,720
Speaker 6: single question, and to continuously deflect and lie. It's impossibly

3564
03:19:00,560 --> 03:19:05,320
Speaker 6: disgusting and very very very sad, very very sad.

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03:19:05,720 --> 03:19:10,640
Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay, yeah, well, I don't know what else

3566
03:19:10,680 --> 03:19:11,280
Speaker 2: to say about it.

3567
03:19:11,640 --> 03:19:13,800
Speaker 1: It's impossibly disgusting and very very sad.

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03:19:13,959 --> 03:19:14,160
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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03:19:14,959 --> 03:19:19,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I hope that these survivors get some kind of

3570
03:19:19,600 --> 03:19:23,160
Speaker 6: justice someday. We are not going to forget about them.

3571
03:19:23,600 --> 03:19:26,520
Speaker 6: We're not going to stop talking about it. Something has

3572
03:19:26,600 --> 03:19:29,600
Speaker 6: to give here. This is This is not justice, This

3573
03:19:29,800 --> 03:19:30,640
Speaker 6: is despicable.

3574
03:19:31,200 --> 03:19:32,240
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

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03:19:32,720 --> 03:19:35,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen or if anything's

3576
03:19:35,200 --> 03:19:37,840
Speaker 2: going to give in the near future, but people are pissed,

3577
03:19:38,240 --> 03:19:41,160
Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll continue to be, which is I guess

3578
03:19:41,200 --> 03:19:44,440
Speaker 2: all we can hope for is that before much longer,

3579
03:19:44,520 --> 03:19:46,280
Speaker 2: the time comes around where we could make sure that

3580
03:19:46,720 --> 03:19:50,480
Speaker 2: these people, including the folks protecting them now pay. So

3581
03:19:51,000 --> 03:19:54,360
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, we've got any other news or is

3582
03:19:54,640 --> 03:19:58,000
Speaker 2: this no? We it's a real bummer of an ending. Yeah,

3583
03:19:58,160 --> 03:20:00,280
Speaker 2: well yeah, it's appropriate right now.

3584
03:20:00,480 --> 03:20:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we reported the news, gear, Yeah.

3585
03:20:03,320 --> 03:20:04,160
Speaker 2: I love the news.

3586
03:20:05,280 --> 03:20:06,280
Speaker 11: We reported the news.

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03:20:06,879 --> 03:20:10,560
Speaker 6: Yep, James, anything you want to plug at the end here.

3588
03:20:11,879 --> 03:20:17,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to email us with news tips,

3589
03:20:17,640 --> 03:20:20,600
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3590
03:20:21,040 --> 03:20:23,200
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03:20:23,320 --> 03:20:26,920
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03:20:27,000 --> 03:20:29,520
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03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:32,320
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03:20:32,440 --> 03:20:35,039
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3595
03:20:35,040 --> 03:20:37,120
Speaker 5: and partition those two things off so that we can

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03:20:37,200 --> 03:20:38,560
Speaker 5: deal with both of them separately.

3597
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Speaker 2: heat death of the Universe.

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