WEBVTT - Clark Kellogg Talks College Ball and Broadcasting 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:08.479 From the king of sports books comes the Key Sports 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:19.000 podcast Unleashed, presented by the MGM. Here's your host, Jani's 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:29.520 Papas and Olivia Arlan Decker. We have the bluest blue 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.600 blood Final four ever. I want everyone to try to 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:34.879 say that four times past wherever they are right now, 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.239 and we are here to break it all down. What's up? Everyone? 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.599 Welcome to Unleashed. Look on one side of the bracket. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.200 Tipping off Saturday at six o nine Eastern. It's number 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.520 two seed Villanova, the winners of two national championships since 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.480 versus the last remaining one seed, Kansas Jayhawks. They just 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.480 passed Kentucky for all time wins. They are four and 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:02.560 a half point favorite, and amazingly enough, that's the undercard 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.560 because we have an epic A C C battle featuring 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.160 one of the most storied and heated rivalries in all 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.800 of sport. This is Michigan, Ohio State. This is Yankees 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:17.120 Red Sox. It's eight seed North Carolina taking on two 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.720 seed Duke, the four and a half point favorite in 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.800 what could be Mikachevsky's final game coaching. We know it's 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.280 his last dance, although these days I never really believe 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.760 anyone's retired. It's kind of hard to trust people these days. 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.480 But look, these teams have played two hundred fifty seven times. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.080 Their campuses are eight miles apart, and can you believe it, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.240 they have never met in the n C Double A tournament. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:47.520 That is wild, That is nuts. These are the heavyweights. Really. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.760 All four teams have won at least three national championships. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.320 And look, we had our fun with Cinderella's and upsets, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.320 but this is like survival of the fittest, and it 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.840 appears the best teams ended up where they should be. Honest, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.280 I should shut up. I know you're still confused. How 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.000 Yale did it make it? But what do you think 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.160 about these final four? It's incredible. Like you said, it's chalk, 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.519 it's the bluest of the blue blood It's very hard 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.280 to say, back to back, bluest of the blue bloods, 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.440 blue blue bloods. Yeah, yeah, you're still in my heart, yell, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.799 And I know that you're gonna be most of these 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.800 guys bosses one day, so you can pay them back 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.880 by not giving him a full salary when they look 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.840 for work after they don't make the league. I am 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:37.840 just kidding. It's been an amazing tournament and I'm just 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.600 looking forward to this Duke North Carolina rivalry. I'm looking 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.760 forward to our guests. This episode a dream come true 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.880 for me. The one and only Clark Kellogg is gonna 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.399 be here. I want to ask him about Greg Gumble's 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:58.639 wig and Kenny's tattooed hairline. Please please don't ask about 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.920 anyone's hairy on it's I won't, I won't. I'm just 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.160 saying that show is great because him and Charles are 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.360 the only ones keeping it real about what's going on 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:13.239 above their forehead. Boy, that is, I mean, just one 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.480 of the best shows. Seeing him in studio for almost 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.640 thirty years he's been at CBS, That's pretty incredible. He's 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.720 gonna be such a great guest. I love how we're 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.440 going from Coach K to Special K Clark Kellogg. He's 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.000 gonna be so great. You've watched him all tournament long, Folks, 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.040 You'll see him in the studio forget Thomas though he's 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.120 Mr March. So this is this is a real treat. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.200 I wait, I thought, are we also going to cover 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.800 Will Smith Chris Rock? Nobody's talking about that. I mean, 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.000 we gotta ask Peter Andrew. What the bet? Mgm thou, 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.440 I am so sick of hearing about the slap heard 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.960 round the world. I don't know. I don't even feel 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.160 like I have a take on it, do you No, 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.800 I don't have a take. I just I know that 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.520 Will Smith gotten one little fight um at the Oscars 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.720 and his mom got scared, and now he's got to 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.640 go live with his uh auntian uncle in bel Air. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.839 I know that. I think the Fresh Prince, I think 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.320 the Fresh Prince of bel Air too is coming. And 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.720 that was the setup. No, it already is coming. It's 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.520 on Peacock. They have they have a reboot. I forget 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.680 what it's called. It's maybe it's called Fresh or Prince 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.400 bel Air. I don't know, but there I think it's 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:37.040 called Propecia on Peacock, I know it is. Yeah, I 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.440 think it's called alopecia. That's horrible. That's horrible. No more 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:47.360 hair jokes this episode. Yeah no, that was Yeah. That 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.200 tried to steal the headlines from March Madness, baby, but 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:55.000 you can't because March Madness always wins. The final fours 0:04:55.120 --> 0:05:01.640 come in. So sorry, Mr will Smith. It's back to basketball, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.520 especially for Unleashed. We are not an Oscar's recap show. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.760 You're not watching Bravo baby. We're on bed MGM, We're 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.720 talking to Clark Kellogg. We're getting into it. We are 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.919 getting into it, Twiday, Olivia, I wish we were talking 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.039 Bravo boy. I need I need to have like a 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:22.360 whole separate podcast just to do Bravo recap episodes. In fact, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.440 I should co host that with your wife, Brittany. She 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.680 and I could host a great Bravo summary podcast. See 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.520 if she's up for it. Yeah, that please please, that 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:38.360 would be amazing. I would not tune in for that. Well, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.680 you wouldn't be invited. We would we wouldn't have you on. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.400 Oh that'd be so good. Okay. We gotta get to 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:49.279 our bad Beat winner Brad Beat all the Week. Every 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:53.000 week we do this and you win for losing bad, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:57.880 but you win pretty good. And this week it's Nick Young. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.279 And it's not to be confused with the basketball player 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.520 Nick Young. This is this actual guy's name. This is 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.480 not Swaggy Pee, but this is the winner of the 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.880 bad Beat of the Week at Real Reel n Why 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.920 he had a seven leg parlay plus two thousand seven 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.360 hundred seventy five odds. Wow. He hit six of the legs, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.080 including the New Orleans Pelicans who came back from twenty 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.120 and they covered. But it's always that last leg that 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.279 screws everything up. So for Nick, I'm so sorry man. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.400 It was the Brooklyn Nets. They're up four at half, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.400 they lost to Charlotte and Nick loses his parlay. That 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.880 had to hurt. Fortunately, you've got a hundred dollars and 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:38.120 bet MGM credit headed your way to U try and 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.479 hit the next one. So hopefully he comes up with 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.120 something good for the final four and he can listen 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.320 to this episode with Clark Kellogg and he can listen 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.599 to Peter Andrew at the end because that's when we'll 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.680 really break down the bedding of it. 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This is where we both unleash 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:30.040 on a topic we feel passionately about this week, positive 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.560 or negative. So honest, you're a first friend, go ahead, 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:44.160 It's time to unleash. It's time to ade. Okay o 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.120 h d Let's talk a little m b A. Let's 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:54.560 move the camera over from the boys competing attorney to 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:59.720 the men making millions. Alright, all season long, we've been 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.559 taught good about this n b A n VP race, 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:09.199 and it's always talk between guys that don't include my guy, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:14.439 who's been silently crushing it in the desert down there 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:19.160 in Phoenix. All the talk is about Steph Curry, Joel Mbi, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:25.120 Janice Yokich, John Moran. But what is going on with 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.840 my boy, d Booker? Is anyone paying attention to what 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:33.160 Devin Booker has been consistently doing on the best team 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:38.400 in the n b A with Chris Paul hurt for 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.560 a portion of the season. Like I said, he's on 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.880 the best team in the league, and Chris Paul hasn't 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.760 played since the All Star break and the team hasn't 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:51.000 even missed a beat. They are nine games up. You 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:56.160 heard that right, nine games up over the GRIZ. So 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.360 if you didn't think Devin Booker is an MVP can date, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.280 then you got another thing coming. All right. Maybe you're 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.360 not staying up to watch the West Coast games. Maybe 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.280 that's what it is. I don't know what it is. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.120 But he's averaging twenty six point five points per game, 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.840 currently ninth best in the league. He's also averaging nearly 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.800 five assists per game from the two spot. And here's 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:26.199 the best part. He's incredibly efficient. Okay, insiders know this. 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.680 Last week he dropped forty nine on the Nuggets, shooting 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:34.440 sixteen for twenty five from the field and fifteen for 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:40.520 seventeen from the stripe. So when Kyrie and John Morant 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.720 tweet that d book is an m VP candidate and 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.840 Yanni tells you on Unleashed with oh d, you better 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:53.720 open your ears Jack and listen. Okay, the oddsmakers seem 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.880 to be listening, because finally they're starting to take notice. 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.880 And Devin Booker jumped up to forty six to one, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.840 which was much higher than even a week ago. So 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.280 trust me, take a little bit of that cash money 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.360 you just got back from your tax season and put 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:14.040 it on Devin Booker for m v P. Watch him 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:18.200 down the stretch, because my man, Devin Booker has my vote. 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.920 I love that light skinned brother. You already got your 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:26.000 tax refund. It's mark Yeah. I file early, girl, I 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.880 follow my going early. I gotta get I want to 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.920 get that money freed up, so I can I can 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.480 put some money on Devin Booker for m v P. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.000 There you go, hey. One thing, you know, I'm in Turkey. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.559 I've got a lot of time on my hands. One 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.320 thing about Devin Booker that I have loved lately. He 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.160 has a really good tour of his home on Architectural 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.840 Digest YouTube page. If you want to go see that. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.640 That's how I kill some time over here. I'm not kidding. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.559 This house is like the most amazing thing I've ever seen. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.920 And that's not what I'm unleashing on. Well, but you 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.360 could talk about that on your new show with my wife. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:05.400 I could oh h, Brittany talk talk gossip. Yeah, houses, Bravo. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.320 That's yeah, that's my second love. Okay, I gotta get 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.760 back focused, because what I want to un leash on 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.720 is a great tournament. Look. Every year there are critics 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.880 out there that complain about the n C Double A tournament, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.200 about the committee not getting it right, or some teams 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.480 being seeded wrong, or that a sixty eight team, single 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.679 elimination tournament isn't the best way to crown a champion. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.240 I disagree, by the way, if we wanted to really 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.160 find out who the best team is. We probably would 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.920 play series like in NBA playoffs. I like single elimination. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.679 I think it is so fun. It's so dramatic, and 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.800 it's so much fun to watch. There's a reason everyone 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.880 tunes into college hoops this time of year. But I 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.240 love the early chaos, big part thanks to fifteen seeds St. 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.120 Peter's upsetting everyone, especially Kentucky. I loved watching that one. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.840 That was fun. They made history, is the first fifteen 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.120 seed to make the Elite Eight. By the way, head 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.640 coach of the Peacocks, coach Shaheen Holloway, basically earned himself 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.400 two million dollars in those three tournament wins because he 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.320 is now finalizing a deal to coach at his alma mater, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.600 Seaton Hall. So that's a great story. He's I think 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.360 about three d thousand was his salary this year and 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.120 won three tournament games as a fifteen seed, and now 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.160 he's gonna be making over two mills. So that's pretty incredible. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.480 But this year we've got something even more special. Speaking 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.320 of someone who makes a lot of money, the n 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:24.760 c Double A Final four has given us some incredible 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.520 matchups over the years. Coach K has been in thirteen 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.480 of them individually Final four's, but somehow we've never even 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.600 seen Duke play their biggest rival in North Carolina in 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:39.040 the tournament at all until this year. I mean, it's 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.800 you could not script this any better, Hollywood, pick up 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.920 the phone. This is dying to be made into the 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.960 next movie. In fact, we should do a betting game 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.680 of who will play Coach K in the next movie 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.080 that I mean this is. I could write that script 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.440 and it would be fantastic. But on the other side 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.439 is Hubert Davis. It's his first for North Carolina. I mean, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.160 the basketball gods did not disappoint us with this, and 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.120 I just think it's a tough task for both coaches 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:11.920 to bring the Steaks down to quiet the storyline in 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:16.120 their locker room. Obviously, the colossal upset last time they played, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.720 just a couple of weeks ago. I was on Duke's turf. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:20.920 Duke was really bad. At the end of the game, 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:22.960 you know, Coach K took the mic and addressed the 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.960 crowd like that. That's a part of my plot, by 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.920 the way, part of the story, but it's just so dramatic. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.120 But Grant Hill has said that Duke wouldn't be here 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.440 playing in the Final four if they hadn't lost that game. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.760 They got better defensively, they got tougher, they got closer 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.320 as a team. But you can also make a big 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.840 argument that North Carolina would not be here playing in 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.120 the Final four if they hadn't won that game. That 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.720 was the last regular season game they were on the bubble. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.920 We didn't know if they'd make the tournament, let alone 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.680 be seated. They were an eight seed and they won out. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.040 They've been playing their best basketball in these last couple 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.120 of weeks. More confidence too, after beating Duke. Are you kidding? 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.840 They've been so confident And this is actually their two 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.600 hundred fifty eight meeting in history Blue Devils and the 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.400 tar Heels, but the first time in the tournament. I mean, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.480 that's just so incredible. And obviously you can't talk about 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.160 Duke without talking about everyone who hates them. Um, you 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.440 know they won back to back titles in two You 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.120 have Christian Lightner the shot. There are people who still 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.160 wear shirts saying I still hate Christian Lightner, I hate Duke. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.720 People think they have arrogance. There's always a kind of unlikable, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.560 punchable face on the roster, the players slapping the floor 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.840 on defense. If you love Duke, you love that, And 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.920 that was a big storyline this year too, and just 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.640 the grace and alan nous of it all. So I've 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.680 got to admit in my household we veer on the 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.040 anti Duke side. My husband lost to them in the 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.640 National Championship Game in I think that's a good reason. 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.480 But I cannot wait for this game. You know. I'm 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.280 a sucker for a good storyline, honest, and you couldn't 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.720 have written this one any better. So hats off to 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.160 the n C Double A Tournament. March Madness has been 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.640 so memorable already, regardless of what happens after this, and 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.080 I can't wait, and I bet our guests can't either. 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.320 So let's get right to Clark Kellogg now and see 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:27.840 what he has to say about March Madness. You see 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.120 him all throughout March Madness, breaking down every single game, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.760 one of the best in the business. CBS Sports College 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.760 Basketball Analyst Special K Clark Kellogg, Clark, thanks so much 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.240 for being here. I've got to say, leading up to 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.000 talking to you today, my dad was so excited. You 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.160 guys are partners on NBA two k and at CBS 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:48.840 over the years, and he said, and I quote that 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.960 you may be the nicest person in the business. He 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.000 just loves you and we love you for coming on. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.200 So thank you so much. Oh, it's great to be 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.320 with you, Olivia. I love your dad. It's some Unfortunately 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.240 we didn't get to work together this season, but we've 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.840 worked together quite a bit over the years, and I've 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.679 always enjoyed not just our time together on the microphone, 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.360 but all fair. We have a lot of neat conversations 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.520 about our families and what's going on. And love the 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:19.120 vibe that he brings, the energy, the enthusiasm of passion, 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.160 and we're kindred spirits in a lot of ways. So 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.359 I really appreciate him saying that. But I love your 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.800 dad and love hanging out with him and two K 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.200 has been great for us to journey together with two 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.679 So it's been a cool relationship. What's it like working 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:38.520 with Kenny and Charles behind the scenes? Isn't as fun 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:43.000 as it seems, your honest, it is exactly what it appears. Man. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.399 I tell people all the time, if you don't have 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:49.600 your laughing muscles in order and in shape, you won't 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.520 last because you're laughing the whole time. Charles is just 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.959 a naturally gracious and funny guy. I don't know if 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.760 you've had a chance to cross pass with him, but 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.080 I played against him in the NBA. We've worked together 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.840 now for several years. We've crossed paths through the fraternity 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.840 of the NBA, even when I was no longer a player. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.080 I was working for the Pacers for a couple of 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.000 decades after I had to retire from playing, and would 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.119 see all the players as I was doing road games 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.879 for the Pacers on television as a commentator, and so 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.679 we've had a long history of crossing paths. And then 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:25.280 the last seven eight nine years we've worked together and 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:30.240 it's just been an absolute blast, great basketball knowledge, tremendous humor, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.440 a lot of mutual respect, and as is the case 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.360 with any group of sports fans when you get together, 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.000 part of the fun of being able to watch games 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:47.760 is to talk about them and debate players, coaches, strategy, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.840 and then you have fun. And him and Kenny are 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.600 like to like big brother little brother, back and forth, 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.439 bicker in the whole time. I'm laughing. I'm laughing like 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:00.640 six of the time, just laughing because those two guys, 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.640 so it's been great. And then Ernie stirs the pot. Okay, 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.600 Ernie loves He's like a big sibling who knows exactly 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.120 which buttons to push, and so he'll spend him. It's 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.800 just off and running. And Greg does the same thing 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.679 in his own way because he likes to jab me. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.920 Because Greg and I, Greg Gumbel and I have worked 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:23.520 together for almost twenty well, he came back, I became 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.399 I was full time and night. So yeah, it's been 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.040 twenty twenty five years that Greg and I've worked together. 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.840 So he tries all of his stand up comic routines 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.560 on me first to see if in fact they work, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.040 and then that way you can take him out on 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.359 the speaking It's it's it's a right man. It's so 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.400 much fun and seven it's almost impossible to call it work. 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.440 It really is just so much fun. Yeah, that's an 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:49.000 all star cast there, And really, sports journalism, sports broadcasting, 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.400 television in general, it's a tough business. It's really hard 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.800 to sustain success. What have you learned from almost three 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.119 decades in television? Maybe that's a kind of bigger life lesson. 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.440 You know, it's interesting, Olivia. I'm grounded. My faith is 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.520 really the foundation of who I am and who I 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.760 attempt to be. I gave my life to God through 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.760 faith in Christ in November of eighties six, So I'm 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.720 coming up on thirty six years of being a christ following, 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.280 and to me, it's all about seeking to follow the 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.439 mandates of Scripture and how you live and how you 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.440 treat people and how you work to the glory of God. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.720 So that's my audience of one and the key has 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.600 been to be me, to be genuinely me, to learn 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:34.880 from my mess ups, to appreciate and esteem the other 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.119 people that I'm part of the team with, and to 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.440 enjoy it. I mean the joy that I have for 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.840 for life and for what God has graced me to 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:48.760 do as a basketball player, initially realizing the dream of 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.840 getting to the NBA that was cut short because of 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.919 injury after only five years, and then to have a 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.160 chance to stay in the game connected to the game 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:03.040 in this way, I'm just exceedingly grateful. And so that 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:08.840 to me is a really primary value for me is gratitude, 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.480 and that has served me well, not just in my 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.639 professional life but in my personal life. And that's how 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.120 I try to approach it. I'm grateful. There's stuff, there's 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.959 tough stuff going on in our business, certainly in the world, 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.680 in our relationship. I mean, there's any number of things 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.000 that you can see that are part of the difficulty 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:28.439 of life. But where you have opportunity to rejoice and 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:32.320 be joyful, I think you should do that as often 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.240 as you can, and I try to walk that that talk. 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.440 Like you mentioned, you know, you got injured after five years. 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.680 We've seen that happen to a few players like Jay Williams, 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:48.000 Bobby Hurley. We actually had Frank commission Um and he 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.679 was talking about his knee injury and how disconcerting it 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.719 could be. What's that feel like when you feel like 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.280 your dreams are slipping away? And how do you remain 0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:01.359 positive when you know life throws you that curved Yeah, 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.280 you know, I go back to my faith, you honest. 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:05.280 It was during my injury time that I came to 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.919 a personal relationship with Christ and that was really the 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.960 anchor that kept me moving in the right direction despite 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:12.760 the heart ache. It was a devastating, but I was 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:16.000 twenty one when I got drafted back in I was 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:19.120 twenty six when I retired, and I had a promising 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.320 career that ended because of my knee troubles um. And 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:27.240 yet I never thought basketball was the end of my journey. 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:28.960 It was a means to an end. I knew there 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.800 was more to me into life than playing basketball. I 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.320 was thrilled that God gave me the ability and that 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.800 I had shown that I was capable and could have 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.760 had a long career, but on my path ended up 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.880 being cut short by injury on the court. And I'm 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:44.840 thankful for all of the people in my life. My 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.679 wife Rosie, we've been married, coming up on thirty nine years. 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.320 We dated to three years I was in college. She's 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.200 been an anchor in a rock. I've had unbelievable people 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:59.439 in my life, parents, extended family, mentors, teammates, friends that 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:03.200 have helped me try to keep a good, positive perspective 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.639 on where I am and where I might end up. 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:09.520 And hey, life isn't always smooth. And I was grateful again, 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.159 I go back to gratitude. Yeah, I had to retire 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:14.760 at twenty six with a promising career in front of me, 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:18.000 but I got there. I actually was there and proved 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.600 that I belong and was probably destined for some better things. 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.560 On the court had I stayed healthy, but I wouldn't 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.480