1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison is a television and game show host, best 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: known for his role as the host of the ABC 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: reality TV dating. 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Show The Bachelor. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: He also hosted its many spinoffs, The Bachelorette, Bachelor Pad, 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: and more. In twenty twenty one, Chris announced that he 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: will be temporarily stepping aside from the franchise. Since then, 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: Chris got engaged to his fiance Lauren Zima, and now 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: hosts his own iHeartRadio podcast, the most dramatic podcast ever. 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: This is just be with Chris Harrison. Let's get into it. 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: Hi, Hi bethany how are you good? 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: Have I don't know that we've have we ever met 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: in person? 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: We never have, which is bizarre. 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: I know, I don't know. 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: When I read your bio, it says your best known 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: own for your role on the Bachelor and Bachelorette and 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: the spinoffs. But I don't know how you got started. 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: I don't know what your trajectory was to get to that. 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 3: I was a sportscaster. I played soccer in college, and 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: then from college got into sportscasting, slash news and all 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: that stuff, and Oklahoma City just the local CBS affiliate, 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: and then went on to start a horse racing network 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: in LA and then did game shows and Home and 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: Garden Show and then Bachelor. 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you're very passionate about sports. That was 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: just the like hook you had to get in. 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: No, I was passionate about about playing it. It was funny. 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: I always loved playing it more than I did covering it. 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: But it was kind of this natural transition when I 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 3: was in college and just fell in love with TV. 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: And you've never thought about getting back into the sports 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: world in the professional space like I did. 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: I thought about it, but the honestly, the hour suck. 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: It's like today, I'm leaving and flying out to go 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: see the US Open golf tournament, and instead I would 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: have been working it. So I went to the Super 38 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: Bowl and I went all those things, but I was 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: alone sitting there on press row, going, oh, remind yourself 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: to have fun because you're sitting here alone when everybody's 41 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: home having parties. 42 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: Right, right. 43 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: But you and I have very similar trajectories. 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Interesting, So how long have you been engaged? 45 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: Gosh, good question? 46 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: Who cares? Right? Who cares that? 47 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: It's a year? 48 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: Okay? 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: Did you find that in the beginning people are asking you? 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: And now no one really cares what you do. 51 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: Like they're asking you when you're getting married, any planning wedding? 52 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: Now it's yeah, Now it goes to when when you're 53 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: getting married and what you know you're planning, where is 54 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 3: it going to be, and all that good stuff. 55 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: Oh, they're still there with us. 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: They don't mean they don't even care, Like, oh really, yeah, 57 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: and what's your answer. 58 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: We're getting married soon, we actually have a wedding plan. 59 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Oh oh so no, we're not in the same boat 60 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: because we're in the same boat that we're both engaged. 61 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: But like, I have the question all the time, and 62 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't really have a great reason why we're not 63 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: planning a wedding. I think the best reason is just 64 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: that I don't want to, Like I don't want I 65 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: we we are. 66 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: It feels cheesy. We feels like we're married. 67 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: They are life partners, which I think people think is 68 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: a weird thing to say, just like using that sort 69 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: of formal terminology. It's like very like modern terminology. But 70 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: I hate that when the question gets asked, it's like 71 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: a good like sort of talk show question, and I'm 72 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: just like, I don't. 73 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: Know, that's what, Well, that's funny. Yes, that's why I 74 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: got engaged because I was like, I can't call you 75 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: my girlfriend. Yes, and you're more than that because you 76 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: live we live together, we have this life together and 77 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: so and I'm not cool enough for whatever to say 78 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: life partner. I don't even know what that means. So 79 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, let's get this is the next step. 80 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: Let's get engaged. 81 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: Right. 82 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: No, And fiance is weird too, isn't it? 83 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: Now? 84 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 4: For you? 85 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: It is? Yeah, Now that's silly. That's it's more. 86 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: It's almost more stupid because it's like younger. It sounds 87 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: like you're twenty three. 88 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: It does. It does make me feel. 89 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: There you wouldn't know, Oh my god, you would know 90 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: more than anyone. 91 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 92 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean it's like and I and I 93 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: was married previously, and so you know, I was young. 94 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: I was in my twenty and so it felt natural. 95 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: And so when I say, oh, she's my fiancee, it 96 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: makes me feel like I'm in college again or I 97 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: just got engaged. Yeah, And so it is this weird 98 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: kind of purgatory where we're not here, we're not there yet. 99 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, now it's time to do and 100 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: That's how I always felt about all my relationships. Is 101 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: when it doesn't feel right anymore and you feel like, okay, 102 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: I'm lying to everybody, It's time let's go public. Okay, 103 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: I'm tired of calling you my girlfriend. Let's get engaged. 104 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: I don't want to call you my so that when 105 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: when you get that feeling it's time to move on. 106 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and not to bring up a sensitive word, but 107 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: will you have a bachelor party or no? 108 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: Way? 109 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: You know it's funny no, but yes, like I don't 110 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: want to have a bachelor party bay any means again 111 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: talk about something I did when I was twenty three. 112 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: But I will probably grab some of my dearest friends 113 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: and will go play golf or something. 114 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: Just want to make meaning. 115 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly like be with people I love and we'll 116 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 3: call it a bachelor party. But yeah, we're not going out. 117 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: You know, we're not going to a strip club. We're 118 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: not doing any of this stupid stuff that I didn't 119 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: even love when I was twenty three, right, Yeah, that. 120 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: It's funny because I don't know, I think you're younger 121 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: than I am. You do you mind if I have 122 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: I'm fifty one, Oh, so you're a year younger, so 123 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: we are very similar. 124 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's weird the more I talk about, like, 125 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: I can't believe we haven't met, I know, because we 126 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: have very parallel lives on so many levels. It's really bizarre. 127 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: I know. 128 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: And you're the East Coast version. 129 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: On the East Coast version, you took a really sort 130 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: of like traditional work entertainment path, but you know what 131 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean. And I'm like rogue in that way. So 132 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: it's a parallel, different circuitist path. But funny to think 133 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: about the fact that both I wouldn't have thought of 134 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: yours as risky and scary. However, thinking about you being 135 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: partners with such a big network that you know, Disney 136 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: owns ABC right like that. I know from Eric stone Street, 137 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm modern family like he won't. He's still sort of 138 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: trained to not say so things, to not be a 139 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: certain way. He can't believe the things that I say 140 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: when he can say, I'm too. He's not on the 141 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: show anymore. But people who live in that world have 142 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: to adhere to such a code. 143 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. You definitely got to stay between these 144 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: little navigational beacons. 145 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: For sure, Yes, and you know, find your little ways 146 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: of like blinking twice to say something that might be 147 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: almost inappropriate but not quite like being on a morning 148 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: talk show, you know, and I'm on the Today Show. 149 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: I'll like say things that are sort of winking to 150 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: the audience, but you can't really say what I would 151 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: normally say. 152 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: And so I. 153 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: Wouldn't have thought that your path would be scary. I 154 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: think that my path is sometimes scary because I, you know, 155 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: borderline really getting in trouble for being opinionated. So I 156 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: wonder have you felt do you feel free now in 157 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: your career, like you can really you could kind of 158 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: do or say anything you want. 159 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: Now, right? 160 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean, and you bring up a good point, 161 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: like there was safety in my job for so long 162 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 3: because my job kept me in that little space and 163 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: so as long as I stayed in that little space, 164 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 3: and I didn't speak out on politics or anything, which 165 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: by the way, I never did. Anyway, I never brought 166 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: it in to the show because I felt like that's 167 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: what people were getting away from when they wanted to 168 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: come to me and my show. It's like they're if 169 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: you want that, go go elsewhere. You come here to 170 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: escape and get away from it all. So my brand 171 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: was never being this outspoken proponent of anything, whereas your 172 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: brand kind of was you were known as this brash, 173 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: really outspoken speak you know and kind of shoot from 174 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: the hip. And so yeah, I could see how your 175 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: life would be a little bit scarier from day to 176 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: day as opposed to my My thing was kind of 177 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: lined up for me. Your original question of do you 178 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: feel more free one hundred percent doing this, having my 179 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: own brand, my own name, my own title. I'm not. 180 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: And also there's safety in having quote unquote been canceled. 181 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of being pregnant. It's kind of 182 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: like being pregnant, like can I get pregnant again? So 183 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: there's some Yeah, there's safety in that. So and I 184 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: think people that love me and supported me, they're with 185 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: me anyway. So and the people that don't don't don't 186 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: be with me, don't listen, don't watch. But yeah, I 187 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: feel a lot more free to speak my mind and 188 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: be a little bit more honest. 189 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: What about something being part of your DNA and not 190 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,679 Speaker 1: even realizing it, like walking away leaving the Housewives for me, Yeah, 191 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: albeit by choice. I kept thinking about like even it 192 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: was like an x X that I was not in 193 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: love with but I was still thinking about them, like 194 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: are they calling? Do I call them? What are they doing? 195 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: Like what are they up to? Like I was still 196 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: connect I thought that was the only world. I thought 197 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: that everybody knew what the housewives were, and I know 198 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: in the stratosphere they do like in the ether, but 199 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: I thought that everybody was like talking about, you know, 200 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: what an Orange County housewives doing, and they weren't because 201 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: it was just something I was connected to. So I 202 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: checked back in and then one day, just like an X, 203 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: it just dissolves and off of you and it's not 204 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: part of you, it's just somebody that you used to know. 205 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: It is that it is very cathartic, and you're right, 206 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: it is like it's very much as a relationship and 207 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: a breakup, And mine was kind of the same way 208 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: where it was. I mean, the best I could say 209 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: is it was mutual. It definitely wasn't against me, like 210 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: I wasn't fired, but I didn't exactly quit. It was 211 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: kind of this mutual thing agreement, if you will. But 212 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: when you've been a part of something for twenty years 213 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: and you are so synonymous with it, like you were 214 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: putting you really put housewives on the Map and became 215 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: synonymous with it, and I was the same way you 216 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: think a bachelor, you think of Chris Harrison, and so 217 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: I prided myself in that and I tried to never 218 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: be known as that personally, Like I didn't want to 219 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: identify as that. But you almost can't help it because 220 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: that's what you do. 221 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: I know, like in some world you're, you know, winning 222 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: Academy Awards for real films, like you're Jim Carrey trying 223 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: to get out of comedy being a real actor. 224 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: Meaning, well, that. 225 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: Never bothered me, like I was so. No, I was 226 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 3: never the guy that was like, oh, please, don't just 227 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: know me as this guy about you. No, I'm totally 228 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: cool with that. Believe me. I'll all hand out roses 229 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: still the day I die, I know where my bread 230 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: was buttered. And I totally respected that. And to this day, 231 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: it's funny because people I'm still synonymous with the show. 232 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 3: People either still assume I'm on the show or they 233 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 3: just asked me about it and whatever. I'm and I'm 234 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: so grateful for it. I'm so it changed my life 235 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: and I'm I'll never be mad about that. No, I 236 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: just meant like, personally, it didn't identify like I have 237 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: a different life, and I lived my own life as 238 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: far as my relationships and my friends and that goes. 239 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: But when you leave a show, it's still very much 240 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: a part of you. And there was a bit of 241 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: a like you said, that breakup is interesting because it 242 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: is like I was, could have done it for another 243 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 3: five or ten years. Was I still in love with her? No, 244 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: it wasn't the same. 245 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: But I didn't even know. 246 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: You're in a relationship and now you're like still thinking 247 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: about who are they sleeping with even though. 248 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: They're going through the motions. 249 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying ABC, and it's people they're casting in 250 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: your position. You're looking at how they're doing. Well are 251 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: they It's just like a really are they happy? Who 252 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: are they sleeping with? Is it working? 253 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean? 254 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: Did you take any sort of solace or happiness out 255 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: of the fact that Housewives dips after Bethany Frankel leaves. 256 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, I mean yeah, big time. 257 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: I'll tell you two things. One, because you may go 258 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: back one day. I read like you know, you've talked 259 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: about it and you never know, and I could see 260 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: it happening, you know, time heals all wounds. Yeah, the 261 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: ratings went from three million to one point six. I 262 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: think it was I was a big and then I 263 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: came back and they went back up, and I felt wow. 264 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: And you do think about the fear based culture and 265 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: how people don't play the long game. There are a 266 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: lot of business lessons to be learned. It's not that 267 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: easy to work with big networks as you've done, because 268 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: they're just always playing scared. 269 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: They have to right. 270 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: They're not smart business people making really smart business decisions. 271 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: And you're an amazing business woman considering everything that you've 272 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: done subsequently from the housewives. And when people don't think 273 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 3: like that, it's really hard to work with them. When 274 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: they're not making even common sense choices that you know 275 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: will benefit everybody, that you know will lead to success, 276 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: it's hard to work in that space. 277 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: Well, also, you're working so by doing what you were doing, 278 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: you're working in a corporate environment no matter what, like 279 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that you're a creative or entertainer, you're 280 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: in a corporate environment. So so I just launched a 281 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: YouTube series, but like a real produced twenty minute it's 282 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: a television show. 283 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: It's just YouTube. 284 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Is the network and I never understood how I could 285 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: participate there in that way because I could carry a show, 286 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: and it's so liberating to do like a content to 287 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: the people model like you're doing on your podcast. Now 288 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: you don't have to go ask the hall monitor for permission. 289 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: Five suits tell you it's a good idea, it's a 290 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: bad idea. We're waiting for legal to let us know 291 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: if you're in or you're out or whatever next season 292 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: pick up. It's kind of at a certain level after 293 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: working for so many years, you kind of feel powerless, 294 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: like you it's not your choice, And I feel that 295 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: there's something nice about this modern time and a career 296 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: for someone like you or myself that is like freedom, 297 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: Like you could go say whatever you want right today 298 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: and make it entertainment and people will listen. 299 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: The paradigm is shifted completely. It's really done A one eighty. I. 300 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: You know, when you and I got in this business again, 301 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: we're about the same age and kind of interested it. 302 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: Around the same time, there was this dynamic of does 303 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: Bethany Frankel represent our brand? 304 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: It? 305 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: You know, is she is it okay that we have her? Well, 306 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: now that paradigm's completely done A one eighty. Do the 307 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: people you work for represent you? 308 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? 309 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: Howard Stern is a rare occurrence of pushing through. Yeah, 310 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: the man, you know, he's a rare, rare occurrence. 311 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: Back he was. 312 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 3: Really the first of the breed. He was way ahead 313 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: of his time. I mean, he is a genie on 314 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: so many levels, not only one of the best interviewers 315 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: of our time, but you're right, he was kind of 316 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 3: the first to show us we should have looked at 317 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: that model twenty years ago. 318 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, push through. I'm going to say what I want to. 319 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because well because they're saying I relate to that, 320 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: because you know, not everyone likes me, and that's okay. 321 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: They want to even if they don't like me. The 322 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: sort of research says they want to hear what I 323 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: have to say. They love to hate me, So it's 324 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: not if they hate to hate me, we're in trouble. 325 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: They like to like they love to love me, or 326 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: they love to hate me, but they don't hate to 327 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: hate me. 328 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: You know what kills apathy. I always say when it 329 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: was the Bachelor Bacherette, people would say, why was this 330 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: person good to this? And I said, look, I don't 331 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 3: care if you hate this person. I don't care if 332 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: you love this person, as long as you have a 333 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: real strong feeling one way or the other. What will 334 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: kill me and kill the show is if you say 335 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: I don't care or blah fast forward like Bethany, eh, 336 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: I don't really have an opinion. I don't care, but yeah, 337 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: you're right, love you or hate you. I want to 338 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: hear what you're saying. That matters, and someone who moves 339 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: the needle is what matters. 340 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: Interesting. 341 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: So the way that this podcast today happened was you 342 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: were on the phone with Amy, the producer for she 343 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: produces yours too or no. 344 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: Yeah she does, yes, I'm with my heart as well. 345 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: So she was like, I'm on the other phone with 346 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison, and I said, Chris, well, I didn't say 347 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: I don't think I said you hated me because I 348 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: don't think that you do. I don't think you care. 349 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean respectfully. But I said no, He like, tell 350 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: him you're on the other phone with me, because he said, 351 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: like an he said a nasty thing about me in 352 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: an article, and correct me if I'm wrong. I was 353 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: single because you're doing what you're doing. Someone said, would 354 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: you ever date Bethany and you're like, I don't like her. 355 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: I don't like the way she treated her father or 356 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: spoke about her father. And now I heard you just say, 357 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that you did a horse racing show. 358 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: So for everyone listening to, my father is a hall 359 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: of fame, was a Hall of fame horse trainer, one 360 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: of the greatest horse trainers of all time. And I 361 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: was thinking, A, I didn't know that you even knew him, 362 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: and you must have known him like through the business, 363 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: but you weren't his best friend. I mean, you are 364 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: like Joe Torre, who's his best friend? 365 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: I think, right? And and so I read that and 366 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: was like, what the fuck is So? 367 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I got asked, this is back when I 368 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: was single, and I don't remember the article or whatever, 369 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: but something you had said something about your dad or 370 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: something like that. So this is this the weirdest story 371 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: that I. 372 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: Think I had said. I don't. 373 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: I think I had said something. It might have been 374 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: on the show because I talked about it, or it 375 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: might have been even earlier on the Today Show. And 376 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: I said, I don't because it was Father's Day, Countess, 377 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't really have a father, because I really didn't. 378 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: That was it? Yeah, that was it? So, and so 379 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: I knew your dad. It's funny, So I knew your dad, 380 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: I didn't know much about you, and honestly, when you 381 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 3: came to be I had known your dad much better 382 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: than I didn't. It took me a while before I 383 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: even realized you two were connected. 384 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: Doesn't that say a lot to you? 385 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? It does, know, And that's why I was gonna. 386 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about it because I 387 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: wasn't best friends with your dad, but one of his 388 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: very best friends was was a was another trainer slash 389 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: horse person, This guy frank Lyons, this Irish guy. Okay, 390 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: So Frankie was a very dear friend of mine. We 391 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: worked together and did a show together. 392 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: And I know that show. Yes, that was his show. Okay. 393 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: So anytime we went to New York to Belmont to 394 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: cover the Belt with anything Saratoga, we went and had 395 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: dinner with your dad and went and hung out. And 396 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: so I hung out with your dad many times, got 397 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: to know him pretty well, to the point where you know, 398 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: we we would see each other and give each other 399 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: a hug and say hello. But you're right. What made 400 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 3: me think later was how did I not know anything 401 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 3: about Bethany, and I knew her dad fairly well. And 402 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: I'm probably the only person in this world that knew 403 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: your dad and when did and worked with him on 404 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: that world. It was you know, I was it was 405 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: very horse centric. So obviously I was there at the races. 406 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: We were talking about the races and all that. But 407 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 3: we would go out and you know, have a great 408 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: stake in New York, as your dad loved to do. 409 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: But it was funny, but I never really knew. And 410 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 3: I've read subsequently that you you know, you had a 411 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 3: very strained relationship, So no, I really don't know. Oh, 412 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. 413 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: I just I was just had to bring it up 414 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: because that's how it started. And I don't hold it 415 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: against you. We did not have I didn't, I didn't know. 416 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: I didn't see him from the time I was five 417 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: to fourteen, and he literally said, I'm washing my hands 418 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: with the whole situation about me, and then like, really, 419 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: he just never was interested in being my father. And 420 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: I think it's because how could I know what he thought? 421 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: What I think you're now being a parent. I can't 422 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: even imagine it. He was a very he was a 423 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: very horse centric person very I don't, I don't. 424 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: I'm he was selfish. I mean, he just really only 425 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: thought about what was. 426 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: Going on with him and with the horses, and so 427 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: it makes sense people around him who he met, you know, 428 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: he liked young girls and he was fun. He go 429 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: out and tell the jokes and he like, he's knows 430 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: the best steak and all this stuff, and we're talking 431 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: about horses. But he couldn't really relate to other people 432 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: that did not have weren't in the horse community. And 433 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: I was not, you know, so anyway, and my stepfather 434 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: was a horse trainer too. 435 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know, no Maarrisla John. 436 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: Parrislla John Bill, Yes, of course, yeah. 437 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was my stepfather. So yeah, I grew 438 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: up at the racetrack, my aunt everyone, so I never 439 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: ever go and I don't have a connection to it. 440 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, I don't know why we talked about 441 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: that for halfy nobody. 442 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 3: It is interesting because I knowing and this is a 443 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: weird relationship to have with you since we had never met. 444 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: Is I spent those nights with your dad in days 445 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: as well, But I never really thought until later about 446 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 3: the family dynamic because we were in those nights where 447 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: we're out in Manhattan or we're doing whatever, and it 448 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 3: wasn't really the time to have kids around or to 449 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: have I know, and so and so I never thought 450 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 3: much of it because in those nights, we're just drinking wine, 451 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 3: having a steak or whatever. So I didn't think, Hey, 452 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: where's your daughter or yes. 453 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: And it wasn't weird that he was you know what 454 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: I mean. 455 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 3: It wasn't It wasn't weird that he wasn't talking about 456 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 3: you in those moments. And it would have been weird 457 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: if I had said, well, tell me about your family. 458 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: You know, we're just we're just shooting the ship and 459 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 3: having a great time. 460 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: I understand, I got the whole time. 461 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: And it wasn't until later when I when you came 462 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 3: to prominence and I put this connection together and I'm like, wait, 463 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 3: oh my god, that's Bobby Frankel's daughter. What a weird 464 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: way to get to know Bethany Frankel, because everyone knew 465 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: you so differently than how I was getting to know you. Oh, 466 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 3: totally different, different lens altogether. 467 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: And I had a whole life on the racetrack obviously 468 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: as a kid going to Saratogai didn't go to camp. 469 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: I was going to the bedding windows. I was going 470 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: to Vegas for three weeks in a row. 471 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: The backside of a horse track is is a very 472 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 3: interesting place to grow up. 473 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 2: I grew up there and I was a hot walker, 474 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: no way. 475 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: So obviously the person who kind of walks the horses 476 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: and gets them out and goes in the circle and 477 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 3: that is crazy down. 478 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: That's why people don't know the expression ridden hard and 479 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: put away wet about a woman. It's because it's a fill. 480 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: It's a horse that hasn't been cooled down after their work. 481 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 3: How weird that we have this connection. Yeah, it was 482 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: the last time you talked horse racing with anybody. 483 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: Never, like I never Bobby Flay a little, but really 484 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: it's very little Dave Portnoy, very minimally. 485 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 486 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: Also I think of someone like Dave port and is 487 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: like not an imposter, but like a late like I 488 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: was eating pizza at this Pemona guard and before he 489 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: was born, Like he's talking on horse racing because he 490 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: came and like I've been. I grew up at the 491 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: racetrack literally hanging out the jockeys and the jockeys agents 492 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: and walking horses, and so it's one I feel like, I, 493 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm part of that club. And if I 494 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: ever go back, it's. 495 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 3: Like, you know, well tell me this. And it's a 496 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: weird question to ask somebody now that your dad has gone, 497 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 3: I have fun memories of him. Is that a bad thing? 498 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: No? 499 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: I have fond memories of like his charm and his 500 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: like his sparkle and his charm and and frankly, and 501 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: we think about genetics in being the best, like people don't. 502 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't say it, so I don't know why I'm 503 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: saying people don't believe me. But when I say this 504 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: next sentence out loud, people would be like, what, I 505 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: didn't know that, Like he was probably top ten in 506 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: history at that. 507 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 3: No, he is a legend, an absolute hall of fame 508 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 3: legend in the sport. 509 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but no one knows that because I never talked. 510 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: And every time there's an article and they say to me, 511 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: tell us something we don't know about you, I never 512 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: say that. 513 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: I don't know why. 514 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: I never think about like that. My father's a hall 515 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: of fame, Like he's in the Hall of fame. 516 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 3: No, he's like a Bill Belichick, right coaches slash trainers. 517 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what these people do. He's one of 518 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 3: the biggest races. He's he was worth, you know, he 519 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: won millions and millions and millions of. 520 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 2: Dollars he did. But how weird? 521 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: Is this? 522 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: So okay? 523 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: So first of all, there's something connected with me and 524 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: him just genetically and like winning, Like I was raised 525 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: like that. Nobody cares who came second in Derby by 526 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: a nose. It doesn't matter, like who, You're never going 527 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: to hear that name, So who gives a shit? So 528 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm like a winner, like I'm gonna win or I'm 529 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: not doing. 530 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: It, like it's finishing second at the Olympics. 531 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: Period, Like we could sleep or we could do it, 532 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: but I don't want to do the middle. So I like, 533 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: like winning or not participating, those are my two options. 534 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 1: So I see that from there. And then I had 535 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: a lot of money noise growing up because I like 536 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: never knew where my stepfather. We would have six cars 537 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: in the driveway and then we would only have a 538 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: card table and he'd be borrowing money for me to 539 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: pay off a bookie. Like it was very high low, 540 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: very degenerate racetrack lifestyle. I grew up with, so I 541 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: never felt safe with money, and he didn't really help 542 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: me that much he wanted. He just didn't really help me. 543 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: He kind of wanted to keep me down. And like 544 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: I'd go to the derby and he would be bragging 545 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: to a bunch of people about all these tickets he 546 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: has and he should sell them, and I'd be begging 547 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: friends or people to get in, like he never want 548 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: to be Yes, he wouldn't. He didn't help me in 549 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: that way. He just had this thing with me. 550 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: It was weird. So I ended up making more money 551 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: than him. 552 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: And I know that sounds ridiculous and I never think 553 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: about it, but I'm thinking about it now. And I 554 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: know because I know when he died, he left me. 555 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 3: Well, is it safe to say you got the because 556 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 3: I do see attributes And again this is weird because 557 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 3: I know your dad. I see these attributes in you 558 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: of you are a badass like you. You know, I 559 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: dare somebody to tell Bethany Frankel you can't do this 560 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: or no, and so, yeah, this drive. But do you 561 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: think you maybe took that as hopefully the next generation does, 562 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 3: and you you bettered it. You're a better person in 563 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: the way you you apply these things absolutely. 564 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: And also that now that I'd never think about this, 565 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: but he was entirely unfiltered think about it. He would 566 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: say anything to anyone and he didn't care. 567 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: He didn't He was such a good interview. 568 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: Right, do you want to go to dinner? No, Like, 569 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: that's how I am. 570 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: Like, we don't need to get into like lube and 571 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: like for play and like after cigarettes. 572 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: Like no, Like he would just say I don't want 573 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: to go. That's me. 574 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: If I don't want to do something, I'll just say 575 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. I don't go like, 576 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: oh I have a thing with the but I'm like, yeah, no, 577 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 1: I don't think I want to do that. 578 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 3: Why your dad was a tough interview like that too. 579 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: If you asked a stupid question, he'd be like, that 580 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: was a dumbas quoe. Yeah, he wouldn't say dumb ass, 581 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 3: but he would say that. He's like he would let 582 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: you know, you're like, damn, that was he's New York. 583 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: It's like that, it's that New York. 584 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: Yes, and then some but yeah, So anyway, he was 585 00:24:45,119 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: very successful that interview that happened that that was on 586 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: the Today Show. It's a lesson. By the way you 587 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: have gone through this, this is a good full circle 588 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: thing we can do. I was doing a Father's Day 589 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: episode and it was kind of relevant because it didn't 590 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: really apply to me. I wasn't about to celebrate Father's Day, Like, 591 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: let's not bullshit. He never even would never call me, 592 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: and he'd barely call me on my birthday. 593 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 2: He didn't call. 594 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: So I added that piece of information on the Today 595 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: Show during the Father's Day segment. But not everything needs 596 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: to be said, as I'm sure you've learned. 597 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: It's true, it's. 598 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: A fact he wasn't a great father and I didn't 599 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: really have a father, but it did not need to 600 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: be said. So when I say that to you, I'm 601 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: curious because we're living in the world of like, be 602 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: honest and be upfront and use your voice and say something. 603 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: But at what call you can't make a mistake. Then 604 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: you said something and the moment within a corporate infrastructure, 605 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: and it might have been different if you said it 606 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: now in your podcast, because not everything needs to be said, 607 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: and things should be said differently in different places. 608 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: By the way, one of my least favorite sentences in 609 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: the world is your your your silence is deafening. That 610 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: drives me nuts, you know, because people kind of want 611 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 3: to set you up to to fail. 612 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: Right. 613 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: It's like say something, say something, say something. You didn't 614 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: say it, right, It's just like you're never going to 615 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 3: and you know this, You're never going to please everybody. 616 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: And if you go around trying to please everybody, all 617 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 3: you're going to do is fail everybody. Like there was 618 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 3: there was a thing with you the other day. I 619 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 3: don't know if it's the other day, but recently you 620 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: spoke out against you were critical of the Housewives, right 621 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 3: of the franchise or whatever. And your your quote was 622 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: something about like, yeah, look I loved it. I was 623 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: a part of it. But I can also be critical 624 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 3: of it. I can be honest about it, right, And 625 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 3: I know that. 626 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny because I'm not supposed to be 627 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to speak on it or have a 628 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: podcast that breaks it down because I left and have 629 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: said negative things about it. Well, who said, what do 630 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: you mean? You can't talk about your you might have 631 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: hated your college. You can't talk about it. 632 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: Right, and you and two things can. And this is 633 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 3: the toughest thing about speaking out is two things and Actually, 634 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 3: many things can be true at the same time. I 635 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: can love my time on The Bachelor, I can love 636 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: that franchise, I can understand how it changed television. Same 637 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 3: thing with Housewives. I can also be very critical of 638 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: it and understand that it was problematic in many ways 639 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 3: and there were things that I would love to have 640 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: changed that I couldn't or whatever. And same thing with 641 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: you and Housewives. So all those things can be true 642 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: at the same time exactly. So how can I just 643 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 3: make one blanket statement and encapsulate all that you can't? No? 644 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: And how can you make one mistake? And it's like 645 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: why was it such a big deal? Like why can't 646 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: someone make a mistake? People made way worse mistakes and 647 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: be was it the environment you were in? If you 648 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: made the mistake on your podcast, would it be as 649 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: big of a deal, And what would you change? Like 650 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: how give me write the script differently? You say the 651 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,239 Speaker 1: same thing, but like what happens? How do you handle it? 652 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: Because this is helpful for people who get into trouble 653 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: at work, say something stupid at a wedding, just fuck 654 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: up in general, like we're alas, we should be allowed 655 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: to fuck up. 656 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 3: Well, nobody should be defined by one moment in their life, 657 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 3: in my opinion, and definitely not defined by one vulnerable, 658 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 3: low or disappointing moment. You know, I was a firm 659 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: believer when I went through what I went through. That 660 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: the foundation I've laid my entire life, the man, I 661 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: am the dad, I am the friend, I am the host, 662 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 3: I was the employee. All that that foundation that I 663 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: worked on for three decades almost would be the decider. 664 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 3: The best thing I could have done, if I had 665 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 3: it to do over, which was control my own narrative. 666 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: What the traditional going on Good Morning America couldn't have 667 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: been a bigger mistake I would. I would urge anybody, 668 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: if you have something real to say, do not go 669 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: on Good Morning America. Ever, if you want to do 670 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: a fluff piece, if you want to promote something great, 671 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 3: but if you honestly have something serious to say, don't 672 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: let somebody like Good Morning America control your narrative, control 673 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: the message. So that I would have changed where I 674 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: would have gone on social media, gone on YouTube, gone 675 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: on Instagram, and just spoken to you just like this. 676 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: It's also the other two things, this two pronged thing 677 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 3: of controlling my own message I would have spoken. The 678 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: other thing is leadership. When you do work for somebody, 679 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 3: you are kind of under their thumb, right, you need 680 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: some leadership. If someone of leadership, someone in a position 681 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: of strength, will fill that void when they're when those 682 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: two girls are chirping, right, and they just keep chirping 683 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: and chirping and churning things out. The only people that 684 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: can stamp that and stop that message is someone in 685 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: a power position, someone of leadership. If someone of leadership says, hey, 686 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: Chris Harrison's been with us for twenty years, he's a 687 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: good man. We know this. Do we agree with Do 688 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: we agree with what he said? No, look we don't 689 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: agree with it by any means or whatever. But that's 690 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: his own words. But we know this man to be 691 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 3: an amazing guy who will stand up for anybody and 692 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: jump in front of a bus. He is our guy. 693 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: We're moving on, period. 694 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: But that's why you have your own platform, because it's 695 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: frightening to. 696 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: Be But if people of leadership won't do that, they 697 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 3: just leave you kind of hung out to dry, right. 698 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: And so if no one fills that void, it allows 699 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: this vacuum and it allows everybody to just keep talking 700 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: and talking and printing articles and the wildfire continues and 701 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: all they had to do was just bon't done. We're 702 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 3: moving on, right. 703 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: But the message for people who don't you can't know, 704 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: You can't be a wizard and know what the powers 705 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: that be are going to do to protect you. So 706 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: you have to find ways to protect yourself is what 707 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: the advice that I would give. 708 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: You have to protect. 709 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: Yourself because like you, so I was on Bravo and 710 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: I was lost at sea for like twenty one to 711 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: twenty four hours with thank God it and bring my 712 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: baby with me in Nantucket to block on. It sounded 713 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: like a crazy story. It sounded like a made for 714 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: reality TV story. The entire crew was not shooting anymore. 715 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: They it was crazy and everyone was saying it was 716 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: a made up story. It was a fake story, and 717 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: no one corrected it at Bravo. Like I went on 718 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: with Matt Lower in the morning and like had to 719 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: sort of try to defend myself like you on Good 720 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: Morning America. But it really was like for not and 721 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: who cares now, But it felt like a thing that 722 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: I had to go defend when it really happened, And 723 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: it would have been great if they were just like, 724 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: this is preposterous. It absolutely happened. They were like, we 725 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: don't get in the position of defending people or commenting 726 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: on stories. 727 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, you gotta comment it happened. 728 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, and you're right. They're like, oh, 729 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: we don't comment because you go back to something you 730 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: said earlier in the show. They play scared, they live scared. 731 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 3: They are you know, the executives and many companies and 732 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: networks are just the same. They try to get through 733 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 3: the day without making a decision and if they do 734 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 3: have to make a decision, and don't be culpable for 735 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 3: that decision. And so they with me, they were trying 736 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: to just see which way the wind blows. Yeah, and 737 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: when you're in it, when you're the human being that's 738 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 3: in it, that's great. Because Disney's not going anywhere, ABC's 739 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 3: not going anywhere, but I will. 740 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: You're replaceable. 741 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so if you try to be loyal to 742 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 3: these people and you try to play the game, because 743 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: I'm an unbelievably loyal person to a fault, and I 744 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: tried to just please everybody and apologize and keep doing 745 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: what they were asking. Well, if they're not going to 746 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: do their part, and step up. That leaves you in 747 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 3: the lurch, and that leaves you in a very dangerous position. 748 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 3: So to your point, you're exactly right. My advice would 749 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: be do what's best for you. And that's not always 750 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: what the business that you work for is going to 751 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: tell you, and it's not always what your boss is 752 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: going to tell you, because they're going to do what's 753 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: right for them. 754 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: But I would say if you're a person who's trying 755 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: to do the right thing and loyal and pleasing and 756 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: been in this business for this many years, it probably 757 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: was something ultimately to have happened to you. Because you're 758 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: in a new life now, you're you're engaged, it's a 759 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,479 Speaker 1: second chapter. You have your kids. It's different at our 760 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: age you wonder what the purpose of everything is? What 761 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: is my purpose? What am I doing? Like it just 762 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: comes up at this age it's weird, like what does 763 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: this soul mean? 764 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: You experienced? You know, like this is the age for that. 765 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: It's like a weird midlife crisis adjacent So you needed 766 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: something to fucking shake up the snow globe. 767 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 3: I think, oh my god, I use that same analogy 768 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 3: all the time. And it needed there needed to be 769 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: some sort of catastrophic event to rip that band aid 770 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: off or else. I was just going to you know, 771 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: I was on the Titanic and I was just gonna 772 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: like I was the guy playing the violin on the Titanic, 773 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 3: and I was just going to go down and the 774 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 3: water's coming up above me, and I'm like, how lovely 775 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: is this? 776 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: Yes, nothing's happened. Something has to happen, something has. 777 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: To happen to rip that apart. And it did, and 778 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: it it was a it's terrible to say this because 779 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: I went through it and it was horrific, but it 780 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: was a beautiful event in my life that I will 781 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 3: actually be grateful for when it's all said and done. 782 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: It's probably the reason why I'm I'm getting married. It's 783 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 3: probably the reason why my relationship with my kids is 784 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 3: ten times better than it ever was, my relationship with 785 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: my friends. I am at peace, I'm at ease. I'm 786 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 3: a better person. And that's not to take a dig 787 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 3: at all on the show that I worked for for 788 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 3: twenty years. Again, I will be the first to say 789 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: I am grateful it changed my life, oh ye. But 790 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 3: at the same time, that specific moment, that total shift 791 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 3: in my life was beautiful and I will always be 792 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 3: grateful for that too. 793 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: No, that was the iceberg to use your now, that 794 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: was the iceberg and you had to either sink or swim, 795 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, something has to happen for something 796 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: to happen a lot in our lives at our at 797 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: the stage of our lives that we're in. You get 798 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: some stage and you're like, what, some's got to go down? 799 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 3: Like, well, I always try to. I always try to 800 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 3: challenge myself, and I think you're the same way because 801 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: I've seen so many of your businesses and how successful 802 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 3: you are, and I always would like, why did you 803 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: write a book? It's like, well, I wrote a book 804 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 3: because I'd never written one. I had to be scared. 805 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 3: And why did you do a podcast? I don't know, 806 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 3: I'd never tried it before, and so I try. That's 807 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 3: what sports always was for me, and maybe horse racing 808 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: tiny bit was for you. Is being scared that. I 809 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 3: love the fear of failure. I love the ability to fail. 810 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 3: Even when I was going through what I went through, 811 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 3: I never worried about myself. I knew I was going 812 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 3: to be fine because I'm always going to be fine. 813 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 3: I will make something happen in my life. I don't 814 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 3: care if I'm waiting tables or I'm a bartender, I'm 815 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 3: a real estate agent. I'm going to go do something 816 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 3: and I'm like you, I will be the best at it, 817 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: or I will try to be the best at it. 818 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 3: So I was never scared about me. It's just that 819 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 3: drive and that ability to fail to me is exciting. 820 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, you're on the edge. 821 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 4: If you loved this episode with Chris Harrison, don't worry. 822 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 4: There's more. Head over to his podcast, The Most Dramatic 823 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 4: Podcast Ever to check out the rest of our conversation. 824 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 4: You can listen wherever you get your podcasts.