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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the live edition on Thursday of Fair Territory.

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Speaker 1: As you can see, we have brought in a pinch

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Speaker 1: but we've got the star, the host of Foul Territory.

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Speaker 1: That would be Scott Braun, and Scott is joining us. Scott,

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Speaker 1: We've got a ton to talk about with the World

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Speaker 2: Ken, great to see.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very excited the last Fair Territory here before

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Speaker 3: things with the lead. So I want to attack our

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Speaker 3: World Series preview with a look at legacies. We have

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to start this off with a shout

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Speaker 1: out to our producer Jeremy Meyer. This was his idea,

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Speaker 1: and it's a really good idea because yes, we've talked

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Speaker 1: So we've got a list here of a number of people,

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Speaker 3: because the commissioner has been talking and we've been observing

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Speaker 2: So do you want to start with the check swings?

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Speaker 3: they do. That is not their identity. Some teams thrive

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Speaker 3: doing that. It's a home run hitting team. Let's keep

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Speaker 3: it simple. If they do that, I'll give them the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get to one that's actually free agent related

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Speaker 1: been this year. The other thing is we have not

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Speaker 1: seen since twenty thirteen the two teams with the best

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Speaker 1: records in the major leagues in the World Series. We're

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Speaker 1: seeing that this year. That's a good thing. In fact,

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Speaker 1: if we had not seen it, there would have been

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Speaker 1: a lot of complaints again about hey, is this playoff

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Speaker 1: system working? Why are these big, better teams getting knocked off?

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Speaker 1: All of that. So it's a situation where obviously everyone's

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Speaker 1: going to have their opinion based on where they live

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Speaker 1: and who they root for. But just from a sheer

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Speaker 1: baseball perspective, the sheer beauty of the sport, what we

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Speaker 1: love about this sport, I think that it's pretty compelling

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Speaker 1: what we're about to see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll bring this up to if we did have

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Speaker 3: a bunch of seeds, the top seeds get upset just now,

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Speaker 3: can I do think it would have been a huge

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Speaker 3: topic of conversations, no doubt about territory. Every day we

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Speaker 3: deal with the with the complaints, which I love to address. Yes,

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Speaker 3: but if it happened yet again, yeah, I think it would

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Speaker 3: have been a huge issue. But yeah, three out of

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Speaker 3: the four teams that had to buy, we're able to

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Speaker 3: advance and then you've got the top two teams, So

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Speaker 3: let's have fun with it. If it's happening every single season,

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Speaker 3: that's another conversation. But it's really hard to see that

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Speaker 3: happening with the amount of injuries that we have in baseball,

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Speaker 3: and also with just the variants that we see in

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Speaker 3: the postseason, think we're in good shape. We'll ask Stan Kasten,

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Speaker 3: who's president of the Dodgers for a long time. He's

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Speaker 3: been in the game for a long time. He's joining

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Speaker 3: us on foul territory, so we'll ask him about this.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll have a good opinion on the business

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Speaker 3: side of baseball. So we'll get to that. Let's get

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Speaker 3: one more grill and Ken question in there. Does Cole

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Speaker 3: opt out this offseason? This question from Nicholas. At one

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Speaker 3: point Ken before the elbow injury for Cole, we were like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's automatic. You know, he can opt out the Yankees

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Speaker 3: at the one year, so it makes it a ten

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Speaker 3: year deal. Everyone's happy. Now I'm like, well, he's not

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Speaker 3: pitching great and it's really the medical concerns. Is there

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Speaker 3: a long term elbow issue? Does that turn into more

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Speaker 3: of a storyline this offseason?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. And the deal is this, if

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Speaker 1: he opts out, the Yankees can add another year to

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Speaker 1: his contract at thirty six million, which is his average salary,

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Speaker 1: and that will be that he stays, and he stays

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Speaker 1: through ten years instead of nine. I don't see why

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't exercise that because let's say, for example, in

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Speaker 1: a worst case scenario, the Yankees say, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to pick up that extra year. Well guess what, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna get a lot more than what he's left. Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe not a lot more, but he'll get more, I think,

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Speaker 1: or at least close to what he's still do on

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Speaker 1: the open market. So he's still Garrett Cole. And yes,

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Speaker 1: the injury thing does raise a particular concern. I don't

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Speaker 1: know exactly how much money he has left on that

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Speaker 1: deal in front. I don't have it in front of me.

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Speaker 1: But I still say this resolves the way we all

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Speaker 1: think it's going to resolve. He opts out, the Yankees

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Speaker 1: make him opt in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's certainly been worth the investment so

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Speaker 3: far for the Anks, There's no doubt about that. Hey,

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Speaker 3: let's give a shout out to Baseballism for being a

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest contact hitters, especially of all time,

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Speaker 3: and someone who you know, makes me feel really nostalgic

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Speaker 3: about the sport. And I get it, you need hit

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Speaker 3: home runs in the modern game to be good, but

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Speaker 3: I just I so enjoy watching Luisa rise Ken, I

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Speaker 3: so enjoy watching Stephen Kwan and what he was able

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Speaker 3: to do. Just now, those are the types of guys

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Speaker 3: that remind me of Tony Gwinn. So in this moment,

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Speaker 3: we'll just point out that the New York Yankees had

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Speaker 3: their dynasty running, including in nineteen ninety eight. That's when

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Speaker 3: they took on the San Diego Padres and the Padres lost,

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Speaker 3: but Tony Gwinn hit five hundred in that losing effort.

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Speaker 3: And again, just want to remind everyone, even if you're

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Speaker 3: a fan of the Yankees and Dodgers, you don't know

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Speaker 3: how often you'll get to the World Series. The Yanks

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Speaker 3: haven't been here since two thousand and nine, So do

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Speaker 3: you remember anything from that time period?

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember the ninety eight World Series for one

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Speaker 1: reason only Game one, Tino Martinez got a call in

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Speaker 1: his favor against Mark Langston and the whole series seemed

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Speaker 1: to turn. And I know Padre fans still talk about it.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a great call. So who knows how this

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Speaker 1: thing would have played out. But the one thing I

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Speaker 1: remember about Gwynn obviously was yes, he had that great

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Speaker 1: postseason and people will say, well, who are the best

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Speaker 1: players to have great postseasons and not to win a

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Speaker 1: World Series in that postseason? Bonds in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: two sticks out. He had an unbelievable postseason. And I

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Speaker 1: know again for everyone listening out there and watching, yes,

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Speaker 1: he was alleged to have used performance enhancing drugs during

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Speaker 1: that time. The bottom line is, at that time, what

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Speaker 1: we knew, he was having an amazing postseason. The Giants

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Speaker 1: lost to the Angels in seven. So this is the

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Speaker 1: beauty of it. These are the memories we take with us,

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Speaker 1: and this is what happens in October. By the way,

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Speaker 1: getting back to Cole, I just looked it up. So

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Speaker 1: he's got four years one forty four remaining, He's thirty

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Speaker 1: four years old. Would he get that on the open market,

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Speaker 1: I would expect he would. I don't know that it's

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Speaker 1: a guarantee. But his agent, Scott Bors, has never been

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Speaker 1: afraid in these situations, so I would expect this plays

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Speaker 1: out just as I said, he ops out. They had

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Speaker 1: the thirty six million for one more year and that's that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it gives you leverage two and you've made so

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Speaker 3: much money. As Gara Cole has to be like, I

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Speaker 3: challenge you. You want to let me go to free agency

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Speaker 3: and see what happens. Okay, So the Yankees are in

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Speaker 3: a position where they don't have to worry about that problem.

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Speaker 3: They'll have other problems to worry about, like keeping Wan Soto.

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Speaker 3: So it's a good call. Yes, shout out here on

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Speaker 3: the back end, as I'll say bye to baseball. Isn't

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Speaker 3: the official lifestyle brand of baseball If you want to

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Speaker 3: They just have awesome, awesome apparel and they're a proud

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Speaker 3: sponsor of Fair Territory. Well, Ken, this was awesome. Obviously

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Speaker 3: I loved filling in pinch hitting. Alana will be back

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Speaker 3: with you next week. You'll be back early next week

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Speaker 3: and also most importantly have a great call along with

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Speaker 3: Joe Davison, John Smoltz and Tom Berducci on Fox.

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Speaker 2: We're looking forward to it and we'll see you tomorrow

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Speaker 2: on Foul Territory.

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Speaker 1: Right, great, Scott, Yeah, thanks for filling in here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: To everyone on Foul Pinchador extraordinary, Scott Braun awesome. Now

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Speaker 1: we still have dude and Dork of the Week left.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Alana is not going to contribute her choices this week,

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Speaker 1: but I will give mine and we'll start with the

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Speaker 1: Dude of the Week as we always do. Now, I

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Speaker 1: had two Dudes of the Week in mind. I'm still

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Speaker 1: going to name them the Dudes of the Week, but

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Speaker 1: I want to mention someone else before we get started.

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Speaker 1: This just came out this morning in a column by

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Speaker 1: Bill Plashki of The La Times, who talked about the Dodgers'

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Speaker 1: radio broadcaster Charlie Steiner. And Charlie has been missing in action.

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Speaker 1: He is dealing with cancer and I just want to

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Speaker 1: send out my best to Charlie's one of the great

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Speaker 1: people in the game. He's broadcast the Yankees, he's broadcast

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers. It's kind of crushing him that he can't

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Speaker 1: be in the middle of this whole thing. But all

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Speaker 1: we want to do is wish him the best. So Charlie,

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Speaker 1: get well soon. We're thinking of you and we want

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Speaker 1: you back in the ballpark as soon as possible. My

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Speaker 1: Dudes of the Week are two guys talked about at

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Speaker 1: the top of the show. Two guys that I don't

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Speaker 1: know might have been in jeopardy of losing their jobs

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Speaker 1: if this postseason did not go differently. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: the World Series managers Dave Roberts and Aaron Boone. Now,

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Speaker 1: each guy in his particular city, among his particular fan

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Speaker 1: base is not always the most popular. We know that

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Speaker 1: that's part of the job. Those guys accept it, and

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Speaker 1: yet at the same time they've endured. Granted they have

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Speaker 1: great teams and a lot of money behind their rosters.

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Speaker 1: We all know this. But at the same time, they

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Speaker 1: have still done what they needed to do. They got

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Speaker 1: to this point and we'll see what happens from here.

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Speaker 1: It's also interesting that Dave Roberts is the UCLA guy,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Boone is a usc guy. They competed against each

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Speaker 1: other in college. They competed each other against each other

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Speaker 1: in the American League playoffs.

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Speaker 2: We all remember that.

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Speaker 1: So hats off to both of them. They got to

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Speaker 1: this point, dudes of the week, And now let's go

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Speaker 1: to the John Fisher dork of the week. All right,

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Speaker 1: I've got a little bit of a different kind of

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Speaker 1: dork of the week this week for this particular honor,

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Speaker 1: or dishonor as we should call it. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: six teams, six that I know of, and there might

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Speaker 1: be more. I might be missing a few, and if

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Speaker 1: you guys want to point that out, that's fine with me.

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Speaker 1: But my dork of the week or dorks of the

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Speaker 1: week are all of the teams that have fired hitting

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Speaker 1: coaches this offseason. There are six six twenty percent of

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Speaker 1: the sport have changed hitting coaches. I'm talking about Minnesota, Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Toronto, Cincinnati, and Atlanta. Now, in some of

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Speaker 1: these cases, obviously, yes, a new voice might be warranted

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Speaker 1: and that might be the way to go. But in

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Speaker 1: a general sense, what I'm tired of in this sport

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Speaker 1: is these guys, the hitting coaches, constantly getting scapegoaded. All

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Speaker 1: we hear about, oh, hitting has never been more difficult

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Speaker 1: in the sport. Yeah, no kidding, it's never been more difficult,

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Speaker 1: and yet you dump these guys the moment you can,

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Speaker 1: because they're easy targets, a lot easier firing a hitting

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Speaker 1: coach than it is firing a manager. And it's also

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Speaker 1: interesting to me that the Twins fire David Popkins, five

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Speaker 1: minutes later he's with the Blue Jays, The Orioles get

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Speaker 1: rid of Matt borg shoulder or at least didn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: commit to him, and then five minutes later he's with

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Speaker 1: the Twins. It's just musical chairs, and it's silliness, and

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Speaker 1: it needs to be pointed out all of those teams.

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Speaker 1: And I know you have your explanations and your rationales.

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Speaker 1: I get it, but in general, the scapegoating of hitting

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Speaker 1: coaches in this sport dorks of the week. So that

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Speaker 1: is it for our show today. We will be back,

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Speaker 1: of course, we will be Monday, I think Monday entering

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Speaker 1: Game three of the World Series, and that will be

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Speaker 1: me Ken Rosendahl alone and will join you. Then I

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Speaker 1: want to thank everyone for watching, for listening, for your questions.

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