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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky with you, Buck,

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Speaker 3: what's going on man now?

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Speaker 2: Man, great weekend, Happy Father's Day to you.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you had an opportunity to give with the

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Speaker 4: Like it's always a great time to kind of reflect

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Speaker 4: like you have Father's Day, you have Fourth of July,

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Speaker 4: and then this football season. Yeah, so that's where we're at. Like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, it starts to really speed up on.

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Speaker 3: You had a great trip this last week. Buck went

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Speaker 3: You get a chance to visit there with coach Napier

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Speaker 3: what a setup. It's a little different than the quote

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Speaker 3: my mind. And I'll get you on this topic before

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Speaker 3: a minute. But my thought was nil. The college experience now,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever been better. And I don't

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Speaker 3: I'm getting these I'm getting this training, these facilities, the

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Speaker 3: I just don't know if it's ever been better to

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's ever been better.

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Speaker 4: And I think if you're really smart and you have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I also think of all these different factors.

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Speaker 4: Now everyone is beginning to take advantage of that opportunity.

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Speaker 3: But it's about having a plan. Is really that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a meat grinder for those schools, and you

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Speaker 3: Years, no doubt. Well, I mean that's again, well, plenty

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Speaker 3: from the SEC to a former Big twelve player here

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Speaker 3: Chris Harris join the show. Chris Man, First of all,

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Speaker 3: thanks for taking some time in the off season over

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Speaker 3: the summer here. I know we all try and get

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a break, so we appreciate you

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Speaker 3: taking some time for us today.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no problem, man, y'all been great for me

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Speaker 1: over my career. Man, So it's definitely fun to come

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Speaker 1: up here talk football with you guys.

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Speaker 5: Man, it's always fun.

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Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate you taking the time, man, we want

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Speaker 3: to spend today. We've had a chance to visit with

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Speaker 3: you so many times over the years and and enjoyed

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Speaker 3: those conversations talking about the league and what's going on.

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Speaker 3: But this is specific conversation we wanted to have with you,

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Speaker 3: and that is about the transition, the challenge, uh, and

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Speaker 3: then the keys to being successful as an undrafted player.

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Speaker 3: You go back to you and your process coming out

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Speaker 3: of Kansas. You go undrafted, no combine, invite, like the

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Speaker 3: deck is stacked against you. So let's start first of

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Speaker 3: all there, what was your mindset at the time as

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Speaker 3: you realize, Okay, we've made it through the draft, I'm undrafted,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Luckily I was blessed that well, it was

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Speaker 1: it was, I would say it was. It was a

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Speaker 1: negative and a positive. Right, we had that lockout, so

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Speaker 1: I got to go up to once the lockout was lifted,

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Speaker 1: I got to be with the team faster than the

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Speaker 1: other rookies because they hadn't signed their contract, their rookie

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Speaker 5: It was the new CBA, and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, nobody knew like the you know, the beginning guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know the issue now Now it's not

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Speaker 1: an issue now because now everybody knows the slots of

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Speaker 1: the quarterback number one pick all the way down, right,

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Speaker 1: But at that time, it was the first year, so

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Speaker 1: nobody really understood how much Cam Newton was gonna get.

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Speaker 1: So Von and a lot of those guys didn't get

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Speaker 5: So that gave me an opportunity to show what I

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Speaker 1: So and that was the advantage for me being able

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Speaker 1: as the lockout was lifted, I was picked up literally

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Speaker 1: and some of the vets that were there that could

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Speaker 5: So that was a wake up call right there for me.

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Speaker 1: First day, you know, just seeing how cutthroat it was,

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Speaker 4: Shape, you know, Chris, and thinking about that because you

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Speaker 4: got that rude awakening right away.

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Speaker 2: They had the conditioning test, they seen guys home.

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Speaker 4: What is that like though, like, because it's different coming in,

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Speaker 4: Like I was a second round pick, so you kind

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Speaker 2: Then the vets kind of take you in.

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Speaker 4: But as an undrafted like you're looking around and all

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Speaker 4: coaches say, don't count the numbers, but what is your

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Speaker 4: facility knowing that you're living on the bubble in a

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it was hard because you know, when you're undrafted,

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Speaker 1: they don't never change the depth chart.

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Speaker 5: You know. I was staying at number ten the whole way,

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Speaker 1: So it's like you can't look at the depth chart, right,

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Speaker 1: You can't look at a lot of the outside things.

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Speaker 1: You just got to play ball and try to control

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Speaker 1: whatever you can control. And my mindset was is, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna prove what I can do. I know

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Speaker 1: they're not they're going to give me a little reps

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Speaker 1: on the twos, you know, but most of my rep's

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Speaker 5: Right here with these threes. So when we go against

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Speaker 5: the ones, that's when I need to make some plays.

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Speaker 1: Right when I go against Brandon Lloyd or Decker at

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Speaker 1: that time, you know, I got to make plays.

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Speaker 5: So that was my mindset. Luckily, I had great vets.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had Champ Bayley, Brian Dawkins, I had

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Speaker 1: Man so got the Champ, you know, he gave me confidence.

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Speaker 1: You know, probably after after you've seen me play for

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Speaker 1: like a week a month in camp, he was like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: So he kind of he definitely took me under his wing.

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Speaker 3: One of the things we always talk about with kids

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Speaker 3: we talk about the importance of pen and paper of

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Speaker 3: you know, how you look in the room and you

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Speaker 3: look around. The guy who doesn't have a pen in

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Speaker 3: his hand. Okay, I feel good about winning that competition.

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Speaker 3: Like how important was it for you? You talked about

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Speaker 3: those vets. You know, you can ask them questions, but

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Speaker 3: at some point in time too, you got to observe

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Speaker 3: and you got to you gotta learn things and take notes.

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Speaker 3: How how was your process of really trying to collect

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Speaker 3: all this valuable information to give yourself a chance.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man, I was lucky to play three positions in college.

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Speaker 1: You know, I started, I played corner three years and

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: So coming in the NFL, damn, I had like three

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Speaker 1: So coming in the league, I was pretty smart from

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Speaker 1: much Doc told me like, hey man, you got to

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Speaker 1: You gotta Nicol has to run the show. So you know,

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Speaker 1: they kind of let me know. I got to communicate

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Speaker 1: took that as my own as that's my job, you know,

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Speaker 1: the coverages run the show. But that's what helped me

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Speaker 1: having that under experience, right, starting forty plus games in

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Speaker 1: can't make any mistakes.

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Speaker 5: Your mistakes aren't.

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Speaker 1: Limited, right, you can't make I can't make the same

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Speaker 1: mistakes as von Miller or rightheem Moore. Right, My mistakes

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Speaker 1: the difference that the undrafted, your margin for air is

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's funny, Chris.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that I struggled with in my

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Speaker 4: career is having the confidence is one thing, but pulling

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Speaker 4: there are times where you're like, man, they line up

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Speaker 4: to let it go because all that other stuff is

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Speaker 4: in your head about man, if I make a mistake,

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Speaker 4: I may go home. What was it about you that

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Speaker 4: for it, I see it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going for.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: I think probably I'm probably the most competitive guy too,

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Speaker 1: probably when it comes to not wanting to lose, you know,

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Speaker 1: that was me and the Key.

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Speaker 5: We're probably the most competitive people.

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Speaker 1: You'll you'll know we don't like to lose anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: that competitive drive. But that that's what really That's another

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Speaker 1: thing that kept me in the league, right there, Bucket,

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Speaker 1: care if I got beat You beat me two times

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Speaker 1: that was my That's what really, you know, kept me

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Speaker 1: you see, if they they drown out, you know, they

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Speaker 1: the you know, the mental toughness times you know in

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Speaker 5: They can't give up, give up touchdowns to a B

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Speaker 1: Back and line up again. A lot of people can't

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Speaker 1: was luckily to have that competitive nature that you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, that's what really separated me from a lot

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Speaker 3: It's interesting you use that word because I was trying

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Speaker 3: like what you know, your experience, well, how does that

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Speaker 3: I was I was going back through your draft class.

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Speaker 3: You know, another undrafted guy from your year was Doug

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Speaker 3: Baldwin and Doug and Bucky and I both scouted him

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Speaker 3: like that was the way he played was ultra competitive,

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Speaker 3: ultra tough. You guys were both, I think, three sport guys.

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Speaker 3: You had multiple sports coming out of high school, which

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Speaker 3: feels like you guys kept that like that, that drive in,

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Speaker 3: that competitiveness of an undrafted player throughout your entire career,

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Speaker 3: even after the contracts, you know, keep piling up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah oh yeah, man.

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Speaker 1: And he's the perfect example, right of just dominating on

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Speaker 5: So, you know, very similar stories.

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Speaker 1: Always love facing Doug and seeing how his career went,

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Speaker 5: I'm starting out there on the field, so that his

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Speaker 5: same way that he made.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of similar to mines man, and that's what

441
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Speaker 1: that's kind of a lot of the routes that you're

442
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Speaker 1: gonna have to take it as an undrafted guy.

443
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Speaker 5: You better be dominated on special teams.

444
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Speaker 1: You better find a role on the team right there,

445
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Speaker 1: so you can secure the fifty three man roster and

446
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Speaker 1: then work your way up. But a lot of guys, man,

447
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, bucket, they don't want to play special teams.

448
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Speaker 1: They don't want to you know, they don't want to

449
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Speaker 1: do that hard job at gunner right. I'm pretty sure

450
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Speaker 1: me and Balwin was that gunner, right. But he was

451
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Speaker 1: blocking kicks. That's what Doug was doing. Does was blocking

452
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Speaker 1: putts and things like that. But you have you better

453
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Speaker 1: find a role on special teams if you're an undrafted guy.

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Speaker 4: You know, and thinking about that, because I think so

455
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Speaker 4: much of what we can learn is through the teaching.

456
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Speaker 4: So if I'm an undrafted player. I come to camp

457
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Speaker 4: and I'm playing behind you, Chris, and I say, Chris,

458
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Speaker 4: how can I make the team? How our cart a career?

459
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Speaker 4: What's the number one thing that you're gonna tell me?

460
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Speaker 4: As an undrafted special.

461
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Speaker 1: Teams You gotta find a role on special teams, right,

462
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Speaker 1: You gotta find a role that's going to secure you

463
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Speaker 1: on the fifty three besides playing at your position right,

464
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Speaker 1: because a lot of times, coming into the league, they

465
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Speaker 1: already know who they have starting right.

466
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Speaker 5: It's very you rarely come.

467
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Speaker 1: Into the league and they have two corner spots open, right.

468
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Speaker 1: They might have one, they might have a nickel, they

469
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Speaker 1: might have some competition open at the two spot, but rarely,

470
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of teams already have their corner

471
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Speaker 1: set right, So you got to figure out a way

472
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Speaker 1: to carver away on special teams, make sure I get

473
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Speaker 1: some value, and then eventually through injuries or they see

474
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Speaker 1: that you're competing well or maybe this guy is not producing.

475
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Speaker 5: Now I can find my way to get on the field.

476
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Speaker 1: Right, and sometimes it's good the way as a rookie,

477
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Speaker 1: a couple of games, right, I think it was good

478
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Speaker 1: for me to watch a couple of games three games,

479
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Speaker 1: you know, and then see how it is, you know,

480
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Speaker 1: see how it is when docking them out there, really

481
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Speaker 1: communicating and hitting and champing them or playing you know.

482
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Speaker 1: So it was good for a couple of games to

483
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Speaker 1: see and then when it's time to go out there,

484
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Speaker 1: you ready to play.

485
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Speaker 3: I just wrote down on my paper here. You better

486
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Speaker 3: know everything and you be wadered to do anything like

487
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Speaker 3: it sounds like those are key components if you're going

488
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Speaker 3: to get out there, If a coach has the faith

489
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Speaker 3: that you're going to know what to do, and then

490
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Speaker 3: you have a willingness to do anything they ask you

491
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Speaker 3: to do. It feels like that that's kind of what

492
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Speaker 3: we're getting to. That's a big part of this equation.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because you're playing for the ground man.

494
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Speaker 1: Now, you're playing with people that are, you know, trying

495
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Speaker 1: to take care of their five kids, trying to take

496
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Speaker 1: care of their.

497
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Speaker 5: Family, their households.

498
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Speaker 1: So you don't want a little kid to come out

499
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Speaker 1: there and play with you and not be able to communicate,

500
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Speaker 1: not know the cause, not understand the game plan right,

501
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: understanding motion and different things like that. There's a lot

502
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Speaker 1: to an NFL game when it comes to preparation, right

503
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Speaker 1: It's a reason why it takes three or four days

504
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: to get ready for a game, right. It's not easy, right,

505
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Speaker 1: especially with the offenses and the things that they're doing

506
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Speaker 1: so well. You gotta be on point mentally because if

507
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Speaker 1: you're under if you understand the game plan, you understand

508
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: the scheme, what are you gonna do.

509
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Speaker 5: You're gonna play fast, You're not gonna think right.

510
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: Everything is gonna be your moments is just gonna be

511
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: fully just based off football, because you know what to do,

512
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: you know where the line up, So the easiest, the

513
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Speaker 1: easier you can do to make that for you to

514
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Speaker 1: go out there and have success.

515
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Speaker 5: That's how you make the team right there.

516
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Speaker 4: You know, Chris, when I was in Green bay Ron

517
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Speaker 4: with the general manager, you used to love to hire

518
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Speaker 4: former players to scout. And what I want to do

519
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Speaker 4: is I want to tap into your experience as a

520
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Speaker 4: player to kind of get a little insight in terms

521
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Speaker 4: of what you would look for in a player that

522
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Speaker 4: you would want to play with you. So when you're

523
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Speaker 4: scouting dbs and you're scouting defensive players, or they ask

524
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Speaker 4: you about a player when you're in Denver, what what

525
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Speaker 4: are you looking for from a mentality? Or a football

526
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 4: character's standpoint in a teammate.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, first thing you know is is he competitive?

528
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Speaker 5: Is he a dog? Right? Well? He compete when it's hard.

529
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Speaker 5: You know.

530
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Speaker 1: You don't see that a lot, right, And the ones

531
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Speaker 1: that do have that, you know, those are usually the

532
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: probos are all pro guys, right, But that's what you're

533
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Speaker 1: you're really looking for.

534
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Speaker 5: You want to see it. Can I count on this

535
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 5: guy opposite of me? Right?

536
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Speaker 1: I can count on Robi He's he's a dog. I

537
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Speaker 1: could count on to leave champion. Those guys, you know

538
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Speaker 1: that they are going to compete, right, And that's all

539
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Speaker 1: you want really, right If you know, if you've got

540
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Speaker 1: somebody that can fight for you on the other side

541
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Speaker 1: and compete, you.

542
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Speaker 5: Know, I'll lay them up with you. You know.

543
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Speaker 1: I had to do that with a lot of young corners,

544
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Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know, those guys went out

545
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Speaker 1: there and.

546
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Speaker 5: Played hard, So I can live with that. At the

547
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Speaker 5: end of the day.

548
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Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna you know, everybody's gonna be perfect,

549
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Speaker 1: you know, especially with technique coming into the league. But

550
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Speaker 1: that's something that we could mow. Are you coachable?

551
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Speaker 5: Right? Uh? You want to have a kid that's coachable.

552
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Speaker 1: A lot of these coaches have been coaching longer than

553
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Speaker 1: what we've been playing, right, so they understand the game.

554
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Speaker 5: They've been in the NFL longer than that. Then how

555
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 5: older then older than us? You know what I mean?

556
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 5: I mean? So, can you be coachable? Can you learn?

557
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 5: Do you want to learn? Right? Are you interested? Do

558
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: you love the game? Right?

559
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Speaker 1: A lot of people might not truly love the game,

560
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Speaker 1: They might love the stuff that come with the game, right,

561
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Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure Aaron Donald loved the game.

562
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Speaker 2: Right.

563
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Speaker 5: Uh, So you gotta That's what I'm looking for. Are

564
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Speaker 5: you competitive? Do you how much do you love the game?

565
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Speaker 1: Do you are are you in tuning in and trying

566
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Speaker 1: to study, trying to get better in improvement?

567
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Speaker 5: And that's why I want to see if you do that,

568
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Speaker 5: I can work with you, man, We can work with you.

569
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Speaker 3: All Right, We're going to take a quick break and

570
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Speaker 3: we will be back with more from Chris Harris. One

571
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Speaker 3: of the other things that we've talked about, and we

572
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Speaker 3: kind of step outside the undrafted role here on this

573
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Speaker 3: conversation with Chris. When you look at offensive line, we

574
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Speaker 3: have a tomato can theory. So the tomato can theory

575
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Speaker 3: is that you're only as good as your worst lineman.

576
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Speaker 3: So if you've got three all pros, another really good player,

577
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Speaker 3: but then one terrible play, well guess what Guys like

578
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Speaker 3: Aaron Donald just mentioned, that's who he's gonna go against

579
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Speaker 3: every single time. We haven't applied that necessarily to the secondary.

580
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Speaker 3: Is that is that applicable in your opinion, to your

581
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 3: kind of as strong as your weakest link in the secondary?

582
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Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt, man, because now they could pick

583
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: you apart. Now you can't hide anymore, right, Usually you

584
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: can kind of hide that corner, you know, put some

585
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: cover two on them. Real you can't run cover too

586
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: the whole game. It's gonna be a time period with

587
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: that guy's gonna be one on one, right, So you

588
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: can't hide guys anymore, especially in this scheme, in this NFL.

589
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Speaker 5: So you know it's no running right, We're gonna find

590
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 5: you eventually.

591
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Speaker 1: The top corner is gonna the top corner is gonna

592
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Speaker 1: be a man probably fifty percent of the time, sixty

593
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Speaker 1: percent of the time, so you're gonna be able to

594
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Speaker 1: catch him.

595
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Speaker 5: Also, so the way this league is.

596
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Speaker 1: Going, there's no hiding, there's no you're gonna be found out.

597
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: There's now there's seventeen weeks now, right, so you got

598
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Speaker 1: seventeen weeks to be try to be consistent as possible,

599
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Speaker 1: and eventually, you know you're gonna get beat in the

600
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Speaker 1: NFL if you play corner.

601
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Speaker 5: You're going against these receivers. Yeah, it's gonna happen.

602
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Speaker 3: By the way, don't don't don't don't name names. I'm

603
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Speaker 3: not gonna ask you to do that. I'm not put

604
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Speaker 3: anybody on blast here. But have there been times with

605
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Speaker 3: maybe due to injury or maybe just poor evaluation, where

606
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Speaker 3: you've wind up and just gone like, man, this dude

607
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: over here, we got no chance because they're gonna Ah.

608
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Speaker 1: Definitely, you know, definitely, you know we had sometimes when

609
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: to leave left, but it was definitely hard, you know,

610
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: once he moved on.

611
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Speaker 5: But you know I had, I went through a string

612
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Speaker 5: of corners, you know.

613
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Speaker 1: But I won't say that they didn't have the technique

614
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Speaker 1: or or I would say they were just you know young.

615
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Speaker 5: You know, I'm kind of throwing the fire and still

616
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 5: needed some more work.

617
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Speaker 1: Some guys, don't, you know, they don't come in the league,

618
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Speaker 1: you know, all rookie team.

619
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Speaker 5: You know, it doesn't happen like that.

620
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Speaker 1: Sometimes they need about three or four years to get that,

621
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Speaker 1: and you know, not everybody gets that opportunity to get

622
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Speaker 1: those years of development, right. So I was luckily to

623
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: have guys that wanted to work and wanted to get better.

624
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: But you know, they weren't there out all the way,

625
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, as a playmaker yet.

626
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 5: So now they're doing now I see him, Now, they're

627
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 5: doing a lot better.

628
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Speaker 1: You know, they're you know a lot of those guys

629
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Speaker 1: I played with there, you know, are doing pretty well.

630
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 5: You know, Isaac Adam, he's a guy.

631
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Speaker 1: You know, he struggled a little bit with me at

632
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: when Denver you go, I was with him with the Saints.

633
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: I see how much he improved, and he just got

634
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: a nice deal with the forty nine ers and I'm

635
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: pretty sure he's gonna make an impact on that team

636
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: to get back to the super.

637
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 5: Bowl this year. So he's a he's a guy right there.

638
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: I would say that that started in raw, but he

639
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: wanted it and he continued to improve as his career continued.

640
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Speaker 4: Okay, Chris, I'm gonna say this, like having known you

641
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: and got to know you, you strike me as one

642
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: of those best.

643
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Speaker 2: It's kind of like the best that you encountered.

644
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Speaker 4: So when I was in Kansas City, my best were

645
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: dal Carter, James Hasty and those guys, and they were

646
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 4: Mark McMillan. They were very demanding on me as the

647
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: dime coming in. They would say, hey, man, you know

648
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: where the balls going, It's going to you. You got

649
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: to hold up your end of the deal. And so

650
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: it strikes me that Brian Dawkins and Champ Baby put

651
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: that kind of pressure on you. Can you talk about

652
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: that positive benefits of the peer pressure in the position

653
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: room and how it can make you a better player

654
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: if you embrace it.

655
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: No, oh man, because they already had a high standard.

656
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: We already know like it's Hall of Fame. So ain't

657
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: no talking back, Ain't no saying.

658
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 5: No, I don't want to do this, right. You just

659
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 5: gotta fall in line, right. And I was luckily that

660
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 5: we had meetings with no coaches. Right.

661
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there, I get a whole hour every

662
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: day for a full season to steady film and watch

663
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: film with no coaches with be Dark and Champ and

664
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Speaker 1: Andre Goodman.

665
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Speaker 5: Right, that's a dream come true as a corner right

666
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 5: as the dB.

667
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: So you know that was it was very important for

668
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: those guys to set the standard to also give me

669
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: so much confidence, right, they struck so much, They gave

670
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: me so much confidence.

671
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 5: Hey, we believe in you. We know you can play.

672
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: When you get out there, just make sure you ready.

673
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: We love your competitives, competitiveness. I'm telling Coach Fox. They're

674
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: telling Coach Fox to.

675
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 5: Throw me in right.

676
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: So now when I have vets telling them telling the

677
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: coaches to put me in that, my confidence is off

678
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: the roofs now.

679
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 5: I'm about to go really now.

680
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: Not only am I about to go play hard for

681
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: the team, but I'm about to go play extra hard

682
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: for these guys because they put their they stuck their

683
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: neck out for me, so as an undrafted guy. So

684
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, that was my mindset and that kind of

685
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: has to be a mindset for all the vets right

686
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: come in. You know, try to give them as much

687
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: as knowledge as they want. But you know, some vets

688
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: get turned off because a lot of these guys are

689
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: they don't really love the game, you know, So I

690
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: think dark and champion them seeing I love the game.

691
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: They've seen I was competitive, and those guys went all

692
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: in as being a VET towards me.

693
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: A mentor towards me for sure.

694
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: Today.

695
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 4: So I was telling you about my VID James Hasty. So, Chris,

696
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: if you can imagine, we wouldn't meet on Tuesdays.

697
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: He would come in at nine o'clock. He said, Buck,

698
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: you need to be at eight o'clock and at eight o'clock.

699
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: From eight o'clock to nine o'clock. We're playing Seattle this week.

700
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: We have Joey Galloway.

701
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: I want you to study him, and I want you

702
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: to give me a report on Joey Galloway by the

703
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: time I get here.

704
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: That's the kind of demand that he put on me.

705
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: And much like you talked about those guys going to

706
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: bath for you for coach Fox, he did the same

707
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: thing for me when it came to Gunther and Marty Schottenheimer.

708
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: When it comes to your preparation process, and this is more.

709
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 4: Of a defensive back question, what are the things that

710
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: you're looking for on tape to get you ready to

711
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 4: play against a high level wide receiver?

712
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, you're looking at of course, you want

713
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: to look at his route tendency. You know where he

714
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: likes to line up, where his splits is if it's run,

715
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: is he and what does he do with his hands

716
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: as they relax or if it's run, if his past

717
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: is it getting his hands ready to make it is

718
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: grit is ready. He's more in his stance things like

719
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: that where he likes to run his breaks. You know

720
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: a lot of receivers, you know it was a lot

721
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: of them stayed within the scheme. But you know you

722
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: had some receivers that the scheme didn't matter, right, they

723
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: let them go outside of the scheme like a Tyreek hill.

724
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 5: Like he run a lot of a lot of his routes.

725
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: You could stop on that first route.

726
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: It was the second roup, right, same thing with a

727
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: b you know, Big Ben buying extra time.

728
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 5: He could bam. He's in that second round. He's pretty

729
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: much unstopped.

730
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: The first route is already tough to stop these guys,

731
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: but now they get a second roup. So you know

732
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: you're you're you're studying everything right. And the nickel I

733
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: had to study motions, stacks, bunches, you know, covering on

734
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: the run, different splits in the slot.

735
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, covering tight everything right.

736
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: I was since playing nickel and playing I was one

737
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: of the guys that was playing corner and then third

738
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: downs having to go inside. So I had to look

739
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: at bait my outside receivers tons, all those routes from

740
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: the X and a Z get back to the slot.

741
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 5: Now, I gotta know everything to slot the tight ends.

742
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 5: Who's coming in here is running. So I had kind

743
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: of like a double.

744
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: What you say, double film study, I would say, because

745
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't just watching the left side. Hey, I'm just

746
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna watch the left side. Let's see every route that

747
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: he ab runs on the left side. No, that's not

748
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: what I had. I had to know every route that

749
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: this guy ran all over the field. Right, And when

750
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: you have those responsibilities, right, we have to be very

751
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: precise in our film watching.

752
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 5: We can't wait till the end. Right. I would have

753
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: to study on I would probably have to.

754
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: Be going over first downs, probably that Monday, so that

755
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Monday I need to know all the first down quick

756
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: game all.

757
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 5: I need to know all that on Monday because I have.

758
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: So much that I have information that I have to

759
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: bring in from outside and the inside.

760
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 5: So I have to study a little bit more extra.

761
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 5: So I would start my.

762
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Preparation on Mondays working first down, past play action, quick game,

763
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: second second. On my Tuesday, you know, I'm still Now

764
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm really working on their their deep plays.

765
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 5: Right, what are the deep shots that they won throughout

766
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: this season?

767
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: Right?

768
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 5: And big?

769
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: They're big plays that they've been successful on. Now I'm

770
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: going through that. I need to know what plays could

771
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: have hurt me if I'm in this coverage, if they

772
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: might they love to run this versus coverage, if I

773
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: may cover for.

774
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 5: Okay, what's the best route? Oh, I'm getting a post

775
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 5: right here.

776
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: Right.

777
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: We know it's coming with this team, if I get

778
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: this alignment. So it's just different things that you have.

779
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: I would have to break it down every day right

780
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: in some like you what y'all do, right, how y'all

781
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: study the draft guys, right, but you know on Thursdays,

782
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, third down, red zone, I'm having to learn

783
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: all that. I have to communicate a lot in the

784
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: red zone with the linebackers and the safeties in the corner.

785
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: So I got to make sure I know my responsibility

786
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: for all these guys.

787
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 5: So it's a full long work it's a full on

788
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 5: work schedule, you know.

789
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: And being able to that was my kind of study,

790
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: which I don't think everybody kind of prepares. Like everybody's

791
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: different and they have their own way of preparing for

792
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: a game. But that's what worked for me, and I

793
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: had to I couldn't procrastinate in my studying because I

794
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: had so much I had to know on Monday, and

795
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: my teammates were counting on me to kind of tell

796
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: them a lot of things too. You know, hey, this

797
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: team likes to run screens. I would watch a full

798
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: day on screens, right, because I pride myself for being

799
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: a screen stopper. You're not running screens versus Denver moroncos

800
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: if twenty five is in a nicros right.

801
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 5: That was my philosophy.

802
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: So every day, man, every day, you had to have

803
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: something to really master to be able to go out

804
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: there and play well.

805
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: Well. There's so much that goes into playing that position

806
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: and playing it well. And one of the things that

807
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: we've discussed over the years, and I love to get

808
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: your thoughts on it, just from when you entered the league, Chris,

809
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 3: to where it is now, the importance of tackling with

810
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: all the reduced splits you see week in and week out,

811
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: and I think McVeigh probably was the champion of that

812
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: and what they did and now the copycat league you

813
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 3: see it everywhere. But I remember when Bucky and I

814
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: started scouting in the early two thousands, we would have

815
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: this guy would be labeled as a cover corner. We're like, Ah,

816
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: he doesn't really tackle, but he's a cover corner. We

817
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: can We'll be fine with him, you know, that's what

818
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: he does. Can you play with the cover corner in

819
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: today's football, it's.

820
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 5: Gonna be hard, you know.

821
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: You know, they might give up a couple of yards,

822
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of yat now, which is hard,

823
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: and that kills the team. Yack kills the the hitting

824
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: yard just kills the defense. Now in today's game, right,

825
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: the yards have to catch now because now you're getting

826
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot more bubbles, a lot of shovel passes, a

827
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: lot of quick throws.

828
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 5: So those yak stuff add up.

829
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the game, we have one hundred

830
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: yards and yeat yards have to catch, you know, And

831
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: usually that happens because your team can't tackle right your

832
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: second day struggling with tackling, and that's it's you got

833
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: to be able to tackle nowadays, Daniel, Because I.

834
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 5: Mean, these these.

835
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: Corners now and right there, I would say they're pretty physical.

836
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: I've seen some physical but you might have one you

837
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: know what, was a guy from Clemson. He didn't like

838
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: to tackle, but his coverage skills is.

839
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: Off the charge.

840
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: Yea Wigans. Wigans is a great example. He's a tough

841
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: one for us to scout because when he if he

842
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: was coming out in two thousand and three, he'd have

843
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: been a top ten pick because it's long and fluid

844
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: and fast and ranging, can play the ball and all

845
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: those things. But then it's like, well, this is the

846
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: tackling component now, like you're gonna get brought into run fits,

847
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to defend against these quick hitters and

848
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: bubbles and things that is. It's just hard. It's a

849
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 3: harder evaluation now than maybe it would have been fifteen

850
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 3: years ago.

851
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Yes, because now we got to see these guys can

852
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: they get off how they know what I mean. We

853
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: always have to see if guys can get off blocks,

854
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: but we really got to see it now, right because

855
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot of screens, it's a lot of bubbles,

856
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: it's a lot of perimeter plays that are happening quick plays, right,

857
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: and you.

858
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 5: Got to be able to get off the block. You

859
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 5: got to be able to tackle.

860
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: And what I've seen last last year was probably one

861
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: of the worst tackling seasons in the NFL from what

862
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: I've seen. I don't know what the numbers are, but

863
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: I know the mistackles were hot, right even just watching Denver, right,

864
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: I know they probably you know, that's probably one of

865
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: the highest years of mistackles we've ever had, you know.

866
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm seeing around the league, is that

867
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: the fundamentals of that And that's just because now we're

868
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: not tackling in the offseason as much anymore. You know,

869
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: even training camp is getting waylax. There's not no hitting

870
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: really going on in training camp anymore. And now we

871
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: can see it's coming showing up in the games, and

872
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: the proper tackling fundamentals is just out the window. Really,

873
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, it was very bad last year.

874
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it that bad. Maybe it's because guys

875
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: are adjusting from you know, the nikill to kill hits,

876
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, the knockout hits or so.

877
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 5: But you know, and they didn't learn proper form.

878
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: They just learned how to just kill somebody, you know,

879
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: not they learn how to wrap up alligated tackle or

880
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: things like that. So that's what I'm seeing right now.

881
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: Maybe y'all can go look up the stats and give me.

882
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 5: To me one day. But the mis tackles were very

883
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 5: high last year.

884
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny you talk about like the mis tackles

885
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 4: and the things about like being able to get people

886
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: down in space in one on one. Well, I want

887
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: to I want to hit you with this because I

888
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 4: think it's one of the things. It's a term that

889
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: we use in scouting. That thing maybe is overused. So

890
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 4: when I tell you someone is a shut down corner,

891
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 4: what traits do you have to be a shut down corner?

892
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, man, eliminating your guy, you know, trying to

893
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: being able to eliminate them. And in college those guys

894
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: should be able to you know, watching those if they're

895
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: elite guy, they should be able to eliminate their guy, right,

896
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: especially in the college game.

897
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 5: But in the league, you know, it's really a shutting down.

898
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 5: Shutting down a receiver in the league is.

899
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: Hey, Justin Jefferson had fifty yards today, right, or you

900
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: know it's not. It's damn near impossible to keep these

901
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: guys from getting catches. Now with the way that the

902
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: schemes are, they can scheme the guys open.

903
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 5: They're moving them around all over the field, you know, and.

904
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: They can find a way to get the guy a

905
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: couple catches, right, bubbles, you know, you know, shovel screens.

906
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: There's ways the office can get you involved, now, right,

907
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: So shutting the guy down to fifty, you know, fifty

908
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: sixty around those ways, not giving up any touchdowns. Now,

909
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: if you're doing that consistently, on a consistent basis, you're

910
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: giving up three, say three to two touchdowns a year,

911
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: that's elite to me, right because especially on the island,

912
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: you're not giving up anything, and you're giving up say probably,

913
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: I look at everything, Budckie, because we gotta look at yards,

914
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: we gotta look at your targets, we gotta look at

915
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: your quarterback raiding.

916
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 5: How many touchdowns are you giving up? You know what

917
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 5: I mean? We got to look at everything, you know,

918
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 5: as a corner.

919
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: You sitting in the locker with the USA today talking about, No,

920
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 3: this dude down corner.

921
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: I'm looking at all the stats. I'm not giving him.

922
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: I'm not giving him that.

923
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 4: Moniker, because the numbers don't justify what the label it.

924
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: Like Derek Stingly, people.

925
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: Didn't realize this guy was a shutdown corner last year, right, y'all.

926
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: Missing his status and what he did just because you know,

927
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 5: of course you got a.

928
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: Rookie quarterback that was great last year. But this man

929
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: put up great numbers. That's why I said he really

930
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: had an all Pro year last year when.

931
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 5: You look at him. But you know, that's just that

932
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 5: just happens. Man. You gotta do sometimes you got to.

933
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: Go above and beyond as a shutdown corner of the

934
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: show what you can do.

935
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: And right now, I would say the top guys.

936
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, I love a certain but I think certain

937
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: hand probably needs to take it up to another level

938
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: because I think he can't take it up another level

939
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: right to be a true you know on the levels

940
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: with a lot of our era guys, know the reeves,

941
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: the Shermans to leave, you know, Pat p I think

942
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: they're almost to that level, but they're they're they're knocking

943
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: on the door, right.

944
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: The same thing with Sauce.

945
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: I think they're knocking on the door because I think

946
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: still needs to get those picks right.

947
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: He's catch the gun, but yeah, it's.

948
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 5: Covering you know Sherman. You know Sherman two point oh.

949
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: You know that's Sharon, right, I call him baby Sharon,

950
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: but without the hands because one thing Sar did he

951
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: had ball.

952
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 5: Skills, right, is gonna get the ball. So I love

953
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 5: those two guys. Stinglee.

954
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: I love the guy, uh Kansas City, probably one of

955
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: the great great Nicholas coming through.

956
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: Now mcdey's man, he's the best. He might be the best,

957
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: just pure cover guy, like if you're gonna go, yeah,

958
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: I love he might be the best.

959
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: And my fifth corner I would probably say I loved it.

960
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: I gotta keep Oz in there, so I'm gonna keep

961
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: Ramsey in there. Right he's still playing, still playing all

962
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: and uh, still making plays.

963
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 5: I love his game.

964
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: So uh, but if I want to put a younger guys,

965
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: take out Ramsey. Now, I'll put the guy from Chicago

966
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: because I love his game.

967
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 5: Johnson's gonna be Yeah, he's gonna be a nice player, man,

968
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 5: I love his game.

969
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Those would be the top five guys pretty much that

970
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: last year.

971
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 5: That was very consistent.

972
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Johnson just got himself a twenty million a year,

973
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: so he got he got rewarded for Oh yeah, uh,

974
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: I've kept you. We both kept you long here, but

975
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: we could go on forever here Chris, So this is

976
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: the last question, most important question. I'm gonna we're gonna

977
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: have a three on three basketball game. Your one, right,

978
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: So you you got one of the slots. I'm gonna

979
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: let you pick one former Kansas basketball player, and then

980
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you pick one former NFL teammate to

981
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: comprise your three man roster here for three on three hoops.

982
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: Who were going with.

983
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, m B and b oh we got We're

984
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: going MVP man O yeah, O p over for Pierce

985
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: over truth and unstoppable, unstoppable when he is healthy. I'm

986
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: going with NB uh because just because you know, I

987
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: got to see him being at Kansas.

988
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 5: Uh. But if we were going somebody in my air,

989
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 5: it was Brandon Rush. You know. I came in with

990
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 5: be Rush. So those are my guys.

991
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: So so now you gotta get you. You gotta be

992
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: firm on your squad because Bucky went to Carolina. I'm

993
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: gonna give Bucky a chance to do it. I think

994
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: you got.

995
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan's.

996
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 4: No shot, no shot, no shot to pick.

997
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 5: The truth now man that defend Jordan.

998
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with uh it be and then basketball

999
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: if it has to be NFL teammate, Yeah, NFL team,

1000
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: NFL teammate, man, I don't to leave to leave, can hoop?

1001
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with to.

1002
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 3: Leave Okay, all right, yeah against him.

1003
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 6: But it's gonna be a fighting pick up because Chris

1004
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 6: and talk the whole time. We're not gonna be able

1005
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 6: to get anything off because it's gonna get personal and

1006
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 6: we be able to squad and he has Paul Chris

1007
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 6: with him's gonna talk crazy and reckless get anything done obviously,

1008
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 6: like in North Carolina, so many choices, but you gotta

1009
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 6: take the go so you can take Michael Jordan and

1010
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 6: then for a teammate, uh from my NFL days, I'm

1011
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 6: gonna say this, like Dale Carter could play. But if

1012
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 6: I'm going to Kansas City, I'm gonna take Tony Gonzales

1013
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 6: just because Tony so I got back to and we

1014
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 6: and we're gonna do it and then you know, just

1015
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 6: gonna I'm just gonna hang out there and stay away.

1016
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 6: I'm gonna try and make sure that uh keep and

1017
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 6: Chris don't beat up on my guys doing all that

1018
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 6: crazy talking that they like to do.

1019
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna playing. I'm playing came on Tony man,

1020
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 5: and we'll find a way. We're gonna have to try

1021
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 5: to double team Jordan when we can. Man, we gotta

1022
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: figure out a way.

1023
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 6: See, but I know you guys, y'all gonna put to

1024
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 6: Jordan rules, so like y'all gonna follow.

1025
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 5: Him real.

1026
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: Any change any brings into the gym, he can't. He

1027
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: gotta come.

1028
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 3: No jewelry because keep it's gonna take.

1029
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 2: So we're just gonna make your.

1030
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 5: Head out throw it down in the m B m

1031
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 5: B B j out Man, that's true.

1032
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: I don't think they have anybody to match up with

1033
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: m B download Chris. I think that's that's your shot

1034
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: right there. Man, Hey, this is a fun way to

1035
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 3: end it. Man, this has been an awesome conversation. It

1036
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 3: is uh, it's always it's always a joy to visit

1037
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: with you. And for real, like, we have so much

1038
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: respect for you for your career, all you accomplished. I mean,

1039
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 3: just an unbelievable, unbelievable player and as everybody can tell

1040
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 3: by listening, it's just awesome dude. Man, So we appreciate you. Man.

1041
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no problem, man, thanks for having me. Man,

1042
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 5: it was fun.

1043
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Well, Buck, I I always enjoy getting a chance to

1044
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: visit with him. We've had a chance to be around him.

1045
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: I was around him when he was with the Chargers.

1046
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: We got a chance to know him. There probably an

1047
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: overused phrase, right, but just a true pro mm hm.

1048
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 4: And like like a true pro. And what I love

1049
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: about the conversation is DJ heat. When you work in

1050
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: the scouting business, you have all these things where you

1051
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 4: talk about critical factors, the traits, and the things that

1052
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 4: you look for.

1053
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: Chris Harris not embodies the trades that you.

1054
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: Look for in those underdogs who can kind of make

1055
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: their way onto your squad. But I just loved how

1056
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: he described what he would look for in a teammate.

1057
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 4: And it always comes down to the same things. And

1058
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 4: so it just leads me to believe that you and

1059
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 4: I on the right path when it comes to the

1060
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 4: guys that make it and the guys that don't, and

1061
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: how you build a team, Like when he talks about

1062
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 4: dogs and super competitive people that love the game, that

1063
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: are willing to prepare the game and do all the

1064
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 4: other stuff. The recipe is the same no matter who

1065
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 4: we hear from. Whether it's Chris Harris who's an undrafted player,

1066
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: whether it's Luke Keithley who's a top ten pick, they

1067
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 4: all have the same ingredients, and so I'm more confident

1068
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 4: than ever that the football character traits that we've talked

1069
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: about on the pod are the football trades that you

1070
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: look she need to look for in those players, because

1071
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 4: those are the ones that make it, and it gives

1072
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 4: those guys an opportunity to go from good to great

1073
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 4: when they kind of pitted in the same pool.

1074
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I go back to just how

1075
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: competitive he is. That was something that just jumped through

1076
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: the screen. We're visiting with him, and I go back

1077
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: as well too. If you're an undrafted player, it's probably

1078
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 3: a good rule of thumb for any player, but particularly

1079
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: an undrafted player. You better know everything. You get no

1080
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: room for air in terms of mental mistakes. You better

1081
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 3: know everything, and you better be willing to do anything.

1082
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: You know. Special teams, gunner, you know what do you need?

1083
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: You need me to fill in on scout team, help

1084
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: out on offense, you name it. If there's a number

1085
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: that you need to be called, it's my number. Then

1086
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: we'll figure out what the question is. But I'll be

1087
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: ready for the answer.

1088
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1089
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is.

1090
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 4: And I think you have to be ready for everything,

1091
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 4: and is one of the things that you want to

1092
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Speaker 4: convey to young players or young guys that are entering the.

1093
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Speaker 3: League, like how this is an ASP league.

1094
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Speaker 4: There's an urgency that you must carry yourself with to

1095
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 4: be able to really make the team and make contributions

1096
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: very early in your career. Chris talked about that, talked

1097
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 4: about his process with being able to have it. But

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Speaker 4: it's just really important that you kind of understand that

1099
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 4: once you move up to the big leagues, you better

1100
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: be on go and ready to go at any time

1101
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Speaker 4: to do anything, because that's how you make it in

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Speaker 4: this league.

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Speaker 3: For the I no doubt, great, great conversation, Great to

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Speaker 3: visit with him. Hope you guys enjoyed that. We will

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Speaker 3: have a few more podcasts coming your way this week.

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00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: We'll get a chance to get in a little bit

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00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 3: of that preview mode as we get a little bit

1108
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: closer to the season, so I have a chance to

1109
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: break down some of these teams, some of these divisions.

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Speaker 3: We'll have that come in your way if you're on

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00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: the lookout for that the rest of the week. But

1112
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Speaker 3: that's going to do it for us today. I hope

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Speaker 3: you guys have enjoyed it. We'll see you next time,

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Speaker 3: right here on movile sticks.