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Speaker 3: Here we go. It is a Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: We are live in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: It's the Herd.

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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting there's people out there. One of the things

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Speaker 1: I've learned over the course of my life, people that

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Speaker 1: complain a.

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Speaker 3: Lot don't create a lot. So a rule I try.

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Speaker 1: To make part of my life is I surround myself

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Speaker 1: with creators and not complainers. It's just a psychology, a

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Speaker 1: psychological truth. It's a psychological truth. I mean, Harvard's done

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Speaker 1: study optimists are more successful in life professionally than pessimists.

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Speaker 3: So when anybody rips.

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Speaker 1: On the NBA taking a stab with the NBA Cup,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't even watch the league you're just

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Speaker 1: a complainer, which means you're not a creator, which means

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Speaker 1: you're a pessimist, not an optimist. No thanks, I don't

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Speaker 1: want that life. So last night I'm watching the NBA

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Speaker 1: Cup and I'm like, the NBA got more wem beyond

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Speaker 1: TV and more New York Knicks on TV.

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Speaker 3: I'm for it. Baseball did this.

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Speaker 1: They put baseball games in London, the Yankees, Red Sox,

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Speaker 1: the Mets, Phillies. They'd put him in a cornfield. They

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Speaker 1: put him in Bristol Mortar Speedway. Rob Manfred took six

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Speaker 1: or seven swings. I mean, baseball's on a two to

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Speaker 1: three year heater. The games feel bigger, faster. I like

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Speaker 1: the NBA Cup. I think the editor about two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm walking through an area and there's six TVs on

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Speaker 1: and one of the courts is bright purple, and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: these games are different. I think it's smart. And I

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Speaker 1: watched the players play last night and.

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Speaker 3: They're into it.

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Speaker 1: I mean they were more into this than they were

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Speaker 1: during COVID playing games in Orlando where everybody missed their family.

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Speaker 3: I think the players are into it.

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Speaker 1: So all these regular seasons, the NHL, the MLS baseball,

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Speaker 1: the most willing to take big swings. Kind of push

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Speaker 1: that way by Fox Sports or managements like create events

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Speaker 1: get people talking. But like hockey created the Four Nations tournament.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a massive hit. It was a

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Speaker 1: So Silicon Valley is the most innovative place, maybe in

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Speaker 1: the world, certainly in America. Their hit rate is probably

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Speaker 1: about fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Take a swing.

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Speaker 1: Avoid people who criticize stuff yet don't consume it. Like

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Speaker 1: rural guy in the South ripping California. The weather's perfect

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Speaker 1: and the economy's the fourth biggest in the world. I

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Speaker 1: think California is doing Okay, rural Guy, maybe go there

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Speaker 1: more than once a life for Disney. Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: watched the NBA Cup. I don't know how good the

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Speaker 1: Knicks are. They don't have much of a bench, they

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Speaker 1: don't defend the three. I always feel like Karl Anthony

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Speaker 3: Og had a great night.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like the four leading odds to win

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Speaker 1: just don't know if the Knicks can match an Oka

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Speaker 1: But it felt like last night, big third quarter run,

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Speaker 1: thirteen to one run, they were into it. The league

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Speaker 3: The Knicks have a new head coach.

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Speaker 1: This may be the biggest championship they went over the

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Speaker 1: next several years. But it's a swing. It's something. I

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Speaker 1: not happy with it. I don't know again how viable

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Speaker 1: the Knicks are in the playoffs, but optimists are more

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Speaker 4: Game like this, in an environment like this, you don't

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Speaker 4: I think it's good that we that we won this.

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Speaker 5: Well with working is we wanted more games consequence, and

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Speaker 5: the players are responding, the fans are responding. Players are

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Speaker 5: I think it's becoming a new tradition in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never going to criticize one of these sports

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Speaker 1: leagues for taking swings. You know, Rob Manfred, Baseball's always

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Speaker 1: And Rob Manfred's taken a lot of heat and he's like,

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Speaker 1: we're going to speed the game up. Bigger bases, regular season,

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Speaker 1: consumable today than it was five years ago, not even close.

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Speaker 1: You can turn in for forty five minutes and get

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Speaker 1: I like the swing, I really do. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Knicks did too. All Right, So

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Speaker 1: I've been saying that you can't love Caleb Williams of

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Speaker 1: If you look at their first two years in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: it's not like one has a great coach and one

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Speaker 1: our television viewer, sorry, radio. They're the same quarterback through

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Speaker 1: two years now. Caleb's got the bigger arm and Bo's

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Speaker 1: I've been saying all year. Caleb and bow they're really

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Speaker 1: the same guy, one with a bigger arm. They're even

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Speaker 1: Next Gen came out with a stat of the fastest

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I'm getting the same guy

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Speaker 1: demanding coach durable, don't take sacks, at least this year.

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Speaker 1: Caleb's not taking sacks better in big games, better in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, which is almost never the case with

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. They're usually good on script early, bad late in.

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Speaker 1: These two are really special. I think everybody knows Caleb

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Speaker 1: And here is Caleb on his biggest game, maybe as

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Speaker 6: We've played teams that have a bunch of wins, we

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Speaker 6: play teams that don't. We've played close games, we played

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Speaker 6: games where we've beaten teams by a lot. We've played,

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Speaker 6: you know, teams, teams where we had to win with

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Speaker 6: special teams offense, defense, whatever case, running ball, whatever case.

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Speaker 6: And so I feel that we're, you know, we're ready

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Speaker 6: I like our chances us first anybody.

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Speaker 1: And I think both Denver and Bow and Chicago and Caleb.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the rosters, the coaching and what

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Speaker 1: these teams do well, they're built for the playoffs. This

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Speaker 1: is these aren't warm weather teams that are finas and

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Speaker 1: they're throwing the ball over the top. My suit Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl bubble as of this morning, and I usually have

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Speaker 1: about seven teams in it, My Super Bowl bubble has

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Speaker 1: the Rams, Seattle, and Denver as the teams that should

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Speaker 1: be favored in my Super Bowl bubble, and then the Bears, Patriots, Texans,

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Speaker 1: I have the Chargers, Niners, and Eagles out of the bubble,

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Speaker 1: but close based on what I view as an issue

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Speaker 1: that's not correctable. O line for the Chargers will eventually

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Speaker 1: be their doom defense. Saula is doing an unbelievable job,

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Speaker 1: but it's just not good enough to win multiple playoff games.

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Speaker 1: And I think you have a head coach coordinator issue

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. I don't care how good the roster is.

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Speaker 1: They've been broken since Week one. This is not like

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Speaker 1: a recent trend. They haven't had back to back great

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Speaker 1: offensive games all year. Jmack thoughts on that Super Bowl

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Speaker 7: No defending Super Bowl champion Eagles. At first blush, you

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Speaker 8: I was talking about this with someone of my podcasts

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Speaker 8: last week, Colin. I don't understand who the clear favorites

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Speaker 8: are right now.

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Speaker 3: The league is so wide open heading into.

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Speaker 8: These playoffs that at first blush, I don't totally hate

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Speaker 8: this Super Bowl bubble. I know people are scoffing. I

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Speaker 8: come on, Broncos. If the Broncos hit the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't be shocked. It's so wide open. The Chiefs

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Speaker 8: have fallen off badly. No, Joe Burrow. We don't even

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson's getting in.

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Speaker 8: I think it's why this is the most wide open

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Speaker 8: I think it's been in probably a decade, right, maybe longer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what happens is the Keno winning Super Bowls. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is either having a superstar quarterback who takes a

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Speaker 1: bit of a team friendly deal. This year's Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: and the Rams, yeah right right, or having a really

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Speaker 1: So Chicago's roster, you and I have been on this

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Speaker 1: all year. Chicago's roster is excellent. I mean, receivers tight,

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Speaker 1: They safety corner. So if you start looking at this,

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Speaker 1: it's Matt Stafford taking a team friendly deal, Sam Darnold

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Speaker 3: On rookie deals as well, CJ. Stroud as well.

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Speaker 1: The only exception I have in there is Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: and I've got them closer to being out because I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna wait till Ed Oliver gets back on the d line.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk that'll that'll help their defensive line,

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Speaker 1: it'll help their their run defense. But if you look

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and Josh Allen and the Bill. Josh Allen's the

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Speaker 7: Right now. I won't accept any other answers I got.

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Speaker 7: Win the MVP.

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Speaker 8: But what Josh Allen's doing with the Bills, Like, other

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Speaker 1: Let mean yeah, well name their splash players on defense

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Speaker 1: People say certain things and they're just not true, but

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Speaker 1: they believe them. They double down on them, they triple

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Speaker 1: interceptions this whole Sam Darnold throws too many picks. As

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Speaker 3: Problem with picks.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to love them, but I'd rather you

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Speaker 1: do these seven quarterbacks have in common, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 1: in the top eleven of interceptions this year. The fewest,

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Speaker 1: But their pocket based quarterbacks that don't create anything outside

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Speaker 3: In fact, Matt Stafford, the year.

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Speaker 1: He won the Super Bowl with the Rams, led the

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Speaker 3: From nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: To twenty fifteen, do you know who led the NFL

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Speaker 3: Peyton Manning, and he missed a year.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, folks, for the last six teams that

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Speaker 3: Whoa. But when.

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Speaker 1: He has sixteen touchdowns in one pick, when do you

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Speaker 1: which takes away guaranteed points. But if you're at midfield,

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Speaker 1: It's a change of possession. Rock Purty one of the

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Speaker 1: a swing. So this Sam Donald narrative, you can't win

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Speaker 1: big with Sam Darnald. Last two years he leads the

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Speaker 1: So also, quarterbacks who throw more often throw more picks.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles are literally trying to get Jalen Hurts to

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Speaker 1: That's what I don't want. I like Trevor Lawrence, Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen Dak the coaching staff, trust them. Think about Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Seattle is so much better this year than last. And

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Speaker 1: that's letting go of a Pro Bowl receiver DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 3: What was the only change? Sam Darnold and a new coordinator.

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Speaker 1: You guys, watch the Vikings offense this year doesn't quite

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Speaker 1: Quarterback left, same coach, same coordinator, same wide receiver, same

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Speaker 1: lost Darnald, So this whole thing. Peyton Manning in a

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Speaker 1: The world has changed. If you can make plays with

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Speaker 10: We're excited about this challenge. Obviously, it's a divisional game.

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Speaker 10: You know, playing these guys last time obviously wasn't my

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Speaker 10: we've been practicing, you know, stay in the details. But again,

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Speaker 3: It's a very good team.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting in a game in which he had four picks,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks were moving for the win because Sam may

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Speaker 1: so many big plays. I mean, think about Seattle's offense

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Speaker 1: got rid of DK Metcalf did draft a really good

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Speaker 1: left guard, but it's basically Darnald and a new coordinator.

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Speaker 1: JSN was on it the year before. I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: big swings, aggressive quarterbacks who throw occasional picks every day

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Speaker 1: of the week over underneath safeguy every day of the week.

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Speaker 1: And with that, eighteen years in the NFL. Matt Hasselbeck

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Speaker 1: joins us live, and I'm going to ask him anybody

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Speaker 1: that in that bubble that you're just diametrically opposed to

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Speaker 1: or like, I don't have Jacksonville close because I don't

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Speaker 3: Who are you dying?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: You're already smiling?

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Speaker 7: Who are you do enjoying that?

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Speaker 11: It was super entertaining for me. I was actually just

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Speaker 11: sitting there listening, kind of disappointed that I had to

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Speaker 11: come on and talk. I was enjoying it. No, you're incomplete, man,

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Speaker 11: Like you're incomplete, Like what are we doing?

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Speaker 7: Where are the Pittsburgh Steelers? Where are the Green Bay Packers?

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Speaker 11: And yes, you're hating on Jacksonville because who knows why,

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Speaker 7: You just feel like hating on them for that reason.

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Speaker 7: They're alive.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 7: I know I'm probably biased.

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Speaker 11: I lost a Super Bowl to a wild card team

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Speaker 11: that nobody gave a chance. Nobody gave a chance to them,

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Speaker 7: And it's what everybody says.

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Speaker 11: It's the team that plays the best football At the

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Speaker 11: end of the year, it doesn't matter what you did

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Speaker 11: It does not matter. So the team that's playing the best.

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Speaker 11: I love the fact that you gave Houston all that love.

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Speaker 11: Houston's exactly the kind of team that people are going

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Speaker 11: like we got issues here, Like we got issues going

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Speaker 7: This is exciting. I'm loving it.

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Speaker 11: That's why I was so entertained listening to you, you know,

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Speaker 1: So my gut feeling is I do think Caleb and Bow.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, Caleb's got more torque, although I think

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Speaker 11: Right, Yeah, he's way more polished, refined game ready to me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is there something about Bow that does that you

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Speaker 7: And how they're good. Yeah, they are good.

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Speaker 11: He gave them opportunities to lose that game. And you know,

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Speaker 7: And that's what the Broncos have.

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Speaker 11: I thought this last game was the best game I've

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Speaker 11: seen Caleb play though.

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Speaker 10: So.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback interceptions are not always on the quarterback. You have

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Speaker 1: young receivers, they don't run the right route, somebody misses

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Speaker 1: a block, you're rushed. Seven of the eleven interception leaders

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Speaker 1: in the NFL right now are like Pro Bowl level quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Darnald, Dack, Mahomes, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold tomorrow against the Rams. Are his interceptions when

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Speaker 1: you watch him not seeing something.

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Speaker 3: Reckless? Kind of his.

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Speaker 1: DNA when you look at because I thought Andrew Luck

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Speaker 1: was a guy that wasn't reckless, but he just he

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Speaker 1: was an aggressive guy and he was going to take

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Speaker 1: big swings. Because Andrew luckknw deep down, our roster's not

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Speaker 1: very good. We can't go thirteen play drives. We don't

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Speaker 1: have that on line. Sam does have a lot around him.

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Speaker 1: Why is he throwing picks in his career? What do

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Speaker 1: they look like to you?

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Speaker 11: Well, let's just go back to the about a month

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Speaker 11: ago they played the Rams. He had four interceptions in

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Speaker 11: that game, and you know, his protection wasn't great and

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Speaker 11: he was just trying too hard. You know, most of

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Speaker 11: the interceptions that I've seen.

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Speaker 7: Him throw this year.

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Speaker 11: As you know, he's just wanting it so bad. He

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Speaker 11: wants it to work. And you know, go back to

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Speaker 11: the last game against the Rams. The Rams won the game.

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Speaker 11: Sam Donald throws four interceptions, but if he only throws

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Speaker 11: three interceptions, the Seahawks win the game. And that's kind

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Speaker 11: of the mindset that I think the coaches are going

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Speaker 11: to have to get into him this week for the

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Speaker 11: Thursday night game. And I've had coaches to do this

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Speaker 11: to me as well, and they literally say it like, hey, listen,

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Speaker 11: if you just go from three interceptions to two interceptions

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Speaker 11: we went, and as a quarterback is like, oh man,

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Speaker 11: like I can do that, Like I can do that

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Speaker 11: instead of the mindset of like, hey, if ro O

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Speaker 11: line is getting you know, worked by their D line,

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Speaker 11: you got to do something heroic, you know. And just

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Speaker 11: it's like a mind it's a shift in how you're

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Speaker 11: thinking about it. And I think they're talking to him

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Speaker 11: the way that they probably talk to me or Andrew Lucker,

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Speaker 11: all the guys you mentioned, Hey, listen, we have one

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Speaker 11: of the best defenses in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: Our special teams can go win us a game.

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Speaker 11: At the end, We've got a great punter, Let him punt.

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Speaker 11: You know, those kinds of ways that you can talk

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Speaker 11: to a quarterback can kind of settle him down and

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Speaker 11: make him feel like, hey, it's not all on me.

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Speaker 11: This is not me against the league MVP, Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 7: This is me and my guys. This is me and

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Speaker 7: my team.

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Speaker 11: This is me and my specialists, my defense, Leonard Williams,

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Speaker 11: those guys against the Rams, and that mindset can kind

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Speaker 11: of free you up as a quarterback.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's what would help Sam the most.

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Speaker 1: You know, a few years ago, we watched Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: go Seattle to Denver and almost inexplicably fell off a cliff.

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Speaker 1: And I think for two years we're.

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Speaker 3: Like, what happened? Pro bol of this?

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Speaker 1: And then I watched Tua over the last year and

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Speaker 1: a half fall off a cliff. And they're both smaller

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who part of their gift early was a little

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Speaker 1: elusiveness could move the pocket. Kyler Murray feels like he

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Speaker 1: has dropped off a cliff.

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Speaker 3: I've been in the same room with you.

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Speaker 1: You're about six', four maybe a little, taller And i've

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Speaker 1: said this IS i don't want to HEAR i see

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Speaker 1: This vanderbilt. Quarterback people are, like, oh And i'm, Like

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Speaker 1: i'm not touching. THAT i saw him in a, Picture Dylan.

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Speaker 1: GABRIEL i saw him in a picture with other. Quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: i'm not drafting. That you tell me did your SIZE

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Speaker 1: i don't know what you weighed two. Twenty did your

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Speaker 1: size help you through the years with all those punitive?

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Speaker 11: Hits, yeah probably more like two forty even. Today but, no,

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Speaker 11: Listen i'm not a guy that's gonna hate on somebody

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Speaker 11: because of their. Height if you're a, player you're a.

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Speaker 11: Player you're a, baller you're a. Leader you're a guy

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Speaker 11: that can protect the. Ball you can do it on.

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Speaker 11: FIELD i think two is ACTUALLY i don't Think tua

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Speaker 11: played his worst game this last. GAME i think he

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Speaker 11: played always played all. YEAR i think what got too

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Speaker 11: a bench was a lack of, grittiness like a lack of,

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Speaker 11: toughness a lack Of he has no ability to do

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Speaker 11: anything with his. Legs he takes sacks that don't need

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Speaker 11: to be taken in they're double digits minus, twelve minus.

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Speaker 11: Eleven third and, one you go to scramble year third and.

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Speaker 11: Two you slide too, early LIKE i think it's that

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Speaker 11: that that kind of like like frustration from the head,

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Speaker 11: coach where it's like we need someone to like put

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Speaker 11: this team on their back and like send.

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Speaker 7: Message and that's what you get so excited.

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Speaker 11: About when like a non running quarterback runs for a first,

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Speaker 11: down it's, like all, right we got, them here we.

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Speaker 11: Go that's WHERE i Think tua needs to like step

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Speaker 11: up his. Game he had one interception that wasn't what

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Speaker 11: it was because they're not turning the page to somebody

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Speaker 11: who's going to all of a sudden do better like you're.

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Speaker 11: Not i'm not expecting either one of those, quarterbacks based

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Speaker 11: on what they've shown this, year to do any better Than.

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Speaker 11: Tua this is this is a financial decision and them,

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Speaker 11: saying you know, what we would rather pay you fifty

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Speaker 11: four million dollars to not be our quarterback next year

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Speaker 11: because we are frustrated that you don't have what we

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Speaker 11: see out of guys Like Justin herbert and other guys

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Speaker 11: that we Admire Josh.

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Speaker 7: Allen that's the, frustration and it's.

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Speaker 11: Unfortunate Maybe twoo pulls himself out of, it maybe he

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Speaker 11: gets another, opportunity but it certainly doesn't look like it's

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Speaker 11: going to happen In.

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Speaker 1: Miami So i'm Watching Josh allen right. Now he's four

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Speaker 1: and oh this year when his defense has given up

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Speaker 1: thirty one or more, points the rest of the league

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Speaker 1: is like six and. Eighty and SOMETIMES i wonder If

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Speaker 1: josh would have Inherited Andy reid And Travis, kelcey AND

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Speaker 1: i think to myself And mahomes went To buffalo with

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Speaker 1: a defensive, coach would their careers be. DIFFERENT i Think John,

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Speaker 1: elway WHEN i was a kid or, younger was the

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Speaker 1: best most talented Quarterback i've ever, seen arm, Movement stanford,

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Speaker 1: guy just, toughness. EVERYTHING i look At josh And i'm, like,

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Speaker 1: well he's.

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Speaker 3: More talented Than. Mahomes he's bigger and.

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Speaker 1: Stronger do you see that or do you still Think

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Speaker 1: mahomes has a magic that's why he's got the trophies

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Speaker 1: that Maybe josh doesn't.

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Speaker 7: HAVE i Think.

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Speaker 11: Josh allen ended up exactly where he needed to end.

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Speaker 11: Up you, know if you remember he came into the,

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Speaker 11: draft there was a little bit of you, know it

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Speaker 11: wasn't super, smooth and he went To buffalo and he

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Speaker 11: kind of hit a little bit from the from the

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Speaker 11: spotlight a little bit and he. Developed and of all

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Speaker 11: the quarterbacks That i've sort of evaluated or watched or

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Speaker 11: even just been a fan, OF i thought That Josh

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Speaker 11: allen made the biggest improvement from college to THE nfl

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Speaker 11: in a two year.

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Speaker 7: SPAN i, mean he.

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Speaker 11: Was absolutely amazing once he once it clicked for him

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Speaker 11: in THE, nfl and he has never looked.

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Speaker 7: Back and to, me you, know the defense is a.

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Speaker 11: Problem the defense is a problem if you're trying to

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Speaker 11: hoist The. Lombardi but this is a guy that can

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Speaker 11: literally put his team on his. Back he can go

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Speaker 11: above the x's and. O's if THE mvp is truly

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Speaker 11: just THE mvp and not necessarily how your team is

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Speaker 11: doing and all that kind of. Stuff Josh allen would

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Speaker 11: be that. Guy he's the'se. Otherworldly oh my team's down

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Speaker 11: twenty one to nothing to the team that's going to

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Speaker 11: be the one, seed The New England, Patriots no big,

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Speaker 11: deal let's, go let's go win it on the, Road

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Speaker 11: no big.

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Speaker 7: Deal that's kind of who he. Is and when you

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Speaker 7: have that kind.

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Speaker 11: Of, grittiness, competitiveness, belief not only your teammates believe in

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Speaker 11: you that, way but the, opponent the opposing, coaches they're, like, ah,

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Speaker 11: shoot you know It's Josh allen's on the other. Side

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Speaker 11: that's what everyone's looking for when they say franchise, quarterback

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Speaker 11: and The Buffalo bills have, it AND i mean they

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Speaker 11: are so lucky and fortunate to have.

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Speaker 1: Them Matt hasselbecks always appreciate you stopping, by and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you after a great weekend On, Monday, buddy