1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode can dat spoilers for the Last of 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Us Season one, streaming now on HBO and Max. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: And also the first game, The Last of Us, because 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: it is adapting that game. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 3: So if you haven't played that. 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: Or watched the show, maybe don't listen to this, or 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: maybe do, but be warned there we'll be spoilers. 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Hello. My name is Jason Sepsion and I am Rosie Knight, 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: and welcome back to X Revision, the podcast where we 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: culture company from my Ora podcast. We'll read three episodes 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, plus news. 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are recapping season one of the 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: Last of Us. If you listen to the pod when 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: the first series was out, we were visiting that every 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: episode and talking about it, so you can listen to 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: those episodes. But if you don't want to do that 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: and you just want to listen to it in one episode, 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: we have that right here for you now. And remember, 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: our next book club will be focused on Thunderbolts Issue 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: one from nineteen ninety seven by Kurt. 22 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: Buziak and Mark Bagley. 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: To prepare us for the movie in May, so you 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: just have to read one issue can read it, and 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: Marvel Unlimited can grab it from your local comic shop 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: potentially or maybe eBay. So yeah, check that one out 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: and join us in the X ray Vision book Club. 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: Let's talk the Last of Us. Okay, this is the 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: recap for season one of the Last of Us, and 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: we're here to get you ready for the Last of 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: Us Season two. Maybe you're doing a rewatch. Maybe you're 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: not doing a rewatch and you're just gonna jump in. 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: Maybe you're like, I don't want to miss the train. 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 1: I want to get on season two, but I didn't 35 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: watch all of season one. Well, we're here to be 36 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: your cheat sheet. Essentially The Last of Us, of course, 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: television show by Craig Mason of Chernobyl Fame and Neil 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Druckman of Naughty Dog Creative Brain, Naughty Dog being the 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: studio that created the Last of Us game, and this is, 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: of course, the live action television adaptation of the Last 41 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: of Us, a groundbreaking third person action game, and it 42 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: opens with the real world the last hours basically of 43 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: the world as we know it. There is an outbreak 44 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: of some unknown virus or something that we will soon 45 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: learn is a fungus. A cordyceps outbreak which turns humans 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 1: into basically zombies kicks off a zombie outbreak that happens 47 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: lightning fast. We meet Joel, who is a construction contractor 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: with the single dad with a daughter. He is a 49 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: no nonsense, blue collar guy and when this outbreak happens, 50 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: he you know, must spirit his daughter Sarah to safety. 51 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: There is a chase through town. It is white knuckle stuff. 52 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: They are trying to escape as just like rioting and 53 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: violence is breaking out everywhere. But the car crashes, Joel 54 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: gets out. He's carrying Sarah. She gets shot by a soldier, 55 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: the soldiers who have been ordered to basically seal off 56 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: this town and kill anybody that gets out. And honestly, 57 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: seeing what this fungus is capable of, I sadly get 58 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: it like. 59 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: You know, like and it establishes essentially Joel's journey from 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: here on out. 61 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: And also I just want to say, like, they did 62 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: such a brilliant job. 63 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: It's a fasting Sarah and she is so fantastic and 64 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: is played by the daughter of the Wan de Newton 65 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: oh Nico Parker, uh, and she is so good and 66 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: the pair of them here have such a good chemistry 67 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: that even though perhaps we can understand the actions of 68 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: the government and the soldier who is very scared in 69 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: that moment, yeah, you feel the horror and heartbreak of 70 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: what happened to Joel here and how that will go 71 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: onto shape both his ass the rest of the Coast journey, we. 72 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: Flash forward twenty years. Society is hanging on by a 73 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: thread in various refuges that are like these military encampments 74 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: that are dotted around the country. We meet Joel in 75 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: one in Boston, where he is now basically a smuggler 76 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: of pill bills and other items we assume with his 77 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: smuggling partner in crime tests and we get the feeling 78 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: from Joel's demeanor and from conversation city as with tests 79 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: and from conversations you have throughout this series, that he's 80 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: done really bad things in the intervening twenty years. Murder, 81 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: a robbery, probably. 82 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: Probable torture to get information. 83 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: It's whatever he needed to do, certainly in the in 84 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: the in the days when everything was falling apart, whatever 85 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: he needed to do to survive, including probably killing people 86 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: for their stuff so he could escape et cetera, et cetera, 87 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: et cetera. He's dead inside now and one of his contacts, 88 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: a firefly leader, a leader of a group called the 89 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: Fireflies named Marlene, comes to Joel and offers him in 90 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: tests like a very very important smuggling job, and so 91 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: they take it. The cargo turns out to be a 92 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: girl named Ellie, who is you know, fourteen and very 93 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: sharp witted and cantankerous, and apparently, we learn immune to infection. 94 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: She's been bitten and it healed. This is a first, 95 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: This is shocking, and so the Fireflies want to get 96 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: her to their secret lab where they can study her 97 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: and hopefully get a cure to infection and save the world. Basically, 98 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: because outside of these military encampments, everything has fallen apart 99 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: and these fungal zombies are fucking everywhere and have mutated. 100 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: It needs to even stronger, more terrifying versions of just 101 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: the regular ones that are running around. They sneak out, 102 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: things immediately go sideways. They have to kill people. They 103 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: have to kill people, and this is where Tess and 104 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: Joel discover that Ellie has a bite but has not 105 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: become infected, and this is shocking. We go to Episode two, 106 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: Ellie her existence and the fact that she is immune 107 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: is incredibly shocking to them. They move through a ruined Boston, 108 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: surviving various encounters with zombies, including clickers. Clickers. Yes, Rosie, 109 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: would you like to tell us what the clickers are? 110 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: The clickers are a terrifying variation of the mushroom zombie 111 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: that hunts you with sound, and if you played the game, 112 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: feels like it hates you personally, like. 113 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: You slept with its wife, Like this thing is going 114 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: to hunt you down in a way that feels so horrific. 115 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: And I want to say episode two of this series, 116 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: I think is really an incredible feat of adapting a 117 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: video game, because there are so many moments here where 118 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: you feel like you are playing those early parts of 119 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: the game where you are trying sneaking around and trying 120 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: to avoid these new versions of the zombies because you 121 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: just because you don't know. 122 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, one there they're very hard to evade and you 123 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: have to be very quiet. And two you're so right 124 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: because at this stage of the game when you encounter 125 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: the clickers, you really don't have the weaponry. No, you 126 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: should or are leveled up to deal with it like 127 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: you have you probably have max five bullets in your gun. 128 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: Basically I have to. 129 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: Spend is not going to do it. 130 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: You're going to make. 131 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: Molotov cocktails and explode them to distract them. 132 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: And I really like the There is. 133 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: A kind of false dichotomy presented in the Last of 134 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: Us games, which if you've ever done this, I salute you. 135 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: But there is an early part of the game where 136 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: you believe, Okay, maybe I could get through this game 137 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: just by stealth. Maybe I don't have to kill a 138 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: federal soldier. Maybe I can you know, sure, I'll kill 139 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: a zombie, but they're like mutated, but. 140 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: I don't have to kill any humans. And you learn 141 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: very quickly that's not. 142 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: Going to ask to be right, and that's part of 143 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: the game is to think, well, what would I do 144 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: in this situation? 145 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: Who would I sacrifice? 146 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: And yeah, once the clickers get involved, I'm killing every 147 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: federick guy up there in the way because these people 148 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: you're not going to survive them, and they're so scary, 149 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: and the show does an absolutely incredible job of bringing 150 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,599 Speaker 2: them to life with practical effects and also. 151 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: Just the way that they shoot and sound design. 152 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 2: The sequences where we start to meet the clickers. 153 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: So Joel, Tests and Ellie get to the meet up 154 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: point where the fireflies are supposed to pick up Ellie 155 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: and the handoff is supposed to happen, but it gets 156 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: overrun by clickers and CORDYCEP zombies in general. Ellie's bitten again. 157 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: She's fine because she's immune. Test gets bitten and she 158 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: starts to. 159 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: Turn absolutely not fine. 160 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: And this is again the person that Joel has shared 161 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: a very fucked up existence with for the last decade plus. 162 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: And she goes out, you know, blaze of glory, and 163 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: Joel picks up Ellie and they leave. We go to 164 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: episode three, which is, you know, probably the standout, not 165 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: just the standout episode I think of the series, but 166 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: one of the best episodes of television in the last 167 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: five years, probably easy. Joel and Ellie come to a 168 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: town that is kind of like a booby trapped off 169 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: and they meet Bill, who is this kind of like 170 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: doomsday prepper type guy, and he's been living in this 171 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: bunker with power, with plumbing, with water, the whole thing 172 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: since the world collapsed. He's got food, he's got an 173 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: arsenal of gun and explosives, and we get the story 174 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: of how he came to be there. He in the 175 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: days after the world collapsed, set up all these defenses, 176 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: went to the local power station and made sure that 177 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: it was still running to deliver him power. He was 178 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: ready for it. He set up all these booby traps 179 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: for the Cordysceep zombies to fall in. And then one 180 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: day this guy, Frank, falls into one of his traps, 181 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: and Frank was escaping one of the like Fedra towns 182 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: that had gotten overrun, and they strike up a romance. 183 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: They fall in love with each other. Bill teaches Frank 184 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: about that he has inside of him the strength to 185 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: survive and fight, and Frank teaches Bill that like love 186 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: is possible in this fallen world, that and then is possible. 187 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's worthwhile to help other people, not just the 188 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: hide in this bunker by yourself. 189 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: You know, that's right, that there's connections to be made, 190 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: that even in this degenerated, destroyed world, that there's an 191 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: importance in building connections and community and a life not 192 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: just with your within yourself or with your partner, with 193 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: other people. And they have as close to a normal 194 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: air quotes life as you can have in this town. 195 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: They they go shopping in the little boutique shops that 196 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: are they have little arguments, They have meals together on 197 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: the porch, and years go by, wonderful years that include 198 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: fighting off zombies, that include fighting off raiders, that include 199 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, many moments of tenderness and dancing with each other. 200 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: But then Frank get sick, and he gets sicker and 201 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: sicker and sicker, and he wants to die on his 202 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: own terms. So he and Bill engineer like one perfect day, 203 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: last perfect day together, after which he will take pills 204 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: and they will crush up pills together, and then they 205 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: will eat them together, and then they will pass away 206 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: slowly and die. We go back to Joel and Ellie 207 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: their interactions with him. They you know, basically find the 208 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: house like as Frank left it, with Bill in there 209 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: kind of a shell of himself, and Bill basically decides, 210 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna help you guys. 211 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the truck that I had 212 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: and some supplies and you guys can get out of here. 213 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: It's an incredible episode. If, like our super producer are Boo, 214 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know about this show through the 215 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: first two episodes, just get to episode three, get to 216 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: episode three and decide if you want to. 217 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: Continue, and then you realize this, this is they do 218 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: a great job in this show of essentially again, this 219 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: is like a moment in the Games where you need 220 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: to go and collect supplies that they expand out into 221 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: this kind of exploration of humanity in the face of 222 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: greatest horrors that you can imagine, in the face of 223 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: the fall of the world as we know it. And 224 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: it's just such an unbelievable episode with two incredible performances 225 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: and just generally a wonderful, wonderful piece of TV, even 226 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: if you don't care about the show and it after 227 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: Joel kind of sees this great act of love and 228 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: understands because he had an existing relationship with with Bill 229 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: and Frank, he begins to understand that maybe there is 230 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: a little something worth living for. 231 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe. 232 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Maybe let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. 233 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: And we are back episode four. We're road tripping now. 234 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: There's Ellie and Joel are eating like chef boy r 235 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: D as they're on the road in Bill's truck, which 236 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: you know is like the stinkiest, most ft ridden gassy 237 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: truck of basically all time, Ellie's been practicing with her gun. 238 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: She's in fact kind of obsessed with getting a gun 239 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: from Joel, and they got a bunch of supplies, including 240 00:15:53,920 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: weaponry from bill uh. They eventually arrived in Kansas City, 241 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: where they get ambushed by raiders. I guess you could 242 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: call them raiders. 243 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: I think that want to be raiders. Are they very 244 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: successful raiders? Unclear? 245 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: But they are people trying to survive who want to 246 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: take what Joel and Ellie have, and obviously that cannot happen. 247 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: Joel kills them. Meanwhile, we also learned that Joel is 248 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: has a brother. He tells Ellie about his brother, Tommy, 249 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: and that Tommy was a Joiner he dreamed of becoming 250 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: a hero. Last Joel heard, Tommy had quit the Fireflies 251 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: and was just kind of like floating off on his own. Elsewhere, 252 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: we see another kind of like feder facility where we 253 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: meet a woman named Kathleen who is now this leader 254 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: of this armed group in this area. She's interrogating a 255 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: prisoner who is like a doctor. Her group is fucking brutal, 256 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: brutal brutals. She used to be a soccer mon. Now 257 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: she's like basically a warlord, and she assumes that Joel 258 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: and Ellie are working with this guy that she's looking for, 259 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: this doctor, but they're not. But now they have Kathleen's 260 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: fucking army like on their tail, and the it's just 261 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: it goes bad. We go to episode five, Joel and 262 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: Ellie team up with Henry, the guy Kathleen is looking for, 263 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: and Sam as they are trying to escape from Kansas 264 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: City because Kathleen really wants to kill him. Henry is 265 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: a former Federan former and he has a bounty on 266 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: his head. Sam is his little brother who just wants 267 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: to be a kid, and he and Ellie there's like 268 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: a spark in terms of them being kind of around 269 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: the same age, being young and trying to find normalcy 270 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: and happiness in a world that is just insanely violent 271 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: and stuff. They managed to make it past Kathleen's forces, 272 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: but then Sam gets bitten. He hides it and by 273 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: morning he's turned. Henry emotionally psychologically can't deal with it. 274 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: He kills his brother, then he kills himself. This is 275 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: insanely sad, particularly for Ellie, who had tried desperately to 276 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: pass on some of her immunity to Sam, but was 277 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: unable to lie. I mean that was so that was 278 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: just like you don't understand how people could live in 279 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: this world, Like it was very very sad. And she 280 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: writes I'm sorry on Sam's grave and then she and 281 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: Joel just continue the journey. And by this episode you're 282 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: starting to get now the rhythm of the show, which 283 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: is kind of like adventure Monster adventure of the episode, Yeah, 284 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: this kind of like road journey that moves from place 285 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: to place, and I think it's a really brilliant way 286 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: to adapt this video game. 287 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, by now I agree. 288 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: And also the thing that is so wild about this 289 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: episode is there is like an intense zombie fight can 290 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: like Kansas Escape. They're trying to, you know, snipe people 291 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: out the windows, snipe zombies out the windows, snipe Kathleens 292 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: people out the windows. It really heavily adapts the game. 293 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 2: But and you get to see new, bigger zombies here. 294 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: I think this is where we get to see the Bloaters. 295 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: But all you are left with is the story of 296 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 2: Sam and Henry, who are just two kids trying to survive. 297 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: And you get this unbelievable moment whereas you know Ellie 298 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: and Sam are in the bedroom trying to kind of 299 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: solve this problem where Ellie's trying to pass on her immunity. 300 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 2: Henry and Joel are bonding and talking, and you start 301 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: to feel like maybe this could be this found family 302 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: situation where all of them try and make something better 303 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: in this world. And obviously it doesn't end that way, 304 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: and it is like, so so heartbreaking. I think it's 305 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 2: absolutely wild to be able to have an two episodes, 306 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: episode three and episode five that are so heartbreaking and 307 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 2: also very This is a very trail blazing episode because. 308 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 3: We Sam and Henry. 309 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 2: Henry has actually played Sam is actually played by a 310 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: young deaf actor, and I think that that is portrayed 311 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: so well here, and then also definitely influence the fact 312 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: that season two on HBO will have ASL translation for 313 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: the whole of season two, which I think is really cool. 314 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, this was the heartbreaking episode. This is in 315 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: preparing for Covering Seas two. This was the one I 316 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: found hardest to watch again. It was really hard Billy, 317 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 2: at least with Bill and Frank, they get this happy time, 318 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: they get this kind of love in the face of 319 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: everything so terrible, But Henry and Sam, they don't get 320 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: that anything. And it's a huge moment episode four and 321 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: five for Ellie because in four we see her shoot 322 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 2: somebody for the first time, and she doesn't kill him 323 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: and Joel has to finish him off, and then obviously 324 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: this horrific thing happens. So I think we start to 325 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: get to see her happiness and her constant kind of 326 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: cheer and bad jokes sort of starting to wear away 327 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: as she starts to see the reality of living outside 328 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: of a federer kind of stronghold. 329 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: Next episode six, three months have passed since Kansas City 330 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: and the deaths of Henry and Sam. They're in Wyoming somewhere, 331 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: Joel and Ellie learn from a couple they. 332 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 4: Take hostage briefly again, Joel getting into his old tricks 333 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 4: again that Tommy, if he is alive, he is. 334 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: Somewhere out there to the west, but not too far, 335 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: not past the river. If he's past the river, he's 336 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: probably dead. They go to the river. They're talking about 337 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: what's going to happen when they get to the fireflies 338 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: and save the world, and how Ellie's going to feel 339 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: like being this spark of immunity that could bring the 340 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: world back. Did they get They learn like about each other. 341 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: Ellie's like, what you know? What did you? You can 342 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: go anywhere you want? What do you what do you 343 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: want to do after the world comes back? And he 344 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: says that he wants to set up himself somewhere away 345 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: from everybody on a like a sheep ranch or something. 346 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: Because they're quiet, Joel asked Ellie what she wants to do. 347 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: She says she'd go to the moon. Her favorite astronaut 348 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: was Sally Ride, which she says the best astronaut ever. 349 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: And then they fall asleep, and when they wake up, 350 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: he finds that Ellie has is like watching over him, 351 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: and we learn we see that like she's beginning to 352 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: take on some of Joel's traits. She's getting tougher, She's 353 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: like understanding the danger out here. Eventually they come into 354 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: contact with a bunch of folks on horses and guess 355 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: what this is? Like? A community living out here of 356 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: which Tommy is a member, and they live in a 357 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: basically like a socialist post armageddon utopia with running water, 358 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: with night with movie nights, with kids running around with electricity, 359 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you when you find when you 360 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: see this place, you're like, never leave here. 361 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: Never leave. 362 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: This is a good day. 363 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: He leave the child, do not take her to the 364 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: rebel Like you guys can just stay here with your 365 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: brother and his wife and you can just have a 366 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: new life and you can help out here, because part 367 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 2: of how they have managed to keep this place secure 368 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 2: is by these terrifying rumors. 369 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 3: If you can't cross the river, you can't go over there. 370 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 3: It's full of. 371 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: Zombies, you know, so they need people to protect them. 372 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 3: Joel, you could have a role here. 373 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: But no, he does not know how to live in 374 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 2: a functioning society at all. 375 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: Tommy is has a partner named Maria. They both are like, Ellie, 376 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: you're not like the other kids here, because in the 377 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: whatever few months that you've been out in the wilderness, 378 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: you've turned into like a real hard ass with a gun, 379 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: which kids around here don't carry guns, and they're not 380 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: like fucking hard ass. Yeah, the raiders are apparently still 381 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: a big problem, but kind of a declining one. Infected 382 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: or out there, of course, but they're easier to deal 383 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: with and Tommy is like former army sniper is like, yeah, 384 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: we're good at dealing with them. Joel comes to realize 385 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: that he's been a half crazed, smuggling, semi criminal, anti 386 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: murder for so long that like he's not civilized anymore, 387 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: Like he's got what I think we would call post 388 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: traumatic stress stat syndrome or current traumatic stress syndrome and 389 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: is just unable to deal with a civilized situation like this. 390 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: So he tries to pass off Ellie on Tommy because 391 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: he's afraid like that he's gonna he's gonna let her down, essentially, 392 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: And she's like, no, you're not gonna leave me here, 393 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: like absolutely, Like you're not just gonna pawn me off 394 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: on strangers and then leave. So Joel is like, fine, 395 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: I'll stay. But then later Joel teaches Ellie to shoot 396 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: she's bad and she blames the gun and they make 397 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: their way. They leave for Colorado because they're going to 398 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: like we're going to keep going on this journey. They 399 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: make Colorado in five days. Joel tells it Ellie that 400 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: when he was younger, he wanted to be a singer. 401 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: At the campus, they find the firefly markers. This used 402 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: to be a firefly lab. Apparently there were monkeys here 403 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: that they're working on, and now the monkeys are running 404 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: around wild. They find a map which suggests that the 405 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: Fireflies pulled out of Colorado to Salt Lake City. There's 406 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: a screeching of monkeys outside and that's when they realize 407 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: there's raiders out there. Joel and Ellie head for their horse, 408 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: which is how they've been traveling since they left Tommy's encampment. 409 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: A raider attacks Joel as he's untying the horse. Joel. 410 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: There's a big fight and basically Joel takes out some 411 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: of the raiders, but he also gets stabbed and it's 412 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: pretty bad. Ellie tries to save him, but Joel is 413 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: clearly dying and Ellie is very upset and she's like, 414 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 1: I can't do this without you. We go to an 415 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: episode seven after a word from our sponsors, and we're 416 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: back episode seven, still in Colorado. Ellie has dragged Joel 417 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: to like a house where she's like just desperately trying 418 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: to keep him alive. He's like, get out of here. 419 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: She's like, just shut the fuck up. No, I'm not 420 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: gonna do that. We flash back to a Federal school 421 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: and we learn about Ellie's life at FEDRA and a 422 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: very important moment for her was growing up in this 423 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: feder school society where she's been disruptive. She's like one 424 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: of the bad kids. The Fedra supervisor of the school 425 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: basically is like, listen, here's your options. If you keep 426 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: being a fuck up, you end up like one of 427 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: the low level like Fedra grunts under this girl who 428 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: you're having trouble with, Bethany, and you probably die or 429 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: because of like the hard work that you're gonna have 430 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: to do. Or you follow the rules, you become an officer, 431 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: you get better food, you get better housing, you do 432 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: less dangerous work, and you give Bethany orders. And it's 433 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: clear that, like, uh, you know, feder for all its shortcomings, 434 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: is like the best option currently out there, and it's 435 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: something that even though it sucks, people care about it 436 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: and they're trying to make it good. Later, Ellie is 437 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: in her room and she's reading an issue of Savage Starlight, 438 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: the comic. Yes the Sam and Yes Sam and Henry, 439 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: who we met previously, also loved it. She has a 440 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: best friend named Riley. Riley went to join the Fireflies. 441 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: Ellie is shocked by this. Riley wants Ellie to come 442 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: with her for a few hours so they can have 443 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: the best night of her life. Their lives before she 444 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: joins the Fireflies. Ellie's like, I don't know about this. 445 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: They sneak out. They sneak into a. 446 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: Mall, Yes, an abandoned. 447 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: Beautiful, abandoned mall, which has apparently been sealed. 448 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: Up and all the electric still works. This is obviously 449 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: something Riley has learned from the Fireflies, and they take 450 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: her on, like we get like a really gorgeous kind 451 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: of date episode where the two of them just get 452 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: to have fun and play more or combat and dance 453 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: and almost be normal kids. 454 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: That's right. They go inside there, it's marvelous, like escalators. 455 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: There's all these things from a world that are that's 456 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: like gone. Riley's like, don't worry, there's no infected here. 457 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,239 Speaker 1: They've been lying to us, like outside they lie to us. 458 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: They say that like all the infected have been stuffed 459 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: up in here, been really like all the It's like 460 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: this wonderful time capsule of a former world. And they 461 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: they're running around looking at all the shops, they're looking 462 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: at the victorious secret like they're having this wonderful time together. 463 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: They go to this carousel which is right next to 464 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: a game stop, which is a nice fun nod to 465 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: the origins of this of this story. They find some liquor, 466 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: they start drinking and they go to a photo booth. 467 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: They go to that arcade. As you mentioned, they are 468 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: entirely unaware throughout this wonderful time that a very very 469 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: nasty looking Corry Steps has woken up nearby. They discover 470 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: pipe bombs which Riley has been building for the fireflies, 471 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: and this makes Ellie very very upset. She's like, what 472 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: are you doing? Like you're gonna be one of these 473 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: like firefly terrorists, Like you're gonna blow people up, Like 474 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna do. And this is where, uh, 475 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, Ryley basically admits that like she's leaving. This 476 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: is her last night in Boston. She's going with the fireflies, 477 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: and she brought Ellie here because she wanted to say goodbye. 478 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: This is heartbreaking for Ellie. She like basically is like 479 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: fuck you and leaves. But then she's like you know, no, no, 480 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: what I want to go back? She goes back, and 481 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: long story short, Riley gets bitten by the fucking Cordy Steps, 482 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: but so. 483 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: Does Ellie after they kiss. 484 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: After they kiss, and this is where Ellie gets bitten. 485 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 1: The infected pins her down and she stabs into the guts, 486 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: but it doesn't stop like coming for her, and it's horrible. 487 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: We cut back to Joel, who is on the floor 488 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: in the present timeline, shivering, looking real bad, and it's 489 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: clear that this is what Ellie is thinking about. Another 490 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: person that she loves is dying in front of her 491 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: eyes and she can't and there's nothing that she can do. 492 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: She thinks again about the last moments of Riley, where 493 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: it's like Ellie is in a rage, she's like destroying everything, 494 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: and Riley apologizes to her and they like lean on 495 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: each other. And back at the house, you know, Ellie 496 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: has come back with supplies and a sewing needle and 497 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: she starts working on Joel to try and save him. 498 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: We go to episode eight. 499 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: Woo, episode eight. 500 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: This is It's actually wild how many standout episodes this 501 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: series has, because as soon as I'm like, oh my god, 502 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: we haven't even got to David yet. 503 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: This is such a crazy episode. 504 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: It is It is nuts. Episode eight. It is deep winter, 505 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: Silver Lake, Colorado. We hear a voice read from the 506 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: Book of Revelations. This is a preacher. His name is David. 507 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: He is the leader of like this extremist survivalist group 508 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: whose motto is when we are in need, he shall provide. 509 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: And what basically he's going to provide is like cannibalized 510 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: human bodies. Even though he's telling people that he's not 511 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: telling people that this group is starving, they've been sending 512 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: out hunting groups, and unbeknownst to anybody but a very 513 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: very tightly held circle around David, these hunting groups have 514 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: not been successful. Instead, what they've been doing is carving 515 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: up human bodies that they have hidden away in town. Meanwhile, 516 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: Ellie is checking on Joel's wound. Time has passed, it's 517 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: looking better, but Joel is very weak. She's like trying 518 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: to nurse him back to health like a you know, 519 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: like a little baby bird. She goes out to hunt 520 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: with the rifle, the three to eight that she now 521 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: knows how to shoot. She sees a deer. She takes 522 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: aim at the deer, but she hits it and it 523 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: injures it. But it's running off and David and his 524 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: loot tennant James, find the deer. Ellie gets the drop 525 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: on them. She's like, you know, drop your rifles, turn around. 526 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: They She also bluffs that she's like and I'm with others. 527 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: David and James offer a trade. They're like, we can 528 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: give you medicine. Ellie is very excited by the idea 529 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: that there might be medicine. She's like and they're like, yeah, yeah, 530 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: we gotta you know, we got it. We got medicine. 531 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: David is like, go get the penicillin. He tells his lieutenant, 532 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: go get it and bring it back here. James drags 533 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: the deer as he and Ellie takes shelter nearby. Ellie remains, 534 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, watchful of these guys. Eventually, the medicine arrives. 535 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: They give it to Ellie. She returns to Dole. It 536 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: just kind of injects the antibiotics Wherever listens to and 537 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: lays on his chest, and one is one of the 538 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: most like warming scenes I think of the series. Back 539 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: at the extremist group, they're cooking up venison and folks, 540 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: we get these really disgusting shots of this food that 541 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: you know that by now you know that there's something wrong, yes, 542 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: but you don't know what. David announces that the rumors 543 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: are true. He's found a girl who is with a 544 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: man who killed one of them, and tomorrow morning they're 545 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: going to send out a search party and quote bring 546 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: that man to justice. The next day, Ellie goes out 547 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: to you know, just check things out. She sees people coming, 548 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: five or six men, including David and James, and clearly 549 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: they're ready to kill Joel and bring Ellie back with them. 550 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: Ellie tries to wake up Joel. He's not ready for this. 551 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: She fires a shot at David and them. Eventually David 552 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 1: takes her prisoner. She's in a holding cell. David's there, 553 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: He's being an absolute fucking freak. 554 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, he's there's obviously like pedophilick overtones here. 555 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 5: About cultish, over his need for like young women girls, 556 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 5: and also you know, they need more women so they 557 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 5: can have babies, and also, you know, wouldn't she love 558 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 5: to be part of his. 559 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 3: Like in a circle. 560 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: He can see she's a survivor, like very gloomish, strong, 561 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: like we. 562 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: Need your strength, all this kind of stuff, and she 563 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: rejects him pretty strongly, which enrages him. 564 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, she bites his hand. I believe he puts it. 565 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 2: She's like, okay, and then she bites his hand and 566 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: he kind of rears back. 567 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Joel, who has killed. The guy who David 568 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: has sent to kill him is has followed them back 569 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: to their camp has and is going like, fucking John Wick, 570 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: where is his daughter? Where is his surrogate daughter? He 571 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: is just killing, killing, killing. He drags a guy into 572 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: a house and tortures him until he tells him like 573 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,479 Speaker 1: where the town And. 574 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 2: That's when we get a glimpse of like who Joel 575 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 2: has become. And that's really important because we're heading to 576 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: if you've played the game, the ultimate kind of big 577 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 2: moral quandary at the end of the game, which all 578 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 2: of this has been leading to, and you need to 579 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: see this side of Joel to truly understand what it 580 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: means to him to protect he can. 581 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: Go fully, fully dark. Now he's doing it now to 582 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: protect someone he loves and that we love, from absolutely 583 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: depraved fundamentalist cannibals. But the suggestion and the truth of 584 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: it is that he plied these violent sides of himself 585 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: against many different against me, many many people who were 586 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: not bad folks, and we know that. Meanwhile, David is 587 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: admitting to Ellie that yeah, we're eating. 588 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 6: People, so what yeah, yeah, yeah, baby, well you do 589 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 6: so what By the way, you should still join us, 590 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 6: because like, you're smart, you're loyal, You're like a, what 591 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 6: do you think about it? 592 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: Why don't you join us? 593 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 3: What does she think about it? 594 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: She is like hard no, She asks about Joel. David 595 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: is like, you know what I can, I'll spare him. 596 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: I won't continue to hunt him if you will join us. 597 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: And Ellie then is makes it seem like maybe she's 598 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: going to accept this David, who is again just like 599 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: a disgusting human being. Groomer is like whoa, And he 600 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: like reaches through the bars to like caress pet her hair, 601 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: and it's discussed, and she instead takes his finger and 602 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 1: like breaks it and grabs the keys, and it says 603 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: to him, like, why don't you tell your like little 604 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: followers that like Ellie is the little girl who broke 605 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: your finger. Joel arrives in town. He breaks into one 606 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: of the storehouses there to kind of warm up a 607 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: little bit. He finds Ellie's stuff and the dead people 608 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: that these folks have been eating. It's Chris, David and 609 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 1: James drag Ellie out of the cage and they're clearly 610 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: just like about to butcher her for meat. When she yells, hey, 611 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: I've been infected and now so are you because and 612 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: they're like they see the scar and now they're like 613 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: freaked out, They're scared. They're like, oh no, like what 614 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: the what you know? And while they are in this 615 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: state of confusion, Ellie kills James with a cleaver in 616 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: his head. She runs, David runs after her. One thing 617 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: leads to another in what is I think one of 618 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: the most suspenseful and scariest scenes in not just the show, 619 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: but like in the game. It's a really scary moment 620 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: where David is hunting her through this building that is 621 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: like a former diner that is now burning like all 622 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: around them, and he's saying this scariest, most disgusting stuff 623 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: to her while he's called the shit while he's hunting her, 624 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,919 Speaker 1: and there's like a physical fight, but ultimately she defeats him. 625 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: And then when she goes outside of this burning building, 626 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: she finds Joel who embraces her and our Friends are 627 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: back together, which leads us to episode nine, the heartbreaking 628 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: and violent finale of season one of the Last of Us. 629 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: They arrive at this Salt Lake City firefly, a refugeed 630 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 1: a laboratory that is the last place that they knew 631 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: the fireflies were, and we see all of this evidence 632 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,919 Speaker 1: of the kind of medical experiments and the research they've 633 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: been doing into the cordyceeps, including the X rays of 634 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: people's brains they find. So they get to they get 635 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: to the firefly base, and the fireflies are so excited. 636 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: They're like, oh my god, we're going to save the world. 637 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: This is it. We've gotten the person. 638 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 3: Actually have like a pretty legit hospital set up. 639 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: It's it's like it. 640 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 3: Looks it looks that way at us. 641 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: It looks good. The setup looks very legit. And they're 642 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: putting Ellie under anesthesia. They're going to do the thing 643 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: where they go in and they have to like go 644 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: into her brain because that's the part that like where 645 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, where the heart of the infection is and 646 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: where for some reason, her brain is like fighting the infection. 647 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: And they tell Joel, probably a mistake to tell him this. 648 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, they take him aside and. 649 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: They take him in mind and they say listen. They say, listen, 650 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: we have to into her brain, and we don't know 651 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 1: how to do it without killing her, but listen, this 652 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: is we're gonna save the world. Like God, I'm gonna 653 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: save the world from infection. Joel does not accept that, 654 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: and he just fucking kills everybody in this heart like everybody. 655 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,240 Speaker 2: Yes, now, let's talk about this because in the game, 656 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: you the whole time you've been following Joel, you've been 657 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 2: playing as him. Sometimes you've been playing Zelli. Sometimes you've 658 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 2: had to do terrible things, but you are doing it 659 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 2: for the greater good of saving the world, right, that's 660 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 2: what they want us to think. And then you end 661 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 2: up in a scenario where suddenly you have to decide 662 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 2: whether you're gonna kill a lot of people and not 663 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 2: save the world in order to save this child, and 664 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 2: the game takes on a very different stance. And I 665 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 2: think something they did here that is really incredible, and 666 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 2: I know that makes some people very angry, but I 667 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 2: think was the right choice. 668 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 3: They made. This incredibly hard to watch. 669 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 2: This is not a heroic John Wick going to save 670 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 2: his daughter. 671 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 3: This is. 672 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: Watched. 673 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,439 Speaker 2: It feels like you're watching a mass shooter go into 674 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 2: a hospital and kill a bunch of people. And I 675 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 2: think they made a very brave stand with that by 676 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 2: saying this is horrible. 677 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 3: This is the reality. 678 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 2: And if you want to say that Joel made the 679 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 2: right choice, that's fine, but here's the choice. 680 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 3: That he made, and this is what he did to 681 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 3: save Ellie. 682 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 2: And I was honestly shocked by just how horrific this 683 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 2: episode is, but also how much it aligns with everything 684 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 2: we know about Joel and how even in that moment, 685 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 2: you are now invested in that relationship, so you do 686 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 2: want him to save Ellie. 687 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, fireflies never should have told Joel. 688 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 3: You should have just been it's a. 689 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,439 Speaker 2: Dangerous it's a dangerous situation, like maybe she'll survive, maybe 690 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 2: she won't, and he could have watched through the window, which, 691 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 2: by the way, when when he does get to Ellie, 692 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 2: you do that kind of thing like, oh, maybe. 693 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 3: They didn't know what they were doing. 694 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 2: Because they just have all these like rusty kleavas and shit, 695 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 2: and you're like, guys, this looks like a horror movie, 696 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 2: Like I don't know if you have the chops to 697 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 2: do this, Like it's an incredible moral dilemma because from 698 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 2: Joel's perspective. 699 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: You get it, like and you understand it. And I 700 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: think a lot of people you're playing the entire game 701 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: basically as Joel, with occasional moments as Ellie, and so 702 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: you when you and the and the show is from 703 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: the perspective of Joel and Ellie the whole time, so 704 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 1: you understand it, you completely understand it. At the same time, 705 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 1: I think anyone is able to put themselves in the 706 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: shoes of every literally everybody else in the world and say, 707 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,439 Speaker 1: I mean, she's it's sad, but so many people have died, 708 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: and if but if this, if we have the chance 709 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: to save everyone else, then don't we have to do it? 710 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: And it's an incredibly ruthless situation and a terrible moral dilemma. 711 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 2: And it's also really heartbreaking because you know that if 712 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,760 Speaker 2: Ellie had the choice, she would actually. 713 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 3: She would do it. 714 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: She would say, We'd do it. 715 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 2: That's they have given and that's another Firefly mistake. They 716 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 2: should have given her the choice and let her make 717 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 2: that choice. 718 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 3: Now, would Joel have listened to her? Probably not. He 719 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 3: should have at least had that conversation. 720 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: I think the thing that that makes it what's coming 721 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: for Joel a sort of justice in season two. That's 722 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: not a spoiler, but you know. 723 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,240 Speaker 2: Is that you actions have consequences, guys, actions have called. 724 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 1: And you and you made the point you just said 725 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,760 Speaker 1: that I think something that was important. I think joel 726 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: By now understands Ellie enough to know that if Ellie, 727 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: if he asked, Ellie, would you sacrifice yourself for a 728 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: chance that we could cure infection and cure the world, 729 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: she would say unabashedly yes. He is unable to give 730 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: her that choice, so he kills everybody, and just. 731 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 2: As bad as the fireflies in that way, he doesn't. 732 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 2: He also doesn't ask how what she wants. 733 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: He kills everybody in the fucking building, brutally, ruthlessly, going 734 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: through this tire. 735 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 3: In the back, like shooting anyone who comes par. 736 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: He gets Ellie, he carries her out of the building, 737 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: and then when she wakes up, she's like, what happened? 738 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: He says, it didn't work. It didn't It just didn't work. 739 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: They tried. 740 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 3: They said you could just come home. 741 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could just come home, and it's over. She 742 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: doesn't quite believe him, but it's also clear that she 743 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: really wants to believe him. She does, and she makes 744 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 1: him promise. She says, swear to me, game by the 745 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,919 Speaker 1: way ends in the same way, Swear to me, every 746 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: thing you said about the fireflies is true. And he 747 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: looks her dead in the face and he and he's like, 748 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: I swear, and she it's also clear again that she 749 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: is struggling with we or believe him, but she accepts 750 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: it and boom, this season ends. Due it is insane. 751 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 2: It's like making me feel like I'm gonna cry just 752 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 2: thinking about it. 753 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 3: I think it's honestly like a. 754 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 2: Travesty that Pedro didn't win for this series, because there 755 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 2: he has to do so much with so little, because 756 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 2: Joel is not a talkative person. And I think so 757 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 2: much about in episode eight where he he finds her 758 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 2: afterwards and he's like, it's okay, baby girl, and he's 759 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 2: kind of like holding her, and there's just this innate 760 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 2: understanding that he is never gonna let what happened to 761 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 2: Sarah happen to her. 762 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 3: And it's so so hard to watch this episode. 763 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 2: And I understand why people were mad because also some 764 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 2: people in the game who played it, which I think 765 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 2: is a misreading of the situation, but they didn't think 766 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 2: Joel did anything wrong. They felt like they were the 767 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 2: hero saving Ellie. And I think, sure, that's wild, but sure, 768 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 2: and I it's so horrific to see what Joel will do. 769 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,839 Speaker 2: But you are so invested, and you so understand how 770 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 2: he got to that place and how Ellie is there 771 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 2: that it is this like truly heart wrenching, kind of 772 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,760 Speaker 2: so crushing situation. And I love what you wrote in 773 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 2: your recap where you're like, suddenly the story shifts. What 774 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 2: started as a mission to save the world becomes a 775 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 2: mission to save one person at any cost. 776 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: I think the thing about the thing that is so 777 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: to me affecting about the last of us the game 778 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 1: and by extension, the show, is it's it's in a 779 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: way an examination of the things that make games so 780 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:05,920 Speaker 1: emotionally satisfying, but also such a like swamp of toxicness 781 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: and bad shit that has since seeped out into the culture. 782 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: And it's because they are a place where it's purely 783 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: about what people now call like main character syndrome. Joel believes, 784 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,240 Speaker 1: because he has found this person who has now become 785 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 1: the surrogate daughner in his life, that like any amount 786 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: of violence to protect her in a way that he 787 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,400 Speaker 1: couldn't protect his daughter previously, is is justified killing any 788 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: amount of people. It's it's justified, And you know that's 789 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,879 Speaker 1: what that's what games are. Anything is justified because I'm 790 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: the main character in the game. I can act as 791 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,319 Speaker 1: shitty as I want, I can talk, I can do it. Yeah, 792 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 1: I can do all these terrible things because like games 793 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 1: are about satisfying me, and Joel is about in this 794 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: moment is about It's again not even and about what 795 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,760 Speaker 1: Ellie wants, what Ellie wants, It's about what he wants, 796 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,880 Speaker 1: and what he wants is to somehow push the trauma 797 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,640 Speaker 1: that has been haunting him for years like away and 798 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: make all the deaths worth it because you save this 799 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: one person. And I understand why people like empathize with 800 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 1: Joel because they're like, I do anything for my daughter. 801 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: This is first of all, not his daughter, and second 802 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,280 Speaker 1: of all, I understand that. And at the same time 803 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,920 Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge that, like the other message of 804 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: this story is like violence begets violence, begets violence, begets violence. 805 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: So I'm so excited for the Last of US season 806 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 1: two coming soon. I can't believe that it's here. And 807 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 1: what an incredible and fucking bleak season of television. The 808 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,359 Speaker 1: Last of US Season one was. 809 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just unbelievable, and I'm yeah, I'm really 810 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 2: excited to dig into season two with you and kind 811 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 2: of explore. Yeah, how the show deals with what happens 812 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 2: in the second game, because it's somehow even. 813 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: On tomorrow's episode of x they Were Not for beired. 814 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: On tomorrow's episode of x RA Vision, we're diving into 815 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: the eighth episode of Dared Were Born Again. It's it 816 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: for this episode. Thanks for listening, Farewell bye. 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