Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. NHL announced yesterday that referee Tim Peel will
Speaker 1: not be calling games now or in the future. That's
Speaker 1: kind of a polite way of saying you're fired if
Speaker 1: you missed the story. Peel was caught on a broadcast
Speaker 1: saying that he wanted to call a penalty against Nashville early.
Speaker 1: His language was more colorful. It didn't help that the
Speaker 1: story blew up, but also assigned to the times because
Speaker 1: in every sport, officials used to be more colorful. When
Speaker 1: you go back in baseball, Joe West or Eric Greg
Speaker 1: ed Hockley in the NFL, Joey Crawford in the NBA,
Speaker 1: colorful characters they thought you were paying to see them.
Speaker 1: There's old school umpires and referees who probably had no
Speaker 1: problem with the profanity that was used by Tim Peel.
Speaker 1: But it's a bigger issue now. Mike's are catching everything,
Speaker 1: players have more power, There's calls for transparency, more transparency
Speaker 1: because of legalized gambling, and all of this means that
Speaker 1: there's less tolerance bad behavior, and unfortunately it means Tim
Speaker 1: Peel will not work in the NHL. Again. We've been
Speaker 1: discussing this. We probably spent about twenty minutes on this
Speaker 1: this morning. We're just sitting around talking about it. I
Speaker 1: need a little more information here. I don't know what
Speaker 1: his reasoning or motivation was to say, Hey, I'm going
Speaker 1: to call penalty on the predators. And we did reach out.
Speaker 1: Fritzie reached out to Tim to see if he wanted
Speaker 1: to tell his story on the show. We have not
Speaker 1: heard back from him, but that offer still stands if
Speaker 1: he wants to join us and talk about this, because
Speaker 1: I don't know what the context is. I have a
Speaker 1: four second clip where he's saying, I want to, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta call a penalty on the predators. What did
Speaker 1: he say prior to that? What happened prior to that?
Speaker 1: What did he say after that? What happened after that?
Speaker 1: Was he trying to police the sport. Was he trying
Speaker 1: to say, guys, I'm not going to let you get chippy,
Speaker 1: or I don't like the direction of what's going on
Speaker 1: right now. I don't know any of those things. And
Speaker 1: I thought he would at least now. I know he's
Speaker 1: retiring this year, like in a month, but he still
Speaker 1: got fired. And I just want to have context, what
Speaker 1: you said, how you said it, why you said it,
Speaker 1: when you said it, had something happened with the predators
Speaker 1: before a previous game, whatever that is. I understand the
Speaker 1: sensitivity of this. I understand if you're the commissioner, Gary Bettman,
Speaker 1: you can't have any doubt when you go to a
Speaker 1: game about the officials. We've had doubts. I think we
Speaker 1: all feel like referees are out to get our player
Speaker 1: or our team. There's a bias. I understand all of that.
Speaker 1: And they're human. I truly believe that you have baseball
Speaker 1: umpires who don't like certain players and may call the
Speaker 1: game accordingly consciously, subconsciously. I really feel that way. Not pretty,
Speaker 1: but it's real there. You can't go into the game.
Speaker 1: I know that they're professionals. They're told to be professionals.
Speaker 1: Act professional without having the human side of this. And
Speaker 1: if there's history Joey Crawford through Tim Duncan, Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: out of a game for laughing from the bench like
Speaker 1: they're just okay, how do you explain that? I mean,
Speaker 1: imagine if Joey Crawford said to another official, Hey, if
Speaker 1: Duncan keeps laughing over there, I'm going to run it
Speaker 1: like the personal side of this. That's what I want
Speaker 1: to know. Do I think that this happens without verbal acknowledgement.
Speaker 1: I do, and I've been doing this a long time.
Speaker 1: It's a strange story. I see both sides. Tim Peel
Speaker 1: could be saying without saying it. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stop this now. I don't like where this is going.
Speaker 1: I don't like what the predators are doing. It's just
Speaker 1: he said it. The verbal acknowledgment is what cost him
Speaker 1: his job. Do I think officials get together and they
Speaker 1: say things like this. Imagine this baseball game. You get
Speaker 1: ready to start the game. Let's say there's a fight,
Speaker 1: bench clearing, brawl, three game series, this is the last game,
Speaker 1: and you say to start the game to both managers
Speaker 1: and both pitchers. I'm not putting up with any nonsense.
Speaker 1: So now I'm not calling the game as if it
Speaker 1: was just a standalone game. I'm bringing something into this.
Speaker 1: But if you say, hey, look if Trevor Bauer throws inside,
Speaker 1: I'm running him. So both sides know this. Everybody knows this,
Speaker 1: and that's how you're going to umpire the game. Imagine
Speaker 1: if an umpire would say to another umpire man. I'm
Speaker 1: sick and tired of this. You know his nonsense out there.
Speaker 1: You know I'm going to run him. Now that's different.
Speaker 1: That's you inspiring with another umpire, Then it's different. Do
Speaker 1: I think Tim Donneghee is a standalone rogue official in
Speaker 1: the NBA? I don't. Maybe I'm naive that. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was a standalone rogue official. They're human. Tim
Speaker 1: Peel made a mistake, he'll pay for it. But I
Speaker 1: think in fairness to him, I would love to know
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, what led up to it, Why did
Speaker 1: you feel that way, Why did you say that? Why
Speaker 1: did the other official agree with you? You? I just
Speaker 1: want the story. That's it, and they may not change
Speaker 1: my mind, But I think in fairness to these stories,
Speaker 1: all of it, all of these stories we cover in sports,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson prime example, you've already made up your mind.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I just want to know what's involved here,
Speaker 1: the whole story, both sides of the story, and the
Speaker 1: same with something like this with Tim Peel who lost
Speaker 1: his job, Deshaun Watson, who could go to prison, varying
Speaker 1: degrees here of what's going on and listening to both
Speaker 1: sides of the story. And it's hockey and people may
Speaker 1: not care. But I look at this as don't look
Speaker 1: at it as the sport of hockey. It could be
Speaker 1: any sport. It could be soccer in the Premier League.
Speaker 1: It could be baseball, basketball, college basketball. Eight seven seven
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Speaker 1: They carried this program all three hours, coming out hot today,
Speaker 1: coming out hot, Yes, one little thing because you said,
Speaker 1: you want more context, you want more story. The NHL's
Speaker 1: release when they fired Tim Peel said, quote, there's no
Speaker 1: justification for his comments, no matter the context or his intention.
Speaker 1: They have no interest in the context or releasing it
Speaker 1: or investigating it. They fired him within I think a
Speaker 1: day and a half of the game. You know, the
Speaker 1: action came less than twenty four hours after he officiated
Speaker 1: the game. They should actually do the opposite and make
Speaker 1: him do an interview, or have him do an interview
Speaker 1: so it doesn't appear that it's gambling related now. Shortly after,
Speaker 1: one of the players for Nashville was whistled for a
Speaker 1: tripping penalty on a Detroit player. The rink side TV
Speaker 1: microphone picked up the official Tim Peel saying it wasn't much,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to get a bleeping penalty against Nashville. Early,
Speaker 1: the NHL determined that the voice was Peels and said
Speaker 1: that the ref would no longer be working NHL games
Speaker 1: now or in the future. And then the NHL came
Speaker 1: out and said, you know, nothing's more important than ensuring
Speaker 1: the integrity of our game. Okay, I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is a makeup call. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is a call to just I want to establish this
Speaker 1: happens in the NBA, happens in baseball. But an umpire
Speaker 1: or an official will warn you. A lot of times.
Speaker 1: You'll hear the officials say to a player, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not putting up with that. Hey, I'm going to call
Speaker 1: that like. They will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: Not always, but players will tell you. Officials will give
Speaker 1: you heads Hey, I'm gonna call holding on that, all right.
Speaker 1: They try to be fair to you and they will
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of a head up. I
Speaker 1: don't know what else happened here. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there was something that was so egregious where Tim Peel
Speaker 1: missed a call and then said I got to make
Speaker 1: up for it, or to me, it feels like I'm
Speaker 1: not going to put up with any of this nonsense
Speaker 1: here between you guys and Hey, it wasn't much, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to call it because I don't like the
Speaker 1: direction this game is going is That's the feeling I had,
Speaker 1: But I don't know what else was said after that.
Speaker 1: That's the only piece of audio I've heard about with
Speaker 1: you know, Tim Peel's voice attached to it. That's it.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't even get a hearing. It's like nope.
Speaker 1: And I thought, okay, you take him off the ice.
Speaker 1: He doesn't referee a game. You at least let him
Speaker 1: have his day and you're sending him into the penalty
Speaker 1: box as a referee. He got a time out, but
Speaker 1: that's all. If it was another sport, imagine this is
Speaker 1: the NFL. NFL it would be on national news. This
Speaker 1: would be huge. If you had an official who said
Speaker 1: to another official, you know what, I'm I gotta it's
Speaker 1: not that bad, but you know he's still he hit
Speaker 1: Brady again in the head, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I gotta call it. I mean, we
Speaker 1: can fill in the dialogue and then it would mean
Speaker 1: more if it was a different sport. This has happened
Speaker 1: in tennis, where you've had players who have thrown matches
Speaker 1: or do you have you know, an umpire who's on
Speaker 1: the take, Like it's going to happen. The amount of
Speaker 1: money that's attached to this, it's only going to get
Speaker 1: worse because these officials are probably going to say, these
Speaker 1: guys are making all the money, and the league's making
Speaker 1: all the money, and here I am, I'm the one
Speaker 1: that's running the game. Here, just look at the human
Speaker 1: side of this. What's it going to take? How much's
Speaker 1: it gonna take? Hey, and plus In hockey, if I
Speaker 1: call a penalty, Let's say there's five power play opportunities
Speaker 1: for a team and I call two of those in
Speaker 1: a game, that's a big advantage. In the NFL, I
Speaker 1: don't take a player off the field, and hockey, I
Speaker 1: send you to the bench. Power play goal Now, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, if I have two of those and
Speaker 1: you have I'm responsible for two of the five, could
Speaker 1: change the game. Yeah, Bully, I had an idea years ago.
Speaker 1: Instead of sending the player to the penalty box, he
Speaker 1: just has to play the shift without a stick. I
Speaker 1: mean that would really be fast. He's just skate around.
Speaker 1: I think you should play without skates. Rights. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a stick, but no skates there. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: Talking to a source last night and I'm just curious
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the Jets, And I said,
Speaker 1: do you think the Jets will go with Zach Wilson?
Speaker 1: And my source said, it's too early to be giving
Speaker 1: up on Donald, especially with a team around him. But
Speaker 1: the GM didn't draft him. I would think that they're
Speaker 1: hoping to trade out. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who really like Wilson in striking distance for the second pick.
Speaker 1: The Jets really improve with the deal with numerous picks.
Speaker 1: He also says they have a good amount of cap space.
Speaker 1: New head coach will listen to the front office. I
Speaker 1: think picks is what they would prefer to do, but
Speaker 1: was told if there isn't a blockbuster deal involving that
Speaker 1: second pick, overall, the GM will take Wilson, who he
Speaker 1: thinks is great. It's bringing Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter
Speaker 1: and of course lead content strategies for the Monday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 1: Where do you think we stand with the Jets there? Albert,
Speaker 1: I think they're still open to moving Donald. I think
Speaker 1: if somebody had given them their price, they may they
Speaker 1: may have moved him. Already, and I think that price
Speaker 1: is probably around a second round pick and something else
Speaker 1: maybe in between, like what the Niners got for Alex
Speaker 1: Smith all those years ago, which was two twos, and
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals got for Josh Rosen twenty nineteen, which
Speaker 1: is a two and a five. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: think they're still, you know, very open to listening to offers.
Speaker 1: Eight teams have called them on Sam Arnold, so there
Speaker 1: has been some level of interest, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think for the new GM Joe Douglas, who's been there
Speaker 1: for a couple of years now, actually the new coach,
Speaker 1: Robert Sala, you know, really the ideal for them was
Speaker 1: to be able to see the quarterbacks throw live and
Speaker 1: get all of their medicals before moving Darnald or making
Speaker 1: a final decision to move Darnold. And Zach Wilson throws tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Justin Fields throws next week, So by the time we
Speaker 1: get to the middle of next week, the Jets are
Speaker 1: going to have seen everyone throw live, and I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a better idea of what they're looking
Speaker 1: at with the BYU quarterback, with the Ohio State quarter back.
Speaker 1: They've obviously already seen Trey Lance throw. So I still
Speaker 1: think the likelihood as they take Zach Wilson and find
Speaker 1: a way to move Sam Darnold. But they've been trying to,
Speaker 1: I think, like kind of I guess, maintain some level
Speaker 1: of flexibility here until they actually get to see these
Speaker 1: guys throwing. Its important to remember Dan too. It's a
Speaker 1: very different year. Scouts really weren't on the road in
Speaker 1: the fall. There was no combine, so you know, oh
Speaker 1: Douglas physically has not been eye to eye with Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson or Justin Fields yet, and making a final decision
Speaker 1: on one of those guys without actually being able to
Speaker 1: size them up, you know, with your own eyes, to
Speaker 1: tie your job security to that guy, which is what
Speaker 1: you're doing if you take a quarterback second. Overall, it's
Speaker 1: a scary thing to do. So these are an important
Speaker 1: couple days ahead for the Jets, but also leverage wise
Speaker 1: that you don't want to chip your hand if you're
Speaker 1: the Jets, that you still want to have that mystery
Speaker 1: of are we keeping Darnald? Do you want that number
Speaker 1: two pick? If you trade Darnald, then everybody knows what
Speaker 1: you're doing with the number two pick, right, And I
Speaker 1: think they mean they still really like Darnald, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's the thing about it. They really do like Sam.
Speaker 1: You know, I think they just feel like at this
Speaker 1: point they either have to go all in on him
Speaker 1: or cut the chord. And really that's logistically where they
Speaker 1: are in the contract. You know, after three years, you know,
Speaker 1: the way these contracts work with with first round picks,
Speaker 1: that's where the decision point comes. That's when you have
Speaker 1: to make a decision on the fifth year option. These
Speaker 1: guys become eligible for long term deals at the same time,
Speaker 1: so you know, you're sending a signal what you think
Speaker 1: of the guy after year three because you have to
Speaker 1: make the decision on the fifth year option and you
Speaker 1: have to make a decision on whether or not to
Speaker 1: extend him. And so that's sort of why I think
Speaker 1: they are where they are with Sam. Would they like
Speaker 1: to see him for a couple more years, sure, you know,
Speaker 1: like if they had him at a good rate, that'd
Speaker 1: be fine. The fact is they're gonna they'd have to
Speaker 1: pay him almost twenty million dollars to keep them in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, which makes that decision I think a
Speaker 1: little more difficult. But you know, to your point, you know,
Speaker 1: maintaining you know that the mystery till Draft day, I
Speaker 1: might be the smart move. It's what the Cardinals did, right.
Speaker 1: Cardinals wouldn't I wouldn't tip their hand to anybody. Now.
Speaker 1: I think some of us knew that Kyler Murray was
Speaker 1: probably going to be a big pick for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks leading up to that draft, but they held
Speaker 1: on to Josh rose and all the way up until
Speaker 1: Draft Day and didn't move him actually until the day
Speaker 1: after they took Kyler Murray. I was also told by
Speaker 1: source the safest pick in the draft aside from Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Do you want to guess besides Trevor Lawrence, Yes, Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: Patrick Curtain Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, said that that's interesting,
Speaker 1: like Curtan's interesting, and that he's got NFL bloodlines. He's
Speaker 1: like his tape is like very very clean. What they
Speaker 1: say about certain is that maybe he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: ceiling that Virginia Techs Caleb Farley or South Carolina's JC
Speaker 1: Horn have, Like he's not quite the freak athlete that
Speaker 1: those guys are. But I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: whoever told you that, Dan see what they're saying, because
Speaker 1: you know, he's sort of I mean just I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine you find too many NFL people that
Speaker 1: would look at him and not think this guy's a
Speaker 1: ten year starter in the league. Now, will he become
Speaker 1: Darrell ReBs? You know, maybe Horn or Farley have a
Speaker 1: better chance of being that sort of player. But I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question that there's a consensus that
Speaker 1: Curtain's going to step into the NFL and be a
Speaker 1: really solid player. I'd explain to me what's going on
Speaker 1: with Green Bay because it feels like it's either something
Speaker 1: good for Aaron Rodgers or it's something bad for Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I'll the talk of the um, you know,
Speaker 1: the of the renegotiation. And I think one thing we
Speaker 1: all have to remember here, when when players restructure their contracts,
Speaker 1: they're really not giving up anything, right, Um, They're basically
Speaker 1: moving money around and sometimes they're getting the cash in
Speaker 1: their pocket faster, which can help the team from a
Speaker 1: cap standpoint. That's all that's really happening in most of
Speaker 1: these cases. There are cases where they're pay cuts. This
Speaker 1: isn't going to be one of those, and there are
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, um, you know, triggers in
Speaker 1: the in the players contract where they can do these
Speaker 1: things automatically. I think that the Packers, if they're going
Speaker 1: to restructure Aaron Rodgers, they're going to go to him first.
Speaker 1: And to me, like this would seem to be like
Speaker 1: an elegant solution, right Like if you go to Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and you say, okay, like we're going to continue
Speaker 1: building the team that we've built, and we're gon we're
Speaker 1: not going to veer off of the way that we've
Speaker 1: tried to put this whole thing together, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: work with you. So we're gonna restructure you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get some money in your pocket a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: than you would have gotten out otherwise, and we're going
Speaker 1: to use the cap savings to go add player X,
Speaker 1: player why or player Z. To me like that, that
Speaker 1: would be a very elegant way of addressing the concern
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers has that the Packers aren't working with
Speaker 1: enough urgency, working with say the urgency the Chiefs have
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes or the Buccaneers have with Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and saying like, okay, like we've got X amount of
Speaker 1: cap space. We're going to work with you to try
Speaker 1: and improve the team, but we're still not going to
Speaker 1: veer off of what our principles have been in putting
Speaker 1: this whole thing together. But at some point, what are
Speaker 1: the Packers doing with Jordan Love? Because the benefit is
Speaker 1: the rookie contract, but we don't know if he can play,
Speaker 1: And at some point don't either you admit you may
Speaker 1: a mistake, or you say to Aaron Rodgers after next year, Aaron,
Speaker 1: thank you, But now we got it. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the reason why you moved up in the draft
Speaker 1: to get him in the first place. I think the
Speaker 1: comparison that you want to look at here, like everybody
Speaker 1: out there listening wants to look at, was the Patriots
Speaker 1: drafting Jimmy Garoppolo in twenty and fourteen. When the Patriots
Speaker 1: took Jimmy Garoppolo, Tom Brady was getting older, he wasn't
Speaker 1: pleased with his contract situation, and like I think the
Speaker 1: Patriots knew that was going to go up tom Brady's
Speaker 1: tailpipe at that point. One of two things was going
Speaker 1: to happen, right okay, Either a Tom Brady was going
Speaker 1: to be reinvigorated and challenged and play at the top
Speaker 1: of his game, or B Brady was going to age
Speaker 1: and they were going to have a guy in place
Speaker 1: to replace him. I think the exact same thing applies here.
Speaker 1: I think the logic for the Packers and taking Jordan
Speaker 1: Love last year was identical. You bring him in, right,
Speaker 1: and you hope that maybe where the relationships gotten a
Speaker 1: little strain. Now you get a supermotivated player. What happened,
Speaker 1: he was the MVP of the league then, right, and
Speaker 1: so like you get the supermotivated player and going forward,
Speaker 1: now you also have the potential successor on the roster,
Speaker 1: and so if he falls off at all over the
Speaker 1: next two or three years, well then you know you've
Speaker 1: got a tough decision to make. But at least you're
Speaker 1: not in the wilderness looking for a quarter quarterback. You've
Speaker 1: got an answer there on the roster. And like, what's
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario? The worst case scenario? I like,
Speaker 1: and I don't even want to call this the worst
Speaker 1: case scenario. I mean, in Brady's case, what happened Brady
Speaker 1: kept beating Garoppolo out. I mean Belichick started to build
Speaker 1: a team for like the Brandon Cooks trade when they
Speaker 1: trained for Brandon Cooks. That was for Jimmy Garoppolo. That
Speaker 1: was a receiver that fit Jimmy Garoppolo's skill set, and
Speaker 1: Brady kept playing at the level that he had been
Speaker 1: playing over the course the first fifteen years of his career.
Speaker 1: After the Jimmy Garoppolo trade, Tom Brady won three Super
Speaker 1: Bowls in five years and the Patriots wound up having
Speaker 1: to trade Jimmy Garoppolo. So that would be like, I mean,
Speaker 1: like to me, it's like, it's either a Rogers ages
Speaker 1: out and you've got Jordan Love on the roster to
Speaker 1: replace him, or b Rogers places his ass off, and
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, two years from now, you're
Speaker 1: in a position where maybe you have to think about
Speaker 1: trading Jordan Love. Albert Breer, the senior NFL reporter for
Speaker 1: the MMQB, I was wondering about the Texans situation with
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. I don't know what they knew and when
Speaker 1: they knew it, because let's say in January they knew
Speaker 1: that this was lurking, this was on the horizon, or
Speaker 1: they didn't know. Imagine if they had traded him in January,
Speaker 1: I know, and then it came out now, Albert, that
Speaker 1: did the Texans know, Like could you avoid a deal? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just curious about the timing of
Speaker 1: all of this and what the Texans knew and that
Speaker 1: they didn't, you know, trade him at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a hard time with it too,
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure what they knew either. And I
Speaker 1: think it's hard to have a take on this because
Speaker 1: either A m if you have a hard if you
Speaker 1: have a take on it, either A you're indicting Watson,
Speaker 1: which isn't fair, especially considering you know what sort of
Speaker 1: citizen he's been prior to all of this, both as
Speaker 1: a college player and his pro player, or you're b
Speaker 1: not taking the allegations seriously enough. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I think we have to let this play out. I
Speaker 1: wish I could tell you what the Texas knew in
Speaker 1: December January. I haven't gotten any indication that they knew
Speaker 1: this was coming, and I think that the like nikkos Sario,
Speaker 1: I mean, I could tell you what nikos Sario has
Speaker 1: told teams when they've called on Deshaun Watson, which is basically,
Speaker 1: you can ask me about any player on the roster
Speaker 1: except the quarterback, So they flat out haven't made him available.
Speaker 1: If they had an inkling that there was trouble coming
Speaker 1: down the line, maybe they would have. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but I do know that this puts everybody in a
Speaker 1: really difficult spot because the text sin cannot justify moving
Speaker 1: on from a twenty five year old franchise quarterback without
Speaker 1: getting a historic haul in return. And on the flip
Speaker 1: side of it, if you're the Broncos or the Panthers,
Speaker 1: or the Jets, or the Dolphins or the Niners at
Speaker 1: this point, can you part with a historic hall to
Speaker 1: get Deshaun Watson without clarity in this situation. I've talked
Speaker 1: to a couple of teams that are involved in this
Speaker 1: DAN that have said flat out no, like, we can't
Speaker 1: do it right now. We have to wait, and because
Speaker 1: our owners not going to let us do it, and
Speaker 1: we don't. We can't put our jobs on the line
Speaker 1: that way. So we have to kind of let this
Speaker 1: thing play out and get some clarity in this situation
Speaker 1: before we go forward. So you never say never, because
Speaker 1: you know, maybe something happens and somebody takes a wild
Speaker 1: swing it to Shaun Watson thinks they can get a
Speaker 1: bargain now in the Texans field, like it's time to
Speaker 1: move on. I don't know, but I mean, for the
Speaker 1: most part, like the way I see it and people
Speaker 1: I've talked to over the last week about this, I
Speaker 1: think it effectively is going to freeze the trademarket for
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. But if the season starting, he would be
Speaker 1: on the commissioner's example list. I'm guessing yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I would think so, I would think, so why isn't
Speaker 1: now because he doesn't have to be because the commisier
Speaker 1: because the league, the league right now doesn't have to
Speaker 1: make a big deal out of this because there's nothing
Speaker 1: going on, you know, like there's no I mean, he
Speaker 1: can't like offseason programs and we don't know if they're
Speaker 1: going to start, but the Texans offseason program can't start
Speaker 1: till a week from Monday, So, you know, I think
Speaker 1: the way the league sort of proceeded in cases like
Speaker 1: this more recently, you know, and there was that time
Speaker 1: when you know, it was you know, commissioner. You know,
Speaker 1: the commissioner was sort of like the hammer in these
Speaker 1: sorts of cases. And I think that they've taken going
Speaker 1: back maybe to Antonio Brown, they've taken like a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a rehabilitative stance in these things than
Speaker 1: a punitive stance, And so I think they've been sort
Speaker 1: of careful to punish players when they don't necessarily have to.
Speaker 1: And I think at this point the league stance and
Speaker 1: probably would be for right now at least, we don't
Speaker 1: have to do anything now. If we're going to open
Speaker 1: up offseason programs on April fifth, which is a possibility
Speaker 1: for teams with new coaches, the Texans fit into that category.
Speaker 1: Maybe at that point we have to do something and
Speaker 1: say something. But I mean, like, even then, we know
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's not going to show up. You know, we've
Speaker 1: already had We've already established that. So I think the
Speaker 1: league hasn't done anything at this point because really they
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. I'll leave you with this
Speaker 1: talking to a source and he said, there is an
Speaker 1: outlier who's gonna come up to the top five. Somebody's
Speaker 1: coming into the top five in the draft. Now, if
Speaker 1: I say that, what would be the team that would
Speaker 1: be the outlier that you think might be trying to
Speaker 1: get into the top five even higher? I'm told, who
Speaker 1: would that be? Okay, So I think everybody knows Caroline
Speaker 1: is very quarterback hungry, right, So they're not now, not them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not them because we know that they're I've been
Speaker 1: told their owner is quote unquote obsessed with getting a quarterback.
Speaker 1: So I'll give you two teams Dan that I think
Speaker 1: like people maybe aren't talking as much about. One would
Speaker 1: be the New England Patriots because they've built up their
Speaker 1: roster to a point where where I feel like they
Speaker 1: don't have as many holes, you know that they have
Speaker 1: to fill as they had maybe two weeks ago. And like,
Speaker 1: although Bill's history is to trade down, he has taken
Speaker 1: opportunities to move up in the past, and if you
Speaker 1: remember in twenty twelve, they traded up twice to get
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones and Dante Hi Towers. So when they see
Speaker 1: something they think is really special, they'll go and get it.
Speaker 1: The other team that I think is lurking out there
Speaker 1: is the Denver Broncos. I think the Broncos could get
Speaker 1: aggressive with a quarterback if they see one that they
Speaker 1: really believe as a superstar. And so maybe they're the
Speaker 1: team that jumps from nine to three to go get
Speaker 1: like a Justin fields and part of the reason why
Speaker 1: they've got a new general man during George Peyton, who
Speaker 1: isn't tied to Drew Locke. If you think about it,
Speaker 1: there are major league questions about whether or not there's
Speaker 1: going to be any first round quarterback prospects in the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two draft. So if you're a first year GM,
Speaker 1: you're looking at it right now. Maybe you're lukewarm on
Speaker 1: Drew Locke and you say, Okay, if we don't get
Speaker 1: one this year and there isn't going to be one
Speaker 1: next year, now, I could be going into year three
Speaker 1: as a general manager still looking for my guy, and
Speaker 1: so I just keep an eye on the Denver Broncos,
Speaker 1: maybe getting aggressive there within the top ten. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't have the answer. I was just told that
Speaker 1: there is an outlier that you know, Denver qualifies an outlier. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I would think so San Francisco would qualify. San Francisco
Speaker 1: is another one. Yeah, I mean I think San Francisco.
Speaker 1: I think San Francisco is tied to Jimmy until they
Speaker 1: can find what they feel like, until they can find
Speaker 1: they feel like it's a significant upgrade. And I've been
Speaker 1: consistent on that. I don't think they're moving. They were
Speaker 1: never moving off of Jimmy. For they're not moving off
Speaker 1: of Jimmy for Gardner Minshew. If Gardner Menshew's coming in there,
Speaker 1: it's as a depth piece because they feel like they
Speaker 1: need better depth at that position. But like I've maintained
Speaker 1: this all along, like I really feel like if there
Speaker 1: was a significant upgrade, they would consider it. Great to
Speaker 1: talk to you again, Albert, thanks for joining us. All right,
Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, That's Albert Breer, the senior NFL reporter lead
Speaker 1: content strategist for the MMQB. Thanks for listening to The
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Speaker 1: on the Peacock app. Did you add some new music
Speaker 1: to the library? Seaton, M No, I didn't add these.
Speaker 1: These are probably some old ones that's coming back around.
Speaker 1: Oh that's curious here. Tribe called Quest. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, but thank you. I'm aware of tribe called Quest,
Speaker 1: but I don't know any of their songs. Now you
Speaker 1: know too, I do. Yeah, this one and the last
Speaker 1: one I put okay, Oh so that was tribe called
Speaker 1: Quest two. I did love the name tribe called Quest. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I've driven around the other day and I heard a
Speaker 1: little Big Daddy Kane early eighties millions, really good rapper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar. You don't a Big Daddy Kane. I
Speaker 1: know the name, but I don't know my very talented rap.
Speaker 1: My knowledge of rap is not that good. Your window
Speaker 1: of music is really what like seven late sixties to
Speaker 1: late seventies? Is that like your wheelhouse? I love a lot.
Speaker 1: I love a lot of music. But um, but if
Speaker 1: you were saying the music I grew up on was blank,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's sixties seventies. But yeah, I mean Tupunk Uh?
Speaker 1: Who else? Uh? Biggie. I think Biggie's the best rapper
Speaker 1: I ever heard. I got the way he sounds. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a big rap Yes, what about
Speaker 1: the Bismarckie and rock him? You know ll cool J though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know who he is, but I don't know it.
Speaker 1: I don't know the music makes me sad? Why it
Speaker 1: makes me sad? But you you all you listen to
Speaker 1: that Billy Joel and Hall and own cruise around with
Speaker 1: the Beastie Boys. You don't like Springstein, you don't know Zeppelin,
Speaker 1: you don't know the Stones, you don't know the who like.
Speaker 1: I feel sad for you. Yes, I've said it before,
Speaker 1: but driving in the car with Todd and letting his
Speaker 1: you know, iPod or whatever kind of music player he
Speaker 1: has just go on shuffle is fascinating because you'll get
Speaker 1: you know, Biggie Smalls followed by air supply, followed by
Speaker 1: like a Guns and Roses song or something. You're like,
Speaker 1: what the music meil sedaka Barry Manilow all that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't know most of that
Speaker 1: Public Enemy right after that, and you're like Public Enemy
Speaker 1: into survivor no kid it? Wow, all right, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Public Enemy. I get, I get their impact
Speaker 1: on music society. But yeah, Biggie Smalls two punk. You know,
Speaker 1: let's bring in Frank. I sold he'd be the guy
Speaker 1: to talk to when it comes to music, Like, there's
Speaker 1: Frank you you want to add anything to this? I
Speaker 1: figured it was the natural segue. He were talking hip hop,
Speaker 1: so why not why not bring me on? I like
Speaker 1: all those guys that you mentioned. I'm like you, Dan,
Speaker 1: I know the songs, I just don't know who played them.
Speaker 1: I went to a YouTube concert years ago. I flew
Speaker 1: out to Portland. It was gonna be the final night
Speaker 1: of their US tour. It was like three days before Christmas.
Speaker 1: My wife's still not talking to me about this because
Speaker 1: I went and Kanye West was the warm up act.
Speaker 1: And we got out there and we were probably like
Speaker 1: we were standing up and we were like three people
Speaker 1: from the stage. He was unbelievable. He was so good.
Speaker 1: He played for about ninety minutes. He was great. And
Speaker 1: you two him up there too. You two has always
Speaker 1: been great. I saw them when they had Muse opened
Speaker 1: up for them and Kings of Leon opened up for them.
Speaker 1: I saw that one too, Yeah, yeah. And I saw
Speaker 1: them with Damien Marley once, you know, like the reggae. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was outstanding, really good. All right, Frank, Well, that
Speaker 1: was it. We appreciate you. I'll see you guys. Woods
Speaker 1: just reported that the Bulls landed uh Nicola Vussevic a
Speaker 1: couple other players for Otto Porter Wendell Carter Junior in
Speaker 1: two first round picks here and the Chicago is still
Speaker 1: in the chase for Lonzo Ball. Why is it that
Speaker 1: other teams want Lonzo Ball but New Orleans doesn't want
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball. I think it's because they're gonna eventually have
Speaker 1: to pay Lonzo Ball. But there is a lot of
Speaker 1: interest in him, and you think about he's improved a lot.
Speaker 1: I think his shot has improved a lot. He's a
Speaker 1: big time athlete. He's not going to be better than
Speaker 1: his brother, but his brother has a chance to be
Speaker 1: a parential All Star. I kind of liked that deal
Speaker 1: though for Chicago Vussovic. There was a good stat that
Speaker 1: somebody just had. There are four guys in the NBA
Speaker 1: this year averaging at least twenty four points and ten
Speaker 1: rebounds Nicola Yokich, Jannisanetakumbo, Joel Embiid. All three of those
Speaker 1: guys whore MVP candidates. Now you have Vussovich, who's putting
Speaker 1: up those numbers on a losing team. I get that,
Speaker 1: but you put him with Zach Levine, and obviously the
Speaker 1: Bulls aren't done. I think this is a team that's
Speaker 1: headed in the right direction with that new management team
Speaker 1: and obviously with Billy Donovan as the head coach. Let
Speaker 1: me go back to New Orleans and the Pelicans. When
Speaker 1: I watch, they're a blow average team. Frank like, I
Speaker 1: don't understand what is missing here? I don't understand this well.
Speaker 1: For one, they don't play enough defense. And I think
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson has been terrific, but on the defensive end,
Speaker 1: he's not good. And you know, we just mentioned LaMelo Ball.
Speaker 1: But one thing that sticks out for me the most
Speaker 1: about LaMelo Ball is he got to Charlotte. He's putting
Speaker 1: up good numbers and the team has been winning. Now
Speaker 1: I get it, he's in the Eastern Conference, so it's
Speaker 1: a little bit different to me. That's still going to
Speaker 1: be the measure in the impact that you're really going
Speaker 1: to have on a team, And maybe there still needs
Speaker 1: to be some growth that has to happen there because
Speaker 1: it is a very young team and it's probably gonna
Speaker 1: it's not going to get older anytime soon, and they're
Speaker 1: just trying to navigate their way through the Western Conference.
Speaker 1: The West is tough. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are disappointed. I think they should be a little bit
Speaker 1: further along. But defense is the problem with that team.
Speaker 1: They just don't guard anybody. Are the Clippers interested in
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball, Like, what's the likelihood, where's his landing spot? Well,
Speaker 1: I think there's a you know, a few teams. I
Speaker 1: think the Knicks, believe it or not, are still interested
Speaker 1: in him. I think if he went to a team
Speaker 1: like the Clippers, I think he could help them. The
Speaker 1: problem with the Clippers is they would love to have
Speaker 1: a guy like Kyle Lowry. But I just don't think
Speaker 1: they have enough to give the Clippers back, not only
Speaker 1: just in terms of assets, because remember they made those
Speaker 1: trades to get Paul George. They gave up all their
Speaker 1: first round picks. But I don't even think they have
Speaker 1: enough to give back in terms of contracts. So to me,
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry, the perfect fit for him would be the Clippers.
Speaker 1: You put him there, That's what they need. A leader,
Speaker 1: a guy that's been through it before, a tough guy.
Speaker 1: He take He's flopping all over the court, he knows
Speaker 1: how to draw fouls. That would be the perfect player.
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball could help them, But does it take them
Speaker 1: over the Lakers if Lebron and Anthony Davis comes back,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. What about Kyle Lowry to
Speaker 1: the Lakers? Do they have the pieces that's that would
Speaker 1: be a big time move for them. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing when you when you have Lebron and your team,
Speaker 1: and who knows, he'll probably play until he's fifty, but
Speaker 1: you know, you have to look at it like you
Speaker 1: have a golden opportunity right now and if they can
Speaker 1: get him, that would be some move. I think Kyle,
Speaker 1: from what I had heard the last couple of days
Speaker 1: from a guy that's close with Kyle Lowry, is that
Speaker 1: you know he really if he's not going to stay
Speaker 1: in Toronto, he'd like to go to Miami. I think
Speaker 1: that's something that appeals to him. But I think the
Speaker 1: Lakers have always been out there and he fits in
Speaker 1: so perfectly with that team in terms of his toughness
Speaker 1: and his leadership could knock down a three point shot.
Speaker 1: Anybody that plays with Lebron is going to be that
Speaker 1: much better. And you put Kyle Lowry and Anthony Davis there,
Speaker 1: come on, that's a pretty formidable team. Aaron Gordon, once
Speaker 1: out of Orlando, where do you think he ends up? Ye, Dan,
Speaker 1: there was a great story. Should look up the quotes
Speaker 1: from Aaron Gordon. He said that he had a meeting
Speaker 1: with management and the expressed frustration with the losing and
Speaker 1: the way that the team has been playing. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: why they paid you the money, so you're the one
Speaker 1: that's supposed to do something about the losing. Imagine how
Speaker 1: frustrated management must be that they're paying you all this money.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's some meaning to have. You know that.
Speaker 1: I got a kick out of that. You know, the
Speaker 1: problem with a lot of these players, you know, can
Speaker 1: they be the third best player on a championship level team?
Speaker 1: That's to me what you're looking at. I don't think
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordons could be your second best player and you
Speaker 1: could be a championship team. Anthony Davis with Lebron Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis when he was in New Orleans got out
Speaker 1: of the first round just one time. So Aaron Gordon,
Speaker 1: I would think the ceiling for him is the third
Speaker 1: best player in a championship team. And I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure where that fits right now. Frank Iasli joining us
Speaker 1: NETS studio host on Yes, he's got the NBA radio
Speaker 1: this starting lineup and you can see him on around
Speaker 1: the horn and pardon the interruption, Are the Clippers a contender? Like?
Speaker 1: It feels like we don't talk about them the way
Speaker 1: we did, say a year ago, Yeah, I think you're right,
Speaker 1: and the way that everything ended in the bubble for them,
Speaker 1: it's nobody's going to take them seriously until we see
Speaker 1: them as an organization finally get to a conference final,
Speaker 1: which is something they've never done before. So Paul George
Speaker 1: is playing well and everyone's saying, talk to me, come
Speaker 1: playoff time. And then the guy that kind of you
Speaker 1: know got off Scott free a little bit here is
Speaker 1: Kawhi Letter. He was the one that came in and
Speaker 1: had them move heaven and earth to bring and Paul
Speaker 1: George and listen, he did play well against Denvery didn't
Speaker 1: have a great game seven, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's Lebron James and he doesn't have a great game seven.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about it today. So you have to
Speaker 1: put a lot on Kawaie. And here's a crazy thing, Dan,
Speaker 1: he could be a free agent. He could leave. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine everything they did to get Kawhi Leonard and
Speaker 1: everything he wanted them to do, and then come the
Speaker 1: off season whatever that is this year, maybe in August,
Speaker 1: he tells them, I'll see you later. I'm going someplace
Speaker 1: else where. Does that lawsuit stand with the guy who
Speaker 1: said he helped facilitate kawhide to the Clippers with Jerry West,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine it's gonna go very far.
Speaker 1: Was Jerry West probably speaking to somebody who's close friends
Speaker 1: with Kawhi Leonard? Absolutely? But did this person have anything
Speaker 1: to do with Kawhi going there? I highly doubt that.
Speaker 1: Dan People were talking about this all throughout the season
Speaker 1: in Toronto. I thought that Toronto was going to be
Speaker 1: able to resign him, not only when they went to
Speaker 1: the finals, but when they won a championship. I figured,
Speaker 1: you out, what, maybe he'll stay one or two years,
Speaker 1: then he'll go out to the Western Conference. But everyone
Speaker 1: was saying Clippers or Lakers all throughout the year. So
Speaker 1: how much did this person have to do with it?
Speaker 1: Just because you had a couple of conversations with Jerry West,
Speaker 1: I'm not buying that. What about the Nets with what
Speaker 1: they're doing, well, James Harden is doing with Kyrie out,
Speaker 1: Durant still out. Did they do anything at the trade deadline? Well,
Speaker 1: they could be a team in the buyout market that's
Speaker 1: been talking about. Maybe JJ Reddick, you know, JaVale McGee
Speaker 1: now was off the board. He got traded. Andre Drummond
Speaker 1: is still out there. The one thing about Brooklyn if
Speaker 1: you look at James Harden what he has done so
Speaker 1: last night, they held him out of the game. And
Speaker 1: Steve Nash after the win against Washington the other night
Speaker 1: and Harden took a knock to the head. He looked
Speaker 1: like he was out of it. His neck was hurt him.
Speaker 1: He started the second half. I was surprised that he
Speaker 1: played in that game. He played against Portland, but Nash
Speaker 1: had said, I'm concerned about the minutes. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do about it. I think they held him
Speaker 1: out of the game last night. He was in uniform.
Speaker 1: To me, that's a player's way of saying, they're holding
Speaker 1: me out. He didn't feel like he needed to get
Speaker 1: dressed up and wear some crazy outfit that he's putting
Speaker 1: on a fashion show on the bench. To me, he
Speaker 1: wanted to be out there. He's carried the team. Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant is their best player. The face of the team
Speaker 1: right now is James Harden. Do you know that he's
Speaker 1: played thirty games. Kevin Durant in his Nets career has
Speaker 1: played nineteen, Kyrie's only played thirty one. This guy missed
Speaker 1: the first thirteen games of the season with the Nets,
Speaker 1: and he's going to end up playing more games than
Speaker 1: both Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irvan. But do you think
Speaker 1: it's Harden's team? I do from this stampoint, he's been
Speaker 1: the one carrying them. Now when they get Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing about the trade deadline today,
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to be trying to make moves. We're assuming
Speaker 1: the Nets are going to get Kevin Durant back. They're
Speaker 1: saying it's only a hamstring injury, and I think now
Speaker 1: they're just being extra cautious. Nobody is acquiring a player
Speaker 1: like the Nets are going to get back and Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1: And Kevin Durant is invested from this stampoint. He knows
Speaker 1: there's one result that he can get. You either win
Speaker 1: or it's been a bus doesn't mean you can't go
Speaker 1: back next year and try to win it. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on them. He is so happy with
Speaker 1: the way that Harden has played, and Hardenes is the
Speaker 1: same way Harden forced his way out of views. He
Speaker 1: knows what his reputation was he knows there's only one
Speaker 1: satisfactory result, and that's winning. That's why this team has
Speaker 1: been all in. Charles Barkley said recently that Harden's best
Speaker 1: player in the game and talked about, you know, just
Speaker 1: what he does offensively, it's unlike anybody else, which I look.
Speaker 1: I agree with the offensive side of this. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's the best player in the game, but he's
Speaker 1: on the short list there. He could have played back
Speaker 1: in the eighties or nineties with the physicality there. I'm
Speaker 1: just curious what Jordan and Kobe some of these players. Now,
Speaker 1: Kobe had a little bit of this era, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, spread spread the floor, can't put your hands
Speaker 1: on anybody. They would have developed into better three point
Speaker 1: shooters because your offense almost calls for that. I said earlier,
Speaker 1: I think that you know, Mike and Kobe average at
Speaker 1: least forty a game at the peak of their careers.
Speaker 1: In today's NBA they average high thirties. You know, back
Speaker 1: in then another era. What do you think, you know
Speaker 1: when you we love to compare arrows there. But if
Speaker 1: I put Jordan in some of these other players in
Speaker 1: today's game, how much does their game change evolve and
Speaker 1: what do you think they average? Well, you were living
Speaker 1: through it when Michael Jordan was going was playing, and
Speaker 1: you remember Doc Rivers about what six foot five Derek
Speaker 1: carp or six foot three, both strong, and they're both
Speaker 1: putting their hand right on Michael Jordan's hip and trying
Speaker 1: to guide them to where they want to take him.
Speaker 1: You were allowed to be really physical with him and
Speaker 1: he still is leading the league in scoring and he's
Speaker 1: winning championships. Can you imagine him in today's NBA with
Speaker 1: how many times they call fouls? He would spend the
Speaker 1: entire game at the free through line seat. For me,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different, and I'm sure you're the
Speaker 1: same way. I think Michael Jordan's the best player of
Speaker 1: all time. I just I never felt you were going
Speaker 1: to beat him four times in a playoff series. So
Speaker 1: I think if you put him in today's NBA, if
Speaker 1: he wanted to and he had the same drive that
Speaker 1: he had back then, because today with the load management,
Speaker 1: who knows how he would be. But if he was
Speaker 1: willing to play eighty games a year, eight to eighty two,
Speaker 1: he's gonna average thirty to thirty five points and he's
Speaker 1: gonna win MVP every year. Yeah. I remember Phil Jackson
Speaker 1: came in, he was promoting his book, and I said,
Speaker 1: what would Mike average now? And he said he could
Speaker 1: see him average forty forty five points. Again, but that's
Speaker 1: if you're coach. If if Michael was playing for the
Speaker 1: Rockets where D'Antoni was his coach, then Mike could average
Speaker 1: whatever he wanted average, because that's what James was allowed
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, you're one hundred percent right. And I
Speaker 1: think ever since Harden got to Brooklyn, if you look
Speaker 1: the other night, he had seventeen assists. He's the when
Speaker 1: he grabs a rebound, much like Lebron, his head is
Speaker 1: up and he's looking to throw the ball ahead. So
Speaker 1: I get it. And Houston, they wanted him to play
Speaker 1: a certain way, and all he did was dribble the
Speaker 1: ball for basically twenty two seconds on the shot clock.
Speaker 1: Then he would take the step back three. But he's
Speaker 1: been an unbelievable leader on this team. He's always looking
Speaker 1: to get guys involved. In Layton games, when he feels
Speaker 1: like he has to take over, he puts his head down,
Speaker 1: he drives to the basket and he makes that floater
Speaker 1: and if the defense commits, he flows, he throws the
Speaker 1: ball up for now you It's amazing how he reads
Speaker 1: the games. He sees the players developed like a split
Speaker 1: second before everybody else. It's the mark really of a
Speaker 1: brilliant player. And it's the one thing that is probably
Speaker 1: not highlighted with Harden because we look at him as
Speaker 1: a gunner, a volume shooter. His ability to and you
Speaker 1: say this, keep his head up and see the floor
Speaker 1: and see a play before it develops. That's rarely highlighted
Speaker 1: with James Harden. Yeah, and I think too if you
Speaker 1: look at Mike D'Antoni, he had in Phoenix Steve Nash
Speaker 1: or two time MVP in the league, and I think
Speaker 1: Nash was the same obviously the same way. The difference
Speaker 1: is that Harden at any point could just dominate a
Speaker 1: game scoring. That's what makes them so tough. So if
Speaker 1: they get Kevin Durant back and Kyrie Irving is going
Speaker 1: to be around and he's going to play in every game,
Speaker 1: it's going to be so difficult for any team in
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference to beat them. Now, Milwaukee with PJ Tucker,
Speaker 1: now that true Holiday is back. Look the way that
Speaker 1: they've played I think it's now eight in a row.
Speaker 1: So they'll be a tough team. Philadelphia has done really
Speaker 1: well and beat and beat us, dominated the nets a
Speaker 1: couple of times this season, so they'll present challenges. But
Speaker 1: if and I understand it's a seven foot you know,
Speaker 1: if that's Kevin Durant in his health. But if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you can beat that team
Speaker 1: because with Durant and Durant and hard and they're unstoppable.
Speaker 1: Then you throw Kyrie into the mix, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: has played really well the last three weeks. He's just
Speaker 1: not with the team now the last couple of games.
Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this, if the Bucks had won
Speaker 1: the championship last year, would the MVP voters be looking
Speaker 1: at the Greek freak differently and maybe a three peat
Speaker 1: against being held against him? Hey, I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I always say that two about the voting. You know,
Speaker 1: the media votes for it, and we all kind of
Speaker 1: like a story. It was like Karl Malone winning that
Speaker 1: one year when you probably could have given it to
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Like you could give it to Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: every year. You can kind of give it to Lebron.
Speaker 1: But remember though, we did vote based on the season ending.
Speaker 1: I think it was March eleventh or March twelfth, whenever,
Speaker 1: it was last year, and at that point Jannis had
Speaker 1: done more, the team had the best record in the league.
Speaker 1: From the bubble, Leon Lebron was the best player. So
Speaker 1: Lebron is bringing up an argument which really didn't hold water.
Speaker 1: We had voted in March. But I do think you're right,
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes there's a little voter fatigue with
Speaker 1: an MVP. That's why maybe this could be the year
Speaker 1: for a guy like Damian Lillard, maybe Nicolee Yokich, James Harden.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing to the media might be thinking
Speaker 1: out of the way that you handled your exit and
Speaker 1: you said, I don't like it either, But come on now,
Speaker 1: the guy is certainly an MVP canate. But with mbiad
Speaker 1: out right now and Lebron out, it's kind of wide
Speaker 1: open and the honest certainly is making a move right now.
Speaker 1: Is that Lenn Bias's jersey behind, Yes, the great Len Bias.
Speaker 1: What's the reason behind me? I went I went to Maryland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a freshman with his last year. What a
Speaker 1: senior year he had. They went down to Carolina. Carolina
Speaker 1: had never lost, they were number one in the country.
Speaker 1: They had never lost a game yet in the deemed
Speaker 1: home right. Yeah, and that's when len Bias went down.
Speaker 1: And that was that great play where he has he
Speaker 1: hits the three, then he steals the inbound from Kenny
Speaker 1: Smith and dunks the ball backward. I mean, come on, now,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good college. How would you describe him?
Speaker 1: For those who didn't see len Bias, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: if he asked Michael Jordan, he would I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say it's on Michael Jordan's level, but if he
Speaker 1: had played for the Boston Celtics when that group still
Speaker 1: had a lot left, I don't think it's much of
Speaker 1: a reach to say that he would have been that
Speaker 1: they would won another championship. He went to Duke sor
Speaker 1: So his senior They beat number one Caroline and Carolina
Speaker 1: where you know they get every single call, Dean Smith
Speaker 1: standing up the whole time complaining about traveling. They went
Speaker 1: down to Duke and I think he had forty or
Speaker 1: forty one, and the Duke students were balanced in they
Speaker 1: were they were doing this so like people knew that
Speaker 1: Lin Bias was a different kind of player. Frank, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. Enjoyed the day and we appreciate you
Speaker 1: spending time with us. Thanks Dan Good Senior. That's Frank Gisli.
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