1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. A shocking confession in the case 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: of the four missing men in Bucks County. Cosmo DeNardo 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: says he killed them all. What do you have to 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: say anything? That the four men have been missing since 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: last week? Cosmo Denardo's defense attorney says that his client 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: admitted his guilt and told investigators where they can find 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: the bodies. Mr DeNardo confessed to the district Attorney. The 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: d A promised him the death penalty would be off 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: the table. Despite confessing the killing and burning the bodies 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: of four young men. Did he act alone? We're hearing 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: this morning there is a second person of interest. You 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: would think at this point we would all be stoic, 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: we would all be jaded. It was simply be just 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: another story. But it's not like that. It's never like that. 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: When I dare to read another story out of Bucks County, 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm still stunned that the disappearance of four young boys 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: and the prime of their life, one having just finished 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: his freshman year at Loyola on the Dean's list, the 20 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: other three all friends, all friends and connected in one 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: way or the other having gone to high school together. 22 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Uh Facebook friends together, know each other, two of them 23 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: very best friends. They're dead, all four of them in 24 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: a mass grave. I'm talking about the four missing in 25 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: Bucks County. Police now find at least one body identified 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: in a mass grave at a five million dollar farm, 27 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: reports saying the son the owner is a schizophrenic twenty 28 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: year old who had been selling pot and guns for years. 29 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: The parents remained type lipped about their son's activities with 30 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: me from w f m z TV Jamie Stover and 31 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: psychologists from New York Karen Stark. Jamie, what is the latest? 32 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: We now learn that there is a so called mystery 33 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: accomplice that was made last night when after the bombshell 34 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: announcement comes out that Cosmo Deernardo has has come forward 35 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: and confessed twenty four hours after those remains were were identified. 36 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: As as you mentioned, his attorney comes out says that 37 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: he has confessed all because he's trying to avoid the 38 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: death penalty in this and while his attorney Pauline, it's 39 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: sort of dodged the question about their being um somebody 40 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: else potentially involved. The AP now coming out with a 41 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: source last night saying that they're is somebody else that 42 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: they're potentially looking into, essentially saying that Cosmo DeNardo have 43 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: help in this. And since Cosmo Denardo's confession came out, 44 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of reporters were expecting to see 45 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: the district attorney come out and and make comment on this. 46 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: You know, you would, you would think this would be 47 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: a big win for the prosecution. What better than having 48 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: a person of interest come and tell you what happened. 49 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: But he didn't have any of those news conferences last night, 50 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: um expecting to have another one today. I'll tell you 51 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about that, Jamie, is if what they're 52 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: saying is true, if the reports are true, Alan Duke, 53 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: I find it impossible for a police officer to give 54 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: a plea deal. In other words, let DeNardo plead guilty 55 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: in exchange for not seeking the death penalty on the luring, 56 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: the ambush, the murder of four young boys, and now 57 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: we're learning that he tried to allegedly tried to burn 58 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: them to hide the bodies. I mean, where were his 59 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: parents during all of this? When all of this has 60 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: been happening, and not only that, reportedly there have been 61 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: thirty so called brushes with the law and very few, 62 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: if any arrests. What how much money does it take 63 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: for you to have thirty brushes with the law as 64 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: they are calling it, and you don't do jail time? 65 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: How does that work? Alan? Do you thirty arrest thirty 66 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: brushes with the law? They weren't arrest because they let 67 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: him go. He did do an involuntary visit stint whatever 68 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: to a mental health facility j at least one. No, 69 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: but it is they do that instead of because they 70 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: figured that that can help tex hold on, Karen Stark, 71 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: you're the psychologist and involuntary. Some people call it a 72 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: Baker Act, which is a case um where some Baker 73 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: had to go to an involuntary commitment that's not jail 74 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: that can last. Remember when Britney Spears had an involuntary commitment? 75 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: Was she there a couple of weeks? Man x and 76 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: they appointed a guardian for her and she came right 77 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: out thirty brushes with the law? Jamie Stover, do you 78 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: know anything about the thirty brushes with the law. I've 79 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: seen reports of that I am not familiar with with 80 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: with the additional that you're talking about. Of course, we 81 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: all know about the the gun charge that stemmed from February. Well, 82 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: that was refiled this week, and then obviously the the 83 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: other charge, the only charge standing at this point related 84 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: to this case, for the stolen vehicle. If that is true, 85 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, then the systems got blood on their hands, 86 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 1: because if that's true, they've let this guy walk free, 87 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: marching around his parents multimillion dollars seventy acre state, however 88 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: many acres it is, dressed in camo, carrying a gun 89 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: and selling pot and nobody did anything. Why because he's rich? 90 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: I want to know the answer to that. But another 91 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: thing I want to know is about this mystery accomplice, 92 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: and there are more than just so called rumors to 93 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: support that theory. In the night, police converged on another 94 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: home and made an arrest. Speculation reports are that that 95 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: arrest is connected to these four missing, now presumed dead boys. 96 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: Now a theory is emerging that Cosmo di Nardo, the 97 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: twenty year old son of this real estate magnate, is schizophrenic. 98 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: What exactly does that mean? Or are we heading right 99 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: down the path to a mental mental defense in this Karen? 100 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: What do you know? Well, it's it's very hard to 101 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: say whether in fact the defense would choose that or 102 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: m I try to I would suspect they would. But 103 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: if he is, if he has been diagnosed as schizophrenic, Nancy, 104 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: that means that there is a potential for harm and 105 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: schizophrenia there's no way to really know when the delusions 106 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: or the hallucinations would get somebody to commit violence, would 107 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: force them. After all, if you're a parent, it's schizophrenic 108 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: you think that things are happening to you and you 109 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: believe that people are out to get you. And in 110 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: that case, um, you're not of sane mind, so you 111 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: can't be able to make that judgment. And there is 112 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 1: a propensity towards violence, usually against themselves more than someone else. 113 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: But it leads me to the question, if he has 114 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: been diagnosed with this so long ago, then why is 115 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: he still walking around selling pot driving with access to guns. 116 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: If you look on his Facebook, he's in some sneaker 117 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: aficionado club online and you see ammunition interspersed with the shoes. 118 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: It's it's very upsetting. I mean, for him to be 119 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: in that condition, we can't help that. All we could 120 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: do is treat that, but then to let him the 121 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: potential to harm other people. And now four are dead. 122 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: That is that to me is a crime. How his 123 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: parents let that happen. So what how do you treat 124 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: karen schizophrenia? You have to use the anti psychotic drugs, 125 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: Nancy and um almost all most of the time. I 126 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: really would say that when people are given the proper treatment, 127 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: these things don't happen. The problem is it's very hard 128 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: for parents, UM to accept that this change person is 129 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: their child, that they might be in danger or anyone 130 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: else's danger. And that you find very very often that 131 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: parents really can't look at it. And it's not that um, 132 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: they want to be like that. It's it's more like 133 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: they can't believe that their child is capable of this 134 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: kind of violence and it doesn't schizophrenia and hint in 135 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: the late teens in men. Yes, And so you've had 136 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: a whole lifetime really say fifty in seventeen years with 137 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: a child that's perfectly normal, lovable, trusting, sweet, does well 138 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: in school, a mother's dreaming, and suddenly it's like the 139 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: lights go off and schizophrenia takes ahold of them. I 140 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: guess it is hard for the parents to accept that. 141 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: I guess it's even harder for the parents to accept 142 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: that their young son is now dead because of someone 143 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: else not managing their child, or not writing their child 144 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: in or getting the correct treatment, or if he did 145 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: have the correct treatment, then there was nothing that could 146 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: be done about this. Those are the two choices what 147 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: we are also hearing from sources. Jamie Stover w f 148 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: m z TV, if you can comment on this, that 149 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: these schizophrenic schizophrenic killers quote accomplice has been arrested. That 150 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: dinar to know who is in fact a drug dealer. 151 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if he schizophrenic, he's able to keep his 152 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: wits about him to sell drugs, tells police he murdered 153 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: four men for quote cheating him in a pot deal 154 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: and then burn their bodies with the help of a 155 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: mystery person. That's what we're seeing come out. That's what 156 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: we saw come out last night, uh from reports from 157 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: the Associated Press. But you know, it's also interesting and 158 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but but 159 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: last night we also came across UM screenshots showing supposed 160 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: to be UM conversations that were happening after after these 161 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: disappearances would have had in which a friend was asked 162 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: asking his body cosbo of DeNardo about his friend Dean 163 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: missing um and we're seeing you know what? What? How 164 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: Cosmo was was responding to friends asking about friends missing 165 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: UM and these are screenshots that I guess friends had 166 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: had saved for whatever reason. I saw it. It was shocking. 167 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: It was cold, cruel and callous what he reportedly If 168 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: these are his screenshots? What he was saying about his friend. 169 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: He went to high school with one of the missing boys, 170 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: and I think was on that Facebook sneaker chat room 171 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: with him. So what did he say? Jamie? A friend asks, 172 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: your buddy Dean is missing. Aren't you worried about buddy 173 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: dead Dean? Uh? And this user named Cosmo says, I 174 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: mean I know the kid, but yeah, I feel bad 175 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: for his parents. And then he goes on to make 176 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: allegations about his friend Dean having do you WI is 177 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: getting arrested for things like stolen bikes. He refers to 178 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: him as he's a pill popping junkie who had two 179 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: d U I s and got popped for stolen bikes 180 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: and guns. He probably just jumped parole or probation. Yeah 181 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: that I think that's a little projecting. There is no 182 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: evidence any of these victims had any kind of a 183 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: past like that. In fact, I know for a fact 184 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: one was a deem student for Pete's sake. That that's that. 185 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think he is projecting his 186 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: own persona and trashing the victims. And the really reality is, 187 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, if he is to be believed, he has 188 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: killed them, burn their bodies and put him in a 189 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: mass grave, and now he's trashing them online. I don't 190 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: care what they did or who they are. That's the reality. Well, 191 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: but there goes that has to do with the delusions again, Nancy, 192 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean for him, they deserve to have this happen 193 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: there now. I'm sorry, Karen, I just had to roll 194 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: my eyes at you your delusions. And you know he 195 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: was he had the wherewithal to be a dope dealer, 196 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: He had the wherewithal to pull off, according to him, 197 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: the murders of four innocent people. And I'm not saying that, 198 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: lou Cops, for all this time, how can he be crazy? 199 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: Can still have schizophrenia, He can still have be paranoid 200 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: and function, you know, you know, function sell drugs, sell guns. 201 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: But he is not seeing things the way a normal 202 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: person would see things. Schizophrenia does not allow you to 203 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: see the world the way you or I would be 204 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: able to do it. If you notice there are also 205 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: pictures of him. I think it's him with a gun, 206 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: and in one of the pictures he really does seem 207 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: very That just came out of your mouth. As long 208 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: as I have known you, you saw a picture of 209 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: him and you think he's insane? What about this? When 210 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: he's asked uh. In the same exchange, Jamie Stover from 211 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: w f M z t V was just telling us 212 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: about the friend goes on, why did they go to 213 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: your property? And he goes because no reason for people 214 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: to come to my place where we don't live. I 215 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: have no clue, bro, but it's weird. People keep hitting 216 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: me up. I have no idea what's up? So you're 217 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: telling me, Karen Stark, no offense because you know you 218 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: and I've been together a long time now. But Karen, 219 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: you're telling me and always disagreeing about that. This guy 220 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: who has millions at his fingertips through his parents, can 221 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: be given any kind of mental treatment at the best 222 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: facilities in the world. Can have a dope operation, can 223 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: sell stolen cars or try to can sell guns, can 224 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: pull off a quadruple murder, conceal the bodies in a 225 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: mass grave, elude police, and then form lies about it online. 226 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: That is not crazy, Karen, Well, it is. It is 227 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: if you look at the definition of schizophrenia in the 228 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: in this instance, he's crazy, but he's functioning. So I 229 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: don't know if he knew the difference between right and wrong. Nancy, 230 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: you could say that about America functioning crazy and I 231 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm raising my hand up. Is a real disease, and 232 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't always include somebody being violent. But if in 233 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: fact he's untreated and he has been hospitalized with schizophrenia, 234 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: his parents were in denial, and he was not medicated, 235 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: and anything is possible. You think you got you think 236 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: you got me over the barrel, Just hold on, hold on. 237 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: The legal definition of insanity in our country is not 238 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: knowing the difference between right wrong at the time act. 239 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: That's the old McNaughton rule. And it was a case 240 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: when Great Britain and the defendant was McNaughton right. It 241 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: came over when the pilgrims came here. And as part 242 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: of our common law, which means cases, court cases all 243 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: the way up to the U. S. Supreme Court have 244 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: verified it and it is a legal precedent here. And 245 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: if he knew up to burn the bodies, conceal the evidence, 246 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: lie evade police, he knew it was wrong. That means 247 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: under the law he is not insane, but that is 248 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: that is illegal about that, Missy, that's a legal definition 249 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: versus yes, there is illness. And he's apologized. Thinker here, 250 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: Alan Deep tuning up, All right, go ahead, out and 251 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: he's apologized. Let's let's listen to his apology. He apologized 252 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: last night. Let me play that. Let's hear the apology. Cosmo, 253 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: what do you say to these families? Cosmo, you admitted 254 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: to killing four people? Why do you do it? What 255 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: do you have to say to these families, Cosmo? Anything 256 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: you're saying to the family, you're going with me. In 257 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: addition to Karen Stark, psychologist out of New York, is 258 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: Jamie Stover from w f m Z TV. So where 259 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: does it stand now, Jamie reporting from Bucks County. What's 260 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: happening now? All right, now, everybody's waiting to waiting to 261 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: find out, you know, who is this additional person that 262 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: they're looking into in this case. We were expecting the 263 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: district attorney to maybe come out with that this morning. 264 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: But now we're finding that he's postponing his news conferences again, 265 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: likely not until the afternoon. So it appears, at least 266 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: from our standpoint, that perhaps there's a lot more work 267 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: to be done in this case. Even though despite that 268 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: confession according to Cosmos attorney last night about him, you know, 269 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: fessing up and and and saying that he was forthright 270 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: and and then doing all this to avoid the death penalty, 271 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: there has not been a single homicide charge filed. So 272 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: we're still waiting on that. Perhaps they are working on 273 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: that as we speak, or you know, perhaps they're still 274 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: waiting to to talk to this other individual that they 275 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: think may have been involved in this, to to find 276 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: out more on what exactly happened at the DiNardo property. 277 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: You know, another thing when you said we're waiting and 278 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: you finished that Sinence Jamie Stover by talking about, you know, 279 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: our are going to be charges. Is there a mystery 280 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: accomplice that helped him dispose of the bodies? What I 281 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: thought you were going to say, just from me projecting 282 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: as we're waiting to identify the other bodies, and Karen Stark, 283 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something just to say that brings 284 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: up the worst feelings because you know, for crime victims 285 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: that have been through it, that have lived through someone 286 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: you love more than anything in the world being murdered, 287 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: it's horrible and you really never get beyond it. You 288 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: never it's just part of your DNA from then on him. 289 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: I know they're trying to solve the case. I know 290 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: they're trying to find out if there's a mystery person. 291 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: But you know, I have my twins this morning, You 292 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: have your wonderful husband. We we all have our loved 293 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: one with us. Alan, you're nearly wed, I mean. And 294 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: these parents they're waking up this morning trying to figure 295 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: out if they were part of a bad dream, the 296 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: worst dream they've ever had in their life, a nightmare, 297 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: and they hit the ground, their feet touched the floor, 298 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: off the side of the bed, and they realize it's real. 299 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: Their son is dead, most likely in a mass grave, 300 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: waiting for a body to be identified. So I'm gonna 301 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: leave all the legal machinations to the d A as 302 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: it unfolds, as we send up our prayers for the 303 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: victims families at this hour. Jamie Stover from w f 304 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: M Z t V and Karen Stark Psychologists out of 305 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: New York. Thank you for being with us as we 306 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: stand by and wait for the latest. Along with these families, 307 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: Thank you. Ladies. Abbey and Austin Connor on a family 308 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: getaway with their entire familyly into to Camcoon, Mexico. It's 309 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: like a dream, I know. With the twins, I'm so 310 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: busy getting up at five thirty every morning, getting everything 311 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: ready for them to school, taking them to school, trying 312 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: to get to work on time, trying to get all 313 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: the bases covered. And I really look forward to vacation 314 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: time when I can just be with them. You know, 315 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: I waited my whole life to have them, and you 316 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: get bogged down in everyday life, but you finally get away. 317 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: The parents get away with Abbey and Austin Connor. Within 318 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: just two hours of arriving at their vacation destination in Cancoun, 319 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: the brother and sister, Abbey and Austin found face down 320 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: in the resort pool, face down, Abbey dead. The last 321 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: thing Austin can't remember, it's being with a group of men. 322 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: They were supposed to meet their parents after the pool 323 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: for dinner, and they never showed up. It is now 324 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: going on six months and Cancoun authorities have done nothing. 325 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime stories and I want answers. 326 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: You pay out the nose for some so called luxury vacation. 327 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: This is Paraso del Mar near Playa del Carmen. Bottom 328 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: line is Cancoun and Americans flood to Cancoun, which is 329 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: part of Mexico. It's nearby, it's on the beach, white 330 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: sandy beaches. But what they don't know is just recently 331 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: a Department of Justice report details the facts. And now 332 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: you better think twice before your vacation in Cancoon. Joining 333 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: me right now, longtime friend and called league syndicated talk 334 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: show host Dave mac Dave, you've got children, I've got children. 335 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: What do you make of this story? Nancy, I've actually 336 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: got children in these age groups you're talking. Abbey is 337 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: a twenty year old swimmer. So is that Austin is 338 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: twenty two. They're very close. They were together in the 339 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: pool and what I met looking at is they were 340 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: just typical college age kids having a couple of adult 341 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: beverages at the pool bar. That's all they were doing. 342 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: The thing is, Nancy, as you dig deeper in this 343 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna find out that their mom and stepdad actually 344 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: came and hung out with them for a little while 345 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: and watched them swim. Then about an hour before they 346 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: were to meet their mom and stepdad for dinner, they 347 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: were left alone in the pool and they ran a 348 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: foul of somebody because you don't drown by yourself and 349 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: have a golf ball size. Uh, well, both of them. Yeah, 350 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 1: she had a broken collar bone. She had a broken 351 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: collar bone. It was drowned in four ft of water. 352 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: They're also conflicting reports among the police reports. You mentioned 353 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: that Cancoon Is is this resort place, and it's beautiful, 354 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: but you know what, for for thirty years they told Americans, 355 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: don't go off the property, don't go into the town. Well, 356 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: in the last three years, the trouble has come to 357 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: these resorts and these types of scenarios are playing out 358 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: on a more than regular basis. All you have to 359 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: do is take a quick google. There are stories coming 360 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: out of these resorts where people are experiencing there at 361 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: at the bar, they're having a couple of drinks. Next 362 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: thing they know, they've got body damage and they wake 363 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: up in a either a hotel, a hospital room, or 364 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: a hotel room that they don't know where their stuff is. 365 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: These guys are so young, Abbey and Austin Connor, and 366 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: if it were just one of them, I wouldn't find 367 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: it as suspicious, Dave mac. But you've got the brother 368 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: and sister and their last recollection was sitting there with 369 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: some other guys. It was a restaurant right there at 370 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: the pool. They were sitting there. Then they recall they're 371 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: coming to the brother. Is Abby floating in the pool 372 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: face down, foam coming out of her nose. Austin also 373 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: found floating face down in the pool. Abbey was declared 374 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: brain dead there in can Kom. This family had gotten 375 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: there from Pewaukee, Wisconsin, and they were only on this 376 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: resort property just a couple of hours with mom Jenny 377 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: and stepdad John before both found in the pool. Abbey, 378 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: of course, as I mentioned, was declared brain dad before 379 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: she was eventually taken off life support. And there's something 380 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: so scary. It's bad enough when you are familiar with 381 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: the territory, much less when you're not. Now catch this. 382 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: The last thing Austin remembers is being there at the 383 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: pool with his little sister and a group of guys 384 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: invite them over for a drink with their group. That's important, 385 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: Dave Matt. Remember one drink? That was it? One drink 386 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: and the next thing the boy remembers, Austin is waking 387 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 1: up in an ambulance. He says, he's been in college 388 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: for five years and he's had a couple of drinks, 389 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: but no way would he put his face down in 390 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: a pool and go to sleep. They are victims of 391 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: some sick person that drugged them. He said he never 392 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: felt drunk. They had one drink. He's six two and 393 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty five pounds. They were meeting their 394 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: parents just forty five minutes later, and they never made it. 395 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: So what do you make of the fact that this 396 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: group of guys, unbeknownst to them, never seen them before, 397 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: say hey, come over here and have a drink with us. 398 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: They're all at the little outdoor restaurant together. So they do. 399 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: He wakes up in an ambulance. Day man, Nancy, There's 400 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: a lot more to this. I mean, what you're laying 401 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: out is scary enough, but it actually is worse when 402 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: you look at the police report and what they're claiming happened. 403 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: All right, First of all Abby and Austin were together 404 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: the entire time. They were swimming together, they were playing together, 405 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: they were in their first hour of their vacation. They 406 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: were preparing to meet their mother and stepfather for dinner. 407 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: Somewhere in the midst of all of this, mom and 408 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: stepdad come back from walk on the beach. They say, 409 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: we'll meet you in an hour, and in that hour time, 410 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: they run a foul of this group of thugs who 411 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: are rough housing in the pool. And it's a big pool. 412 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: It's a huge pool, but nobody sees what happens. And 413 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: that's the catch. This is a five star resort. You 414 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: have a young brother and sister that are in the 415 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: pool together watching one another, but they run into this 416 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: group that invites him over for a drink. They have 417 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: one shot with this group and then everything goes to blackout. 418 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: But look at the injuries. Austin is six ft two 419 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: and a hundred and fifty five pounds. He's got a 420 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: golf ball size not on his head and the doctor 421 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: said it was a severe concussion. And his sister, she 422 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: is dead in the pool for all intents and purposes, 423 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: and she's got a broken collar bomb But nobody saw 424 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: what happened. You're at a five star resort. You've got 425 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: one person claims that she saw them struggling to get 426 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: out of the pool and she went to get help, 427 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: but the police never talked to her. On top of 428 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: all that, Nancy, when the hospital crew got them out, 429 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: they sent them to the hospital that was the smallest 430 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: hospital and the furthest away. There was a much bigger, 431 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: much better prepared hospital, much closer to the property than 432 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: the one they sent these two. The this five star 433 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: resort did everything they could to get it as far 434 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: away from them, and now they've shut down the investigation. 435 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: Two year old Austin twenty year old Abbey. Abbey's gone 436 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: and Austin doesn't know what happened. I just don't see 437 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: how it could be with me. Also, in addition to 438 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: syndicated talk show has Dave mack is Alan the Duke 439 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: Duke joining us on the story. Alan, I just don't 440 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: see how this is a simple drowning when he has 441 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: no recollection of what happened. After one drink with that 442 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: group at the pool, he has a concussion and she 443 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: has a broken collar bone and slips into a coma. 444 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: That's not a drowning Alan. Now, unfortunately, the local police 445 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: don't appear to have done much of an investigation, talking 446 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: to maybe three of the resort staffers about what happened. 447 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: So that's why the family has now hired an American 448 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: lawyer with the Mexico office to pressure the police to 449 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: reopen the investigation and find out what happened. It is 450 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: a place I wouldn't go to after what happened in 451 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten to Monica Burgos. Remember that the survivor, 452 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: producer's wife. He's now doing a dozen years in a 453 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: Mexico prison for that. That was only thirty two miles 454 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: away from this resource. Now, when you have the Department 455 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: of Justice, the US Department of Justice issuing a warning, 456 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: I would listen. And you know, Alan and Dave, I 457 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: don't know if you know this. We had planned to 458 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: take the children on a surprise Disney cruise and that 459 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: when they got out of school, and this is in May, 460 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: and uh we went down there when they got out 461 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: of school, to Cape Canaveral and when I woke up, 462 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: and we're going to board the ship the next morning. 463 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: When I woke up, it was about six o'clock in 464 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: the morning. And David, my husband was gone, and I texted, 465 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: I said, David, where are you, p as, how's your mom? 466 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: His mom had been sick, he wrote back, texted back, 467 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: my mom passed away. Okay. We were stunned, very very 468 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: close to his mom, Miss Lynch and um, you know 469 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't like their mother in laws. 470 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: I loved mine deeply. Anyway, we turn around and come 471 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: straight back. So we rebooked, and we rebooked, and there 472 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: were some different islands that it was going to. We 473 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: would go on the Disney approved outings on those islands, 474 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: because I've covered so many tragedies of American tourists when 475 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: they go to islands, it's never good. But maybe, Dave, 476 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: it's in my line of business. I only really hear 477 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: about the bad things. But I would take them off 478 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: the ship at at every stop. But we only went 479 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: to the Disney offerings because you know, I felt secure 480 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: that Disney would offer something that was age appropriate and 481 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: safe for nine year old children, and and they all were. 482 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: But then sharing off or trusting these all inclusive resorts, 483 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: that just gives me a bad feeling. Is it because 484 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: we know what we know? Dat Nancy, it could be 485 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: but you know, and since I went on so I 486 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: started looking at this story. Today, I went ahead and 487 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: just did a little research to see are there other 488 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: complaints about this resort or similar complaints to the story 489 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: we're doing. Do you realize there are pages Nancy, pages 490 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: and pages of people who are posting of similar incidents 491 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: where they're not robbed, but they're physically abused in some 492 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: way and they don't recall it. I mean, we're not 493 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: talking one or two. We're talking twelve, fifteen, sixteen, all 494 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: in Cancoon. This apparently is something that's going on. That's 495 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: why we've got the State Department issuing the warning to Americans. 496 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: But you think about it, you talk about you know, 497 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: you go, you're going on this dream vacation. You expect 498 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: your children to be safe. Maybe we are a little 499 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: jada because this is what we cover. But then again, 500 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen stories in the space of two minutes of looking, Uh, 501 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: there's there's more to this story than meets the eye. 502 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: And this family is desperate France. Well yeah, I'm Angel 503 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: common sense, Dave, common sense, Alan Duke. I could understand 504 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: one of them hitting their heads somehow, maybe on a 505 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: diving board, maybe on the side of the pool, but 506 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: two of them, both of them hitting their head with 507 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: that severity, And even if it was some freak accident, 508 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: which of course it's not for both of them to 509 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: be harmed like this, where was where were the lifeguards? 510 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: Where were the staff? Even if it's an accident, it 511 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: just none of it makes sense. So, Dave Mac, what 512 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: have we learned about any police investigation in king Kids. 513 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: We've learned is that the police talked to a total 514 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: of three people at the hotel. Um. We don't have 515 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: any real investigation. They closed it within a week by 516 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: just saying it was an accidental drowning and they've left 517 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: it at that, and the family is trying to get 518 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: more answers. That's why we're talking about it six months 519 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: after the fact, because they still don't know what's going on. 520 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: This police investigation is in embarrassment and Americans that you 521 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: know what you talk with your money, stop going to 522 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: Cancun and we solved this and that will wake him up. 523 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: You know what's crazy? You're You're gonna fall over when 524 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: I tell you this, Dave Mac. You know how involved 525 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: I was in covering the Natalie Holloway disappearance and death 526 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: in Aruba. Do you know the more the story was covered, 527 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: the higher the American tourism right win, Yes, ma'am, I do, 528 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: I remember. You know why? Why is that we were right? 529 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: You know what was bad is you know I was 530 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: doing a radio show in Birmingham and had actually done 531 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: services at Hurt Natalie's home church the month before they 532 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: went on the senior trip. We were intimately from familiar 533 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: with all those people involved, and there were people dying 534 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: to go to Aruba. They wanted to see Carlos and 535 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: Charlie's they wanted It was almost like some kind of weird, 536 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, tourist attraction. Okay, that's that's ghoulish. Yes, that's 537 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: just ghoulish. Listen to this, Dave mac. This is what 538 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: Abby's dad says. I still can't believe this happened. I'm 539 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: still waiting for my daughter to walk through the door. 540 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: This couldn't have happened. It's I think two things, Dave Mac. One, 541 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: the shock of loving losing his child. In two. The 542 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: facts do not add up. The facts do not add up, 543 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: and that is why he's still turning it over and 544 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: over in his mind like a Rubik's cube. He can't 545 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: make it fit because it doesn't fit because it's a lie. 546 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: We're doing this story and I think the same thing. 547 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: There's gotta be a problem. There's got to be a mistake. 548 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen like this and four ft of water 549 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: and the boy doesn't even remember getting in a way, 550 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: you have an accidental drowning in a pool with your 551 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: brother where he's hit on the head and has a 552 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: severe concussion, and you have a broken collar bone. That, 553 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,239 Speaker 1: my friend, is not an accidental. I think that we 554 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: were talking about whether we were jaded. I don't think 555 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: we're jaded. I think I love my children and I 556 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: want to protect them in every way, and I want 557 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: other people to hear the story and to be able 558 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: to protect their children, to be armed with the knowledge 559 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: that we have that we have gotten from from studying 560 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: this and investigating this. Dave mac, I'm not done with 561 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: this investigation. Thank you for being with me. Absolutely than 562 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: a hard working husband is dead now claims that his 563 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: brand new wife, his bride. His newly wed bride orders 564 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: a hit man just four months into the marriage. Why 565 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: so she could collect his one hundred thousand dollar life 566 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: insurance policy. That's right, Yaloma Walker was set to receive 567 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy benefits when her 568 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: husband passed away, reportedly orders a hit on her groom. 569 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: He's dead now, but one catch. She forgot to check 570 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: the life insurance policy. She's not the beneficiary. He's six 571 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: ft under and she's getting nothing. Joining me right now, 572 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: Robin Willinski, my colleague, the senior news anchor at the 573 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: Blaze Network. Robin is great to hear your voice. What 574 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: happened with Yoloma Walker? Well, Nancy, great to be on 575 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: your new show. I will tell you this. You ever 576 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: hear the expression smart, smart, but dumb. She had this 577 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: elaborate plot to have him murdered. And then, oh, by 578 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: the way, his ex wife he never changed his ex 579 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,720 Speaker 1: wife's name, so she never got a dime of the money. 580 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: And now she's facing uh life in prison and it's 581 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: hard not to laugh with me. Also, as Alan Duke, 582 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: the Duke, you know why she was in so much trouble. 583 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: She ran up tens of thousands of dollars in debt, 584 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: credit card debt, you name it, debt, debt, debt, and 585 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: she couldn't get out of it, so she orders a 586 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: hit on her brand new husband, um William Walker, she 587 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: had just married four months before. Her plan had one 588 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: glaring problem from the outset. Her husband had not changed 589 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: the beneficiary on his insurance policy. He had not taken 590 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: his ex wife's name off and changed it to Yloma's 591 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: when he was killed. So the ex wife, Oh, don't 592 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: you know that is killing her killing the bride that 593 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: the ex wife gets all the money. Oh, that's insult 594 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: to injury. So how did the whole thing go sideways? 595 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: And what do we know about all the debt that 596 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: she had racked up? Nancy? First of all, let me say, 597 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: when I got married in May, the very first thing 598 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: is we stepped off that beach. My new wife made 599 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: sure that everything was changed over. But I believe from 600 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: everything I know about this that I mean your insurance policy, everything. 601 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? She couldn't wait. We had to go 602 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: down to the courthouse today just to see if the 603 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: marriage certificate was processed so she could go ahead and 604 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: change her passport in her driver's license. She never even 605 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: changed my name? Or do people still do that? Apparently? 606 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: Do people still change their name? Yes? Yes? What still do? 607 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: So all the names match up? Yeah? And then if 608 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: somebody dies, then you can cash in on the check. 609 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: But reading this story is making me wait, wait, wait, wait, 610 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I don't have time to go change my name. 611 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm not changing my name. Let David change his name 612 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: for pete sake. In fact, I'm actually thinking of changing 613 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: the children's name to Grace. But that's a whole another 614 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: cannon wars. Let me get back to this lady now. 615 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: I want to talk about her debt. What do we 616 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: know about her debt? Do we know anything? Robin? Oh, 617 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: she was deeply in debt. She was racking up all 618 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: kinds of credit card charges on his account. So here's 619 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: the thing. They didn't just willy Nilly get married. She 620 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: was dating him for two years. Then they got married, 621 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: and she was rapping up all these credit cards and purchases. 622 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: But guess what she came up with a grand to 623 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: hire the hit. Now, Oh, my stars, now tell me 624 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: does the husband, William, did he have any children of 625 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: his own before he got tangled up with this she devil? 626 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: You know, I am not sure if he had kids 627 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: or not. But I know that she has a daughter 628 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: who's involved in this plot. So you have mommy contacts 629 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: her daughter who's seventeen years old, and says, hey, uh, 630 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, who do you know that could kill the husband? 631 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 1: Kill my husband? So the daughter has a boyfriend who's 632 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: a drug dealer, as you would, and the drug dealer 633 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: boyfriend gets his cousin to buy the gun. He gets 634 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: a nine millimeter and then he tries to kill the 635 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: guy but chickens out, So then he hires some other 636 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: dude in the neighborhood who's the shooters. So there's a 637 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: total of four people involved in this plot. You know, 638 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: here's another thing. Robin Willinskey Robin Willinsky joining me, senior 639 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: news anchor with the Blaze Network. If you're if you 640 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 1: want something done, just do it yourself, because the minute 641 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: you bring in other people, every somebody always talks. That's 642 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: why I've always said the O. J. Simpson case wasn't 643 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: There was no conspiracy amongst the cops. Yes, I'm not 644 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: saying they didn't screw up. They might have screwed up 645 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: some several things in the investigation, but that was not 646 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: a plan conspiracy because somebody would have cracked by now here. 647 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: You involve a lot of people in a hit, and 648 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: of course they all run in blab y Loamacurie Walker 649 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: charged with aggravated murder, murder, felonious assault and conspiracy, and 650 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: the slaying of a veteran firefighter, William Walker, to whom 651 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: she had just been married four months. She couldn't even 652 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: wait what a year before she kills him. I mean, 653 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: I think I need a shrink on this as well. 654 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: But you're saying they dated two years before they got hitched, Robin, Yeah, 655 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: she clearly knew. You know, when you're dating someone for 656 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: two years, you know if they have a couple of 657 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: coins in the bank, you know where the credit cards are, 658 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: you might even know the person's Social Security number. She's 659 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: opening up all these accounts, racking up debt here and there, 660 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: going shopping, and then only four months in she gets 661 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: greedy and needs to pay all these debts off or 662 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, who knows what she wanted, but she wanted 663 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: that hundred thousand dollars for herself and to take off it. 664 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: She this woman is so sick that she left his 665 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: ashes behind in a car and moved out of Well, 666 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know about the ashes. How did you find 667 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: out these things? Robin whiskey? Hey, but I do have 668 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: another tidbit. Guess what else she wanted. She didn't want 669 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: just a hundred thousand dollar life insurance policy. She wanted 670 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: his pension. He had a city city pension. I mean, 671 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: this was not just husband, William malk Er, This was 672 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: lioked himant William Walker, a very well respected firefighter and 673 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,959 Speaker 1: member of the firefighting community. He had been a firefighter 674 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: for years and had a pretty hefty government pension. Wrecked up, 675 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: she thought she was going to take home that monthly check. 676 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean you would think though that his friends, you know, 677 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: the firefighters, you know this Nancy, the police and the firefighters. 678 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: It's a brotherhood. So you would think that some of 679 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: his buddies would if she was shady, this woman, but 680 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: they would have said, listen, man, what are you doing? 681 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: Why are you marrying her? But clearly no one got involved. 682 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: He walked down the aisle and now, like you say, 683 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: he's six feet under. But what's fascinating about this is 684 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: all the people she involved, the daughter, the daughter's boyfriend, 685 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: drug dealer, the guy who gets the gun. You know, 686 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: this whole litany of people. And like you say, if 687 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 1: if you want to plan the party, do it yourself. 688 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: Don't don't hire a whole crowd. And they also, all 689 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: four of these characters were facing very serious charges and 690 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: life and they've all cut deals. The most outrageous thing 691 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: is that the daughter, uh is facing nothing. She's going 692 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: to spend a month in a juvenile detention center. Uh. 693 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,240 Speaker 1: The other ones are going away. Somebody's getting twenty eight years. 694 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: The boyfriend, the drug dealer boyfriend is getting twenty eight years, 695 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: and the other two one is getting eighteen years, and 696 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: the shooters getting twenty three years. So they actually might 697 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: get out at some point. Here's another thing. What about 698 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: this Robin Robin? She initially got a hit man for 699 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars. I mean, that's a pretty cheap deal 700 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: for a murder. So the husband, Lieutenant Williams, comes home 701 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: that nine round eight thirty, he's coming home long day 702 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: at work. He comes home with a bag of McDonald's. Okay, 703 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: that's what he's having for supper, after working his rear 704 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: end off for her to cover her credit card debts. 705 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,720 Speaker 1: And the shooter that she hit a ranged was waiting 706 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: for him near their garage and ambushed him as he 707 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: was unlocking a side door. You know, I don't even 708 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: know if he knew what hit him. But I can 709 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: tell you this, Meryl Streep, you better watch out, girl, 710 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: because this woman, this neely wed, then calls nine one 711 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,800 Speaker 1: one and gets up in the ambulance with her husband 712 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: and drives in the ambulance to the hospital where he died. 713 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: Don't you know she was putting on some kind of show, 714 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: Robin will lends Keaton. Yeah, no, no question. She's a 715 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 1: shady character. She's a faker. She also, in her very 716 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: initial statement to the police claimed the old oh he 717 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: abused me, routie. Clearly that went nowhere. Nobody's fying, you know. 718 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: And you look the other defense that she are. I 719 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: want to hear this, Nancy, the other defense, the other 720 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: defense that was offered at trial. There were no domestic 721 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: violence witnesses there, but the defense lawyer argued that it 722 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: was the daughter who cooked up this plan to frame 723 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: her mother, and that in quote, this is a quote 724 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: from closing arguments talking about the daughter, this girl is 725 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: cold and diabolical. She went with them, she wanted to see. 726 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: In other words, this was the seventeen year old. And 727 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: by the way, she only really got caught because the 728 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: seventeen year old turned her into police. You know, it 729 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 1: just amazes me that a person light Lieutenant Walker, is 730 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: now dead all because of this disastrous relationship. You know, 731 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: I've read um in a lot of articles and research 732 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: that the single most important decision you make in life, 733 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: one of them, anyway, is who you marry. Boy. Truer 734 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: words were never spoken. It could give you a lifetime 735 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: of happiness or pure l your whole life. Okay, Robin Wilinski, 736 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: senior news anchor with the Blaze Network. I'm super grateful 737 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: you were here with all your gory details you brought in. 738 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, Robin, seriously, thank you. Yes, you do. We 739 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 1: all do you know? This is the thing with crime Finding, 740 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: there's never a lack of business. We're on the case. 741 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Nancy Grace Crime Stories 742 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,