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Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Stealer Nation, how we do it? Well, that's

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Speaker 2: good us too, our number two here on a fun

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Speaker 2: Thursday show. We have got to continue our pros and

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Speaker 2: cons conversation about the Steelers vacant head coaching job. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to our buddy Arthur Motes in about

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. First, though, Matt doesn't sound good for Nico Collins.

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Speaker 3: I know he didn't didn't do anything on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Dylan concussion protocol as of Thursday today, The shot this

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Speaker 2: year too long shot that he plays Sunday versus the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a big loss for Houston heading into

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Speaker 2: heading into Foxborough this weekend.

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Speaker 3: No it is. I mean Porter shut him down. Well,

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Speaker 3: he didn't influence that game very much. They still won.

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Speaker 3: But also his second injury of the game looked pretty

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Speaker 3: nasty and by all counts he kind of didn't know

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Speaker 3: where it was at correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's always scary stuff. And as Max

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Speaker 2: Starks would say, we wish him a full recovery. Don't

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Speaker 2: don't need a speedy recovery with that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 2: you need a full recovery, you know. Oh yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: If they can if they can do what they did defensively,

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Speaker 2: if they can repeat that performance, they've got a chance.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe even if you and I were out

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Speaker 2: there running routes at wide receiver Matt before we get

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Speaker 2: to Arthur Motes and and talk with him about some uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, some Mike Tomlin memories and thoughts and you

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Speaker 2: know a guy who who played for coach t for

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Speaker 2: four years. I wanted to spin the block to the

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Speaker 2: other side of this conversation if you missed it. At

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Speaker 2: the end of the first hour, we talked about the

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Speaker 2: pros of the Steelers vacant head coaching job. If you

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Speaker 2: were one of these candidates and you're interviewing with with

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Speaker 2: Art Rooney, with Omar Khan, with that entire you know, operation,

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Speaker 2: that brain trust there, what would you look at as

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Speaker 2: the Steelers really have this going for him? And what

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Speaker 2: would you look at is, hey, this is a little

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Speaker 2: concerning to me. This this might be difficult to overcome.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the cons.

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Speaker 3: Say we pretty much hit the pros.

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Speaker 2: I think we pretty much covered the pros, and I think,

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Speaker 2: just like the pros, it was easy. The first thing

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Speaker 2: you put on the board is ownership, stability, history, tradition, patients,

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Speaker 2: that kind of all encompassing what we know the Steelers'

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Speaker 2: ownership group and the stability of the organization that has

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Speaker 2: been there for so long. Last coach was just there

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Speaker 2: for nineteen years. Coach before that fifteen years. On down

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Speaker 2: the list, you know only three head coaches since nineteen

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Speaker 2: sixty nine. And I think if you go to the

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Speaker 2: other you know the shoe on the other foot. The

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Speaker 2: number one thing on the concerned list, the cons list

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Speaker 2: is easy, is you are in a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a quarterback no man's land currently, Yeah, and not a

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Speaker 2: little bit of it. You are in quarterback no man's

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Speaker 3: And there aren't many quarterback situations worse. Yeah. Of the

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Speaker 3: thirty two. I mean, the situation is you have Mation

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Speaker 3: Rudolph under contract for one more year, and you have

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Speaker 2: That's what you have, And you have the twenty first overall.

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Speaker 3: Pay and you don't have the first pick in the draft,

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Speaker 3: and I don't see a great path today for finding

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Speaker 2: This is not the Drake May year where there's going

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Speaker 2: you could trade up and get the fourth or fifth

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Speaker 3: Right and frankly, you win too many games to be

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Speaker 3: of course. So I think that's a huge conversation you

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Speaker 3: have to have, is mister Rooney Omar, what is your

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Speaker 3: guys plan for the quarterback? Here's some ideas I have.

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Speaker 3: Are we on the same page? We both realize this

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Speaker 3: is the elephant in the room, that's the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: all of us will have to overcome together.

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Speaker 2: You think, too, it's safe to assume that that's going

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Speaker 3: Here? We are you interested in doing another year with

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Speaker 2: Are you interested in? Is that ship sailed Richardson type

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Speaker 3: Everybody's gonna have ideas. At least let's be on the

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Speaker 2: Tell me Kyler Murray or you can go ahead and

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Speaker 3: And I don't think anyone's gonna be like, well, this

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Speaker 3: end up with archbanding a year from now, no, no doubt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but at least be on the same page of how

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Speaker 3: a problem, a challenge. It needs to be corrected. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and we're not doing We're gonna go every year with

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Speaker 2: You and I discussed this yesterday. But I think the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good time frame, this draft.

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Speaker 2: Or next draft finding your next franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Or it can't be the next five years, and it

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Speaker 2: At least stepping up to the plate and taking that

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Speaker 3: Oh you may not get it, but at least take

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Speaker 2: But at least stepping up to the plate and taking

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Speaker 2: If he gets you and he develops you the next

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Speaker 3: Eighteen months from now we're like, oh, at least you

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Speaker 2: Say, say the next two seasons Ben Johnson and the

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Speaker 3: That's what they how they have to look at it

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Speaker 2: But I think I think from the head coach asking

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Speaker 3: The like, Okay, I like that path and this is

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Speaker 2: Okay, we don't want to go all in this April

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Speaker 2: because we don't think the guy is there? Fine, but

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Speaker 2: what's our path to when we're going for the guy?

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Speaker 3: We're not just taking one to take one? Yes, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that's a problem. And maybe, Frank, I think

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Speaker 2: I think there was a lot going there. Yea, how

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Speaker 2: the hell? He was the consensus. There were some people

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Speaker 3: He was from a terrible quarterback class.

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Speaker 2: And a terrible quarterback class. But how often can you

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Speaker 2: get the consensus QB one at picked twenty if you're

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Speaker 2: the Steelers, Like, it was just a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, I understood why they did yeah, but

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Speaker 2: And the more and more I see people evaluate Ty

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Speaker 2: But that's I don't even know if i'd call it

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Speaker 3: It's if you're not asking me about that, I'm not

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Speaker 3: hiring exactly right, exactly right. We have to have this

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Speaker 2: So I think that's clear number one concern. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: and by a significant margin, Like whatever number two is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm having a hard time coming up with two

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Speaker 2: I've got I've got a pretty easy number two. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you've got a long in the tooth expensive defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'll do more homework in these coming weeks.

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Speaker 3: It's not as hard to get out of those guys

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Speaker 3: A year from now you could easily see Porter Bent

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Speaker 2: That makes me more confident, and maybe that's something we

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Speaker 2: more confident that you're so confident in that, And I

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Speaker 2: guess you're right. We always do that. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: The Broncos are in salary cap hell because of Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you're right. There's an easier pass for

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Speaker 2: I'm guilty of that, of being a little hyperbolic with

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Speaker 2: it and I say, okay, yeah, that team just won

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Speaker 2: keyest who were the key parts of that Who are

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Speaker 2: the biggest reasons why. I know, Cam Hayward he's not

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Speaker 2: trying to win. What's TJ gonna be? What's rams are

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Speaker 2: and you know, probably even this year, but certainly not

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Speaker 3: Maybe the conversation is more of a different angle of Okay,

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Speaker 3: Right or expensive in San Francisco's like John.

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Speaker 3: They should heavily, Probably not as much when you're picking.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this earlier in the week. We thought

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Speaker 1: About drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 2: Back on the drive here into the phone lines, we

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Speaker 2: go to welcome a very special guest. If you've been

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Speaker 4: First off, it's always good to hear that voice in man.

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Speaker 4: How the heck a y'all doing me?

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Speaker 2: Dude?

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Speaker 3: You dumped them on me. I'm stuck with them every day. Now.

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Speaker 5: Look, keep on your toes, man, but you're good hands.

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Speaker 2: Regardless, without a doubt. The three of us had some

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Speaker 2: And obviously you know we want to talk to you

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Speaker 6: guy that's able to do that but with true authenticity,

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Speaker 6: and he's not just bringing up general stuff, he's speaking

441
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Speaker 6: directly to you.

442
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Speaker 4: That's why all of the guys that have.

443
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 6: Played for him speak as highly as we do of him,

444
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 6: and we all have that personal and emotional type to

445
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Speaker 6: him as well, because when we say he's the leader

446
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,200
Speaker 6: of men, that's truly what it is. I mean, we're

447
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 6: talking about being in a room full of alpha melos

448
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 6: that all have kicked a tonne of butts in terms

449
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 6: of their physical play. And then financially, it's like, man,

450
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 6: we're also guys that have, you know, a good amount

451
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Speaker 6: of financial backing as well. So to come in and

452
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 6: be able to communicate, to hold these guys accountable, to

453
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 6: be able to discipline, to be able to direct them

454
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 6: and keep them on the right path, that also is

455
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 6: extremely challenging to do and to think about some of

456
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Speaker 6: the personalities that have come through that locker room.

457
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Speaker 4: Some of my tvates, some of the guys have to

458
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 4: be as well. It's like that just kind of gets

459
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,959
Speaker 4: swept under the rug because of how awesome he was

460
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 4: from a coaching standpoint in terms of the wins and losses.

461
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Speaker 2: Motes. You started your career with the Buffalo Bills, the

462
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Speaker 2: team that drafted you four years there and then signed

463
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Speaker 2: with the Pittsburgh Steelers. How big was Mike Tomlin in

464
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: that equation, in that decision for you to decide to

465
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Speaker 2: sign in the Black and Gold whenever you had that

466
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Speaker 2: opportunity after your rookie contract expired in Buffalo.

467
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, to be completely transparent, he was the reason,

468
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 6: the only reason, because there was more money on the

469
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 6: table in Cleveland and in New England with offers.

470
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Speaker 4: But it literally was Man, it's seven five to seven

471
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 4: number call on my phone and I hear old coach

472
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Speaker 4: Thomlin say, Hey, party town, pee town. Man, what's up baby.

473
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Speaker 6: I know you used to rush that passer back in college,

474
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Speaker 6: but hey, if.

475
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Speaker 4: You come on down here take this minimum deal, man,

476
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Speaker 4: I'll make it rent for you on the back end.

477
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Speaker 4: And I spent thinking to myself, Nah, I love Coach

478
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 4: Tomlin from afore. I've never you know, got a chance

479
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Speaker 4: to have these type of conversations with him. But the

480
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 4: fact that he remembers me from this and that he

481
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Speaker 4: knows my hometown and this dude is Coach Tomlin. Yes,

482
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 4: I will take the that minimum. I'm gonna tell my

483
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 4: pregnant wife at the time too, We're gonna take less

484
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 4: money and it's not guaranteed. But Coach Tomblin, all right,

485
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 4: Coach Talmlin, he's from the hometown. He said, if I

486
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Speaker 4: do what I'm supposed to do, he can take care

487
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Speaker 4: of me on the back end. We're gonna go and

488
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Speaker 4: do this thing. And I just remember the look on

489
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 4: her face and it's like, are you serious? But her

490
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 4: trusted me, and ultimately my trust in Coach Tomlin was

491
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Speaker 4: the biggest reason why we made that decision to come here.

492
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Speaker 4: And he helds you to his words.

493
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Speaker 6: You know, I did what I was supposed to do

494
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 6: on the field, but he also did what he was

495
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 6: supposed to do in terms of creating opportunities and more importantly,

496
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 6: making sure financially. When those negotiations came back around the

497
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Speaker 6: next time, he was also going to make sure that

498
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Speaker 6: I was, you know, compensated at the love.

499
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Speaker 4: That made me really really happy. So when I.

500
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Speaker 6: Think of that, that is one of my favorite decisions

501
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Speaker 6: that I have ever made in my life because.

502
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Speaker 4: Of everything that led into it and then just happened.

503
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Speaker 7: To trust a person that I hold to such high

504
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Speaker 7: regard even before I had ever met him in person.

505
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Speaker 7: It was just the reverence of them because of who

506
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Speaker 7: he is and who he was even back then.

507
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Speaker 4: So when I think of that as just like, man,

508
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 4: excellent decision right there. No, it was some other decisions

509
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 4: that weren't so good, but that were right there.

510
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Speaker 3: Yes, love that decision. That's so cool, Arthur. How much

511
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 3: does it stick with you? From coach Tomlin's just football knowledge,

512
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 3: not his leadership or the way communicated. I think everybody

513
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 3: knows that stuff, but just his fundamentals, his scheming, you know,

514
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: just x's and o's and how to attack quarterbacks and

515
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 3: just football stuff.

516
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

517
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 4: Man, so much of that is stuck with me.

518
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 6: And it's funny because I always prided myself or being

519
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 6: a high football intellect guy. I felt like, man, I

520
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 6: know so many schemes.

521
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 7: Because of my experiences having to plan a four to three,

522
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 7: having to planet three four, having different coordinators playing different

523
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Speaker 7: positions in.

524
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 6: Those and just understanding the big puzzle. But then when

525
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 6: I come to Pittsburgh and I get around Dick Lebo,

526
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 6: I get around Coach Tomlin and just listening to how

527
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 6: Coach Tomlin would talk, and it grew more.

528
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 4: Than just the simple X and OH of what this

529
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Speaker 4: call is.

530
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Speaker 6: And it became more of what we are trying to

531
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Speaker 6: take away and why we're trying to take it away.

532
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Speaker 4: Situational football. Man, if this short yard of situation, if

533
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: you're in the reds on area.

534
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 6: You don't want to get beat to the flat why

535
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 6: because the field condensedes so you're not as concerned with

536
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 6: the vertical threat. But now the field laterally becomes the hotspots.

537
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 6: So just things like that, Understanding pressure packages, understanding the

538
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 6: importance of being able to create pressure with four or

539
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 6: having the blitz or even simulated pressures, and how all

540
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 6: of them work together pros and constant each That was

541
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Speaker 6: the thing that I really just appreciated being around Coach

542
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Speaker 6: Tomlin and hearing that.

543
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Speaker 4: Type of just even doctor.

544
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Speaker 6: Level you know, x's and nose or just higher level

545
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 6: scheme thoughts that for me personally, I wasn't even introduced

546
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 6: to all the way, even though I thought I was.

547
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Speaker 7: And that's the beauty of life, right You think that you.

548
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 4: Know all of it, and then you meet somebody.

549
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 7: You're like, oh wow, got more football than I even

550
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 7: know right now. And that's coach toimlan And that's why,

551
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 7: you know, it was funny that he gets such a

552
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 7: label of being a.

553
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 5: Player's coach, because to me, I'm like, this is one.

554
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 7: Of the sharpest football minds that I've ever been around.

555
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: That's great insight, certainly, and so to kind of bigger

556
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 2: picture now for you, because by the way Steeler's former

557
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: linebacker legend Arthur motes with us here for a couple

558
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: more minutes on the drive.

559
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: Was just a friend of what that friend of the guy.

560
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: Friend of the show, friend of the organization, friend in

561
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Speaker 2: real life to kind of you know, we we've obviously

562
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Speaker 2: spent some time this week, as you can imagine, talking

563
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Speaker 2: about if you were someone interviewing for the Steelers job,

564
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 2: what would be the pros, what would you really like,

565
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: what would be the cons, what would be your concerns.

566
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: One of the things that we obviously listed right away

567
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: on the pro's list was just the organizational stability that

568
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: the Steelers have from an ownership standpoint, from a patient standpoint,

569
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: obviously paired with the history and the tradition. But we

570
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 2: all know Mike Tomlin was there for nineteen years, Bill

571
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Speaker 2: Cower was there for fifteen years. A very stable, non

572
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: knee jerk to use a big word there, organization. Yeah,

573
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Speaker 2: And obviously you spent time with Buffalo, which was a

574
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: much different Buffalo Bills organization at that time than it

575
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: is now. Certainly, and you kind of ended your career

576
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: with the Arizona Cardinals. Would you agree with what would

577
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: would you? Would you agree with that? Like when when

578
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: Matt and I say, for an outside candidate, the stability

579
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 2: of the Steelers organization is going to be very attractive.

580
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: You came here from the outside. The Steelers were not

581
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: the team that drafted you at first. You had been

582
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Speaker 2: with two other organizations that were not, you know, as

583
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: stable as the Pittsburgh Steelers organization. Or are we right

584
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: in that? And what did you kind of experience in

585
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 2: that regard in your time in Pittsburgh versus the other

586
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: places you were at.

587
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Speaker 7: No, that's definitely the.

588
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 6: Being that stands out the most when you just think

589
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 6: about the Steelers regardless of coach right now, as long

590
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 6: as there's been a Rooney in you know, in ownership,

591
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 6: in control, patience, stability, call and as a player, that

592
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 6: was something that was extremely.

593
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Speaker 5: Exciting me because, as you said, man.

594
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 7: This league, there is so much turnover when you look

595
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 7: around every two to three years, there are new coaches,

596
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 7: new players, everything, organizations doing mass overhauls. So that was

597
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 7: one of.

598
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 8: The other things that was exciting about coming to Pittsburgh

599
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 8: was the fact that coach Tomlin had been here for

600
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Speaker 8: as long as he had been, that there was the

601
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 8: same ownership here that had been Because in.

602
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Speaker 4: Buffalo I had experienced with two head coaches in four years,

603
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 4: two general managers in four years, and two and a

604
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 4: half head coaches in four years.

605
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 6: Three defensive coordinators in four years, so you could see

606
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 6: it wasn't a lot of stability.

607
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 7: And within two years of.

608
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 5: Me leaving the organization they switched ownership.

609
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 7: So I was really drawn to the stability, and I

610
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 7: do feel like for coaches that is going to.

611
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 5: Be a big draw because we know this is one

612
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 5: of the toughest.

613
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: Leagues to win in and to.

614
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 5: Do it on a year in, year out basis, It

615
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 5: challenges with that.

616
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: We know quarterback matters, and we know that.

617
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 7: Even though this roster has a lot of talent, there's

618
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 7: still gonna be questions at some very signify to get positions,

619
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 7: and for certain coaches, they want to know that will

620
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 7: I have time to figure that out. I don't want

621
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 7: to sign up if I'm only gonna get two years

622
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 7: and then you decide to go in a different direction

623
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Speaker 7: and cut my legs out before I can really develop anything.

624
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 7: So that will be very, very exciting for whoever the

625
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 7: organization decides on.

626
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: So last thing I got for Emochiez, you talked about

627
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: how he treats all the players different. He takes it personally.

628
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: He knows all the guys and their personalities, what makes

629
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: him tick. But I would bet the same is true

630
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: for the Steelers' opponents. You know, he's been in the

631
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: league so long, man, man, I know that coordinator, if

632
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: we can do this to him, he'll crack. Or that

633
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: quarterback if we hit him twice early in the game.

634
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: I would think that that reflects to game planning against

635
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: your opponents too.

636
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 7: Oh, you're absolutely right, and that is the fun part

637
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 7: as well. For you know me, when I came over

638
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 7: I was already four years in the NFL, so I

639
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 7: was already starting to build up some confidence and just

640
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 7: understanding of players, coaches, codinators, and to come into Pittsburgh

641
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 7: and to just.

642
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: Hear how coach Tomlin can tell.

643
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 7: You about this guy and the history of this guy

644
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 7: and this player and the history of this player, and Okay,

645
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 7: they're from this type of family. So that is why

646
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 7: this or even his emphasis on wanting players that are

647
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 7: either coming from families that had other people be professional

648
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 7: or a father that played professionally, why because of just

649
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 7: their understanding of the game, their understanding of how to

650
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 7: take care of their.

651
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: Body, or the business stuff.

652
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 7: And that's the little nuance that when you're listening to him,

653
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 7: it's like, how.

654
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: Did you get there? But when you think of how

655
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: long he's been in this process, that's a big part

656
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: of it. One of the things that also stood out

657
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: in that you can attest to this.

658
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Speaker 5: We all go to the combines.

659
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Speaker 4: And one of the things that we've heard from coach

660
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Speaker 4: Toman is he'll interview players that he knows they don't

661
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Speaker 4: draft right then, but he's doing it because he wants

662
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Speaker 4: to build a profile on him. You'll go to their

663
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: pro days because he wants to see them move in person.

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Speaker 7: Even though he knows I'm not drafting this guy this year.

665
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Speaker 4: I probably won't get a chance to touch him for

666
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Speaker 4: the next.

667
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Speaker 6: Four years, but I'm gonna see him and I want

668
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Speaker 6: to just see what that looks like. It just got

669
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Speaker 6: an idea for it, and all play against too. So

670
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Speaker 6: absolutely so, those are some of the things that he

671
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Speaker 6: does to just stay ahead of it. And that's also

672
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Speaker 6: part of when we hear him, you know, when I

673
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 6: talk about just how he stays innovative and just different

674
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Speaker 6: ways to stay current. Even though you've been at one

675
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 6: spot for so long, how do you stay up to date?

676
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Speaker 6: Those are some of the things so absolutely man and

677
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 6: like I said, as a player, as a competitor, all

678
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Speaker 6: of that is exciting. All of that is is intriguing

679
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Speaker 6: because you want to coach that once it just as

680
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Speaker 6: bad or more than you do.

681
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Speaker 4: You want a coach is going to know more than

682
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Speaker 4: you do. You don't want to ever go to your

683
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Speaker 4: coach and say, hey, coach, what about this and.

684
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Speaker 6: He's like, oh, hold on, I don't know that that's

685
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Speaker 6: a bad feeling.

686
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Speaker 4: Well, coach, Tomlin, I can tell you first that I've

687
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 4: never heard him say, hey, I.

688
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Speaker 7: Don't know, let me come back to you with that

689
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 7: like he always has the answer, and that's a very

690
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 7: very secure feeling from a player's perspective.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff with the nine nine year NFL at Arthur Modes. Dude,

692
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Speaker 2: thank you for taking the time. Great hearing your voice

693
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Speaker 2: and catching up with you. We'll do this again soon

694
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Speaker 2: and tell the family we said hello, man, you already do.

695
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Speaker 4: Love both of y'all. Be hope both y'all keep killing it.

696
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Speaker 4: Vin appreciate the opportunity as well.

697
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Speaker 2: Man, thank you for the time. MOTESI thank you very much.

698
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Speaker 2: There he goes, Stealers legend, Steelers alumni, former linebacker, nine

699
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: years in the league, former host on this station. Yeah,

700
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Speaker 2: now you can see alast Katika TV. He's at the stadium.

701
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: He's doing a million different things, as always the great

702
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Speaker 2: Arthur Motes. That was a lot of fun. We have

703
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Speaker 2: got to get to a break though. We'll come back

704
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Speaker 2: and close this thing down with some final thoughts, news

705
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Speaker 2: of the day, maybe a little draft conversation two on

706
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Speaker 2: the other side when we return. Weshuler, Matt Williamson. It

707
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Speaker 2: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network, your tuned.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Wrapping up the show here on a Thursday. It's been

712
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Speaker 2: a hectic, kind of all over the place week, Matt oh. Yeah,

713
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Speaker 2: But tomorrow we'll get back to some more stable we'll

714
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Speaker 2: talk and preview all the divisional round games, obviously, and

715
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Speaker 2: at some point here we're gonna start doing pretty consistently

716
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Speaker 2: draft conversation.

717
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta dig in heavy just about every day.

718
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Speaker 2: But a guy that we reference a lot, I think

719
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Speaker 2: this is is kind of a fun way to close

720
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Speaker 2: the show down today. A guy that you and I

721
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Speaker 2: reference a lot. Motes just referenced the Combine there a

722
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Speaker 2: few minutes ago. If you've listened to our Combine coverage,

723
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Speaker 2: if you're someone who you know, you're not just a

724
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: Steelers fan who watches the game, you're kind of in

725
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: tune three hundred and sixty five days a year. You

726
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: know the name Dame Brugler. He's one of the best.

727
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: He's you know, I think the next kind of McShay

728
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: and mel Kiper, the next wave, the next generation of that.

729
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: And in the aftermath of Dante Moore's decision to go

730
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Speaker 2: back to Oregon something that we briefly mentioned yesterday, but

731
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: he was I think pretty much the consensus QB two

732
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Speaker 2: in this upcoming draft, probably the only guy other than

733
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Speaker 2: Mendoza and a ton can change between now and April,

734
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Speaker 2: and will change between now in April even tomorrow.

735
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Speaker 3: I want to have a rip will effect conversation about

736
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Speaker 3: more in the quarterbacks, it'd be scarce this year.

737
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Speaker 2: It's going to be scarce. I think there's a lot

738
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Speaker 2: of guys that you would like to take in that

739
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck range. Yeah, yeah, but none really in the

740
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Speaker 2: top fifteen, top twenty range, other than obviously for Mando Mendoza.

741
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: The only other guy that would have factored into that

742
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: that would have definitely been a top five, certainly top

743
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Speaker 2: ten pick. Dante Moore is returning to Oregon for the

744
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six season. So here's what Dame Brugler kind

745
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: of had in the aftermath of that and why I

746
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: want to go here because how it affects the Steelers too.

747
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: We'll get there. Number one still, Fernando Mendoza.

748
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Speaker 3: Gets folks, Yeah, get used to it.

749
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Speaker 2: That's going to be the first name at the podium.

750
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Speaker 2: Maybe at some point too, we should have a conversation

751
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Speaker 2: of like, if you're the Raiders, is it just a

752
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Speaker 2: foregone conclusion this is our guy, or are you picking

753
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Speaker 2: up the phone and listening to offers, which there might

754
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: be some really intriguing ones if.

755
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Speaker 3: The head coaches first. But I would imagine the answer

756
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Speaker 3: is we're sticking and picking.

757
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Speaker 2: I think so, and the Jets at number two might

758
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: be the ones most affected by this.

759
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's a big reason went back.

760
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he wanted to be a Jet.

761
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Speaker 2: I think it's a big reason why he went back.

762
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Speaker 2: If you're the Jets, it was like we could have

763
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: taken Dante more or we could have fielded a million

764
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: for this too, and that's not going to be the

765
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: case now. With that, the number two overall pick in

766
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: the draft might be as wide open as it's been

767
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 2: in a long time. Dane has rvel Reese, the outstanding,

768
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: do it all, versatile linebacker edge rusher from Ohio State.

769
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Speaker 2: That wouldn't surprise me.

770
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Speaker 3: No, that wouldn't surprise me. I mean, I think there's

771
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Speaker 3: a case to be made that he's the best player

772
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Speaker 3: in the draft.

773
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Speaker 2: Certainly number three A guy that I've been telling you

774
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Speaker 2: about since September since he was absolutely planting people at

775
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Speaker 2: Mountaineer Field. Spencer f the offensive tackle from Utah, going

776
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Speaker 2: three over all of the Cardinals. Cardinals got to start

777
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Speaker 2: building up that nest they do, they're gonna have a

778
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Speaker 2: new head coach, new Era. I think that would be

779
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Speaker 2: a very good pickup for him. I think he's outstanding.

780
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Speaker 3: They get a good left tackle, he'd be more of

781
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Speaker 3: them all or right tackle type.

782
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: And that's what he played left tackle. He played left

783
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Speaker 2: tackle for a period at Utah, but has also played

784
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: the right side as well, so he's got the versatility

785
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Speaker 2: experience of playing both in college. Number four Tennessee Titans

786
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: Carnell Tate, wide receiver from Ohio State. It's like yearly

787
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: one of these Ohio State wide receivers. Yeah, going in

788
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Speaker 2: the first round.

789
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Speaker 3: This to be steel irrelevant, but it's a pretty good

790
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Speaker 3: wide receiver class where it didn't look like it would

791
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Speaker 3: be going into the season.

792
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Speaker 2: I think there's three or four legit first round guys.

793
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was even maybe even bump that out.

794
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 3: Could be a factor at twenty one for sure. She

795
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Speaker 3: Heer's pick twenty one by the way first. They didn't

796
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: taught anyone that yet. But I don't know that any

797
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 3: of them are great great, you know what I mean,

798
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: Like this always happens in the draft. I'm gonna be

799
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 3: harder on this group now. But the more research I'll

800
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: like the more and more. Totally, I just don't know

801
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: if Tate or these next couple receivers most years would

802
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: be the first receiver off the board, you know, like

803
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: a Neighbors or a Harrison or a Chase or you

804
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

805
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit like we were talking about with

806
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Speaker 2: Teed McMillan last year. Yeah, this guy's really good, really good,

807
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: right right, But for wide receiver one, he doesn't wow

808
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: you as much.

809
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Speaker 3: And he turned out to great. Yeah, yeah, you're gonna win.

810
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: Offensive Rookie of the Year here in a couple of weeks. Five,

811
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: another one of those wide receivers, the one that I

812
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: really like, Jordan Tyson from Arizona State, goes to the Giants.

813
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: So back to back wide receivers there. Brown's back on

814
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 2: the clock. At six. They take Francis Mayaga, the other

815
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: outstanding tackle. He's from Miami. You can watch him Monday

816
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: night in the National championship game. I think for the

817
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: Browns that would make a lot of sense if the

818
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: quarterback's not right there for you build up that nest.

819
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Speaker 3: Oh, they almost have to go a lot.

820
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: Almost have to yea seven another guy that I saw

821
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: at Mountaineer Field this year that just did absolutely illegal

822
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: things to my Mountaineers. The Washington Commanders take David Bailey,

823
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: edge rusher from Texas Tech.

824
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he seems like he's definitely gonna be a top

825
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: ten pick.

826
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: I think him, or or Reuben Bain, the edge rusher

827
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: from Miami, will be the first non I say true

828
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: edge rushers because Arb is kind of all at all. Yeah,

829
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: but I think David Bailey will definitely be a top

830
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: ten pick. He had an unbelievable year. He's got the

831
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: combination of twitch and power, which is just what you're

832
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: looking for at edge rusher. The Saints at eight take

833
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love, outstanding running back from Notre Dame. He might

834
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: be the best player in this class.

835
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: He might. He's gonna be a weird conversation of you.

836
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: Know, how do you value the position?

837
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: You're right, Are the Raiders happy they took gent? Probably

838
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: not right, And it's not even his fault. No, But

839
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: like the Chiefs are coming up here soon. What if

840
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: they took Love that's a lot different than the Saints

841
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: take of Love.

842
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely, although I will say you put him in that

843
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: backfield for Tyler Shuck with what Kellen Moore could do

844
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: with him, Oh yeah, that'd be fun. But again, at

845
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: pick eight, you can have, you know, the second offensive lineman,

846
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 2: you can have the second edge rusher, you can have

847
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: a lot of defensive needs, a lot of defensive needs.

848
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: Now at number nine for Kansas City, this might be

849
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: the best player in the draft. But how do you

850
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: value the position? How do you value it for Kansas City?

851
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 2: They Dane has Caleb Downs, the Ohio state safety going

852
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs.

853
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: It wouldn't shock me if the Chiefs take a non

854
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: premium position Downs Love or Sadik the the tight end.

855
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: It could be Kelsey's replacement.

856
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: From Oregon from Morgan, Yes, none of the are all

857
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: those would make sense part of me. Ruben Bain, who

858
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: I mentioned a minute ago, ed rusher from Miami. You

859
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: can watch him Monday night as well. He goes tenth

860
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: to the Bengals. So the Bengals would go back to

861
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: back edge rushers after Shimer Stewart last year in the

862
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: first round.

863
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: I think that was twelve hours the year before, back

864
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: to back to back, right, and but the sen is

865
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: likely going to be gone and they need them.

866
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins take Jermad McCoy, the corner out of Tennessee.

867
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: He becomes the first true cornerback off the board where

868
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: we kind of Caleb Downs more of the safety slot,

869
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: you know, hybrid type.

870
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: Sounds like there's some fighting to see who CB one

871
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: will be. But it's not a bad corner group.

872
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: It's not, and we'll be getting This is about the

873
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: area that you'll have a run on some of these guys.

874
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: The Cowboys take the other Ohio State linebacker who just

875
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: declared this week actually sunny styles. He's again how much

876
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 2: do you value a off ball linebacker? But he's a freak.

877
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: I mean he's there's.

878
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 3: A lot of good off the ball linebackers are potential first.

879
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: Round He's built like an edge rusher, but moves like

880
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 2: an off ball linebacker. Like he's he's a freak. Thirteen.

881
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: The Rams take man Sword Delaney corner from LSU. He's

882
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: another one of those guys who could be the first corner.

883
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: Off the board corner is an area of weakness.

884
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: It is fourteen the Baltimore Ravens go interior offensive line,

885
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: Vega Loan, the guard from Penn State.

886
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: I think exactly what these.

887
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: Again, and we could argue it is fourteen too high

888
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: to take a guard, but he, I think is the

889
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: consensus number one interior offensive lineman and a pick fourteen

890
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: that's probably the right range.

891
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: I bet they take a three hundred pounder. It's either

892
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: going to be a big defense tackle or it's going

893
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: to be a big interior offensive lineman.

894
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: Some beef, some beef in Baltimore. The Bucks at fifteen,

895
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: take Kendrick Falk, edge rusher from Auburn. He's another one

896
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: that I think will really get on people's radars once

897
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: we get into this combine process because he's gonna test.

898
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys that at the Underwear Olympics

899
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis six seventy five. Ye and he's build, he's

900
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: got those lanky arms. He looks like the guy that

901
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: you create on Madden to be your edge rusher. Number

902
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: sixteen the Jets. That's the Sauce Gardner pick from the Colts.

903
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: Another wide receiver, one that i've seen mock to the

904
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 2: Steelers a lot. Makai Lemon goes sixteenth to the Jets, Jets, Jets, Jets.

905
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if they'd go offense their defense. He's everything.

906
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean, they have multiple picks. Maybe he's just best

907
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: guy in the board.

908
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: I guess if you take RVL Reese at pick two defense,

909
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: you go back to who's the best offensive guy for

910
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: us here?

911
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: But I think Lemon someone will talk a lot about

912
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: with the Steelers.

913
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued by Evy twenty one seventeen. The Detroit

914
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: Lions take the other world beating Utah tackle. It's no

915
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: wonder they ran for seven hundred yards on everybody matt Utah.

916
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: Both their tackles. They're going to be drafted in the

917
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: first round, right Caleb Lomu, which is the other one.

918
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: I think Faunu is better, but Lomu, man, he's He's

919
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: the guy who's been more the true left tackle around

920
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: his career. I think he'd pay her very nicely with

921
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: like just bigger picture, I'd rather have Spencer Fanu than

922
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: Lomu out in Utah. But if I'm the Lions and

923
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: I already know Pene souls that right side. I think

924
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: i'd be I'd be fine with Caleb get.

925
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: In Age maybe one of them. So maybe he's a

926
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: guard for a year or something like that too.

927
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: Seems like every year now, Matt, we're having one of

928
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: these freak tight ends.

929
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: Which I think Arthur Smith is in Detroit. He is interviewing.

930
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: I'm glad you that was in my kind of at

931
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: the top of the show news things that I meant

932
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: to mention, but we started talking about Harball and some

933
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: of that other stuff. Arthur Smith. We know interviewing with

934
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 2: the Titans, with the Cardinals, with the Lions today.

935
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: Is not as a head job, obviously.

936
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: Yes, offensive coordinator Vikings at eighteen. Take Kenyon Sadik, the

937
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: tight end, the number one, the te one in this class,

938
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: big freaky athlete out of Oregon. Nineteen Carolina Panthers. Peter Woods,

939
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: the defensive tackle from Clemson who a lot of people

940
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: had mocked as a top five pick coming into this.

941
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: Year an underwhelming year year.

942
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: You pair him next to Derek Brown. Yeah, they could

943
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: be a nasty interior tandem there in Carolina for a while.

944
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: Packers picked twenty. That's the Michael Parsons pick from Green

945
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: Bay they take av On Terrell corner out of Clemson,

946
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: So back to back Clemson guys here in the first round,

947
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: younger brother of A. J. Terrell, of course, the Falcons

948
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: corner and then twenty one Pittsburgh Steelers. And this would

949
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: be an interesting spot.

950
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: To be because, yeah.

951
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: The wide receivers that I would really like are off

952
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: the board. You know, Lemon just went a few spots earlier.

953
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: But Dane has the Steelers taking Ty Simpson quarterback Alabama

954
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: as his QB two. Now that Dante Moore. That's kind

955
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: of the ripple effect there, and he says this is

956
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: going to be a popular pairing in mock drafts over

957
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: the next four months. The Steelers, presumably we'll be looking

958
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: for a starting quarterback and Simpson is expected to land

959
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: somewhere in the back half of the first round. Would

960
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: this be a Kenny Pickett route all over again? Maybe,

961
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: But Simpson processes his surroundings well, especially considering his limited

962
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: starting experience.

963
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: I get it, And again this is anything but a

964
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: final answer.

965
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: Oh we're still months away.

966
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: Good, so I don't know enough about the player, But

967
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: if you told me today, Genie comes out of the

968
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: bottle and says I'll trade you Simpson for twenty one.

969
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: When you frame it this way.

970
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: I'll take door number two. I'll go fish. I'm not

971
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: giving you twenty one for him right today.

972
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza, duh, obviously, Dante Moore, yes.

973
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: Right, And I might eat those words. I a month

974
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: and mile like boy, there's no way they're gonna give

975
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: me twenty one.

976
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: By the time you and I get back from the

977
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Speaker 2: combine and we're back here in the studio in March

978
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: doing shows, we might we might say, yeah, I would.

979
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Speaker 3: I might even say I'll give you twenty next year's first.

980
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I might fall in love them, But as

981
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: of today, I would not give you twenty one for Simpson.

982
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: As of today, the only quarterback that has declared for

983
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: the draft that I would give you twenty one for

984
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: is Fernandoman does I would have said that for Dante

985
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: more too. Yeah, but he is returning to Oregon. We'll

986
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 2: see how that evolves throughout the coming weeks and months.

987
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: Heres we get closer and closer to April. Matt fun

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Speaker 2: Show today. I enjoyed it. We covered that lot by quick.

989
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 2: We were a lot at different bases, YEP.

990
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: Talking to MoES too.

991
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Speaker 2: It was yeah big thanks to Motes for joining us,

992
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: to Nathan for producing, and mister TV Tyler V on

993
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: the video side of things keeping us handsome on YouTube.

994
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: We will be back tomorrow to kind of wrap up

995
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: a wild week and preview. Hey, there's still football going

996
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: on as much as much as that's been pushed.

997
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 3: To the back stuff. We haven't talked to him much.

998
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: Either, exactly right. We'll get back into some of the

999
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: regular pro gramming tomorrow. Get you ready for divisional round.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're still coach news in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 2: I bet you. Certainly in the next twenty four hours

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Speaker 2: we'll have more moving and shaking in that department too.

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Speaker 2: So for Matt Williamson, I'm west Hueler. Take care everybody,

1004
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