WEBVTT - How Emily Posts' Philandering Husband Was the Catalyst for Her Career Success 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:06.559 Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:13.680 with iHeartRadio. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.680 Philandering husband ed when Post found himself blackmailed by a 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.200 scorned mistress who threatened to go public with their affair 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.919 unless he paid her and her publisher to stay silent. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.320 This is a story about blackmail, but it isn't actually 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:32.200 a story about Edwin. Not really. This is a story 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.640 about how his wife, Emily Post, suffered the humiliations of 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.760 his actions and the blackmail that ensued and then came 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.160 out on top. Let's hop back to New York City 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.200 during the Gilded Age for this story of adultery, blackmail 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.760 and best selling books. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarky 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.680 and I'm Holly Frye. Emily Post was born Emily Price 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.400 in eighteen seventy two, the only child of Josephine Lee, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.479 a cole heiress and famous architect Bruce Price. Born into 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.680 a wealthy and socially prominent family in Baltimore, she was 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.320 educated by a German governess, and after the families moved 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.280 to New York City, she was enrolled in Miss Graham's 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:19.160 finishing School. Her family was close with the astors, the Morgans, 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.000 and the Vanderbilts. She made her social debut in New 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.600 York society shortly before meeting her future husband, Edwin Main Post, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:30.080 a prominent banker, at a ball in a Fifth Avenue mansion. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.240 They married during the summer of eighteen ninety possibly eighteen 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.800 ninety two, and then they settled in New York City. 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.120 They also had a country cottage that was called Emily 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.479 Post Cottage in Tuxedo Park, New York. It was one 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.880 of four cottages she inherited from her father. The Tuxedo 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.520 Park community was one of his designs, and he had 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.960 named that cottage after his daughter. The couple had two sons, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.200 Edwin Mayne Post Junior born in eighteen ninety three and 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:01.200 Bruce Price Post born in eighteen ninety five. Edwin Post 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.760 was not a good husband. He had little interest in 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.480 his wife except for her money and her social position, 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:11.079 and he was known for his serial and hardly secretive 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.960 extramarital affairs with chorus girls and starlet's. The Post's marriage 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.760 had become distant about a dozen years in Emily divorced 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.400 him after one jilted lover made him the target of 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.639 blackmail scandal in their social circle was not a scent 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:31.279 you wanted lingering around you. Edwin's role here as adulterer 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.760 and victim of blackmail, it turns out, was actually a 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.200 catalyst for what Emily would become. And you'll see this 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.960 as their story unfolds. Yes, we are talking about the 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.400 Emily Post whom we today know was a quote fun 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.520 loving Benjo playing workaholic who became the go to on 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.000 etiquette advice. So here's what happened. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.680 In late April of nineteen oh five, Edwin ended an 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.320 affair with a young woman actor, but she continued to 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.360 make romantic gestures toward him and seeking his attentions. She 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.760 returned to the Connecticut cottage that he kept solely for 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:12.880 his lovers. When he spurned her advances, she took revenge. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.960 She strategically contacted the office of Colonel William Dalton Mann, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.720 a Civil War soldier turned gossip columnist. Colonel Man, who 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.280 was a Civil War hero, was described as both suave 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.320 and condescending. You'll also find him described as looking a 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:33.560 lot like a stereotypical Santa Claus. We don't know what 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.320 that's about. Did he wear red? Was it his beard? 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.720 We really don't know, but that is one description that 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.840 you'll see. He was the owner and publisher of a 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.840 gossip sheet called Town Topics, and he was no stranger 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:46.520 to scandal. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:51.920 Man wouldn't allow sloppy grammar or poor writing in his publications. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.360 That he was just fine with extortion to get the 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.200 stories he wanted and a little money in his pocket. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.240 He'd previously had his hand in several blackmail schemes, and 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.600 he actually had an organized plan ready to execute for 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.480 demanding money in exchange for keeping the love affairs of 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:12.880 high powered businessmen under wraps. He hired or paid off 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.599 domestic workers, friends, spouses, and family members to spy on 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.600 his potential victims. He would then bully those victims into 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.320 paying for a subscription. If you didn't hear my air quotes, 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:29.240 they were there to an expensive book. Subscription prices were 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.040 set on a victim buy a victim basis. The book, 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.960 by the way, was fake, and the subscription price was 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.159 just code for blackmail. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.640 Through friends and the rumor. Mill Edwin was already familiar 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.880 with Man's scheme before he became a target of it himself. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.080 Mostly people in his social circle just paid the requested 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:54.760 blackmail money and moved on. Representatives of Town Topics contacted Edwin, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.359 and Charles All, who was Man's second in command, suggested 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.920 that he and Edwin should meet as as soon as possible, 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.760 and they did in June of nineteen oh five. Town Topics. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.120 It was explained to him was going to go public 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.400 with details of Edwin's affairs, but they would suppress the 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.680 gossip if he subscribed to a vanity book that they 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:20.600 intended to print sometime in the distant future. Five hundred 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.159 dollars Town Topics, editors suggested would cover the costs, and 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.440 remember this was a fake book and the five hundred 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.440 dollars was hush money. All added that the other men 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.560 had been quote taxed at a greater amount for similar reasons. 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.520 Mann referred to this scheme in those he targeted as 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.839 his Gilded Age prey, a group of select men and 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.839 women who were basically stalked by the writers and editors 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.200 of his publication. He had a group of wealthy New 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.239 Yorkers that he took great pleasure in stealing money from 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.240 through his extortion schemes, and this went on for years. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.159 Edwins sought advice from prominent society lawyer Phoenix Ingram, who 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.760 insisted that Emily be brought into the discussion. It was 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:08.400 agreed the Posts would not pay man. But before we 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.200 start talking about how the blackmail scheme went down, we're 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.280 going to take a break for a word from our sponsors, 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.560 and when we're back, we will talk about how the 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.520 scandal played out in the headlines and at home. 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.920 Welcome back to Criminalia. So let's talk about how when 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.440 confronted with a divorce, Emily Post blossomed in a new 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:42.240 writing career. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.320 Instead of giving in to the demands, pay the money 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.080 or pay the price of public humiliation when your affairs 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.800 go public in print, Edwin decided to stand up to 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.240 the blackmailers and expose them, hoping it would make him 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:01.479 look like a hero. Some versions of Edwin's story suggest 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.640 that while his wife was from a wealthy family, Edwin, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.840 due to bad investments during the Panic of nineteen oh one, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.600 personally did not have the funds to make the whole 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.680 thing go away. He contacted authorities and was involved in 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.640 a sting to have the blackmailers caught and arrested. They 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.320 were apprehended by police in a local restaurant while waiting 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.800 for their payment Charles Hall too was arrested in Edwin's 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.240 Wall Street office, and he was prosecuted and convicted of extortion. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:33.360 Edwin's colleagues celebrated him for standing up to threats, and 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.360 some versions of history suggest that he even received a 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.280 standing ovation on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.400 Whether that's true or not, Edwin did raise his social 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:47.120 status by standing up to bullying in blackmail, but his 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.520 wife did not receive similar celebration. In mid July of 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.080 nineteen oh five, both the New York Times and the 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:59.080 New York Tribune began publishing running commentary of Edwin's blackmail situation. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.960 Across The front page of the Tribune splashed the headline 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.520 Stockbroker's way of dealing with bribe offer Edwin, post, the 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.320 article stated, was a partner in a brokerage firm and 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.800 summered with his wife and children in Tuxedo Park. The 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.360 Baltimore Son, which was Emily's hometown paper, ran a short 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.080 front page article on Edwin's affair, but did not mention 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.440 that Emily was the daughter of Baltimore's famous and celebrated 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:29.160 architect Bruce Price. The New York Times did portray Edwin 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.840 as the hero he wanted to be kind of. However, 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:39.280 in trade, Edwin had publicly exposed his infidelity and embarrassed 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.680 his wife. As the gossip and then his subsequent lawsuit 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.400 against town topics were splashed across New York City papers 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:51.720 four months for everyone to read. Of all involved, the 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.560 name of Edwin's paramore seems to have been the only 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.720 name kept secret during this whole blackmail case. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.480 Divorced during the Gilded Age, one possible, but society frowned 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.160 upon it. Plus it was incredibly difficult to obtain one 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.240 in many areas of the country. While suffering through the 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.200 days of the blackmail's scheme, Emily insisted on maintaining appearances 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.680 and would go to meet Edwin at the train each night, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.680 only to return home each night alone. She would later 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.239 say that she and Edwin together decided to expose his blackmailers, 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:28.079 but historians, including her biographer, disagree with that. Rose colored 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.720 Glass's view of her marriage's final act. Though Edwin and 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.760 his lawyer warned her of the impending storm, it's believed 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.240 she was not involved in the decision. It's also believed 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.559 her revision of the event was her attempt to conceal 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:45.160 Edwin's failure to protect her his wife from social humiliation. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.240 The couple divorced about a year later. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:53.800 Emily never forgave Edwin. Later, she would write quote, the 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:58.120 man who publicly dismirches his wife's name besmirches still more 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.960 his own and proves that he is not, was not, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.280 and never will be a gentleman. She was opposed to 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.040 divorce both before and after her own experience, and never 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.640 had another romantic relationship. In her article called on the 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.480 Care of Husbands, which ran in Life magazine three years 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.760 after the divorce, Emily openly chastised women who paid more 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.360 attention to winning the vote than to ensuring their husbands 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.200 were comfortable and content. The vote in this instance is 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.880 of course, in reference to women's suffrage women's legal right 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.320 to vote in elections in the United States. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.280 Emily rarely mentioned her ex husband after their divorce, and 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.640 neither does history. According to Emily's grantson Billy quote, she 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.840 never once mentioned Edwin in my hearing, nor did she 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.440 ever speak of remarrying. I have absolutely no idea whether 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.080 my grandmother wanted to divorce Edwin or not. What I 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.280 do know, without a doubt is that she did not 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:02.319 wish her personal problems to become public. Ever, Emily went 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.000 on to transform herself into an expert on successful marriage 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.880 and the ins and outs of daily etiquette. You could 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.160 say the blackmail and eventual divorce led her into a 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.320 successful writing career. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.600 Remarrying was the traditional path for a woman of her 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.360 status in the early nineteen hundreds, but with no interest 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.079 in another relationship and no forthcoming financial support from Edwin, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.840 Emily charted a different path. Her writing career began in 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.400 roughly nineteen oh two ish when Francis Hopkinson Smith, who 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.480 was a family friend, passed along some of her letters 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.280 to an editor at Ainsley's Magazine. It was after the 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.440 tragedy of her marriage that Emily really flourished. She became 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.640 a novelist, a travel correspondent, and a syndicated columnist, and 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.880 she raised two sons. And that is all before she 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.400 became famous for her writings on etiquette, which is probably 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:59.400 how many of us best know her. Edwin had discouraged 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.480 her creative talents and interests, but after their divorce he 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.439 no longer stood in her way. She published five novels, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.000 Flight of a Moth in nineteen oh four, Purple and 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.720 Fine Linen in nineteen oh five, Woven in the Tapestry 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.200 in nineteen oh eight, The Title Market in nineteen oh nine, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.640 and The Eagles Feather in nineteen ten. In nineteen oh nine, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.000 Emily's mother tragically died in a car accident, leaving her 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.680 daughter a large inheritance. Her father had already passed away 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.520 in nineteen oh three, so she had enough money to 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.760 live on, but Emily chose to stay in the writing game. 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.840 On April twenty fifth, nineteen fifteen, Emily left on an 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.520 adventurous road trip from New York to San Francisco with 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.560 her son Edwin and her cousin Alice Beatleston. This was adventurous, yes, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.400 but it was also dangerous. Both cars and roads across 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.920 the United States weren't always up for the trip. At 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.480 this time, it was shocking for a woman to engage 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.520 in such a thing. It took twenty seven days and 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.120 close to eighteen hundred dollars, but the trio made it. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.120 Emily's cross country story was published by Collier's Weekly in 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:11.079 three parts on September fourth, September eleventh, and September eighteenth, 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.880 and it was so well received it was turned into 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.679 a book called by Motor to the Golden Gate and 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.280 published in nineteen sixteen. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.520 We're going to take a break here for a word 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.760 from our sponsors, and when we return we'll talk about 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.320 when and how Emily Post famously became the go to 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.120 on all things etiquette. 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.360 Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about Emily's famous etiquette 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.320 book and what it did for her career. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.400 The six hundred and fifty page Etiquette, the Blue Book 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.800 of Social Usage, was published by Funk and Wagnalls in 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.559 July of nineteen twenty two, when Emily was fifty years old. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.880 Referred to then and now simply as Etiquette, the book 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.520 became a bestseller, despite its author allegedly stating quote domestic 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.880 details bore me. The way Post herself liked to tell 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.360 the story, she hated the idea of writing a book 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.400 that told people how they should act. Long after she 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.160 became the Queen of etiquette, Emily would claim that it 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.640 was Frank Crowninshield, the long standing editor of Vanity Fair magazine, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.440 who had put her up to it. She claimed that 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.880 he had urged her to consider all of the people 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:38.200 who would benefit from such instruction, including quote, all those 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.760 new war wives desperate to know how to write a 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.440 thank you note, all those immigrants who had made it 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.200 to our country before the rules tightened, all those new 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.400 money people ashamed to admit they had no idea how 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.040 to behave in society. So whether that story is true 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.000 or not. In nineteen twenty one, she was approached by 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.400 Richard Duffy of Funk and Wagnall's and asked to consider 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.520 writing a book on etiquette. She agreed to do it 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.400 only because she quote took issue with the content in 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.280 the available books on the subject. According to her biographer, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.280 though Emily had actually proposed this very type of book 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:18.440 to a literary agent years earlier who had dismissed it 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.720 as unworthy of her, she got there somehow, regardless of 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:27.120 which Path and Etiquette was a nonfiction bestseller. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.400 She'd hit a nerve, and Emily's advice about everything from 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.840 forks to greetings became incredibly popular at this time. In 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.720 the United States. For instance, people weren't always taught not 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.200 to blow their noses into their hands, or that propping 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.440 one's elbows on the table at dinner quote really makes 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:49.000 no difference. Her books helped people fit in every edition 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.600 of Etiquette emphasized her one basic rule to make the 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.400 other person feel comfortable. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.000 In addition to writing, she also established herself on the air, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.800 talking about etiquette on her own radio show sponsored by 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:08.000 General Electric. Her program was so popular President Franklin Roosevelt 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.240 stated that the greatest compliment he'd received when he started 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.280 his own fireside chats was quote, you're as good as 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:19.800 Emily Post. She received thousands of letters a week and 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.920 wrote a monthly column in McCall's magazine. In addition to 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:28.240 content creation, in becoming a star media personality, she endorsed 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.320 all kinds of products, from cigarettes to gingerbread, and she 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.480 financed the construction of a fourteen story apartment building at 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.920 the corner of Madison Avenue in seventy ninth Street in Manhattan. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.280 She moved into apartment nine B and in what sounds 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.600 like the dreamiest arrangement, her friends filled the rest of 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:48.120 the building. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.760 Since the first edition of Etiquette found its audience, the 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.680 name of Emily Post has become synonymous with all things etiquette, 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.600 and in nineteen forty six, after sixty five reprints of 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.200 her book book, Emily founded the Emily Post Institute with 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:07.560 her son. Four years later, Pageant magazine named her the 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:13.480 second most powerful woman in America after Eleanor Roosevelt. Emily Post. Historians, 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.920 including the Emily Post Institute and her biographer, believe that 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.120 at the heart of her philosophy of life was kindness, 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.120 and Emily tells us just that in the very first 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.199 edition of her etiquette book, quote best society is not 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.600 a fellowship of the wealthy, nor does it seek to 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.760 exclude those who are not of exalted birth. But it 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.240 is an association of gentlefolk, of which good form and speech, 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.240 charm of manner, knowledge of the social amenities, and instinctive 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.560 consideration for the feelings of others are the credentials. When 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.920 she died at the age of eighty six, Life magazine 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.359 reported that quote, the world has lost its best known 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.840 arbiter of good conduct, and that is our Emily Post. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.160 Blackmails stories really a story about Emily, not Edwin. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:06.160 I like that this is one where the person who's 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.320 most harmed by the whole thing comes out on top 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:09.320 of We don't always get. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:10.720 There, We almost never get those. 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.720 Would you like a little coercion concoction? 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:19.719 I would love to hear about this drink? I hear, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:20.440 it's delightful. 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.040 The drink I think is pretty yummy. But here's the 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.520 thing that Emily is very interesting in a variety of ways, 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.840 one of which was Emily is alleged to have never 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.520 had a drop of alcohol in her life. What's very 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.879 very interesting about her is she was also against prohibition 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.040 because she was not a teetotalert. This is a really 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.879 interesting time in American history where a lot of the people, 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.399 or a significant fraction of the people who were really 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:54.760 pushing for prohibition were women who had probably most of 0:18:54.800 --> 0:19:00.199 them been exposed to some really bad experiences because of 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.639 men who could not control their relationship with alcohol, and 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.160 so that was a big driver of it. But Emily 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.919 is this weird outlier because aside from the fact that 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.840 she also was not about the right to vote. But 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:13.800 we're going to look over that. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.040 Kind of novice. I'm going to go with time and below. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.920 But then she was like, no, I don't think prohibition's good. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.080 You should let people make their own choices, which is 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:26.520 pretty interesting. Yeah, one for this concoction, We're going to 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.400 start with the mocktail, since she was not a drinker, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.359 But this mocktail has its own function. I will say, 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.280 and I'll explain it at the end. This is called 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.960 good conduct, by the way, and it starts with a 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:42.040 half an ounce of rosemary syrup, which you were going 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.440 to put in your shaking tin, with three quarters of 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.040 an ounce of lemon juice and an ounce and a 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.440 half of pineapple nectar, and give that a shake because 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.239 you have a lot of sugar in there, and you 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.080 want the citrus to break down your sugar so everything 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.240 can come together nicely. And then you're just going to 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.719 strain that into like a double rocks glass with in it, 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.160 and you're gonna top it with three ounces of ginger ale. 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.159 You can hit it with like a dash or two 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.760 of angusterra bitters and then garnish it with a rosemary sprig. 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.760 This is a delicious drink. I am in love with 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:17.400 this thing. I want to make it constantly. But the 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.960 whole idea that I was trying to work on while 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.600 I made this was that I wanted to make a 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.920 drink that a good hostess could offer any of her 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:30.359 guests with the option that whatever spirit of their choice 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.680 would go into it and they would all work. So 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:34.560 if you want to add an ounce and a half 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.920 of gin great an ounce and a half of vodka, 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.440 great an ounce and a half of the whiskey of 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.280 your choice. Whether you're into like Canadian whiskey or a 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.119 rye or a bourbon, they're all gonna work in this drink. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.359 The flavor of it is what I would call refined, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.560 but not stuffy. It's interesting. The flavors all do nice 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.560 things together, but it's not like, fancy, just drink your drink. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.880 I made mine with a rhubarb gin that I had 0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:59.760 found at our local liquor story recently. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:04.160 I was delicious, delicious. 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.480 But I really wanted to come up with something that, 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.280 you know, if you were having a soiree and you 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.480 wanted like your signature drink or whatever, you could make 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.399 and then the guests all. You have made them all 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.640 feel comfortable by saying, if you would like to add 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:22.800 the spirit of your choice, we can absolutely do that. 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.480 But if you don't want any, the main drink is fine, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.520 and it has no alcohol. Donna obviously for some people, 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.199 if you really are hardcore and you do absolutely not 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.840 a drop, leave those bitters out. It's not a big 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.000 change trips that just adds a little flavors in to it. 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.280 But this felt like the best way I could stay 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:43.879 in line and honor Emily Post's ideology while still making 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.480 drinks of plenty. This is also a really easy one 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.919 to batch. If you are having people over, you can 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.119 the rosemary syrup and the lemon juice and pineapple nectar. 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.760 Just scale up your numbers, make a picture and then 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.600 just add that top it with your ginger ales so 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:01.360 you still have bubbles when people drinking it. And then 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:05.000 obviously you can stir in whatever spirit they delight in 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.159 and that will make it easy. 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:07.440 Piec. 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.400 I want to try this with Bourbon day. 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:13.880 I actually have pineapple ube and the refrigerator right now, 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:17.680 so I will be experimenting with different ones. 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.440 I know it will work, but I want a different 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.240 You know, recently we had Rye on the show. I 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.800 think I might want to play with that this evening. 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:32.040 But in any case, that is good conduct because it's 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:33.840 the best way I could think of to make everybody 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.760 who might be at your house comfortable. This happens a lot. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.280 I think most of our mocktail drinkers in the crowd 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.639 know that when you go out, you don't have a 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.920 lot of options for drinks, and even if you go 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:47.280 to a party. There are not a lot of great 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.840 non alcoholic drinks that are actually drinks that are like 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.280 put together as a thing and not just here is 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.639 your ginger Ale with a little grenadine in it or whatever, 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.360 which is fine if that's what you love, that's fine. 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.360 But the idea of making something that is uniquely itself 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:04.840 and a little bit special so everybody feels like they're 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:06.920 included right out of the jump and you're not the 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:07.640 weird outlier. 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.760 It reminds me of the vegetarian party problem, where you're 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.040 always a flatbread with rist and red peppers. 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.560 Yes, I'm sorry to the vegetarians in the crowd, because 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.480 I have seen it happen. Some people that don't drink 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.439 are perfectly happy and are like I would like ginger 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.080 ale or a club soda or whatever, and that's totally cool. 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.520 But I like the idea of welcoming people with the 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:33.959 drink that everyone can partake in. It's very emily post inclusive. 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:39.560 Make everybody feel good. That's my hippie rejoinder, the good conduct. 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.320 We are so grateful that you were here with us. 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:46.879 If you were here with us in our physical space, 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.120