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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the mother in law from Hell.

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Speaker 1: The real life monster in law, Donna Adelson learns her

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Speaker 1: fate in court for masterminding her son in law's murder,

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Speaker 1: still insisting quote, I'm an innocent woman.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 3: being with us.

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Speaker 1: Monster in law Donna Adelson learns her fate in court

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Speaker 1: for the murder for hire shooting death of her son

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Speaker 1: in law, esteemed law professor Daniel Marcel. As you recall

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Speaker 1: the Florida grandma found guilty of murder just weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: As she was sentenced in court, Adelson insists she's innocent.

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Speaker 1: Quote I swear to you on my life, I was

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Speaker 1: not involved in any way with Danny's murder.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Just.

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Speaker 1: Shut your pie hole, because the evidence pruse you were

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Speaker 1: very much involved, in fact that you masterminded it.

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Speaker 4: And I have.

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Speaker 3: Spoken to Agar who agrees.

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Speaker 1: Donna Adelson, the matriarch of an extremely wealthy Florida family,

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Speaker 1: gets a sentence of life behind bars.

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Speaker 3: She deserves that and so much more. And this is why.

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Speaker 2: Let me just start with our friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 5: Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson

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Speaker 5: is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving

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Speaker 5: Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey is with

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Speaker 5: her as police take her into custody, the latest person

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Speaker 5: to be arrested in the murder for higher plot killing

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Speaker 5: of Nan Markel. In charging documents and a warrant request,

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Speaker 5: prosecutors noted that on recorded Jaill phone calls, Adelson discussed

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Speaker 5: killing herself and leaving the country. Following Charlie Adelson's conviction,

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Speaker 5: he is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people

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Speaker 5: have also been convicted in Markel's murder. Donna and Harvey

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Speaker 5: Adelson had one way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has

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Speaker 5: no extradition agreement with the United States.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand this with me an all star

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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 1: But first too, Joel Waldman joining us out of this

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction in Florida host dom surviving the survivor. Joel the

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Speaker 1: mother in law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson. Charlie

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Speaker 1: Adelson is the brother in law, and he's not just.

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Speaker 2: The brother in law.

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Speaker 1: He's apparently a very well respected periodontist.

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Speaker 2: This is the brother.

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Speaker 1: In law of the dead husband, the dad, Dan Markill,

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Speaker 1: the law professor. So I want to first start with

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Speaker 1: the mother in law trying to flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: But this is just after her son is convicted in

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Speaker 1: the murder.

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Speaker 2: Let's just start.

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Speaker 1: Why is the mother in law at the airport with

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Speaker 1: her husband, Harvey, with a one way ticket to Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how that whole thing went down.

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested,

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Speaker 6: and she knew that it was coming. What a lot

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Speaker 6: of people don't know is that this happened over nine

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Speaker 6: years ago, so they've been waiting for justice all these years.

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Speaker 6: The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as is the

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Speaker 6: middle woman. But just to get back to your original

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Speaker 6: question about Donna Aedelson, it was on a Monday that

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Speaker 6: Charles Adelsin, the ex brother in law, was convicted, and

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Speaker 6: then exactly a week to the day, Donna Adelsin is

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Speaker 6: arrested at Miami International Airport. And what we've found out

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Speaker 6: since then is almost immediately after Charlie's conviction, Donna and

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Speaker 6: her son Charlie were on the phone for thirty five

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Speaker 6: hours that week.

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Speaker 1: Good Lord in Heaven, thirty five hours in one week.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you're hearing Joel Waldman.

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Speaker 1: He is a host of an incredible podcast, Surviving the Survivor.

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Speaker 2: Joel, don't lose any of those thoughts. Dave Ehrenberg is

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Speaker 2: joining us. PAULM.

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Speaker 1: Beach County state attorney and friend of Dan Markel also

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Speaker 1: with me. Tamara Dimco, I've got this. She is a

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Speaker 1: doctor a jd.

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Speaker 2: An Rn. She went to Harvard Law School.

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Speaker 1: But aside from all of her ag in her achievements,

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Speaker 1: she's a close friend of the murder victim, Dan Markel.

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Speaker 1: And again this case is like my head is spinning

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Speaker 1: But to break it down, this law professor Dan Markel, young, attractive,

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Speaker 1: devoted father. He goes out of town, he comes back,

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Speaker 1: acrimonious divorce with Wendy Adel's son. Okay, it's her mother

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Speaker 1: that just got nabbed on a one way taken to Vietnam,

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Speaker 1: dragging along the father. What did he know Harvey? Is

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Speaker 1: Long story short, David Ehrenberg, before I go to tamaraw Dave,

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Speaker 1: I heard you say something that I researched intensely. You

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Speaker 1: and murder and you referred to him as the Maestro.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned he drives around town in his Ferrari

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he is someone who's very self assured.

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Speaker 2: That's one way to put it right.

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Speaker 7: the Maestro I think it was Alan Greenspan and how

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Speaker 7: himself in that same vein that he controls things. So,

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Speaker 7: you know, that's a pretty interesting piece of evidence to

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Speaker 1: Is he just as smarter than everybody in the room.

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Speaker 1: What they can't read? That sign at the jail says

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Speaker 1: this is being recorded.

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Speaker 2: Hello, exactly.

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Speaker 7: You know he was so cocksure himself throughout the trial,

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Speaker 7: the fact that he took the stand and spun this

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Speaker 1: He just put his head down, like, I can't believe

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Speaker 1: somebody has finally called me on my shiit. He finally

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Speaker 1: finally had to answer up that he arrased the hit.

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Speaker 8: No one want to see address of your emergency application. Okay, come,

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Speaker 8: exactly what happened?

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Speaker 4: We heard it looked in the garage goal was up,

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars.

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Speaker 1: When I hear about the execution style hit on a

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Speaker 2: When I hear that, it just pounds it in. He

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Speaker 1: He didn't get shot and just die instantly. He was

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Speaker 1: still trying to speak. He was still moving his head around.

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Speaker 1: Professor Dan Markel, I had heard of him as being

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Speaker 1: Did the victim die immediately? Did they know what was

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Speaker 1: Was he thinking about his children? Will I ever see

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to more of that nine to one one call.

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Speaker 2: We're going to hear it, just like the jury.

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Speaker 8: So you're saying his head is bloody, now, yes, some bloody.

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Speaker 4: I mean the window shattered. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 8: It's the driver's side window, correct, that's correct.

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Speaker 4: He's still moving around, So who's alive?

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Speaker 8: Okay, looks like I should have an austar coming up

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Speaker 8: come until we figure out what's going on, but they're

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Speaker 4: Okay, you'd better be if this guy's got a shot.

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Speaker 2: The state alleges she masterminded.

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Speaker 1: A paid hit on her own son in law, Howe

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Speaker 1: and the hey did a mild mannered law professor end

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Speaker 2: His own garage, in his own car.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's pulling in home to see his children

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Speaker 9: Listen to this and Markell comes home to find the

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Speaker 9: it was gone for six weeks. Dan Markell says he

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Speaker 1: My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children,

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Speaker 1: the two little boys, away from daddy. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something, Dave Mack joining me along with Gigi McKelvey.

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Speaker 1: First of you, Dave Mac, Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave

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Speaker 1: mac There.

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Speaker 2: Was never an allegation.

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Speaker 1: That Professor Markel beat the children, abuse the children, star

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Speaker 1: of the children. In fact, if anything, he ejulged them.

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Speaker 1: He petted them too much. They were his mini mees.

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Speaker 1: He adored them. So the whole family gets in league

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Speaker 10: What it is so shocking, Nancy that okay, marriage is

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Speaker 10: to remember that Wendy Adelson's family is all in South Florida,

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Speaker 10: and that's where she wants to go.

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Speaker 10: We're talking an eight hour difference between where the where

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Speaker 10: the Markel's live in the northern part of Florida and

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Speaker 10: where the Adolson family lives in southern Florida rather, and

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Speaker 10: when Wendy doesn't get that approval to move with that's it.

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Speaker 10: That's where everything begins.

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Speaker 7: Nancy.

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Speaker 10: They actually, and I say they, the Adolson family. You

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Speaker 10: mentioned Dan Markel comes home to an empty house, right, Well,

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Speaker 10: the keynote speaker at this big event. They made sure

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Speaker 7: They played it out.

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Speaker 10: Perfectly, and there was some crowd of damaging him like that.

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Speaker 10: It was amazing what they did to this man.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, you know, hold on, Gigi. Let me

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Speaker 1: go to Eric Fattus really quickly. Guys, Eric Fattus, veteran

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Speaker 2: That's important, now, Defense.

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Speaker 1: Attorney Eric, when you are about to go to trial,

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Speaker 11: Oh goes. I mean that is going to shake anybody have,

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Speaker 11: You've got to be listening. There are details you've got

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Speaker 1: Gigi McKelvey, investigative journalist, host of podcasts A hit podcast,

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Speaker 2: What happened then, Gigi.

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Speaker 12: Well, we know that Dan was on the phone with

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Speaker 12: He told the person on the phone, there's someone unfamiliar

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Speaker 12: That's correct, pulled up to where he would not have

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Speaker 1: Ron Bateman joining me, former sheriff in Arundel County, Maryland,

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Speaker 2: Ron. This is a hit. There's no two ways about it.

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Speaker 1: There's no sex attack, nothing is stolen, there's not a

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Speaker 2: That's a hit. That's an execution.

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Speaker 14: Freema, sure with malice. The forefought absolutely first degree murder

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Speaker 1: Now another thing, Dave Mack joining me Crime Stories, investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that just before he was murdered, Professor

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Speaker 1: Markel was.

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Speaker 2: On the phone with the wife.

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Speaker 1: Again basically the only person left standing that hasn't been

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Speaker 10: It was a constant discussion between Dan Markel and Wendy

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Speaker 10: But yes, Nancy, she kept him on the phone and

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys again, Wendy Adelson has not been charged and

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Speaker 9: After the court prevents Wendy Aedelson from moving to South

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Speaker 9: converted to Catholicism, knowing Markell and his family are strict

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Speaker 1: Man talk about down in dirty to doctor Sherry Schwartz

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Speaker 2: She has written multiple books.

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Speaker 1: The one I Like the Best Criminal Behavior and the

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Speaker 1: other one where law and psychology intersect. Doctor Sherry, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us, Doctor Sherry number one. They

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Speaker 1: try to bribe Markell the mother he's on trial right

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Speaker 1: bribe Markel, offering him a million dollars a cool meal

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Speaker 1: if he would let the boys relocate from Tallahassee hours

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Speaker 2: He's like, hell, no, I want to be with my children.

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Speaker 2: I don't even want this divorce.

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Speaker 1: Then, after the bribe didn't work, she allegedly decides to

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Speaker 2: Don't you know?

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Speaker 15: Generally speaking, when you're talking about this level of cruelty

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Speaker 15: when the person, the target in this case, mister Marcall,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crownsey is joining me, Chief Medical Examiner Terran County,

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Speaker 1: that's Fort Worth. He is the esteemed lecturer at the

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Speaker 1: Burnett School of Medicine, that is at TCU, and he

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Speaker 1: is a star of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem

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Speaker 1: in the Morgue. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I want you to

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Speaker 2: The bullet that tore through Dan Markell's face. Listen.

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Speaker 9: The Florida criminal law professor was pulling into his driveway

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Speaker 9: The killer was waiting for Markel outside his home in

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm having my hot tea, but I

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Speaker 3: Markel's jaw line.

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Speaker 1: He was trying to talk, say something to the neighbor,

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Speaker 16: If those two vessels are hit, he's going to survive

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Speaker 1: This horrendous injury, pain beyond excruciating to the neck and

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you ever think about what you're saying

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Speaker 16: to me. You ask me a question, I will give

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Speaker 16: you a clinical answer describing what's injured, not thinking about him,

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Speaker 16: his family, the pain and suffering, etc.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, of.

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Speaker 3: Course she went down fighting, lying through her teeth to

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Speaker 3: the bitter end.

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Speaker 1: In court, Adelson gives a statement she maintained her innocence

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Speaker 1: and accused the state of not being able to make

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Speaker 1: up its mind about who the quote mastermind really was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, woman, does it never end with you quote?

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Speaker 1: If I had become aware of this plan before Danny

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Speaker 1: was murdered, I would have stopped it. What happened to

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Speaker 1: Danny is unforgivable. But I am an innocent woman convicted

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Speaker 1: of this terrible crime without evidence. I swear to you

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Speaker 1: on my life I was not involved in any way

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Speaker 1: with Danny's murder.

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Speaker 16: I was not.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's got to be some psychiatric or psychological.

458
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Speaker 1: Reasoning behind lying to the bitter end, even though you've

459
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Speaker 1: been proving guilty in court. Could you just say I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was blinded by rage jealousy. If only

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Speaker 1: I could take it back. But oh, hbl Inn, she's

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Speaker 1: gonna lie to the bitter end. Why do I say

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Speaker 1: she's lying? This is why.

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Speaker 5: The twelve member jury deliberated for approximately three hours before

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Speaker 5: returning a guilty verdict against Donna Adelson. She was found

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Speaker 5: guilty of first degree murder conspiracy and solicitation in Dan

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Speaker 5: Markel's death. Adelson is the second member of her family

468
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Speaker 5: to be found guilty in this case. Son Charlie was

469
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Speaker 5: convicted first to hired killers and to go between also sentenced.

470
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Speaker 5: Donna Adelson gasped aloud as the judge read the verdict.

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Speaker 5: Judge Stephen Everett told adels And to control herself as

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Speaker 5: she started to cry, instructing her to not have any

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Speaker 5: more outburst in front of the jury. Ruth Markel, Dan's mother,

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Speaker 5: said in her impact statement that Donna Adelson is a curse.

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Speaker 3: Back to the facts of the case.

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Speaker 1: Tamara Demco, a very dear friend of Dan Markel's, was

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Speaker 1: living in Tallahassee when Dan was murdered.

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Speaker 2: Tamara, I hardly.

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Speaker 1: Even know where to start, but why don't we start

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Speaker 1: with the day of the murder, what happened.

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Speaker 17: I did not find out about Danny being shot until

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Speaker 17: he had already passed. So the nineteenth of July, I

483
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 17: received an email from a law school friend that said,

484
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Speaker 17: I just heard what happened to Dan? Are you okay?

485
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 17: And she knew that I was very close to Danny.

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00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 17: So I went to Facebook and I looked and I

487
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Speaker 17: saw the awful news, and it was horrifying because he

488
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Speaker 17: was shot in broad daylight before noon on the eighteenth

489
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Speaker 17: a Friday. I was working two miles down the road

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Speaker 17: while my dear friend was being murdered, and the thought

491
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 17: was just horrifying. It broke my heart to hear the news,

492
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Speaker 17: and it was very.

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Speaker 1: Devastating, Tamara, I think you'll agree with me. Women all

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Speaker 1: over the world only wish their husband would take the

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Speaker 1: children to school in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Do the school run. I happened to love. That's my

497
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Speaker 2: favorite part of the day.

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Speaker 1: But be involved, play with the children, do something with

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Speaker 1: the children. And I mean, I got lucky because my

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Speaker 1: husband does. But so many women feel that it's all

501
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: on them. And here's the guy, your friend, Danny Marcel,

502
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Speaker 1: who is fighting tooth and nail for his children.

503
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: What if anything, do you.

504
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: Know about his battle with his wife and his in

505
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Speaker 1: laws over the children.

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Speaker 17: I think you're absolutely right, Nancy. Danny was just so

507
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 17: passionate for life, and he was most passionate about his boys.

508
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 17: He was a loyal friend, someone who would go out

509
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Speaker 17: of his way to see you and to support you,

510
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 17: and he was just a blessing to everyone he met.

511
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Speaker 17: But The boys were his life, and he would even

512
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Speaker 17: take time out of his schedule to go meet up

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Speaker 17: with the boys just for snack time. That's the kind

514
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Speaker 17: of dad he was. You'd also see them to sleep

515
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Speaker 17: at night and he would play with them. He was

516
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 17: just a wonderful, wonderful dad, and the boys deserved and

517
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 17: still deserved to know him and who he was. The

518
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 17: divorce was very contentious.

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Speaker 1: Well that's one way to put it, Tamara. I mean,

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Speaker 1: because did I have those facts right? He goes he's

521
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Speaker 1: a professor. It is FSU, correct, Danny Markel was a

522
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: professor at FSU to State University, correct, and was apparently

523
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Speaker 1: in the academic world very well regarded, who was also devout.

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Speaker 1: Because Joel Wollman, I'm diverting away from Tamara, but I

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Speaker 1: want her answer. Isn't it true that we find out

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Speaker 1: the mother in law, Donna Adelson, she quit work and

527
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Speaker 1: spent her whole life cultivating her three children like they

528
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: were hothouse plants, going to the right schools, going to

529
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Speaker 1: the right camps over the summer, getting this award and

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Speaker 1: that award, and the whole shebang.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not detigrading that. I'm applauding that.

532
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Speaker 1: But isn't it true that she tried to get Wendy

533
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Speaker 1: to bribe Danny with a million dollars.

534
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Speaker 2: To give up the children.

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Speaker 1: Essentially let them move seven or eight hours away to

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Speaker 1: be close to her, the grandma. And then when that

537
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: didn't work, she wanted Wendy to threaten to raise them

538
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Speaker 1: as Catholics, yeah, and have them baptized and they were

539
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: devout Jews, thinking that would throw them over the edge,

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Speaker 1: and Wendy, to her credit on that well, ostensibly would

541
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Speaker 1: not do it.

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Speaker 2: Didn't that happen?

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Speaker 6: Joel Waldman, Nancy, this just shows you how demented the matriarch,

544
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Speaker 6: Donna Aedelson is at the wedding. Obviously, prior to all

545
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 6: the acrimony, Dan Markel, as he just mentioned, was becoming

546
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Speaker 6: more and more involved in his Judaism. He really wanted

547
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 6: a kosher wedding, and lo and behold, at the wedding itself,

548
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 6: they pulled all the kosher food. It was something that

549
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 6: was perplexing to the Markell family. They couldn't understand it.

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00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 6: They had friends who are coming who would only eat

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Speaker 6: kosher food. And then as things heated up, and as

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Speaker 6: this deforce got more than working.

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Speaker 1: Ye, whoa, whoa Joel Wait isn't this was this the

554
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Speaker 1: big wedding with two hundred guests in Boca Ratone.

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00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 6: Yes, it is two hundred plus.

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Speaker 1: And it was in the New York Times. You know

557
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Speaker 1: how hard it is to get your wedding. I did

558
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Speaker 1: not try, Jack, You don't look at me that way.

559
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: I was lucky to get it in the making Telegraph.

560
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: Oh and the headline was something like Grace secretly Mary's

561
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: husband converts from that Baptist to Methodist. Okay converts anyway,

562
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: Something to that effect was in some paper, long story short.

563
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Speaker 1: It was so big it was in the New York Times. Lavish, Wait,

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Speaker 1: this is the first I've heard that they pulled the

565
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Speaker 1: kosher food. Who pulled the kosher food?

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Speaker 6: This is the Adelson family. They pulled the kosher food.

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Speaker 6: And all the guests there, you know, probably a good

568
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Speaker 6: portion would only eat kosher food. So there goes the

569
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Speaker 6: wedding meal for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: And I bet Markel threw a fit like nobody's business.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Yes, Karen Stark's psychologist at karenstark dot com.

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Speaker 2: Karen with as go, Karen, go go go.

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Speaker 18: The mother in law Nie have given them a one education,

574
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Speaker 18: but there are no good values of morality that we're

575
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Speaker 18: talking about. They didn't seem to get that at all.

576
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Speaker 18: What an outrageous story. You have guests who.

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Speaker 1: Can eat, Karen, You do know there's been a murderer,

578
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Speaker 1: So let's not get too hung up on the wedding.

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Speaker 2: Although I agree with you that, I mean, I.

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Speaker 18: Know nance, but you know what, the thing that really

581
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 18: gets to me the most beside the murder are the children.

582
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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, back to the children. Thank you.

583
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Speaker 1: Let's get the ship right and bask out of the

584
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Speaker 1: weeds and back on the road. And since we're so

585
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: much on the road and we're out of the wage,

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Speaker 1: Joel Waldman, isn't it also true that there is a

587
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Speaker 1: third sibling. You've got Wendy, who was married to the

588
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: murder victim, and to this day everyone insists she knew

589
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: nothing about the plot by her mother and brother.

590
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 2: To kill him.

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Speaker 1: You got Wendy, you got the brother, Charlie, who can

592
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: good of hiring a hitman to kill his brother in law.

593
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Speaker 1: And you've got a third sibling that was in love

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Speaker 1: with an Indian girl who was Hindu, and the parents

595
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: the Adolsons threw such a fit, he broke off married

596
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Speaker 1: someone that they would accept. That marriage fell apart after

597
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Speaker 1: a couple of years, and he went back to his

598
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Speaker 1: original first love and they're together today.

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Speaker 2: Is that right, Joel Waltman?

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Speaker 6: That is one hundred percent correct. There is just such

601
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Speaker 6: thick irony here. And I have to say this because

602
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 6: the podcast is called Surviving the Survivor, because my dear

603
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 6: mother is a Holocaust survivor, and this Jewish grandmother, Donna Adelson,

604
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Speaker 6: at one point threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren

605
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Speaker 6: march down the streets in Nazi uniforms. Den Markel was

606
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 6: too Jewish. Den Markell was too Jewish, but Rob Adelson

607
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 6: marrying a non Jewish woman, she was just beside herself.

608
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 6: So they dug their noses into that relationship. Insisted that

609
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Speaker 6: Rob Adolson, the now estranged son of the Adelson family,

610
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Speaker 6: marry a Jewish woman. He did for a short time,

611
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 6: he was not in love. And then later he reconnects

612
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 6: with this Indian doctor, this woman, and now he is

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Speaker 6: happily married and completely disconnected from the Adelson family.

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Speaker 1: Dave Ehrenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah it is. Joel is one hundred percent correct. They

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Speaker 7: are not going to win Parents of the Year. There

617
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 7: was an article that came out from a supporter of

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Speaker 7: the Adolsons, which was a little suspicious because of the timing.

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Speaker 7: It looks like perhaps it was from a paid supporter,

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Speaker 7: someone who said he's known the Aedelsns forever and they

621
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Speaker 7: would never do something like this. They must be innocent.

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Speaker 7: But then it was revealed that the author of the

623
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Speaker 7: piece hadn't spoken to the Aelsons in twenty five plus years,

624
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 7: hadn't seen them in more than twenty five years. So

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Speaker 7: they don't have a lot of defenders right now now, Nancy,

626
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Speaker 7: And the big question is Donna is guilty? What's the

627
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 7: next shoot a ball? Because I don't think prosecutors will

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Speaker 7: be done there.

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Speaker 1: You mean, you believe prosecutors are going to go after

630
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Speaker 1: the father in law, Harvey Adelson, who was with Donna

631
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Speaker 1: Adelson on his way to Vietnam. Didn't he go, hey,

632
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Speaker 1: why are we going to Vietnam? I mean, or why

633
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Speaker 1: don't we have a one way ticket to Vietnam? We're

634
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Speaker 1: not coming home?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: And you know what that is?

637
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that and several of the phone calls that

638
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: are under suspicion.

639
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: Of course, the fans got in on this. Guys.

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Speaker 1: We cannot sign off without talking about the bump, okay,

641
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: which I'll get to. But his phone, Harvey Adelson's phone,

642
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: took a lot of the phone calls around the time

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Speaker 1: of the murder. But you know what, let's bring it home.

644
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Speaker 1: Let's bring it home just a moment. Let's take a

645
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut to the nine to one one

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Speaker 1: called listen to this.

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Speaker 8: Okay, what's going on with him? I don't know.

648
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 4: The driver's side window is all bashed in and he's

649
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: got blood all over his head.

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Speaker 1: To Tamara Jimco. She is a doctor, she is a JD.

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Speaker 1: She is an r N. She's a Harvard Law school

652
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: classmate with Danny Markel. She's known since nineteen ninety seven.

653
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Speaker 1: Was at work a few blocks away when Danny was murdered.

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Speaker 1: When I think of this, I know he was brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I know he's a Harvard lawgride. I know he's a

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Speaker 1: law professor, wrote all sorts of very impressive works of

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Speaker 1: legal acuity.

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Speaker 2: I know that.

659
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Speaker 1: But a dad so involved, so full of life, it's

660
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Speaker 1: very hard for me to take in that his own

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Speaker 1: in laws would have him killed.

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Speaker 17: Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too.

663
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 17: I actually grew up in the same town as the Adelson's,

664
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Speaker 17: my family's home a mile away from their home, and

665
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Speaker 17: I guess lectured for Wendy Adelson in her law school classes.

666
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Speaker 17: It was really something that I did not want to

667
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Speaker 17: consider as a possibility, and it's heartbreaking in and of itself.

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Speaker 1: Samarrah, of course you were not on Charlie Aidelson's the Maestro,

669
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Speaker 1: But now that you were seeing the evidence unfold, what

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Speaker 1: do you think.

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Speaker 17: I think that there was a very concerted effort and

672
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Speaker 17: a long time planning. I believe the Adelson's or planners.

673
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 17: I'm very grateful for everyone who's worked hard for justice

674
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 17: in this case, and I firmly believe and hope that

675
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 17: justice will continue to happen and will continue to seek

676
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 17: it to the point where everyone involved is held accountable,

677
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 17: and that a callous disregard for life and the cold

678
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 17: calculation of the murder is not something that a self serving,

679
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 17: this kind of self serving premeditated and he in his

680
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Speaker 17: act should never be viewed as inconsequential and repeated by anyone,

681
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Speaker 17: and that's such a kind of justice that I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: Tamara Dimko joining us. Did you know Donna Adelson, the

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Speaker 1: mother in law.

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Speaker 17: I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I

685
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 17: had also been to Wendy's home and Aqua Ridge. And yes,

686
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Speaker 17: I've met Donna several times. I have had drinks with her,

687
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Speaker 17: I've had dinner. I've gone to high holiday services with

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Speaker 17: the family as well.

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Speaker 1: Can you just tell me what she is like, what

690
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: Harvey Aidolson is like, what Charlie Aidelson is like. There

691
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Speaker 1: are people, even when confronted with the evidence, and it's

692
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Speaker 1: pretty strong evidence, including fifty six thousand dollars in cash

693
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: put in the go between account, Charlie Adelson's girlfriend who

694
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Speaker 1: hired her, who arranged for her common law husband and

695
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: his friend to do the hit. Her account gets all

696
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: this money poured into it, the hit men get money,

697
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: and Charlie al said, Hey, Dave Erenberg and Joel Walman,

698
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: jump in if I've gotten this wrong.

699
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of meticulous facts in this case.

700
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Speaker 1: But Charlie Adelson had a habit he whenever dealing with cash,

701
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: would staple the money together. I've never seen that in

702
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: my life and they would get cash stapled together.

703
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: Is that right, Dave Ehrenberg.

704
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 7: That is correct. It's like a fingerprint.

705
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Speaker 2: You know.

706
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 7: That was a unique thing that only Charlie did. And

707
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 7: for the defense lawyers, they had a problem. How do

708
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Speaker 7: you explain that the killers had in their possession of

709
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 7: these stapled stacks of bills? How do you explain it? Well, Charlie,

710
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Speaker 7: I think they built his defense around that where he

711
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 7: tried to explain it by saying that he was the

712
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Speaker 7: victim of an extortion plot and that's why he had

713
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Speaker 7: to pay the killers or else they would kill him

714
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Speaker 7: and his family. Of course that didn't make any sense.

715
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Speaker 2: Well, then how come he's still alive?

716
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 7: Well, and that's and also don't how extortion works where

717
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 7: the killers go and first murder your enemy, and then

718
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 7: they come back and they say, okay, we've killed your enemy.

719
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Speaker 7: Now we're going to kill you and your family unless

720
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Speaker 7: you pay up. Why not just skip ahead to just

721
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 7: say pay us or we're going to kill you in

722
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Speaker 7: your family. So none of this made any sense.

723
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Speaker 1: He hated Dan Markel, correct, Charlie Aielson hated Dan Markel.

724
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: So that's theory is completely beast awkwards.

725
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 7: Exactly. It made no sense, and the jurors didn't buy

726
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Speaker 7: it either.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, dimco back to you. I was asking.

728
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Speaker 1: You what were the Adelson's like, specifically Donna.

729
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Speaker 17: Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was

730
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Speaker 17: great to have to chat conversations with, and she was

731
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Speaker 17: very proud of her children, very much involved with the

732
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Speaker 17: grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they

733
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Speaker 17: seem like a normal family. If you were to go

734
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Speaker 17: to their home in Coral Springs, there are pictures up

735
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Speaker 17: on the wall of the kids. She spent a lot

736
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Speaker 17: of time supporting Wendy. There was nothing abnormal on the surface.

737
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Speaker 17: I would say that Harvey. Harvey always came across, is

738
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 17: a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly. And Charlie

739
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 17: was very lively. He was always on the go and

740
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 17: enjoyed partying quite a bit.

741
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Speaker 1: Dave Ehrenberg joining US Palm Beach County state attorney and

742
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: friend of Danny Marcel.

743
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: He has been reading Charlie.

744
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson has been referred to as thinking he was

745
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.

746
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

747
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 7: Well, I'm from South Florida and as Joel and Tamrek

748
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 7: would say, that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast

749
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 7: life with his ferrari and his fast women and his

750
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 7: clubbing lifestyle and drugs. And he was well known that

751
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 7: he was involved with steroids. And here was a guy

752
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 7: who was a nerd back in high school who then

753
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 7: became this wealthy, flashy, fast living guy who thought that

754
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 7: he could get away with murder. And that's the kind

755
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 7: of person who would commit this kind of crime because

756
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 7: people say, why do you think you could get away

757
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 7: with it? Well, when you're hopped up on steroids and

758
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 7: you think that you're smarter than everyone else, Yeah, you

759
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 7: think you're above the law, and you wouldn't get caught.

760
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Speaker 7: And it took nine plus years for there to be

761
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 7: justice for Charlie.

762
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Speaker 2: And the FBI.

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Speaker 1: God bless the FBI, God bless them. Look, I was

764
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: a Fed for three years. I hate the federal government

765
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: except the irs.

766
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Speaker 2: I love you. Please don't look.

767
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Speaker 1: At me, Joel Waldman, could you please explain what I'm

768
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: talking about? As the bump, Charlie Adelson would never have

769
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: been convicted a murdering his brother in law over visitation

770
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: with Grandma and Donna. Adelson would not be in a

771
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: jail Seale up in her seventies trying to flee the

772
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: Vietnam right now, if it hadn't been for wire taps

773
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Speaker 1: and shruptitious recordings, one of the most amazing ones that

774
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Speaker 1: actually worked. Joel Waldman, and I'm gonna hear from Robert

775
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: Crispin and doctor Gorniac, renowned forensic pathologist.

776
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Speaker 2: I want to circle back.

777
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Speaker 1: To Dodtor Gorniac on what Danny Markel experienced because when

778
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: the neighbor came up, he was still rolling his head

779
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: around and moving, which in my mind means he was

780
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: suffering after he was shot. Waldman, as it's called the bump.

781
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: If Adelson's had kept their traps shut, they wouldn't be

782
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Speaker 1: in jail right now.

783
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the bump as it is called.

784
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 6: So the Bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So

785
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 6: the FEDS got involved once this case started to move

786
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 6: and they thought that the Adelsons were possibly involved. So

787
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 6: it's interesting you bring it up. I just did a

788
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 6: tour for my podcast to the location where the bump happened,

789
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 6: and it happened to take place right in front of

790
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Speaker 6: where the Adolsons were living, and it's an iconic.

791
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Speaker 2: The iconic, the icon, yeah, the icon, yes, yes, and

792
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: it's a.

793
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Speaker 6: Very lavish building. I think units started around two million dollars.

794
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the Icon condo building, the

795
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: unit started two million dollars.

796
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 6: That is correct, Nancy, Welcome to Miami. Yes, and it's

797
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 6: interesting this tour I did. I was curious to see

798
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 6: these different spots. So I also went by Charlie Adelson's tows.

799
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, did you video that I did?

800
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Speaker 6: It's on my website on the YouTube channel.

801
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: Oh so we can say I can't wait to say this, Okay,

802
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah.

803
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 6: So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect.

804
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 6: It's sort of a rundown home right off the highway.

805
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 6: And keep in mind, this is a guy who in

806
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 6: court admitted that he was making three and a half

807
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 6: million dollars a year between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen.

808
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 6: So that goes back to the James Bond question, because

809
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 6: that is not really the salary of the periodontis. But

810
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 6: we do know through these wiretaps that he was illicitly

811
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 6: dealing steroids as well. But back to the bump. So

812
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 6: this bump happened right in front of this icon building

813
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 6: in South Beach. It's a beautiful area. You can literally

814
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 6: this is what's so sad. You can literally take a

815
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 6: stone from where the bump happened and throw it and

816
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 6: hit the school that the two Markelle children attended. And

817
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 6: Donna was on her way to pick up her grandchildren.

818
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Speaker 1: You main, after they killed Danny Markel move the children

819
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: down to South Florida, right, that's where they're going to school.

820
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 6: And changed their name from Markel to Adelson. So these

821
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Speaker 6: two young boys have are gonna have a lot, a

822
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 6: lot and Nancy, I know you know this, you know firsthand,

823
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 6: a lot of grieving to deal with and a lot

824
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 6: of you know, understanding about what happened to their family

825
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 6: as they become these young teens that they are now.

826
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Speaker 1: Not only changed their last name from Markel back to Adelson,

827
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Speaker 1: the maiden name of the mom, but took away the

828
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: oldest son's middle.

829
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: Name, which had been the Hebrew name of Dan Markel's grandma.

830
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: Right, so all trace of Dan Markel has been removed

831
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Speaker 1: from their life.

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Speaker 6: It's it's difficult to process it really is. So this,

833
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 6: you know, this bump happened literally across the street from

834
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Speaker 6: the school that they were attending at the time and

835
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 6: ultimately when they got the uh, you know that video

836
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 6: and audio, there's no doubt that that is, you know,

837
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 6: a big piece of evidence that influenced jurors. And then

838
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 6: there's one other piece of audio from a restaurant, the

839
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 6: so called Dulce Beata tapes that have the little woman

840
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 6: Katie mcbanawa and Charlie Aedelson talking. So his combination of this.

841
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

842
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: Circuit Court Judge Stephen Everett says in court Adelson has

843
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: quote an utter lack of remorse for the crime. He says, quote,

844
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Speaker 1: you certainly can choose to deny your involvement and maintain innocence.

845
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Speaker 3: The court finds the evidence in this case is clear,

846
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Speaker 3: and so did the jury, and this is why.

847
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 5: Jurors heard from Adelson's oldest son, doctor Robert Adelson and

848
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 5: ear nose and throat specialist the mother and son are estranged.

849
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Speaker 5: He described his mother as controlling and said she hated

850
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 5: Dan Markel Alson seventy five did not take the witness

851
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 5: stand in her own defense. After the guilty verdict was read,

852
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 5: Adelson shouted, oh my God, breaking down in tears. The

853
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 5: judge admonished Adelson to control herself, then ordered the jury out,

854
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 5: giving Adelson a two minute break to collect herself.

855
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: This is the trial of the monster in law, the

856
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: suspect who ordered the hit, according to prosecutors, to murder

857
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: her son in law because he would not let his

858
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: children move.

859
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Speaker 2: Eight hours away to live by her.

860
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Speaker 1: Wow, I wonder why after trying to bribe him for

861
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: a million dollars, threatened to indoctrinate the boys in another religion.

862
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: A plot unfold. I haven't even gotten to all the wire.

863
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Speaker 2: Chaps. You know what. You're going to totally wig when

864
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Speaker 2: you hear this.

865
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Speaker 1: But let's take a step by step because it can

866
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Speaker 1: get complicated.

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Speaker 9: Listen, Charlie Aedelson, brother of Wendy Edelson, uses his girlfriend

868
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Speaker 9: Katherine Macmanawad to arrange a murder for hire, using the

869
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 9: father of her two children, Sigfredo Garcia and his friend

870
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 9: Louis Rivera, to kill Dan Markel. The end result that

871
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 9: Wendy Aedelson can move her two children too South Florida

872
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 9: near her family. Exactly what happened when Dan Markell was killed?

873
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 7: What happened when you got to the driveway of Dan

874
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 7: Mark Hill.

875
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Right behind him, and Garcia jumped out and show.

876
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: How many times did Garcia shoot mister Moyle? Cold blood?

877
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 19: Cold Blood Gigi McKelvey joining US investigative journalists star a

878
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 19: Pretty Lies and Alibis podcast. Gigi's been on the case

879
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 19: from the very very beginning, gg cold What I mean?

880
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 2: He just rattled off, how many times you shoot? Twice?

881
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't care about the children, He doesn't care about

882
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: Markel's family. Devastated family twice. Okay, forget about that. Let

883
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: me talk to you about the plot. Let me understand.

884
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: Wendy Adelson, the mother of the children, the one that

885
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: got the divorce. The lawyer, Wendy Adelson's brother. He decides

886
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: to intervene and he gets his girlfriend, Katherine Magbwana to.

887
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: Arrange a hit. And the hit men are the.

888
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: Father of her children, Sigfredo Garcia and his friend Louise Rivera. Okay,

889
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: there is Catherine Magbonwa and the father of her children,

890
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: Sigfreda Garcia and his buddy Luis Rivera. Okay, tell me

891
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: how that whole thing went down, Gigi. And isn't it

892
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: quite the coincidence? Isn't it odd that everybody around Wendy

893
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: Adelson is dropping like flies now. Her mother is on trial,

894
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: but she is unscathed. Neither person of interest or suspect

895
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: tell me how this whole thing went down with the

896
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: girlfriend with Charlie Adelson's girlfriend. Man, she must have been

897
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: a piece of work, because when I think of hit man,

898
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't think, hey, I'll ask my husband to get

899
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: some of his low life friends to pull off a hit.

900
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, they're not all as in priests and virgins, Gigi,

901
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: birds of a feather, you know the rest. So he

902
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: thinks his girlfriend can arrange a murder and guess.

903
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: What she does. Yeah, I mean that's essentially what happened.

904
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 12: And it was pretty soon after they started seeing each

905
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 12: other at Halloween party where they're getting in their car

906
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 12: to leave, and he just asked her, Hey, do you

907
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 12: know anybody that would hurt somebody? And she said yes

908
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 12: and left it there. And it wasn't until later on

909
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 12: when the relocation was a big issue with Donna, And

910
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 12: we're going to hear that on these wiretap calls as

911
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 12: this trial progresses. It was getting fever pitch. I don't

912
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 12: think Charlie cares where Wendy and the boys lived. He's

913
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 12: a playboy making millions of dollars every year, but it

914
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 12: was important to Donna. And as time went on and

915
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 12: Donna got more frantic and more obsessed with the location issue,

916
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 12: he finally went to her and said, we need to

917
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 12: get this done. That is when she went to her

918
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 12: baby daddy, Sigfredo Garcia, and proposed, would you like to

919
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 12: make some money to take care of somebody?

920
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 2: And he said yes.

921
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 12: After that he got his childhood friend Luis Rivera, who

922
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 12: was the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings,

923
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 12: to come along as a ride along essentially.

924
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: And that's where the plot started.

925
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: So Trulie Adelson aka the Maestro, who is Wendy Adolson?

926
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: Ah there he is?

927
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: What a fine figure of a man, vanity flat maestro?

928
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: Okay whatever? So how is he making so much money?

929
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: Hand over fishgg how much money are we talking about?

930
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: What did you do for a living?

931
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 12: He's a periodontist, so that's a dental surgeon. Harvey the

932
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 12: father was only a dentist and owned the Adelson Institute,

933
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 12: which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also

934
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 12: travel around South Florida and do day work at these

935
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 12: other dental offices, and he got paid a lot of money. Also,

936
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 12: the family preferred cash payments as opposed to credit card payments.

937
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 12: Charlie was notorious for having a safe with stacks of

938
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 12: one hundred bills in there.

939
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 2: But Charlie, yeah, he was driving around supercars.

940
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 12: He had a boat throwing money out left and right,

941
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 12: and he had a supercar.

942
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: The last thing I want is a man pulling up

943
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: an expensive car. I mean, a guy pulls up in

944
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: a Lamborghini, I'm like, bye bye.

945
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: You know what that means to me?

946
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: That means he's having a midlife crisis, or like he's

947
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: got to have a really expensive car to impress people,

948
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: because obviously his personality and intellect.

949
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: Don't cut it. So not interested.

950
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: My husband drives a beat up SUV, meat up.

951
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: Totally beat up, and he doesn't care. That's what I

952
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: like about him. So this guy, what kind of car

953
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: is a supercar? Charlie Adelson.

954
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 12: I believe he had a Lamborghini if I recall correctly.

955
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: It must have been why I said Lamborghini.

956
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I could just see him driving up and now

957
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: the strip in Miami and his Lamborghini and Maestro on

958
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: his vanity.

959
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 2: So Who's doctor Bubner?

960
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: Bob n e R Who, Dave Mac, Who's doctor Bubner?

961
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: I noticed you, Dave Mac keep talking about doctor Bubner,

962
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering why he just love to say Bubner?

963
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: Who is that?

964
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 10: Doctor Bubner is a Miami doctor who is a breast

965
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 10: augmentation specialist, and he refers to himself first as doctor Bubner,

966
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 10: and then of course his patients are so happy with

967
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 10: the results that they in turn call him doctor Bubner.

968
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: And uh, okay, great, what does he have to do

969
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: with this case?

970
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 10: He's like the missing link in the Dan Markel murder mystery,

971
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 10: if you want to call it. That the prosecutors that

972
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 10: were investigating the case, they actually were able to tie

973
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 10: in doctor Bubner between Katherin macbanawa and Charlie Adelson, and

974
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 10: that he did Katherine mcbanawa's breast augmentation surgery as part

975
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 10: of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping.

976
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: To stop Stop Stop Stop Stop place play speak no more.

977
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: Are you hearing this? Fatus I assume foutus. You've seen

978
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: the series the Moodies called the.

979
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: Apple Dumpling Gang. Okay, it'scot don Nott's and others in it. Yeah,

980
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: you need to see that. I showed it to the children.

981
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: But I think the title says it all. So the

982
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: go between Katherine MCBADOI who set up the hit for

983
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson, for his mother or the monster in law

984
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: got paid with a breast lift implants I'm so happy

985
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: right now because that's not hard to trace.

986
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 2: Right, he paid her with knee breasts A and.

987
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 11: Me right right, Nancy. But the key there is Charlie

988
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 11: paid her. Charlie paid her, not Donna. It's not Donna

989
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 11: fronting the bill for these new press. And so what

990
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 11: we're talking about is is certainly this uh you know,

991
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 11: code of folks who are conspiring with one another. And

992
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 11: then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence,

993
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 11: is just kind of a protective grandma detective.

994
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: Mother tried the million dollar bribe. O. Did you not

995
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: hear you need to turn up your hearing aids?

996
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: Did you not hear? GJ.

997
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: McKelvey just say, Charlie Adelson didn't give a flying fig

998
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: where those boys lived. He only did it because his

999
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: mother drove him insane to do it. He doesn't care.

1000
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: He didn't have a dog in that fight. No skin

1001
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: in the game. He did it because his mother would

1002
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: not leave him alone. He didn't care about the boys.

1003
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 11: But to say that that cause this murder for higher

1004
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 11: plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure the

1005
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 11: evidence has supported yet, and so, uh, you know, I

1006
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 11: just think that's a bit of a stretch the prosecutor.

1007
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 11: They've already got there pound of flesh with the four

1008
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 11: other convictions, and in defense of saying he leave this.

1009
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, you're talking about the conviction of

1010
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: the brother, the playboy, Lamborghini Brother aka Maestro, the girlfriend

1011
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: with the breastlift, Katherine may Banoi, the hit man, and

1012
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: his dang cohort. Those four have been convicted.

1013
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: None of them care about where the boys live.

1014
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: The only one that cares is Donna Adelson. Catherine mcbanoi

1015
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: testifies under oath about how Charlie Aidelson couldn't take a

1016
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: link without Mommy saying okay, you can go. So this

1017
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: was like a regular part of the way this worked.

1018
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: Whenever this conversation came up, he yes, we consult his

1019
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: mother and come back and speak to you.

1020
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 9: And Jack is an Investigators use an undercover agent to

1021
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 9: make contact with Donna Adelson The agent hands Donna Adelson

1022
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 9: a press release of Markel's murder, asks Adelson for five

1023
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 9: thousand dollars and provides a phone number. Investigators intercepted called

1024
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 9: Donna Adelson makes to Charlie asking him to meet with

1025
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 9: her about paperwork hand delivered to her outside her Charlie

1026
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 9: asks if it involves him, and Donna says probably both

1027
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 9: of us. Donna says she doesn't want to discuss this

1028
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 9: on the phone. Investigators continue to intercept calls. This time

1029
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 9: Charlie tells mom not to talk about things in the apartment.

1030
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 9: Adilson asks his mother what the letter asked for. Donna

1031
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 9: says this TV is probably about five. Charlie asks if

1032
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 9: they ask for five thousand dollars. Donna Adelson responds affirmatively.

1033
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 9: Adelson calls Katherine mcbaniwa and explains someone approached his mother

1034
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 9: regarding her son and his ex girlfriend and asking for money.

1035
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 9: Investigators record Adelson saying to mac Baniwa, my mom doesn't

1036
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 9: know these guys. He says, paying someone off is not

1037
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 9: an admission of guilt. Conversations continue between Charlie Adelson, Donna Adelson,

1038
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 9: Katherine Macbaniwa, and Sigfredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators.

1039
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, Eric Fattus's worst nightmare is a wiretap? Hey,

1040
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: or an undercover agent? Eric Fattis, did you hear that

1041
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 1: an undercover agent approaches Alsen on the street. He's got

1042
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: a press release or an article about Markel's murder and says, hey,

1043
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: you made five thousand dollars, I have info on you

1044
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: and your son.

1045
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: What does she do?

1046
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 8: John?

1047
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: Call police? She calls her son and goes, don't talk

1048
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: on the phone and makes us.

1049
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: Some crazy jargon to tell him a bribe of five thousand.

1050
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: Dollars she has just been put to her, and they.

1051
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: Go, don't when somebody says don't talk on the phone,

1052
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: you know it's something bad, or don't put it in writing,

1053
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: you don't want to leave a trail, And that's.

1054
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: What she says.

1055
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 11: Well, hey, what it could be. It sounds a little

1056
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 11: bit like entrapping. It sounds a little bit like government overreached.

1057
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 11: It sounds a little bit like Charlie Edelson was involved

1058
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 11: in some misdeeds and the government's trying to rope in

1059
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 11: somebody who did not have any direct involvement. Look, the

1060
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 11: mother may have known that Charlie Adamsonson did what he

1061
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 11: did and may have wanted to talk with him about that.

1062
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: None of that is criminal.

1063
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 11: And the fact that she says, oh, it involves both

1064
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 11: of us, well, she's the one who received the document

1065
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 11: and received the bump, which was this surreptitious encounter. And

1066
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 11: so hey, look, you know calling your son to talk

1067
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 11: about it is not crime.

1068
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: You know what when you say things like Ron Bateman,

1069
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: come on, you know.

1070
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: Let's school Eric Fattis.

1071
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: If it's possible Bateman, former sheriff, author homicide undercover.

1072
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: You name it Bateman.

1073
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: When I hear the words don't talk on the phone

1074
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: or don't talk in the apartment, why not talk in

1075
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: your apartment? If some guy I don't know literally bumps

1076
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: into me on the street and tries to extract five

1077
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: grand from me, I'm calling police.

1078
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 3: But neither one of them call police.

1079
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: In fact, they don't talk on the phone all that started.

1080
01:03:58,240 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 14: Let me talk about that for one second.

1081
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: I've been in those positions.

1082
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 14: I have been the undercover guy.

1083
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: I have been the hit.

1084
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 14: Guy for a relationship that went bad. And I was

1085
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 14: the guy on the phone during the undercover call in

1086
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 14: this case with a wife, and it is so funny.

1087
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 14: And I'm being undercovered narcotics detective for a long time

1088
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 14: and got into this role as a hit man. People

1089
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 14: always talk on the phone, they try to talk in code,

1090
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 14: and I was talking in code to this one particular lady,

1091
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 14: and it's just so funny. They are not as diabolical

1092
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 14: with their planning of a murder like people think they

1093
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 14: should be. I had Maryland's first life without parole case

1094
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 14: ever happened, and it was a contract murder involving a

1095
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 14: wife and a husband. Totally different case where I was

1096
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 14: the undercover hitman. But again, it's just so funny how

1097
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 14: just things just crumple down. And the worst thing that

1098
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 14: you can have in any kind of crime is another person.

1099
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 14: There's another person, which in this case there are several.

1100
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 14: They'll alternal to each other, which obviously in this case

1101
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 14: they have what I call in this case, and I

1102
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 14: don't know if I've coined this, if it's my own

1103
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 14: thing or not, but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb

1104
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 14: that was dropped on the husband before he went for

1105
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 14: the speaking engagement. And then these guys here, the Garcia

1106
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 14: and Rivera, I mean, come on, you think there's no

1107
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 14: ring cameras across the street or at the front of

1108
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 14: the house. I mean, come on, it's just it's so.

1109
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 5: And now now.

1110
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: It culminates from the hitmen to the breastlift as payment

1111
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: for setting up the hit, to the son, the brother

1112
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: Charlie Adelson, to the mother, Donna Adelson. Now the only

1113
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: one unscathed is Wendy Adelson, and all of this according

1114
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: to prosecutors for her, she says.

1115
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: She knew nothing of it.

1116
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: And speaking of Donna Adelson, she came this close, this

1117
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: close to getting out of the country and going to

1118
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: a non extradition jurisdiction, specifically Vinam caught at the airport.

1119
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 20: Listen, it was this idea, said, sweetheart, let's go just

1120
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 20: get away, just get away somewhere so we could have

1121
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,479
Speaker 20: sometimes to think.

1122
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 11: Okay, so your testimony is that you weren't trying to

1123
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 11: go to Vietnam because you.

1124
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be able to be extradited from there.

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01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 20: So my husband actually had said, you know, we've been

1126
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 20: to Vietnam before with friends with run vacation and it

1127
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 20: was it really was like a place of peace. And

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01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 20: so she said, if we go through a non extradition,

1129
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 20: then if the law enforcement decided that they wanted to

1130
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 20: arrest you or being whatever both.

1131
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: He said.

1132
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 20: Then he said, we won't be sitting in a foreign

1133
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 20: prison waiting months to go back. We could buy a

1134
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 20: ticket and we can go home. And my understanding was

1135
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 20: that I could go home and I could turn myself

1136
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 20: in if that's what.

1137
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: They want to do. Yeah, that's how it typically does

1138
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: not work.

1139
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: You go to a non extradition country and then when

1140
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: the cops want to.

1141
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: Arrest you, you just come home. Okay.

1142
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: That is what we call in the law flight as

1143
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: evidence of guilt.

1144
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: You leave the scene of the.

1145
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: Crime, or you leave before you can get caught. Everyone

1146
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: is wondering what else was heard on those tapped phone

1147
01:07:54,680 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: calls to gg McKelvey. We have been listening to Ellie

1148
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: on the stand now going on two days. What did

1149
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: they say?

1150
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 12: They pretty much went through a couple of calls, initially

1151
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 12: about Wendy, and I think what the prosecution was trying

1152
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 12: to do was show that Donna was complaining about relationships

1153
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 12: and jobs that Wendy had chosen and she was having

1154
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 12: Charlie do her bidding for her. You need to talk

1155
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 12: to your sister, talker out of this. You need to

1156
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 12: talk her into this, So I think the first couple

1157
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 12: of calls that's what that was for. Then we get

1158
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 12: into those bump calls that we've been talking about, where

1159
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 12: there's panic.

1160
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 2: You know, Donna's not wanting to say much.

1161
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 12: Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls. But it's

1162
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 12: what we're hearing is the absence of the question, which,

1163
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 12: ex Girlfriend, what is five thousand dollars? Why is this

1164
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 12: random guy handing me some article about Dan on the street?

1165
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: What is going on?

1166
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 12: No police called nothing at all except that phone call

1167
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 12: right after? Did Charlie? We need to have dinner? This

1168
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 12: involves the two of us. The TV was about five

1169
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 12: and they have determined over the course of these wiretaps,

1170
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 12: TV is code for murder.

1171
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 9: Jeffrey Leacash was dating Wendy Adelson around the time of

1172
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 9: den murder and says he felt like he was being

1173
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 9: framed as the possible killer. La Casa says Wendy pushed

1174
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 9: for details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July eighteenth,

1175
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 9: when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the

1176
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 9: killers rented a car similar in color and style to

1177
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 9: La cass gray Nissan Sentra and travel in the same

1178
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 9: direction as La cass as they had out of town.

1179
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 9: He also notes he had plans to travel that route

1180
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 9: the same morning in June twenty fourteen that the hitman

1181
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 9: arrived in Tallahassee during their first attempt to kill Markel.

1182
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: JJ mcchelvey joining US investigative journalist. So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend

1183
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: thought her fam including her, was trying to set him

1184
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: up to take the.

1185
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: Fall for the murder.

1186
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 12: Absolutely, and he told a story that would support that.

1187
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 12: He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request.

1188
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 12: She had just got back from a ten weeks day

1189
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 12: in Miami, and they met up and she said, look,

1190
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 12: you know, I really just want some days alone. And

1191
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 12: this is at the time that the actual murder happened.

1192
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 12: They met up one last time and as they're going

1193
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 12: to their car, she turns and asks him about his

1194
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 12: trip that was happening the next day. Hey, what would

1195
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 12: cause you not to go on your trip? Which way

1196
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 12: are you going? And he thought it was odd, and

1197
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 12: so he goes on about his day and come to

1198
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 12: find out both times the first attempt that happened in

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01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 12: June that law enforcement did not know about in fact,

1200
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 12: until Luis Rivera told them in his profer they ranted

1201
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 12: a car very similar to Jeff Lacass's. And I don't

1202
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 12: think it's much of a coincidence that on two separate

1203
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 12: trips in two separate months, when the killers are in town,

1204
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 12: that's when Jeff lacass scheduled to go out. He would

1205
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 12: have taken a route that would have went very near

1206
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 12: Dan Markel's house about the same time that the two

1207
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 12: hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting.

1208
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 12: I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because

1209
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 12: it would be easy. He disliked Dan because he adopted

1210
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 12: the Adleson way of thinking about Dan. At the time

1211
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 12: he was with Wendy. That's what you do sometimes when

1212
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 12: you're in relationships. So it could have been the perfect

1213
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,799
Speaker 12: storm for him, but thank goodness, he was able to persevere.

1214
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 12: Isn't there other than brainwashing? The boyfriend Dave Mack, I'm interested,

1215
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 12: I'm curious about a conversation according to the boyfriend, Jeffrey Lacasse.

1216
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 12: He says Wendy Adelson, the mom of the boys, Dan Markel's.

1217
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: Wife that wanted the divorce and moved the boys away.

1218
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: Wendy Adelson, according to Lacas, says, and I'm reading it verbatim,

1219
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,799
Speaker 1: can I tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother

1220
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: looked into all options possible to take care of the

1221
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: Danny Markel problem, including hiring a hitman, and it would

1222
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: cost about fifteen thousand dollars.

1223
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

1224
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: Then there was a question, is this some kind of

1225
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: joke Charlie made? And the boyfriend says, this was no joke.

1226
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 10: Jeff Lecash actually has already testified Nancy, and he broke

1227
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 10: this all out Georgia Kapelman when the prosecutors actually was

1228
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 10: able to bring this out of.

1229
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 7: Him, and she even went back to, what.

1230
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 2: Was this a joke?

1231
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 10: Kind of like how Charlie blew off the TV as

1232
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 10: a divorced president kind of thing as a joke, And

1233
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 10: he was like, no, this is not a joke, because

1234
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 10: think about it in context, Nancy, You've got Wendy Adels

1235
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 10: in volunteering that Charlie came up with a plan and

1236
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 10: it would cost you afteen grant.

1237
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,919
Speaker 7: That's beyond joking.

1238
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 10: That's not an off handed comment.

1239
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 7: That is a very firm I got to get this

1240
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 7: off my chest kind.

1241
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: Of thing, and she did, you know what, And I

1242
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: don't care how angry I get at my husband. If

1243
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: someone said, hey, I'm going to give you a TV

1244
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: as a divorce present. It's cheaper than a hitman, they

1245
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: would get a total knuckle sandwich. Okay, but according to

1246
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: what the boyfriend says, this was no joke. And let

1247
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: me remind everyone, Wendy Adelson.

1248
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: Has not been charged. She is not a.

1249
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 1: Person of interest in the murder of Dan Markel.

1250
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 2: Don't worry.

1251
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,839
Speaker 1: Donna Adelson is getting three hots at a cot behind

1252
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: bars right now, and we're all paying for it. While

1253
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:02,480
Speaker 1: she gnashes her teeth and switches her tail, planning her appeal.

1254
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 3: We wait as just as some faults.

1255
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: Fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,