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Speaker 1: Welcome inside with the Insiders alongside Judy Batista, Ian Rapaport

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Speaker 1: and Mike Karafalla who is on the field at MetLife Stadium.

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Speaker 2: And minute by minute getting zero, minute by minute, it

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Speaker 2: is getting cold.

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Speaker 3: My office is a little warm, actually technical.

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Speaker 2: At kickoff, the real field temperature is going to be

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Speaker 4: And we started in the sixties and I think we're

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Speaker 1: Mix and overcoat Mike, just as you know, I will hot.

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Speaker 1: All right, we will get to that game shortly. Here.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of the Monday Podcast, and al'o

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Speaker 1: find this show on YouTube every Monday. Here, let's get

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Speaker 1: into some of the injuries out of Sunday's games. Ian,

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you. None bigger than the one that

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Speaker 1: we saw for Aiden Hutchinson the Lions Star pass rush.

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Speaker 1: Remember of a team that is so fun, so exciting,

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Speaker 1: them right now, and the impact for Trade Mood for yeah.

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Speaker 5: Friend of the Insiders too. It's all bad. I mean

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Speaker 5: it's not all bad, but most of it is bad.

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Speaker 5: Here's the bad part. It is a fractured tibia, a

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Speaker 5: and is going to stay there, it sounds like for

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Speaker 5: when he can, which is not going to be immedia.

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Speaker 5: But Baylor is excellent as a Tier one trauma center,

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Speaker 5: and it sounds like he is getting as good a

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Speaker 3: He is obviously out.

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Speaker 5: For the season, which I think anyone, you know, we

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Speaker 5: all report injuries, but I think you know, that was

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Speaker 3: He's obviously out for the season.

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Speaker 5: My understanding is he is expected to make a full

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Speaker 5: be okay. The person on the same field is him.

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Speaker 5: Prescott had a very similar injury and not only was

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Speaker 5: Aiden Hutchinson is going to be fine. It just sucks, honestly,

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Speaker 3: Like he is awesome. He seems like a great dude.

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Speaker 5: He is so consequential to that team and you can't

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Speaker 5: go find another one. I know, it's the reality of

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Speaker 5: this sport. We all cover it and you sort of

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Speaker 3: So anyway, that's Judy.

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Speaker 1: You were there. Obviously you spent a lot of time

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, you knew immediately how serious it was,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you talk about his impact on the team,

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Speaker 1: Now, not an open fracture, not which is previously known

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Speaker 3: That he really is pretty fun to watch. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Comin people they've put around Lamar Jackson, Judy, it's really

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Speaker 6: But all right, okay, focus, focus. The Ravens are now

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Speaker 6: Lamar looks amazing, accurate he just had his I think

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Speaker 5: Lamar's just literally throwing it to who's ever open it's

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Speaker 2: One of the uh, one of the things that I

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Speaker 1: Jerry was playing this in the press Fox pre game

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Speaker 1: it's a joke, Mike.

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Speaker 4: That is the way that it should look like.

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Speaker 2: Uh, and that's what makes them certainly a dangerous team

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Speaker 1: We had a couple more rookie quarterbacks make their debuts yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully it's a blip, but that that was kind of strange.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how many games are gonna win this year,

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Speaker 3: The Patriots want to see. And they lost.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not saying the Patriots want to lose, because

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Speaker 3: Where you see flash of Drake May be, like, this

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Speaker 5: The team continues to play hard and lose, it gets

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Speaker 6: I thought that was a win for the Patriots yesterday

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Speaker 6: because I think that's a you know, that's something we

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Speaker 6: Needs skill position players. You need so much. But that's

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Speaker 2: I got the chance to spend some time around Drake

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Speaker 4: But at some point, like you got to, you gotta put.

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Speaker 2: Him out there. He's not gonna wither. He's I don't

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Speaker 4: They're in that world.

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Speaker 2: It's a different world now that they're in in college

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Speaker 4: So Ian's got his finger up. I think he wants

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Speaker 5: By the way, you guys right, other fingers up different,

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Speaker 1: He's got naming a center who started three days after signing.

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Speaker 5: He is the center who has pulled off the Raiders

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Speaker 5: I have no idea whether we're ever going to talk

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Speaker 3: But that was unbelievable. He played really well.

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Speaker 5: I had barely heard of him, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: That that all happened.

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Speaker 1: No, Mike Grifolo didn't just feel like putting on a

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Speaker 1: is there because we've got a clash for first place

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for the Jets to I think listen and

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Speaker 4: Then send it to me.

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Speaker 3: I had to buy it.

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Speaker 4: Did you expense it be able to get that back.

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Speaker 6: Screen for your microphone in your home? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Ever leaves the house.

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Speaker 3: It was poppy. Is not a heavy bath.

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Speaker 2: ask about the Bills as well, sell Ca Patio on

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Speaker 2: Columbus days.

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Speaker 4: Two Italians, Wow, two yeah, two balls, two Italians. That's

441
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Speaker 4: what we are. He can't hear you, but that's okay.

442
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Speaker 4: It's better that way. So trust me.

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Speaker 2: Let's give you your side of the Bills game or

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Speaker 2: your Bill side of the game tonight.

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Speaker 7: Well listen, obviously, this is an offensive has struggled mightily

446
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Speaker 7: over the last couple of weeks in Baltimore.

447
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Speaker 4: At Houston.

448
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Speaker 7: Really, one of the big issues is separation from the

449
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Speaker 7: wide receivers just not getting it.

450
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Speaker 4: So teams are playing a man of man.

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Speaker 7: They're pressuring Josh Allen, and twice two weeks in a

452
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Speaker 7: row now, Mike, we've seen Josh Allen lying on the

453
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Speaker 7: turf injured. The Bills have to figure out a way

454
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Speaker 7: to either scheme something up or those receivers have to

455
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Speaker 7: a better job.

456
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Speaker 4: If they had Plosha care back tonight, that'll help.

457
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Speaker 7: Obviously he's not the cure all end all, but they

458
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 7: need someone to be able to work underneath a little bit,

459
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Speaker 7: to take a little pressure.

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Speaker 4: Do we know what's gonna happen there? Do they do?

461
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Speaker 2: They tell the sideline guy for the broadcast whether these

462
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Speaker 2: guys are playing.

463
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Speaker 7: Unfortunately they don't. But I do think it's trending a

464
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Speaker 7: little better for him later. Uh, first day of the

465
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Speaker 7: week practice, he didn't do anything. Second day, he was

466
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Speaker 7: working off the side a little bit more with Sean Buchelle.

467
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Speaker 7: The uh, I'm sorry, with Mike White, the third string quarterback,

468
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Speaker 7: So maybe he's trending that way. And then obviously you've

469
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Speaker 7: had reports that James Cook looks like, you know, he's

470
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Speaker 7: looking to play.

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Speaker 4: So hopefully they have both those guys back. Yep, that'll

472
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Speaker 4: be a big one.

473
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Speaker 2: You think he's got that toe issue, but he's able

474
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Speaker 2: to work in practice on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Today's a Monday. Uh so that was a good day

476
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Speaker 4: for him. Sahaa. For more of that analysis, tune into

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Speaker 4: the Bills broadcast. You're gonna get it from the sideline.

478
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Speaker 2: One of the great guys, one of the great reporters,

479
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Speaker 2: sideline reporters in the league.

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Speaker 4: Happy Columbus Day, buddy, you two have a great night.

481
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Speaker 4: Everybody all right's we get some meat?

482
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Speaker 3: Boss? How am I gonna follow that?

483
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Speaker 1: I don't know. You put your finger up again?

484
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Speaker 3: Finger no, I said, I said, I like that. He's

485
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Speaker 3: he's got it, not like this. He's got a max.

486
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Speaker 3: I also have a Max. I like sal Uh. You

487
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Speaker 3: know what was interesting there was him.

488
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Speaker 5: Talking about how people have played the Bills receivers man

489
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Speaker 5: to man, I'm not sure the Jets are going to

490
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Speaker 5: do that.

491
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Speaker 3: It's not really it's not really their thing.

492
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Speaker 5: So but anyway, I don't really have a lot to

493
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Speaker 5: add except for I added Braileen Allen on my fantasy

494
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Speaker 5: team before this game, expecting Jets to kind of pound

495
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Speaker 5: it and the way it was described to me, and

496
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Speaker 5: we'll see what happens. But the way it was described

497
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Speaker 5: to me was the identity they have on defense they

498
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Speaker 5: would like to have on offense, and so they are

499
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Speaker 5: going to run the heck out of the ball to

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Speaker 5: establish that. And I'm like, I got to add Braylon

501
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Speaker 5: Allen just because I can't get Breese Hall, so I

502
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Speaker 5: need a sort of account for that. So well, I

503
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Speaker 5: mean obviously reported, but I'm just saying, like, we'll see

504
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Speaker 5: what what Brailon Allen, who's really showed flashes this year,

505
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 5: youngest player in the NFL, have a lot of high

506
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Speaker 5: and downing.

507
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Speaker 2: Downing is not far into the idea of running the football,

508
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Speaker 2: so that that fits with that as well, Judy.

509
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Speaker 6: Goat and also hope that the Bills have struggled to

510
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 6: stop the run, right, So this is a very fortuitous

511
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Speaker 6: time to say nothing of the wind, which is obviously

512
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Speaker 6: going to be a factor. By the way, they issued

513
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Speaker 6: wind warnings for the tailgaters to be careful with their

514
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Speaker 6: grills and don't put the tents up. That's how windy

515
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Speaker 6: it is.

516
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Speaker 4: You never see that morning.

517
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Speaker 6: I can only imagine, so I guess in my head,

518
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Speaker 6: because I've covered the Jets for so long, like what

519
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Speaker 6: happens if they lose? After all it's happened this week.

520
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Speaker 3: Because where do you right?

521
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Speaker 6: You push right? You're not benching the quarterback? Obviously you've

522
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Speaker 6: already done the other Adam bomb, Like where do you

523
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Speaker 6: go from here? If you don't look better? I don't know,

524
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Speaker 6: so they better look better.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it will see, it will be the reality.

526
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Speaker 1: But particularly because the Jets, because everything that happened this week,

527
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Speaker 1: it will feel like the season is over. If this

528
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Speaker 1: is bad tonight and Rogers throws three picks and they

529
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Speaker 1: lose the Bills, you will feel like they are done.

530
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Speaker 1: Even though they're two and four, they're still within reach

531
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Speaker 1: of making a run here. It's just you know, you're

532
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: you're anticipating, you're going to get the bounce, just like

533
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: we saw, you know, last year when Antonio Pierce took

534
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Speaker 1: over the Raiders, just like we saw the previous year

535
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Speaker 1: for all of one game.

536
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Speaker 3: Which just says it's not very nice.

537
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Speaker 1: You feel like something is new and it just is

538
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Speaker 1: a different vibe and a different personnality. I talked about

539
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Speaker 1: this on Game day morning yesterday. When it comes to

540
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: the offense, when you're at this stage in the season,

541
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Speaker 1: you're not you know, you're really not going to just

542
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Speaker 1: like scrap the whole offense. It just doesn't. It doesn't

543
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: work that way. And so they're operating within the same

544
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: terminology and the same framework at the offense, but it's

545
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Speaker 1: a different personality. It's somebody different at the front of

546
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Speaker 1: the room. One thing that defensive coaches had noticed was

547
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Speaker 1: the run in the pass didn't really look alike. So

548
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: when they don't really look alike, and Todd Downey and

549
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: his time going back to the Raiders and the Titans,

550
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Speaker 1: it was one thing they were good at was the

551
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Speaker 1: run of the past looking the same. It really mitigates

552
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Speaker 1: your play action game. And the Jets statistically are one

553
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Speaker 1: of the like the teams that runs play action the least,

554
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: especially on first and second down. So maybe you get

555
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more than that. There've been all the

556
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: viral videos of whoever that third string tight end is,

557
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: who can't block anyone, just getting, you know, falling on

558
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 1: his face repeatedly. Maybe maybe putting the third tight end

559
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: on the field is not something you're gonna do as much,

560
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: especially when that might lead to more snaps for Mike Williams.

561
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: A lot of it's can be dictated by the game mic,

562
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: as you know, and also the conditions are definitely a

563
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: part of that.

564
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Speaker 4: I think that was doubting. That's starting his pregame. Walk

565
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: behind me. If I'm not mistaken, you grab them.

566
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Speaker 2: He usually does it with Nathaniel Hackett, which I had

567
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: said a couple of days ago on The Insiders that

568
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: those who are the Hackett's not with him, so he's

569
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: made a liar out of me.

570
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Speaker 4: So big riff. I'm joking, not a big riff. Hackett's

571
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Speaker 4: done a great job.

572
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Speaker 1: It's pretty cool that Hackett. I mean, Hackett could have said,

573
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't need this crap. The Broncos are still paying me.

574
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: I'm making no money being here anymore.

575
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Speaker 5: I mean they're close friends. It's all like yeah, and

576
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 5: it's amazing.

577
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Speaker 2: Hackett still wants Aaron Rodgers to do well, right, That's

578
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: a that's a big part of what he.

579
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Speaker 4: Wants to do.

580
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Speaker 1: And Todd and he's fraight. He's close with Todd.

581
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Speaker 2: Down I do what you guys, you asked what happens, Judy,

582
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: if they lose the Jets, I'll.

583
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 4: Tell you what happens, or what might happen.

584
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: They might just pull out of the DeVante Adams thing completely, right,

585
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: because at that point you're two and four, is Whatdy

586
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: Johnson say, Well, do we really want to use future

587
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: resources for a season that is going sideways?

588
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: Here? I know he believes greatly in this season. Looks

589
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: the big part of this that I think that.

590
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: A lot of people are missing And I saw the

591
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: reaction on some of the pregame shows on Sunday.

592
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Speaker 4: Why did the Jets do this? Now?

593
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Speaker 2: Why did they do it so early? I get that

594
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 2: part of it. That is a part of it. But

595
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: for Whatdy Johnson in his mind, it wasn't a five game.

596
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 4: Basically sample that he was looking at. That's the word

597
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 4: I'm looking for. It was a four year sample.

598
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: And he felt so highly and still does about this

599
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 2: team and about this roster and where they could go,

600
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Speaker 2: that he almost wanted to err on the side of

601
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: doing it too early rather than too late to make

602
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: the move from Roberts out and Nobsala was here and

603
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: he's standing.

604
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Speaker 4: Next to me.

605
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: He would say, what kind of quarterbacks that I have

606
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Speaker 2: for the first three years, which is fair.

607
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Speaker 3: I know the answer to that question, which is fair.

608
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: Okay, But in Woody Johnson's mind, they had made mistakes,

609
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: They had had the same type of bad football that

610
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: we saw regardless of who the quarterback was, and he

611
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Speaker 2: didn't want to have that continue with the team.

612
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Speaker 4: So that's why he decided to make the move now.

613
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Speaker 1: And would he surely too. Judy knew if you go

614
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: in there and nothing has changed and they look bad tonight,

615
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: you're getting booed before you even take the field. I

616
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: don't know that it's gonna go a lot better. They

617
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: go three and out of the opening drive, they're still

618
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,239
Speaker 1: probably gonna hear it. But to the extent of just

619
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: trying to like cleanse the environment around the team, maybe

620
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that at least early in

621
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Speaker 1: the game tonight. And if you come out and you

622
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: go right down the field, that everyone's gonna feel like,

623
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: oh right, they don't feel like things are fixed, even

624
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: though they're not. And to Mike's point, you get the

625
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: three and three, you're tied for first place in the division.

626
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: You might be sitting there going you know, DeVante could

627
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: now be the missing piece to really put this whole

628
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Speaker 1: thing over.

629
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Speaker 4: The top, and maybe you're willing to offer.

630
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: A little bit more in actually trunning.

631
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Speaker 4: If Harry comes out, don't talk about it. Don't talk

632
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 4: about it. Harry is here.

633
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: You play anyway?

634
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: He said, what's up that he incided.

635
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Speaker 6: Judy, I have no way to follow this or I

636
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 6: think there was a feeling like you've got to do

637
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 6: something right like that I think is the feeling that

638
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 6: the Jets, and what he was thinking was you've got

639
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 6: to try something because this season is slipping away, even

640
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 6: though you're in it and you could be in first place.

641
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 6: You were sliding and he had to do something to

642
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 6: stop the slide. Now the question is did it stop

643
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 6: the slide? Are you going to get any kind of

644
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 6: lift out of the deal? I agree with you, like

645
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 6: I think that Devonte Adams thing is sort of hanging

646
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 6: in the balance here the way this week goes and

647
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 6: maybe next week if it extends that long, it's hard

648
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Speaker 6: for me to imagine that the Jets are not going

649
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 6: to make a play for DeVante Adams because you know

650
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Speaker 6: that Aaron wants them, and you know that you've got

651
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 6: this very very small window with Aaron Unchers so if

652
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 6: you're going to go for it, you gotta try to

653
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 6: do everything. But if they lose tonight, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're out of time. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: to everybody for watching and listening to the insiders. We're

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Speaker 1: and on YouTube Thursdays at six pm Eastern time, and

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Speaker 1: then every Monday right here YouTube at six pm Eastern time.

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Speaker 1: It's a podcast five days a week. You can't miss us.

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Speaker 4: Mikes Yeah, yeah, later. I keep going.

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Speaker 1: We're all over the place here, But alright, for Judy

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Speaker 1: I and Mike, I'll let you go. See you