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Speaker 1: Training live from Dallas Cowboys Training Camp in Hawnsnard, California.
Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: and welcome into Talking Cowboys, our second week here in Oxnard, California,
Speaker 1: and the second full week of Cowboys training camp. Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips hosting for the great Bill Jones. We'll try to
Speaker 1: press forward without our fearless leader for the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. We should have pushed that chair there with
Speaker 1: the headset sitting there. Yes, this was Bill Joe a
Speaker 1: Channel eleven shirt. Yeah right, Yeah. Bill is headed back
Speaker 1: to Dallas. Did a great job hosting our broadcast of
Speaker 1: the Blue White Scrimmage yesterday Sunday afternoon. Cowboys kind of
Speaker 1: the super Bowl of Oxnard. The biggest on field attraction.
Speaker 1: I think a little bit of tackling, a little bit
Speaker 1: of live contact stuff. And let's get into that. Let's
Speaker 1: get into that, Let's get into just the first week
Speaker 1: of camp. Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us welcome. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what it's a good thing. We had Bill there
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, that was that was like that was
Speaker 1: a marathon. It was like a juggling act and he
Speaker 1: does it so well. Yeah. Absolutely, I want to say
Speaker 1: the excuse me, I'll get this out. The MVP of
Speaker 1: this thing was my guy to my left. He did
Speaker 1: a really nice job of not only gathering really nice
Speaker 1: interviews but coming with some big information. That's what Sideline
Speaker 1: reporters were supposed to do right there, and this guy
Speaker 1: did it very well. I really appreciate the efforts of
Speaker 1: everybody on that and appreciate everybody out there that watched.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of a it's a practice until
Speaker 1: you get to the end, and then once you get
Speaker 1: to the end, now it's kind of like it's like
Speaker 1: you've had dessert after you've had the prime rib. You know,
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, okay. But yeah, as you said, Rob,
Speaker 1: a lot of really good things for a lot of
Speaker 1: young guys, some guys stepping up that you know, and
Speaker 1: I give you credit for Jordan Chun by the way,
Speaker 1: you've been kind of tapping that bell as we've been along. Eh,
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't sleep on this guy. Don't sleep
Speaker 1: on Jordan Chunn, I thought yesterday helped himself. And again
Speaker 1: in our eyes, they probably already knew. Mickey already probably knew.
Speaker 1: But Jordan Chun, I thought, did a really nice job.
Speaker 1: And it's good to see Mike White have a little
Speaker 1: success moving the team. That's line one for this coach.
Speaker 1: Moved the team, finished drives. He was able to do
Speaker 1: that yesterday. You're referring to that play it out period
Speaker 1: at the end, very end where it's it is finally
Speaker 1: kind of a scrimmage they do tackle. It was about
Speaker 1: a ten play series with Mike White running the offense,
Speaker 1: Jordan Chun, Mike Webber getting carries at the running back position,
Speaker 1: and just an opportunity for the Cowboys coaching staff to
Speaker 1: evaluate those young guys leading into the first preseason game
Speaker 1: where those guys will probably get the majority of the reps.
Speaker 1: It was almost like they forgot they were supposed to tackle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tag touched up and it's like, oh, no, I gotta
Speaker 1: put about the ground and three guys had had a
Speaker 1: shot to wrap him up. Yeah, and he acted like
Speaker 1: he was playing Minnesota Golden Gophers, is bouncing off guys
Speaker 1: and getting it. But really a nice physical run there.
Speaker 1: You know, not much at the point of attack for
Speaker 1: him to really make, but just kept his feet moving
Speaker 1: and was able to work his way out of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought we got a good look at those young
Speaker 1: running backs. Jerry Jones was when I got him after
Speaker 1: the scrimmage. He was impressed with the running backs and
Speaker 1: he wasn't trying. And I know what people are thinking, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's just saying that negotiating and he knows better. But
Speaker 1: he liked what he saw from Pollard, just how fluid
Speaker 1: he is, how he can do so many different things.
Speaker 1: You know. Obviously Chun stood out, and then the way
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris had a couple nice runs, and he went
Speaker 1: into how the coaches really like how he adapts to
Speaker 1: what they want to do in the running game. And
Speaker 1: again he wasn't sitting here. Okay, we got Alfred Morris, zeke,
Speaker 1: you better show up. That's not what he was doing.
Speaker 1: And then he mentioned Webber too, So yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: the young running backs did a nice job. The young
Speaker 1: quarterbacks continue to improve, I think as as the training
Speaker 1: camp goes around. And then the one guy Jerry couldn't
Speaker 1: wait to get to, uh was Joe Jackson hit that hit.
Speaker 1: He made Wow, who's that on? It was Weber Webber.
Speaker 1: They're gonna throw a screen, right. The screen gets set
Speaker 1: up nicely coming out the gate. Kelln. Moore's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start the scrimmage. We're not gonna run thirty
Speaker 1: seven or thirty eight off the edge. No, we're gonna
Speaker 1: sit there and throw you a screen. They get it
Speaker 1: set up and it looked like to me, Webber it
Speaker 1: was like going, I'm going we get blockers, blockers out
Speaker 1: of front, and all of a sudden, here comes this
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty five pound man on a fifteen
Speaker 1: yard run like he's like he's Xavier Woods playing in
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. It just I think when
Speaker 1: when weeb it got up he kind of adjusted his
Speaker 1: face mask as him like, okay, who just hit me?
Speaker 1: You know? But this is practice, right they did, and
Speaker 1: he just came out of nowhere. But they said, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember who told me. I think it was Jason,
Speaker 1: he said that's what we or mate was Jerry one
Speaker 1: of the two Sorry, uh he said that's what we
Speaker 1: saw on tape before the draft that he played to
Speaker 1: the whistle and the effort was always great, and he
Speaker 1: just kept never gave up on a play, I mean,
Speaker 1: because you weren't think about it where that screen was
Speaker 1: fifty s from He's on an upfield rush, yeah, Mitch Hyatt,
Speaker 1: And Mitch Hyatt does a nice job of saying, you know,
Speaker 1: don't let anybody beat you across your face. So Hyatt
Speaker 1: walls him out, and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: turns into, oh wait, there's a screen on their side,
Speaker 1: and in Hyatt kind of soaked down my job. Joe
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson's like, no, you haven't. And he starts on
Speaker 1: a sprint seriously, I mean he is covering some ground
Speaker 1: like a linebacker or safety. Yeah. And and by the
Speaker 1: time that Webber's trying to kind of cut back, boom
Speaker 1: right there, laid him out and he did. He kind
Speaker 1: of kind of had to adjust his helmet once he
Speaker 1: got up big ten football again, you know, And and
Speaker 1: and what does Garrett always say, you know, when you
Speaker 1: you can go through camp camp, camp, practice, Well, but
Speaker 1: you gotta make plays. And he made a play and
Speaker 1: somebody noticed it. And you know what, he's a guy
Speaker 1: to me that's easy to get lost in this mix
Speaker 1: right now of sixteen defensive Lineman because to my recollection,
Speaker 1: he was the one guy when the rookies first came
Speaker 1: in we didn't talk to Joe Jackson. And they've got
Speaker 1: so many young guys in that group, right, it's hard
Speaker 1: to really sit, uh siphon through all of them, right
Speaker 1: and figure out who's you know, who's ahead of who
Speaker 1: in in this you know, first through third string right now.
Speaker 1: But that's that's a guy. That's the type of thing
Speaker 1: that kind of separates yourself a little bit deep. When
Speaker 1: he puts the pads on, Yeah, boy, he looks the part.
Speaker 1: He's two eight. And Marinelli and we mentioned this before
Speaker 1: I'm talking Cowboys. Marinelli told me he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: and and at times I see the possibility of moving
Speaker 1: him there inside. That's that's that's the that should be
Speaker 1: the point right there is because when we get into
Speaker 1: these preseason games and we're trying like heck to get
Speaker 1: through it, and it's final drives and maybe somebody's trying
Speaker 1: to win the game on you, you know, you're playing defense,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be half to be a rotation of guys
Speaker 1: because the starters, as we all know, don't play. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be guys like Joe Jackson and
Speaker 1: Dorian's Armstrong and those guys trying to kill a game
Speaker 1: at the end to get off the field. And the
Speaker 1: fact that he can maybe play. We haven't seen him
Speaker 1: play the three technique or the undertackle, but like Mickey says,
Speaker 1: good nugget from him. Rod Marinelli. Rod Marinelli again thought
Speaker 1: he was shocked that he was still on the board
Speaker 1: when they got picked. That's what the first thing. Astro MARIONI, man,
Speaker 1: this Miami kid, you know, he goes, hey, goes. I
Speaker 1: am shocked that he was still on the board when
Speaker 1: we picked. So let's see if something like this can
Speaker 1: elevate him and kind of get him, you know, going
Speaker 1: in camp and some of the practices and stuff, because
Speaker 1: he's been kind of quiet. Another guy, I thought, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed this, but this is
Speaker 1: just from scouts ice stuff. I noticed Donovan Wilson playing
Speaker 1: in ten play scrimmage better. He hasn't had the safety
Speaker 1: from Texas A and M He hasn't had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to really show that he can play with range, he
Speaker 1: can cover. He you know, he just hasn't had enough
Speaker 1: of that look. So sometimes you get lost with these safeties.
Speaker 1: You're saying, we're all noticing Xavier Woods. Yeah, we're all noticing, uh,
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath or Cavon Frazier or Thompson. We're noticing those guys,
Speaker 1: but we're not you know, you're not seeing People are
Speaker 1: asking about don Wilson. But he got an opportunity. There
Speaker 1: were two or three times. I'll tell you one time,
Speaker 1: and I this is impressive on his part. Uh. They
Speaker 1: were they were in a situation where the ball is
Speaker 1: gonna go to the outside, They're gonna run chun to
Speaker 1: the outside, and all of a sudden he's having to
Speaker 1: play the point of attack because he's the down safety.
Speaker 1: So now he's taken on Mitch Hyatt at the point
Speaker 1: of attack, keeping his outside arm free in order to
Speaker 1: leverage to get Nate Hill or Hall excuse me inside
Speaker 1: so he can make the tackle. But he comes off
Speaker 1: to help in the town and then he makes a
Speaker 1: tackle on his own in space. You know, those are
Speaker 1: the kinds of things that you need to show that
Speaker 1: that kind of gives me. He's like, Oh, there's Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 1: That's what he looks like. Oh, I saw that at
Speaker 1: Texas A and m It kind of reminds you that
Speaker 1: these guys are out here trying to make this team.
Speaker 1: And like Mickey said, those are types of plays that
Speaker 1: the coaches put in their mind and say, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: he could do this in San Francisco, maybe he could
Speaker 1: do this against the Rams. Those kinds of things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did I hear you say Xavier Woods? Yeah? Everybody hear that? Ye?
Speaker 1: All right, he's a safety, right, and he's playing awfully
Speaker 1: well here. And number three, and he's not making thirteen
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Oh yes, it always goes back
Speaker 1: to that, doesn't it. I just couldn't you gotta spay? Look,
Speaker 1: and you know what, Mickey saw an opportunity to kick
Speaker 1: me while But no, but that's but that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's actually you. I everybody else, No, Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: Oh trust me, Mickey, I'm all about the players. You
Speaker 1: don't have to apologize to me. That's actually a well
Speaker 1: time point on two fronts. Because number one, he's making
Speaker 1: plays out here, right, he is. Obviously he's showing some
Speaker 1: ball hawking, center fielding type stuff outre Yes. Now he
Speaker 1: he benefit on that interception yesterday, He benefited from a
Speaker 1: great play on the ball by Cheeto, right, uh, deflecting
Speaker 1: that pass and Dak trying to fit in a tight
Speaker 1: throw down the seam to Jason to yeah, and and
Speaker 1: you know coming up with that deflection for an interception.
Speaker 1: To your point, though, so much discussion in camp about
Speaker 1: money finances, how are you gonna sign all these guys
Speaker 1: to long term deals. That's why you are judicious with
Speaker 1: who you spend money on in free agency. That's fair
Speaker 1: because you got to resign Dak Prescott, Amari Cooper and
Speaker 1: maybe at some point you resign as Ekiel Elliott. When
Speaker 1: that will be, we don't we don't know. You have
Speaker 1: to pick your positions that our priorities, and then you
Speaker 1: spend your money on those positions and you just try
Speaker 1: to survive at the other one. You got to have
Speaker 1: a learn one or well you love the player. On
Speaker 1: Webber's bounce out touchdown, I think Gary Brown almost pulled
Speaker 1: a hamstring. Oh yeah, because he went running after him
Speaker 1: and all everybody else saw what happened, and when he
Speaker 1: came coming back on the sideline, Gary Brown, everybody was
Speaker 1: giving him grief. It's like, oh, coach, did yeah, did
Speaker 1: you think you were young again? Or something because Garry
Speaker 1: he started pulled. Garry Brown is fun to watch dry
Speaker 1: practice because he sits right behind the line and when
Speaker 1: the ball would when the handoff, and especially with Zeke's
Speaker 1: and it opens up, he his hands immediately go up
Speaker 1: for touchdown. I mean you'll see him. He it's like
Speaker 1: the players even really fit, and he's got his hands
Speaker 1: on it. He knows, he knows what's gonna happen right there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, really nice job by by all those remics.
Speaker 1: Rob can can I go? Micky had a great point
Speaker 1: about and I don't know if you want to say
Speaker 1: that point or not, but since we're talking about Zekel,
Speaker 1: we can go to Zeke. Yeah. If I'm sorry, don't
Speaker 1: mean to hijack what you're doing right there. But Micky
Speaker 1: made a really really good point during the broadcast. I said, heck,
Speaker 1: two hours, we finally we got something out of this.
Speaker 1: But but the but the August sixth date that people
Speaker 1: have been kind of pushing out there and saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a Zeke's not gonna miss this date, which
Speaker 1: is tomorrow. But you you talked to some people in
Speaker 1: high places that can explain that. Yeah, And and I
Speaker 1: just had a I had a question because I think
Speaker 1: we just assume we've read it right. And I was
Speaker 1: right in there with it. I thought, okay, that's a rule.
Speaker 1: That's a rule. And I said, well, you know where
Speaker 1: we're getting close to it. Let me clarify this just
Speaker 1: to make sure we're right. And then I was told, no,
Speaker 1: you're not right. Uh that because he has Zeke has
Speaker 1: a fifth year, they picked up his fifth year option,
Speaker 1: then that rule doesn't apply. And what was they were
Speaker 1: trying to do with the CBA when they came up
Speaker 1: with this idea of four year contracts for guys for
Speaker 1: first rounders and then a fifth year option if you
Speaker 1: didn't pick up that fifth year option. They didn't want
Speaker 1: guys going into their fourth year saying, oh, I'm in
Speaker 1: a precarious situation. I'm just gonna hold outright and try
Speaker 1: to get a contract right. And so they basically said, okay,
Speaker 1: you can do that, but if you do it past
Speaker 1: August six, then you're still in your fourth year. But
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys picked up his fifth year, this doesn't
Speaker 1: apply now. And then you know, and even anyway, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get this done sure, and so it wouldn't matter
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't never be going into the final year
Speaker 1: of his contract. But it was good to hear. And
Speaker 1: all I did was asked a question. It wasn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, something trepid reporting, but sometimes you just got
Speaker 1: to ask a question. You never know what the answer
Speaker 1: is gonna got a good answer, and the answer was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this doesn't apply to Zeke because he has a fifth
Speaker 1: because they've already accepted the fifth year tender right him
Speaker 1: that now all bets are off of him about an
Speaker 1: August sixth day. It sounds like it has to be
Speaker 1: guys going into their last There you go, that's that's
Speaker 1: great right there it is. But honestly, I don't think
Speaker 1: he would have ever cared about it anyway, because not
Speaker 1: only is it two years left on the deal, there's
Speaker 1: always the option the Cowboys could franchise him in the future.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking hypothetically and just kick the can way
Speaker 1: down the road. So would he really care about in
Speaker 1: a crude season when he's looking for a new deal anyway?
Speaker 1: I mean, when have I never got it this done? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That that's that's a that's a direct quote. That is
Speaker 1: a direct quote from Jerry on was it Saturday and
Speaker 1: he said it. Yeah, you spoke to him for a
Speaker 1: long time one on one yesterday to me, they told
Speaker 1: him we had a lot of time to kill him.
Speaker 1: Did He went on the power play and he got
Speaker 1: a couple you know, I sat down with you and
Speaker 1: Bill MOUSI mean, we got forty five and it's left
Speaker 1: in the show practices. You know what. It reminded me.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of back. I believe it was two
Speaker 1: thousand and two. The Cowboys did a scrimmage with the Texans. Yea,
Speaker 1: and we did it at Old robertson stage. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a night game. It was a night game. And
Speaker 1: we finished the scrimmage, they cut something out and the broadcast,
Speaker 1: if I remember correct, when we were supposed to go
Speaker 1: to ten and the scrimmage finished at about nine ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we forre fifty minutes to kill. It was short and
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go down on the sideline after we
Speaker 1: finished the broadcast or the scrimmage part of it and
Speaker 1: do interviews. And they told me we got fifty minutes
Speaker 1: to kill. See if you can get Jerry. So I
Speaker 1: get Jerry and I told him we have fifty minutes
Speaker 1: killed here. I said, can you can you just stay
Speaker 1: with me as long as you can? You know? Oh? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I basically had my hand around his waist almost,
Speaker 1: and I said, when I let go, that means you
Speaker 1: can go, but you got to stay with me. And
Speaker 1: God bless him. He talked and talked, and then he
Speaker 1: brought in Bob McNair, oh, the owner of the Texans, right,
Speaker 1: and we killed some time now, so this reminding when
Speaker 1: they told me we had all this time, I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna milk it. And then out of the corner
Speaker 1: of my eye I could I could see people start
Speaker 1: getting close, and I said, oh, yeah, they're interested in
Speaker 1: my interview. And then I realized they were waiting to
Speaker 1: talk to and I got done and somebody said, could
Speaker 1: you have asked him another question? I said, hey, wait
Speaker 1: your turn. Yeah. Well, peeling back the curtain, I had
Speaker 1: Christmas Shard sitt in my chair for a few minutes
Speaker 1: to take over. Yeah, after you got right in a point,
Speaker 1: I ever got done. Kill me tell you this though,
Speaker 1: I was over where this is what really peeling back
Speaker 1: to curtain. Our blue marker on the boards out, I
Speaker 1: went and got a new one, ran into Christopher Shard.
Speaker 1: He says, hey, he goes, I'm sorry. I had to
Speaker 1: go on you there and said he apologized to us.
Speaker 1: Chris apologized to us, and he sat there the whole
Speaker 1: time and watched the interview. He sat there, watched the
Speaker 1: whole thing, head hearing much the whole thing, and he
Speaker 1: finally looked at this, he goes, I gotta go watch.
Speaker 1: He turned to me and looked, pointed at his watched
Speaker 1: that I gotta get out of here. So sorry, but
Speaker 1: he today to apologize. He said, Hey, can we do
Speaker 1: it another time? Though? Can we do it? I say, coach,
Speaker 1: anytime we talk, We'll love to talk. We should have
Speaker 1: got him today. Yeah, yeah, but I'll have to sacee
Speaker 1: up to him. Sorry, I talked to you out of
Speaker 1: your interview. He was interested, he was listening to you.
Speaker 1: He was just like everyone else. Anytime the Cowboys owner
Speaker 1: speaks one on one, let him go R. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Let's let's take a break early and when we come back,
Speaker 1: maybe touch a little bit more on Jerry's meeting with
Speaker 1: you and with media, Zeke contracts, all that stuff. Let's
Speaker 1: just get that out of the way and we can
Speaker 1: circle back to some things we liked in practice and
Speaker 1: in the first week of training camp, just kind of
Speaker 1: take a larger view of things when we come back
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Speaker 1: it out. Brian, are you checking in on periscope for
Speaker 1: I am checking on periscope? Yeah, yeah, And it's just
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. It's a question here, and
Speaker 1: so I mean, I didn't do my best to get
Speaker 1: it answered the right way. But it's Mickey's already said
Speaker 1: he doesn't think he thinks that the Zeke thing will
Speaker 1: take care of itself. But just they want to know, Mike.
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, mister Kay wants to know in
Speaker 1: a doomsday scenario as it stands currently, who would get
Speaker 1: the bulk of the carries in week one? Again, he's
Speaker 1: saying a doomsday a situation. He's not there for week one,
Speaker 1: He's not the in week one. Is there any thoughts
Speaker 1: on do you think that they would go with what
Speaker 1: they know? I mean, we've started to see, even even
Speaker 1: with some of the team period yesterday, we started to
Speaker 1: see Pollard get carries ahead of Jackson. Jackson was first
Speaker 1: team yesterday, followed by Pollard and Alfred third time, right, right,
Speaker 1: But do you think the coaches would go back to
Speaker 1: what they know with like an Alfred Morris that they okay,
Speaker 1: because we've we've accused them of that before. I had
Speaker 1: at least I think it might come down to more
Speaker 1: than just running the football. How comfortable? Because I don't
Speaker 1: know if we talk enough about Zeke as a pass
Speaker 1: protector and knowing what to do on the blitz and
Speaker 1: things like that, would they be comfortable enough with Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard after a month to do all of those things
Speaker 1: or would you have to go with the vet just
Speaker 1: for some of the other assignments besides running the football.
Speaker 1: If you know coaches, they if they air, they air
Speaker 1: on the side of who do I trust? And you
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything from any of these other running backs.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's Alfred Morris with Pollard kind of
Speaker 1: being spoon fed. Okay, let's put him in this situation.
Speaker 1: Let's put him in that situation. Let's not over expose
Speaker 1: him for his inexperience, but he can help us. So
Speaker 1: I think they go with Alfred Morris. You know, Darius
Speaker 1: Jackson will see where this thing goes, because I don't
Speaker 1: know that they would keep four running backs and whoever
Speaker 1: is the third running back since Morris doesn't play special teams,
Speaker 1: that third guy's gonna have to play special teams, meaning
Speaker 1: go downfield and make tackles and the only and if
Speaker 1: you notice how they're using Pollard right, you know he's
Speaker 1: he's he's in on the special teams, on the punt team,
Speaker 1: on the uh, the punt coverage team. Stephen Jones said
Speaker 1: the other day, we gotta be mindful of not overworking him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we can so many spots and returns. He could
Speaker 1: do returns on the kickoff. I'm not sure he's a
Speaker 1: punt return guy, but he gets kickoff, and then you know,
Speaker 1: Jordan Chun's you know, as Brian said at the top
Speaker 1: of the show, you know he's showing up and he
Speaker 1: will play special teams. He can do different things. Uh So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that field's gonna get narrowed down. It will be interesting.
Speaker 1: But I still think it's Morris if if Zeke's not here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just gonna ask you here. Another question was and
Speaker 1: we I think we've talked about this, but I'll try
Speaker 1: and get this question answered anyway, all three quarterbacks make
Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. I think it's possible. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't rule it out, but we're talking about so many
Speaker 1: other positions in terms of how many do you keep
Speaker 1: it running back, tight end, wide receiver, do you keep
Speaker 1: six wide receiver, defensive line, defensive linemen, offensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's such a deep roster that you kind of just
Speaker 1: have this feeling that Cooper Rush or Mike White, one
Speaker 1: of the two really need to emerge here. But you know,
Speaker 1: if Cooper Rush is they're comfortable with him as the
Speaker 1: number two, and they feel like maybe they don't want
Speaker 1: to they can't try to risk a Mike White through
Speaker 1: waivers or something like that. Maybe you try to keep
Speaker 1: all three and you keep developing both of them. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the camp that. Yeah, the guy that I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like is the fifty third guy, and
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna he was gonna make the team anyway,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that maybe he's not gonna help
Speaker 1: you this year. Is Connor mcgoverned. I'm kind of getting that.
Speaker 1: I'm getting that vibe about Connor mcgoverned as being a
Speaker 1: guy that was always going to be inactive. You know,
Speaker 1: this would been a perfect time for a guy like
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern to shine. You know, you're limited guard. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: he could play a little center two. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: you could kind of do some things. I just think
Speaker 1: it was with him getting hurt in the OTA's boy,
Speaker 1: it's just she's killed any kind of momentum that you
Speaker 1: maybe had for him, because he could take every single
Speaker 1: rep out here. Yeah, and you could learn a lot
Speaker 1: about him going up against a human log and and
Speaker 1: trying to handle those inside guys here. And by the way,
Speaker 1: it's a pectoral strain for the third round pick. Is
Speaker 1: there a set timetable for him. No, I have not
Speaker 1: heard a timetable. And you know what, more and more
Speaker 1: of this prolongs. Uh, maybe they put him on ir Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they don't think you know, if he's no more
Speaker 1: than fifty's then what do you get nine is it
Speaker 1: nine weeks before you're eligible to off? Right, So because
Speaker 1: they did that with one of the young guys. Was
Speaker 1: it was it Chris Covington last year or who was
Speaker 1: it they put on and then they brought him back,
Speaker 1: it was one of the young guys, well, the linebackers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so maybe they do that with him to protect
Speaker 1: his rights but not have him lose the entire rookie season. See,
Speaker 1: that's to me, I just wish he could participated. I
Speaker 1: felt like that he could have really kind of out
Speaker 1: there right now. They would questionably be out there right
Speaker 1: now playing and then you know, and then he would
Speaker 1: be getting good work with the ones probably you know
Speaker 1: that opportunity. It's a shame that that's gone by the
Speaker 1: wayside right now. That's that's a good point. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Zack Martin being out right now, that could have been
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern kind of mixing in a little bit right,
Speaker 1: just right, while while Zack's out. But now it's Sue Philo. See,
Speaker 1: I had Sue Philo as one of those bubble veteran
Speaker 1: cut guys, you know. I mean there's there's probably know
Speaker 1: everybody's asking about Austin and a Loca and those veteran
Speaker 1: guys that you might think, you know what, they got
Speaker 1: too many young players. They've got too many young players
Speaker 1: to keep a veteran guy, even at good money, even
Speaker 1: at good money. But now it's like, well you sue
Speaker 1: a Philo. He lined up and played for you a
Speaker 1: lot of snaps last year, and now you're gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: could you use Joe Looony? I mean we've started to
Speaker 1: finally see Joe Looney played guard. He didn't play guard
Speaker 1: all last year. I mean, he was a center for you.
Speaker 1: So Redman, those guys, I just it would not used
Speaker 1: to be seeing. It was nice to see if if
Speaker 1: McGovern could have been a better Redman, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean a better you know, okay, even though he's a
Speaker 1: rookie that he's still like, oh well he's playing better.
Speaker 1: You know, pass blockings good, the run blockings good. Hey,
Speaker 1: Redman gives you what he can. But this is a
Speaker 1: kid that they had a second round right on. Absolutely honestly,
Speaker 1: they really like no, no, no, sorry, I got you
Speaker 1: got me, I got me drawn off side to people
Speaker 1: are on the on periscopeer asking about what you've seen
Speaker 1: from Lyle Collins. You know, I mean, I know we
Speaker 1: all have me me. I'm not should say you guys,
Speaker 1: but me kind of feel like that this is Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins last year because of having to sign everybody kind
Speaker 1: of a thing. I'm just putting it out there. But
Speaker 1: is there anything you noticed about Lyle collins game that
Speaker 1: has been different? Going in now his third year as
Speaker 1: a starter, right, he looks to me more comfortable at
Speaker 1: right tackle than I've seen him. I thought I thought
Speaker 1: he was moving better with his feet, he wasn't over
Speaker 1: dending himself because he would get beat sometimes with the
Speaker 1: guy spinning inside he get off balance. And so maybe
Speaker 1: because I haven't noticed him messing up right that maybe
Speaker 1: he's playing better. He looks more comfortable. I don't know. Maybe,
Speaker 1: And even with zach Out, I think he's held his
Speaker 1: own on the outside without Martin next to him, Sue
Speaker 1: a Field has kind of taken that spot. And then
Speaker 1: when they go to you know, when they have to
Speaker 1: go to the second team. Brian mentioned it. Redmond has
Speaker 1: been playing guard and then when they went to third
Speaker 1: Looney came back in and flight some guards. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: so they you know, it never fails, you know, you
Speaker 1: cut a guy, guy gets hurt and then you get
Speaker 1: an injury, right and now it's like, ah, we need
Speaker 1: a guard. So but Redmond shown him. Maybe he can
Speaker 1: be that swing guy. Looney can be the swing guy
Speaker 1: because I don't think they have another true guard on
Speaker 1: this team. You know, it's funny, I'm forgetting. So they
Speaker 1: tried to they tried to claim a guy the other
Speaker 1: day off waivers were awarded the claim and the guy said, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm done. I don't want to play anymore. So, I
Speaker 1: mean that just shows you what kind of luck they've
Speaker 1: had at that position, you know. And maybe I don't
Speaker 1: think they have an extra spot, don't they? They aren't
Speaker 1: they eighty nine right now? They haven't. They haven't filled
Speaker 1: it yet. You know, they haven't filled Larry Allen spot
Speaker 1: right right. Stephen Jones said, like you said, Mick, they're
Speaker 1: looking for helping at guard cornerback with corners. Another spot
Speaker 1: right cornerback was another area because Chris Westry hasn't been practicing,
Speaker 1: and I forgot Wickman got hurt. Wiman, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: was told he's probably out a month. Yeah, so he
Speaker 1: see he was terrible. See Wickman was it terrible because
Speaker 1: he was his situation was you could play him in
Speaker 1: the preseason game and he's gonna be okay. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing I said on the broadcast yesterday.
Speaker 1: And I just just my experience. I want the best
Speaker 1: offensive line I could have. If it's veteran guys, I
Speaker 1: need them in the game because I'm trying to evaluate quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to evaluate runners, I'm trying to evaluate receivers.
Speaker 1: I don't need a bunch of three and outs during
Speaker 1: a game. I just don't need because of your offense,
Speaker 1: because your offensive line can't protect. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the quarterbacks in a lot of second and
Speaker 1: twelves and then he's in a third and you know,
Speaker 1: a third and twelve. I don't need that. I need
Speaker 1: the offense to move so that that these quarterbacks can
Speaker 1: get some confidence and then they could also evaluate everybody
Speaker 1: else involved. And it's going to be really important speaking
Speaker 1: of that when they go to that second line. So
Speaker 1: you got fleming at left tackle right the right tackles problematic.
Speaker 1: See that's and that's the question on periscope. Who is
Speaker 1: the backup right tackle, you know, I mean right now
Speaker 1: it would be because see they've moved Brandon Knight, they've
Speaker 1: moved him to guard. Yeah, so then, but it's Hia
Speaker 1: Campos can't and see Campos. To me, as much as
Speaker 1: they've they've kept Campos around, offensive linemen tend to be
Speaker 1: guys that until they learned how to whole trip and
Speaker 1: clip or just kind of just trying to feel their
Speaker 1: way through campus. To me, I don't see from one
Speaker 1: year of training camp to this year any more strength,
Speaker 1: any more power, anymore real quality technique. I see a
Speaker 1: guy that's athletic, but I don't see somebody that could
Speaker 1: really sit down and kind of wall people off or
Speaker 1: get up on the second level and get a block.
Speaker 1: And I just I've had a real problem with him
Speaker 1: and watching him in the one on ones. He struggled
Speaker 1: with with speed rushers around these feet. Yeah yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know what Hyatt struggled with it too. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a and there's a reason why Hyatt didn't get drafted, right,
Speaker 1: they started four years of Clemson. Sometimes he has trouble
Speaker 1: with that speed to the outside too, So yeah, they
Speaker 1: don't really have anybody to challenge at the point Fleming
Speaker 1: for that backup tackle job. Yeah, and I and to me,
Speaker 1: Fleming could very well be a liability. I mean that's
Speaker 1: where I think you have to be a little bit careful,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean you want to just throw this
Speaker 1: and say, oh, this guy, he's gonna be automatically. I
Speaker 1: would like to see him challenge. Yeah. His his thing
Speaker 1: is he signed a two year extension or the the
Speaker 1: extra year. I mean the game a year and then
Speaker 1: he got an extra year, and you're kind of going, okay,
Speaker 1: it must be the confidence that he played well in
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia game, and I think he played against New
Speaker 1: Orleans and stuff and was okay. But I think there's
Speaker 1: more liability there than I think promise. That's just my evaluation.
Speaker 1: He knows how to hold, does not hold because his
Speaker 1: body gets into some bad positions. Yeahs to answer your
Speaker 1: question about Lyle Collins, he's looked solid to me. I
Speaker 1: think if the guy though, if you're comparing him to
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith, though, it's tough because Tyrn to me is
Speaker 1: one of the top five guys I've watched in camp
Speaker 1: so far. I think he's been out Him and Elite
Speaker 1: Collins to me have been now they've been outstanding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Tyran lets nothing get past him, and Lee
Speaker 1: has been dominant ahead and throw Xavier Woods in there
Speaker 1: for all the plays that he's made. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's guys. You kind of would think, you know, MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins and Stephen Jones even brought it up. He said, Hey,
Speaker 1: Lee Collins knows it's a contract year. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: understands that, and but I think with MALIEK. Collins, it's
Speaker 1: not about a contract here, it's about being healthy, right. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know when MALIEK. Collins is healthy, Maleek Collins is
Speaker 1: a dangerous player inside for people to have to deal with.
Speaker 1: He had that he had that I'm trying to see.
Speaker 1: I was kind of on the falling along. Uh he
Speaker 1: had that play? Was it? On the during goal line?
Speaker 1: He busted through and dropped him for like a five yards.
Speaker 1: His speed is amazing and you're right when he's got
Speaker 1: two good feet, he's incredible. Yeah, I was gonna ask,
Speaker 1: I was gonna go down the line because we started
Speaker 1: this track on the old line. I was gonna go
Speaker 1: down the line. Talk about Connor Williams. There was a
Speaker 1: play in one on ones where Connor Williams had has
Speaker 1: improved his strength. He is a bigger, stronger man than
Speaker 1: he was a year ago. Mallie Collins pancaked him, flattened
Speaker 1: him in a one on one. He missed his hands.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, when he missed, when he missed with
Speaker 1: Connor Willaves missed with his hand and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it was he was body was on Malie Collins
Speaker 1: and Malee Collins took his left hand and did the
Speaker 1: old Reggie White hump move where he just kind of
Speaker 1: tossed him aside. Yea, and yeah, three twenty pound man
Speaker 1: was laying on his back after that play. You know what,
Speaker 1: he's quiet. He doesn't say much right but on the field,
Speaker 1: Oh he's a bad mama. He's mean. He's very mean
Speaker 1: when it when it comes to playing again, it's all
Speaker 1: about health with him, sure, it's all about hell. And
Speaker 1: just remember he was a heavyweight champion wrestler in high school. Okay,
Speaker 1: leverage leverage player, Yes, I didn't know that. You gotta
Speaker 1: have a mean streak to be a heavyweight champion. Let's
Speaker 1: just let's just keep going real quick on the old line.
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick, how is he looked through a few padded practices.
Speaker 1: I think it's been better. I thought he got off
Speaker 1: to us low start, and more I'm more I see
Speaker 1: of him. He seems to getting his sea legs under him.
Speaker 1: So but it I hate to say it, but it's
Speaker 1: a process for he has to go through to get
Speaker 1: back used to playing football. And he's not doing the
Speaker 1: one on ones right now, and he's great and he's
Speaker 1: grateful for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know that's
Speaker 1: pretty funny. This is this is one of those things
Speaker 1: where you know, if you want to really knee jerk,
Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're you're thinking that he's coming back.
Speaker 1: He's slowly working his way back and and and and
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's still gonna be a long way.
Speaker 1: I just hope that he regains and maybe he will
Speaker 1: never be at that all pro level again, because we
Speaker 1: don't know how debilitating this is. But at least he's
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some signs where he's okay, I'm seeing
Speaker 1: some second level stuff. I'm seeing him sit down on
Speaker 1: a guy. You know, there's a couple of times where
Speaker 1: he's kind of been like he was in a revolving door,
Speaker 1: you know, when you go through a door and you
Speaker 1: and you kind of get caught and you're kind of
Speaker 1: turned and he's like, man, he's just he's always been
Speaker 1: such a good positional player. Yeah, he's always been snatched
Speaker 1: that three technique, get around, work your butt, get up
Speaker 1: the field, get to another block. I mean, he's the
Speaker 1: reason why ezekiel It has had so much success because
Speaker 1: his ability to always say to cut that defense in half,
Speaker 1: you know, give that space, that gap, that lane. And
Speaker 1: I think he's trying really really hard to rekindle those
Speaker 1: thoughts of how great a player he was. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's some times now where he's grateful for being
Speaker 1: out there, but I'm sure there's some times where he
Speaker 1: sits in the huddle he goes, damn it, three years ago,
Speaker 1: I made that block. You know, God, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I missed that block. Yeah, or I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I didn't get that guy completely out of the play.
Speaker 1: I got him out, but I didn't get him completely
Speaker 1: out of the play. And dominate, you know, when you
Speaker 1: when when Dak was asked the question about Travis and
Speaker 1: what he focused on, he said, just running that offensive line,
Speaker 1: getting the call in first, allowing us to play fast,
Speaker 1: allowing me to trust what's going on, trust the protection,
Speaker 1: so they trust what he knows up front. And he
Speaker 1: and Zach, I mean Dax Deal was allowing me to
Speaker 1: play fast because he he knows what's happening up front, right.
Speaker 1: I think that that's a that's a benefit, you know,
Speaker 1: and remember what we said coming coming coming into this
Speaker 1: training camp, and we knew he was going to be
Speaker 1: back on the first team. If he can get back
Speaker 1: to eighty percent of what he was by initially eight
Speaker 1: percent of all pro would be great. And you you
Speaker 1: don't always have to have an all pro center, but
Speaker 1: you have to have a smart one that knows what's
Speaker 1: going on the brain. The brain and the mental capacity
Speaker 1: of him, I will never change. It's I worry a
Speaker 1: little bit about that physical that we've seen from that
Speaker 1: that he is so good at block it just positioning
Speaker 1: and being in the right spot. And I just hope
Speaker 1: this this this illness hasn't robbed him of some of that.
Speaker 1: You know, there wasn't. There was one play. I think
Speaker 1: it was over here. I want to say it was
Speaker 1: in the red zone work yesterday, he got out in space,
Speaker 1: pulled out in space, helped create space for Darius Jackson
Speaker 1: on a swing pass, and I was like, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: good movement. That's good. You know, he's gotten out right
Speaker 1: and that's something he can do. That's all these linemen
Speaker 1: do really well with his feet, and I thought that
Speaker 1: was impressive watching him do that. See, he's kind of
Speaker 1: in a catch twenty two situation because you don't want
Speaker 1: to overwork him, right, but he needs he needs to work.
Speaker 1: So in these preseason games, you know, how do you balance, like, gosh,
Speaker 1: he really needs to be out there, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to overdo it Week two against the Rams. In
Speaker 1: that preseason, hopefully he'll get a two couple of series
Speaker 1: we can kind of see maybe they're guys, maybe they're
Speaker 1: good players, will play a little bit and you can
Speaker 1: kind of get a gauge, you know, right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take our final break and we come back.
Speaker 1: We'll take some more periscope questions. We'll recap some stuff
Speaker 1: from Jerry, maybe some Zeke talk, and I want to
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys. We've got about twenty minutes
Speaker 1: in the show on a Monday. Cowboys off today, they'll
Speaker 1: get back to work on Tuesday with an afternoon practice.
Speaker 1: As an afternoon practice on Tuesday. Yes, yes, it is alrighty,
Speaker 1: I think not till I think Thursday. He's the flip
Speaker 1: practice morning practice to San Francisco greet. How much time
Speaker 1: is uh consume by practice watching and press conference and
Speaker 1: after press conference and interviews after practices. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: I added up its five hours. But the weather's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll take it. Don't don't get that man started on
Speaker 1: the weather. Any uh, God, it's great out here. It's wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. And and Jerry was out there holding court
Speaker 1: for a while after practice. He was just quickly anything
Speaker 1: that jumped out as far as contracts, Zeke update on that,
Speaker 1: his thoughts on how those things. I didn't hear him
Speaker 1: talk about that. So after I finished with him, Uh,
Speaker 1: we were unhooking and I went back and he was
Speaker 1: still talking, so I kind of missed. So you asked
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, said, any update on Zeke? And he says,
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk to me, So that kind
Speaker 1: of tells you all you need to know what's going
Speaker 1: on with Zeke. But I didn't know what Jerry had
Speaker 1: to say if he said anymore, because I don't know
Speaker 1: what else he could have said. After when he got
Speaker 1: cornered one Saturday. He doesn't seem concerned about it, yeah, Zeke,
Speaker 1: or any of it. I think the feeling is publicly
Speaker 1: they're saying that you know, this stuff will eventually get done.
Speaker 1: You know. The thing that I one of the things
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me what he said after that
Speaker 1: afternoon practice. He was asked about are you mad at
Speaker 1: Zeke because you've had his back and now he seems
Speaker 1: to be dissing you. And Jerry said, you know, he goes,
Speaker 1: and I've I've learned this. He goes, don't matter what
Speaker 1: kind of relation and I'm paraphrasing what kind of relationship
Speaker 1: you have with this player? He said, at some point,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have a divergence, meaning you're gonna
Speaker 1: go opposite ways. Your interests diverge. Yeah, your interest diverge,
Speaker 1: and he goes, and what you have to do is
Speaker 1: you sit down afterwards, you reconcile. And he said, I've
Speaker 1: learned patience because He didn't have patience. I'll guarantee you
Speaker 1: that at the beginning, especially that first year when he
Speaker 1: was trying to get Emmett Smith and Alexander Wright signed
Speaker 1: and they both missed the entire training camp, his first
Speaker 1: training camp and those two guys weren't signed. He was mad,
Speaker 1: and he was mad at those agents. Oh he would
Speaker 1: just you know, spitting mad atam to the point where
Speaker 1: they were hoping that they didn't have to deal with
Speaker 1: those agents every again. Right. So, yeah, and he didn't
Speaker 1: have patience belore at all. But I think he has
Speaker 1: learned that, you know, because you know it's happened. It
Speaker 1: happened again with Emmett you know, truth be known, it
Speaker 1: happened at the end of Troy Aikman's career when they
Speaker 1: were going to release him, and Troy wanted to be
Speaker 1: released right away. They weren't going to give him that
Speaker 1: seven million dollars roster bonus heading into two thousand and one. Uh,
Speaker 1: And what Jerry wanted to do was not release him
Speaker 1: till after June one so they could spread all that
Speaker 1: remaining pro rated uh signing bonus. And he wanted to
Speaker 1: get released right away because he thought he had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go to San Diego, where Norv was the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and they ended up in the meantime before
Speaker 1: he eventually got released, they Fluteie, they hired, they signed
Speaker 1: Doug Fluty to be their backup quarterback, and he ended up,
Speaker 1: I think, starting spiking and and he was mad at Troy,
Speaker 1: and Troy was mad at him, and then eventually the
Speaker 1: business part dissipates and it's like you're my best friend. Absolutely, So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's kind of learned that he's had the opportunities to
Speaker 1: go through those types of thing. Uh. And I think
Speaker 1: he's he seems much calmer about this, Let's put it
Speaker 1: that way. He's pissed. You're right, Stephen, Stephen is Jerry, yes,
Speaker 1: twenty five years Yes, yeah, you learn, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean you learn how things. The older you get, you do.
Speaker 1: You have more patience because you're not guaranteed tomorrow, you know,
Speaker 1: so you just you have more patience with things. But
Speaker 1: Stephen has become Jerry of the And I think with Steve,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to negotiate with Stephen because I think
Speaker 1: Stephen would reach across the table and grab your throat.
Speaker 1: I think he's more stubborn. Oh he is. Jerry will
Speaker 1: finally kind of get Jerry will give you the horse
Speaker 1: trailer and a partial of land and hey, let's go
Speaker 1: have a Johnny Walker blue. Stephen will step on your
Speaker 1: throat if he can. And I mean that in a
Speaker 1: respectful way. But I think I think that that. I
Speaker 1: think that this team that's good. They need a general
Speaker 1: manager that's going to draw the line. And it's not
Speaker 1: just stuff us. I've heard that from other people out
Speaker 1: there in the business world that have had to deal
Speaker 1: with Stephen and they go, oh no, and you don't
Speaker 1: want to with him. I've seen Stephen Jones do I
Speaker 1: mean Stephen Joe as all walk up to somebody and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with me. Now you're dealing
Speaker 1: with me, so just get ready for that. And I
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, well here we go. But
Speaker 1: ok here we go, hey real quick if I could,
Speaker 1: I've got some people lining up, And again, appreciate everybody
Speaker 1: out there at Periscope. You make our life easier when
Speaker 1: we kind of need to do some questions and stuff. Uh.
Speaker 1: Raphael wants to know are they comfortable with Maher or
Speaker 1: will they go after someone else we saw him miss
Speaker 1: a thirty two yard field gold. I wrote about it
Speaker 1: in Scout's Eye today as my last point. The operation
Speaker 1: was completely successful. The snap was good, a slight spin
Speaker 1: with Chris Jones, and a bad miss to the left
Speaker 1: pull left that would have that would have lost the
Speaker 1: game for these guys yesterday on a thirty two yard miss. See,
Speaker 1: And that's that's the concern. You know, the Saturday practice
Speaker 1: he was six of six for the Yes he was, Yes,
Speaker 1: he was all the other times we've seen previously that
Speaker 1: it's five of six, and so I started adding up
Speaker 1: like four or five of sixes, right, and so it
Speaker 1: ends up being like, uh, twenty of twenty four? Is that?
Speaker 1: What is my math? Five? That five of six? So
Speaker 1: four times for that's twenty of twenty. Yeah, it's journalism anyway,
Speaker 1: it comes to eighty percent. And that's what he was
Speaker 1: last year. He was about eighty three last year, and
Speaker 1: so it's like, wow, do you want better than that?
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey spoil us you know all those previous years. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then when he when they went back on Saturday
Speaker 1: and he kicked six and he made all six. They
Speaker 1: didn't mess around with going fifty or fifty two every
Speaker 1: The majority of the kicks were from forty two to
Speaker 1: forty eight because that's where he struggled. That's that's the
Speaker 1: interesting thing about him. When he kicked from fifty plus
Speaker 1: last year, he was great about it. What you don't want,
Speaker 1: it's those money don't have, is missing thirty yard kicks? Yes,
Speaker 1: and so, But to answer to that question, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where you go. Well, there's always well,
Speaker 1: there's always a group, but there's that have kicked in
Speaker 1: the league. This red Fern, by the way, is a
Speaker 1: is a punter. I mean he's punted in the league before.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a fifty fifty and he's handling. He's
Speaker 1: handling both duties in camp. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: a little different than last year. Brett Maher was a
Speaker 1: kicker who was challenging, challenging Pan Bailey without us even realized. Yeah, so, um,
Speaker 1: but these are the days Michel and you guys, remember
Speaker 1: this is the days you miss Steve Hoffman. Yes, where
Speaker 1: Steve Hoffman could go to home depot or lows and
Speaker 1: and then he get ten guys out of there with
Speaker 1: aprons on those orange aprons and one of them would
Speaker 1: end up being an All Pro kicker, or he could
Speaker 1: fix it. He always was great. I mean, six years
Speaker 1: of working here in the Sky department never had to
Speaker 1: evaluate one kicker because Hoffman always took care of it.
Speaker 1: And that was an additional staff member, right like every
Speaker 1: team had. He's a special team coach. Now he's still
Speaker 1: a special teams coach. But yeah, it's it's crazy to
Speaker 1: think of how great he was at going out and
Speaker 1: evaluating the Billy Cundiffs and the and the and the
Speaker 1: Chris Bono's and those guys of the world. He'd go
Speaker 1: out there and find guys. It was amazing how we
Speaker 1: do that. But he also could help them with their technique.
Speaker 1: He was a kicking coach. Yeah, you know, and I
Speaker 1: agree with you. You know, Jerry would and he would
Speaker 1: tell those guys, oh no, you become a free agent.
Speaker 1: You gotta go. And then Darry would say, okay, go
Speaker 1: find me another one, right would or if he had
Speaker 1: somebody that was struggling, he could help fix it. And
Speaker 1: he was a punter. He wasn't a place kicker. But now, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, why does this happen on a thirty two
Speaker 1: yard kick that's an extra point? Yeah, that's that's just
Speaker 1: not good. That's just like a Hey again, I hate
Speaker 1: to be hypothetical, guy, but from what you've seen from
Speaker 1: the secondary, this is Micky. You're gonna hate the question,
Speaker 1: but I'll answer. I ask it anyway because we want
Speaker 1: to try and do this. If the secondary continues to
Speaker 1: play well what we've seen in the preseason or in
Speaker 1: this in the camps, do you see a possibility of
Speaker 1: them using Byron Jones as a trade piece? No, uh no,
Speaker 1: I don't see that. Okay, I don't see that. I
Speaker 1: think they they're gonna look at it like this is
Speaker 1: just another this is a cherry on top. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: just keep adding guys. Keep Yeah, you'd keep the position
Speaker 1: strong and all that best player in your secondary last
Speaker 1: year and you're trying to go win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't. I'm not going to subtract talent
Speaker 1: right now if I can. You know, now, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you have for draft picks, I mean,
Speaker 1: are you trying to Yeah? Exactly. But but but the
Speaker 1: the caveat to this was if the secondary continues to
Speaker 1: play well well. I said it on the TV show
Speaker 1: yesterday on special that that that's the most impressive part
Speaker 1: about this team for me right now is the way
Speaker 1: the secondary just flying around right Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown, Cheeto, Xavier.
Speaker 1: I think, and again I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: a guy or gal asking this question, but maybe they're
Speaker 1: thinking big picture that you can't sign Byron Jones. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say he can't. I shouldn't say can't, but he
Speaker 1: would be seems like he is the odd man out
Speaker 1: right now? Would you try and get something for him?
Speaker 1: Trade wall the stocks high if if if everyone in
Speaker 1: the secondary coming off a hip surgery, the stock is
Speaker 1: probably not as high as people think. That's fine, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's no. I'm I can give me who he didn't
Speaker 1: like this question, Bryan, give me give me one injury. No,
Speaker 1: he's not. But I understand. I understand the premise of
Speaker 1: the question because you're thinking, okay, if we can't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody wants Byron Jones playing right corner. But if you're
Speaker 1: you're getting production from your group and you know that
Speaker 1: you're not going to sign Byron Jones, who's the right
Speaker 1: corner like Anthy Brown or they've been putting Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: they've kind of want to go down that route. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you got to live in the now. I tell you what,
Speaker 1: though anthy Anthy Brown did started, he got replaced. You're
Speaker 1: not wrong about that. And then they've been switching almost
Speaker 1: every day on who's outside and who goes inside. And
Speaker 1: they'll tell you it's for versatility purposes. But again, sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta live in the now, not the future. And
Speaker 1: the future means a draft choice, and the draft choice
Speaker 1: is no sure deal. I agree. I'm trying to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl this year. I want people are people
Speaker 1: are lining up with you right now, Mickey, They're they're
Speaker 1: lining up with you right and they always should line up.
Speaker 1: By the way, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not cocky, all right.
Speaker 1: By the way, Donovan Lumbus showing up to another young
Speaker 1: corner of showing up, just the ball starting to find him,
Speaker 1: even if it's a tip. I thought he was a clapper.
Speaker 1: The guy makes play. He does make play. He does
Speaker 1: make play. And you know what, good for him because
Speaker 1: he's the hardest worker we know. I keep the star.
Speaker 1: They told everybody else, hey, you could go home, you
Speaker 1: could go home for five weeks. Poor Donovan lumba was
Speaker 1: showing up late and looking around like he was having
Speaker 1: lunch with us. That's what I was, tortillas soup at
Speaker 1: the Star. He was just saying that if he doesn't
Speaker 1: have anybody out there to practice with, he just practices
Speaker 1: his back pedal. That's all he does. And maybe it's
Speaker 1: paying off. Absolutely, And as Jason Garrett said, he's got length.
Speaker 1: His arms are long, and so he's not afraid prototype guy,
Speaker 1: just go play. All right, I'm gonna go for some
Speaker 1: soup too. Here in a minute, we got to get
Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah, it's almost lunch time on Dallas time. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Thanks for everybody for join us. We didn't get we
Speaker 1: didn't really talk DAK press tomorrow. Let's do that tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Let's do a progress report on DAK and some other guys,
Speaker 1: a little stock Quati maybe, Yeah, let's let's do that.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Caden and Will for producing. Thanks to Mick
Speaker 1: and Brian. We'll see you guys on Tuesday on Talking Cowboys,
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