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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Training live from Dallas Cowboys Training Camp in Hawnsnard, California.

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Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones,

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Speaker 1: and welcome into Talking Cowboys, our second week here in Oxnard, California,

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Speaker 1: and the second full week of Cowboys training camp. Rob

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Speaker 1: Phillips hosting for the great Bill Jones. We'll try to

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Speaker 1: press forward without our fearless leader for the next couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. We should have pushed that chair there with

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Speaker 1: the headset sitting there. Yes, this was Bill Joe a

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Speaker 1: Channel eleven shirt. Yeah right, Yeah. Bill is headed back

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Speaker 1: to Dallas. Did a great job hosting our broadcast of

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Speaker 1: the Blue White Scrimmage yesterday Sunday afternoon. Cowboys kind of

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl of Oxnard. The biggest on field attraction.

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Speaker 1: I think a little bit of tackling, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of live contact stuff. And let's get into that. Let's

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Speaker 1: get into that, Let's get into just the first week

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Speaker 1: of camp. Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us welcome. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what it's a good thing. We had Bill there

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Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, that was that was like that was

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Speaker 1: a marathon. It was like a juggling act and he

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Speaker 1: does it so well. Yeah. Absolutely, I want to say

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Speaker 1: the excuse me, I'll get this out. The MVP of

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Speaker 1: this thing was my guy to my left. He did

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Speaker 1: a really nice job of not only gathering really nice

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Speaker 1: interviews but coming with some big information. That's what Sideline

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Speaker 1: reporters were supposed to do right there, and this guy

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Speaker 1: did it very well. I really appreciate the efforts of

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Speaker 1: everybody on that and appreciate everybody out there that watched.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of a it's a practice until

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Speaker 1: you get to the end, and then once you get

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Speaker 1: to the end, now it's kind of like it's like

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Speaker 1: you've had dessert after you've had the prime rib. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of like, okay. But yeah, as you said, Rob,

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Speaker 1: a lot of really good things for a lot of

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Speaker 1: young guys, some guys stepping up that you know, and

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Speaker 1: I give you credit for Jordan Chun by the way,

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Speaker 1: you've been kind of tapping that bell as we've been along. Eh,

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Speaker 1: don't you know, don't sleep on this guy. Don't sleep

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Speaker 1: on Jordan Chunn, I thought yesterday helped himself. And again

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Speaker 1: in our eyes, they probably already knew. Mickey already probably knew.

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Speaker 1: But Jordan Chun, I thought, did a really nice job.

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Speaker 1: And it's good to see Mike White have a little

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Speaker 1: success moving the team. That's line one for this coach.

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Speaker 1: Moved the team, finished drives. He was able to do

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Speaker 1: that yesterday. You're referring to that play it out period

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Speaker 1: at the end, very end where it's it is finally

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Speaker 1: kind of a scrimmage they do tackle. It was about

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Speaker 1: a ten play series with Mike White running the offense,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Chun, Mike Webber getting carries at the running back position,

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Speaker 1: and just an opportunity for the Cowboys coaching staff to

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Speaker 1: evaluate those young guys leading into the first preseason game

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Speaker 1: where those guys will probably get the majority of the reps.

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Speaker 1: It was almost like they forgot they were supposed to tackle. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Tag touched up and it's like, oh, no, I gotta

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Speaker 1: put about the ground and three guys had had a

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Speaker 1: shot to wrap him up. Yeah, and he acted like

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Speaker 1: he was playing Minnesota Golden Gophers, is bouncing off guys

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Speaker 1: and getting it. But really a nice physical run there.

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Speaker 1: You know, not much at the point of attack for

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Speaker 1: him to really make, but just kept his feet moving

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Speaker 1: and was able to work his way out of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought we got a good look at those young

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Speaker 1: running backs. Jerry Jones was when I got him after

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Speaker 1: the scrimmage. He was impressed with the running backs and

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Speaker 1: he wasn't trying. And I know what people are thinking, Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's just saying that negotiating and he knows better. But

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Speaker 1: he liked what he saw from Pollard, just how fluid

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Speaker 1: he is, how he can do so many different things.

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Speaker 1: You know. Obviously Chun stood out, and then the way

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Speaker 1: Alfred Morris had a couple nice runs, and he went

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Speaker 1: into how the coaches really like how he adapts to

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Speaker 1: what they want to do in the running game. And

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Speaker 1: again he wasn't sitting here. Okay, we got Alfred Morris, zeke,

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Speaker 1: you better show up. That's not what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: And then he mentioned Webber too, So yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks continue to improve, I think as as the training

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Speaker 1: camp goes around. And then the one guy Jerry couldn't

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Speaker 1: wait to get to, uh was Joe Jackson hit that hit.

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Speaker 1: He made Wow, who's that on? It was Weber Webber.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna throw a screen, right. The screen gets set

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Speaker 1: You know? But this is practice, right they did, and

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Speaker 1: he just came out of nowhere. But they said, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to remember who told me. I think it was Jason,

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Speaker 1: he said that's what we or mate was Jerry one

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Speaker 1: saw on tape before the draft that he played to

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Speaker 1: the whistle and the effort was always great, and he

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Speaker 1: just kept never gave up on a play, I mean,

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Speaker 1: because you weren't think about it where that screen was

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Speaker 1: And Mitch Hyatt does a nice job of saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't let anybody beat you across your face. So Hyatt

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Speaker 1: and in Hyatt kind of soaked down my job. Joe

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Speaker 1: Joe Jackson's like, no, you haven't. And he starts on

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Speaker 1: like a linebacker or safety. Yeah. And and by the

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Speaker 1: right there, laid him out and he did. He kind

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Speaker 1: of kind of had to adjust his helmet once he

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Speaker 1: got up big ten football again, you know, And and

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Speaker 1: and what does Garrett always say, you know, when you

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Speaker 1: you can go through camp camp, camp, practice, Well, but

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Speaker 1: you gotta make plays. And he made a play and

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Speaker 1: somebody noticed it. And you know what, he's a guy

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Speaker 1: to me that's easy to get lost in this mix

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Speaker 1: right now of sixteen defensive Lineman because to my recollection,

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Speaker 1: he was the one guy when the rookies first came

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Speaker 1: in we didn't talk to Joe Jackson. And they've got

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Speaker 1: to really sit, uh siphon through all of them, right

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Speaker 1: he puts the pads on, Yeah, boy, he looks the part.

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Speaker 1: He's two eight. And Marinelli and we mentioned this before

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Speaker 1: I'm talking Cowboys. Marinelli told me he goes, you know,

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Speaker 1: and and at times I see the possibility of moving

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Speaker 1: him there inside. That's that's that's the that should be

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Speaker 1: the point right there is because when we get into

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Speaker 1: through it, and it's final drives and maybe somebody's trying

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be half to be a rotation of guys

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Speaker 1: Dorian's Armstrong and those guys trying to kill a game

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Speaker 1: fact that he can maybe play. We haven't seen him

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Speaker 1: play the three technique or the undertackle, but like Mickey says,

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Speaker 1: good nugget from him. Rod Marinelli. Rod Marinelli again thought

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Speaker 1: when they got picked. That's what the first thing. Astro MARIONI, man,

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Speaker 1: we picked. So let's see if something like this can

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Speaker 1: he's been kind of quiet. Another guy, I thought, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed this, but this is

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Speaker 1: just from scouts ice stuff. I noticed Donovan Wilson playing

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Speaker 1: in ten play scrimmage better. He hasn't had the safety

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Speaker 1: to really show that he can play with range, he

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Speaker 1: can cover. He you know, he just hasn't had enough

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Speaker 1: of that look. So sometimes you get lost with these safeties.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, we're all noticing Xavier Woods. Yeah, we're all noticing, uh,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Heath or Cavon Frazier or Thompson. We're noticing those guys,

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Speaker 1: but we're not you know, you're not seeing People are

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Speaker 1: asking about don Wilson. But he got an opportunity. There

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Speaker 1: So now he's taken on Mitch Hyatt at the point

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Speaker 1: that kind of gives me. He's like, Oh, there's Donovan Wilson.

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Speaker 1: That's what he looks like. Oh, I saw that at

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Speaker 1: Texas A and m It kind of reminds you that

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Speaker 1: And like Mickey said, those are types of plays that

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Speaker 1: the coaches put in their mind and say, Okay, maybe

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Speaker 1: he could do this in San Francisco, maybe he could

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Speaker 1: do this against the Rams. Those kinds of things. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Did I hear you say Xavier Woods? Yeah? Everybody hear that? Ye?

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Speaker 1: All right, he's a safety, right, and he's playing awfully

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Speaker 1: well here. And number three, and he's not making thirteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Oh yes, it always goes back

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Speaker 1: to that, doesn't it. I just couldn't you gotta spay? Look,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, Mickey saw an opportunity to kick

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Speaker 1: me while But no, but that's but that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's actually you. I everybody else, No, Earl Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Oh trust me, Mickey, I'm all about the players. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to apologize to me. That's actually a well

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Speaker 1: time point on two fronts. Because number one, he's making

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Speaker 1: plays out here, right, he is. Obviously he's showing some

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Speaker 1: ball hawking, center fielding type stuff outre Yes. Now he

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Speaker 1: he benefit on that interception yesterday, He benefited from a

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Speaker 1: great play on the ball by Cheeto, right, uh, deflecting

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Speaker 1: you know coming up with that deflection for an interception.

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Speaker 1: To your point, though, so much discussion in camp about

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Speaker 1: who you spend money on in free agency. That's fair

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Speaker 1: because you got to resign Dak Prescott, Amari Cooper and

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Speaker 1: protector and knowing what to do on the blitz and

425
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: things like that, would they be comfortable enough with Tony

426
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: Pollard after a month to do all of those things

427
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: or would you have to go with the vet just

428
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 1: for some of the other assignments besides running the football.

429
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 1: If you know coaches, they if they air, they air

430
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: on the side of who do I trust? And you

431
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: haven't seen anything from any of these other running backs.

432
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: So to me, it's Alfred Morris with Pollard kind of

433
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: being spoon fed. Okay, let's put him in this situation.

434
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: Let's put him in that situation. Let's not over expose

435
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: him for his inexperience, but he can help us. So

436
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: I think they go with Alfred Morris. You know, Darius

437
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: Jackson will see where this thing goes, because I don't

438
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: know that they would keep four running backs and whoever

439
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: is the third running back since Morris doesn't play special teams,

440
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: that third guy's gonna have to play special teams, meaning

441
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: go downfield and make tackles and the only and if

442
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 1: you notice how they're using Pollard right, you know he's

443
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: he's he's in on the special teams, on the punt team,

444
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: on the uh, the punt coverage team. Stephen Jones said

445
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: the other day, we gotta be mindful of not overworking him. Yeah,

446
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: because we can so many spots and returns. He could

447
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: do returns on the kickoff. I'm not sure he's a

448
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: punt return guy, but he gets kickoff, and then you know,

449
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Chun's you know, as Brian said at the top

450
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: of the show, you know he's showing up and he

451
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: will play special teams. He can do different things. Uh So, yeah,

452
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: that that field's gonna get narrowed down. It will be interesting.

453
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: But I still think it's Morris if if Zeke's not here, Yeah,

454
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: I just gonna ask you here. Another question was and

455
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: we I think we've talked about this, but I'll try

456
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: and get this question answered anyway, all three quarterbacks make

457
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. I think it's possible. I

458
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't rule it out, but we're talking about so many

459
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: other positions in terms of how many do you keep

460
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: it running back, tight end, wide receiver, do you keep

461
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: six wide receiver, defensive line, defensive linemen, offensive line. Yeah,

462
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: it's such a deep roster that you kind of just

463
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: have this feeling that Cooper Rush or Mike White, one

464
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: of the two really need to emerge here. But you know,

465
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: if Cooper Rush is they're comfortable with him as the

466
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: number two, and they feel like maybe they don't want

467
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: to they can't try to risk a Mike White through

468
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: waivers or something like that. Maybe you try to keep

469
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 1: all three and you keep developing both of them. You know,

470
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: this is the camp that. Yeah, the guy that I

471
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: kind of feel like is the fifty third guy, and

472
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna he was gonna make the team anyway,

473
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: but I feel like that maybe he's not gonna help

474
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: you this year. Is Connor mcgoverned. I'm kind of getting that.

475
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: I'm getting that vibe about Connor mcgoverned as being a

476
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: guy that was always going to be inactive. You know,

477
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: this would been a perfect time for a guy like

478
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern to shine. You know, you're limited guard. Okay, wait,

479
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: he could play a little center two. Okay, you know,

480
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: you could kind of do some things. I just think

481
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: it was with him getting hurt in the OTA's boy,

482
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: it's just she's killed any kind of momentum that you

483
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: maybe had for him, because he could take every single

484
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: rep out here. Yeah, and you could learn a lot

485
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: about him going up against a human log and and

486
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: trying to handle those inside guys here. And by the way,

487
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: it's a pectoral strain for the third round pick. Is

488
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: there a set timetable for him. No, I have not

489
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: heard a timetable. And you know what, more and more

490
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: of this prolongs. Uh, maybe they put him on ir Yeah,

491
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: if they don't think you know, if he's no more

492
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: than fifty's then what do you get nine is it

493
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: nine weeks before you're eligible to off? Right, So because

494
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: they did that with one of the young guys. Was

495
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: it was it Chris Covington last year or who was

496
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: it they put on and then they brought him back,

497
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: it was one of the young guys, well, the linebackers. Yeah, yeah,

498
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 1: And so maybe they do that with him to protect

499
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: his rights but not have him lose the entire rookie season. See,

500
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: that's to me, I just wish he could participated. I

501
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: felt like that he could have really kind of out

502
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: there right now. They would questionably be out there right

503
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: now playing and then you know, and then he would

504
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: be getting good work with the ones probably you know

505
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: that opportunity. It's a shame that that's gone by the

506
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: wayside right now. That's that's a good point. Uh, you know,

507
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: Zack Martin being out right now, that could have been

508
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern kind of mixing in a little bit right,

509
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: just right, while while Zack's out. But now it's Sue Philo. See,

510
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: I had Sue Philo as one of those bubble veteran

511
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: cut guys, you know. I mean there's there's probably know

512
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: everybody's asking about Austin and a Loca and those veteran

513
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: guys that you might think, you know what, they got

514
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: too many young players. They've got too many young players

515
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: to keep a veteran guy, even at good money, even

516
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: at good money. But now it's like, well you sue

517
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: a Philo. He lined up and played for you a

518
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: lot of snaps last year, and now you're gonna, you know,

519
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: could you use Joe Looony? I mean we've started to

520
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: finally see Joe Looney played guard. He didn't play guard

521
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: all last year. I mean, he was a center for you.

522
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: So Redman, those guys, I just it would not used

523
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: to be seeing. It was nice to see if if

524
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: McGovern could have been a better Redman, you know, I

525
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: mean a better you know, okay, even though he's a

526
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: rookie that he's still like, oh well he's playing better.

527
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: You know, pass blockings good, the run blockings good. Hey,

528
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: Redman gives you what he can. But this is a

529
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: kid that they had a second round right on. Absolutely honestly,

530
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: they really like no, no, no, sorry, I got you

531
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: got me, I got me drawn off side to people

532
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: are on the on periscopeer asking about what you've seen

533
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: from Lyle Collins. You know, I mean, I know we

534
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: all have me me. I'm not should say you guys,

535
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: but me kind of feel like that this is Lyle

536
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: Collins last year because of having to sign everybody kind

537
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: of a thing. I'm just putting it out there. But

538
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: is there anything you noticed about Lyle collins game that

539
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: has been different? Going in now his third year as

540
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: a starter, right, he looks to me more comfortable at

541
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: right tackle than I've seen him. I thought I thought

542
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: he was moving better with his feet, he wasn't over

543
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: dending himself because he would get beat sometimes with the

544
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: guy spinning inside he get off balance. And so maybe

545
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: because I haven't noticed him messing up right that maybe

546
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: he's playing better. He looks more comfortable. I don't know. Maybe,

547
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: And even with zach Out, I think he's held his

548
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: own on the outside without Martin next to him, Sue

549
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: a Field has kind of taken that spot. And then

550
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: when they go to you know, when they have to

551
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: go to the second team. Brian mentioned it. Redmond has

552
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: been playing guard and then when they went to third

553
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Looney came back in and flight some guards. Absolutely, and

554
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: so they you know, it never fails, you know, you

555
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: cut a guy, guy gets hurt and then you get

556
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: an injury, right and now it's like, ah, we need

557
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: a guard. So but Redmond shown him. Maybe he can

558
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: be that swing guy. Looney can be the swing guy

559
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: because I don't think they have another true guard on

560
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: this team. You know, it's funny, I'm forgetting. So they

561
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: tried to they tried to claim a guy the other

562
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: day off waivers were awarded the claim and the guy said, no, yeah,

563
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm done. I don't want to play anymore. So, I

564
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: mean that just shows you what kind of luck they've

565
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: had at that position, you know. And maybe I don't

566
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: think they have an extra spot, don't they? They aren't

567
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: they eighty nine right now? They haven't. They haven't filled

568
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: it yet. You know, they haven't filled Larry Allen spot

569
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: right right. Stephen Jones said, like you said, Mick, they're

570
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: looking for helping at guard cornerback with corners. Another spot

571
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: right cornerback was another area because Chris Westry hasn't been practicing,

572
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: and I forgot Wickman got hurt. Wiman, Yeah, and I

573
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: was told he's probably out a month. Yeah, so he

574
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: see he was terrible. See Wickman was it terrible because

575
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: he was his situation was you could play him in

576
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: the preseason game and he's gonna be okay. You know,

577
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing I said on the broadcast yesterday.

578
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: And I just just my experience. I want the best

579
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: offensive line I could have. If it's veteran guys, I

580
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: need them in the game because I'm trying to evaluate quarterbacks.

581
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to evaluate runners, I'm trying to evaluate receivers.

582
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't need a bunch of three and outs during

583
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: a game. I just don't need because of your offense,

584
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: because your offensive line can't protect. And then all of

585
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, the quarterbacks in a lot of second and

586
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: twelves and then he's in a third and you know,

587
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: a third and twelve. I don't need that. I need

588
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: the offense to move so that that these quarterbacks can

589
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: get some confidence and then they could also evaluate everybody

590
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: else involved. And it's going to be really important speaking

591
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: of that when they go to that second line. So

592
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: you got fleming at left tackle right the right tackles problematic.

593
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: See that's and that's the question on periscope. Who is

594
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: the backup right tackle, you know, I mean right now

595
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: it would be because see they've moved Brandon Knight, they've

596
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: moved him to guard. Yeah, so then, but it's Hia

597
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Campos can't and see Campos. To me, as much as

598
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: they've they've kept Campos around, offensive linemen tend to be

599
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: guys that until they learned how to whole trip and

600
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: clip or just kind of just trying to feel their

601
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: way through campus. To me, I don't see from one

602
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: year of training camp to this year any more strength,

603
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: any more power, anymore real quality technique. I see a

604
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: guy that's athletic, but I don't see somebody that could

605
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: really sit down and kind of wall people off or

606
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: get up on the second level and get a block.

607
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: And I just I've had a real problem with him

608
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: and watching him in the one on ones. He struggled

609
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: with with speed rushers around these feet. Yeah yeah, well

610
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: you know what Hyatt struggled with it too. Yeah, there's

611
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: a and there's a reason why Hyatt didn't get drafted, right,

612
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: they started four years of Clemson. Sometimes he has trouble

613
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: with that speed to the outside too, So yeah, they

614
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: don't really have anybody to challenge at the point Fleming

615
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: for that backup tackle job. Yeah, and I and to me,

616
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: Fleming could very well be a liability. I mean that's

617
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: where I think you have to be a little bit careful,

618
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: you know. I mean you want to just throw this

619
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: and say, oh, this guy, he's gonna be automatically. I

620
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: would like to see him challenge. Yeah. His his thing

621
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: is he signed a two year extension or the the

622
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: extra year. I mean the game a year and then

623
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: he got an extra year, and you're kind of going, okay,

624
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: it must be the confidence that he played well in

625
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia game, and I think he played against New

626
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: Orleans and stuff and was okay. But I think there's

627
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: more liability there than I think promise. That's just my evaluation.

628
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: He knows how to hold, does not hold because his

629
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: body gets into some bad positions. Yeahs to answer your

630
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: question about Lyle Collins, he's looked solid to me. I

631
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: think if the guy though, if you're comparing him to

632
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith, though, it's tough because Tyrn to me is

633
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: one of the top five guys I've watched in camp

634
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: so far. I think he's been out Him and Elite

635
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: Collins to me have been now they've been outstanding. Yeah,

636
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean Tyran lets nothing get past him, and Lee

637
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: has been dominant ahead and throw Xavier Woods in there

638
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: for all the plays that he's made. So yeah, it's

639
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: it's it's guys. You kind of would think, you know, MALIEK.

640
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: Collins and Stephen Jones even brought it up. He said, Hey,

641
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: Lee Collins knows it's a contract year. Yeah, yeah, he

642
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: understands that, and but I think with MALIEK. Collins, it's

643
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: not about a contract here, it's about being healthy, right. Sure,

644
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: you know when MALIEK. Collins is healthy, Maleek Collins is

645
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: a dangerous player inside for people to have to deal with.

646
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: He had that he had that I'm trying to see.

647
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 1: I was kind of on the falling along. Uh he

648
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: had that play? Was it? On the during goal line?

649
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: He busted through and dropped him for like a five yards.

650
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: His speed is amazing and you're right when he's got

651
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: two good feet, he's incredible. Yeah, I was gonna ask,

652
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna go down the line because we started

653
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: this track on the old line. I was gonna go

654
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: down the line. Talk about Connor Williams. There was a

655
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: play in one on ones where Connor Williams had has

656
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: improved his strength. He is a bigger, stronger man than

657
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: he was a year ago. Mallie Collins pancaked him, flattened

658
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: him in a one on one. He missed his hands.

659
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, when he missed, when he missed with

660
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Connor Willaves missed with his hand and all of a

661
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: sudden it was he was body was on Malie Collins

662
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: and Malee Collins took his left hand and did the

663
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: old Reggie White hump move where he just kind of

664
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: tossed him aside. Yea, and yeah, three twenty pound man

665
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: was laying on his back after that play. You know what,

666
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: he's quiet. He doesn't say much right but on the field,

667
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: Oh he's a bad mama. He's mean. He's very mean

668
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: when it when it comes to playing again, it's all

669
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: about health with him, sure, it's all about hell. And

670
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: just remember he was a heavyweight champion wrestler in high school. Okay,

671
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: leverage leverage player, Yes, I didn't know that. You gotta

672
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: have a mean streak to be a heavyweight champion. Let's

673
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: just let's just keep going real quick on the old line.

674
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick, how is he looked through a few padded practices.

675
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: I think it's been better. I thought he got off

676
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: to us low start, and more I'm more I see

677
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: of him. He seems to getting his sea legs under him.

678
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: So but it I hate to say it, but it's

679
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: a process for he has to go through to get

680
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: back used to playing football. And he's not doing the

681
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: one on ones right now, and he's great and he's

682
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: grateful for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know that's

683
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: pretty funny. This is this is one of those things

684
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: where you know, if you want to really knee jerk,

685
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're you're thinking that he's coming back.

686
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: He's slowly working his way back and and and and

687
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's still gonna be a long way.

688
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: I just hope that he regains and maybe he will

689
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: never be at that all pro level again, because we

690
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: don't know how debilitating this is. But at least he's

691
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some signs where he's okay, I'm seeing

692
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: some second level stuff. I'm seeing him sit down on

693
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: a guy. You know, there's a couple of times where

694
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: he's kind of been like he was in a revolving door,

695
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, when you go through a door and you

696
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: and you kind of get caught and you're kind of

697
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: turned and he's like, man, he's just he's always been

698
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: such a good positional player. Yeah, he's always been snatched

699
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: that three technique, get around, work your butt, get up

700
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: the field, get to another block. I mean, he's the

701
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: reason why ezekiel It has had so much success because

702
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: his ability to always say to cut that defense in half,

703
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, give that space, that gap, that lane. And

704
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: I think he's trying really really hard to rekindle those

705
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: thoughts of how great a player he was. And I'm

706
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: sure there's some times now where he's grateful for being

707
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: out there, but I'm sure there's some times where he

708
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: sits in the huddle he goes, damn it, three years ago,

709
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: I made that block. You know, God, I can't believe

710
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: I missed that block. Yeah, or I can't. I can't

711
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: believe I didn't get that guy completely out of the play.

712
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: I got him out, but I didn't get him completely

713
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: out of the play. And dominate, you know, when you

714
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: when when Dak was asked the question about Travis and

715
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: what he focused on, he said, just running that offensive line,

716
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: getting the call in first, allowing us to play fast,

717
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: allowing me to trust what's going on, trust the protection,

718
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: so they trust what he knows up front. And he

719
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: and Zach, I mean Dax Deal was allowing me to

720
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: play fast because he he knows what's happening up front, right.

721
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: I think that that's a that's a benefit, you know,

722
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: and remember what we said coming coming coming into this

723
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: training camp, and we knew he was going to be

724
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: back on the first team. If he can get back

725
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: to eighty percent of what he was by initially eight

726
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: percent of all pro would be great. And you you

727
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: don't always have to have an all pro center, but

728
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: you have to have a smart one that knows what's

729
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: going on the brain. The brain and the mental capacity

730
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: of him, I will never change. It's I worry a

731
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: little bit about that physical that we've seen from that

732
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: that he is so good at block it just positioning

733
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: and being in the right spot. And I just hope

734
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: this this this illness hasn't robbed him of some of that.

735
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: You know, there wasn't. There was one play. I think

736
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: it was over here. I want to say it was

737
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: in the red zone work yesterday, he got out in space,

738
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: pulled out in space, helped create space for Darius Jackson

739
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: on a swing pass, and I was like, Okay, that's

740
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: good movement. That's good. You know, he's gotten out right

741
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: and that's something he can do. That's all these linemen

742
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: do really well with his feet, and I thought that

743
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: was impressive watching him do that. See, he's kind of

744
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: in a catch twenty two situation because you don't want

745
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: to overwork him, right, but he needs he needs to work.

746
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: So in these preseason games, you know, how do you balance, like, gosh,

747
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: he really needs to be out there, but I don't

748
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: want to overdo it Week two against the Rams. In

749
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: that preseason, hopefully he'll get a two couple of series

750
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: we can kind of see maybe they're guys, maybe they're

751
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: good players, will play a little bit and you can

752
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: kind of get a gauge, you know, right there. Yeah,

753
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: all right, let's take our final break and we come back.

754
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: We'll take some more periscope questions. We'll recap some stuff

755
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: from Jerry, maybe some Zeke talk, and I want to

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys. We've got about twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: in the show on a Monday. Cowboys off today, they'll

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Speaker 1: As an afternoon practice on Tuesday. Yes, yes, it is alrighty,

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Speaker 1: practice morning practice to San Francisco greet. How much time

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Speaker 1: after press conference and interviews after practices. It's a lot.

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Speaker 1: I added up its five hours. But the weather's good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's wonderful. And and Jerry was out there holding court

826
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Speaker 1: for a while after practice. He was just quickly anything

827
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: that jumped out as far as contracts, Zeke update on that,

828
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Speaker 1: his thoughts on how those things. I didn't hear him

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Speaker 1: talk about that. So after I finished with him, Uh,

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Speaker 1: we were unhooking and I went back and he was

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00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: still talking, so I kind of missed. So you asked

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, said, any update on Zeke? And he says,

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00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk to me, So that kind

834
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: of tells you all you need to know what's going

835
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: on with Zeke. But I didn't know what Jerry had

836
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: to say if he said anymore, because I don't know

837
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Speaker 1: what else he could have said. After when he got

838
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: cornered one Saturday. He doesn't seem concerned about it, yeah, Zeke,

839
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: or any of it. I think the feeling is publicly

840
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Speaker 1: they're saying that you know, this stuff will eventually get done.

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Speaker 1: You know. The thing that I one of the things

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Speaker 1: that stuck out to me what he said after that

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Speaker 1: afternoon practice. He was asked about are you mad at

844
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Zeke because you've had his back and now he seems

845
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: to be dissing you. And Jerry said, you know, he goes,

846
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: and I've I've learned this. He goes, don't matter what

847
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of relation and I'm paraphrasing what kind of relationship

848
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: you have with this player? He said, at some point,

849
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have a divergence, meaning you're gonna

850
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: go opposite ways. Your interests diverge. Yeah, your interest diverge,

851
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: and he goes, and what you have to do is

852
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: you sit down afterwards, you reconcile. And he said, I've

853
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: learned patience because He didn't have patience. I'll guarantee you

854
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: that at the beginning, especially that first year when he

855
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: was trying to get Emmett Smith and Alexander Wright signed

856
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: and they both missed the entire training camp, his first

857
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: training camp and those two guys weren't signed. He was mad,

858
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: and he was mad at those agents. Oh he would

859
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: just you know, spitting mad atam to the point where

860
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: they were hoping that they didn't have to deal with

861
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: those agents every again. Right. So, yeah, and he didn't

862
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: have patience belore at all. But I think he has

863
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: learned that, you know, because you know it's happened. It

864
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: happened again with Emmett you know, truth be known, it

865
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: happened at the end of Troy Aikman's career when they

866
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: were going to release him, and Troy wanted to be

867
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: released right away. They weren't going to give him that

868
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: seven million dollars roster bonus heading into two thousand and one. Uh,

869
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: And what Jerry wanted to do was not release him

870
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: till after June one so they could spread all that

871
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: remaining pro rated uh signing bonus. And he wanted to

872
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: get released right away because he thought he had an

873
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: opportunity to go to San Diego, where Norv was the

874
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, and they ended up in the meantime before

875
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: he eventually got released, they Fluteie, they hired, they signed

876
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: Doug Fluty to be their backup quarterback, and he ended up,

877
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 1: I think, starting spiking and and he was mad at Troy,

878
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: and Troy was mad at him, and then eventually the

879
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: business part dissipates and it's like you're my best friend. Absolutely, So, Yeah,

880
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: he's kind of learned that he's had the opportunities to

881
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: go through those types of thing. Uh. And I think

882
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: he's he seems much calmer about this, Let's put it

883
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: that way. He's pissed. You're right, Stephen, Stephen is Jerry, yes,

884
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: twenty five years Yes, yeah, you learn, you know, I

885
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: mean you learn how things. The older you get, you do.

886
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: You have more patience because you're not guaranteed tomorrow, you know,

887
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: so you just you have more patience with things. But

888
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: Stephen has become Jerry of the And I think with Steve,

889
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to negotiate with Stephen because I think

890
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Stephen would reach across the table and grab your throat.

891
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: I think he's more stubborn. Oh he is. Jerry will

892
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: finally kind of get Jerry will give you the horse

893
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: trailer and a partial of land and hey, let's go

894
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: have a Johnny Walker blue. Stephen will step on your

895
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: throat if he can. And I mean that in a

896
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: respectful way. But I think I think that that. I

897
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: think that this team that's good. They need a general

898
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: manager that's going to draw the line. And it's not

899
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: just stuff us. I've heard that from other people out

900
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: there in the business world that have had to deal

901
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: with Stephen and they go, oh no, and you don't

902
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: want to with him. I've seen Stephen Jones do I

903
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: mean Stephen Joe as all walk up to somebody and say, hey,

904
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with me. Now you're dealing

905
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: with me, so just get ready for that. And I

906
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, well here we go. But

907
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: ok here we go, hey real quick if I could,

908
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: I've got some people lining up, And again, appreciate everybody

909
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: out there at Periscope. You make our life easier when

910
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: we kind of need to do some questions and stuff. Uh.

911
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: Raphael wants to know are they comfortable with Maher or

912
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: will they go after someone else we saw him miss

913
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: a thirty two yard field gold. I wrote about it

914
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: in Scout's Eye today as my last point. The operation

915
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: was completely successful. The snap was good, a slight spin

916
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: with Chris Jones, and a bad miss to the left

917
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: pull left that would have that would have lost the

918
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: game for these guys yesterday on a thirty two yard miss. See,

919
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: And that's that's the concern. You know, the Saturday practice

920
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: he was six of six for the Yes he was, Yes,

921
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: he was all the other times we've seen previously that

922
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: it's five of six, and so I started adding up

923
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: like four or five of sixes, right, and so it

924
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: ends up being like, uh, twenty of twenty four? Is that?

925
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: What is my math? Five? That five of six? So

926
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: four times for that's twenty of twenty. Yeah, it's journalism anyway,

927
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: it comes to eighty percent. And that's what he was

928
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: last year. He was about eighty three last year, and

929
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: so it's like, wow, do you want better than that?

930
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey spoil us you know all those previous years. Uh.

931
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: And then when he when they went back on Saturday

932
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: and he kicked six and he made all six. They

933
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: didn't mess around with going fifty or fifty two every

934
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: The majority of the kicks were from forty two to

935
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: forty eight because that's where he struggled. That's that's the

936
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: interesting thing about him. When he kicked from fifty plus

937
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: last year, he was great about it. What you don't want,

938
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: it's those money don't have, is missing thirty yard kicks? Yes,

939
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: and so, But to answer to that question, I mean,

940
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where you go. Well, there's always well,

941
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: there's always a group, but there's that have kicked in

942
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: the league. This red Fern, by the way, is a

943
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: is a punter. I mean he's punted in the league before.

944
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: He's kind of a fifty fifty and he's handling. He's

945
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: handling both duties in camp. I mean, I think that's

946
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: a little different than last year. Brett Maher was a

947
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: kicker who was challenging, challenging Pan Bailey without us even realized. Yeah, so, um,

948
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: but these are the days Michel and you guys, remember

949
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: this is the days you miss Steve Hoffman. Yes, where

950
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: Steve Hoffman could go to home depot or lows and

951
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: and then he get ten guys out of there with

952
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: aprons on those orange aprons and one of them would

953
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: end up being an All Pro kicker, or he could

954
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: fix it. He always was great. I mean, six years

955
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: of working here in the Sky department never had to

956
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: evaluate one kicker because Hoffman always took care of it.

957
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: And that was an additional staff member, right like every

958
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: team had. He's a special team coach. Now he's still

959
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: a special teams coach. But yeah, it's it's crazy to

960
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: think of how great he was at going out and

961
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: evaluating the Billy Cundiffs and the and the and the

962
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: Chris Bono's and those guys of the world. He'd go

963
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: out there and find guys. It was amazing how we

964
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: do that. But he also could help them with their technique.

965
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: He was a kicking coach. Yeah, you know, and I

966
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: agree with you. You know, Jerry would and he would

967
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: tell those guys, oh no, you become a free agent.

968
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: You gotta go. And then Darry would say, okay, go

969
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: find me another one, right would or if he had

970
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: somebody that was struggling, he could help fix it. And

971
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: he was a punter. He wasn't a place kicker. But now, yeah,

972
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: it's like, why does this happen on a thirty two

973
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: yard kick that's an extra point? Yeah, that's that's just

974
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: not good. That's just like a Hey again, I hate

975
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: to be hypothetical, guy, but from what you've seen from

976
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: the secondary, this is Micky. You're gonna hate the question,

977
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: but I'll answer. I ask it anyway because we want

978
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: to try and do this. If the secondary continues to

979
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: play well what we've seen in the preseason or in

980
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: this in the camps, do you see a possibility of

981
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: them using Byron Jones as a trade piece? No, uh no,

982
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't see that. Okay, I don't see that. I

983
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: think they they're gonna look at it like this is

984
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: just another this is a cherry on top. Okay, you know,

985
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: just keep adding guys. Keep Yeah, you'd keep the position

986
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: strong and all that best player in your secondary last

987
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: year and you're trying to go win a Super Bowl.

988
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't. I'm not going to subtract talent

989
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: right now if I can. You know, now, that's what

990
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you have for draft picks, I mean,

991
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: are you trying to Yeah? Exactly. But but but the

992
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: the caveat to this was if the secondary continues to

993
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: play well well. I said it on the TV show

994
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: yesterday on special that that that's the most impressive part

995
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: about this team for me right now is the way

996
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: the secondary just flying around right Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown, Cheeto, Xavier.

997
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: I think, and again I don't know if this is

998
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: a guy or gal asking this question, but maybe they're

999
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: thinking big picture that you can't sign Byron Jones. I

1000
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't say he can't. I shouldn't say can't, but he

1001
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: would be seems like he is the odd man out

1002
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: right now? Would you try and get something for him?

1003
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Trade wall the stocks high if if if everyone in

1004
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: the secondary coming off a hip surgery, the stock is

1005
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: probably not as high as people think. That's fine, that's right,

1006
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 1: that's no. I'm I can give me who he didn't

1007
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: like this question, Bryan, give me give me one injury. No,

1008
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: he's not. But I understand. I understand the premise of

1009
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: the question because you're thinking, okay, if we can't, Yeah,

1010
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: everybody wants Byron Jones playing right corner. But if you're

1011
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: you're getting production from your group and you know that

1012
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: you're not going to sign Byron Jones, who's the right

1013
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: corner like Anthy Brown or they've been putting Jordan Lewis

1014
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: they've kind of want to go down that route. Sometimes

1015
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: you got to live in the now. I tell you what,

1016
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: though anthy Anthy Brown did started, he got replaced. You're

1017
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: not wrong about that. And then they've been switching almost

1018
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: every day on who's outside and who goes inside. And

1019
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: they'll tell you it's for versatility purposes. But again, sometimes

1020
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: you gotta live in the now, not the future. And

1021
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: the future means a draft choice, and the draft choice

1022
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: is no sure deal. I agree. I'm trying to win

1023
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl this year. I want people are people

1024
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: are lining up with you right now, Mickey, They're they're

1025
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: lining up with you right and they always should line up.

1026
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: By the way, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's not cocky, all right.

1027
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: By the way, Donovan Lumbus showing up to another young

1028
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: corner of showing up, just the ball starting to find him,

1029
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: even if it's a tip. I thought he was a clapper.

1030
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: The guy makes play. He does make play. He does

1031
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: make play. And you know what, good for him because

1032
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: he's the hardest worker we know. I keep the star.

1033
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: They told everybody else, hey, you could go home, you

1034
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: could go home for five weeks. Poor Donovan lumba was

1035
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: showing up late and looking around like he was having

1036
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: lunch with us. That's what I was, tortillas soup at

1037
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: the Star. He was just saying that if he doesn't

1038
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: have anybody out there to practice with, he just practices

1039
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: his back pedal. That's all he does. And maybe it's

1040
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: paying off. Absolutely, And as Jason Garrett said, he's got length.

1041
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: His arms are long, and so he's not afraid prototype guy,

1042
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: just go play. All right, I'm gonna go for some

1043
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: soup too. Here in a minute, we got to get

1044
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah, it's almost lunch time on Dallas time. Anyway,

1045
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: Thanks for everybody for join us. We didn't get we

1046
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 1: didn't really talk DAK press tomorrow. Let's do that tomorrow.

1047
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: Let's do a progress report on DAK and some other guys,

1048
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: a little stock Quati maybe, Yeah, let's let's do that.

1049
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: Thanks to Caden and Will for producing. Thanks to Mick

1050
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: and Brian. We'll see you guys on Tuesday on Talking Cowboys,

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