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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Justin Robertson. It's been a while for me.

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Speaker 1: Justin been out on VAK for a while, then then

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Speaker 1: seeded it to Garrett and Cliff at the Combine. They

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Speaker 1: held it down out in Indieapolis. And now for you

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Speaker 1: your lounge debut. Other than being guest judge, of course,

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Speaker 1: right on the drafts, but Justin has been glued to

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Speaker 1: the TV watching the Combine workouts the past four days.

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Speaker 1: That's dedication right there, So he earned his lounge debut.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Justin, Thank you, no super grateful to be here.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, it was a busy weekend at the Combine.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching so many forty yard dashes and vertical jumps

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Speaker 1: and three cone drills and all of that. So excited

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Speaker 1: to talk some shop with the combine results. Yeah, did

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Speaker 1: you get out there and test your own skills? After

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Speaker 1: watching so many guys go through it? Do you have

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Speaker 1: your own little I did not. I had a bit

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Speaker 1: of a cold. Otherwise I would have went out there

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Speaker 1: I did not. I guess that's actually like watching the

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Speaker 1: combine on a weekend, a nice sunny weekend, when you

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Speaker 1: have a cold like it could that's kind of the

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Speaker 1: right time to I feel like, get a cold. You're

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Speaker 1: just in front of a suit blankets could be worse.

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Speaker 2: I was chilling on my couch the whole weekend listening

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Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, So we're gonna break down some of

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Speaker 1: the combine winners and losers and how those draft stocks

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Speaker 1: being affected could could impact the Ravens, right, and so

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Speaker 1: let's start on the offensive line. They were last group

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Speaker 1: to run and go through drills, so most fresh in

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Speaker 1: your mind here, justin and one player that's been, of

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Speaker 1: course mocked to the Ravens. The most popular mock draft

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Speaker 1: pick is Vega Yo Wanna out of Penn State, the

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Speaker 1: massive guard. And he didn't run the forty, but everything

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Speaker 1: that he said at the combine and the way he

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Speaker 1: looked in drills, the way he measured was all really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean six foot four, three hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: pounds really impressed on field drills, just a kind of

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Speaker 2: a home run pick, as Daniel Jeremiah said, if he

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Speaker 2: did fall to the Ravens at fourteen. And you know,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, you can never go wrong with an

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Speaker 2: O lineman in the draft. And like you said, I

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Speaker 2: mean he said all the right things and by all

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Speaker 2: accounts he's the top guard in this year's class.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Daniel Jeremiah said he's the top offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: that he's the best O lineman in the draft, which

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Speaker 1: you often see the tackles go first and often there

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Speaker 1: regarded as the cream of the crop, you know, the

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Speaker 1: left tackles. But to say that Vega at guard is

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Speaker 1: the best just overall O limeman, that really says something

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Speaker 1: about kind of the special talent that he could be.

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Speaker 1: You know, I go back and think about from the

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Speaker 1: Colts Quentin Nelson, right, I mean, like he was a

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Speaker 1: very high top ten pick and you think, man, is

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Speaker 1: that too rich for a guard? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: But I mean size him up for a gold jacket already.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's going to be a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: and is Vega. You know it's too early, guys haven't

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Speaker 2: And there's you know, as you said, there's lots of

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Speaker 2: talk about position value and drafting certain positions at certain

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Speaker 2: points in the draft, and you know, I look at it.

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Speaker 2: Just just go get the best player out there. And

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Speaker 2: that's something that general manager Eric Tacosta really prides himself

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Speaker 2: on and the most valuable thing you can do. In

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Speaker 2: my opinion. This guy a guy who can protect Lamar

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Speaker 2: ensure that the two time MVP can go for his

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. I like what Vega

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Speaker 1: had to say told Stacey Dale's the NFL Network that quote,

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Speaker 1: I'm a really bad guy, but in a good way.

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Speaker 1: I want to kill somebody out there. Strong statement. We'll

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Speaker 1: stop short of that, but at the attitude I'm down with.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear that from my.

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Speaker 1: Own that's what you want to hear, killing somebody out there.

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Speaker 2: I love that mentality, all right.

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Speaker 1: So another guard that really impressed in Indy is Emmanuel

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Speaker 1: any of the offensive linemen. Yeah, so another big guard.

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Speaker 2: Right, and you know, he's a guy he's played at

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with center Tyler Linderbaum, but he's

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Speaker 1: Yep. And it seems like from all indications coming out

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Speaker 1: You know, if the Ravens, like you said, I if

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Speaker 1: But anyway, they could go much worse than Vegue at

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of good ones on display at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that's once one

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Speaker 2: It's just the depth that position. You know, you might

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Speaker 2: not have as many blue chip guys across the old line,

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Speaker 2: but there are certainly guys, especially tackles, who could make

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Speaker 2: not just on day one, but day two and day three.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Another guard that took stood out for all the

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Speaker 1: right reasons was Iowa's Jennings Dunker the bell of the

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Speaker 2: Oh this guy, Media Darling, my favorite guy. Take him

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Speaker 2: one overall, take him number one. Now, this guy had

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with him. I mean did well

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Speaker 1: As I said, so, yeah, checks a lot of boxes.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with the bullet take the guy approves your

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Speaker 2: I wish I could grow him out. I can't do it.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the hair for it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to your girlfriend about this, all right.

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Speaker 1: Another into your offensive line that impressed another Iowa offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman that impressed with center, Logan Jones. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: if they do re sign Tyler Lindabaum. The reports in

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Speaker 1: where that the Ravens offered Linderbaum a market setting deal.

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Speaker 1: According to Eric DaCosta, the question is by how much greed.

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Speaker 1: Humphrey averages eighteen million dollars per year, So where the

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Speaker 1: from Jeremy Fowler of ESPN is that teams are expected

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Speaker 1: to offer twenty plus for Tyler Linderbaum. So the Ravens

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Iowa is a factory for a line

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Speaker 2: don't want Tyler Linderbaum to leave. I think, as you said,

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Speaker 2: Eric to Costum made that clear, and that would certainly

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Speaker 1: Yep, all right, let's kick it over to the defensive

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Speaker 1: side and talk about some linebacker's edge players defensive ends.

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Speaker 1: They went on Day one and Sonny Styles Junior, the

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Speaker 1: show early on at the Combine. He had the highest

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Speaker 1: and perhaps the most importantly, he framed Mobs Kyle Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: which I you know, I'm not a Jim bro if

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Speaker 1: you can't tell by the on camera editions of the lounge.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what frame mogged meant, did you know?

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Speaker 2: No, I had to look it up. Looked it up.

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Speaker 1: All right, that makes you feel better. You're a lot

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Speaker 2: That just shows Kyle Hamilton's nerd dame education right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's in on all the terms.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that one's in the in the dictionary frame

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Speaker 1: mogged anyway. So so they ran the Simlcam forty yard

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Speaker 1: dash of Sunny Styles Junior and Kyle Hamilton, which you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think both those guys had excellent weeks.

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Speaker 2: One thousand percent. And I think any guy who's willing

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Speaker 1: And lastly, Grace Halton out of Oklahoma was an impressive

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Speaker 2: to Missouri after two seasons, so his name immediately caught

435
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Speaker 2: my eye, especially when I saw him test like that

436
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Speaker 2: the forty. All three of those guys really, I mean,

437
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Speaker 2: as you kind of alluded to, you can never have

438
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: too many corners, yep. And I think that's something you

439
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 2: know with Nate Wiggins here in Baltimore, and you know

440
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: general manager Eric Costa saying he expects Marlin Humphrey to return.

441
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Speaker 2: I mean, you got two guys right there, but behind them,

442
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Speaker 2: you know you could add a third or fourth corner

443
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Speaker 2: in the draft potentially.

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Speaker 1: Yep. All right, let's go over to the offensive side

445
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Speaker 1: at tight end. Kenyon Sadik, who was the top tight

446
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: end coming into the combine, and he sure did cement

447
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: that status. He's basically a wide receiver out of Oregon,

448
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: big time playmaker. Just the highlight reel catches are incredible.

449
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: Then he runs the forty yard dash and four point

450
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Speaker 1: three nine seconds. It's the fastest ever by a tight

451
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Speaker 1: end and he did it at two hundred and forty

452
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: one pounds. Impressive. Dude, who's going to be a first

453
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Speaker 1: round pick? Could the Ravens at fourteen? You know, if

454
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Speaker 1: you don't resign Isaiah likely Charlie Kohler's reportedly going to

455
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: be somebody that's pretty has a solid market. You know,

456
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Speaker 1: the Ravens brought back Mark Andrews, though, could they invest

457
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Speaker 1: the first round pick at tight end? I don't know.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know either. I mean, it's be tough

459
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 2: to pass up on them. I'll say that. You know,

460
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Speaker 2: it's just how gifted he is. He's He's a guy

461
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Speaker 2: that i'd be interested in at fourteen. Now, fourteen might

462
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: be a little high, and you know, position him need

463
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Speaker 2: you got weigh that as well. But I mean, the

464
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Speaker 2: guy just produces the guys by far, the top tight

465
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Speaker 2: end in this year's class. And seeing him and Lamar

466
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Speaker 2: Jackson connect on a few touchdown passes, I mean I

467
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Speaker 2: can just imagine the possibilities there.

468
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Speaker 1: Yep. Another tight end that really impressed was Eli Stowers

469
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Speaker 1: out of vant He had the second best vertical of

470
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: any tight or no regardless of position, second best vertical

471
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Speaker 1: regardless of any position since two thousand and three jump

472
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: forty five and a half inches. I mean, this is

473
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Speaker 1: a He's a really interesting story. Former college quarterback, spent

474
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Speaker 1: two years as a backup quarterback, then transferred twice and

475
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Speaker 1: converted to tight end, and then had a breakout season

476
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: sixty two catches for seven hundred and sixty nine yards

477
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Speaker 1: and four touchdowns last year at Vanderbilt. So to really

478
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Speaker 1: make the transition halfway through college and then put up

479
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Speaker 1: that those kind of numbers is impressive. Yeah.

480
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Speaker 2: A special athlete, of course, and I'd love to kind

481
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Speaker 2: of talk with him and just wonder how that position changed,

482
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Speaker 2: maybe helped him make that transition, going from a quarterback

483
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Speaker 2: to a tight end. And you know, I'd love seeing

484
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Speaker 2: the Vanderbilt guys kind of making a name for themselves.

485
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Speaker 2: You know, a program that historically isn't the best for

486
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Speaker 2: the past few year has really excelled and Stowers was

487
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: certainly a guy who helped them do great last season.

488
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Speaker 2: As you mentioned, his production and just testing off the charts.

489
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Speaker 2: I mean, second best vertical ever for a tight end is.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, right, yeah, yeah, really wild and obviously the clear

491
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Speaker 1: upside there, right, I mean, you have a guy that's

492
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: pretty new to the position, and so the ceiling athletically

493
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: and then just experience wise seemingly quite high for Eli Stowers.

494
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Speaker 1: And in doing some research about the tight ends because

495
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: of a story I wrote about how the Ravens could

496
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, potentially double dip it tight end again? If

497
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: likely and Coleer both leave. The Ravens have a long history,

498
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: four times in franchise history that they've drafted two tight

499
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: ends in the same class, and it's worked out pretty

500
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: darn well for them, including with Lightly and Cohler. And

501
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: could they potentially do it again. Well, there's a lot

502
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: of really strong, intriguing receiving tight ends in this year's class,

503
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: kind of Day two, Day three picks and so stours

504
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: among them. I think that that could be somewhere where

505
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens strike another position that they could certainly go after.

506
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: Is it wide receiver. There's some interesting names there at

507
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: the top, and we'll talk about one that maybe his

508
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: stock could have dipped a little bit, but a lot

509
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: of them didn't run. Makai Lemon didn't run some of

510
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: the other Jordan Tyson didn't run Casey Conception, Concepcion, Denzel Boston,

511
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: and so you didn't get a true great look at

512
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: the top guys, you know, if you're gonna take him

513
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: in the first round. But one of the kind of

514
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: later prospect, Jacobe Lane out of usc really impressed with

515
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: a forty inch vertical six bests among the wide receivers

516
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: four point four to seven forty forty yard dash had

517
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Speaker 1: a nice, nice combine.

518
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had especially in the throwing sessions with

519
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, he had a couple of nice grabs.

520
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had won.

521
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: I think it was a corner route to the sideline,

522
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: a really nice sideline grab. And his gall and drill

523
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: was also really impressive. I don't think he had any

524
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: drops on that and just was very smooth throughout, you know,

525
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: like you said, I mean some of these top receivers

526
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: didn't really test or do much the combine. So it

527
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: really gave a shot to these other guys to really

528
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: boost their stock and have another you know, have the

529
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: spotlight on them rather than some of these other guys.

530
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: And then running back. One of the better stories of

531
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: the common was Arkansas's Mike Washington junior, who ran the

532
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: forty yard dash and four point three to three seconds

533
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Speaker 1: and then just kind of broke down crying with emotion.

534
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: You know, you think about that's one of the cool

535
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: things about the Combine and the draft is that you're

536
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: seeing these streams come true for these guys who have

537
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: worked so hard to get to this point, and the

538
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: Combine is just such a big deal. It's such an

539
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 1: important step along the way and the training that they

540
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: do to prepare themselves for that, and even as a

541
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: kid probably you know, talking about how fast you can run,

542
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: what you're gonna run in the forty someday and this

543
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: is it, right and you're on that stage, and then

544
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: to run that that great time at four point three

545
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: three seconds, it was just cool to see, you know,

546
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: a guy kind of take it to heart like that.

547
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. And I think a lot

548
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: of people don't really think about sometimes the amount of

549
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: work that goes in between the end of the season

550
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: and how these guys train for the Combine, for the

551
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, for the draft, and you know, to see

552
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: the emotion by Washington was just great, especially after such

553
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: a great time and four point three to three seconds.

554
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: That's a great run, right, I don't know if I

555
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: could get to six point.

556
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: Three three Yeah, well and two, Like you realize you

557
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: do something like that, you're like, wow, I just I

558
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: just boosted my stock. I made myself a lot of money,

559
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, you put yourself on

560
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: the map a little bit with that kind of run.

561
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: So that's pretty cool. And then a man that's already

562
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: very solidly on the map, Jeremiah Love out of Notre Dame.

563
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: Some people consider him just the best pure problemspect in

564
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: this year's draft class. And then you get into the

565
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: conversation of running back and draft positional value and all

566
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. But Jeremiah Love had the second fastest forty

567
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: yard dash among running backs at four point three six seconds.

568
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: This is a big man too, you know, he's he's

569
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: he's not one of these tiny little burners. It's gonna

570
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: be a third down back. And then you know he's

571
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: at six foot to twelve and so to do that

572
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: run that kind of time, I think solidifies him as

573
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Speaker 1: as a top ten pick.

574
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Speaker 2: Oh, I think for sure. And if you just look

575
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: at Jeremiah Love's highlights. I mean ridiculous. Yeah, I mean

576
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: he's a guy for you know, two years who's really

577
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: been regarded as he's going to be a top ten pick.

578
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: Where he goes, we'll see. But I mean, if you

579
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: watch his drills, how he did the combine, handles himself

580
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: really well. I mean, he is, in my opinion, probably

581
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Speaker 2: the biggest camp miss guy in.

582
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Speaker 1: The shoes draft. Interesting. All right, well we're going to

583
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Speaker 1: take a break. When we come back, we're going to

584
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Speaker 1: talk about some prospects who did not have the best

585
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Speaker 1: combine showing and hey, could that actually be a good

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Speaker 1: thing for the Ravens. Welcome back into the Lounge podcast.

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Speaker 1: So justin the other side of the of the combine

598
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: is you know, those who don't like it up right

599
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: and don't get a lot of buzz, and sometimes that

600
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: can be a good things for teams. Right they're saying,

601
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, go ahead and run that slower forty

602
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, come on down to us, right, and the

603
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Ravens are traditionally a team that puts more stock certainly

604
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: in the film than it does combine performances in spandex shorts. Right,

605
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: of course that matters, right, but like we said earlier,

606
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: that usually matters in reference to all right, let's go

607
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: back to the film and kind of check this against

608
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: what we see on the field. So one player along

609
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: those lines is Ruben Bain Junior of Miami, the edge

610
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: rusher who just lit it up in the playoffs last

611
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: season for Miami down the stretch was an absolute monster.

612
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: But a talking point throughout his final season is you know,

613
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: what's this guy's arms going to measure in at And

614
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: there's some concern about having shorter arms steps up there

615
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: and sure enough sub thirty one inch arms just to

616
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: tick under thirty one inches, And so that's gonna raise

617
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: some concern with him because he and cashus Howe have

618
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: the shortest arms for an edge rusher, or would have

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Speaker 1: the shortest arms for an edge rusher drafted in the

620
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Speaker 1: first round since at least nineteen ninety nine, no player

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00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: with arms less than thirty one inches has had double

622
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: digit sacks in any season for the last twenty straight seasons.

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Speaker 1: So you know, how much stock do you put in

624
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: those measurements versus what you see on tape? That's the

625
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: question with Ruben Main.

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00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think when I saw his arm size

627
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: as well as I was like, okay, let's take a

628
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: deeper dive on it. And then you see that stat

629
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Speaker 2: of you know, no edge rusher draft in the first

630
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: round since nineteen ninety nine, they would have the two

631
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Speaker 2: shortest arms of that group, right, And I thought about

632
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: it more. I'm like, Okay, you know, thirty one inch arms,

633
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: If you two inches to that, you know, is that

634
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: that big of a difference?

635
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: But two inches is a lot, right, But yeah, even

636
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: a half inch will get them over that or I

637
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: think it's kind of the threshold.

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00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah you think, okay, that can't matter that much, but apparently,

639
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: you know, scouts look at that.

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00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure, it's a huge factor. And the reason

641
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: that it's a huge factor is is when those guys

642
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: kind of lock out their arms against offensive tackles, right,

643
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: you want to you want to be able to keep

644
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: that offensive tackle away from your body, from being able

645
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: to kind of lock you up inside your shoulder pads.

646
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: And so if you can't extend that arm far enough,

647
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like a boxer with not enough reach,

648
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: they can't quite land that jab. And so that is

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Speaker 1: that is the concern. Now, there's been a lot of

650
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Speaker 1: shorter and shorter arm rushers who have had success. Elvis

651
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Speaker 1: Duberville comes to mind for me, because sometimes those guys

652
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: can say, well, I have a little natural leverage, right,

653
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: I can get up underneath of those dudes. But the

654
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Speaker 1: stats of the stats, I mean, according to Warren Sharp,

655
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Speaker 1: you know, no player with arms less than thirty one

656
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Speaker 1: inches ha said, double double digit sacks in any season

657
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: last twenty straight years. So there's a trend here. Yeah,

658
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: that's a little bit alarming, exactly. And so you know

659
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: when you're marrying that it can be really difficult. When

660
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: I look at Ruben Bain, though, I see a player

661
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: who man like. This guy plays like a Raven, you know, physical,

662
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: dog like, just plays the way he wanted to play.

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Speaker 1: A lot of his moves also aren't kind of he

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Speaker 1: has developed a way to overcome those shorter arms, kind

665
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Speaker 1: of spin moves, dips underneath kind of moves. You see

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Speaker 1: him use his leverage and his physicality to kind of

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Speaker 1: overcome that. But will that translate to the NFL level

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Speaker 1: as a question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the biggest question I think, certainly

670
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: productive in Miami. Yeah, And you know, heading into the combine,

671
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: that was kind of all to talk about him was

672
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: how he's going to measure, how tall or how wide

673
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: is his wingspan his arm's going to be and sub

674
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Speaker 2: thirty one inches. I doubt that's what many were hoping for,

675
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: but like you said, that could be a blessing in

676
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: disguise for the Ravens exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if he gets to fourteen. Talking about one

678
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Speaker 1: of the premiere, premier guys who's been pretty much a

679
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: consensus top ten projected pick at a position of need

680
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: at edge, Rusher checks, the film checks a lot of boxes.

681
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: Like I said about how he plays the game, the mentality.

682
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: I liked what he said on podium. I thought that,

683
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Speaker 1: you know, he said on podium that teams had not

684
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: asked him about the arm Like, now, I don't know

685
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: what the question is there. Hey, what's it like to

686
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: have short I don't know. You know, it doesn't necessarily

687
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: mean that there's not concern out there, I think around

688
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: the league. But he very much downplayed that as he should.

689
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, this is one of those things.

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00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: It happens every single year. It happened last year to

691
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: the tackle in the class, Will Campbell, who the New

692
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: England Patriots took very high. Now, Will Campbell, his struggles

693
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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl have magnified. I think concerns potentially

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Speaker 1: about arm length. And we saw, you know, the world

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Speaker 1: saw him have a tough time in the Super Bowl

696
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Speaker 1: getting getting bullied out there and Seahawks defenders kind of

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Speaker 1: getting inside of him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think something that's lost in that too is

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Speaker 2: they made the Super Bowl. There was a reason they

700
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Speaker 2: were in that game, and Will Campbell, you know, played

701
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: a huge part in that run.

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Speaker 1: Very true, very true. So it'll be very interesting to

703
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Speaker 1: see how that affects ruben Bain's draft stock and whether

704
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: that could be something the Ravens could capitalize on. Another

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00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, again with arm length concerns offensive tackles, Spencer

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00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: Spencer Fano out of Utah. This was projected as as

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00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: one of the top offensive tackles in the class. I

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00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: believe he was the first off the board. In mel

709
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: Kiper's mock draft. Daniel Cheremiah had him as his fourteenth

710
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: ranked prospect overall. I put him right in the Ravens

711
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: range right there at number fourteen, and again comparisons to

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Speaker 1: Will Campbell, you know that's a college an offensive tackle

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00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: at left tackle where arm length was a problem. Spencer

714
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: Fino because of where he measured in with thirty two

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00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: and one eighth inch arms, people are now suggesting he

716
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: could have a position change inside the guard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that puts him on the Ravens board potentially

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00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: with you know, you got Ronnie Stanley left tackle, and

719
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: you got Roger Rosengard in a right tackle. So I

720
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: mean if you did take him and you kick him

721
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Speaker 2: inside the guard, that would alleviate some of those concerns.

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Speaker 2: And you know, by all accounts he's a he's in

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Speaker 2: you know, a really good prospect, looked good on the

724
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Speaker 2: field with the drills and tested well overall. So I

725
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: mean that's another intriguing one that maybe if you make

726
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: that position change, it could pay dividends.

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Speaker 1: Now that versus Vega, you know, taking offensive tackle and

728
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: moving him versus a true guard guard. That'd be the

729
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: tough convo for me.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think typically you want to go with

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Speaker 2: the more proven guy that position, somebody who's it's a

732
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Speaker 2: bit of an unknown right and somebody who's got starts

733
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Speaker 2: I think at that position and you have tape on

734
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: them at that position compared to you know, kicking inside.

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00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: It's a tough balance.

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Speaker 1: Now, right, position versatility is also a very valuable thing,

737
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: especially on the offensive line where you have injuries. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be an interesting debate. Last one on our

739
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Speaker 1: list on this is wide receiver Carnel Tate out of

740
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: Ohio State ran the forty yard dash at four point

741
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: five to three seconds, which was twenty seventh among the

742
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: group of thirty four participating wide receiver prospects. You know,

743
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: it's not it's not like a crazy slow time, but

744
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: for a player that is projected to be potentially a

745
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: top fifteen pick running a four or five to three

746
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Speaker 1: at wide receivers not what you really want to see. No,

747
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: it's not.

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Speaker 2: And I think you know a lot of people are

749
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: gonna say that, and he'd be the first one to

750
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: tell you maybe he was expecting a better time. But

751
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: if you watch the tape, I mean he plays faster

752
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: than that. And Ohio State, I mean, listen, they're a

753
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Speaker 2: wide receiver factory. There's a laundry list of guys who

754
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: have come out of there and had really great success

755
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: at this next level. So Carnel Tate certainly a guy

756
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Speaker 2: who if he fell to fourteen, I think everybody would

757
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: say that's a steal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it made me go to the tape. I mean

759
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: the highlights is really what I went to. I was like,

760
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: let me watch this tape. Guy, and I'll tell you.

761
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Speaker 1: When you talk about confident hands, playmaking, ability to go up,

762
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean he's a bigger receiver at six foot two.

763
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Speaker 1: I believe the ability to go up and make plays

764
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Speaker 1: over the top and over defenders, and the swagger. I

765
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Speaker 1: just like the way he catches the ball. I mean

766
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Speaker 1: he catches with confidence and it's like he's one of

767
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: those guys where I watch him play and it's my

768
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: ball every time it's up there. And I thought he

769
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: was pretty darn impressive fifty one catches for eight hundred

770
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Speaker 1: and seventy five yards and nine touchdowns last season. You know,

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Speaker 1: the question for me at wide receiver for the Ravens

772
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: is you have Zay Flowers and rashat bateman. DeAndre Hopkins

773
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: is a free agent. We'll see what happens with him.

774
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: So you know, are you draft You're gonna spend a

775
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Speaker 1: first round pick for a guy who initially slots in

776
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Speaker 1: as a two three You know that's it's pretty rich

777
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: to be spending the number fourteen overall pick. But Eric

778
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Speaker 1: Kass has shirt certainly shown his willingness to spend premium

779
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Speaker 1: draft capital at wide receiver. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think, as you kind of alluded to, their wide

781
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Speaker 2: receiver is one of those position groups where there's tons

782
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: of prospects you can maybe target Day two, Day three.

783
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Speaker 2: But if you love a guy that high and he

784
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: you know, it works out with him. I mean, look

785
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: at Zay Flowers, yep, I mean first round pick and

786
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: he's made two Pro Bowls back to back years. Yep,

787
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Speaker 2: It's worked out really well for the Ravens. So I

788
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Speaker 2: think if Carnel takes that, you really like him or

789
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: you like some of these other top names at wide receiver,

790
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: you know, getting him Zay Flowers, Rashan Bateman, Mark Andrews.

791
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: I mean that's a very dynamic group.

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Speaker 1: It certainly helps Lamar Jackson as you talked about the outset,

793
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Speaker 1: helping Lamar Jackson, you know, reach his his highest level

794
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: of play and win that third m VP. That that

795
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: is a good item to check off. I would say

796
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: a good thing to do. The other top wide receivers

797
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, Jordan Tyson and Makai Lemon, so

798
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: that would kind of be that that first round wide

799
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Speaker 1: receiver class. So those are our biggest winners and losers.

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Speaker 1: I hate to say losing. These guys are all winners.

801
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest. There at the combines, it made

802
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: it those that's our class. Thank you very much, Justin

803
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Speaker 1: for coming in and lending us your expertise. Thanks for

804
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: watching so much. I'm fine so the rest of us

805
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: could live our lives.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Excellent job. Thanks for listening. We'll be back with you

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Speaker 1: this week. We already have some interviews done that Get

809
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: and Cliff did at the Combine that we have yet

810
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: to roll out, so make sure you stay tuned for

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Speaker 1: those interviews. Thanks for listening, we'll be back later this

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Speaker 1: weekn