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Speaker 1: looking at at weight in the same kind of way

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00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: you look at age, where like the older you get,

429
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: you're more susceptible to get certain health issues. But your

430
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: age doesn't cause you to have something. Your age doesn't

431
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: mean it's like you have this because you're eighty five.

432
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, there's yeah, you're more likely because you're older.

433
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: In the same thing with waight, if somebody goes into

434
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: a doctor and it's like, I have really bad pain

435
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: in my calf, I don't know, will lose weight, Same

436
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: with the towner, like maybe you would lose weight, will

437
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: go away, when like there could be a real actual

438
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: medical issue going on, But these people don't get the

439
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: care they need because they're told that. Rather, somebody with

440
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: a smaller body goes in and they're like, oh, let's

441
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: run some tests and maybe they don't know anything about medicine,

442
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: but like maybe they find cancer in their calf. But

443
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: the person who is in a larger body, they totally

444
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: get ignored and it's like, yeah, weight might make something

445
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: more likely, just like or you're more susceptible, just like ages,

446
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: you're more susceptible, But your weight doesn't cause that. Yeah, yeah,

447
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: and it's um, it's I mean, it's a huge problem.

448
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of fearmongering with I have

449
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: a lot of clients who are like, well, I have

450
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: to lose weight or else this is going to happen.

451
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I always say, like, what indicators do

452
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: we have that says that this is going to happen? Um?

453
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: And you know, we also have to consider extreme results

454
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: typically are caused by extreme behavior. And so you know, um,

455
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: when we look at the fitness world and we look

456
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: at the guy that looks like a you know, exporting

457
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: goods um under armor mannequin, it took extreme measures to

458
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: achieve that body. Or you know, females body that looks

459
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: like you know, a fitness model, it took extreme measures

460
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: to achieve that body. Um. And so I think, really

461
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is that we instead of just

462
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: looking at weight, we really need to peel back the behaviors.

463
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: And so um, that's something that I always work with

464
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: my clients who are living in the larger body of like, well,

465
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: are are we are you being cheating? Is that? Is

466
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: that the behavior that we need to address? Um? And

467
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: if we're not being cheating anymore, will the body start

468
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: to normalize in size? Maybe? Maybe not? Um, But you're

469
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: saying like, wait, isn't the issue exactly a symptom of

470
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: the behavior exactly exactly? So so UM, we got you

471
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: a little bit off track. Yeah, but that's lady. You

472
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: are opened up to Hayes. Yeah, open up to Haze.

473
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: I was curious at a lot of people because it

474
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: is actually confused a lot it is, y'all. Are I'm

475
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: going to keep on the off track, but you're you're

476
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: talking a lot more about the larger body with Haze.

477
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: But what's the impact on people like maybe that are

478
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: in bodies that are on the smaller side. Yeah, um,

479
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: you know I think that Again, it's looking at behaviors.

480
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: So if someone's being if someone's B ANDM, I we're

481
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: like B and mine as a matter, but like they're like,

482
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: well BM is under nineteen, we probably need to look

483
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: at behaviors because most adult bodies are incapable of being

484
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: that small without some type of maladaptive behave. Also, the

485
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: other thing is and I think a lot of people

486
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: have these experiences, but it's not fair that they get

487
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: to eat whatever they want and don't have to work

488
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: out and then this life time and at the same time,

489
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, they got to eat chips ahoy for

490
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: breakfast and had twenty diet cokes throughout the day and

491
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: get to have eat whatever they want, but at the

492
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: same time they're also malnourished. Yeah, yeah, And it's you know,

493
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: I think ultimately it's that we you cannot make assumptions

494
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: on what someone is or isn't doing, or how healthy

495
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: or unhealthy someone is based off of their size. You

496
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: need more information. So um. I think that ultimately is

497
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: one of the foundations of haze and UM and you know,

498
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: just body size in general, which has been I think, yeah,

499
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: for these smaller bodies, No, we can't just look at

500
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: you and be like you're fine because you're you're small, right, Like,

501
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: there could also be stuff going behaviors going on with

502
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: you that we need to leak as well. Yeah. Well,

503
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: and someone who's in what looks like a very normal

504
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: sized body could absolutely be be symptomatic of malnourishment. You know.

505
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: I remember, Okay, so how did I get out of

506
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So I UM started working needing disorders,

507
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: had a lot of huge learning experiences you know, through

508
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: that professionally, personally, UM, very very long story short, I

509
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: UM would say that life hit and I was not able,

510
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: not physically able to maintain the exercise regiment and the

511
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: nutrition regiment because UM, I just I just couldn't you know.

512
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: That was what really pulled me out of it. And

513
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, my body changed. And this

514
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: has actually just been within the last two years. UM.

515
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: My body changed, It increased in size, and and I

516
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, what's going on. I feel really out

517
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: of control of this body, Like, What's what's happening? And

518
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: now I look back and I think, wow, Like when

519
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: I stood up, I would get dizzy, and I thought

520
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: that was normal because that had been happening since I

521
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: started my fitness life. Um, you thought that was crazy? Yeah,

522
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: like you're crazy. But like I think like some of

523
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: the women in my family would experience that too, and

524
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: it would be like, oh, dehydrated or have a low

525
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: blood pressure. Like a lot of people are like, oh

526
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: my blood pressure is so low. It's because I'm so

527
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: healthy and fit. My heart rates so low. It's because

528
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm so healthy and fit, but it's because your body

529
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: is not nourished, um, you know. And when you finally

530
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: step out of it, you can start to look back

531
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my goodness, Like what in the world,

532
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: you know? And I would bused a small or extra

533
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: small shirt and I would think, where do the people

534
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: who are actually small shop? Like, how do they how

535
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: do they get close at fit? So now kind of

536
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: pulling out of it, looking back, it's like, well, did

537
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: I have any business being that small? Like? And so

538
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: you can talk to that point wheight. No, like you

539
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: you just don't see what's really there. And you know

540
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: when you look at set point Wait, there's this really

541
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: really funny video about set point Wheight and it's basically

542
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: it's like, whatever your body does when you're not restricting,

543
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: you're not over exercising, and you're not binging, and you're

544
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: not you know, when you turn into this like normal, healthy,

545
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: active person, whatever whatever your body does is really none

546
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: of your business. Your body is in control of that,

547
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: and so you have to catch up with being okay

548
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: with it. Um. And there's days where it's easier and

549
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: days where it's not there's days where you know, you

550
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: you wake up and you're like, well, here's this new

551
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: body again, Like Okay, we're gonna we're gonna take it

552
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: running and we're gonna nourish it and we're gonna do

553
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: our jobs and we're gonna be strong and empowered and

554
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: you know. So, um, how does that impact? Like when

555
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: we earlier you mentioned having a food freedom approach, but

556
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: then you also mentioned having a movement freedom philosophy. So

557
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: if you move more into talking about that, what does

558
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: movement freedom mean? What does it look like? Can you

559
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: talk more about that? Yeah? So it's it's taking away

560
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: the obsessive idea that I have to exercise for this

561
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: amount of time or I have to exercise to cancel

562
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: out something I ate, or I have to exercise because

563
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: I'll get fat, you know. Or um, how because you've

564
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: transitioned into that and I know I have to and

565
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: I want to hear you've transitioned to that and people

566
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: that you work with aren't transitioning to that, right, So

567
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: what is that like for you? And where do you

568
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: find yourself bumping up against resistance? Because that is that

569
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: was maybe harder for me to tran just into movement

570
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: freedom than it was for like to have freedom with

571
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: food total. And if I got a freedom with food,

572
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: but then I could always go to my movement to

573
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: kind of like kind of cancel that out, you know.

574
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: And so and again, the health the industry that we

575
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: work in with fitness are so they're going to co

576
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: sign onto that I like working out to burn off

577
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: that pizza like blah blah whatever, which I really can't

578
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: stand now, but right I wanted to hear what it's

579
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: that transition was like for you. And then again the

580
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: feedback you get from that. So again, um, when I

581
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: say when life hit like I lost my mom unexpectedly,

582
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: and you know, the heaviness of that, I truly was

583
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: incapable of exercising to the degree that I was like

584
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: my I was it was all I could do just

585
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: to do any exercise. So um, and now like looking back,

586
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like you didn't have to do that,

587
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: Like you didn't have to work so hard that you

588
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: felt like you're going to throw up, or like you

589
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: didn't have to you know, run so fast that you're

590
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: stomach hurt, Like none of it mattered. I think so

591
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: often now we have people training like their Olympic athletes

592
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: to the point where we have stretch facilities and cryotherapy

593
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: and like things that Olympic athletes need, not anyone who's

594
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: just like a normal active person. So as this is

595
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: like solely happening, I'm starting to kind of see this

596
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: this difference like you're describing, and um, and what's the

597
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: exact question, like what how did you trans just transition

598
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: from like moving to kind of maintain your healthy image

599
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: to moving to for like joy and to take care

600
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: of yourself. And along with that, what was was there

601
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: some pain and the fact that the people around you

602
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: weren't trying to sameTo that idea? Okay, yeah, yeah, there

603
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: there is a lot of pain. I think that it's

604
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: a combination so many things. So you start to move

605
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: towards this idea that you know, movement can be joyful,

606
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Movement doesn't have to be imprisoning, and it doesn't always

607
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be about changing your body your

608
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: body hacking and um. You know, once you get to

609
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: that place, you can start to really pay attention to

610
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: do I even like this form of exercise. You know,

611
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: why did I choose this in the first place? Um?

612
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: And did I choose this because I think that it

613
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: it might like lift my bum or because I actually

614
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: enjoy it. So what does the environment do? I even

615
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: like it? And there have been plenty of methods of

616
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: movement that I've tried out in the last two or

617
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: three years where I'm like, I don't like this, and

618
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: so I don't do it, and wow, like it's incredibly empowering.

619
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: And then you know, seeing so many people coming in

620
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: and out of this, you know, fitness studio, who are

621
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: there to change their body, change or change their life. Right,

622
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: but we know that if changing our body has meant

623
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: changing our lives, then liposuction would work every time. It

624
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: would be a lobotomy like you know it. Gastric bypass

625
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: would actually be brain surgery, not just changing bodies. And

626
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: so or transference of addiction, you know, research around gastric

627
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: bypass and how like that addiction transfers to something else

628
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: is really like astounding incredibly and that goes not just

629
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you all are probably sure too,

630
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: not just for people who have gastric bypass, but for

631
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: people doing anything with food or body or moving from

632
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: one addiction to the next. Yeah, yeah, and um, and

633
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: so so then I'm starting to kind of like like

634
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: view the room, right, you start to kind of step back,

635
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh man, there's there's people in here

636
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: who have already been here today. Um yeah, there's there's

637
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: people leading these people who have already been here today.

638
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: And I noticed they posted like earlier, earlier that they

639
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: were at a different gym, and you know, and so

640
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: you start to see this really these really disordered patterns,

641
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: and then you start to see the defeat that people

642
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: are experiencing. So it's like I've been coming here for

643
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: a month and I haven't lost any weight or um,

644
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't do as well as I wanted

645
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: to on my run and it's like, well, okay, you

646
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: know you're not trying to win well, right. But I

647
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: think that one of the problems because the place where

648
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: you were working in the places that I work have stats,

649
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: which is meant to be motivating, and you know what,

650
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: it is kind of cool when you can be in

651
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: a place where it's like, I'm going to do this

652
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: for me, but these stats are compute it ors that

653
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: are not that like have their own dysfunction and are

654
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: imperfect and themselves. And and so I know for where

655
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: I was work where I work, they can like, if

656
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: you get on a different bike on a different day,

657
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably get different stats. And so people are like,

658
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: I only got this many power points and I got

659
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: like I didn't get first place, I got third, and

660
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: it like ruins their full experience where they're like even

661
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: mad that they even worked out in the first place

662
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: because they didn't win or didn't get whatever. That removes

663
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: any opportunity for joy of movement. I'm like, yeah, but like,

664
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: look what you did do, but they can't see it,

665
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: and it's really hard to be so excited at the

666
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: end of the class that you teach and then all

667
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: these people are piste and upset because they didn't perform

668
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: the way they wanted to. But I'm like, why do

669
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: you even want to perform that? Like why is that

670
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: the goal? What is how does that? If if I

671
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: could change the numbers on your screen and manipulate them

672
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: so you got first place, would you feel differently about what? Yeah? Yeah,

673
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, And I think too though, Um, the

674
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: fact that we we have that microphone, and that microphone

675
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: is speaking to up to thirty seven people thirty six people,

676
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: so we are in control of the messaging that we provide.

677
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: And I noticed that as I was providing this really

678
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: more uplifting and empowering message, people were coming to me

679
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: individually with trust, saying, it's so amazing what you're saying

680
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: on this mike compared to you know, other places that

681
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: I've been or um, you know, when you said this,

682
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: it really helped me think and so the platform for us,

683
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: it can turn into something really positive. And then I

684
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: noticed that started to trickle to some of the other

685
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: coaches too, So you know, you're always going to have

686
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: some people who subscribe and some who don't. And UM,

687
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: most of the folks at the studio, we're really really

688
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: thankful that I was kind of shedding this alternate light

689
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: on Hey, what if we didn't make this about body image.

690
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: What if we didn't talk about lifting butts and getting

691
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: swimsuit ready and I seven donuts and now I need

692
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: to cancel that out, And what if we UM just

693
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: made this a really positive and empowering environment. And it's

694
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: worked really really well. UM, because you're talking about the

695
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: difference between like motivating people through fear and people through

696
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: like love and acceptance. It's like, what what works better?

697
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: We think the fear works better because we're not. Nobody's

698
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: trying anything else. It's not true. Yeah, fear just makes people.

699
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: I know, even for me and my own like therapeutic

700
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: journey of switching to and I hear this all the time.

701
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure you all do too. Of people like being

702
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: afraid to be kind to themselves because I think a

703
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: lot of us keep ourselves in line by like this

704
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: drill sergeant that lived, seril sergeant that lives inside. But

705
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: like really, I'm like, no, the movement from like fear

706
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: and shame actually over to like kindness and acceptance will

707
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: give you more change than you could ever get. Like

708
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: all you get with the fear of mindset is you

709
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: get better. I mean, think about parents who parent with

710
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: fear and change. You just get the kid gets better

711
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: at hiding and manipulating. When I would wonder, there's this

712
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: kind of a question that we can all answer. What

713
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: was the fear that we had around? Okay, I'm going

714
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: to motivate myself in a different way. So if I'm

715
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: going to move from this place of like you have

716
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: to work out because you ate this or because you

717
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: need to get first place, because if you don't, it

718
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: doesn't count. Rather than loving yourself and being motivating through

719
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: kindness and like you need to do this because you

720
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: deserve to move and I want you to do this

721
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: because you actually enjoy this kind of movement. I know

722
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: I had a fear around that, but did you guys

723
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: have fear of like what if I transition to this

724
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: like not norm Yeah, I thought I would go like

725
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: into like this complete abyss of like laziness and my

726
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: whole life. Like I remember probably a year and a

727
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: half ago, two years ago, I was at I did CrossFit.

728
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: I did all sorts of stuff. I'd like changed gyms

729
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: like every three months, but I was doing crossbit and

730
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for a long time. And there's

731
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with doing crossbit or not. It was just

732
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: that I hated going and and I remember I was

733
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: in there and I was like getting ready to do

734
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: my one hundred I don't know back squad or clean

735
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: and Jerk or whatever we were doing, and I just

736
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: thought to myself, like why am I doing this? I

737
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: hate this, I'm like miserable here, and I just dropped

738
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: the bar and I was like I'm done, Like I'm

739
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: not going to keep doing things that I don't like

740
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: to do. And I think that, like, but there was

741
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: also this fear of and then I transitioned into doing

742
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: more yoga in order to also be more in tune

743
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: with myself, and I made this promise of like, I

744
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to move my body because I feel better

745
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: when I move my body, but I'm not going to

746
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: do it in ways that I feel like I'm punishing myself.

747
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: And there was also this fear of, like, oh, if

748
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: I go do more yoga, like, what's going to happen

749
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: not only to my body, but like to the rest

750
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: of my life. And I really felt like I would

751
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: just stay at my house and watch TV or something,

752
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: which just that is so people didn't happen. If I

753
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: got nice to myself and if I accept my body

754
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: at its set point, I'm gonna become seven thousand pounds

755
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: and I'm like, or I'm not going to work out

756
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: anymore and I'm not true, like we'll actually just be happy. Yeah,

757
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: But I remember, like I've talked to so many and

758
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: this is for me, but I've talked a lot of

759
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: clients about this. If I start to think that I

760
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: can work out in a sports braut no matter what

761
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: I look like, then I'm going to let myself be

762
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: like one million pounds, and then on top of that,

763
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: other people are going to judge me for being one

764
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: million pounds. I'm like two things. One, you're not going

765
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: to be a million pounds your body. Your body doesn't

766
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: want to be a million paus a million pounds. It

767
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: might be a size that you don't want to be

768
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: right now, but you're going to care about that so

769
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: much less. And that's what I'm like, Just stress me

770
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: because you're going to care about that so much less.

771
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: And the more you hide your body, the more you're

772
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna push yourself away from feeling that. Because I can

773
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: go run in a sports ro off it's hot, or

774
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: I can take a second class in sports row if

775
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: I want to, but only because I've allowed myself to

776
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: accept my body and do that. If I've never let

777
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: myself try that, I would still be co signing onto

778
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: this belief that my body doesn't deserve to be seen

779
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: at the weight that it is. Yeah, and without doing it,

780
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: you don't know that it's possible. And so I just

781
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: had to go through this pain. Okay, I'm uncomfortable. I

782
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: am afraid somebody's going to judge me because I don't

783
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: look like what I used to look like. I'm gonna

784
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: do it anyway. And then I learned, oh, people might

785
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: have been judge you me, and I think I'm okay. Yeah,

786
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: and you probably don't know unless you have the meanness

787
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: of mean girl gyms and people say something to you.

788
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: Does that happen? Well, I mean there's always this is

789
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: the thing. People judge people all the time. And because

790
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: the fitness industry is so I would say like unhealthy,

791
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: like I would even say sick, that they're definitely going

792
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: to be people in that gym saying I can't believe

793
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: she's wearing that, or she looks like she's gained weight,

794
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: or did you see So that's just our culture. However,

795
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: like I've had to come to a point from me,

796
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: which I'm sure you have to, where I'm like, and

797
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: if nobody starts to change this, it's never going to

798
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: change exactly. Yeah, And I think too, you know, there

799
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: will always be larger bodies in this world. There will

800
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: always be um smaller bodies in this world. There will

801
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: always be fit bodies in this world, Like there will

802
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: always be all different types of bodies, and um, we

803
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: don't have to change all of them like someone lives

804
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: in the larger body doesn't mean that they now that

805
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: like we have to take on the world and try

806
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: to change their body. Like it's this idea of the

807
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: fitness world has this idea that like we're gonna take

808
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, b city by storm and change everyone's bodies.

809
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: But the reality is that, you know, scientifically, the definition

810
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: of fitness is how your body is able to take

811
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: up oxygen and utilize it as you're exercising, so it's

812
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: called vot max and it's very scientific. Um. Yet we've

813
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: taken this idea of fitness and provide or creating a

814
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: look so like they don't look fit or I'm not fit,

815
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: or I'm out of shape. And it's like I had

816
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: a client say, how am I so out of shape?

817
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: I'm coming to class four days a week, and I said,

818
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: you just ran a half marathon and you come in

819
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: here and run and lift weights and squat and all

820
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: these things. Was like, you are not out of shape.

821
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: That is the industry telling us what in shape looks like.

822
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: And that is probably one of the biggest things that

823
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: gets me really fired up. Um because if you go

824
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: watch a marathon, you're gonna see bodies of all shapes

825
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: and sizes, and those people are in shape, they are fit,

826
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: they just don't look like this, you know, extreme musclemania

827
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. I think that there's a people don't realize. Well,

828
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: I know this is for me. But I gained weight

829
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: train for my marathon. I didn't not hungry because I'm

830
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: so hungry and to be able to be able to

831
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: do those physical things, I had to feed myself. Yeah,

832
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: I had to gain weight. And it wasn't like I

833
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: was gaining all this muscle. I was just running. So answering,

834
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, short, is their pressure as a fitness instructor

835
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: to feel like you have to look in a certain way? Absolutely? Um.

836
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: I posted and I posted in you know the the

837
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: this coaching page that I'm a part of. You know,

838
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: as a fitness coach, what are somebody image issues that

839
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: you have felt? I have over twenty screenshots of responses

840
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: from coaches who are a part of a huge fitness

841
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: franchise UM expressing their struggles with body image and how

842
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: it affects their coaching and their self work, like their

843
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: worth of coaching. And I was like overwhelmed by the response.

844
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: You know, I shared with Catherine, I was like, Oh

845
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: my goodness, there are all of these people out here

846
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: who have made this a huge part of their life,

847
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: part of their that's their living, their livelihood, and they

848
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: walk out of the studio and are self conscious about

849
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: how they look and it's and it it was just

850
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: astounding and I and so for me, I know, I

851
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: walk out of that, I walk into the studio and

852
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: I have this huge group of people waiting to come

853
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: in and have their workout, and most of them look

854
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: me up and down as soon as I walk out

855
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: of the door. And whether it's on purpose or not

856
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: on purpose, it just is. And I know to expect that.

857
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: And I can say like, hey, Kayla, you don't know

858
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: what what they're thinking. They may be thinking you look awesome.

859
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: They may be thinking, wow, she looks like she gained

860
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: four pounds since last week. Ultimately, it doesn't matter because

861
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: how you look is not what makes you a motivator.

862
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: And it sounds like even what you're saying is like

863
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: people that are teaching and coaching fitness classes that as

864
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: a society we look at them and say, they must

865
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: really love themselves because they have this great body. What

866
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you say is like even those people are

867
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: saying like Nope, yeah, And what would happen if we

868
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: change the change the idea of why we're going to

869
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: the gym because our gyms are so think about all

870
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: of the challenges that are out there in all different

871
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: kinds of gyms. It's based on like losing weight or

872
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: toning this, or building muscle here, And what if we

873
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: changed the way we looked at exercise and movement, because

874
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that would shift. I would

875
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: because in our head, I used to be this way.

876
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: I want her to be my trainer because look at

877
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: her body, when like, yeah, she might have well whatever body,

878
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: But just because she trains me doesn't mean I'm gonna

879
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: look like that because p s A. You could work

880
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: out and eat the exact same as the person next

881
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: to you and still look completely different. I think, how

882
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: if you started, and this might be for both of

883
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: you all. I'm interested if you started a gym tomorrow,

884
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: Oh god. And you know if the tagline of most

885
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: gyms are like come here and lose weight, yours would

886
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: be come to my gym and have some fun. Clearly yeah,

887
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: because like exercise, movement is fun. Like I look forward,

888
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: me and Kayla go Kayla and I go run every

889
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: Friday except we missed That's ride because raining can we like,

890
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: I would have more fun at your run club if

891
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,479
Speaker 1: it was at like ten am. You have to learn,

892
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: but like I look forward to that because I'm like,

893
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: we get to talk about our lives and like what's

894
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: going on. And I actually like running. And I took

895
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: a break from running for a long time because it

896
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: turned into a chore and I would get sick before

897
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: I would have a race. I would get so anxious

898
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: and sick, and I was like, why am I doing this?

899
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: But now like I look forward to it like I

900
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: really do. And so I think people forget that, like

901
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: exercise doesn't have to be painful. Yeah, some of the exercise,

902
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: like sometimes running up a hill. I'm like, yeah, I

903
00:52:54,160 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: mean there is, but it's not like emotionally like draining painful. Yeah,

904
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: So shouldn't be tears ship at the gym. And again

905
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: I have to we have to realize we are not

906
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: professional athletes. It's not our job to work out, So

907
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be living my life around my exercise, right,

908
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: And so if Katherine's Jim is like come to Cat's

909
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: gym and have fun, cares like come to Klin's gym

910
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: and and um, be strong, be empowered, work your heart

911
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: like our heart is the most important muscle in our bodies.

912
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: And um. And for me, whereas exercise used to be like,

913
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: oh this is going to change the outward appearance of

914
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: my body, now it's I'm always thinking physiologically about the

915
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: really cool benefits that are going on, like, oh, my goodness,

916
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: my heart is getting so strong, my blood pressure is

917
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: saying down, I'm going to continue to be able to

918
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: carry all of my groceries in it once because heaven forbid,

919
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: i'd make two trips. And um, you know, if I'm

920
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: moving like Katherine just did and I'm carrying all these

921
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: heavy boxes, I'm like, cool, I can do this because

922
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm maintaining you know, my strength, So strength, power, endurance, Um,

923
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: those are the things. And you wouldn't hear a single

924
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: word about changing a body um in my in my

925
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: gym either. And I'll just say, you know, the studio

926
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: that I work for, the owner is incredible and she

927
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: has totally subscribed to this, this the messaging that I

928
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: um and she's so supportive of it, that other coaches

929
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: are so supportive and I think some of the um

930
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: folks who maybe are not quite sure it's because they're

931
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: kind of going through their own struggles. UM. And so

932
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: I always make it known to that, like I am

933
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: more than happy to talk about those struggles and help

934
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: them through that and provide support. UM. But yeah, it's

935
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can be the best motivator, the best coach,

936
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: so empowering and not be in this like picture perfect

937
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: um body. And I heard somebody say once like is

938
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: that place a good workout because I don't know. I

939
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: go in and I see people in there and none

940
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: of them really look that fit. And you know, no,

941
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: you don't know someone's journey. There was a coach that

942
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: had posted in that thing that was like, I've was

943
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: not exercising at all. I started exercising, and my body

944
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: has changed like to this degree. But if you look

945
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: at me now, I don't look like the you know,

946
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: under armour mannequin. Um. But I can probably outrun or

947
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: outrow anyone in that place. So it's just you know,

948
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: continuing to pull apart this idea that fit it has

949
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: to do with fat and it really doesn't and even happiness,

950
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean I hear this all time like, oh,

951
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: if I were thinner, if I were my body look

952
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: different than you know, people, more men would be attracted

953
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: to me or whatever. But I think even attraction or

954
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: just in general, like there are people in really fit

955
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: small bodies that are very very unhappy, and there are

956
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: people that look that are smaller body that are very happy,

957
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: and the same it's true with people with average bodies

958
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: and larger bodies, Like people are happy and people are

959
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: unhappy at at every size too. And what is certain

960
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: people being attracted to you? I think that's also a

961
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: myth too. What is that going to give you? Because

962
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: when I was at my smallest weight, I probably yeah, sure,

963
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: but why would get more attention immediately based off of

964
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: the way I look? But I will tell you now,

965
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: and I only can say this because I allowed myself

966
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: to go through it, But I am much happier now

967
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: and I am in a bigger body than I was

968
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: in And at the same time, I'm more fit now

969
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: than I was when I was over exercising and not eating.

970
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm way more fit now. I don't think somebody would

971
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: look at me and be like, oh, she just ran

972
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: a marathon in this time, they were probably like she

973
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: I would assume, I'm assuming that somebody would look at

974
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: me in a line of people and they wouldn't pick

975
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: me out as a person who ran a marathon because

976
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: of what we think. But that's we need to start changing. Yeah,

977
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: And I think ultimately it just it takes a lot

978
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: of time and a lot of soul searching and a

979
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: lot of UM therapy. Right like here we are, we're

980
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: talking about UM and and so you know there are

981
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: times that myself like I'll I'll think back, and I'll

982
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: think like, was that happier then? And I'm like, no,

983
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: you were crying on a treadmill studying for anatomy like you.

984
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: So I think when we talk about sometimes we were

985
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: really just talking about grieving, like you, maybe grieving this

986
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: idea or this identity that we created that really had

987
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: nothing to do with who we actually are. UM. But

988
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: and this is like we could have a whole another

989
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: podcast about diet culture and this superiority that people start

990
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: put putting on eating in a certain manner and exercising

991
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: like I'm better than you because I do this and

992
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: you don't. Um or we idolize. We go into this

993
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: place of idolizing like oh, they worked out, you know

994
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: three times today. That's so hardcore and it's like, well, no,

995
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: it's actually really not. And and of course then I'm curious,

996
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: like what else could you have done at that time?

997
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: And like what's scary about having downtime? And you know

998
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: you can go into all that in therapy with with

999
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: people like you lovely ladies. Yeah, I really think to yourself,

1000
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: like I think that somebody asked me this one's like

1001
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: when you die, do you want somebody to be like

1002
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: basically like, oh well at least she was really, you know,

1003
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: because I would have to. You know, you're spending four

1004
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: hours a day at the gym, that's all you have

1005
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: time for. If somebody is in this mindset of over

1006
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: exercising and UM relates to some things that you're talking

1007
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: about even in your own journey, like what's the next step?

1008
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: What do they do? Um? You know, I think that

1009
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: they probably could benefit from being around UM, you know,

1010
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: people like us who can help start to talk them

1011
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: out of that, but getting a therapist who can help

1012
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: them sipped through you know, where their self worth lies

1013
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: and really what sometimes we say, like what is it

1014
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: if they're literally running and running and running? It's like

1015
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: where are you running from? And you know, and a

1016
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: treatment team can really help hold people accountable to say, Okay,

1017
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: we still want you to be able to exercise for

1018
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: health benefits or tons of help. And if it's like

1019
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to get out of this podcast thinking

1020
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: like we can't be fit in exercise, we should like

1021
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: it's a huge part of what creates a strong body. UM,

1022
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: but that treatment team may need to say, okay, a

1023
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: you what if you committed to a thirty minute class

1024
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: that it has a start, it has a finish, and

1025
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: we're doing this this many days a week. And then

1026
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: if any emotional disregulation comes up, you know, anxiety, fear,

1027
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: any of those things, then bring that to therapy and

1028
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: we'll talk through that. So UM, sometimes people just need

1029
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: some kind of like barrier to their exercise because if

1030
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: you are in the trenches of over exercise and you

1031
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: go to the gym, you may not be able to stop.

1032
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean you might be there an hour or two hours,

1033
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: you may not be able to stop. So usually like

1034
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: a fitness class that hasn't started hasn't finished. UM at

1035
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: the studio, we would when we notice people were starting

1036
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: to come one or two times a day, we would,

1037
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, use motivational interviewing. I did some training. I'm

1038
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: trained in that to say, like, you know, what would

1039
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: it look like if we turned you away coming to

1040
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: the second class um? And we would kind of create

1041
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: these boundaries in that way. So I think a really

1042
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: if you're noticing a friend is doing that a really

1043
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: great way to approach his Hey, I'm I'm feeling I'm

1044
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: a little worried about you. You know, That's something that

1045
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: I use all the time. It's not accusatory, it's not

1046
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, you guys can talk about this probably better

1047
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: than me, but um, just saying I'm worried about you

1048
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: and here's why. So usually and like you guys know,

1049
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:37,479
Speaker 1: if if you experience defensiveness or automatic tears, that tells

1050
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: you you're probably holding a mirror up to somebody who's

1051
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: been trying to keep it down. And and that sometimes

1052
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: defensiveness you know that they've got something going on, so

1053
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: loving them through it. But yeah, I think sometimes with

1054
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: over exercise, like just creating a deal where it's like

1055
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: this has a start, this has a finish, and we're done.

1056
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: Now what else are we going to do with our time? Yeah,

1057
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: it sounds like boundary work self esteem or self worth work,

1058
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: and then also a lot of support from friends and

1059
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: other helpful people. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then we were

1060
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: just asked this in the beginning, but we do want

1061
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: to know have you been to therapy ever in your life? Yes? Yes,

1062
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: um I go once a week to see my therapist,

1063
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: and um it I started the end of last year.

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Speaker 1: And it's really funny. Yeah, and it's it's funny because

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Speaker 1: of course I've worked in mental health since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eleven at this point, and I could see the

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Speaker 1: really hard work that clients were doing, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I knew all the things that were inside of me,

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Speaker 1: and I wasn't ready to open that gate yet. Um.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you guys are brave. Like I'm here,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing okay ever here. But the more I learned

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Speaker 1: about how you know, mental health and trauma can um

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Speaker 1: just play a role in how your body, Liz is,

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Speaker 1: the more I was like, Okay, I really I really

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Speaker 1: need to do this, um. But it really it wasn't

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Speaker 1: until losing my mom that that that was like the

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Speaker 1: tipping point where I said, Okay, I I know I

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Speaker 1: have all of this. Like leading up to the loss

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Speaker 1: of her. But um, and I know that this is

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Speaker 1: probably the point where I have I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: to release the valve because I feared that it would

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Speaker 1: affect me long term. I wanted you know, I'm a perfectionist, right,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to like grieve well and grieve right

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Speaker 1: and make sure I grieve exactly how I should grieve that, like,

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Speaker 1: so I can make sure I'm doing it right. So

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Speaker 1: perfectionism like got made to therapy, I think, Um, and

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Speaker 1: it's been It's been awesome. Yeah. Cool. We love people

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Speaker 1: that go to therapy. Yeah, we also love people that don't.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and I really appreciate your humility and honesty

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Speaker 1: and this and saying like I was around this for

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Speaker 1: so long. It seemed like you knew it was an option,

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Speaker 1: you knew it was available, and really cheered other people

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Speaker 1: on and going. But there was a point for you

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Speaker 1: that you were like, Okay, I gotta get in here

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Speaker 1: and do this too. Yeah. Thanks, thanks, well, thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming. I feel like we could have sat here

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Speaker 1: for a lot longer, but you know, everybody has to

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Speaker 1: go work, so yeah, we're gonna go keep doing that.

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Speaker 1: But thank you so much. Thank you for what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: This is really important And if anybody wants to join

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Speaker 1: our run club, just let us know. But we can't

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Speaker 1: have that many people join because we don't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of space. Yeah, we'd have to be in a

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Speaker 1: long line like a like a social distance. Are you

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Speaker 1: gonna join my seven pm one? It does exists for

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Speaker 1: people who like to um wake up late and stay

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Speaker 1: up late. The Nocturnal Run, the Nocturnal Walk Fast club.

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Speaker 1: People could probably walk fast and you know, I guess too,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't have to lose a parent to get

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Speaker 1: to therapy. You want to make sure that that's clear,

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Speaker 1: like you need therapy. You we all need therapy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if any of this stuff hit you today, call somebody.

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Speaker 1: You have to be the biggest. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: have a huge life event, so you can just like

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Speaker 1: have a feeling and go and you can have a

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Speaker 1: huge life event. So yeah, so thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning into another episode of You Need Therapy.

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Speaker 1: We now have a Instagram, so please follow it at

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Speaker 1: You Need Therapy Podcast. And yeah, as always, if you

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Speaker 1: have any feedback, let us know. We love you and

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Speaker 1: we'll see you in two weeks