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Speaker 2: If I'm always looking for someone to be perfect to

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 3: women like you. We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Bussard, a

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Speaker 3: college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 4: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 4: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please

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Speaker 4: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from

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Speaker 4: five roids to fake friends, and create a safe space

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Speaker 4: where black women can just.

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Speaker 2: Be okay, lady Today, we have two powerhouses on the

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Speaker 2: show at one time, Okay. Their bios are exceptional, and

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Speaker 2: there's so much that we could say about each of them,

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Speaker 2: so we're going to keep the bio short and sweet

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Speaker 2: so that you can hear more about their incredible journeys

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Speaker 2: from the stars themselves. Okay. Jamie Lawson can currently be

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Speaker 2: series Genius MLKX, portrayed Eddie Shabbaz, the wife of Malcolm X,

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Speaker 2: who was crucial to the civil rights movement. Lawson was

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Speaker 2: also previously featured as one of Variety's ten Actors to Watch,

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Speaker 2: so much more that we could say about Jamie, but

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Speaker 2: let's give a little intro to her castmate, an equally

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Speaker 2: talented actor with ruche. Opia Opia is a British Nigerian actress.

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Speaker 2: Opia is well known for her breakout performance in HBO's

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Speaker 2: acclaimed series I May Destroy You. If you have not

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Speaker 2: seen it, y'all, bety go watch that. Okay. Her portrayal

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Speaker 2: and y'all have to tune in. Oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 2: wish I could see what I see right now, but

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Speaker 2: y'all won't even see this. I can't even say y'all

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Speaker 2: won't even see Okay, we are, We are being so

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Speaker 2: As you can imagine, there is so much more that

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Speaker 2: She holds a degree in Drama and Sociology from the

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Speaker 2: University of West England, Bristol and currently reside in London.

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Speaker 2: Jamie m Rarouch, welcome to Cultivating her space. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 5: We are so excited for this conversation, and so we

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Speaker 5: are going to dive into our quote of the day,

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Speaker 5: which comes to us from one of the women that

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Speaker 5: you all portray on the series. Sometimes I am also

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Speaker 5: identified as a civil rights leader or human rights activists.

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Speaker 5: I would also like to be thought of as a complex,

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Speaker 5: three dimensional, flesh and blood human being with a rich

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Speaker 5: storehouse of experiences, much like everyone else, yet unique in

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Speaker 5: my own way, much like everyone else. Their quote comes

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Speaker 5: to us from Kreta Scott King. Ladies, when you hear

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Speaker 5: those words and you think about the women that you

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Speaker 6: I could have been Betty that said that. I didn't

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Speaker 2: I think they had the exact same experience and exact

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Speaker 7: I never heard that quote in my life, and I

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Speaker 2: My own words when Karita said, is so, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's affirming to know because that's what we set out

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Speaker 2: become the Jamie Lawson we see today and we're ruch,

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Speaker 2: how did you become the It's Why route Opa that

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Speaker 2: you had a journey to get here, right ooh, yes,

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Speaker 2: always my initial response to that is my mother. I

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Speaker 2: just a leading example. She wasn't perfect at all, But

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Speaker 2: I've got to watch gotten to watch her over the

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Speaker 2: give her space, give herself permission to evolve and give

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Speaker 2: I've seen her through some tough times and the resilience

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Speaker 2: i'd say that for sure, But I'm still very myself.

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Speaker 2: You know what's here? That's crazy. I don't think I've

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Speaker 2: change my bio on Instagram. Else I would say, like

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Speaker 2: with Jamie, my mom has been a wonderful example. And

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Speaker 2: nobody's perfect. She has her flaws, but she's been a

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Speaker 2: But she still tries to keep a kind of not

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Speaker 2: I'm a Christian, and that is the guiding for eververything.

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Speaker 2: The Bible is. The Bible is the Bible for mee

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Speaker 5: Well, we are so grateful that y'all are the powerhouses

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Speaker 5: play doctor Betty Shabaz and Coreta Scott King. How did

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Speaker 2: How did you prepare to play the roles of these

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Speaker 7: So I didn't have Jamie Okna. A lot of research

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Speaker 2: A lot of prayer went into it as well. I

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Speaker 2: remember reading one of her autobiographies called My Love, My Life,

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Speaker 2: those were two things. The faith was something that I

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Speaker 2: What else did I do? I had etiquette class? Is

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Speaker 2: I did? I had one long as so it was

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Speaker 2: I was quite rough with it. Sometimes I was like,

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Speaker 2: and she does etiquette classes for young men young women.

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Speaker 2: She kind of prepares them and they have like them

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462
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 5: outside of their husbands, right, what was something that you

463
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Speaker 5: all wanted to bring to each of these respective portrayals

464
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting question because I don't know so much

466
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: of it not being shown before, right. I think this series,

467
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: this series has had a different intention than other projects

468
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: in the prior to it. It's just so far as

469
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: for one, we got to see both Martin and Malcolm

470
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: side by side. That's it, right, They're not being pitted

471
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: against each other, but we're seeing the ways in which

472
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: they're echoing to each other throughout history, from even the

473
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: time that they were little, Right. But then also there

474
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: was always a very concerted effort from Jump to really

475
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: make it so that the women are behind these men

476
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: but beside them. And when that is the energy being

477
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: brought from Rip before they even stepped foot into their

478
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: writer's room right while they're having their think take, when

479
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: that's the energy being presented from Junk, then I think

480
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: that offers new different nuance in the portrayals that we

481
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: may not have gotten from prior expressions of these four individuals,

482
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: and so then that was just exciting for us to

483
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: dive into because that that brought a lot, It brought

484
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: a lot what's the word, It opened dialogue. It opened

485
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Speaker 2: a lot of dialogue for us to then have with

486
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Speaker 2: our showrunners about Okay, well, this is the research that

487
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: we've done independently, and so I feel like I want

488
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: to bring this after the Betty's license to the story,

489
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: or I want to bring this aspect of Correta's lecense

490
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: to the story, because there was already an open invitation

491
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: to invest in that way. I remember talking. I felt

492
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: like I was like they could fire me right now,

493
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: because remember it was all like a week or two in.

494
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: We hadn't even done I think all we had done

495
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: was a table read at that point. And I'm in

496
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: it at Damien and Rats Door just like at Naus,

497
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Okay, so I want this is what we

498
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: need to need to highlight this, this needs to be

499
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: in the strip. I remember them looking at me like,

500
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: oh boy, okay, but that level of collaboration and just

501
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: like and really trusting us, trusting us to cover maybe

502
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: some blind spots about these women in the independent research

503
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: that we did was always it was always welcomed, and

504
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: so that that allowed at least I felt like I

505
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: could take risks in in in her journey in that

506
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: kind of way. She said, it's like she did it well.

507
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: I mean the collaboration thing I think is a big

508
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: thing as well, because but Maya, I feel like when

509
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: I got into her properly, that's when I was kind

510
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, no, I don't think I would say this.

511
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: So she's not going to use these words because this

512
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: is a woman who knows who she is. I mean

513
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: when I said, I found out and know what she was.

514
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: When on her wedding day she actually said to Martin,

515
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Speaker 2: I don't want to say these house because I'm not

516
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: about to be your glorified Well, let me use the

517
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: use the words in the script. I don't know how

518
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: it was, but she said something along the lines of

519
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: is it's got to be a partnership. I'm not going

520
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: to be the wife that becomes your your maid or

521
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: your or whatever or concubine. This is a partnership. And

522
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: he's like a's coom. That's that right with me. And

523
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: I remember even reading that and being like, oh, she

524
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: had you know, that's just shows her agency from there,

525
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Before she even got married,

526
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: she was like, Yo, I'm back with your wife. I'm

527
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: a Christian lady. I understand the concept of the husband

528
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: being the head and all that, but when we are

529
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: do want to do that, you know what I mean.

530
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: I'm here to serve you. You also serve me as

531
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: a partnership. It's not I'm not going to be a doormat.

532
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: And I remember reading that, and that also clicked in

533
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: me because at first I did think he had a

534
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: nice Christian lady until I did more research into her

535
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: and I was like, actually, she always has a fire,

536
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? She didn't wait for

537
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: Martin to to allow her. She had her agency and

538
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: that never went anywhere. She might have been creative about

539
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: it and wise and when to exert it or when

540
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: to exercise it, when to speak, when to you know,

541
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Speaker 2: be able to kick it quiet, And I think that's

542
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: wisdom in any shape, or for to talk when to

543
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: be quiet. But it's just stuff like that. When I

544
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: remember reading it, and then that kind of empowered me

545
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: and I was like, ah close this So when I

546
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: was reading some stuff. I was like, no, I don't

547
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 2: think she would speak like that, because this is a

548
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: woman who knows who she is and has known so

549
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: and they were very receptive to that, which was very

550
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: encouraging because then it gave us even more ownership and

551
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: allowed me to feel like, yeah, I really do know

552
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. I mean, we did spend what

553
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: five days a week for how many months being these women,

554
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: and so we have an idea of who they were

555
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: and what they would say and the things that matter

556
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: to them and what we'd also want to show about them, which,

557
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: like Jamie said, you know, the transition of her being

558
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: a young woman and then having children. And I love

559
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: the fact Jamie talks about how her voice changes and

560
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: her body changes, and that is the truth because in

561
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: that episode of When the Women Meet, I remember watching

562
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: it and both are verses.

563
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 5: Or we're like.

564
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Speaker 2: When I was first meet them, and we're like, I

565
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: love you, you know they and by the end of it

566
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: were like good to see, Yes, that is gonna be

567
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: what it's going to do. But you know, having these

568
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: journeys and being you know, being couraged and I wouldn't

569
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: say permissioned, because it was an encouragement and weekend with

570
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: our desires to do with it, and they honored it,

571
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: the showrunners, So that was that was great. Since encourage

572
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: that is so amazing, and kudos to you all for

573
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 2: advocating for the character right and it's been so interesting

574
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: to hear about the collaboration, your preparation. But we want

575
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: to shift up the energy a little bit and we

576
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: want to learn more about the humans behind the characters. Okay,

577
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: so get ready to get ready so on this podcast

578
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: because we recognize, appreciate, and celebrate the multifaceted woman, and

579
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: we believe that it's okay to be bougie, classy and ratchet.

580
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: You can still be elegant. Come on, come on, you

581
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: can still be elegant and dance to strip club music.

582
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: And so we want to invite you to the ou

583
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: Blatchett segment. Do you take on the challenge it? Oh

584
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: my business? Wait a minute. So now that we got them,

585
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: now that you have agreed, we're going to tell you

586
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: what to expect. So we're going to ask you three questions.

587
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: We're going to share three sentence completions, and then we

588
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: have three photos that each of you pulled up on

589
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: the big screen that will show you on the second.

590
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: It's from Oh my gosh, it's from Let's Go Row.

591
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 2: We're gonna have you choose a number out of one

592
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: in three or zero in three, right, and choose a number,

593
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: and we're gonna show that particular photo. And what we

594
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: want you to do is share some context about the

595
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: photo that we would not know just by looking at it.

596
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: So we're gonna make this. We're gonna we're gonna assign

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Speaker 2: you each one of these because we have both of you,

598
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: so that we won't take too long and we can

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Speaker 2: dive back into some of the other funk questions. So

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00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: we'll ease into this segment. I'm gonna start off with you, Jamie,

601
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to ask you what's the best piece

602
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: of wisdom or advice you've ever received? And then we're

603
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: gonna go right on over to Favory.

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Speaker 4: Cha.

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00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: Sorry, New York is really New Yorker right now, I

606
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: don't hear it or not a little bit of traffic. Whoo,

607
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: So what did you ask me? What's the best piece

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00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: of wisdom or advice? Mm? Hm, you've ever received? The

609
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: bad piece of advice? Will wisdom have ever received? I

610
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: think it's it's definitely something that my mama has said.

611
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 2: She's gonna love that I'm figging her up this much

612
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: I do. It's something that she's passed on to me.

613
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: But the way she's helped me to trust my discernment

614
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: and and and how she's helped me to get clarity

615
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: in my discernment and to keep it connected to my

616
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: faith and and yeah, how he's helping me, I should say,

617
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: because I'm in that space right now, navigating what is

618
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: discernment versus what is my seers and making sure that

619
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: I'm not cross reading the two. But she's not easy,

620
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Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd say, I'd say, I stay back. That's powerful,

621
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Speaker 2: thank you?

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Speaker 10: Okay, yes, that that was such a beautiful reflection.

623
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Speaker 5: And then we're goes, holy switch it up for you,

624
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 5: totally gonna switch it up. So I have four words

625
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 5: for you, work or two steps?

626
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might as well share your answer to Jamie.

627
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: What's you gonna do to work? Or two step? Mean

628
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: two step? I got a real good two step. She's

629
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Speaker 2: not going to mean two steps, but we're going to

630
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Speaker 2: work day. Mamma, pass it back to you. What is

631
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: the second exkis item you own? We all have business.

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Speaker 12: Now, I know, I know, I know you have any

633
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 12: sexy items?

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00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: And what'd you say? No cap? No cap? Now that

635
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 2: I do do all things? Coh, my god, the sexiest item? Okay, idol,

636
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: but I mean it's kind of an idol. But my

637
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: back here as soon as I feel like I know

638
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: she's shocked. Where is it? The dimple back pierce of

639
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: where is it? Right in those my you know, just

640
00:39:53,360 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: a good wells so cute. That's a good answer. Did

641
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: it hurt? Yeah, but not like it wasn't too bad?

642
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: Wasn't too bad. I literally was thinking about that yesterday.

643
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Speaker 2: So I'm okay, I'm at my I tried. I tried

644
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Speaker 2: to get him in Atlanta were filming. It's illegal. Oh

645
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Speaker 2: I feel like they were that. Yeah, get out? Who

646
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: knew what? I think? This is called a derma? Is

647
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: it a derma piercing? And that's illegal in Atlanta. There's

648
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: other places in out of Atlanta, in Georgia that you

649
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: could get it done. But what Yeah, so I just

650
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: came back to New York and then yeah, it does

651
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: get done.

652
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 5: Learn something new every day, right, Okay, So we're gonna

653
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 5: move on to our sentience completion all right, So wave route.

654
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 5: One question or topic you wis, let me get it together,

655
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: come to the Simpsons completion and not a question. One

656
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 5: question or topic I wish people ask me about more

657
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 5: often is.

658
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: Jesus. I'm not gonna lie. I knew that Jesus. I

659
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: want to talk about Jesus school day, every day. And

660
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: how people be like, oh, here she go again?

661
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 13: What I wanted to talk about him all the time

662
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 13: because I know what it's done for, So I just

663
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 13: want to share it the world.

664
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: Hallelu Dad's go ahead, you praise some girl. Good answer.

665
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: All right, So, Jamie, we're gonna move over to you

666
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: with the Simpsons completion. And this sentences completion is the

667
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: most embarrassing thing I've ever done to get my precious

668
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: attention is So it's like, Jamie, she fell off the chair.

669
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: I know there's a story here. Oh my goodness, I

670
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: can't wait to hear. No an embarrassing thing I've done

671
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: to get your cruscious attention. Everything happens. Okay, let me

672
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: tell let me honestly, what's going on in my head?

673
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: I have saying that I'm like, I can't say that

674
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: that's rue. We understand. Mm hmmm, mm hmm. I, thinking back,

675
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: the most embarrassing thing I did to get a precious

676
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: attention honestly when I would okay, and not to say

677
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: how old I was. I was nineteen and there was

678
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: a there was a basement party, and I assessed this

679
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: individual across the way.

680
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 14: And I said, oh, you know, what will be a

681
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 14: break vibe right now to get us to connect is

682
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 14: if I play some chief key And so I took that.

683
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: No, no, it wasn't she. It was Quotac Black, and

684
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: I switched the music to Kodak Black and he came alive.

685
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: And as he came alive, that was my entry way

686
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: to then say, well, I also you know, and then things,

687
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: you know, things transpire it.

688
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, oh, And that's what's actually even funnier, because

689
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 9: oh jesus, my business, my business, my business from here

690
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 9: for it's funnier, and it's levels because the party was

691
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 9: at an excess place.

692
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: And I almost didn't go, but I did because he

693
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: was supposed to be there. And so then me and

694
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: this other guy are you know, didn't know each other,

695
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: and asking him to know each other, my ex comes

696
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: falling death down the stairs and I'm seeing there quatching

697
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: for dear life. And the guy I'm right next to.

698
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: All he does is he says he yo, you good,

699
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: and are sitting there going oh damn a damn, and

700
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: so my ex is embarrassed or his curved on topping

701
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: to right there, and I didn't say a thing. Yeah,

702
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: that's story. I have visualized the entire.

703
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Speaker 3: Show.

704
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: I love this. That was good, thank you. I like that. Okay, okay,

705
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: that was.

706
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, our final sentience completion and this is

707
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 5: for both of you to answer. What I love most

708
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 5: about myself is.

709
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: What I love most about myself is I think I

710
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: think the space I make for others. I think I

711
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: really like that about me that I can be It's

712
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: it's I've not yet heard anybody say that they don't

713
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: either feel safe around me, or that they feel like

714
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: they or that they can't trust me, And that means

715
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: a lot to me. So that, yeah, that's true. I

716
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: love that. That's so true. I like the fact that

717
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 2: I can make people long. I think I enjoy seeing

718
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: people smile because of me, something I do, even if

719
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: it's even if I look stupid doing it. I just

720
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: like to see people smile and laugh around me. And

721
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: I think I do that quite Yeah, that's the that's.

722
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 13: The thing I want to remember as the girl who

723
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 13: made people see.

724
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeahs sweet, it's so sweet, good cook so awesome. It's

725
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: so awesome right right, like, oh I got Okay, So

726
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: now this may or may not be wholesome, we'll see.

727
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: But what we want you to do, Weave, root Ja

728
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: and Jamie, is choose a number out of one and

729
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: three and let us know when you have your number,

730
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to share each of your respective

731
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: photos on the big screen. We'll start with you, Weave

732
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: j and we want you to give us some context

733
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: about this photo that we would not know by looking

734
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: at it. And if you could also describe the photos,

735
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: since viewers will not be seeing the photo, describe the

736
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: photo and then provide the context. So what number? Crazy?

737
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: But I want number two? Number two? Okay, let's see

738
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: number two. Oh this is really dope. Okay, before let

739
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: me let me blow it up real quick so we

740
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: can see it. Okay, great, I'm going to share the

741
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: screen and your picture. You see it? Not yet I don't.

742
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: It's so good.

743
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 6: Oh wenesday, Okay, the photo.

744
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 2: I think I'm on America's next top model I'm doing

745
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: a little bend back. It was a photo shoot for

746
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: Guardian newspaper. I think it was in twenty twenty, the

747
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: year I made Destroy You came out and so I

748
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: was named as one of the when somebody one of

749
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: the one hundred best things of twenty twenty or something

750
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: like that, and so I think it was actually my

751
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: first main newspaper spread. And I had have a long ponytail,

752
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: a cute ass pair of white pants and my booty

753
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: looks good, come out boody, and I was like, you're

754
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: bad shoes what I was trying to do? And I

755
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: look cute? What was funny? Let me see? Well, the

756
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: hair was really tight, I'll say that because the hairstylist,

757
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: I remember at one point and I thought I was

758
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: gonna pass out legit, and then she took when I think,

759
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: you know what, They put the thing around your head

760
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 2: to keep the edges down, and she took it off

761
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: and I could actually feel blood rushed back into it.

762
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: Made okay, But yeah, this was a big moment for

763
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: me because I remember when the oh yes, and then

764
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: my back hurt because I did in America's Next Top

765
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 2: Model pose bending all the way back and that that

766
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: bad don't do what it used to do. That is

767
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: so fun. Thank you. Wait route Okay, Damien, we're gonna

768
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: get your number. What number are you gonna select and

769
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: put your photo off on the big screen? Girl three?

770
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is really good. Okay, ready, this is

771
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 2: like a couple and oh lord, oh.

772
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 10: Okay one okay, Wow, the tipsies are on a whole

773
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 10: other leave book.

774
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: So this is a picture Jaunty in Woman King. I

775
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: took a photo of because I loved head dress that

776
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: they handmade. Also the wigs that they handmade. I mean

777
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: it was unreal. And watching Yeah, all the shout out

778
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: to that entire hair, makeup and costume department on that show,

779
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: because it was crazy. So this is one of the looks.

780
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: This is when. This is when old Girl thought she

781
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: was about to be crowned the Woman King and sadly

782
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: did not.

783
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 15: Yeah, and I I took this photo funnily funny enough.

784
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: I believe I just finished coming out of a having

785
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: a stomach glue or stomach virus. We're filming in South Africa.

786
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 10: And.

787
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've gotten I just had gotten sick. And

788
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: that was around the time where you still want sure

789
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: if it's COVID or what was going on. But it

790
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: was a it was a stomach bug that it was

791
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: going around at the time, and yeah, I was just

792
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: feeling better and I was feeling myself and I said,

793
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: let's take a picture because it's giving. It's giving. But

794
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: when I posted it and get my business. You know,

795
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: we did this thing when we come out of a

796
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: breakup where we want the other person to know you

797
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: donet messed up bad. I'm posting this because sir, you're

798
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: messed up and she lost Look what you lost this. Yeah,

799
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: thank y'all so much for playing along with that for

800
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: the ou Blackches segment. This was so fun and we

801
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: just want to thank you. We want to close out

802
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: with a couple more questions, just to see if you

803
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: want to share anything particular with our listeners, if there's

804
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: a way that they can support you. But this has

805
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: been so good. It's such a great conversation, so let

806
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: us Yes, this is I feel like I'm look, I

807
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: shared more of my business than I think I would like.

808
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: That's that's different, Jamie. I'm normally the overshare, but I'm

809
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: so happy to girl tea. Yeah, but it was all

810
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: up in your business. This was so great. I guess

811
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: in closing, let our listeners know like how they can

812
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: support you. Is there any other any call actions that

813
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: you want to share with them, because I know they're

814
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: gonna want to be in touch with you now that

815
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: they know more about you. In addition to the characters

816
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: that you play, just say keep everybody, just keep doing

817
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: you and use your voice stand on business. It would

818
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: be the fabulous person you are, like one life to

819
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: live you go, that's it, right.

820
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 15: Yeah, and watch the show and tell people about it.

821
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 15: But because no, honestly, because but be real, in our community,

822
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 15: things got to be word of mouth, right.

823
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: We gotta we gotta feel like somebody else in our

824
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: community has vetted for us before we figure out if

825
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: we want to sit down and watch it. And it's

826
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: specifically with this show, there's all kinds of feelings around,

827
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: oh why are they telling this again? And another one

828
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: also is this gonna isn't even good? And who's doing it?

829
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: And all of those questions that we have that we

830
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: actually should have. I hope that people we watch it

831
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: and then we can tell each other like actually we

832
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: can trust this, we can trust this, we can enjoy this,

833
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: and we can learn something.

834
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 5: Yes, Now tell the people where they can watch it

835
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 5: because they need to watch it.

836
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: They need to we can. How can they find it?

837
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: You can catch it on Disney Pleas and Hulu. Its

838
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: streams on Disney Pleasant Hulu. It comes on not National

839
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: Graphic their channel on Thursdays, but it starts streaming new episodes.

840
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: The final two episodes are streaming this Friday. You're on

841
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: Disney Plus and Hulu. Yeah, okay, Hey, thank you so much. Ladies.

842
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, and we we'll be tuning in and

843
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: be following you on social and we'll be keeping in touch.

844
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time you.

845
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 5: Hey, lady, it's doctor dom here from the Cultivating her

846
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 5: Space podcast. Are you currently a resident of the state

847
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 5: of California and contemplating starting your therapy journey? Well, if so,

848
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 5: please reach out to me at doctor Dominique Brusard dot com.

849
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852
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 5: I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks for joining

853
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 5: us today. Please note that our show may contain conversations

854
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 5: about self help advice, self empowerment and mental health, but

855
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 5: is by no means meant to be a substitute for

856
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 5: an ongoing formal relationship with a trained mental health provider.

857
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 5: If you are someone you know is in need of

858
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,880
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