Speaker 1: Look mare, Oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture?
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, lost cult.
Speaker 1: Dat lost Culturista calling.
Speaker 2: We are bathed in the morning light.
Speaker 1: We've been doing this series of Morning Time on Tuesday
Speaker 1: mornings to get you that episode fresh on Wednesday with
Speaker 1: all the latest hippis cutting edge culture that you deserve, Readers.
Speaker 2: Did you ever catch those commercials for that store Tuesday
Speaker 2: Morning that Lauren Boocall would do, like a somewhat older
Speaker 2: Lauren book call. This is after high Point Coffee, high
Speaker 2: Point Coffee, way after high Point Coffee, so after she
Speaker 2: was already a commercial icon. Absolutely, My favorite time of
Speaker 2: day is night. What is it about the high Point
Speaker 2: Coffee commercials. It's just that she's like delivering with such
Speaker 2: vim gusto, gusto. Yeah, it's coffee, but there's no caffeine
Speaker 2: in it. High Point is just decaf right.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I don't know much about
Speaker 1: high Point, and you know that I learned about this
Speaker 1: commercial on this podcast. Yes, on Greta Titleman's first episode.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know about this, and then it was
Speaker 1: a culture untold, which is the culture most alluring type
Speaker 1: of culture.
Speaker 2: Oh, is that potential early title of EP contender culture untold.
Speaker 2: Let me just do a quick google. Yes, Tuesday Morning.
Speaker 2: She's in the back of the limo with her dog
Speaker 2: in her lap sometimes, or she's just sitting on a
Speaker 2: couch just being like, that's.
Speaker 1: Why I go to Tuesday Morning. See what you're getting
Speaker 1: exactly as advertised with MS Mama. You know she shows up,
Speaker 1: Miss Lauren Becall is going to give you grand dom
Speaker 1: in the cleanest, most official sense.
Speaker 2: Yes. I think she is the model for grand dom
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. And we need to actually
Speaker 2: broaden our scope sometimes when it comes to culture. I
Speaker 2: think if you listen to this podcast RINOs Katie's Publicist Finalists,
Speaker 2: you know that our point of view is as very
Speaker 2: specifically gay millennials, we're not going to know too much
Speaker 2: about stuff before and we're not going to know now.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily true, because sometimes you whip out some
Speaker 1: facts and I'm going to pat myself on the back
Speaker 1: enough to say, sometimes I whip out some facts from
Speaker 1: yester year. Yes, yes, yes, don't patch the ball onto me, honey,
Speaker 1: you're at one half of culture is what's your favorite
Speaker 1: fact of yesteryear?
Speaker 2: What is your favorite cultural fact of yesteryear. Go on, Well,
Speaker 2: I'm on the spot now. My favorite cultural fact of yesteryear.
Speaker 1: Yes, of any fact, well, this is.
Speaker 2: I'm still obsessed with this whole thing. Speaking of Lord,
Speaker 2: but called slid Keith discovered her. I think, are you
Speaker 2: still watching food? Is this something you really put into
Speaker 2: act as per your research? No longer. I was mostly
Speaker 2: motivated to consume as much Truman Componi material as possible
Speaker 2: with the hopes that I would get to do him
Speaker 2: on weekend. Yeah, that was all now, and I'm being
Speaker 2: transparent about it. And now I don't think I'll keep
Speaker 2: watching that show, even though I really commend.
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, you have seen more than enough, clearly because
Speaker 1: you bodied Truman. You really embodied embodied.
Speaker 2: Thank you, girl.
Speaker 1: I just wish I was there to play Slim to
Speaker 1: destroy me. No, I would have been an excellent babe,
Speaker 1: like just shaking in a corner like Naomi watsing all
Speaker 1: over the place.
Speaker 2: I do love Naomi in that show, you do. I'm
Speaker 2: very happy to see Naomi back in action, weren't you.
Speaker 1: Well, she never really left, you know. I just think
Speaker 1: the thing with Darling May is she often picks a
Speaker 1: project that's like Darling Ney. Why this Like remember her
Speaker 1: Netflix sheild like a sexy thriller on Netflix, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, I tried to watch me a oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: and it was unreal. It's just how boring it is.
Speaker 1: But there's a show on Netflix that fully starred Naomi
Speaker 1: Wats and Billy crud.
Speaker 2: Up, the two most beautiful people in the world.
Speaker 1: Gypsy. Gypsy is what it was called, okay? Gypsy was
Speaker 1: an American drama thriller series created by Lisa Rubin for Netflix.
Speaker 1: Naomi Watts stars as Gene Holloway, a psychologist who secretly
Speaker 1: infiltrates the private lives of her patients. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think the way she this psychologist is like a kooky lady.
Speaker 1: The way she thinks she can help her patients is
Speaker 1: by like getting in their lives.
Speaker 2: Of all good things with the name entitled Gypsy, which
Speaker 2: we can't even get into, just like the weirdness we've
Speaker 2: just accepted.
Speaker 1: Gypsy is this like name of things? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean of one hundred percent? And you know what
Speaker 1: else I'm reading in this Wikipedia Stevie Nicks re recorded
Speaker 1: an acoustic version of her fell Gypsy just serves the
Speaker 1: show's theme song.
Speaker 2: I'm sure didn't deserve that.
Speaker 1: Not only is this using the word gypsy, it's got
Speaker 1: Stevie back in the booth for one season.
Speaker 2: But to reconfigure one of her best songs for the
Speaker 2: show that I guess no one remembers. That's really sad
Speaker 2: to me. And I don't know if all the things
Speaker 2: named gypsy, that's you have to come in with the strongness,
Speaker 2: the strength if you're gonna have a title gypsy.
Speaker 1: Wait, you did this come out in? This came out recently?
Speaker 1: This was twenty seventeen. Oh okay, well like eight years ago.
Speaker 1: I guess that's wow? Is that not recent? Seven years ago? Seventeen?
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen is a tough era for me. Viv deciding
Speaker 1: if that was just recently?
Speaker 2: I love your silent s's on viz a V.
Speaker 1: Is it not supposed to be Viv? It should be
Speaker 1: Visa V.
Speaker 2: You can say it?
Speaker 1: He re won well who says the French In the
Speaker 1: words of Selena Gomez, who says, yeah, have you heard
Speaker 1: Selena's new song love on not Wait?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 1: It's crazy? She and I really do share a brain.
Speaker 1: I think like that's the song I would write. Really, really,
Speaker 1: why are making for soon over this steak tartar when
Speaker 1: we could be That's one of the lines. Wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: I want to read the lyrics to you because you're
Speaker 1: gonna love this love on lyrics. Okay, ready, Yeah, Why
Speaker 1: are we conversing over this steak tartar when we could
Speaker 1: be somewhere other than here making out in the back
Speaker 1: of a car, or in the back of a bar,
Speaker 1: or we can make a memoir. Yeah, on the back
Speaker 1: wall of the last stall in the bathroom at the Bizarre.
Speaker 2: The Bizarre has the bathroom with stalls. I don't know
Speaker 2: about that. I don't think The Bizarre has plumbing.
Speaker 1: I know about it. Honestly, these are lyrics. I very
Speaker 1: rarely listen to people who cannot sing. I listened to singers,
Speaker 1: and I listened to writers, and we love Selena. She
Speaker 1: continues to release songs.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I sometimes would rather be conversing over steak
Speaker 2: tartar with someone instead of making it with him in
Speaker 2: the back of a car. It depends on you made
Speaker 2: out with someone in the back of a car.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a really good question. And I never was
Speaker 1: one of those people that liked making out in ubers
Speaker 1: like it actually really makes me feel very uncomfortable for
Speaker 1: the driver me too. I don't like when people act
Speaker 1: in a manner that would suggest that person that's driving
Speaker 1: us isn't there, because it's just simply not true. Like,
Speaker 1: and you're in their car, you're in their space, they're
Speaker 1: providing a service for you that like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: getting their car dirty, their office dirty. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: get things dirty around me when I make out in them.
Speaker 1: I don't really know a big pen over here.
Speaker 2: I just mean like, you're being a little floppy and
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. I'm not saying there's anything gross about two
Speaker 2: people that kissing.
Speaker 1: I think there is sometimes some times. Yeah, you ever
Speaker 1: see people kissing, you're likew.
Speaker 2: Iw oh, wait, I can answer this question. I had
Speaker 2: a recent thing where it was and I wasn't proud
Speaker 2: of this, and I kind of felt pressured into it.
Speaker 1: What making out in the back of a car.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm not saying this was like probably nothing
Speaker 2: was violatory, but it was.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Kyle Muna used to have this stretch Limo that would
Speaker 2: come and that would be his car after every.
Speaker 1: Show I've heard of the legend of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the Christmas show, I think for some reason,
Speaker 2: like it's been a couple of seasons since Kyle's been
Speaker 2: on and the Stretch Limo has been sort of out
Speaker 2: of rotation. But for some reason, at the Christmas show
Speaker 2: this year, the Stretch Lomo showed up again and then
Speaker 2: our lovely transport coordinator after the show is like, bo,
Speaker 2: you want the limo tonight? I was like, I was
Speaker 2: with Jared and our friend and it was basically like
Speaker 2: we were like, let's take the limo and it was
Speaker 2: such a funny vibe. And then on the way home,
Speaker 2: Aron took his own car home. Then I had someone
Speaker 2: who lived by me, someone kind of glombed onto the
Speaker 2: limo because they were like, I live by you. Can
Speaker 2: I hit you right? I was like, yes, I have
Speaker 2: a stretch Limo please. And then one thing led to another,
Speaker 2: and then on the way back, like it was driver,
Speaker 2: roll up the partition please, which we'll get back to
Speaker 2: because the year is twenty thirteen, huh, And then like
Speaker 2: things started happening and I was like, wait, this feels crazy,
Speaker 2: and not even in like a fun, sexy, dangerous way.
Speaker 2: Like things happened in the back of the limo and
Speaker 2: I was like it was fun I don't feel icky
Speaker 2: or bad or anything, but I was thinking about the driver.
Speaker 1: But you just know that someone was on the other
Speaker 1: side of the partition, please, and that made you feel.
Speaker 2: Self conscious a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's totally fair, right. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I just know, well one time I was told by
Speaker 1: an uber river one time, no romance, and that made
Speaker 1: me feel well. First of all, I never forgot that
Speaker 1: he said no romance in the back seat because then
Speaker 1: I picture what I was doing in the back seat
Speaker 1: is like being so Rachel, so Rachel McAdams, Like I
Speaker 1: pictured myself like making out with whoever the fuck that was,
Speaker 1: just like looking so stunning, like my auburn locks, like
Speaker 1: in my hair like I've just burned my hair askew
Speaker 1: like but still in my eyes. You see the star quality,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like very Rachel McAdams. It's
Speaker 1: the poster for the Val that movie, The Vaal And
Speaker 1: just like a couple buttons like unbuttoned, like a tousled really,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like me just like sort
Speaker 1: of like in the back room of a bizarre like
Speaker 1: sort of just like being very sexy, and you know,
Speaker 1: just guys like being a sort of like unable to
Speaker 1: resist me, and then I think about this guy no romance,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit. And ever since then, I've not
Speaker 1: been able to really connect to that part of me
Speaker 1: that is tousled Rachel McAdams in the back room of
Speaker 1: a bizarre I just haven't been able to connect to
Speaker 1: her and she lives inside me except through Selena obviously.
Speaker 1: Well thank god for Selena and her most recent releases, really,
Speaker 1: because I don't think I can ever feel sexy and
Speaker 1: flirty again. Until Selena Gomes released these songs, something broke
Speaker 1: inside me. And only until recently when I heard Selena
Speaker 1: coole these songs have I been ready to really tackle
Speaker 1: the world again. And her releases well do you.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to quickly shout out
Speaker 2: to James Anderson, famous legendary SNL writer known for his
Speaker 2: insane names for characters.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites is a fictional name.
Speaker 2: Rohnda Releasings and the last name of releases Releasings as
Speaker 2: the last name. If your last name is releas Things,
Speaker 2: that's incredible. How did you come up with that? But
Speaker 2: also I think one way to heal if Bilena had
Speaker 2: not come out with these releases. One way you could
Speaker 2: have healed was if you had romance to the driver
Speaker 2: at some point, and you still can't.
Speaker 1: I've never been able to pull that off either. I've
Speaker 1: never had this thing where like me got last night,
Speaker 1: so like that's never people would people talk like this happens.
Speaker 1: I can't believe people do that.
Speaker 2: They're in a pornography.
Speaker 1: These people need to get their heads out of the
Speaker 1: clouds and their bodies out of pornographic films period period.
Speaker 1: Have you ever ever ever felt like you've been in
Speaker 1: a situation where you could take it to the next
Speaker 1: level with any driver or deliberty person or someone you encounter.
Speaker 1: In a situation like that, I would feel just beside
Speaker 1: myself with worry that this would go left. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: always the potential.
Speaker 2: I guess you and I are pretty like, Oh yes,
Speaker 2: Anna producer Anna is bringing up a great recent pop
Speaker 2: culture sort of bit which is sutten on Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: She hooked up with her She made up with her driver.
Speaker 1: But that's like her driver that drivers are all the time.
Speaker 1: Like some of these people out here will really say
Speaker 1: things like, oh yeah, I really got into it last
Speaker 1: night with my Uber driver, and I'm like, huh, if
Speaker 1: you looked up with an uber driver, I want to
Speaker 1: know about it.
Speaker 2: I want to know the play by play, like how
Speaker 2: like what how did it build up?
Speaker 1: What was the aftercare? I would just my thing is
Speaker 1: just like I would always feel like it was. I
Speaker 1: guess it would be too inappropriate to be sexy for
Speaker 1: me right on the outset. Like one time, years ago,
Speaker 1: years ago, an uber driver asked me repeatedly if I
Speaker 1: liked sex, and I felt like it was awful and
Speaker 1: a violation from the second he started talking, so I
Speaker 1: couldn't even engage in whether or not he was attractive
Speaker 1: or not, Like that was not computing for me. It
Speaker 1: was like I had an opening with an uber driver
Speaker 1: one time, and I was just like, h fixated on
Speaker 1: the fact that it was my Uber driver, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was like, just get me to
Speaker 1: and fro. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Some people can maybe transcend the transaction of it all
Speaker 2: or they like that, which I love. We're not here
Speaker 2: to shame that.
Speaker 1: If it's get your nut off wherever in the back
Speaker 1: of a bizar, in the back of a car, wherever
Speaker 1: Selena Gomez could rhyme, I want you to fuck there
Speaker 1: if you feel empowered to do it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even do it in a stall, to be honest,
Speaker 2: speaking of Selena.
Speaker 1: Because not for nothing, but I'm not great at having
Speaker 1: sex standing up right, Let's just say it's not my angle.
Speaker 1: I want some cushioning, that's all. Yeah. Are we proud
Speaker 1: members of the starfish community.
Speaker 2: I am a huge starfish. Although I'm known to move,
Speaker 2: I'm known to to get a little spry, but I
Speaker 2: love starfishing absolutely.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone here, meaning the two of us,
Speaker 1: doesn't love starfishing. I mean, like, I think you'd be
Speaker 1: lying to say you didn't enjoy a little starfish action
Speaker 1: now and then. But sometimes, you know, it depends on
Speaker 1: who I am that night, what persona I am sort
Speaker 1: of putting on, because sexually I can be so many
Speaker 1: different people. I really can.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like your driver could have really known
Speaker 2: it all this. It's a simple question. Really, it's a
Speaker 2: simple question. Really do you like sex? Will do you?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: From?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Absolute menace? I don't know you are a menace. What
Speaker 1: do you mean you are? You have a menace? You
Speaker 1: are a mini I have known this, but I don't
Speaker 1: know about this. I am leaning into trickster energy.
Speaker 2: I want to be.
Speaker 1: I don't know what your vibe is today, but you
Speaker 1: got on the zoom and you've been a menace all morning.
Speaker 1: I have done nothing of this sort. Are you returning
Speaker 1: to your improv roots. I'm returning to my improv roots.
Speaker 2: Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson are doing Bellhouse improv shows,
Speaker 2: three prop shows. It's the two of them plus the
Speaker 2: guest every month. I'm sure you're gonna do one with them.
Speaker 2: Sometimes No, because I think that, well, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 2: I have the same hang ups about improv, like it's
Speaker 2: so funny. It's like it was my first love and
Speaker 2: now it's like truly an ex I've forgotten about for
Speaker 2: years on purpose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like if the next if you saw again,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, like it would be like a
Speaker 1: whole thing. I saw improv against tonight that was so weird.
Speaker 1: It really brought me back so weird.
Speaker 2: Improv like is jogging and looks really healthy but not good.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: The thing about you though, with improv is you had
Speaker 1: like a long term relationship with improv, and I think
Speaker 1: you guys broke up in a way that was very healthy,
Speaker 1: and like you agreed that the relationship was good for you.
Speaker 1: Me and Improv like had bad sex five times and
Speaker 1: just kept trying. And now it's like we see each
Speaker 1: other and it's just like hey, and I just feel
Speaker 1: like I'm such a better different version I was when
Speaker 1: I was having sex with Improv and it didn't go
Speaker 1: well that I almost feel like I feel like I
Speaker 1: have something to prove to Improv, but like I don't,
Speaker 1: like I've done so many other sexual activities with so
Speaker 1: many other like artistic outlets, and like I feel like
Speaker 1: I've really had like fulfilling relationships outside of Improv. But
Speaker 1: there's something about, like I do want to fuck improv
Speaker 1: and like have it be mind blowing. That's what it's about.
Speaker 2: Improv is not that good at improvably. I think what
Speaker 2: happened stuck too many fingers in you.
Speaker 1: At the same time, I think I my problem was
Speaker 1: I said too many fingers were okay, And that's the
Speaker 1: disability I'm going to take. The accountable I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: is I knew I couldn't handle three fingers in my
Speaker 1: hole from improv at nineteen years old. I should have
Speaker 1: known that but I think this is what happened.
Speaker 3: Matt.
Speaker 2: You said three fingers, three fingers, and then improv went
Speaker 2: four flat karate chop hand inside, and you would.
Speaker 1: See, I have to tell you something. I wish that
Speaker 1: that were true, But improv never tried to take it
Speaker 1: too far with me. I said I was ready for
Speaker 1: something that I wasn't just stepping outside of this. Do
Speaker 1: you remember early early early sexual experience.
Speaker 2: You're about to say where, like where you where you're wait?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 1: What did you say?
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to bring up a specific
Speaker 2: improv group that we were in for like two seconds?
Speaker 1: No, I'm actually I'm sort of floating away from the improv.
Speaker 1: Well le's we gotta float away from it. But you
Speaker 1: can see Bowen to improv with Josh and Aaron next
Speaker 1: month March eighteenth at the Bell House. Two shows.
Speaker 2: They're both sold out. A calm, there should be standby experience.
Speaker 1: Stay in line if you're in line for Bowen Yang
Speaker 1: and Josh and Aaron. Stay in line. If you get
Speaker 1: in line now, they will let you in. That will
Speaker 1: be pathetic. Eaddn't what were you gonna say? Oh? Sexually?
Speaker 1: Like you remember like being like eighteen nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: like whatever it was that you had your first sexual experiences.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that was around that time, right, same as me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just remember being like yeah, put it in yeah,
Speaker 1: like without knowing what the fuck that was gonna feel like,
Speaker 1: and then feeling what that felt like the first time,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I remember the screaming I did, like
Speaker 1: a little bandsheet. It should be so much easier than
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: There is just to at least in the time that
Speaker 2: we were growing up. There's too many unknowns, too much.
Speaker 2: There is this YouTuber now who God lessons.
Speaker 1: I hope he does what I think he does, which
Speaker 1: just like teaches people how to have anal sex.
Speaker 2: He teaches Okay, it's the Bottoms Digest. It's a YouTube
Speaker 2: channel called the Bottoms Digest. It's this wonderful person double entendre.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's very fun, right, very clever, and he just like
Speaker 2: does these great videos about like how to wash your
Speaker 2: douche bulbs, like how to avoid hemorrhoids, how to take
Speaker 2: big dicks, like yeah, and it's really educational and informed.
Speaker 2: And I can't seem to find his name, but he's
Speaker 2: this really wonderful person and every video he's like how
Speaker 2: could you possibly have known this? The education on this
Speaker 2: is nonexistent. Don't feel bad about not knowing this. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell you. And like this is exactly what like
Speaker 2: any kind of queer sex is, specifically like anal sex
Speaker 2: with a pani. Like it's not that it's like wrong
Speaker 2: or bad or crazy, it's just that like we don't
Speaker 2: know how to go about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need instructions on how to do it at all,
Speaker 1: do it successfully, do it enjoyably, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like there needs to be a roadmap when it comes
Speaker 1: to this type of thing. And I remember, like when
Speaker 1: I was first having sex or trying to have sex,
Speaker 1: I felt like I made like two or three attempts,
Speaker 1: and because it was so painful and I just couldn't
Speaker 1: see like a path forward to me enjoying it, I
Speaker 1: kind of just stopped. I kind of just stopped trying.
Speaker 1: And I you know, I make a joke now, like
Speaker 1: I used to frot all around New York City, but
Speaker 1: I really was humping everything in sight. I was the
Speaker 1: frat king because you know, I was sort of a
Speaker 1: side icon. I was just like you could not put
Speaker 1: it in me, you could not do it, and it's
Speaker 1: a shame because those were our prime year those were
Speaker 1: our prime years. Enough for nothing. I'm proud of what
Speaker 1: I have now. But I had like a rock and
Speaker 1: like huge, like twink ass when I was like in
Speaker 1: my early twenties that I really wish I could have
Speaker 1: blown the city away with.
Speaker 2: I don't think it went anywhere. I think you can why.
Speaker 1: Looking at my butt? I I'm not lucky. God do
Speaker 1: you want to blow through the city.
Speaker 2: I think that ass can still.
Speaker 1: Godzilla can still boh damage. You can't look at my butt.
Speaker 1: It's not for you, no hands.
Speaker 2: Off, It's for society. Can I just quickly? I just
Speaker 2: want to share this. I really wanted to share this
Speaker 2: on the podcast. I was really lucky to be asked
Speaker 2: to be part of this benefit concert that Philip Glass
Speaker 2: does every year, and it.
Speaker 1: Was just really special.
Speaker 2: Every year he has on these wonderful musical performances that
Speaker 2: support to Beethouse US and it's just all about like
Speaker 2: anti war and pacifism and it's all about just like
Speaker 2: coming together. It's all these things that like I've gotten
Speaker 2: so jaden on but just with the way that news
Speaker 2: has been lately, I forgot that, like this was always
Speaker 2: there that this is like a network that has existed
Speaker 2: and is trying to like make things good in a
Speaker 2: very humanist way. And Joan Baez was there, and yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Got a picture with Johan Bayez.
Speaker 2: I just got to dance backstage with her, I got
Speaker 2: to talk to her, I just got to like soak
Speaker 2: in her energy. She is eighty three years old. She
Speaker 2: has a vibrancy and a youthfulness and just the energy
Speaker 2: is incredible. This woman is like so just a completely
Speaker 2: sharp and serene and so like alive and it's just
Speaker 2: like cracking jokes with me and like she just this
Speaker 2: woman is in her damn thirties. It seems like energetically
Speaker 2: not that like the number really matters, but like this
Speaker 2: is someone who has seen a lot of life and
Speaker 2: a lot of tragedy and a lot of hardship and
Speaker 2: has seen her friends get arrested for like protesting wars
Speaker 2: and has seen MLK like up close and personal and
Speaker 2: has had to suffer through that loss and just these
Speaker 2: different movements kind of coming and going, but she has
Speaker 2: been so steadfast and wavering in all of them. And
Speaker 2: she is an incredible musician on top of that. And
Speaker 2: you know it was her. It was Laurie Anderson, who
Speaker 2: is this like legendary performance artist basically like invented the
Speaker 2: votecoder as far as I'm concerned, not really, but like
Speaker 2: her and that French guy anyway. But it was Laurie
Speaker 2: running this with Philip. Matthew Rogers was there. I saw
Speaker 2: Maya Hawk, Christian Lee Hudson, just an incredible energy of
Speaker 2: just amazing artists. And then Philip Glass himself showed up
Speaker 2: just like taking it all in. He is he doesn't
Speaker 2: play the piano anymore, but I think he still just
Speaker 2: like understands that, like he created this thing that his
Speaker 2: work stands for this and Hal Wilner used to read
Speaker 2: Alan Ginsburg poetry. They've had like Colbert read it, like
Speaker 2: Keanu Reeves. Wead all these random people now me among them,
Speaker 2: random guys reading this Alan Ginsburg poem and Carnegie Hall
Speaker 2: it stirn auditoriums really spad. It was at night I'll
Speaker 2: never forget, and it just it came off of the
Speaker 2: heels of like a really weird couple months at work,
Speaker 2: I'll say, And it was just very life affirming in
Speaker 2: a way that I need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds very fortifying. Yeah, that's really really really nice.
Speaker 1: I'm happy you got to have that experience. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is it's really important. I think in like such
Speaker 1: a in a goal time, I'm incredible to be around
Speaker 1: people that are still pushing forward and still singing the
Speaker 1: same song as the words they have been for decades,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, one of peace and you know
Speaker 1: that that actually there's like a group of people which
Speaker 1: is the focus is the positive and how to move
Speaker 1: forward and how to move out of a time of
Speaker 1: violence and anger, and it's just really beautiful.
Speaker 2: We all literally sang the same song that they have
Speaker 2: been for decades, which was we all sang we shall overcome.
Speaker 2: At the end, Joan Baiez like leading the audience of
Speaker 2: thousands to saying we shall overcome. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe. And I like thanked her afterwards. I
Speaker 2: was like I never thought that would happen. I'm so honored,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. And then Joan says this
Speaker 2: thing now we're like I think she was on Colbert
Speaker 2: the past year where Colbert was asking her like what
Speaker 2: did you make of things happening now? Like how do
Speaker 2: we get through this time and she's like, you know,
Speaker 2: like everyone now says, oh, I wish I could have
Speaker 2: been part of the sixties or all these different movements,
Speaker 2: because you guys had all the music and the politics
Speaker 2: were you know, very specific and tense, and it all
Speaker 2: paired together nicely with that. But she goes, what we
Speaker 2: had back then was the glue, and what we're missing
Speaker 2: now is the glue that the sense that we can
Speaker 2: all do this thing together.
Speaker 1: And I don't think we have that. And I think
Speaker 1: but for a.
Speaker 2: Fleeting moment you can see it sort of like within
Speaker 2: reach on a night like last night, and it was
Speaker 2: just a huge honor. So I was very grateful to
Speaker 2: be a part of that. I mean, Joan Biez is finalist,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking to myself, like what if
Speaker 1: she was, like by the way I identify as a finalist.
Speaker 1: I used to like her podcast, but I don't like
Speaker 1: it anymore.
Speaker 2: You guys are too filtered now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I was just thinking like her talking about like,
Speaker 1: you know, there used to be like an assurance in
Speaker 1: the sixties that there was this glue, and you know,
Speaker 1: wondering if we still have it now. I think we
Speaker 1: do have it now in that like, you guys could
Speaker 1: all gather at that event last night and like have
Speaker 1: such an almost unspoken common purpose and you really all
Speaker 1: know why you're there. I think that that is still there,
Speaker 1: like it's always been there. There are people that want
Speaker 1: to see change and positive change. But I do think
Speaker 1: that there are so many pockets of distraction now and
Speaker 1: so many ways in which we can get discouraged because
Speaker 1: of the Internet and because of the way that media
Speaker 1: thrives now, which is in that push and pull in
Speaker 1: between pessimism and optimism, between like I guess like conservative
Speaker 1: and progressive. It just feels like there's so much tug
Speaker 1: of war going on that it can feel really distracting.
Speaker 1: But I think even the fact that you guys were
Speaker 1: able to gather last night and we still can like
Speaker 1: think about, you know, the hope that we felt, you know,
Speaker 1: generation to generation when it comes to these songs, when
Speaker 1: it comes to these people, when it comes to these
Speaker 1: ideas that obviously, like you can't leave a night last
Speaker 1: night and think, well, hope is lost because you literally
Speaker 1: were a part of it in the moment, And I
Speaker 1: think that's the one thing that maybe is something to
Speaker 1: pull from that is to not get distracted because there
Speaker 1: are like minded people with the goal of peace, and
Speaker 1: that is going to be something I think that's really
Speaker 1: important to hold dear and remember as we move forward
Speaker 1: into you know, potential darker times in darker months, which
Speaker 1: I've really as of late, I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: trying to wrap my head around the fact that they
Speaker 1: might you know, rear their ugly head again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I really want to move forward with
Speaker 2: that mindset and also quickly want to talk about say it.
Speaker 1: A big video game release. Oh yes, I thought you
Speaker 1: were going to mention something else, but this, I know,
Speaker 1: this is huge culture. What did you think I was
Speaker 1: going to say? I just wanted to say shout out
Speaker 1: to Adie Bryan for her Independent Spirits Awards hosting. That
Speaker 1: was so good when you said to Natalie Boorman that
Speaker 1: you were going to start roasting the crowd. Hey Natalie,
Speaker 1: you stupid bitch.
Speaker 2: Immediately something in that moment, something like field in the culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we saw an award show hosted by a
Speaker 1: funny purse.
Speaker 2: With the help of funny people Cudie Green, Frank Gillespie,
Speaker 2: Peach Duck pattent Celestian.
Speaker 1: You already know the casts and crew. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is the job done perfectly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. And like the later
Speaker 2: bits were great too. They did like a Q and
Speaker 2: A thing or was that in the top it or
Speaker 2: is that later on? I may have only seen the monologue.
Speaker 2: Oh they did a whole like host and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, so like a lot of you guys are
Speaker 2: indie filmmakers, you guys understand a weird part of promoting
Speaker 2: your film or screeting your film is the audience Q
Speaker 2: and A after, So let's just do some of that.
Speaker 2: And then it was like different people coming up and
Speaker 2: then Farrell at the end, our boss, no less, our boss,
Speaker 2: my boss twice though, your boss twice. Farrell coming up
Speaker 2: and being like eighty, I love the swag bags for
Speaker 2: this show. Look at this and he brings them like
Speaker 2: a giant purse and he's like, I've got like little
Speaker 2: men's I've got like some used contact lenses.
Speaker 1: I've got like someone's sunglasses. And she's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's my that's my purse. Will like, that's just very.
Speaker 1: It's my first.
Speaker 2: It's very.
Speaker 1: That is eighty. Good job. Bring back Dumb, Bring back
Speaker 1: comedy comedy. Yeah, she was great, But talk about your
Speaker 1: big video game release, because I know this one has
Speaker 1: been tickling your fancy.
Speaker 2: Well, we connected over this on FaceTime the other day.
Speaker 1: We did.
Speaker 2: We did of Lauren Alred.
Speaker 1: Yes, who has been slaying america'scott talent. I guess, so
Speaker 1: this is the backstory. So Lauren Allred is the singer
Speaker 1: of never Enough. The gays know this because this became
Speaker 1: like a moment, a whole moment. You may have danced
Speaker 1: to the club version, or you may just have gotten
Speaker 1: wrapped up in the power of never Enough from The
Speaker 1: Greatest Showman in the film, which I know I certainly did.
Speaker 1: When I saw this movie years ago with Sudi Green.
Speaker 1: We were so high in Times Square Eagle watching Greatest
Speaker 1: Showman and never Enough was happening, and I turned to
Speaker 1: Suny and I was like, this is the best song
Speaker 1: of all time, and she was like, you are so stupid.
Speaker 2: You might have also familiarized yourself with the club remix
Speaker 2: of this song that was playing when two circuit queens
Speaker 2: were fighting each other in Mikinos. I think in twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: This song has a place in the culture, and stay tuned,
Speaker 1: stay tuned because it might be a nominee for Record
Speaker 1: of the Year. Are you serious? We have not discussed this.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you are crazy. The cat might have
Speaker 1: gotten out of the bag there, but it might be
Speaker 1: a front runner for Record of the Year that and
Speaker 1: single soon.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm sorry, And I said twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Greatest Shoman came out twenty seventeen, so I
Speaker 2: just want to correct.
Speaker 1: That that year. We're not sure as long as ime
Speaker 1: ago or not.
Speaker 2: You are nuts.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not for that one girl, But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that this song was sung Lauren already. So
Speaker 1: now flash forward years later. She never really gets the
Speaker 1: credit because Rebecca Ferguson lip sync for her life in
Speaker 1: the film.
Speaker 2: And she did make it seem like she's saying it.
Speaker 1: She Rebecca Ferguson, great actor, and I had no qualms
Speaker 1: about that lipsyn performance because it was from the heart.
Speaker 1: It seemed like mama was the singer, and she was
Speaker 1: in that gorgeous dress, that gown, no notes, no notes,
Speaker 1: but she was not singing like the rest of the cast.
Speaker 1: Lauren Alrup was singing years past. Now she's on America's
Speaker 1: Got talent slay ying like best singer alive vibes. And
Speaker 1: then I bring this to the attention of my sister
Speaker 1: and he says to me this information.
Speaker 2: That she sings the new Final Fantasy Sevin Rebirth theme
Speaker 2: song that Eric sings. When I guess she is in
Speaker 2: a very greatest showman like setup, like never Enough setup,
Speaker 2: where she's just kind of on a stage in a
Speaker 2: white dress, like belting her tips off.
Speaker 1: How's this?
Speaker 2: It's okay, It's okay, okay. Final Fantasy has a very
Speaker 2: queer slash gay circuit girl slash La fag West Hollywood
Speaker 2: slash Chelsea Hell's kitchen sensibility when it comes to We've
Speaker 2: talked about this before, how Leona Lewis sang the song
Speaker 2: for Final Fantasy thirteen. Yeah, and fey wong to Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy eight. That's a pretty gay girl or girl for
Speaker 2: the gays, and it's just a pretty queer I think
Speaker 2: they've really leaned in. Maybe they've always known. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: just kind of catching up to this like very intentional
Speaker 2: thing that this very weird, kooky video game series has
Speaker 2: like stuck to for many decades now.
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy and James Cameron have always known what the
Speaker 1: faggots want, and that's actually where the colts are number
Speaker 1: forty nine. Final Fantasy and James Cameron have always known
Speaker 1: the fact baggots want Leona Lewis in both of those franchises.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, all I'm saying is Leona Lewis. The
Speaker 1: only thing that was wrong with uh see you is
Speaker 1: that she wasn't blue while she was saying it. She
Speaker 1: should have been an avatar like look in through the
Speaker 1: Dream so I know every word too. She should have
Speaker 1: been blue as hell, then it would have been better.
Speaker 1: Should have been blue as hell. Does Lauren already appear
Speaker 1: in the video games singing?
Speaker 2: She does not appear in the video games singing the
Speaker 2: Rebecca Ferguson and this is many many people's first girlfriends,
Speaker 2: Eric Gainsborough. So she is this, Matt, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you would be obsessed with er. She is the last
Speaker 2: of the ancients.
Speaker 1: What come again?
Speaker 2: So basically I want a quickly summarized Final Fantasy seven
Speaker 2: for people who aren't aware this game comes out in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. Okay, just think about that big year,
Speaker 2: big cultural year, huge cultural year. But the game basically
Speaker 2: takes place in like a dystopian cyberpunk fantasy world. You
Speaker 2: start off in a city called Midgar and it is
Speaker 2: run by a corporation. The government is the corporation. Is
Speaker 2: this like fascist nineteen eighty four vibes, Well, it's They're
Speaker 2: called Shinra and they're an electricity company. And what they
Speaker 2: do is they take energy from the planet. They basically
Speaker 2: suck the life force from the planet into maco energy
Speaker 2: and that's how they make their money and that's how
Speaker 2: they run things. Is cracking, well, it's destroying the it's
Speaker 2: fracking its oil, it's all these things. It's like sucking
Speaker 2: the life out of the planet. And you play cloud Strife,
Speaker 2: a mercenary who is working with an eco terrorist organization
Speaker 2: called Avalanche. It like it makes a case for like
Speaker 2: eco terrorism being the only way forward. And but Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy seven was doing this in ninety seven, where you
Speaker 2: basically play this mercenary and then after you blow up
Speaker 2: one of the reactors, you meet Erith, this girl who
Speaker 2: is the last of the ancient. She sells flowers in
Speaker 2: the street. What she lives in an abandoned church.
Speaker 1: Who plays her in a movie?
Speaker 2: Here are the people who have played her so far. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're gonna fucking lose your mind.
Speaker 1: I can't wait too.
Speaker 2: The girl who's playing her now is a wonderful voice actor.
Speaker 2: But in Kingdom Hearts, when they first gave voice to
Speaker 2: these people, Erth was voiced in Kingdom Hearts IWO. She's
Speaker 2: voiced by Mina Suvari dag terribly. I might add, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: Mina Subari, we love you, but you were not a
Speaker 2: going to Erath. Okay, I just have to say that.
Speaker 2: But Kingdom Hearts won, and this was the perfect voice acting.
Speaker 2: And I do want to ask her about this when
Speaker 2: she is on the pod. Mandy Moore, you better shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up. Mandy Moore was I was gonna say
Speaker 2: that as a joke. No, it was her. Look up.
Speaker 2: Kingdom Hearts won, Mandy Moore, Eirath.
Speaker 1: Why didn't she return? We have to ask her.
Speaker 2: I don't know, we have to ask her. But then
Speaker 2: so basically she is this like Serene just pressed. She
Speaker 2: like heels you back to life. But she's like funny
Speaker 2: and cue she flirts with the She's like, don't flive
Speaker 2: with me. I have a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: You know. The front runner for title of that for
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore's episode is the last of the Ancients, the last.
Speaker 2: Andy Moore is Oh my god, I totally didn't even
Speaker 2: mention that.
Speaker 1: Last week, like I call okay. And then the person
Speaker 1: who voiced the villain in the I want to be him,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, separo Kingdom Hearts one Lance Bass whoa Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's possible for me.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is the thing, so square Enix, this is
Speaker 2: so Kingdom Hearts is I know, Disney Final Fantasy, Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy like casting Hayden Pannetier Britney Snow Jesse, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: what's that guy's Oh my god, I love him and
Speaker 2: I want it in the pretty face and I want
Speaker 2: Jesse McCartney plays Roxis Hailey, Jolasmer plays Sore like the
Speaker 2: voice cast is stacked and also gay yay, Matt, I
Speaker 2: think you really? I think Kingdom Heart is a perfect
Speaker 2: way in for you for video games. Can I do
Speaker 2: it on my switch? Yes, you got me a switch.
Speaker 2: I got you a switch. But I think I don't
Speaker 2: know there's something there. It's Disney and it's all these
Speaker 2: fucking gay actors, all right, gay as in like they
Speaker 2: appealed to a certain audience.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, like you said the words Mina Samari and
Speaker 1: I had no other questions.
Speaker 2: David Borian as anyway, Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Wow he was a hunky Hatty. Huh yeah, Hunky Hotty
Speaker 1: is Chad Michael Murray in the game.
Speaker 2: He is not? He is not else's in the game.
Speaker 2: Hold on Kingdom Hearts voice cast. There are some true slays.
Speaker 2: David Gallagher cal in Titanic plays as them of the
Speaker 2: villain in the first game, Willa Holland.
Speaker 1: From the Ocua.
Speaker 2: Willa Holland slays in Kingdom Hearts three is Aqua. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, you know what teen actor.
Speaker 1: I have questions about where he is? Where is Simon
Speaker 1: from Seventh teven?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, oh no, no no, I'm sorry David Gallagher.
Speaker 2: They just had the wrong headshot on Google. David Gallagher
Speaker 2: is Riku. That's Simon from Seventh Heaven right.
Speaker 1: Wait is that true?
Speaker 2: Billy Zane is Anthem and he's Calulm Titanic.
Speaker 1: That's what I meant. Sorry, I got my headshots mixed up.
Speaker 1: But David Simon Camden was played by David Gallagher.
Speaker 2: And David Gallagher is Riku like the main your rival
Speaker 2: in Kingdom Hearts Matt like this game is made for
Speaker 2: you with me.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone in the culture from back then that's
Speaker 1: more Matt coded than David Gallagher. No, I'm going to
Speaker 1: send you a picture of his Wikipedia photo. Tell me
Speaker 1: this is not me if I'm famous in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three. Just literally, I'm sending this sea right now. Okay.
Speaker 2: I shuddered to think about what I would have looked like,
Speaker 2: the vibe I would have given off if I was
Speaker 2: famous in two thousand and three.
Speaker 1: Just take a look at that and tell me that.
Speaker 1: Tell me that is not me. I just said it
Speaker 1: to you. It probably went through.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is so you Look at his easy,
Speaker 2: broken bang.
Speaker 1: With the bean, so handsome. I loved him. I used
Speaker 1: to have such a crush on him when I was
Speaker 1: like litter. Oh my god, he was such a heart throb. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: What's he doing now? Is he still acting?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: He was in an episode of Swat in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: They're making a Kingdom Hearts for whoa He's in all
Speaker 1: the Kingdom Hearts is He's like a huge, fucking he
Speaker 1: is Riku. You're gonna jerk off to Riku if you live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Riku like starts off like as this, like,
Speaker 2: you know, tough kid and kind of like bullies you.
Speaker 2: But then he becomes the ages. Well, Sora doesn't really
Speaker 2: age well. The main character, sore I played by Hailey
Speaker 2: Jo Lasman, iconic character, doesn't really grow up, but Ricu
Speaker 2: grows has to grow the fuck up because he gets
Speaker 2: possessed by some dark way whoa maleficent captures him and
Speaker 2: corrupts his his mind.
Speaker 1: You're kidding. I'm gonna to get into this because I
Speaker 1: might see myself in Riku. You are Riku.
Speaker 2: Sometimes this is a Glenna alphabet situation where it's like
Speaker 2: you and I are both Riku and Sora, but it flips,
Speaker 2: it switches every now and then you are Sora down
Speaker 2: on a lot of days. I'm Riku down a lot
Speaker 2: of days, but sometimes we trade those off, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Should title that be Sora and Riku?
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh my god, Matt, you don't know what's about
Speaker 1: to come your way.
Speaker 2: The readers Katie's public is Finalists who love Kingdom Hearts
Speaker 2: are out there. I believe that they are, and they
Speaker 2: will be reaching out to you.
Speaker 1: If you could do one other podcast about your niche interest,
Speaker 1: what would it be? Final Fantasy. It would be Final Fantasy.
Speaker 2: Including Kingdom Hearts, including Dragon Class like these video games
Speaker 2: Persona like these are video games that are queer coded
Speaker 2: and have been since the dawn of time immemorial. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: Final Fantasy seven Rebirth, it's like the most money squares
Speaker 2: ever put out in a game. It's like basically like
Speaker 2: making a meta commentary on like fan culture and rebook
Speaker 2: culture too, in the cleverest way, Like it's within the
Speaker 2: story that like there's this force called the Whispers, and
Speaker 2: you kill them off in the first game, and then
Speaker 2: the timeline starts to diverge, and then it becomes like
Speaker 2: they're telling the story in a way that has been
Speaker 2: told before, so you kill them off, and it's like
Speaker 2: killing off of the fan base voice that says things
Speaker 2: should be a certain way. Isn't that brilliant?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why haven't they done more like these movies of this,
Speaker 1: Like it feels like they have and they they're all
Speaker 1: pretty bad. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2: Because the people who produce and direct and write the
Speaker 2: movies are the people who produce and direct and write
Speaker 2: the video games, and it's just a different medium, Like
Speaker 2: they're able to they don't have a sense of the
Speaker 2: pacing and of the way the story is told. Like
Speaker 2: video games, you kind of like, I would say, it's
Speaker 2: kind of harder in video games to like unfurl a
Speaker 2: narrative because so much of it is about the player's
Speaker 2: control and how they choose to end up hitting certain
Speaker 2: beats in Some of the games are very linear, and
Speaker 2: some of them are more open ended Zelda, for example.
Speaker 2: The recent ones that I've talked about have been open
Speaker 2: world where it's not linear at all, and it's very
Speaker 2: hard to tell a story that way because you can't
Speaker 2: quite get the player to land at certain places as
Speaker 2: the story is told. But I think the movies are
Speaker 2: really rough and I wouldn't watch those. Don't pay those
Speaker 2: much attention.
Speaker 1: So do you think that when the worlds are more
Speaker 1: expansive and more open, that's just a much more difficult
Speaker 1: adaptation than something like The Last of Us, which follows
Speaker 1: a storyline.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm literally playing The Last of Us again
Speaker 2: right now. I never beat the first one, sorry to admit,
Speaker 2: So I'm finally like I want to beat it. I'm
Speaker 2: really loving it. And that is a linear game, like
Speaker 2: you are on a track because you're running away from
Speaker 2: these fucking mushroomies right right, right, right right, And it's
Speaker 2: kind of That's the brilliant thing about The Last of
Speaker 2: Us is that it's sort of built in. It's cinematic
Speaker 2: because the story is completely on the rails in a
Speaker 2: way that doesn't make the player feel like they're just
Speaker 2: clicking buttons.
Speaker 1: Got it read a story so in a way that's
Speaker 1: less interesting because there's less to discover, But it could
Speaker 1: be more compelling if the story they're telling is that compelling. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it happens to be extremely compelling, by the way.
Speaker 1: Congrats to Pedro. Rats to Pedro on the sag lead win.
Speaker 1: I realized that something about Pedro Pescal. If I am
Speaker 1: ever having a hard time or a bad day, or
Speaker 1: have ever doing something I think is hard, I can
Speaker 1: just think of Pedro Pescal smiling and laughing and it
Speaker 1: will make me feel bad.
Speaker 2: Oh I know, I know. It's a really important smile
Speaker 2: and an important laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like he carries the light. And it's
Speaker 1: less about him being like super fucking hot or super
Speaker 1: fucking talented. It's just I enjoy him. He's a nice person.
Speaker 1: I like his presence a lot. I liked watching him win.
Speaker 1: I liked watching him be so you know, befuddled in
Speaker 1: his win. I liked watching him backstage, Like I just
Speaker 1: I just like him, Like I don't know what it
Speaker 1: is beyond that, I just really enjoy him as a
Speaker 1: celebrity presence.
Speaker 2: He's very winning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also I like that he seems to
Speaker 1: be really comfortable with himself. That's what I'll say about it,
Speaker 1: is that, like he wins this award, he seems like
Speaker 1: really genuine and then he's vackstage doing his thing. And
Speaker 1: I just think he's emblematic of like people having to
Speaker 1: be less of a platonic ideal of what a leading
Speaker 1: man is and acts like. And I'll leave it there
Speaker 1: because I don't know what's cool to say, but like
Speaker 1: I just really appreciate and admire him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh and he's also a perfect model for like there
Speaker 2: is no right way to go about a career in
Speaker 2: something that is so uncertain as like acting or Hollywood
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, It's like his big breaks were
Speaker 2: like late late.
Speaker 1: No guarantees, and you know what I'm saying, Like maybe
Speaker 1: that's also part of it is I'm just like that's
Speaker 1: someone who really fucking hung in yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because even I guess I don't know, like
Speaker 1: when did things really start turning around for him, Like
Speaker 1: probably I guess like ten years ago Game of Thrones
Speaker 1: whatever it was, but Thrones, Yeah, before that, like he
Speaker 1: probably could not even get people to even like perk
Speaker 1: up at the sound of his name, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he was not what he is now
Speaker 1: really recently. And then it feels like it's that one
Speaker 1: thing that changes the other thing that changes the other thing.
Speaker 1: But apparently it was like the Sarah Paulson in him
Speaker 1: saga goes way back and I guess she knew the
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones people and was like, you should definitely
Speaker 1: see my friend Petro Pescal for this, and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know who that is, and then they like
Speaker 1: kicked around on it for a while, and then he
Speaker 1: obviously booked Game of Thrones and was like so memorable
Speaker 1: and sexy and great and met Game of Thrones that
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you book him for so many other things?
Speaker 1: But you know, it just feels to me like that's
Speaker 1: someone that really hung in. Yeah, we gotta hang in, y'all,
Speaker 1: and good thing because he makes our landscape like our
Speaker 1: like pop culture landscape, like so much more interesting, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like he's like such a cool a list member of
Speaker 2: the the whole.
Speaker 1: Thing right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's one of the few people who like
Speaker 2: gets people really worked up in like a pop star
Speaker 2: way almost. Yeah, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: How was he not sexiest man alive? Like he is
Speaker 1: the sexiest man alive?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Y? Who was it again? I forget who?
Speaker 3: Literally?
Speaker 1: Was it a no? I know that they were like
Speaker 1: behind the times in terms of who they picked, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was afflic Oh it was Dempsey. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's my thing is I'm like, you're twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: We picked Patrick Dempsey in twenty twenty three, when like
Speaker 1: Pedro Pascal is right there, like that man is he's
Speaker 1: so sexy.
Speaker 2: He is beyond off the charts.
Speaker 1: I can't think about it. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 1: It's overwhelming. It's overwhelming. Now should we do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about the year of this episode? Do you
Speaker 1: do you want to? Wait?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I do, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm just it's a big one.
Speaker 1: It's a big one, and I feel like you guys,
Speaker 1: just you know piek behind the curtain. I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: that well.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning, like and last night I
Speaker 1: tried to like sneak up on me. It must be
Speaker 1: some sort of like tiny little cold thing going around.
Speaker 1: Are you did you say you don't feel good either?
Speaker 1: I feel something too.
Speaker 2: I woke up. The seasons are changing now officially because
Speaker 2: I'm waking up with like iboggers and shit, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: here we go.
Speaker 1: I really had like a park it on the couch.
Speaker 1: I also like, I've been working out a lot, and
Speaker 1: so I think my body is just like telling me
Speaker 1: to relax a little bit. Maybe just because I've been
Speaker 1: I tend to I don't know, like the pist season me,
Speaker 1: like the addictive personality roars out sometimes. And when I
Speaker 1: find something that works for me, like especially something healthy
Speaker 1: and I feel positive about and I do feel like
Speaker 1: I'm getting results from going every day and working out
Speaker 1: and stuff like, I tend to push it a little
Speaker 1: bit hard. So I think my body is just trying
Speaker 1: to tell me, like, hey, remember moderation. Remember we made
Speaker 1: like a promise that things would be about moderation this
Speaker 1: year wouldn't be about extremes. Like that's something I'm really
Speaker 1: trying to hold to throughout this year, is like not
Speaker 1: dealing with things in extreme so much, just trying to
Speaker 1: be you know, more intentional about Like it's not like
Speaker 1: know this or you have to do this, it's like,
Speaker 1: try to do this, try to do that, like get
Speaker 1: yourself in a healthy place with it. That's very good.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to slow down right now and just
Speaker 1: listen to my body. But I had like a park
Speaker 1: it and watch movies moment yesterday and I watched a
Speaker 1: couple of things, one Old one New Balance. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you I watched Eternal Sun China The
Speaker 1: Spotless Mind last night.
Speaker 2: Again on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: But I know and I think the reason why I
Speaker 1: did that is because you had done that. And I
Speaker 1: also think I'm you know, anticipating our honest ol, what
Speaker 1: a movie.
Speaker 2: What a really fucking good movie. Yeah, it's so great,
Speaker 2: like and like one of those movies that I will say,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure I'm my knowledge of movies is not
Speaker 2: expansive enough, but it's like it's one of those movies
Speaker 2: that's like anyone can be like that's my favorite movie.
Speaker 2: And no one can really poke a hole in that.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's like Charlie Coffin, like Gondry film,
Speaker 2: but it's also like it has mass appeal. It's telling
Speaker 2: this amazing story very elegantly conceptualized, but like funny performances,
Speaker 2: emotional performances. Obviously, Kirsten, Oh, Kirsten rocks man like, she
Speaker 2: just rocks.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: She's so good in it. Kate's so good in it.
Speaker 1: Jim is so good in it. I love Mark Ruffalo
Speaker 1: so much, Tom Wilkinson Rest in Peace. Elijah Wood, Elijah Wood,
Speaker 1: I mean, so good enough, He's so good, he's so
Speaker 1: cute like and also Mark Ruffalo in any era. I'm
Speaker 1: just a total super fan. That was.
Speaker 2: That was a cute era for him.
Speaker 1: Oh so cute.
Speaker 2: Deirdre O'Connell, by the way, plays the wife who shows up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a really good performance too. You can
Speaker 2: have him you already you already did you did? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't be a monster.
Speaker 1: Tell the girl.
Speaker 2: Oh so good. Deardroconna, tony legend, Deardre O'Connell. I saw
Speaker 2: her in that play.
Speaker 1: Anyway, what play she was in?
Speaker 2: Dana age, and she wanted Tony for that, And can
Speaker 2: I just brag real quick?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: So Celeste chok me to go see Celestium. Friend of
Speaker 2: the podcast, one of our best friends took me to
Speaker 2: see this play that Lucas Nath wrote and it's her.
Speaker 2: It's Deirdre O'Connell sitting on stage basically lip syncing tapes
Speaker 2: of Lucas's mother. This like really crazy incident that happened
Speaker 2: to Lucas's mother where she was basically in Florida and
Speaker 2: was kidnapped and kind of like does an interview about it,
Speaker 2: and just like it was recorded and it's Deerdre O'Connell
Speaker 2: lip syncing the entire interview basically, and she wanted Tony
Speaker 2: for it. She was amazing, and they were trying to
Speaker 2: talk Deirdre into doing it and she was like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know the lip sinking things. That sounds like
Speaker 2: such a weird gimmick, Like, I don't that doesn't sound
Speaker 2: like anything to me, And I have on good authority
Speaker 2: that the producers showed Dana videos of me lip sinking,
Speaker 2: and then she was like it can be art.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: She literally was like Okay, I'm seeing this person do
Speaker 2: it in a way that is like a funny of
Speaker 2: course and like joking and gimmicky, but like, there is
Speaker 2: a way to be so precise about this. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying whatever she's like, there's a way to be precise
Speaker 2: enough about this to make it to elevate the material.
Speaker 2: Let's do it how much zero zero. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that I take any credit. I'm saying that one of
Speaker 2: my greatest accomplishments is doing something that ever even showed
Speaker 2: up in front of Deerdre O'Connell's eyes.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 2: That's all and anyway, this is all to say, eternal sunshine, okay.
Speaker 1: And then what was the new thing? I watched Naiad?
Speaker 1: And I have to tell you it's so much better
Speaker 1: than I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, good, then I'll watch it too.
Speaker 1: I really like there had been months ago there had
Speaker 1: been this goofy clip of Naiad where they're playing table tennis,
Speaker 1: and Annette and Jody were so bizarre in this clip
Speaker 1: and out of context it was so it didn't seem good, okay,
Speaker 1: So I was kind of like, no way. And then
Speaker 1: when I kind of in my mind had like solidified
Speaker 1: on what I thought we're gonna be like the Oscar
Speaker 1: Contenders and stuff, and then Annett and Jody really stuck
Speaker 1: in there. I was like angsty about it. Then I
Speaker 1: finally watched the movie. I loved this movie. Like I
Speaker 1: think it's obviously you know, the best thing about it
Speaker 1: or the two of their performances, but really winning sports movie,
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of a classic story of just determine
Speaker 1: nation and everyone telling you you can't do something, and
Speaker 1: you being a very specific type of person because she
Speaker 1: was not really a nice person. She was not necessarily
Speaker 1: like someone you root for, Like she was very one
Speaker 1: track minded, and I would say, like the movie really
Speaker 1: needs Jodie Foster to like take to some of the
Speaker 1: edge off. But their performances are great. Jody is so
Speaker 1: great in this and that been for some reason, I
Speaker 1: thought like if Annette had won for this, it would
Speaker 1: feel like a light wind or like it would feel
Speaker 1: like a career. Yeah, like we were just tossing her
Speaker 1: a bone. It wouldn't feel like that at all. Like, really,
Speaker 1: it is really hard to play physical brutality, like in
Speaker 1: terms of like when your body is going through something
Speaker 1: and your body has to fight against elements and you're
Speaker 1: literally like your interior is taking over in a way
Speaker 1: that is really hard to act. It's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I'm such a huge fan out of Sandra
Speaker 1: Bullock's Gravity performance is because she was playing so much
Speaker 1: of the physical reality of what it means to be
Speaker 1: suffering or fighting for your life in that way. And
Speaker 1: a lot of that is here in this bending Naiad performance,
Speaker 1: like the elements wearing away at her in the water,
Speaker 1: there's no question when you're watching it that she's actually
Speaker 1: going through this. I mean, it had to be a
Speaker 1: wild shoot. She's in the water a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't appear to be very cgi ish. It appears
Speaker 1: like she's doing a lot of practical work here. And
Speaker 1: by the end when she's gone through her like fifth
Speaker 1: attempt at doing this Cuba to Florida Keys swim, which
Speaker 1: really like it's if she did actually do it, And
Speaker 1: there is some dispute whether or not she actually buy
Speaker 1: the book by the rules in terms of what they
Speaker 1: say is an actual achievement here of the swim, like
Speaker 1: did it ten out of ten? One hundred percent above board?
Speaker 1: But like this story of determination like is one thing
Speaker 1: and it would be a winning script and winning performance anyway.
Speaker 1: But what puts it over the edge for me, and
Speaker 1: really it makes this nomination worthy is the really just
Speaker 1: very raw depiction of what it is to be worn
Speaker 1: away by this physical feat and these elements. There is
Speaker 1: a jellyfish attack that is one of the scariest moments. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not watching Bowen. These jellyfish come for and net
Speaker 1: in some way they need to. We need we need
Speaker 1: an Andy Cone reunion with a net jellyfish center couch,
Speaker 1: center couch and Jody's the fair friend of on the
Speaker 1: side like one anyway, but like, this movie was great
Speaker 1: and the performance is great, and Jody's super winning in it.
Speaker 1: They're just stars. And yeah, I feel like I was,
Speaker 1: you know, poopooing these nominations because I didn't know better
Speaker 1: and I saw.
Speaker 2: The movie and well, the voices you listen to, the
Speaker 2: to the punditry of it all, it wasn't even that.
Speaker 1: It's just with the oscars, you guys. I know I
Speaker 1: sound nasal today. I'm really sorry because I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't like listening to people's voices when they're sick and
Speaker 1: doing a podcast. I apologize. I don't like the way
Speaker 1: I sound right now. But what I'm saying is I
Speaker 1: think that I really don't like it when it feels
Speaker 1: like we're just throwing an oscar at someone because we
Speaker 1: feel bad like that. And this is not that at all.
Speaker 1: It just is not that at all. Like it is.
Speaker 1: It's worth a watch, even if some part of the
Speaker 1: movie is like a little bit goofy. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a goofy story, Like goofy is good. Like
Speaker 1: her getting attacked by jellyfish on her attempts to cross
Speaker 1: the sea. That was a real thing that happened. It did,
Speaker 1: it did, and she had to be like resuscitated and
Speaker 1: like all these things. Not goofy, No, but it's goofy
Speaker 1: because it's a ned betting versus a jellyfish in the water,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's power line, that's power line.
Speaker 1: He plays this mean, mean lesbian who's like I'm getting
Speaker 1: back on the water, and then the jelly fish takes around.
Speaker 1: She's like oh, and then they're like get back and
Speaker 1: Jody's like so gay in it, so she's like get
Speaker 1: up here, come on, and then they're they're like resustinating her.
Speaker 2: She's like Jesus Christ, let my friend live already. And
Speaker 2: then and that's like, I'm going back into the water, babe,
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh Jesus. And it's just these two
Speaker 2: lesbians going back and forth like you and me. Honestly,
Speaker 2: in many ways, I don't know who's Naiad and who's Jody.
Speaker 1: Although you're a ni Ad and I'm Jody, Let's I'm
Speaker 1: the coach.
Speaker 2: No, you're Niad. I mean, can you believe this bitch's
Speaker 2: name was Diana Niad a nymph of the sea. That's
Speaker 2: a palindrome of a name. The A is the center letter,
Speaker 2: Diane Niad, Diana Naiad. It's the same spelled backwards. Do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's one hundred percent something that I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, I thank you. I do So.
Speaker 2: Should we move on? I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you explain I don't things, honey while I
Speaker 1: blow my nose.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think so, honey. Is our segment where
Speaker 2: we each take one minute to rail against something in
Speaker 2: the culture. I mean, I think I have an idea
Speaker 2: of what Matt's might be. He is really having a
Speaker 2: rough time with this congestion, and it's almost March. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like, I thought we were done with this.
Speaker 1: So did I, sister. I haven't feeling this is going
Speaker 1: to be like a twenty four to forty eight hour thing.
Speaker 1: I think this is not gonna be a big deal.
Speaker 2: Great, I'm happy for you, but I do have something
Speaker 2: okay makes one of us. Oh god, this is Matt Rogers.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The Wendy Williams documentary. I
Speaker 1: really feel like this is not the move and the
Speaker 1: family being like, she's an executive producer on this, so
Speaker 1: you know that's about board. It's like, guys, she is
Speaker 1: by definition not in her right mind. And these you know,
Speaker 1: stories coming out now about her having like dementia, and like,
Speaker 1: you know these this has obviously been something wrong with
Speaker 1: her for a while, way before you decided to do
Speaker 1: this documentary. And now what you have is you have
Speaker 1: her devolving on television and you're out here promoting it.
Speaker 1: You didn't even see the result of what you would
Speaker 1: put together here and say, guys, you know what, we
Speaker 1: have to really work to make sure we're protecting her. No,
Speaker 1: you saw the product that you had and then continue
Speaker 1: to promote it for your own gain. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but anytime you have something that's in the entertainment industry
Speaker 1: and promoted this way, you are doing it till people
Speaker 1: watch it and so you gain from it. I don't
Speaker 1: think you protected her here. There's a reason we haven't
Speaker 1: seen Bruce Willis. There's a reason we didn't see Barbara Walters.
Speaker 1: It's because when you put someone out there like this
Speaker 1: at the end of their life, this becomes their legacy.
Speaker 1: And shame on you for doing that to your family member.
Speaker 1: I don't think so funny, that's one a minute, one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. I think that the family member that who's
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of screen time is I think the niece,
Speaker 1: the niece, and there's something so dark there because I
Speaker 1: think she's also a journalist or something. There's something off
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. And I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: position that these people could have that justified what exactly
Speaker 1: is going on here, because unfortunately, now what you have
Speaker 1: is you have someone who's very sick with dementia and
Speaker 1: potentially other things on television not acting like themselves. You know,
Speaker 1: she's saying things that are very offensive, very dark very
Speaker 1: nasty and she looks unwell and you got a camera
Speaker 1: in her face. It's a phase.
Speaker 2: It's like she can't even register communication or even express
Speaker 2: it in the way she wants to. It's brain damage.
Speaker 2: It's literally brain damage. Like she's not okay, it's exploitation.
Speaker 2: And I remember when we did our first Culture Awards, right, like,
Speaker 2: Wendy Williams was like a leader in the nominations because
Speaker 2: there were moments. There were just so many moments.
Speaker 1: You know, she's iconic and she's she's done so much
Speaker 1: in the culture, and she always provided like some thing
Speaker 1: to talk about. But then when it became clear that
Speaker 1: something was really wrong, yes, and when it was clear
Speaker 1: it was clear, you take a step back and you
Speaker 1: have some respect and the fact that this is coming
Speaker 1: from her family and these photographs of her. I don't
Speaker 1: care what awareness you think you are bringing. You know,
Speaker 1: the way you bring awareness to an issue like this,
Speaker 1: you say, our beloved family member and pop culture icon,
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams is dealing with these issues. If you are
Speaker 1: someone you know are dealing with these issues, you're not alone.
Speaker 1: We are dealing with it. Here are resources, Here are
Speaker 1: you know, places you can donate. Here are positive memories
Speaker 1: of our family member. Not we documented what the reality
Speaker 1: is and are putting it out there, don't lady, she's
Speaker 1: okay with it. She doesn't have the wherewithal to be
Speaker 1: okay with it. And at this point it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a catch twenty two too, because then it's like,
Speaker 1: if you weigh in on something like this, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: trust the family, they know what's best. We don't fucking
Speaker 1: know that way. If this is what's best for Wendy Williams,
Speaker 1: then I really am adrift out here because it seems
Speaker 1: like the best thing for her would be to focus
Speaker 1: on her treatment and to give her privacy because we
Speaker 1: did not need this to understand the reality that she
Speaker 1: was in trouble or a picture of what this type
Speaker 1: of mental illness looks like. We did not need it.
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang Yevin, I don't think somebody needs to share
Speaker 1: with us. I think so, well, that's good? Are you ready? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 2: This is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. As
Speaker 2: time starts now, I don't think so, honey, Normani with
Speaker 2: this Dopamine release, like I love this album, I love
Speaker 2: this title.
Speaker 1: Already you can't make us wait longer? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: What's another like two three months? I want this and
Speaker 2: now you should have dropped this on us and we
Speaker 2: would have there would have been no notes.
Speaker 1: That would have been a perfect release strategy. Because we
Speaker 1: love you. You're able to.
Speaker 2: Coast on this thirty seconds good will that we've built
Speaker 2: up over the years. But I think this is kind
Speaker 2: of a middle finger to us, and maybe we deserve
Speaker 2: it because we have been hard on you, but also
Speaker 2: you haven't delivered on what you've promised would be coming
Speaker 2: for such a long time. Again, I actually love Normania
Speaker 2: second MONI here, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, just put out the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I do love this cover that where she's writing this
Speaker 2: fucking rocket, tough imagery, tough today, but she looks good.
Speaker 2: And if I stop thinking about current events, then I
Speaker 2: guess it's a sligh But just just drop the album.
Speaker 1: Why make us wait longer? That's one minute? Well. I
Speaker 1: think if one thing is clear about Normani, it's that
Speaker 1: it's not up to her. I think if one thing
Speaker 1: is very clear about Normani over the past five, five,
Speaker 1: six years, it's that ain't up to her. This to
Speaker 1: me feels like another story of talented artist and of course,
Speaker 1: of course label or a situation where they can't figure
Speaker 1: out exactly what the rollout is or can't seem to
Speaker 1: get the material together or get their ducks in a
Speaker 1: row to actually put out music and have her fans
Speaker 1: like this artist. Yeah, And I've never understood why that
Speaker 1: seems to happen. It must be some sort of bureaucratic,
Speaker 1: like political thing, because I've never understood why if you
Speaker 1: have a huge single like Motivation, or a huge artist,
Speaker 1: or like someone with a platform already or who already
Speaker 1: has like a huge like way in for an audience, like,
Speaker 1: why you wouldn't just like put an album together even
Speaker 1: if it wasn't like you know, I get that people
Speaker 1: are really want to create the best body of work possible,
Speaker 1: but like, I find it really hard to believe that
Speaker 1: you couldn't find eleven or twelve songs like Motivation that
Speaker 1: could fill that sonic landscape and create an introductory album
Speaker 1: for Normani, which makes me feel like it has to
Speaker 1: be more now, There's got to be something else going
Speaker 1: on ultimately with what we've landed on here. I do
Speaker 1: like the album title a lot. I like the images
Speaker 1: a lot, I think now. Unfortunately, what she's up against
Speaker 1: is the fact that, like the expectation is so high,
Speaker 1: we have been waiting so long, the expectation is so high.
Speaker 1: Whatever song comes out now has to hit hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise it a lot of all been for not.
Speaker 1: That's like the corner they've painted her into, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like it's like, we got this
Speaker 1: one song, we have this one group that she was
Speaker 1: a part of. We know she's capable of a lot,
Speaker 1: but that almost feels like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It's like if Beyonce dropped the Renaissance visuals now, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, okay, Han, well we're onto your new thing now.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hm. We still might get it though, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking for and I mean, Normandy's fucking good.
Speaker 2: No, she's amazing, She's amazing. That was just the I
Speaker 2: don't think, Sonny, that I pulled out of my big
Speaker 2: app No.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy you brought it up because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it because when I saw that
Speaker 1: she actually was released in the album, and then it
Speaker 1: was like the date and it's like it's like she's
Speaker 1: playing games with us with the date. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll give her two weeks of these games.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, I see the games like the labels
Speaker 2: like she I know it's not up to her, but
Speaker 2: she does have some power here to push back and
Speaker 2: be like, let's do this this way.
Speaker 1: I feel strongly I don't think she has any power.
Speaker 1: I really don't think she has any power. I think
Speaker 1: unless they were like actually to leak something or like
Speaker 1: really forcibly taken away, this cannot be the way she
Speaker 1: wanted it to go. And I also don't think she
Speaker 1: is necessarily like jazzed about like announcing amidst every other
Speaker 1: pop girl right right, like packed here. What is going
Speaker 1: on with Gaga right now? Is she also coming out
Speaker 1: with something? I no, I think she's just in this
Speaker 1: studio because the behavior on Instagram has been a little sus.
Speaker 2: I think she's just having fun. And I think she's
Speaker 2: just having fun in the studioing back for herself.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: I think she was like, let me do this fortnite thing,
Speaker 2: get the girls wild.
Speaker 1: Up, going back to herself. But this is what.
Speaker 2: Gaga always has been, which is like let me, let
Speaker 2: me sow the seeds of confusion in the funnest way
Speaker 2: and when it's actually ultimately harmless, like she can do her,
Speaker 2: she can do all of her like pharmaceutical commercials and
Speaker 2: her like oreos, Like this is Gaga. You're right, it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be chaotic but fine in the end. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is why we love her.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: The Perfect Delusion justice for that one, And since you
Speaker 1: brought up John Wayne a couple weeks ago, I have
Speaker 1: been listening to it NonStop. It's so good. In that video,
Speaker 1: Jared said that should have been the single, and I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe I kind of think Perfect Delusion was
Speaker 1: the right single. I like, Perfect Delusion.
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me just look at the Joe annetrack
Speaker 2: one more time. It's so Gaga.
Speaker 1: It's so Gaga.
Speaker 2: I mean, just out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: She's always done. She'll just stand there with her mouth
Speaker 1: open and her eyes wide.
Speaker 2: It should have been an angel down that single.
Speaker 1: No grecio, girls, I need Joanne.
Speaker 2: Well, do you always have to appreciate Joanne for giving
Speaker 2: us greaseiow, girl.
Speaker 1: I never have said a negative word about Joanne ever
Speaker 1: in my life. I think Joanne is one of the
Speaker 1: great Lady Gaga albums period.
Speaker 2: Go back and look at the tapes. I've never said
Speaker 2: a bad word about Joeyne either.
Speaker 1: Look at the tapes. You will find nothing negative for me.
Speaker 1: You'll only hear my rendition of you'll give the meal
Speaker 1: meal that you now.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we're going to table this twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: conversation because there's a lot there. We got to talk
Speaker 2: about Beyonce self titled we got to talk about art pop,
Speaker 2: We gotta talk about Miley at the VVAS. I mean,
Speaker 2: that was a big year and this one got away
Speaker 2: from us, guys, but you have to understand it's because
Speaker 2: there's a lot there. There's so much there, and we
Speaker 2: can't wait to talk about it.
Speaker 1: But for now, Well, so Ra and Rico have really
Speaker 1: killed this episode.
Speaker 2: Matt, you please consider Kingdom Hearts.
Speaker 1: And playing it. I will consider. I think you would
Speaker 1: really enjoy if I can only figure out this dim contraption.
Speaker 1: Sure the switch. It's for little children, so you should
Speaker 1: be able to We end every episode with a song
Speaker 1: on that note.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my funny crap.
Speaker 1: The cartoons. Bye,