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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We all saw the headlines.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we watched the case before it became a headline.

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Speaker 1: But now even more gruesome details are emerging in the

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Speaker 1: case of cult mom Laurie Valo and her fifth husband,

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Speaker 1: cult leader Chad Day Bell as the two of them

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Speaker 1: the puppet masters, manipulating everyone around them, their scenario, their activities,

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Speaker 1: their manipulations now being laid bare in a treasure trove

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Speaker 1: of evidence just released by police. Remember everybody kept saying,

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Speaker 1: you guys are calling in and writing in, texting, emailing,

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Speaker 1: saying why isn't there and arrest? What's happening? There's JJ?

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Speaker 1: Where's Tyley? Well, now we know crime stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace of emails and texts, documents from Cultmam Laurie Valoe

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Speaker 1: to everyone around her, weaving a web like a spider

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Speaker 1: that ultimately included JJ, her seven year old Tilely, her

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Speaker 1: teen girl, husband four Charles Valo, Dave Belle's wife Tammy,

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Speaker 1: Dave Bell, and I believe others. Now, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to be a legal eagle to know that three or

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Speaker 1: four thousand documents of emails and texts important. Wait, will

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Speaker 1: you hear this? Take a listen. Newly released evidence by

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Speaker 1: Chandler Police comes after the indictment of Laurie Valo in

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Speaker 1: Maricopa County. The investigation into Laurie and are two missing kids,

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Speaker 1: JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan spanned multiple states and involved

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Speaker 1: the FBI. This photo, recovered from Laurie's e cloud account,

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Speaker 1: could be the last known picture taken of seven year

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. A day later, two more photos from Laurie's

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Speaker 1: eCloud show ammunition in an Idaho gun store. Why is

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Speaker 1: cut forty nine. The emmy grabbed a small sharp instrument

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Speaker 1: and cut down the middle of the black plastic And

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Speaker 1: what did you observe? I observed a small child in

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Speaker 1: red pajamas, red pajama shirt, red pajama pants, black socks

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Speaker 1: Also observed a light and blue blanket that had been

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Speaker 1: you observed what you purceived to be a child? Where

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Speaker 1: there was there anything that drew your attention? Yes, can

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Speaker 1: I describe one of who described for the court what

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Speaker 1: black socks. Now, why is this information, this one photo

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Speaker 1: more time here hearing Justin Lum from Fox ten Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: Newly released evidence by Chandler Police comes after the indictment

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Speaker 1: of Laurie Vallo in Maricopa County. The investigation into Laurie

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Speaker 1: and are two missing kids, JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan

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Speaker 1: spanned multiple states and involved the FBI. This photo, recovered

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Speaker 1: from Laurie's eCloud account, could be the last known picture

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Speaker 1: of September twenty second, twenty nineteen. A day later, two

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Speaker 1: more photos from Laurie's eCloud show ammunition in an Idaho

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Speaker 1: gun store. I'm gonna circle back to that, Amma, but

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Speaker 1: first let me introduce to you an all star panel

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Speaker 1: with me. Ashley Willcott, judge Trial Law, your anchor Court

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Speaker 1: TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at panther Mitigation dot com. Author

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Speaker 1: of Where Law and Psychology Intersect Criminal Behavior. Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author of

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He's a star of

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Speaker 1: the Piketon massacre on iHeartRadio. Dan Schilling a personal safety expert,

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Speaker 1: former Lieutenant Colonel US Air Force, thirty year Special Ops veteran,

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Speaker 1: and author of the Power of Awareness. And I find

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Speaker 1: that really interesting in this case because Charles Valle, God

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Speaker 1: right now to the news director of East Idaho News

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Speaker 1: dot Com, Nate Eton. Nate, you are the one that

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Speaker 1: first reported on this treasure trove of evidence. I want

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Speaker 1: Where he's sitting on a sofa? We don't know exactly where,

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Speaker 1: but it's likely that it was Laurie's townhouse. Well, I

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Speaker 1: They can match the paint in the background. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Yeah, you're talking about connectivity with this, Nancy. Remember,

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Speaker 1: you take a real close look, Nancy, at this photograph,

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Speaker 1: You can say pretty definitively that this is her place.

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Speaker 1: You got to throw pillow here. There's any number of

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Speaker 1: revealed that Laurie left behind JJ's medication in that Rexburg

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Speaker 1: Nate eight News director East Idaho News dot Com. Nate

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Speaker 1: being with us here. You say, someone with the awareness

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Speaker 1: to tell cops she's threatened to kill me, but yet

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Speaker 1: he goes into the situation to try to get his son. Well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you know part of the problem for someone like Charles

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Speaker 1: in his position, he's very close to what's happening. He's

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Speaker 1: emotionally invested, as any father or husband or spouse would

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Speaker 1: be when their spouse goes off the rails, but prevents

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Speaker 1: something more catastrophic from happening. Usually takes places onto periphery,

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Speaker 1: and I think in this tragic Stories case, it's the

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Speaker 1: sister in law and the grandmother who are listening to

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00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: their intuition. They're telling themselves something is wrong, and they

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00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: reach out to the law enforcement authorities as well. But

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00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: what you really need to do in order to sort

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Speaker 1: of head these things off is listen to that intuition

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00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: and then ask those questions, you know, do we really

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00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: have a problem here. It's a deliberate question to ask

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00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: because it allows you to then say, okay, not how

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00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: do I manage this problem that's sort of incrementally getting worse,

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00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: But we have a problem here, and then you can

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Speaker 1: take action and make plans to sort of engage others

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00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: to save these lives that were tragically lost. And that's

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00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: where people fall short is listening to their intuition. Listening

446
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: to intuition, everything went completely out of control. We've called

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Speaker 1: Mom Laurie Valoe crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we

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Speaker 1: are talking about thousands of pages of documents and evidence, photos, emails,

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Speaker 1: texts that I've just been released that support the indictment

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Speaker 1: I've called Mom Laurie Valoe in multiple murders now, including

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Speaker 1: that of husband number four, Charles Valo guys, I want

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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to our cut forty two.

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Speaker 1: This is NBC Twels Michael Dudna speaking. It's a nine

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Speaker 1: one one call and the fight when my brother in

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Speaker 1: law shot him. Defense calm, emotionless Alex Cox calling nine

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Speaker 1: one one on a hot July day from a Chandler

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Speaker 1: home sparsely decorated except for Charles Value's body and a

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Speaker 1: bat on a living room floor. Is here breathing. I

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Speaker 1: can't tell are you? Are you willing to go over

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Speaker 1: to him in check? Sure? Cox telling police he shot

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Speaker 1: his brother in law after breaking up a fight between

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Speaker 1: Charles and his estranged wife Lourie. After Lourie left, Cox

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Speaker 1: initially claimed Charles attacked him with a bat, hitting him

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Speaker 1: on the head, so he went to his room, got

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Speaker 1: his gun and eventually shot his brother in law. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's he's not moving. But this is just the start

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Speaker 1: of the mystery, as five months later, Cox turns up

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Speaker 1: debt with both deaths still under investigation. But do you,

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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton Howeswes this call? This is bodycam footage where

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Speaker 1: they're speaking to cult Miles's brother. How does that fit

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Speaker 1: in with the new evidence that we have obtained that

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Speaker 1: shows that Cultma Laurie Valo and brother Alex Cox let

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Speaker 1: Charles Valo lie there and bleed out for forty three minutes.

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Speaker 1: And when is it that Cultma Laurie Valo goes to

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Speaker 1: Burger King. I guess murdering her husband made her hungry

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00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: and shopping for flip flops right after Charles was shot.

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Speaker 1: According to the documents, Alex shot Charles. Laurie then takes

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Speaker 1: JJ out to Burger King and to Walgreen's, and then,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, forty three minutes later, the police are called.

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Speaker 1: Alex didn't just shoot him once in self defense as

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Speaker 1: he claimed. He shot him once, and then when Charles

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Speaker 1: fell to the floor and was lying on the floor,

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Speaker 1: he shot him again. And that the you know clincher here,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say is that he if it

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Speaker 1: wasn't self defense, you would think he might shoot once

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Speaker 1: and take off from the house. But now we know

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Speaker 1: that that that isn't the case. And meanwhile, Laurie goes

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Speaker 1: dark after all of this. She doesn't have any communication

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Speaker 1: with the grandparents. And in these new text messages that

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Speaker 1: we received in these documents, you've got the grandmother sending

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Speaker 1: her a message saying are you all okay? Just days

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Speaker 1: after Charles died. She wants JJ to be able to

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Speaker 1: come to his father's service, but Laurie would not let him.

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Speaker 1: JJ wasn't able to go pay final respects to his dad.

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Speaker 1: Grandma says, are you all okay? I'm worried. Please just

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Speaker 1: send a text? Did you see the fight? I tena

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Speaker 1: rays are you good with it? Kisses from JJ? Kisses

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Speaker 1: for JJ from me and Papa. And Laurie responds, sorry, yes,

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00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: we are okay. Been busy. I've never received an email.

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Speaker 1: We have to do some figuring out. JJ won't be

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Speaker 1: able to go to Louisiana next week. We're moving back

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Speaker 1: to Hawaii a SAP. Send me the address that you

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Speaker 1: want me to send the ashes to for your memorials.

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Speaker 1: I'll also send a box of things for Cole and Zach,

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Speaker 1: Charles's other sons if you could give it to them,

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Speaker 1: that would be great. Thanks. I mean, there's no emotion there.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome, you know I noticed that? And do you

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Speaker 1: actually Willcott? You'll have a field day with this chord.

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Speaker 1: Because Alex Cox is speaking, he shows no emotion whatsoever

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Speaker 1: about the day guy, right, absolutely no When you watch that,

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable to me. He's just just sitting and not

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Speaker 1: doing anything and no big deal. It is the most

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Speaker 1: bizarre but best evidence, because remember, let's talk about what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen in trial. All of these pictures, all

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00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: of this evidence, all of these videos are going to

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Speaker 1: come in not only approve the elements of the crime

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Speaker 1: of murder, but also, Nancy us you well know, to

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Speaker 1: show motives. The jury's gonna want to know why. They're

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00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna show all of this to show she killed everybody

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Speaker 1: in her way from her perspective, Nancy, I have to

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Speaker 1: say one other thing. I didn't want to jump in,

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Speaker 1: but I have to comment. If you notice on the

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Speaker 1: photos recently released from her eye class, they are all posed,

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Speaker 1: They're perfectly centered. There is a photo of Tyley Ryan

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00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: and Laurie Balowed day Belle that is contained in those

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Speaker 1: documents with the beach behind them in the water, perfectly posed.

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Speaker 1: There is a picture from Marie's phone that shows JJ

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Speaker 1: Balows sitting on a ride at Yellowstone Bear World. Not

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Speaker 1: only is he the only one on the ride, it's

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Speaker 1: perfectly centered. This photo of him on the couch on

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Speaker 1: the day that he was last seen. Most likely it's

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00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: perfectly taken, and it's honest, like he's perfectly posed playing

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Speaker 1: with something in his hands. It creeps me out that

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Speaker 1: all of these photos to me looked posed to doctor

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Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz joining US forensic psychologist and author of Criminal

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Speaker 1: Behavior way In, Doctor Sherry, Well, I agree that the

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00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: photos seem to be posed there. I do believe I

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00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: agree with you wholeheartedly, Nancy about the mementos, but not sentimental,

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00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: because these are clearly attachment to people, people who are

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Speaker 1: close to them. So when you have something like this

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Speaker 1: that I think helps fuel the evidence for the prosecutor

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00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: that this was planned. These people were in the way,

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00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: and day Bell and Valo are very comfortable with killing

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Speaker 1: people or having people killed, who are in their way,

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00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: who are interfering with whatever life it is that they

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Speaker 1: have imagined for themselves. It's chilling to me. Jessica MORGANA, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know the fact that these moments in tom are frozen,

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Speaker 1: I think is striking because it's almost, Nancy. The bizarre

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00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: thing about this is almost like they have left a

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00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: trail of bread crumbs every where they have gone. I

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00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: think some people would want to paint these people as

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00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: master criminals, but yet in their wake, they have left

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00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: a lot of forensic evidence behind, documenting everything that they did,

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00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: and not just what they did, but where they were

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00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: at specific times. That's why I agree with you that

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Speaker 1: there is going to be a tremendous amount of evidence

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00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: it's going to come out at trial in this case,

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Speaker 1: Dan Shilling, I don't think there was anything that the

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Speaker 1: children JJ entirely could have done to protect themselves from

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Speaker 1: their own mother. But what's your takeaway with me, Dan Shillings,

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Speaker 1: author of the Power of Awareness at Dan Shilling books

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Speaker 1: dot com. What do you make of it? Well, the

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00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: safety lesson really is, you know, for the children, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, Nancy, it's impossible for them to parse out

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Speaker 1: where threats might come from because all they know when

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Speaker 1: their children is this is my normal life. This is

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00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: light as it's supposed to be. But you know, really

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00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: it's for everybody else who is involved in the situation,

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Speaker 1: who has a stake in these children and their well being.

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Speaker 1: You know, the safety lesson is you don't wait for

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Speaker 1: law enforcements to reach out. You have to take that

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00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: step yourself, because personal safety can't be delegated. So it

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00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: goes back to these people who see something happening. The

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00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: necessity to take action is really it's driven by these

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00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: things that are they're human, they're innate. It's that back

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00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: to intuition and understanding your situation and being aware of it,

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00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: but tapping into that and not overriding it. That's the

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00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: common mistake people make in the modern era is they

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Speaker 1: override their intuition because we don't need it to survive

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Speaker 1: till tomorrow morning, as we our ancestors did thousands of

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Speaker 1: years ago. So it's to our detriment to not take

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Speaker 1: those steps. And that's where all of us can walk

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00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: away from this with something that we can utilize to

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Speaker 1: take care of the other people in our lives where

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00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: we see a problem. Wow, that's very insightful, Dan Shilling,

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Speaker 1: you know to you, Nate Eton, I've been pouring through

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Speaker 1: the documents that we've been able to see what do

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Speaker 1: you consider to be the most explosive or probitive in

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00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: other words, that proved something information evidence, So we were

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Speaker 1: saved from this data dump. Well, I think one of

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00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: the major things police are going to be looking at

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00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: is why Alex Cox was booking flights to Columbia. That

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00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: was an interesting new tid that we had not heard before.

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Speaker 1: He was going back and forth to Columbia. We also

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Speaker 1: have multiple multiple phones that Maury was using behind the

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Speaker 1: scene burner phones at least six numbers that she was using.

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Speaker 1: And we also have the a live stream camera that

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Speaker 1: was set up in Hawaii. Remember when everybody was saying,

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00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: what's happening with Chad and Maury, what are they doing? Well,

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00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: they were in Hawaii and police that set up a

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00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: phone or a camera right when they got there, and

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00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: they were monitoring their every move and for days there

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00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: was no movement outside of their rentals Fondo, which was interesting.

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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder what they were doing, how they

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00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: were coming and going. The fascinating thing to me, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: is this is one agency that released these documents and

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Speaker 1: a lot of them were redacted, probably thirty three percent

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00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: were redacted. What do all the other agencies have? What

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Speaker 1: does the FBI have that they haven't released? What are

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Speaker 1: the authorities in Idaho have that they haven't released? This

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Speaker 1: is the Chandler Police Department, and you've got four or

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Speaker 1: five other agencies. Imagine what we will know when this

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Speaker 1: all comes out. We wait as this heads to trial.

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Speaker 1: Cult mom Laurie Valo, her fifth husband Chad day Bell,

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Speaker 1: cult leader, stewing in the pot together Nancy Gray Crime story,

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye, said