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Speaker 2: Welcome through True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Body Movin.

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong is out for the evening, but we're being

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Speaker 2: joined by pop culture expert and casting director Dorano Fear,

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Speaker 2: who is going to be breaking down some of the

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Speaker 2: major pop culture crime cases of the moment. For example,

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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry, you know the lethal dose that was apparently

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Speaker 2: given to him by the ketamine Queen. She is planning

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Speaker 2: on pleading guilty, So we'll be unpacking that a bit.

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Speaker 2: And most pressing, Body, You've been covering this awful story

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Speaker 2: of this missing child, and I know we're following it

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Speaker 2: very closely. Let's start with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is really sad.

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Speaker 4: So warrants have been issued for the cell phones belonging

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Speaker 4: to Emmanuel Harrow's parents as deputies continue their search for

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Speaker 4: the missing seven month old in southern California. So authorities

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Speaker 4: are investigating the suspicious disappearance of seven month old Emmanuel

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Speaker 4: Horrow in Ukaipa, California, that's just outside of Riverside zam

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Speaker 4: Or Nadino area. The focus is increasingly on the baby's

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Speaker 4: parents amid like really really inconsistent accounts, prior abuse convictions,

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Speaker 4: and a newly reported sighting in Kern County, which is

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Speaker 4: like up north a little bit. This all happened on

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Speaker 4: August fourteenth. Rebecca o'harrow, that is Emmanuel's mother, reported that

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Speaker 4: her son Emmanuel was abducted outside of Big five Sporting

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Speaker 4: Goods after she was knocked unconscious while changing his diaper.

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Speaker 4: So she said she was changing his diaper.

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Speaker 2: She she is very elaborate too, in a parking lot,

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Speaker 2: in a parking lot, she said that, but he walked

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Speaker 2: up to her and said, oh lah, and that was

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Speaker 2: the last thing she remembers she got She went on conscious, right,

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Speaker 2: that's what she says, right.

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Speaker 3: So that's her, that's what she's saying.

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Speaker 4: So this all happened outside again the Big five Sporting

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Speaker 4: Goods store. You know, there's all these contradictions in her

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Speaker 4: story that have been emerging, and no abductor or any

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Speaker 4: credible lead has materialized. The investigation has pivoted towards parents,

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Speaker 4: as I stated, both who have concerning criminal histories and

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Speaker 4: whose home has since been searched with cadaver dogs. So

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Speaker 4: we know, whenever there's cadaver dogs brought in, it's never

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Speaker 4: Usually it's a good indication of what the investigators are thinking.

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Speaker 4: You know, you can kind of monitor what is happening

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Speaker 4: in an investigation. But what kind of dogs are they

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Speaker 4: using or using tracking dogs? Are they using cadaver dog?

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Speaker 4: You know, like what kind of dogs? So cadaver dogs

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Speaker 4: are used, of course to find bodies. So that's another

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Speaker 4: good thing, terrible and tragic. Hopefully she maybe there's a

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Speaker 3: Is it suppol she's still out there?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean maybe, I hope. So it's

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Speaker 4: been what today's day six, I don't know. So San

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Speaker 4: Bernardino and Versus Riverside County Sheriff's departments have launched a

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Speaker 4: really extensive search for Emmanuel, using helicopters K nine teams.

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Speaker 4: Do you know, they're going through surveillance footage. And despite

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Speaker 4: all these efforts, there's been no sign of a manual

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Speaker 4: and Amber alert has not been issued. Well because for

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Speaker 4: an amberlert, you need a suspect vehicle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh they're objective though, but you would think they

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Speaker 2: would have a suspect vehicle potentially if they've honed in

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Speaker 2: on any suspect. Well, I guess you can't put there.

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Speaker 4: We have to address something very quickly. I'm so sorry

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Speaker 4: you guys. I have to interrupt. I have Yogi with

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Speaker 4: me and he's sick and so he's making some noises

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Speaker 2: Of course it's okay.

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Speaker 3: So bad, I feel bad. I feel bad.

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Speaker 4: Yogi's my dog, He's my little Pomeranian and he's not

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Speaker 4: a little cold and he's okay. But anyway, I just

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Speaker 4: And my poor dog is behind me, yucking, and I

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Speaker 4: feel terrible about that. So yeah, so yeah. An Amber

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Speaker 4: alert typically involves some sort of vehicle.

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Speaker 4: Usually when you get an Amber alert, it will say

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Speaker 4: It won't do this kind of thing in extraordinary circumstances,

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Speaker 4: Don't for medication, Yeah, away from medication, those kinds of things.

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Speaker 4: They'll also issue an amber alert, but they have not

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Speaker 4: issued one for a manual. So August eighteenth, a couple

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Speaker 4: Cadaver dogs were used in searches around the property. Jake Carrow,

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Speaker 4: the couple's two year old child has been removed again.

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Speaker 4: Emmanuel is seven months old, but he also.

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Speaker 2: Has such a list guy at this point, Yeah, such exactly.

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Speaker 4: So the couple's two year old child has been removed

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Speaker 2: It's strange not to take one if it's you're being

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Speaker 2: accused of something that is so heinous. The loss of

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Speaker 2: your child they're missing, you would do anything in your

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Speaker 2: power to move that investigation along. Of course, she should

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Speaker 2: take a lie detector test, you know, dad should take

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Speaker 2: Also putting police out, you know, law enforcement has a

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Speaker 4: Right, and you know, there's a lot of inconsistencies too

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of social media buzz right now.

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Speaker 4: That you know, they run like a kind of like

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Speaker 2: Right like he never even attended. So she was already

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it's true. I do not believe in

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Speaker 2: Though we've seen it so many times, but it's rare.

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Speaker 3: I just can't believe that it would be true.

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Speaker 4: I mean, most recently we sawt with Quentin Simon, and

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so too much, it is, it's too much,

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Speaker 2: and she was too much time. She lied the whole time,

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Speaker 4: So you know, I mean, it's it does happen, you know,

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Speaker 4: But I'm not saying she's guilty by any stretch of

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Speaker 4: the imagination. I am the last person that wants to blame. Well,

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Speaker 4: she was very convincing. Smile by the way, very convincing.

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Speaker 4: And you know, again, this is why amber alerts have

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Speaker 4: and it's a really interesting process and it's literally like

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Speaker 2: There's prongs to it. It's a headquarters. It is very

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Speaker 2: Anybody who you know, misuses law enforcement in cases like

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Speaker 3: Well, then yesterday we were on the air and remember.

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Speaker 2: No, they lawyered up with separate lawyers, which again says

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Speaker 2: This is where kind again, we shouldn't be We're not

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Speaker 3: And again I want to say too. I think I

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Speaker 4: But there was no CCTV outside of the Big five store,

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Speaker 4: which is very interesting to me because most establishments have CCTV.

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Speaker 4: So I kind of feel like this was almost cased out,

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Speaker 4: but I don't have any evidence of that. August twentieth,

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Speaker 4: to keep all this under wraps until they know for sure.

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Speaker 4: But you don't want to put if it is him,

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Speaker 4: and I hope it is, but if it is him,

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Speaker 4: because then maybe they might hurt the child or.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or change their story or get out of dodge

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Speaker 4: Right So Jake Harrow, who is the father. He has

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Speaker 5: Really? Oh yeah, you know, this is a fascinating story.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's sort of like, was she the queen?

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't know about that. We do know

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Speaker 5: Remember and remember, Charlie Sheen really came his His notoriety

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Speaker 2: That's right. However, again, the ketamine thing is a whole

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Speaker 5: Well, Okay, first of all, ketamine is an independent drug,

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Speaker 2: Right which he was doing I think by all accounts,

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Speaker 5: Well, the question is was she administering it? Was she

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Speaker 5: But they're facing fifteen to twenty five years in federal

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Speaker 5: sixty five. So really, my question about this case is

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Speaker 2: I love Matthew Perry. It's a Demist's so happy.

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Speaker 5: He struggled an entire life of addiction. He was very

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Speaker 3: They tried to like halt the abuse.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the American unagree, correct, the American pharmaceutical companies.

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Speaker 2: Hold that thought for one second. Hold that thought, because

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Speaker 7: And that's the conversation. Sorry you afteran no worries. I'm

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Speaker 7: I don't know how I don't know this woman, But two.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you don't know her either, And

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Speaker 4: really do you guys don't know. Doron really is a

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Speaker 4: thank God, to give us all the true crime pop

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Speaker 2: I'm really surprised you don't know who she is.

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Speaker 5: Well, of course I know she is now and you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll get you a new one.

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Speaker 5: Is in terms of the benefits of Kennymine, this is

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Speaker 5: to some extent, So this is the next wave of that. However,

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Speaker 2: And I think this is giving fifty vials of an

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Speaker 5: But is it aco crime. It's a drug, it's a

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Speaker 5: it's sort of like, who's the most famous drug overdose

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Speaker 5: that you would think of? And what comes into my

435
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 5: mind is immediately Marilyn Monroe, you.

436
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Speaker 2: Know, Michael Jackson, Phoenix.

437
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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I mean I mean Anna, Nicole Smith, Oh yeah,

438
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 5: you know, Jim Belushi.

439
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all tragedies.

440
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Speaker 5: Correct. Sorry, But do we now have to like sort

441
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Speaker 5: of go back in time or is this going to

442
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 5: change the pattern? Now from a law and legal perspective, great,

443
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 5: take down the distributors, Yeah, take.

444
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: Down the rings if in fact that's the case. And

445
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: we've heard this even from Kelly Osbourne, who's spoken out

446
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: pretty actively about you know, rehabilitation centers being real hotbeds

447
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: for creeps who are looking to get people addicted to drugs.

448
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: They use those centers to pedal drugs to the very

449
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: people who a maybe have some money in their pocket

450
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Speaker 2: because they're there and some of these places are very

451
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: expensive and they're vulnerable. And in this case, was she

452
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Speaker 2: involved with.

453
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Speaker 3: Any other kind of drugs or just ketamine?

454
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Speaker 2: Who just ketamine? Know all kinds of drugs. And she

455
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: had also in a previous case with a young man

456
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Speaker 2: also you know in La he was like an up

457
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Speaker 2: and coming want to be like fitness instructor, and he too,

458
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Speaker 2: you know, she gave him a doseph ketamine.

459
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Speaker 5: And you know you're talking about you're talking about queen

460
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Speaker 5: correct we circle back.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just was wondering, No, no.

462
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Speaker 5: You're right body to ask that question. But she's affiliated

463
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Speaker 5: with every drug, methamphetamine, cocaine. So that's where I to

464
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 5: think of her more as a queen pin right, rather

465
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Speaker 5: than you know, and unfortunately, look, you guys are right.

466
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Speaker 5: She was affiliated with another death, Cody McLaury in twenty nineteen,

467
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Speaker 5: who also died of a ketamine overdose. And he was

468
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Speaker 5: somebody that was supposedly a beautiful soul. He was a

469
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Speaker 5: fitness trainer. He had just moved to Hollywood with a

470
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Speaker 5: Hollywood dream. He was not a celebrity, but he or

471
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Speaker 5: an actor, but he was hoping to become one. And

472
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Speaker 5: what's nuts about this is that Kimberly his sister. She

473
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Speaker 5: had then called and confronted jazz Vine. What and I've

474
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Speaker 5: got something about her text messages when we return.

475
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Speaker 3: Oh well that was a good tease.

476
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Speaker 2: You're all right now? Goodness? Look at this? Yeah, take

477
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Speaker 2: us to the close, baby, we'll stay with us. Coming

478
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Speaker 2: up next, we're going to have what Deron was talking

479
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Speaker 2: about and an exclusive look at the Idaho student murder

480
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Speaker 2: season three, the Idaho Massacre.

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Speaker 3: Keep it right here, True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

483
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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie here with Body

484
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Speaker 2: and Courtney's out for the evening. But pop culture expert

485
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Speaker 2: Toronto Fear is here discussing this recent development with the

486
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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry overdose on ketamine. The air quotes ketamine Queen

487
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: has agreed to lead guilty to all charges and really

488
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Speaker 2: she fed him the lethal dose of ketamine that allegedly

489
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Speaker 2: killed him. So, Doro and I know you were finishing

490
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Speaker 2: up your thought, but now that we're back, go ahead.

491
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Speaker 5: I was talking about justice for Cody, who was the

492
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Speaker 5: original victim of twenty nineteen. And you know what was

493
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Speaker 5: interesting about that was that when his sister, Kimberly, had

494
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Speaker 5: obtained his phone, she had turned over these text messages

495
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Speaker 5: between her passed away brother and Jasmine and then she

496
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Speaker 5: confronted Jazzbine about it. And now in this current case,

497
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 5: those text messages just have come back and she the

498
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Speaker 5: investigators just saying that she googled after receiving those text messages,

499
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Speaker 5: can ketamine be listed as a cause of death?

500
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Speaker 2: Oh, so she knew.

501
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Speaker 5: And that's where justice for Cody is now. And there

502
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 5: was just recently somebody asked for a vintigation like it's

503
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: it's vindication to Kimberly, and she said, it's just regret

504
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 5: and that if they would have listened to them back

505
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 5: then maybe Matthew could have been spared.

506
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: And ultimately tragedy.

507
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 5: And ultimately Singa has now admitted saying I am guilty

508
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 5: of the charges. So she acknowledges this, Yeah, acknowledges it.

509
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: And if you know, convicted for all counts, she's looking

510
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Speaker 2: at maybe up to sixty five years in prison.

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Speaker 5: Along with with Kenneth Awamasa and Perry.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a little bit of the Michael Jackson

513
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: a little bit all right, the pope offal and a

514
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: doctor prescribing something that you know was lethal. Because you know, Baddie,

515
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: you were saying this in the break, it's because sometimes

516
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 2: people can't say no, right.

517
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Speaker 5: You know. But doctor dear Boss, Well, but doctor Conrad Murray,

518
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Speaker 5: who's the doctor of the Michael Jackson case. You know,

519
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 5: he was convicted, but he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Right,

520
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 5: So with this case, she is a supplier, you know,

521
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 5: sort of the godmother of drugs, I guess if you

522
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 5: want to call it. And you know, and she's as

523
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Speaker 5: a drug dealer. I mean, you could already see the

524
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Speaker 5: miniseries coming, you know, kind of me Queen of Hollywood,

525
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 5: but which I'll watch on you know, Ryan Murphy Special.

526
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 5: But here it comes, and you know these stories even

527
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 5: Prince in twenty sixteen when he dies of his overdose

528
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 5: of ketamine, the question was where did he get it,

529
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Speaker 5: who supplied it, and who's culpable And this is a

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Speaker 5: bigger question we should follow moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just are seeing this real time, you know,

532
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: during a case we covered you know, we've covered this

533
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: a few times with Joseph Scott Morgan, the forensics expert.

534
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: You know, he's the one who's kind of trained us

535
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: to know in many of these drug panels that are

536
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Speaker 2: done on an autopsy, if you're not asking for specific things,

537
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: ketamine is just not on the regular panel either. So

538
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: something to be aware of. We're seeing this, you know,

539
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: toxicology panel be a big deal, even in that mon

540
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: talk story that we were talking about the other night.

541
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: So it's important stuff, and it's important stuff for us

542
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: just to be at least looking at.

543
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 5: It's time to look at enablers, you know, who were

544
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 5: the enablers that caused these deaths?

545
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: And it also brings factor It also brings me up.

546
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 5: To Anonicle Smith. That makes me think about that becauselers

547
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 5: they conspired with.

548
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: Howard Stern yep, the lawyer. The lawyer, we should talk

549
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: more about that one as well.

550
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 5: So and the psychiatrist, both of them, that's true.

551
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: The psychiatrist too, right, gave her jugs of it.

552
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: Although a Nicole's daughter turned out so she's so lowly.

553
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: Have you seen her in her little interviews and her

554
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: dress wearing the dress, Oh, the dress was so beautiful

555
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: and the dad is so devoted so sweet. I know,

556
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Speaker 2: I know, I really like the image of her little face.

557
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 8: I know.

558
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I love happy endings for her tragic loss.

559
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: So sad I was really said when she died?

560
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Speaker 5: I was?

561
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Speaker 9: I was.

562
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 2: I understand.

563
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Speaker 3: We have a talkback. Can we hear the.

564
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Speaker 10: Talk about Hey, this is Steve from Vegas. I'm wondering

565
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 10: now that the Coburger docs have dropped and there's so

566
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 10: much information about him being a complete whack job, why

567
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 10: he wasn't immediately suspected and also is that why the

568
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 10: cops tailed him and his father? Thanks?

569
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Speaker 3: Good question, such a great question. Thank you for the talkback.

570
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Speaker 2: Steve.

571
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Speaker 3: You know, we don't know, you know, don't We don't

572
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Speaker 3: know those things.

573
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Speaker 4: So the only thing that we have right now are

574
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Speaker 4: the police reports when so like something happens and they

575
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: make a report, right, we don't have any of like

576
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: the real investigative documents, like the filings, the findings.

577
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: Right, we don't. We just don't know.

578
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 11: Now.

579
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: We do know that there were thirteen formal complaints made

580
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: by WSU faculty and students, and that he was eventually fired,

581
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: but he was fined like after the murders.

582
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: It's all but a lot of the stuff leading up.

583
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: To the murders were what we people were complaining about, right,

584
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: because after the murders he seemed like fine, So a

585
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: lot of the complaints were pre murder. But he didn't

586
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 3: get fired until after anyway, so we don't know.

587
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: Well that's to tell, right, Like there were rumblings about him,

588
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: and I think too, you know, great question, because really

589
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: there were a lot of red flags, many many, many

590
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: documented red flags along the way. And again some of

591
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: this is all in hindsight, right, but it's important stuff.

592
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: And yeah, I do think personally this is based on

593
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: my personal opinion only that yeah, the cops were tracking him.

594
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: This guy was displaying such psychotic behavior, the kind that

595
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: you see in movies. Honestly, Yeah, no, for real.

596
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: I mean this is like the stuff of nightmares his behavior, right, but.

597
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 5: Not only not to think that now we know what

598
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 5: we know and after his admission, right exactly, the fact

599
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 5: that even people questioned it leading up to this is

600
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 5: a real tragedy, exactly.

601
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: And by the way, I was one of those people.

602
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 2: By the way, doron, we haven't spoken about this and

603
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: he has you know, we now know on his phone,

604
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: meaning the killer Brian Coburger on his cell phone.

605
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: He was on Christmas Day. This guy was obsessed.

606
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, take it, boyd it Ron, I

607
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: have been dying to tell you this. I'm edge of

608
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: your seemed you're gonna die. He seemed pretty obsessed with

609
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: Guess who, Guess who who? The Gainesville Ripper? Yeah? No, yes,

610
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: he was like really down a rabbit hole on him.

611
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: And I know that's the case you presented to you

612
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: talking about, Like, how come we don't talk about that

613
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: one too much? Well, apparently, Brian Coburger, we now know

614
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: amongst the other twenty serial killers that he was researching

615
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: on Christmas Day, Dan had a personal, a real, real

616
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: extra fascination with.

617
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Speaker 5: Jaws.

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Speaker 4: Can you tell people about Danny briefly the people familiar

619
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Speaker 4: with that, because it's important.

620
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 5: Look, it's one of the most tragic cases in serial

621
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Speaker 5: killer history. And not only that, it is the one

622
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 5: that to me makes my skin crawl and gives me

623
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 5: chills every day because he did it as performance, and

624
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 5: almost no other serial killers did it like that. Danny

625
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 5: Rollins killed sorority girls in an apartment, set them up

626
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 5: like puppets, strung them in the window, and did it

627
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 5: as a photo shoot, and so that when people walked by.

628
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: By the way, a k bar, Yeah, with a K bar,

629
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Speaker 2: which is we now know likely the inspiration. You know, again,

630
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: this is a leap, not a fact. But let's just

631
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: connect that dot. Why that knife? We could ask that

632
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: question so many times, possibly because it was Danny Rollins. Wow.

633
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Speaker 3: I mean, I've been just dying to tell you that I.

634
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: Can't believe it, you know, because I I just thought

635
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: that it was. It was eerily similar, you know, especially

636
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 5: the whole Sorority killings, and you know Danny Rollins and

637
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 5: his fascination with horror of the eighties, Light Black Christmas

638
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 5: and you know those kind of movies. It this just

639
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 5: made my skin, my blood go cold.

640
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: I knew it was.

641
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 4: I was like when I I think I texted Stephanie

642
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 4: and Ellis.

643
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: We were like, oh, oh my goodness. I mean now

644
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: I believe it.

645
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 4: So so we know this now, we know this now,

646
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: and it's you know, a red flag. He had downloaded

647
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: multiple he clicked on the link multiple times basically on Christmas,

648
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 4: on Christmas and and by the way, prior to the

649
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: murders as well.

650
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 5: I mean, this is really nuts because you know those

651
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 5: crimes happened in August of nineteen ninety, so you're talking,

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Speaker 5: you know, what is a twenty five years later, and

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Speaker 5: you know he and by the way, by the way, my.

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Speaker 4: Mathe I know, it seems impossible that nineteen ninety was

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Speaker 4: like thirty five years ago.

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Speaker 2: I just graduated high school.

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Speaker 3: And what the heck, guys, you quit it, quit it.

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Speaker 2: You're perfect and you're so young.

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Speaker 5: And think about this for a second. Rawlings murdered five

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Speaker 5: college students. He murdered four women and one man, which

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Speaker 5: is eerily similar, early similar, But I guess the difference

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Speaker 5: is is he didn't just kill them. He mutilated and

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Speaker 5: post them.

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Speaker 2: He did, and that might have been the next step

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Speaker 2: for this sicko. You know, like Brian Coburger, we now

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Speaker 2: know is a total, absolute maniac, regardless of how he

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Speaker 2: was raised, regardless of the opportunities he had. This is

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Speaker 2: a maniac by his own admission. So yeah, he was

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Speaker 2: getting little nods from all kinds of places.

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Speaker 5: Do we know if it he this is his only killing.

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Speaker 2: Well, we know he's got some like spooky, creepy, like

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Speaker 2: very annoying things. He's been a creep Go ahead, But

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Speaker 2: I didn't mean to cut you off. But yeah, totally creepy.

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Speaker 5: Well because remember that Danny Rollins. Also after he was

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Speaker 5: arrested and everything else. Later they found out that evidence

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Speaker 5: tied Danny Rollins to a triple homicide in Shreeve Fort,

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Speaker 5: Louisiana in nineteen eighty nine. So he had a like

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Speaker 5: a predilection. So now my worry is that Brian Coburger,

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Speaker 5: this was his first of what could have been many,

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Speaker 5: so luckily and the grace of the courts have put

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Speaker 5: him away at his own self admission, obviously, but I

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Speaker 5: worry that there might suddenly be something else.

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Speaker 4: That might and there might be now he was investigated.

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Speaker 4: There was a grand jury inquiry into his possible involvement

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Speaker 4: of a murder or a missing person murder in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 4: but he was eventually he was cleared. I'm sure now

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Speaker 4: that they have his DNA obviously they obviously we have

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Speaker 4: his DNA's in prison, but I'm sure they're running it.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sure they have for other states, you know,

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Speaker 3: like you know, in Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Probably New York, probably Ohio, probably Pennsylvania obviously, you know,

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Speaker 4: the surrounding states.

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Speaker 2: It is an escalation, like even when we started, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Idaho Massacre. Season three drops today on or dropped

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Speaker 2: earlier on the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: App as well the podcast. You'll check it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like when we started that at season one, it

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Speaker 2: seemed impossible to imagine that this guy did it. He

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Speaker 2: seemed like he was the outcast. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: thought people were piling on and jumping to conclusions too quickly.

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Speaker 2: And what a joke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is, well, he is a joke.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I don't trust anybody with a long

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Speaker 5: neck and a large atoms apple.

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Speaker 2: Really is that something to look out for.

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Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's a trade. I'm not

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Speaker 5: an expert in this, but you know, hey.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to hear it. Yeah, I didn't want

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Speaker 3: to hear from anybody with large atams.

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Speaker 2: And listen, the good news is that Brian Coburger is

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Speaker 2: having a really hard go of it behind bars. He

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Speaker 2: surely know minute to minute, it's just getting harder and

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Speaker 2: harder for this creep to survive all the noise. It's

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Speaker 2: maddening they're being unkind to him. What do we want

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Speaker 2: for our Brian Coburger? I mean, what a joke?

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Speaker 3: Right, And you know.

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Speaker 4: And in the next in the you know coming up,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be telling you some of the complaints

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Speaker 4: he's been making.

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Speaker 3: He made formal complaints coming.

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Speaker 5: From a narcissist. He thought he was going to go

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Speaker 5: to prison, and he was going to get love letters

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Speaker 5: and he was going to you know, get women's like

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Speaker 5: underwear sent to him. That's what he thought was going

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Speaker 5: to happen. And I'm glad that he is in a

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Speaker 5: maximum security prison. I'm glad that he's in a period but.

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Speaker 2: Cell with one hour of daylight alone, Mammy too exact

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Speaker 2: coming in here here coming up, I'm going to be

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Speaker 2: filling you in on those complaints that he's making in prison.

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Speaker 4: And Justin Baldoni just won't quit. His co star is

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Speaker 4: speaking out about alleged legal harassment.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about the Kenemine Queen and her recent

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Speaker 2: plea for guilt. She's now pled guilty for the lethal

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Speaker 2: dose that killed Matthew Perry, the friend star, which is

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Speaker 2: which is so sad first and foremost, and also now

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Speaker 2: where Idaho, you know, we want to be talking about

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Speaker 2: that in a lot more depth. We have the Idaho

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Speaker 2: Massacre podcast also dropping tonight, season three, and yeah, we

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Speaker 2: have a talkback now.

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Speaker 12: Oh, hey, guys, I love the show and I was

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Speaker 12: actually curious. Have you guys heard about the Department of

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Speaker 12: Justice worker who got charged for a felony of soul

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Speaker 12: after he threw a sandwich at an official.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did hear this.

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Speaker 5: That's the viral meme that it's the gift that keeps

746
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: on giving. It is, he's a pair of He's in

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Speaker 5: a pair of khaki shorts and yelling at some sort

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Speaker 5: of an officer and wings the subway sandwich at him

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Speaker 5: and then books away and his loafers, and they tackled him.

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Speaker 5: But I only watched it. I only watched the takedown

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Speaker 5: because I'm on.

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Speaker 2: Those like videos.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know the backstory. I don't know why

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Speaker 5: he was doing I do.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear it. Let's hear it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know the whole backstory, but we knew

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Speaker 4: that the National Guard has been deployed to Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: And that you know, Trump is saying there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of crime there and they need these National Guard people

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Speaker 4: there because of all crime. Right, Well, a Department of

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Speaker 4: Justice employee. I don't know if this guy was getting

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Speaker 4: harassed because it is being reported that people are being harassed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but I don't know if it's true. Understand, this

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Speaker 3: Department of Justice employee had a confrontation with one of

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Speaker 3: the officers, and you know, he literally had a sandwich

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Speaker 3: in his said, just threw it. After what.

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Speaker 2: Now he's getting charged the felony.

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Speaker 5: It's all viral.

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Speaker 2: You should not throw a subway sandwich at law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: Is that a felony? Come on?

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Speaker 5: Yes? Why because it was soft and smushy? Yes, well

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Speaker 5: the way siland by the way, I thought he was

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Speaker 5: yuppified like crazy and whatever that polo shirt whether he

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Speaker 5: was wearing, and those those khaki shorts and honestly boat shoes,

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Speaker 5: and so I'm watching this guy like in his face, like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: here's the deal. Whatever you think about law enforcement, whatever

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Speaker 5: you think about governmental sort of like law things, it

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Speaker 5: is a little bit of a yes sir, no, sir,

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Speaker 5: sorry sir kind of situation. To get yourself out of it.

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Speaker 5: If you're pulled over regards whether you were doing nothing,

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Speaker 5: the first thing to do is not to say I

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Speaker 5: wasn't doing anything, and who were you to pull me over?

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Speaker 5: You're making me late to work, right, You're just you're

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Speaker 5: just opening up a box of trouble. So whatever the

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Speaker 5: reason was, that guy was in his face and he

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Speaker 5: wong he like, he literally winged that sandwich. And it

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Speaker 5: was funny because he you you gotta look it up.

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Speaker 5: It's all over the internet. It has gone crazy by it.

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Speaker 5: He wings that sandwich, turns around and runs he like books,

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Speaker 5: and they set the enforcement whatever they were stood there

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Speaker 5: for a second and then went in a full chase,

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Speaker 5: and the people filming it, you know, filming it whatever

793
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Speaker 5: bystander happened to have seen it, get him, take him down,

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Speaker 5: and they tackled that boy.

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Speaker 3: They did.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And then it turns out that he worked

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Speaker 5: for the Justice Department.

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Speaker 2: And now he's wait, the boy, diddy sandwich thrower works

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Speaker 2: for the government.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for the Department of.

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Speaker 2: This he's a Department of Justice employee.

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Speaker 5: No, BANDI was like, oh no, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't get oh Pan's head enough.

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Speaker 3: I think this could be a distraction. Okay, this could be.

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Speaker 2: This is a distraction. Don't get me started. This is

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Speaker 2: a distraction. We all know it. This is topic.

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Speaker 3: This is the crime.

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Speaker 2: Nation is protecting us from sandwich throwers exactly exactly what

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Speaker 2: this is. Where we are Americas of America.

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Speaker 5: You're trying to do something else and the sandwich storers

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Speaker 5: are getting in the way.

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Speaker 2: We'll listen to Ron. You're gonna stick with us, right so, Doronto,

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Speaker 2: if you're casting, will be joining us in the next hour. Listen.

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Speaker 2: If you've missed any of the shows so far, no sweat,

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Speaker 2: you could always catch it this podcast right back after

816
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Speaker 2: and we will be right back stay with us. Hey,

817
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Speaker 2: so listen, we have Doronto Fear pop culture expert back

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Speaker 2: with us. We've been talking about all kinds of true

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Speaker 2: crime cases in this pop culture world, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to get back to that. But first, Brian Coburger, we

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Speaker 2: have a little bit of a talk back about that

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 9: Hello to everyone in the studio.

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Speaker 13: This is Julie.

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Speaker 9: I have a comment and a question. You had a

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Speaker 9: talk back last night with a gentleman asking.

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Speaker 2: Why you still talk about BK.

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Speaker 9: Well, knowledge is power and the more we know, the

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Speaker 9: more we can avoid crime. Also, I'm wondering if Brian

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Speaker 9: Coldberger still gets Vegan Mills. I've not heard that mentioned anywhere.

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Speaker 9: Thank you and you are my favorite podcast.

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Speaker 3: Ah, thank that's so nice. I'm so sweet. Knowledge is

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Speaker 3: power and you know we you know, we do try

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Speaker 3: to the goal For me, at least in my personal

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Speaker 3: you know, journey with this stuff is to learn as

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Speaker 3: much as I can. You know, I'm a single gale,

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Speaker 3: I live alone, you know what I'm.

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Speaker 2: That is not true everybody with lots of security, with

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Speaker 2: many people holding guns by the roof. I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: one hypervigilance.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, we do try to learn. And second of all,

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Speaker 4: the vegan meals. So this there's some news. Okay, I

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Speaker 4: do believe he's getting vegan mills, by the way, No,

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Speaker 4: he is getting vegan meals.

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Speaker 2: This guy.

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Speaker 5: Can you in the irony of him wanting a vegan

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Speaker 5: meal because he wants to Like, you know, animals have

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Speaker 5: a soul. I agree they do, but not when you're

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Speaker 5: murdering other things with souls like I think he would

850
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Speaker 5: just be like ripping meat off his chink bone, you

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Speaker 5: know exactly.

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Speaker 4: He's a vegan for health reasons, it's not he's he

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Speaker 4: doesn't give a crap about right, so he can't.

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Speaker 5: We'll hear that, do you hear the high pitch of

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Speaker 5: my tiny violin?

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Speaker 4: No, I know, I'm just saying, I'm just letting people know,

857
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Speaker 4: like he he has visual snow, and he posted on

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Speaker 4: a forum when he was a teenager and one of

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Speaker 4: the suggestions was to change his diet to help with

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Speaker 4: this visual snow wh hatchment that he was facing, and

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Speaker 4: exercise and things like that, and so he did those

862
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Speaker 4: things and he posted and he said it is helping.

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Speaker 4: So he's a vegan, not because he cares about animals

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Speaker 4: or he cares about anybody but himself.

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Speaker 5: He's a vegan, apologized to the truth. Honestly, I like,

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Speaker 5: because you know, I do, I do honor that that

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Speaker 5: people I know for moral reasons. I just you know,

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Speaker 5: he gets so under my skin that every time I

869
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 5: hear anything about him, I'm just like, good, Like I

870
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 5: just want to be with pom poms and that little

871
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 5: puff on my sneaker doing high kicks.

872
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: Mm hm. I agree.

873
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I totally agree. I mean, it's just

874
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: the way it is.

875
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 5: But Julie the callback, Yes, he's still getting vegan meals.

876
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 4: He's still get as far as I know, he's getting

877
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 4: vegan meals. But my understanding, my understanding is that we

878
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: actually have a live caller. Uh can we get the caller?

879
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 4: Anders Hi, Welcome to the show.

880
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 11: My Anders.

881
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, are you good?

882
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: Are you glad you called? What's your question?

883
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 14: I'm good. I So I live in Rhode Island, and

884
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 14: I was curious if you guys heard about the story

885
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 14: of Kylie Monteriro.

886
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: No, no, tell us this Rhode Island story.

887
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 14: Sure, so she is actually technically Massachusetts story. But her

888
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 14: remains were just found yesterday in her ex boyfriend's backyard.

889
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 14: She was just a teenager. She was allegedly eleven weeks

890
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 14: pregnant or so, and her her body had been missing

891
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 14: all week and they found it in the her ex's backyard.

892
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 14: And he confessed to the surer today.

893
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: He confessed today. Did he give any reason in this confession?

894
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 14: As far as I can see, there's not much of

895
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 14: a reason. I was curious if you guys would maybe

896
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 14: learn more about it, and yes, the story over the

897
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 14: most couple of days.

898
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it.

899
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 5: What a horrifying tragedy, what a.

900
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: Horrible tragedy, and what a great, you know, piece of information.

901
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: You know we'll dig into that and cover tomorrow for sure. Yeah.

902
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 5: No, thank you for the you for calling in, and

903
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: a shout out to Rhode Island, because you know, I'm

904
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 5: from Apple Valley in pascog So just a little hometown

905
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 5: chair to you.

906
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 2: I thought you were from Long Island. Such a big

907
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: personality from such a little state.

908
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 5: Well that's where my grandma was.

909
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Doron also spent a lot of time on

910
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: Long Island. Yeah, there you go.

911
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: So in relation to Brian Coberger and the vegan meals,

912
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 4: he's been making some complaints okay in prison. So for

913
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: a little back history, backstory, Brian Coberger officially was transferred to.

914
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: Uh, the J Block, right, we know that.

915
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 4: What's his space is there, Chad day Bell and J

916
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 4: Block is kind of like a mixed pod of people.

917
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: There's people on death row in J Block. There's people

918
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 4: that need, you know, like segregation from other inmates.

919
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: It's very kind of the worst of the worst. Yeah,

920
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't get worse. It's as close to being on

921
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: death row as you could get.

922
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: Right.

923
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 4: So he's on Jay Block, and he was transferred to

924
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: J Block after his medical hold placement and all that.

925
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: But he was transferred on July twenty ninth. Okay, so

926
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 4: that's when he officially entered J Block. The very next day,

927
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 4: on July thirtieth, he submitted his first handwritten request asking

928
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: to be moved out of Jay Block, citing harassment and

929
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 4: difficult living conditions. A few days later, on August fourth,

930
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 4: he filed a formal sexual harassment complaint, describing threats from

931
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: other inmates. Okay, so do you guys want to know

932
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 4: what he said?

933
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: Yes, we sure do.

934
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 4: Okay, As I continue the SPP phase, I wish to

935
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 4: discuss if I may be transferred to another ACEG setting

936
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 4: as I'm not engaging in any of the recent flooding

937
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 4: fighting as well as being subject to my current roommate's

938
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: verbal threats. I want to make sure that all other

939
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 4: facets part of B Block is an environment that I

940
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: wish to transfer it from. If possible, I request transfer

941
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 4: to B Block immediately.

942
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: I wish to speak with you soon, because can.

943
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: You imagine this guy, the nerve of this guy is

944
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 2: complaining about the living conditions after he's murdered by his

945
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: own admissions for incredible humans, This guy and now going

946
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: to request a special meal and doesn't want to be

947
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: in such an uncomfortable position.

948
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 5: Right Well, I thought he was in solitary. He has

949
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 5: a roommate.

950
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 4: Is no, he doesn't have a roommate. He's talking about

951
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 4: his like people around him, and he can hear a.

952
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 5: Joint the cells adjoining whispering.

953
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: Through the vent Exactly. It's those vents that apparently fellow

954
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: inmates are all taking turns sort of torturing him by

955
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: keeping him awake and talking through the vents.

956
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: So the officer interviewed him, Okay, and it says in

957
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: this report that we have it says Lieutenant Maland Molliant

958
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 4: received the concern and conducted an interview with Coberger in

959
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: J Block. Coberger stated that a resident that goes by

960
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: the name Crew told him I will.

961
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: But f you.

962
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 5: Coburger.

963
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: Coburger also stated an unknown resident from Tier one of

964
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 4: J block said the only but we're going to be

965
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: eating tonight is Coburger's.

966
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's gonna happen. Have you not seen Shank Redemption?

967
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to exactly where I was going to

968
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: go with this. I used to be such a fan

969
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 5: of HBO's Oz Scar. The reason, it's the reason why

970
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 5: I've never broken the law because in a jail like

971
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 5: oz and the fact is is that he's so lucky

972
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 5: that he is not in a cell or in g

973
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 5: Pop gen Pop. Because we know what happens to be right,

974
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 5: pop any note.

975
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 4: Listen, we have decided as the societ though, and I

976
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: know it's so easy to be like, oh go, you know,

977
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: like he deserves it in you know whatever, But we

978
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 4: have decided as a society that prison is how we

979
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 4: handle these kinds of people, right, that's what that's the

980
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: punishment prison. You know, we have to make sure that

981
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 4: we're feeding them, we have to make sure they're safe.

982
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: We have to do those things.

983
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: And you know, I want to tell everybody too, Brian

984
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: Coberger is in no danger.

985
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: He's in a pretty good situation all things considered. He

986
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 2: really is.

987
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 4: So he's in a cell twenty three hours a day

988
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: by himself. He gets one hour he's everybody in that

989
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 4: block is escorted in chains. Okay, they should be never

990
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 4: in a moment. There is never a moment where somebody

991
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: is going to be able to shank him or you know,

992
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 4: rape him.

993
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 5: Historically, child abusers, serial killers, they've all been attacked in prison,

994
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 5: and there is sort of a prison justice thing. And

995
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 5: he doesn't seem to realize again because of his narcissistic disorder,

996
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 5: that he is not God. And then he doesn't get

997
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 5: preferable treatments.

998
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: Right, this is.

999
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: Your Cramptonight and iHeart Radio. We were right in the

1000
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 4: middle of talking about Brian Cobricker's complaints in prison.

1001
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: What do you have to say about it? How do

1002
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: you feel about it?

1003
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: Give us a call eighty to eight thirty one crime

1004
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 4: or hit the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. There's a

1005
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: lot of people who feel like, yeah, you know, he

1006
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: deserves this, and I get listen, I get it.

1007
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: But I just I think that's easy.

1008
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: I think that's easy to do.

1009
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 4: I think the harder position to take is we shouldn't

1010
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: really kind of encourage rape of any kind ever ever,

1011
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 4: in my opinion. Ever, Okay, and you know we shouldn't.

1012
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 4: This is what we've decided as a society that you know,

1013
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 4: we live in a civilized society, and this is what

1014
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: we decided to do with these people is.

1015
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 3: Put him in prison.

1016
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: And so it's our you know, as a society, our

1017
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: responsibility to make sure that that is functional in.

1018
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: He deserves a vegan meal because I don't care about

1019
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: the American way. No, I don't know. I hear you

1020
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: point taken though you won't. Yeah, that's what there we're

1021
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 2: but into that's just one side of me, Okay.

1022
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: The other side of me is like, go Peru, good

1023
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 4: for you, And I hope that the families of the

1024
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: victims are sleeping well tonight, knowing that he is suffering.

1025
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

1026
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: Like, there's the other side of me too. I'm just saying, like,

1027
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, I hate to say it, but I feel

1028
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: like he deserves it.

1029
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 5: So I'm a hye for an eye kind of a person,

1030
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 5: and that's.

1031
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: A very rare thing.

1032
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: I absolutely respect that.

1033
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: I absolutely respect both of your opinions because me too.

1034
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 5: I'd like to clarify that statement, because he's self admitted

1035
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 5: there was no question I.

1036
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: Was trying to prove a medicine for a long time.

1037
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 5: If there was a question that, could he be innocent,

1038
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 5: like my god, he If he was, then he doesn't

1039
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 5: deserve that. But that is that that question, that that

1040
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 5: moral dilemma does not exist here exactly.

1041
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: The gloves are off. Let him be hungry, let him

1042
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: be uncomfortable. Well, he has done unthinkable things and he

1043
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: now has to do the crime time the end, and

1044
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: it's not pretty well. In regards to the food and

1045
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: the talk back, right.

1046
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 4: He also submitted a complaint about that he's and here's

1047
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 4: what he said on the thirty first of July. Okay,

1048
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 4: I have on several occasions not received all items of

1049
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 4: food on my tray. What now, Listen, his handwriting is atrocious.

1050
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: It's it's like a serial killer. It's terrible. Like it's

1051
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: literally the worst I've ever seen in my life. So

1052
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: it's really hard to read. Okay, So but I'm doing

1053
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: my best. Okay, in your life. It is literally it's worse.

1054
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: It's worse than my niece when she was like in kindergarten.

1055
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it's just the worst. It really.

1056
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 4: But basically it boils down to he's missing food from

1057
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 4: his tray. And here's what he said. He said, I

1058
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 4: wish to, without exception, receive those replacements. So he keeps

1059
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 4: getting told basically that oh well, we'll fix it, but

1060
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 4: they never do.

1061
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: And he's making a complaint.

1062
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, making away your complaint to mother father like his

1063
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: mother father range and entitled. I kind of wonder if

1064
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: mother or father encouraged him, Oh, son, let them know

1065
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 2: you're missing your corn bread, Do you know what I mean?

1066
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 5: Like, I think the takeaway here is that the educational

1067
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 5: system has failed us, and we need to bring cursive

1068
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 5: back into my.

1069
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: God Dolan, I was talking about this today.

1070
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 4: Unrelated. My handwriting has gotten so bad. I don't write

1071
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 4: anything anymore.

1072
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 3: I don't teach it.

1073
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 5: They don't each they don't you know, big a little a.

1074
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: Shut up script.

1075
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

1076
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 5: I mean from the curriculum.

1077
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: Stop it. Oh are you telling me that my niece's

1078
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: kids won't be able to read like my cards that

1079
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: I send them.

1080
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 5: They're not going to get that little.

1081
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: Card AI, Stop it.

1082
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 5: They're not going to get that. They're not going to

1083
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 5: get that little blue book where you have to write

1084
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 5: every single letter and then connect to them and then

1085
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 5: you draw that one g as like an umbrella, you know,

1086
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 5: like they don't learn that anymore.

1087
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Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

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00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: That's all rime.

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00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 4: Stick around. We have more coming up. We're going to

1090
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 4: be talking probably about Brian Coberger a little bit more,

1091
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 4: because I have a lot more going on my.

1092
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 3: Plate here with about this.

1093
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: Keep it right here at True Crime Tonight. We're talking

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00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: true crime all the time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We have a caller in the line right now, Christy.

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00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. What's your question?

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00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 5: Hi, Hi Christy?

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00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 8: Hello, Hi Christy, Hi, how are you You're great?

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00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: What's your question?

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00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 8: Okay, I had a question about Triff Steigns that had

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00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 8: walked into the room and killed Judge Bolan. If y'all

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00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 8: had did a podcast on that, and you're welcome, have

1104
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 8: a good day. If y'all had did a podcast on that,

1105
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 8: and so when because we haven't heard a lot about it, right,

1106
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 8: what's going on with it?

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00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 4: So did we did a couple We did a couple

1108
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 4: episodes on it. Why like a month ago? I think, yeah, exactly,

1109
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 4: there's been a later there's been a new development. And

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Speaker 4: by the way, thank you so much for calling Christine.

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00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 4: We really appreciate it.

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00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 3: Christine.

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00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 2: Thank you. Good question.

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00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 4: So my understanding. Brian Investigates on his podcast interviewed a

1115
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 4: woman who said that the judge was running like a

1116
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 4: sex operation. Yeah, in wings, like behind the scenes, where

1117
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 4: he would women that were basically up for sentencing of

1118
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 4: some sort that he that he had ProView over. He

1119
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: would basically bribe them, you know, like I'll reduce your

1120
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 4: sentence those kinds of things, not even like no, yeah, listen,

1121
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be respectful of These are women that

1122
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 4: were suddenly being dragged into.

1123
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: Court, whether they were escorts or whether they were on

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: drug charges and they couldn't afford to make bail. So

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00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: this judge and some you know facocta lawyer involved, they

1126
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: would basically say, hey, if you want to get this

1127
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: off your record, you must do X, Y and Z.

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00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: And really, at the end of the day, it was

1129
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: a very high level sex trafficking ring and this is common.

1130
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: We're hearing this again and again.

1131
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 4: I actually put this in the rundown this morning to

1132
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 4: talk about today.

1133
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: How crazy is that time?

1134
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 4: So maybe we'll maybe we'll cover that tomorrow. But thank

1135
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 4: you for the call so much, Christine that we're definitely

1136
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 4: interested in that case. And we have another caller, Heather's

1137
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 4: on the line. Hi, other Hid, how's it going.

1138
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: Hi? I am good.

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00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 13: I am just calling back with my report on the

1140
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 13: Jeffrey Dahmer tour. I went on, Oh.

1141
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 5: Why a prime travel, dark travel experience.

1142
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: I want to hear everything late. So this is the

1143
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Dahmer tour that you went on under this.

1144
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 13: Dark tourism, right, It's called the Cream City Cannibal Tour

1145
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 13: and it was actually it was a super victim focused yea,

1146
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 13: that a huge plas Yeah, you learned all about the absolutely,

1147
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 13: So you'd stop that, like you'd go down the blocks

1148
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 13: of where he actually picked up like seven of the

1149
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 13: seventeen victims, and you'd stopped at the bars and you'd

1150
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 13: learn all about You'd see pictures of the victims, learn

1151
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 13: all about them, their lives, very brief history in the

1152
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 13: beginning on him, you know, his childhood, not great, not horrible,

1153
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 13: and then it was it's just it was a really

1154
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 13: good history lesson on the area and just the community

1155
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 13: at the time the day community was very it was new,

1156
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 13: and they've kept a lot of that.

1157
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: History in that area. Window.

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 8: They're still blacked out at a lot of the bars.

1159
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 13: Really, which was really cool. Yeah, because they would black

1160
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 13: them out because people would come by to see and

1161
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 13: people would want to hide.

1162
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: Wow, from within the bar.

1163
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 3: They wanted to hide I see.

1164
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1165
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 5: Again, that's part of the LGBT community because.

1166
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: We're very right wow, especially that in that time.

1167
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 5: It hasn't really changed, to be honest, right well.

1168
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 3: Right well to that end though, in the ignorance, yeah.

1169
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: The straight ignorance and also but being on a tour

1170
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: like that where you're actually like in the in the

1171
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: space you're taking the last steps kind of in your

1172
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: head seeing the placement of sort of how some of

1173
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: these crimes could have been. That must be pretty haunting

1174
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: a little bit.

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01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 13: Yeah, and it was a dark it was like a

1176
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 13: rainy day too, so you're like, did you enjoy it?

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01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: Tho?

1178
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 8: So just how people it was.

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01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: It was really in the neighborhood.

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01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 13: It's this Waker's Point neighborhood in downtown Milwaukee. The bar

1181
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 13: that's held out of is it was originally owned by.

1182
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: The Capone brothers.

1183
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 13: Oh and it's built on the seventeen hundred cemetery, so

1184
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 13: the bar itself is haunted.

1185
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 2: Heather, all your choices, this is a crime on a crime.

1186
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 2: By the way, Boddy, you just went on vacation and

1187
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: watched you know, red Brian Colberger documents all weekend.

1188
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 5: So you shouldn't have to talk, Heather. Let's talk for us.

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01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 5: Why did you choose to do this.

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01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: For to be because it's probably expensive, Heather, it was

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: fifty dollars. Why.

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01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 13: Okay, so ill a little history. I'm fifty two.

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01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 14: I would see each other crime fanatic.

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01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 13: Before true crime, before it was cool and high school.

1195
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 5: And rule books.

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01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: Heather, we would be best friendly.

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 5: We were feral we were feral children, and we know

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 5: how to.

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01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: Survive exactly correct.

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01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 13: And so I was nineteen when this started happening, and

1201
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 13: we were going and I lived right on the border

1202
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 13: of Wisconsin and Chicago, like the Illinois border, so we

1203
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 13: would go to Walkee all the time. So this consumed us.

1204
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 13: This like you'd be watching The Price is Right, and

1205
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 13: all of a sudden it was another brain found.

1206
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: Like, well, I grew up in north where the talker

1207
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 4: was killing people, so I get it. And we're the

1208
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 4: same age, so you know, like, yeah, I get it,

1209
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 4: I totally And.

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01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 13: We didn't have internet.

1211
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had to buy the paper.

1212
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 13: I think it always kind of was an inter right,

1213
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 13: and you didn't know. You only knew what they wanted

1214
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 13: to tell you. No one at that time wanted to

1215
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 13: paint the police as terrible as they were. I didn't

1216
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 13: actually understand all of that until Ryan Murphy's show came

1217
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 13: out how terrible it was handled.

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01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 14: And so on this tour they talked.

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01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 13: A little bit like when these men were going missing people,

1220
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 13: he would sit in a telephone booth, and when you'd

1221
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 13: walk into telephone booths back then, if they would light up,

1222
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 13: he would sit in there for two or three hours

1223
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 13: a night hunting these streets, and this woman kept calling saying,

1224
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 13: the same man is in this telephone booth night after night.

1225
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 13: You should check into it, and no one ever did.

1226
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 11: Wow.

1227
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 5: I have a thought about that, unfortunately, and that is

1228
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 5: that LGBT prime is usually on the bottom of the

1229
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 5: of the of the must prosecute and must investigate. And

1230
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 5: because these gay men were disappearing, they attributed it to

1231
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 5: awe poor them, or they ran away, or they disappeared,

1232
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 5: or this is common. Just like the one victim that

1233
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 5: actually escaped Dahmer and ran to the police naked, collapsed

1234
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 5: in front of the police officer and then he escorted

1235
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 5: him back to Jeffrey and gave him back to him

1236
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 5: where eventually he was murdered. That tells you that they

1237
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 5: thought it was an ick factor and that this was

1238
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 5: some sort of gay king.

1239
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: And they disregarded human period. And yeah, that was a fact.

1240
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: And now that tour does that still exist, Heather, or

1241
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: is this that? Yeah, it's very recent.

1242
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 13: Just did it two weeks ago?

1243
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 3: I remember she that was the.

1244
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: Night that I was gone. But I heard about it afterward,

1245
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: and then I was asked to vote if I would

1246
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: go on a dark tour, which I have versions of.

1247
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: So I'm with you, Heather, and I understand it.

1248
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 5: Can I ask you, Heather about the others on your tour?

1249
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 5: They were they respectful? Like did you eyeball every one

1250
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 5: of them? And was like you're a future something.

1251
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 4: By the way, is wearing his Jeffrey, I'm sorry, didn't

1252
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 4: mean to talk.

1253
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: Oh, no, you're good.

1254
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 13: It was it was very like there was only four

1255
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 13: of us on the tour, and then our tour guide

1256
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 13: it was it's summer, so it's hot and a lot

1257
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 13: of people don't want to do a walking tour and

1258
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 13: eight degrees in.

1259
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: The rain no less.

1260
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 5: Okay, but was there anybody that was being disrespectful doing

1261
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 5: a TikTok as they tried to strangle each other in

1262
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 5: front of a bar.

1263
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 13: No, but there were bars we could not go right

1264
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 13: in front of because they don't want to be associated

1265
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 13: with this tour. I wouldn't like we'd have to stand

1266
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 13: two doors away. Yeah, and it just and honestly so

1267
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 13: Tracy Edwards is who escaped, and honestly, if it had

1268
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 13: not been found, he would have worked in those hands

1269
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 13: that would have ended. Yeah, they would have to go

1270
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 13: to get the key for his handcuffs and they found

1271
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 13: the pictures.

1272
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: Your audio is breaking up a little bit, but it's

1273
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: like so on point if you want to hit us back.

1274
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, thank you for calling Heather. We are that

1275
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: is a very thin insective. And yes, Deron is wearing

1276
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: the the you know, the Jeffrey Dahmer wrap by design.

1277
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, all these fans around me.

1278
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 5: It's a late seventies classic. It's just aesthetic, you know,

1279
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 5: heyas I you know, I'm glad that you explained why

1280
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 5: you did it and that you did it because you

1281
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 5: experienced it from a personal consstive and that it wasn't

1282
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 5: from a place of disrespect. So thank you for sharing

1283
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 5: that with us, because you know, we go a little

1284
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 5: awry over here and make all sorts of judgments and sometimes,

1285
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 5: like especially me, that I don't need to do.

1286
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 4: So I give you some props, no, and I appreciate

1287
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 4: the insight. Like you know, Heather is my new best friend,

1288
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 4: and you know we're the same age and we both

1289
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 4: experienced I know you in your neighborhoods. You know, Richard Ramirez,

1290
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 4: I grew I lived in Mission Viejo and Richard Ramirez

1291
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 4: attacked in people in my neighborhood.

1292
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 5: And by the way, our generation is traumatized by this.

1293
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 5: I remember in the late seventies and when the Son

1294
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 5: of Sam thing was happening that my sister, my mother

1295
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 5: was so crazy that you know she could be next,

1296
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 5: that they dyed her hair blonde because he was going after.

1297
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we've heard mom, I'm strong. Was her mother's

1298
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: belly Yeah.

1299
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 4: In Queens during this time, Yes, And she was telling

1300
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 4: us about how scary it was for her mom when

1301
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 4: the Son of Sam was out hunting in that area

1302
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 4: and the power went out and it was hot as hell,

1303
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 4: and you know, and everybody was.

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Speaker 5: Like, my sister's hair bloond. She peroxided.

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Speaker 4: I believe it, No, I totally believe it. With Richard Mirrors,

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01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 4: it was initially came out that he was only attacking

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01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 4: people in yellow houses and so people were literally painting

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Speaker 4: their houses in my neighborhood blue.

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Speaker 2: Wow. That ended up not really being accurate. It did not,

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Speaker 2: It was not true, but it was.

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Speaker 3: It was kind of like an o press initially that

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Speaker 3: he's you know, the the people are that live in

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Speaker 3: yellow houses are basically at risk.

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Speaker 5: And body He also stayed at the Cecile Hotel and

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Speaker 5: down he dead.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever stayed there?

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Speaker 3: I've stayed there, Absolutely not.

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01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 5: I don't want to bring in to stay there.

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 4: It wasn't on purpose, but it was for sure haunted.

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Speaker 4: But I was like twenty, this was ninety years ago.

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: We were we were partying it right now, like it's

1322
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 2: just a thing, like we just ended up there.

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01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: It was like, oh my god, the Cecil Hotel.

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01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 4: It was like the cheapest place on the block, you

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 4: know what I mean, And that's where we ended up.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch that documentary? By the way, guys, I

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01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 2: don't even want to cut anybody off here, but we

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01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: have big developments in the dock naming coming up soon.

1329
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 2: What are we going to be calling our streaming show,

1330
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: our little streaming club? I should say this is true

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01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: crime tonight. We'll be right back and listen. It is

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01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 2: the moment so many of us has been waiting for.

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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: The calls have been wild. We have finally have the

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 2: contenders for our streaming club. What documentary are we gonna watch?

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: We're always talking about decrimentaries. We were just talking about

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01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 2: the Cecil Club. But when that one downtown, this haunted hotel, honestly,

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: this is.

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01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 5: Going to be a big favorite.

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01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: It's a big deal. We're divided. I don't know that

1340
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 2: we're a united front on this.

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01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 3: I don't think we are.

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01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 2: Are we going to hear it in a bar fight?

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01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 5: I could tell you that we have. We have received

1344
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 5: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of requests based on last

1345
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 5: week's poll, the top four. So I'm going to get

1346
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 5: right into it. This is my moment of like, wait.

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: Was doing You're doing it now? Okay, go go, go ahead,

1348
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: take it away. Yes, wait a minute, you get a

1349
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: drum roll? Were girls not yet?

1350
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 3: Okay?

1351
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: It's everyone knows.

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01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 5: These are the titles of our documentary clubs.

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01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: So these are the four best options that have been

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 2: decided upon.

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01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 5: And the final name and what we're calling our new

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01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 5: watch club where we're going to give you, guys the

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01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 5: title of the show we're going to watch and then

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01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 5: weekly we're going to lay the episode out. Then we're

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01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 5: going to talk about it with you. What so full

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01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 5: Interactive book Club in video for I'm.

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01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: Excited, Oh my goodness, with that kind of a lead

1362
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: in edge of our seats.

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01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 5: In fourth place that did not get it, but I

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01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 5: love this one was murder they watched.

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01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: Okay, that was a cute one. We were all going

1366
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: to be on our bicycle solving murders and watching them.

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01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 5: In third place solved Stephanie, I'm sorry to tell you,

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01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 5: but Prime Watchman third Okay.

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01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: I knew I saw the writing on the wall on

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01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: that one based on your horribly luke warm reactions Live,

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: so this is not a huge surprise to me. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad I made it to the top three.

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 5: Yep, and in second place. The Killer Watch Party didn't

1374
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 5: quite make the cut. What one w P didn't happen,

1375
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 5: but I could tell you the new name of the

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01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 5: watch is Crime and Chill.

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01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 2: True Crime and Chill. Is that Convetti falling from the sky,

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01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 2: I think forever a visa. Yes, this is amazing, open

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01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: and chill.

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01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 5: Portion I like it.

1381
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 2: That's more like on Ice. I'm I'm.

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 5: By the way watch.

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 4: So for true Criminal Chill, I'm going to recommend that

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01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 4: we watch one of two that I'm going to recommend.

1385
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 4: Amy Bradley is missing, obviously, because that's the one I

1386
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 4: wanted to watch together to begin with.

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01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: Kind of the origin, kind of the origin, and I

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01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 2: still hope I finished it because I've been waiting those

1389
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: whole time. Okay, And you know, my my inbox is

1390
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 2: full of people literally, I'm not even kidding. And my

1391
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: comment sections are full of people asking me, have you

1392
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: watched it? If you watch it, if you watch it?

1393
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 3: Okay.

1394
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: So that's number one and number two is the Son

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01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 2: of Sam Tapes.

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01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 3: Those are my two.

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01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 15: Suggestions, kind of leaning towards one body, I'm with you,

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01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 15: I'm still Amy's missing and more Amy.

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01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, donnything, I.

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 4: Just didn't the only problem with with the Amy Bradley

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 4: one is it's time has passed and people are not

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01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 4: really interested in anymore.

1403
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 5: But also many people have actually watched it, which is

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 5: fine because the whole point of this watch club. I

1405
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 5: don't really like this everybody to talk about it. It's

1406
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 5: for everyone, it's for us to be excited about the

1407
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 5: next episode a lot.

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01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it for weeks, I feel because people

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01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 2: have been gone and we haven't been able to Oh

1410
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 2: my goodness, have we still not figured this out?

1411
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 5: Well? Remember it was even very mad.

1412
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 2: We're fine, Okay, we're fine. What recommendation go ahead to Ron,

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01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: you're up next?

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01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 5: Well, for whatever we're going to do. I haven't seen

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 5: any of them so I'm excited to like have my homework,

1416
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 5: watch my episode, think about all of the questions I've got,

1417
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 5: and then either call in on the day that we're

1418
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 5: doing it or be here for it.

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01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: Are you on Wednesdays?

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 5: I'm a fan of Oh, I love that. I'm a

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01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 5: fan of the Son of Sam tapes because it's not

1422
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 5: released yet, so we have no spoilers.

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01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: Right, I'm with that. All right, Well, then I guess

1424
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 2: this might be where we are unanimous, because I was

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01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: going to say the Son of Sam tapes too, And

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01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: the reason being is all the one as you guys

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 2: just discussed. It was a New York story kind of

1428
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: you know, folklore where I was coming up and Courtney

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: Armstrong's mom was pregnant with her during the summer of

1430
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: Sam in Queens the way in Queens, New York. I

1431
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 2: feel like we need to know more and it's not

1432
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: spoiled yet because I haven't heard any feedback about it.

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 5: All right, can I change my opinion?

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01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 15: Then yes, Son of Sam and then body, we're going

1435
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 15: to have a private club.

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 2: I want to come to you with the anti amy,

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01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: but we can have. But that's a grandfathered in also

1438
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: secondary conversation so we can double up if you've already

1439
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: watched it. This is a ridiculous conversation. But if you

1440
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 2: already watched it, we'll have tuned.

1441
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 5: Okay, But I just want to make sure that we're

1442
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 5: talking about the same thing. It's conversations with a killer,

1443
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 5: the son of sand tapes. Is that what we're watching?

1444
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 3: I think.

1445
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 5: So for everyone that's curious, it's on Netflix. I see

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01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 5: three episodes. It might be the first three that are available.

1447
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 5: The whole thing might just be three. And this is

1448
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 5: a trial run to see how you guys, our listeners

1449
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 5: want to play along with us and interact with us

1450
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 5: and get excited to watch it with us.

1451
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 3: That's right.

1452
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: So then we'll we're here on Wednesdays to discuss it.

1453
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: So that's right. That was so great. Yeah, well done, everybody,

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01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: great participation, everybody, crime clus This.

1455
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 4: Was kind of like my little baby. So I really

1456
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 4: appreciate everybody, you know, I don't know, just thank you.

1457
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome to take about take about and the

1458
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: curtsy and all. In my mind's eye there's like a

1459
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: disco strobe light, you know, dancing around right now and

1460
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 2: all of the.

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 5: I just want to give a warning about this though,

1462
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 5: because these are the actual his actual confessions on tape,

1463
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 5: so we're going to hear his voice and you know,

1464
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 5: let's just gave David Berkowitz. Let's know what this this

1465
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 5: first season is going to be like The Confessions, and

1466
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 5: it's been a modern day uptake on it. So exciting

1467
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 5: and Netflix, you should be sponsoring our show.

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01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 4: Yes, the Netflix. Actually hello, we're frying reach out. But

1469
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 4: speaking of releases and whatnot, Idaho Massacre podcast.

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01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 2: Yes, dropped today and we're really proud of it. Thank

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01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 2: you for mentioning. I hope you guys will listen Katie Studios.

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 2: It is season three. You know, we've all we're all

1473
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: on it, and you know, such great experts and some

1474
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 2: unique access. I mean, listen. The intention initially was to

1475
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: be alongside the trial, right, and once he confessed it

1476
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: just honestly, the gloves are off, right and it is

1477
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 2: really a deep dive into all of this new information

1478
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 2: we know, but also revisiting some of the family and

1479
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 2: his current prison conditions, all of the things. We had

1480
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 2: talked about this briefly last night. I can't get it

1481
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: out of my head today for some reason. But just

1482
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 2: the idea we have we're speaking to this. For example,

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01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: the Washington State University police chief so interviewed Coburger maybe

1484
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: about six months prior to the murders, because Coburger wanted

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01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 2: to be in the police force, and he was like, no,

1486
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 2: this guy's too weird, creepy, hard, No, would not allow

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01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: this PhD student to study under him, even as like

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01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 2: an air quotes intern cut. Two months later, he then

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01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: becomes the chief of police at the university and knows

1490
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: the guy that two months later, you know, obviously does

1491
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: what he does. It's an interesting side of law enforcement

1492
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 2: that we're seeing for the first time, goodbad, all of

1493
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: the above, you know, from all sides, and also the outrage.

1494
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 2: Now that we're seeing all of these documents, it really

1495
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: is painting a scarier picture than I think we've even imagined.

1496
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:42,839
Speaker 5: When does the third season drop stuff?

1497
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: Today?

1498
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 3: I listened to the episode. I listened to episode one,

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01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 3: and I have to tell you there were some great

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 3: guests you had. Me and Jeanette.

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01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 4: She's wonderful, she's such a great, greatest power Blum. Of course,

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01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 4: I heard in Steve.

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 2: Yep Gonzioky Gonzalez Ish, I heard him. We love Jerry.

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01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 4: You've thought You've had a lot of really interesting guests,

1505
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 4: which is it provides a really well rounded picture of

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01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 4: what's happened so far, right, Like, I mean, that was

1507
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 4: my impression just from the first episode that I listened

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01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 4: to today.

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01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 2: Well, it's pretty sacred and it's you know, a similar thing.

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01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 2: It's funny we make the piked In Massacre podcast also

1511
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: with iHeart and the Idaho Massacre kind of not to

1512
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 2: get too in the weeds on podcast talk, but it's.

1513
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,799
Speaker 3: Also on the same feed and it has the same artwork.

1514
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 2: We started wonder that this is just like the Insider,

1515
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: not so deep. It's kind of thing. It's weird because

1516
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 2: the piked In Massacre not to be a spoiler. There

1517
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: wasn't just one person alone as a killer. It just

1518
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: goes to show when we started that podcast, we had

1519
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: nowhere going to go, and we always have thought, Wow,

1520
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 2: now that we kind of know the ending in this

1521
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 2: piked In massacre, you know, we know that it's not

1522
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: just human. Now the Idaho massacre, we start that again

1523
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 2: with the intention of sort of seeing who else could

1524
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 2: be out there, you know, let's get some noise out there,

1525
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: because there's a killer at large potentially or somebody being

1526
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 2: maybe wrongfully convicted or targeted. Who knows. Le's unpack it.

1527
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 3: And sure enough that picture it really applies for this.

1528
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: One, right.

1529
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 3: Can we can we get like a tease of what

1530
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 3: maybe we can hear?

1531
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 5: Yes, a trailer, a supertrailer.

1532
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: We have a little clip here for you guys, if

1533
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 2: you want it.

1534
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam, go for it, dude.

1535
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:32,759
Speaker 2: Thanks.

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01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 11: He essentially gets to live rent free, no expenses, for

1537
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 11: the rest of his life, and we call that justice.

1538
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 11: It's insane. They knew we wouldn't agree with it, and

1539
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 11: they made it pretty clear they weren't too concerned with

1540
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 11: how we felt about the whole situation.

1541
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 2: Now that's Kaylee Gonzalveez's brother, Gonzo. He's also in our

1542
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 2: documentary on Peacock. Hope you'll watch that as well. The

1543
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: piped in student murders and streaming. Now, I mean the

1544
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: Idaho it's to the student murders exactly, but yeah, I

1545
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: mean it's the family has such differing opinions about how

1546
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 2: this is being handled, even today. I mean, we were

1547
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: just discussing this earlier, you know, just how you know,

1548
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: now Madison Mogan's family is is you know, doing a

1549
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 2: lawsuit because they don't want the photoco chaps that are

1550
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: exactly In fact, we should talk about that a little bit. Yeah,

1551
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 2: So anyway, I hope you'll listen. Thanks for thanks for

1552
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 2: sharing and being on it. And of course you know

1553
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,879
Speaker 2: it's not a happy ending, but I think it's important

1554
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: for us to really do a deep dive.

1555
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 5: And it's on iHeartRadio as well as Apple podcasts and.

1556
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: Everywhere wherever you get your podcast. Does one episode come

1557
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: out every week or is it all at once every week?

1558
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 2: And Courtney Armstrong is the voice as away for the

1559
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 2: final season, and yeah, we want to hear your opinion,

1560
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 2: so please jump in join the combo, whether about that

1561
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,799
Speaker 2: or any of the podcasts we make. And of course

1562
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: we want to hear about the cases that we're covering

1563
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 2: real time.

1564
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 4: Wow, how exciting for you though, I mean it's got

1565
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 4: to be you. You've had a lot going on lately. Stuff, congrats, stuff,

1566
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 4: I mean you really have. You had the documentary release,

1567
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 4: you had this show starting, you have the podcast The

1568
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 4: Idaho Masacer.

1569
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean that's you moved in the middle of the

1570
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 2: of all this.

1571
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 5: Let's not forget Murder one.

1572
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 2: Oh, Murder one on one right, Yes, I read that

1573
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: in the press release today.

1574
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: Wow, you get that secret.

1575
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: No, it's just that it's like everything takes a really

1576
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: long time. There's no secret. It's just that, you know,

1577
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 2: things take a really long time. There's twists, and you know,

1578
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 2: we follow true crime investigations. It's really hard to do

1579
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 2: that on a schedule, it is, and it changes on

1580
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 2: a dime. So mostly we just hope the victims' families

1581
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 2: and this night went by like a blink. Thank you

1582
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 2: for bearing with us. There's been some giggles along the way.

1583
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been naughty in church a little bit,

1584
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 2: and that is I need a good laugh. So I

1585
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 2: blame thank you Doran oh Fear, who has been here

1586
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 2: at our post.

1587
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 4: And it's always a little bit lighter when Doron is here, right,

1588
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 4: like Wednesdays are like Wednesdays are our pop culture day.

1589
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 3: They're supposed to be light and airy.

1590
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 4: I just want everybody to to understand we take this

1591
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 4: very seriously, like we're trying to. But this is the

1592
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 4: hump that we got to get over every but so

1593
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 4: thank you so much for being here ton for real.

1594
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 2: Yes, it's so good. Yes, And also we're going to

1595
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 2: be back next week Wednesday. We know what our marching

1596
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 2: orders are. Just rate the Son of Sam tapes. It's

1597
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 2: on Netflix. Well man, we didn't make it. We didn't where,

1598
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 2: we don't work for Netflix. But boy watch it and

1599
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: discuss yes too.

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01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 5: As you watch it, you're going to go and do

1601
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 5: a talkback and then we can respond to them. And

1602
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 5: if you're going live, make sure to call in.

1603
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, good note and let's go to the

1604
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: talk back right now.

1605
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:02,839
Speaker 6: Oh shoot, hi guys, it's Cricket from Connecticut. Cricket Body

1606
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 6: and Stephanie. You were just talking about paper routes and

1607
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 6: how horrible that job is.

1608
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 16: And yes, a horrible job, especially if you have to

1609
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 16: ride your bike up. But how about it nothing, I'm

1610
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 16: sure for kids. First job top decastling corn?

1611
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: O that top that requires a drum roll too?

1612
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 3: How did we even corn?

1613
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 2: Sounds like a lot of work and hands you. I

1614
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 2: think you have looked.

1615
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 17: Show basically taking those little grain things in the corn.

1616
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 17: So you're out in the fields picking apart those little

1617
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 17: like like their equivalent of seeds and put off it's

1618
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 17: and imagine doing that out in the hot sun.

1619
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 3: No, I was not meant to be out in the

1620
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 3: hot sun.

1621
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean that. No, that's a the cake. For sure,

1622
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 2: you were going to add to it.

1623
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 15: I was going to ask, Now, I'm curious as to

1624
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 15: what Doron's first job was.

1625
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 5: I failed miserably and I'm going to have to join

1626
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 5: this gen X like rite a passage because I used

1627
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 5: to have to deliver the penny saves.

1628
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 2: Was this like a ring that we were all in?

1629
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 2: It's like stranger things? Why did we all have these

1630
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: weird newspaper situations. I was knocking on people's doors to

1631
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 2: say collect listen, and.

1632
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 5: I was a frail little boy, and I thought I

1633
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 5: was going to make all this money. And they dropped

1634
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 5: off huge piles of h and I had to sit

1635
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 5: there the night before and ordinate basically take nine piles,

1636
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 5: put them into one roll it, put it in a

1637
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 5: plastic bag, create two thousand of these. And I didn't

1638
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 5: do it on a bicycle. I did it with a

1639
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 5: supermarket cart that I had to push up. And it

1640
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 5: was like a seven mile reading that.

1641
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the mean streets of man.

1642
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 5: My dad did it.

1643
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, that was the whole thing,

1644
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 2: getting your dad to do it. You know, I had

1645
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: older brothers, but boy.

1646
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 4: That was My mom was like I'm not helping you.

1647
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 4: You decided to take this job. You're putting those papers

1648
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 4: together and Sunday with all the coupons and you Literally

1649
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 4: my kitchen table was just newspapers, thousands of them, and

1650
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 4: my mom.

1651
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 2: Is just shaking her head at me, and I'm like,

1652
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to get six dollars on this.

1653
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got two cents a paper, like.

1654
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awful.

1655
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 4: I'm convinced that they were in like child trafficking at

1656
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 4: the child whatever child labor, like it was real.

1657
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 2: I was like thirteen, Like what am I doing? I

1658
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 2: made seven dollars? Like what of me? You weren't shucking corn?

1659
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 2: That is I guess the good news is that we

1660
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: didn't have to feel the corn, I suppose, but yes,

1661
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 2: it does seem even dangerous. By the way, in resturspect dron,

1662
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 2: what are you go going on? Tell us about what?

1663
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 11: Then?

1664
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 5: I was curious about who I am since my favorite

1665
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 5: topic is myself. My second episode of Cast to Screen

1666
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 5: dropped on Daily Mail Entertainment. It's a YouTube and it

1667
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 5: tells you the history of reality television and how casting

1668
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 5: was made, and it also talks about some of the

1669
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 5: things we talked about a couple of weeks ago for

1670
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 5: you know, listeners, and it talks about the club industry.

1671
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 5: So check it out, Hope you watch.

1672
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 2: Check it out, hope you'll watch. And more on this

1673
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 2: to come. We'll be back tomorrow. We have a huge

1674
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 2: show tomorrow. We're covering the Menendez brothers new developments. So

1675
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 2: make sure we're going to have the guy, the guy,

1676
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, he's going to be here, and make

1677
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 2: sure you tune in. We'll be back tomorrow night. Stay safe,

1678
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 2: good night, everybody, good night

1679
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 7: Bye, good night.