1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Whole zone media. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Obviously, there are no words to describe the type of 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: suffering being inflicted on the people of Israel and Palestine 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: right now. There's no words. That's what comfort could any 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: of us bring. You know what I'm saying, So let 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: me set it out out the jump before y'all start. 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 2: I just it's not like I'm worried about the emails. 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: But like figured, I'll tell you right now, this is 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: going to be a really long episode because it's complicated and. 10 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: This has just been going on for so long, y'all. 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: These are ultimately the point I'm making you'll see in 12 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: this is this is the product of dehumanizing. 13 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: Is what is what happens. 14 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: So look, I'm gonna have to keep the names and 15 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: dates really under under wraps here because yeah, this could 16 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: get us all in trouble. But tell you a story 17 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: of a friend of mine. One of his relatives got 18 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: out of prison, needed a place to stay, so he 19 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: stayed with you know, the homie Mahomie and his mom. 20 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna change a few of the things just to 21 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: make sure that like that not so innocent are protected. 22 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: This is based on a true story. I'm not I 23 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: can't get too much into the details here. So the 24 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: homies mom was having this situation with this mechanic right, 25 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: her car was not being treated with the right type 26 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: of care. Kept saying the car needs like, oh, two 27 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: more weeks, two more weeks. You know it's almost done, 28 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: two more weeks. Like it'll be good. Don't worry about it. 29 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: We got you. And I mean you could really you 30 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: could swap this with any story. You know, you you 31 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: come home, you've been picked on by whatever kid from 32 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: whatever two streets over this. These people didn't give you 33 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: the right, are like charging you more than you're supposed 34 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: to being charged. You can insert any of this. There's 35 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: just one relative. You shouldn't tell this because that relative 36 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: loves you deeply and has a way of handling things, 37 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: and it's probably stayed quiet and stayed out of it 38 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: for as long as they could. Because everybody doesn't really 39 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: agree with their methods. They their purpose we all agree with, 40 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: but they methods. 41 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: It's a little. 42 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, man kind of they kind of feel 43 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: like war crimes your methods. But in their defense, which 44 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: maybe there isn't any, they feel like war crimes. 45 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: Have been committed towards their family. But either way. 46 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: This is a button you don't necessarily want to push, right, 47 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: but then they start seeing the pain in your face, 48 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: the suffering that you're going through this particular situation. Was 49 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: looking at his auntie and was like, you know, what's wrong, Auntie? 50 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: You know? And she's like, man, I just like I swear, 51 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: I keep seeing my car driven around, like I swear, 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: that mechanic is just he's just keeping my car, you know. 53 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: And this particular friend of mine, his relative that got 54 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: out of prison, is plenty years older than him, so 55 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: it's not like, you know, he can't. It's not like 56 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: he was able to, as like the sun, be able 57 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: to like go and take care of this situation. It 58 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: would require an adult. So he says, you know, he 59 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: you know, Auntie, I'll take care of it. 60 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: So the relative. 61 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: Goes to the mechanic and kidnaps him, does all types 62 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: of horrendous the things to this mechanic and leaves him 63 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: in the elements, just to be eight by whatever animals 64 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: are outside, just at like gets his gets the keys 65 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: back right to his auntie's car. Makes it very clear 66 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: what she was doing was disrespectful to a nice old lady. 67 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: And you're lucky. This is all I'm doing, and brings 68 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 3: the hey. 69 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: Look and this this is a nervous laugh, Like this 70 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: isn't it's not funny. 71 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: It's like it's a nervous laugh. 72 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: So he does the acts of discipline and then he brings. 73 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: His auntie her keys back, and the hummies. 74 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: Auntie was like, uh, nephew, I mean I ain't. I 75 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: mean I'm glad, thank thank you, like thank you for 76 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: getting my car back, Like, uh, I mean, I ain't. 77 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: I just wanted you to kind of like just scare 78 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: me get my car back. The hummy cousins say, hey, hey, 79 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: he's scared. He real scared, and look, he ain't gonna 80 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 2: do this to nobody else. I just want to say 81 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: thank you for allowing me to have another chance somewhere, 82 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: a plump place to stay. And as a token in 83 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 2: my appreciation, I took care of this for you. 84 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: Okay, I love you. Let me know if you need 85 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: anything else. 86 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: This is not funny because like I am scrubbing this 87 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: story so clean that the details of this story is 88 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: I like, the details are horrendous. 89 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: I can't. They're horrendous. 90 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: When sometimes if a person being pushed too far and 91 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: been taking advantage of for too long. You understand that 92 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: the pressure cooker makes it makes it be like this. 93 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying. Listen again, replace this with anybody. 94 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: This could be you come home, somebody stole your shoes 95 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: to your big brother, go across the street and burn 96 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: the house down. Wish one of them niggas stole your 97 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: shoes and he burned the house down. It's like, damn, 98 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: I mean thanks, I just I just wanted them to 99 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: stop picking on me little your brother, Say he gonna 100 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: stop picking on you now. I'll tell you that right now, 101 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 2: he ain't gonna pick on nobody. I wish the nigga 102 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: would pick I wish he would pick on you again. 103 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: You gonna learn today, say I mean you burn the 104 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 2: whole damn house down. 105 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: Ain't nobody everybody gotta go like nigga. 106 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: Everybody gotta go if you with him, If you with him, 107 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: you're getting it too. 108 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: I'm not. 109 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 2: We like. 110 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 3: You need to understand that this needs to stop happening. 111 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: Y'all know how I'll move. 112 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: These are not justifications, they are explanations. Just understand what's 113 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: happening here. Maybe that's what Hamas was doing. Politics y'all. 114 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: All right, guys, second episode of You Wasn't Outside, because 115 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: we're back here again pretty much on clock, right on time, 116 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: with another Israel and Palestine scuffle. This one is bad, 117 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: the badness. However, man, let me how do I say this? 118 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: If you're in the region, it never stopped like it 119 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: never this conflict never stopped the conflicts. It's seventy years old. 120 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: So today I want to re remind y'all a principle 121 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: about when you open your mouth and when you try 122 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: to form your opinions about this, it's again, you wasn't outside. 123 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: And if you don't know what that means, let me 124 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: remind you. It's a way to describe when if you 125 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: didn't really gang bang, like if you didn't if you 126 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: weren't in the field. You know, when you know these 127 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: these young brothers, these young sisters, was twelve, thirteen, fourteen 128 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: years old when they were getting in trouble, when they 129 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: were when they were super active, was running from bullets, 130 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: running from the cops, when it was really really really 131 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: out there, getting a certification, like if you didn't live 132 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: that even wherever you were, if you was in New York, 133 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: if you was this like whatever it was if you 134 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: wasn't really in the hood, then it's of course there's 135 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: the humanity of like some stuff is just like yeah, 136 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: you could say that's pretty. That's objectively cruel, that is 137 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: objectively a crime, and this is these things are objectively tragic. 138 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: Like I don't think anybody, at least anybody that grew 139 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: up like we grew up, Like there's no delusions about 140 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: the carnage, what it meant to be around sort of 141 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: the type of gang violence that a lot of us 142 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: grew up around or participated in. I'm even saying around 143 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: because I'm even being very careful. You know, you never 144 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 2: see me actually carrying or wearing no bandanas and stuff. 145 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 2: Is not because I'm scared, is I mean, I am, 146 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: But it's because I respect the fact that, like people 147 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: really lived and died by the flags. So you don't like, 148 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm not ain't no made up set here like, ain't 149 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: no like if you wasn't really there, you should really 150 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: be careful about your opinions about this situation, about the 151 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: people in this situation and what it was like to 152 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: be there. Like if you wasn't really there, you really 153 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: don't know you wasn't outside, And I think, here's the 154 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: thing with Americans with us, and I'm putting myself really 155 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: into this before I get into like really, what I'm 156 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: gonna get into this for this episode is I've been 157 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: to the West Bank. I've seen you know, obviously I 158 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: can't go into Gaza, you know what I'm saying, which 159 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: is another part of the politics that people really not 160 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: recognize it. Not only can I not go in, they 161 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: can't come out like like, I don't think y'all understand 162 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: really what's going on in Gaza. The point I'm trying 163 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: to make is I had to record I'm like, I'm 164 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: a child of a black panther. I consider myself even 165 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: among my friends, I consider myself though woke ist. Even 166 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: the time I went I felt I felt like I 167 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: was probably the most socially and politically aware of my 168 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: friend group. Like that's I mean, I don't say this 169 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: as any detriment to them, it's just because that's my field. 170 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: That's the waters I swam in, is understanding justice and 171 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: equity and equality and persecution around the world, Like that's 172 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: the stuff I lived in Hell. I'm on the board 173 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: for humanitarian organizations. You feel me, people that do peace 174 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: brokering in conflict regions like I would sit on the 175 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: bord of directors for this mug so I feel like 176 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 2: this is the world I'm in. But standing in Jerusalem, 177 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: like Israel, Jerusalem and then Bethlehem and East Jerusalem, standing 178 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: in Palestine going down to the West Bank, listening to 179 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: their stories and then these other people's stories made me 180 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: realize how uninformed I actually was and how curated our 181 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: news really is. And I consider myself aware fam like, 182 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: but standing there, I was like, yo, I really I 183 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: am really a product. I've really been pun intended. I 184 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: am part of a propaganda machine and you really don't 185 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 2: see it until you get there. And I prided myself 186 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: in being more aware than most of the people. But 187 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: standing out there, dog, I was like, yo, I really 188 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: don't I really don't know. I'm not I'm not out here, 189 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I had to like 190 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: refort like start from scratch any opinion I had and 191 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: just and in a lot of ways, just trust my 192 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: eyes and cause I feel like, you know, I've been 193 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: part of What's what's an example, Okay? If you A 194 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: good example would be if you ever visit Russia, Like 195 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: if you ever visit, Like if you my age and 196 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 2: you visited Russia, you thought, man, you thought the USSR 197 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: was just this desolate, miserable place where no one smiles, 198 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: the worst place to be. You just thought being in 199 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: the soul. Oh my god, it's so terrible, they have 200 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: no freedom's awful. It'd be a horrible place to go. 201 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: You thought Draco's was like roam in the streets. And 202 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 2: then you go and then I went to Saint Peter's. 203 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: You go to say, You're like, this is a beautiful city. 204 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: It's the greatest dope clubs. 205 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: Man, I got hip hop. 206 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: Like, man, I'm sitting here and you know, I'm just 207 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: enjoying a nice iced tea. Like it's a great place 208 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: where regular as people who go to work and go 209 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: home just like the rest of us. You're just like, oh, 210 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: and it's like but you want to be like but 211 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 2: y'all miserable, like y'all hate this communist right, zero zero zero, Right, dude. 212 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: I have a friend from Canada and then listen, listen 213 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: like this one I'm trying to say, like, appreciate this 214 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: what you're coming from. I had a friend from Canada 215 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: and when they got married, I was like, where are 216 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: you going to where you spend their honeymoon? And they 217 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 2: was like Cuba. I was like, what y'all what you gig? 218 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, it's just America that doesn't go like 219 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 2: the rest of us. We go to cube all the time. 220 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: I was like, we just you don't realize how much 221 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: of your information is really curated and and to the 222 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: point of where you don't believe your own eyes. 223 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 3: And that was my experience. 224 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: It was like it was like I couldn't I'm looking 225 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: at what is obvious what I'm looking at, but I 226 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: just could not get my head around it. One because 227 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: I'm from America, and two because I grew up in 228 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: the church. We went to church, so like you supposed 229 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: to think about, you know, Israel, the way you supposed 230 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: to think about it is you don't say it like you 231 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: But I'm standing there and I'm like this, it's almost 232 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: like I would not let myself believe my eyes. 233 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: But I had to come back and. 234 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: Say, but you know what, though, look in the same way. 235 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear none of y'all talk about 236 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: violence in Chicago. I don't want to hear none of 237 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: y'all talk about crime waves raising listen, which is also 238 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: very funny to me and people talking about crime waves 239 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: raising in America, I'm like, did y'all forget? Did y'all 240 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: forget the nineties? Like did you just are we just 241 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: not counting the nineties? Oh, We're We're in an amazing 242 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: crime wave. I'm like, Okay, crime is down from twenty 243 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: twenty three to twenty twenty two. Crime crime has gone down, 244 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: but it's way higher than levels in twenty nineteen, right, 245 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: But both of those numbers, it's not even close to 246 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: the numbers in the nineties, Like. 247 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: Did y'all forget? 248 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: Like what the hell you mean crime are? Like, did 249 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: y'all y'all forget it? You don't remember the nineties? Like 250 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: crime was wild? Cuz so I don't want to hear 251 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: you talk about no no crime rates. And then it's like, well, 252 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: obviously it was the pandemic, sir, That's why the crime 253 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: went the way at rent, Like. 254 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: Are y'all serious? 255 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm like, you wasn't man, y'all wasn't there, 256 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: Like it's like I don't wanna hear what you got 257 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: to say because you wasn't there, Like you like, there's 258 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: so much of this. There's so much backstory, there's so 259 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: much of this liked and in the way that y'all 260 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: talking about it makes me no, oh, nigga, you wasn't there, y'all, 261 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: y'all wasn't outside you making this shit, and you wasn't there, 262 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like when I. 263 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: Tell you that you're just you're walking on. 264 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: From school and the daily the thought that, like I 265 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: might die on the way home like you, these are 266 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: real thoughts like this, I trying to say, it's just 267 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: like you just hope it was just like roving packs 268 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: of vehemently, venomously dangerous boys just on the streets like this, 269 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: like this was la like y'all, y'all forget this. So 270 00:16:27,840 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: all that to say, again, you wasn't outside. Now, I 271 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: do have a thesis for this episode, which is not 272 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: necessarily just to play by play of what had happened. 273 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: Was you know, which is the normal kind of. 274 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 2: The way we do this. I think this one has 275 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: to do more with just how we talk about it. 276 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: And now I just want to throw some stuff into 277 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: your little think box this time, but that needs context, 278 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: I think the first thing. So ultimately I want to 279 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 2: talk about like if we really want to see peace, 280 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: we gotta like. 281 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: We got to reverse engineer it. So there's that. I think. 282 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 2: Secondly, you have to really understand and have an appreciation 283 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: of humanity period, which I just i for some reason 284 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: in our psychees and I'm speaking specifically about us out 285 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: west in America, we want a clean narrative of well 286 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: a protag protagonists and an antagonist, you know. And I 287 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: think in a way a lot of times we do that. 288 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: We compare carnage. It's like, well, look out bad this 289 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 2: carnage is, and then the other person that will look 290 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: out bad this carnage is. And it just doesn't get 291 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: us anywhere, because the carnage is the problem. 292 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: Period, right. 293 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: And and even if so, like if you're gonna make 294 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: a defense for Israel and what Palestine and not specifically 295 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: Palestine right now, but Hamas, what Hamas did you? You 296 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: don't want to do the numbers thing because the numbers 297 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: aren't even close of the amount of deaths Israel has 298 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: given to Palestine. Like it's not even close. You could 299 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: look it up on the UN It's not even close. 300 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 3: You know. 301 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: It does this is no again here hear what I'm 302 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: telling you. What I'm saying is these comparisons they're not helpful, 303 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: Like even making the comparison ain't helpful. And then I'm saying, 304 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: but even if you were, it's not even close. Like 305 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: if you're gonna do that, then Israel is clearly the villain. 306 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like if you're gonna if 307 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: you're gonna do that, I'm just saying, let's not even 308 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: think about it like that. 309 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: So we want to reverse engineer piece, right. 310 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: We want to stop looking for a clear protagonist and 311 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: antagonist right, And then I think you really have to 312 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: understand not only the history, but how identities are formed. 313 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: I got some clips I want to play too. This 314 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: is the first time I want to play clips. I 315 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: got some clips from some rabbis about just the uniqueness 316 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: of what we're talking about here. And I think I 317 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: talked about this in the first You wasn't outside when 318 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: we form an identity and what an identity is, particularly 319 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 2: in this region, there's it's not a one to one 320 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: ratio of what it means to define your personhood in 321 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: this region. And I hear it's crazy because I even 322 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: hear news casters conflate a lot of things that actually 323 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: aren't helpful, you know. You know some there are some 324 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 2: terms and like if you're bilingual, there are some in 325 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: terms of just don't there's no direct translation, you know, 326 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: and if I were to explain to you the direct translation, 327 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 2: it actually takes on a whole different meaning. Identity is 328 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 2: like that where they are if you're I mean, this 329 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: is this is for people who have no relation to 330 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: an Arab region in their family lineage, like if you 331 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: just everybody else, like if you from you, this is 332 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: stupid to you because you're like, duh, this is how 333 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: we think about things. 334 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: But the but the West doesn't, you know. 335 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: So I got some clips from a couple of rabbis 336 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: who actually I think really helped sort out that. 337 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: Uniqueness. Okay, now, little history. There's really it's really. 338 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: Almost impossible to like know where to drop drop into 339 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: the history of Judea, which is the historical name of 340 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: this particular region, even before it's called Palestine, before it's 341 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: called Israel's called Judea. 342 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: That's just the that's just the ancient that's. 343 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: What it was, right that being said in the in 344 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: the first you wasn't outside episode, I actually walked you 345 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: through which I would say refer to I'm gonna I'm 346 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: not gonna go through all of it again, but just 347 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: the amount of times this particular swath of land has 348 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: changed hands, and in that whole time, there's been people 349 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: whose families have never left. They we just you know, 350 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: are you ever heard the phrase we didn't cross the 351 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 2: border of the border across to us. That's kind of 352 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: what happened and for most families in Judea, you know, 353 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: whether we're talking about now we're getting into biblical stuff 354 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: because again that the identity way that we formed it. 355 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna again, I'm gonna play this clip a 356 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: little later. I'm all over the place because it's so 357 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: many moving parts happening at one time. But like theologically speaking, 358 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: what makes a person a Jew is It's is the Covenant. 359 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 2: It's the covenant with Yahweh. You know what I'm saying 360 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: with their God like you got to go into Exodus. 361 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: He's like, I've made a promise to these people, these 362 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: Abrahamic people from this particular region, and even within that 363 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: like being children of Abraham, if you will, I'm thrown 364 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: out these names, assuming you've read a Bible or a Quran, 365 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: even with that I can point at four different people 366 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: in the Testament who were from other tribes that could 367 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: considered part of being the children of Israel Mattter in fact, 368 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 2: the lineage of King David, which eventually becomes a lineage 369 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 2: of Jesus. They not I mean Rahab like they're just 370 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: root the Moabidis, like these people in there, they're from 371 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: other tribes. But the point I'm trying to make is 372 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: it's the covenant with Yahweh is what makes you part 373 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: of their identity right now. 374 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 3: Again, this is a particular theological view. 375 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: Like every other religion and belief there's a lot of 376 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: varying types of theology. 377 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 3: Call me on it. 378 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 2: I might not know what I'm talking about. I think 379 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: I do right, and I'm gonna bring in some rabbis 380 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: to try to like. And again, even the rabbis I'm 381 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: bringing it, that might be you know what I'm saying, 382 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: Like you may think that this fool full of crap. 383 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe your rabbi teach is different. 384 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: Either way, This just to help us on the West 385 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: understand like what we're looking at, you know what I'm saying. 386 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: So if you're gonna get biblical, we're talking about like 387 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Medio Persians, all these different 388 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 2: empires that according to the prophecies, you know, the Old 389 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: Testament prophets. 390 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: God was gonna scatter them like y'all gotta go, y'all 391 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: went everywhere. 392 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: And then there was a promise to bring them all back. 393 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: Right Now, Zionists believe that that promise was fulfilled in 394 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight when Israel became a nation state, that 395 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: they would argue that that's the fulfilling promise. Now, some 396 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: Jewish scholars think, well, that's preposterous, that's not that's not 397 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: even what it meant, because it was never about location. 398 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: It was about covenant anyway, getting in the weeds there. 399 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: But the point is, as we all know, Jews come 400 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: in all different colors, sizes, and shapes, right, and it 401 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 2: was all over Europe and experienced, let's not trip, some 402 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: of the worst atrocities. 403 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: Known to humankind. 404 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: The things that have been done to the Jews in Europe, 405 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: I mean, absolutely unthinkable. Now, if we're talking just sheer 406 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: numbers of death, the Native Americans suffered a higher number. 407 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: But which is crazy to say that, like, yeah, those 408 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: numbers actually dwarf the Holocaust, but that's a whole other story. 409 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: The point is Holocaust was real, and that type of 410 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: trauma has been sitting in these collective bones for so long. 411 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: Clearly they had no place to go. Now. 412 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: The sanitary story is that, you know, birth in these 413 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: concentration camps and birth in these sufferings was this yearning 414 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: to go back home, to find a place that we 415 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: could call our own, and to go build that place 416 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: in the land of our ancestors, which was Judea or 417 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: what they're like, well, that's Israel, right, but at the 418 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: time was Palestine. Why it's Palestine is because while all 419 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: this was happening everywhere else, whether it was the Turkish Empire, 420 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: the Romans, the Maleukes, like everybody, all got a piece 421 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: of the action in this land called Judea. Palestine's called 422 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: Palestine because when the Romans ACKed it, they were making 423 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: fun of them, and Palestine is like Philistine, which is 424 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: like the mortal enemies. But either way, there's people that's like, 425 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 2: I don't care what you call it. We never left 426 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: you feel me. We've been Palestine since the Roman Empire. 427 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: So that's where we are now. The birth of the 428 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: modern nation state, as y'all know, that's post World War two, which, 429 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 2: as you know, nation states are imaginary lines. They're just 430 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: they're made up. They're not like and they are fortified 431 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: by violence, right and commerce. Well, this is a made 432 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: up term, right, because the borders aren't actually real, they're 433 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 2: made up. The modern nation state product of war and 434 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: imaginary borders. Like, that's just I don't know what else, 435 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: it's what it is now at this point, I think 436 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: it's a good idea of dropping this clip from Rabbi 437 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: Yakov Shapiro. He wrote this book called The Empty Wagon, 438 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: Zionism's Journey from Identity Crisis to Identity Theft. 439 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 3: It's an incredible book. 440 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 2: He's a theologian, rabbi obviously thirty years, incredibly smart man. 441 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: And like I said, there's probably plenty of y'all. 442 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: That think he's full of shit. 443 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: Listen, I understand that, you know, but I think what 444 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: he's about to articulate really is helpful to understand again 445 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: the way that these identities. 446 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: Merge and interplay. 447 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: Now, again, he's a theologian, so he talks in those terms, 448 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: and in this clip he's responding to specifically Trump talking 449 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: about moving the capital from tel Aviv, like the embassy 450 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: moving from tel Aviv to Jerusalem. 451 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: All right, you see, to the eternal capital of the 452 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: Jewish people, Jerusalem. I was with him until he said 453 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: the eternal capital of the Jewish people. President Trump has 454 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: the right to make whatever foreign policy he wants, and 455 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: he feels that Miami Beach is best to recognize as 456 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: the capital of Israel. 457 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 4: That's his business. He can do it. 458 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: But once he starts talking about the Jewish people, now 459 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: he's inroaching upon religion, and now that's my domain. There 460 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: is absolutely no political relationship between the Jewish people and Jerusalem. 461 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: It's merely a holy city. The Jewish people don't have 462 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: a capital. We never had a capital. Countries have capitals, 463 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: States have capitals. That's the definition of a capital capital dictionary. 464 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: Now the most important city or town of a country 465 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: or region. Now, the Jewish people are not a country 466 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: or region. The Jewish people are a religious community. We 467 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: pray towards Jerusalem, but we relate to Jerusalem only as 468 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: a holy city, not as a political capital city of 469 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: the Jewish people. And all of those overtures that we 470 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: make to Jerusalem and the yearning that Jews have for 471 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: Jerusalem is only as a holy city, not as a 472 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: capital city. And because it's a holy city, it doesn't 473 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: matter who has sovereignty over it. Jerusalem is just as 474 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: holy and just as much Jerusalem, whether it's under the 475 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: auspices of the Turks or the Roman or the British, 476 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: or whoever. It's important to know that the Zionists were 477 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: the ones that started this business of the capital of 478 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: the Jewish people, and it's an idea that conflicts directly 479 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: with the teachings of Judaism. At Mount Sinai in the desert, 480 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: the Torres says, the Bible says about us Hayaim Hazenieslam. 481 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: That's when we became a people. The Jewish people aren't 482 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: a people because of a land, or out of people 483 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: because of a language. We're not out of people because 484 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: of a culture. We were a religion, and when we 485 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: were deputized into the religion, when we accepted the religion 486 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: given to us by God, that's when we became the 487 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: Jewish people. We had no land, no territories, we had 488 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: no capital city. And in fact, our commentators say, the 489 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: reason why God gave the Jews the Tora in the 490 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: desert before they went into the Holy Land was in 491 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: order to teach them that land country has nothing to 492 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: do with your jewishness. Your jewishness is because you accept 493 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: the religion. A couple of years ago, the Pope went 494 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: to visit Natanio, and Natanio's breaking to the Pope, this 495 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: is where Jesus lived in this land, and. 496 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: He spoke Hebrew here. 497 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: So the Pope corrected him. The Pope said, no, Aramaic, 498 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: And Pope was right, and nat Natanio says, yeah, yeah, 499 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: but he understood Hebrew. Well, you know, maybe he did. 500 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: But Hebrew was never the national language of the Jewish people. 501 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: It was a holy language, just like land of Israel 502 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: was a holy land. Oh by the way, if you 503 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: see the clip and you don't know which of the 504 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: two people talking as natanioh and which is the Pope, 505 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: the Pope's the one. 506 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 4: Wearing the Yamaica. 507 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: Even if we were to pretend that the Jewish people 508 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: have a capital, that would have nothing to do with 509 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: whether Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel, because Israel's 510 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: not the Jewish people. Israel has nothing to do with 511 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: the old Jewish commonwealth. It's a country that was created 512 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty eight. When you hear the Israelis or 513 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: the Zionists talk about how Jerusalem has a connection with 514 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: the Jewish people for two thousand years, three thousand years, 515 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: four thousand years, it's all true, but that doesn't translate 516 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 1: to well, therefore Juwsom has to be part of Israel. 517 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: People think that Israel is some kind of continuation of 518 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: the Jewish government, but it's not. It's a completely different 519 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: form of government, completely different values, completely different ideology, and 520 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: completely different people. These are not religious Jews that are 521 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: running the country. These are atheists. And yet the Israeli 522 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: prime ministers, from Ben Gurian all the way up to 523 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: Natanioh use the Bible as an excuse for ownership of 524 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: the land. Ben Gurion, he says, the mandate is not 525 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: our Bible, but the Bible is our mandate. This is 526 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: a man that didn't believe the Bible is given by God. 527 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: He didn't believe God ever spoke to prophets. He didn't 528 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: believe it at all. Neither does Benjamin Eitanioho. It says 529 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: in a Bible, watch the sabbath to keep it holy. Natanie, 530 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: who doesn't refrain from work on the Sabbath it says 531 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: not to eat non kosher food in the Bible. Does 532 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: Natanio who do the No, There is nothing wholly in 533 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: the Bible that Natanio, who cares about. The only thing 534 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 1: cares about is his land. Restorationists Protestants, we call them 535 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: Evangelical Christians today. They existed hundreds of years before any 536 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: Jewish Zionist was ever born. And because the Evangelicals, the Restorationists, 537 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: had great influence in Britain, and Britain had the mandate, 538 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: the Zionists very very much adopted the Christian evangelical interpretation 539 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: of the Bible, and. 540 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 4: That's what they use today. 541 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: You'll find that Benjamin Natanio sometimes even espouses Christian evangelical 542 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: interpretations of the Bible over the Jewish ones. A number 543 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: of years ago, Natania who spoke in the so side 544 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: of the Auschwitz concentration camp, and he mentioned a prophecy 545 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: in the book of Jacheskel about how the prophets saw 546 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: dried bones rising from the ground and growing flesh and 547 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: becoming live again. And Natania who said that that prophecy 548 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: is fulfilled with the date of Israel, because the Jews 549 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: were dry bones and now they grew flesh and they're 550 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: real people. Again, this interpretation is not found anywhere in 551 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: any Jewish source, because in Judaism this is impossible. But 552 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: for over a century this has been a Christian evangelical interpretation. 553 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: The Zionists when they talk about the Bible, they're not 554 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: talking about the Judaic version of Judaism and Jewishness. They're 555 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: talking really about the Christian evangelical version. Nataniou has no 556 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: right to claim that his state is mine. I was 557 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: born in America, my father was born in Poland. My 558 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: mother's family is from England. We have nothing to do 559 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 1: with Israel. We're Jews, We're observant Jews, we're religious Jews. 560 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: I wear Yamica. Natanio doesn't. I keep the shapest Natanio doesn't, 561 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: And Israel is not my nation state. 562 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 3: In the slightest this. 563 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: Is a eunilateral claim of the Israelis, of the Zionists, 564 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: and it's an assault on my religion. So too the 565 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: claim that Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish people, 566 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: because it transforms the Jewish people from a religious identity 567 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: to a national identity to a political identity, and it's 568 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: an assault on my religion. When Natanio says that because 569 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: Jerusalem is so connected to the Jewish people, therefore it 570 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: must be part of the State of Israel. Jerusalem's holiness, 571 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: Jusalem's value to the Jewish people, has nothing to do 572 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: with who owns it, and it certainly has no reason 573 00:35:38,000 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: to be part of the State of Israeli. 574 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 2: So this differentiation between person, nation, and ethnicity, it's really 575 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 2: important for this conversation now. As thesionists came up with 576 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,720 Speaker 2: this idea to build this modern nation state, there couldn't 577 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 2: have been any doubt in the original like mandates people's 578 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 2: mind that the only way to build the nation is 579 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 2: to expel the people that are there, because it's people 580 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: already there. You had to like kind of know that. 581 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 2: But at the same time, these people are functioning from serious, 582 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 2: deep seated, horrible atrocities that I wouldn't wish on anybody. 583 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 2: So with that type of trauma sitting in your bones, 584 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 2: the idea of somebody saying you don't belong here triggers 585 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 2: all of the anti Semitism that they've experienced for so long. 586 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 3: And I feel it because that's a real, real thing. 587 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 2: And I think I'm using terms like zionis Israeli again 588 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 2: on purpose, because these are all different types of identities 589 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: and they're all different things. Anti Semitism has to do 590 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 2: with the idea of you thinking that Jews should not exist. 591 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 2: That's absurd and deplorable and disgusting, and I understand why 592 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: they're so defensive about it. Right, So then you have 593 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 2: this mandate. Basically what happened was in during the nineteen forties, 594 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: it was under British control the region of Palestine. They 595 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 2: decided we're just gonna like, we're just gonna leave and 596 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 2: it's up for grabs. We're not gonna fight over it. It's 597 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 2: just this is too weird. Whoever wants it, you could 598 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: get it. And while Palestine was thinking, okay, finally y'all 599 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: gonna leave, this other group of people from Europe came 600 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 2: in and snatched them up up and was like, all right, 601 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 2: we building a nation. Israel's born. We just made a 602 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 2: deal with Europe, and Palistine Palestinians is like, wait, whoa 603 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 2: who are y'all? They're like, well, this is our ancestral land. 604 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 2: They're like, okay, well this is our ancestoral land too, 605 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 2: and our current land. Like what, You're just gonna build 606 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 2: a country right here? Well, that's cool, man, But like 607 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: we kind of already are a country. No, no, no, no, 608 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: this is the ancestral land of the Jewish people. And 609 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 2: the Palestinians was like, well, yeah, we a lot of 610 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 2: us are Jewish too. Yeah, no, we're from here. They're like, no, 611 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 2: we're from here. It's like, well damn, y'all look real 612 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 2: Russian to be from here. 613 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 4: Right. 614 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 2: The point is there was quite a culture class right there. 615 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 2: And then the next moves, y'all please understand they were political, 616 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 2: Like these moves are this is politics, y'all. And as 617 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 2: we know, what informs politics, just like in America, is faith, race, 618 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 2: and identity. Right, But it's different there because what does 619 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 2: it mean to be an Arab? A lot of times 620 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 2: you say Arab, you think Muslim. Not all Arabs are Muslim, 621 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 2: not all Arabs are Christian, not all Arabs are Jews. 622 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 2: Arab is it's an umbrella term that we want to 623 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 2: compartmentalize or something. So when you talk about Hamas being 624 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 2: a Muslim extremist, they just happen to be Muslim, right, 625 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 2: that's not that is not what radicalized them. 626 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 3: Well, radicalize them with oppression? 627 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 4: Right? 628 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 2: Who you thinking about when you think in a Muslim 629 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 2: extreme you thinking hesbelah, that's Iran, right, and they are. 630 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 2: That's more of a political religious zealot situation. Kamas as 631 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 2: different they from Palestine. They was in a different situation 632 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 2: they're facing. And this is the part that like I 633 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: feel like I had to like let myself see if 634 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna let myself. And it hurts me so much 635 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 2: to say it, but again, these moves are political. They're 636 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 2: not they're political move yo. And let me say this, 637 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 2: just like in America, there's plenty of times where you 638 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 2: know your regular ass this way, I have none to 639 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 2: do it. I can't tell you what we're doing everywhere, 640 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 2: like and I don't agree with everything they doing, like 641 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 2: so your regular Israeli citizen probably for the most part, 642 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: it is like, man, what is why y'all doing this? 643 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 2: All they know is damn moss be shelling us, Like 644 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 2: I wish y'all ain't shell us. 645 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,319 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like you know, that's all 646 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 3: they know, but they like, I. 647 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 2: Mean shit, man, Like now I don't agree with the 648 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 2: nation doing but like I mean, it is what it is, 649 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 2: Like what I'm gonna do? You know, So your regular 650 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 2: human is now, who I'm talking about, your regular ass 651 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 2: Israeli is not who I'm talking about here as a 652 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 2: geopolitical nation state they're experiencing. I mean, this is it's 653 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 2: an ethnic cleansing, like I don't know, it's it's kind 654 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 2: of what it is. And they're fighting back like y'all, y'all. 655 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 2: Gaza is the size of Washington, DC. It's five miles wide, 656 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 2: it's thirty five miles long, like. 657 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 3: GDS is tiny. 658 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 2: They's just And I heard somebody tell me that, well, 659 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 2: Israel gave gods back in two thousand and five. I 660 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 2: need to be more informed, And I'm like, that's a 661 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: weird way to give back. You tell me they gave back, 662 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 2: but they ain't got no army, they ain't got no 663 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 2: gut dang, they don't got no municipalities. They the power, 664 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 2: the water, the food, the borders is all controlled by 665 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 2: the other nation. That don't sound like that's giving back 666 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 2: to me. And you can't leave, like I just don't 667 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 2: seem like that don't sound like giving back to me. 668 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 2: All that to say, the radicalization of groups like Hamas, 669 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 2: now I'm gonna say probably probably has blood in their ear, 670 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 2: Like you're gonna let this shit ride. 671 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 3: You're gonna let them keep treating you like this. 672 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 2: But their radicalization was situational, like they just it's hard 673 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 2: to not imagine Native American tribes if this was seventeen 674 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 2: seventies something and Native Americans had their hands on some 675 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 2: of the same that they wouldn't have done the same. 676 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 2: I just I can't, are we do you okay? Listen, 677 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 2: let me pause this because I could already hear you. 678 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: Do you want me to condemn the killing of innocent civilians? 679 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you the same question. That's the pause 680 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 2: was on purpose because that's what war is like, and 681 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 2: it's and it's hard to even call this a war 682 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 2: because one of them don't got an army like this. 683 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to say right now, Like, of 684 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,720 Speaker 2: course it's disgusting. People always wanted black people to condemn 685 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 2: riots and condemn looting like war. Can you well, you're 686 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 2: not condoning these actions. I'm like, you want me to 687 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 2: do that, but you want me to do that and 688 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 2: compartmentalize it. The ship, the people going through that caused it, 689 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 2: the powder keg. But doctor King talked about it like 690 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 2: I can't condone this. I can't condemn this violence without 691 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 2: talking about the powder keg that these cities were sitting on, 692 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 2: like I can't now. Granted, I understand we still talk 693 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 2: about war crimes. That's why I started with the original story. 694 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 2: They war crimes like you duh. But yeah, So once 695 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 2: Israel became a nation, it started just chunking off different 696 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 2: regions and saying, Okay, look, this is what we gonna do. 697 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 2: We ain't leaving, Like I don't know if you've ever heard, 698 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 2: you know, some of the reparations they're starting to talk 699 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 2: about among Native Americans here and they're like, man, well 700 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 2: what can we America's like, well, what can we do 701 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 2: to make this better? And Native tribes is like, you 702 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 2: can give us our land back, which is the obvious 703 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 2: right you and I both know that's not gonna happen. 704 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 2: I don't even know why you asked, like, nigga, you 705 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 2: ask how you're gonna make it? Right, Nigga, you give 706 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 2: us our landback? When people say Palestine's not even willing 707 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 2: to negotiate, because they're like, I mean, it's already at 708 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 2: a loss, like y'all not leaving. I understand Israel being 709 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 2: like I don't want to hear nobody else tell us 710 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 2: that we can't be nowhere. I totally understand that. So 711 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 2: they're going through these negotiations, if you will. The problem 712 00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 2: is Israel has the most state of the are military 713 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 2: like on the planet, and they got the back end 714 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 2: of everybody, and you're fighting against the city of Seattle. 715 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 2: So like, I mean, of course it's going to be 716 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 2: a blood bad right, So they just so anyway, so 717 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 2: Israel kept chunking away, they kept agreeing to these certain things, 718 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 2: and then like if you like, I remember when I 719 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 2: went again, when I went into East Jerusalem into Bethlehem 720 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 2: and they're like, this is Palestine. I'm like, okay, dope, 721 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 2: what about those dope condos over there? They're like, oh, 722 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 2: those are Israeli settlements. Like wait, you mean to tell me, okay, 723 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 2: you mean to tell me this the part that they 724 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 2: gave you. But then they still took part of what 725 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 2: they gave you. It's like yeah, I was like, okay, 726 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 2: so they didn't give you nothing and give us nothing, 727 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's like again I 728 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 2: had to believe my own eyes. I was like, I mean, 729 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 2: this is I mean, it's kind of what's happening now. 730 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 2: That being said, from an Israeli perspective, it's a quality 731 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 2: of life situation where they could be like use it 732 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 2: the same argument, like damn, can we pay for your water? 733 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 4: Nigga? 734 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 3: We pay for. 735 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 2: Your power cuz like we your military, Like damn, nigga, 736 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 2: you get to be I mean, what else do you want? 737 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 3: Homie? 738 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 2: Like shit, that's that would be like the Israeli side, Like, 739 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 2: I mean, all y'all, do yon't even say thank you? 740 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 3: Just bomb us? 741 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 2: You just keep telling us we ain't doing shit right. 742 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 2: It's like, goddamn nigga, Like fuck, this is israel side, 743 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 2: Like what more can we do? Like we're not leaving, 744 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 2: I mean, got out of bread, like we're trying to 745 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 2: figure out a way for us to like work, Like 746 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,479 Speaker 2: I mean, shit, bro, But that brings us to now. 747 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 4: Okay. 748 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all remember last year there was 749 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 2: a bombing some violence that happened in one of Islam's 750 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 2: most holiest days, in one of their holiest temples, on 751 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 2: one of their most holy says. 752 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 3: You remember that? 753 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 4: Right? 754 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 2: According to Hamas, they're like this what we retaliating against? 755 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 2: Like y'all can't y'all just can't keep doing this to us. 756 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 2: I want you to feel the pain we felt and 757 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 2: continue to feel, because this is just one day for y'all. 758 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,839 Speaker 2: We've been going through this for seventy years. The pain 759 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 2: you feeling today, we've been going through for seventy years. 760 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 2: You would think that this is a podcast of approving 761 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 2: of that, and it's not. The idea that this was 762 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 2: unprovoked is laughable. The provoking started. You'd have to go 763 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 2: back to them out in an empire. Now, my final 764 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 2: thesis is how do. 765 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 3: You reverse engineer piece? Because the truth is that's really 766 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 3: my desire. 767 00:46:38,719 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 4: For the world. All right, next, all right. 768 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 2: At the grandular individual level, which is why I'm talking 769 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,839 Speaker 2: about this piece thing, the suffering is unimaginable, whether it's continued, 770 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,280 Speaker 2: a continuous suffering of the Palestinians, whether it's the moves 771 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 2: that Hamas is making, whether it's it's the specific situations 772 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 2: that are happening with you know, citizens of Israel and 773 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,439 Speaker 2: citizens of Palestine, whatever it. 774 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 3: Is, there's the sufferings unimaginable. 775 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 2: Again, as somebody who we're inner city kids, we get it. 776 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 3: The carnage, the carnage is unthinkable. 777 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 2: So we used to do our stop the violence, you know, 778 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,479 Speaker 2: pursuits our peace treaties. When you talk to somebody who's 779 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 2: really living that life and in their brain they're thinking, 780 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 2: you want me to sit across the table. This man 781 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 2: killed potentially killed a fourth of my family. They ain't 782 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 2: no peace. Fuck your truths, Like like Kendrick says, like, 783 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,800 Speaker 2: there's there's no like crawl your head in that news. 784 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 2: There is no you know that. And that's what That's 785 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 2: what this type of violence and suffering causes in a person. 786 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 2: But if you really want to see that type of 787 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 2: world peace that I think we all hope for, if 788 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 2: that's your goal, like I had a business partner say, 789 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 2: is if your goals in ten years you want this, 790 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 2: we need to reverse engineer that. Well what needs to 791 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 2: happen first, you know, and what steps need to be 792 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 2: taken to see that? 793 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 3: Now? 794 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 2: You know me, I wrote a book called Terror for 795 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 2: you know. So I'm listen. I'm a dreamer. I'm real, 796 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 2: I'm as real as it comes. 797 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,720 Speaker 3: But I'm a dreamer. Right now, I'm gonna be a dreamer. 798 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 4: I mean. 799 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 2: The first thing you gotta do is we got to 800 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 2: end colonialism. You have to end imperialism. You have to 801 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,359 Speaker 2: end partheis. You have to end it. You have to 802 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 2: end our modern geopolitical way we run nation states like 803 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 2: you have to. You can't have empires because this is why. 804 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,919 Speaker 2: How is Israel enforcing their borders? It's violence? How else 805 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 2: could you because no one would accept these terms. No 806 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 2: one would accept these terms. That's what you're witnessing. Nobody's 807 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 2: accepting these terms. I just get you have to enforce 808 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,799 Speaker 2: it by violence. Now, if you don't want to accept it, 809 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 2: how do you resist it? 810 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 3: Or you resist what's by violence? You resist? 811 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 2: That's what that's how you But if there wasn't a 812 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:07,360 Speaker 2: thing right, if there was, if the colonialism purely like, 813 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 2: if there wasn't a thing right you didn't have, you 814 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 2: wouldn't have to enforce borders that way. Like the homies 815 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 2: that search for common grounds say, you know, conflict is unavoidable, 816 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 2: but violence is a choice. We don't have conflicts when 817 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,439 Speaker 2: you got murder each other. Why are borders like that? 818 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,800 Speaker 2: Why why are that happened? 819 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 4: Well? 820 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 2: Because our economic model, our capitalism, whatever the model is, 821 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 2: our economic model is based on scarcity. It's controlling a resources. 822 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 2: The idea of like I think there's this thing with 823 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,879 Speaker 2: like like loitering laws. Like like, if you think about 824 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 2: loitering laws, what they're saying is you're not allowed to 825 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 2: be somewhere doing nothing. Like you can't just be outside 826 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,760 Speaker 2: doing nothing Like that's loitering because the land you're standing 827 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,120 Speaker 2: on belongs to someone, or maybe it doesn't, and if 828 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 2: it doesn't, you still can't do that. It means it 829 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,439 Speaker 2: belonged to the state, and the state get to say 830 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 2: this park is closed to ten o'clock, Like you just 831 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,759 Speaker 2: can't just be outside. 832 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 3: Like so when you control. 833 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 2: Resources, you're if your whole model is based on scarcity, 834 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 2: then it requires an enforcement of that scarcity to maintain 835 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 2: your system. 836 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 3: When we talked about like looting, you know why is looting? 837 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 2: At the end of Hurricane Katrina Nigga, y'all talk about looting, 838 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,400 Speaker 2: I don't understand. A hurricane just happened. We just everybody hungry. 839 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,240 Speaker 2: I don't understand. How was you talking about? 840 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 3: What do you mean looting? I would love to pay 841 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 3: the guy for the for the. 842 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,720 Speaker 2: You want me to leave five dollars on the counter? 843 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 2: Jup said, Like what you want me to do? Like 844 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 2: it's the city's underwater, Like, I, well, there's food at 845 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 2: the shelter. How you how you how you think I'm 846 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 2: gonna get there? Like it just I just like it's 847 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,800 Speaker 2: so preposteros. Right, So I'm saying, if you're gonna protect 848 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,399 Speaker 2: your little store, the only way to do it is you. 849 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta put a gun in my face 850 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 2: because if it's me and if you coming between me 851 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,959 Speaker 2: and my child's play, the food nigga is violence, you'd 852 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 2: have to You'd have to you have to rethink all that. 853 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 2: I have to do away with racial supremacy. I'm about 854 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,759 Speaker 2: outlawing it, like it has to go away. You have to, 855 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 2: because it's racial supremacy. Like if you look at the 856 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 2: doctrine of the Discovery, like you look at what we 857 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 2: looking at right now, Like these people really think that 858 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 2: some people's lives are just worthless. Like if y'all would 859 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 2: just stay in y'all place, if you just you just 860 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 2: you just really view these other people on the other 861 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,359 Speaker 2: side of this border as like they pawns in a war. 862 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We trying to make a 863 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 3: bigger point here. 864 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 2: I just I mean, how can you how else can 865 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 2: you justify what chattel slavery was? If you if you 866 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 2: understand that the Africans are humans like you can't us 867 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,359 Speaker 2: to find a holocaust if you don't think you think 868 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,239 Speaker 2: Jews are You can't justify what we did to the 869 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 2: Native Americans if you don't call them savages. It's the 870 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 2: same language you're hearing about immigration right now. Racial supremacy, 871 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 2: that type of like racism, that type of thinking makes violence. Okay, man, 872 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 2: fuck them over there. So before you start talking about, oh, 873 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 2: I just want peace, I just want peace, Okay, you 874 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 2: gotta think about the things that have to happen for 875 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 2: us to see that piece. And my question to you 876 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 2: is how bad do. 877 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 3: You want peace? The politics y'all? 878 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,000 Speaker 2: Yo yo. This thing right here was recorded by Me 879 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,520 Speaker 2: Propaganda and East Low's Boil Heights, Los Angeles, California. 880 00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 3: This thing was mixed, edited. 881 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,919 Speaker 2: Mastered, and scored by the one and the only Matt Awsowski. 882 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 2: Y'all check out this fool's music. I mean it's incredible. 883 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 2: Executive produced by Sophie Lichterman for Cool Zone Media. Man, 884 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 2: and thank you for everybody who continue to tap in 885 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 2: with us. Make sure you leaving reviews and five star 886 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 2: ratings and sharing it with the homies so we could 887 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 2: get this thing pushed up in the algorithm and listen. 888 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 2: I just want to remind you these people is not 889 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,799 Speaker 2: smarter than you. If you understand city living, you understand politics, 890 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.