1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A Ditty knife attack. 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: That's right, A victim describes ambushing Combs with a knife, 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: attacking him with a knife after he allegedly rapes her, 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: and Diddy paranoia. Now did he claiming prosecutors are in 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: disguise sparring on him in his jail cell as he 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: claims I'm not a monster? As he files a fifty 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: million dollar lawsuit against a witness. Now think about it, JFK, 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: RFK MLK and Diddy Yes, Demands mounting for the secret 9 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: did he files to be released? I'm Nancy Grace, this 10 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: Did he hits back? A fifty million dollar defamation suit 12 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: filed by the music Moguli against grand jury witness who 13 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 3: claims to have infamous freakoff tapes lawsuits? 14 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Lawsuit? 15 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: I want to talk about a ditty knife attack unless 16 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: rape victim claim she was gang raped at the hands 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: of Ditty, a revenge rape after she brings up to 18 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: Pac Shakur's murder and after that says she goes to 19 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: stab Ditty straight out to Crime online dot Com investigative 20 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: reporter Sydney Summer, what happened? 21 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 4: Ben she that's correct. Ashley Parham claimed that she was 22 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: attacked at a friend zone. She made this comment to 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 4: a friend a man she was kind of seeing, and 24 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 4: she claims he lured her to his home knowing that 25 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 4: Ditty and these other men would be there and attack her, 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 4: so she claimed she was gang raped. She claims Ditty 27 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: attacked her viciously with a TV remote and after that attack, 28 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: she claimed, all of the men who were involved act 29 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: like nothing happened. She walked out into the backyard at 30 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: this home, found Diddy and his associates smoking casually in 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 4: the backyard. He makes a comment to her, I'm surprised 32 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: you can walk. He claims that he drugged her like 33 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 4: a horse, and she had already armed herself with a 34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: kitchen knife because she's in fear. She couldn't find her clothes, 35 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 4: she couldn't find her purse, her cell phone, and she's 36 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 4: at this man's house that she doesn't know very well, 37 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: so she arms herself with a kitchen knife. She confronts 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 4: these men out in the backyard and with Ditty's comments 39 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 4: to her, she was angry and she attacked him with 40 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: a knife. She claims that he begged for his life 41 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 4: he was scared, and this thought just came to her, 42 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 4: like this is so insane, this is so crazy, I 43 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 4: can't do this. So instead of stabbing him, she takes off, 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: running to a neighbor's house, and that neighbor then called 45 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: law enforcement. 46 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: Joining me. 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw, founder or director Linz Warriors. Their sole effort 48 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: as a nonprofit is to stop sex trafficking and help 49 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: sex assault victims. You know, when Shaw, when I hear that, 50 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: my blood boils because I have investigated and prosecuted so 51 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: many rape cases, vicious rape cases were After the rape, 52 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: the rapist just acts like no big deal, according to her, 53 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: And of course, Shawn Combs is innocent until proven guilty 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 2: after a gang rape, including by using a TV remote 55 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: on this victim. Shawn Combs and his gang is standing 56 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: outside smoking, acting like nothing happened. 57 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 5: Well, usual behavior from people like this, these monsters. Nancy. 58 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: My question would be she ran to a neighbor's house, 59 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 5: the neighbor called law enforcement. I always go to where 60 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 5: is the follow up to hold the accountability what happened there? 61 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 5: And I'm going to go back to also, were there 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 5: any women there that were watching this that could have 63 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 5: helped her? Who could speak out because I have to 64 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 5: say something. So many people are complicit here, We're not 65 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: getting to the bottom of that list. You know, where 66 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 5: was this Christina Korn? Where were the other women and girls? 67 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to say girls. 68 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 5: Because I maintained eventually, eventually we are going to find 69 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 5: out about minors. I stand by that to. 70 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner right now. Yes, Lynn Shaw is right. Were 71 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: there other witnesses? Yeah, I doubt they're saying anything because 72 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: they were part. 73 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Of a gang according to this witness. 74 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: And you know what, I smelled, Joshua River, high profile 75 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: lawyer and joined me out of LA jurisdiction. I smell witnesses, 76 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: witnesses that can either cough up about this knife attack 77 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: on Ditty or choose to be co defendants. 78 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 6: I don't know what witnesses exactly are going to materialize 79 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 6: after this whole thing. I mean, we're talking about somebody 80 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 6: making allegations from decades ago. What exactly are they going 81 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 6: to walk into court with? 82 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 7: Is my question. 83 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 6: And Joe, it's no wonder that people are coming out 84 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 6: of the woodwork decades and decades later, because it's so 85 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 6: easy to do at this point when you've got a 86 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 6: man in prison, who seriously can't defend himself. 87 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if something's wrong with my ISB, 88 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: but none of these people are gonna walk into court 89 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: struggling in casually. They're going to be dragged into court 90 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: or else they can choose to be a co defendant. 91 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: And when you say, who are the witnesses? 92 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 2: For one, Ashley Parham, the woman you're just hearing about 93 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: that says she was raped at the hands of Diddy 94 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: and was so upset she went after. 95 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: Him with a knife. 96 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 2: And let me just say, doctor Sherry Schwartz joining us 97 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: renowned forensic psychologist, doctor Sherry. The fact that she is 98 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: admitting to trying to stab Sean Combs after an alleged rape, 99 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: to me, gives her story a certain air of credit ability, 100 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: because usually witnesses don't admit they committed and aggravated assault 101 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: with a knife. That's right. 102 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 8: The fact that she is telling on herself effectively that 103 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 8: she went after him with a knife, and it sounds 104 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 8: like intended to do him harm before her senses caught 105 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 8: up with her and she went for help, she's implicating 106 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 8: herself in a very serious crime. 107 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: The alleged knife attack on Shawn Combe's coming to light 108 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 2: as he files a fifty million dollar lawsuit. Now, wait, wait, 109 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: Shawn Combs is answering up to nearly fifty potential lawsuits 110 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: plus a massive federal indictment charging sex trafficking, and he 111 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: is suing for fifty million dollars. 112 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: What listen? 113 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: While Sean Diddy Combs has been sued forty two times 114 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: in just over a year, the disgraced mogul has just 115 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: filed one of his own. Combs has logged a fifthty 116 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: million dollar defamation lawsuit against grand jury witness Courtney Burgess 117 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: and his lawyer Ariel Mitchell. Combs accuses Burgess of pretending 118 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 3: to have proof that mister Combs engaged in heines acts, 119 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: knowing no such proof exists. Referring to sex tapes, Burgess 120 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: claims depict Combs sexually assaulting celebrities and miners. 121 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: A fifty million dollar lawsuit. I would think that would 122 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: be filed against song comes, but it's the reverse, Okay, 123 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner, what's happening, Nancy? 124 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 4: Shawn Combs is claiming that this is a defamation suit. 125 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: He's claiming that people are pretending to have evidence of 126 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: these fruit offs that doesn't exist. He claims that Burgess, 127 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: who says he has eight tapes depicting Combs sexually assaulting 128 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: celebrities miners. Paul claims those don't exist. In Burgess is 129 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: lying and it is damaging his reputation. It's painting the 130 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: jury pool. It's causing irreferable harm. 131 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: Well, let's take a listen. Let's hear it from the 132 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: horse's mouth. This is what Burgess tells us too. 133 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 9: Sex A lot of celebrities, people getting high drunk, like 134 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 9: in a trance because one one's on the table, he's 135 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 9: eating off you understand, and they was you know, I'm 136 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 9: looking at just go a street naked and she don't 137 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 9: feel like she embarrassed with anything. Water poured on what 138 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 9: it was tubbs. 139 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 7: Yes, it seemed like there was more in the trans 140 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 7: and more than drunk. 141 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 9: Because you're drunk, you use it slurn. 142 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: That's Courtney Burgess describing exactly what is in the tape 143 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: that he has. 144 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: Quote. 145 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: It depicts sex people getting high drunk, uh, stuck in 146 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: a trance because one's on the table and eating off us. 147 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this. 148 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: Girl naked, not embarrassed her anything. Water poured all over 149 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: her tubs? Yes, it was more than a trance. It 150 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: was more than drunk. What is he saying, Sydney, Nancy. 151 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: I think he's saying that it appears the people in 152 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: these tapes aren't fully aware of what's going on. This 153 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 4: woman who's completely naked in this video has no shame 154 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 4: about covering her body. These people just don't. They're not 155 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 4: fully there. Maybe they're drugged, maybe they're on a combination 156 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 4: of things. But Burgess is saying it does not appear 157 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 4: that Sean Combe's partners in these stepscapes are aware that 158 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: they're having sex or that they're being recorded. 159 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that's having sex, Sydney. 160 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: When someone is raping you and you're passed out, drunk 161 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: or high, commentos, that's not sex. 162 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: That is right without consent. Listen. 163 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 10: Burgess maintains that he is telling the truth about receiving 164 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 10: a flash drive containing the video files and Porter's manuscript 165 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 10: through an intermediary for Jess, calling diddyel for having the 166 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 10: nerve to sue when he will quote rotten jail for 167 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 10: what he's done. His lawyer Ariel Mitchell, who claims to 168 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 10: have seen the tapes, stands by Burgess, calling Comb's suit 169 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,479 Speaker 10: a pathetic ploy to silence victims and plans to counter. 170 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: Sue crime stories with Nancy Grace. 171 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: Here's my question. 172 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:34,479 Speaker 2: Shawn Combe's diddy is suing Burgess and his lawyer, claiming 173 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: that they fabricated the whole story about tapes of frea coffs. 174 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: Free coffs basically rapes. 175 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: On video, So if they don't exist, then why is 176 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: agna Fello demanding they be handed over? 177 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: Listen? 178 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 10: Attorney Mark Agniphilo is demanding that prosecutors hand over multiple 179 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 10: videos of Shawan Combe's infamous freak off, claiming the tapes 180 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 10: prove his innocence. Prosecutors have described the tapes as elaborate 181 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 10: and produced sex performances, but agna Philo claims they depict 182 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 10: private sexual activity between Combs and Cassie Ventura, who, he says, 183 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 10: quote not only consented, but thoroughly enjoyed herself. 184 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: And there he goes climbing the tape show that all 185 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: of the alleged rapes were consensual, including Cassie Ventura. Now, 186 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: remember Cassie Ventura was caught on video running down a 187 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: hotel corridor a public hotel, with Comb's chasing her in 188 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: a towel because she didn't want to return to a 189 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: free cough according to her, and this video bears that out. 190 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: So here's my question, Josh Ritter. 191 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: If the tapes don't exist, why is Agnafello and come 192 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: is making such a big deal about getting them return 193 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: handed over to the defense. 194 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 6: Because what is the government doing holding on to them 195 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 6: the government? This is not how it works. The government 196 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 6: doesn't get to say we have a bunch of evidence, 197 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 6: we have evidence showing you performing certain crimes, and not 198 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 6: turn that over. He has a right to have that, 199 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 6: He has a right to demand it from the government. 200 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: You like to say, you don't like saying it. A 201 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: lot of people don't. 202 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: Video of him performing certain crimes you mean gang raping 203 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: alleged victims shall they're drugged and pass out? 204 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: Say it. That's what's alleged. That's what he's defending against. 205 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: It doesn't taste good, does it. It feels bad because 206 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: it is bad. 207 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 6: And agna Philo is saying, if you've got it, then 208 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 6: then produce it. If you're going to speak about having it, 209 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 6: then actually come with the goods. Instead of telling everybody 210 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 6: what you've got and tainting the jury pool, then actually 211 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 6: show up with the goods and the evidence and we'll 212 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 6: take a look for ourselves and see exactly what these 213 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 6: videotapes show. 214 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: Did He insist he is not a monster, and he 215 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: pushes back against an alleged media frenzy by individuals seeking 216 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 3: to Robin at his expense, claims the Rappers attorneys. 217 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 2: As Seawan Combs files a fifty million dollar lawsuit. More 218 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: apparently baby oil rearing its ugly head again. 219 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: Listen, did he accuser using the pseudonym? Nicole, who says 220 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 3: she had a four year relationship with Sean Combs, says 221 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 3: she last saw him in July of twenty twenty four. 222 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: Nicole claims Comb shoved two pills down her throat, shortly 223 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: after which she passed out. She says she woke up 224 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 3: to their hotel room destroyed, surrounded by empty bottles of 225 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: baby oil and wine, food containers, towels, and a hookah. 226 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 3: Nicole says she immediately left with no word from Combs 227 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: until receiving an invitation to see him in New York 228 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: the day before his arrest. 229 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: Wow, Sidney Sumner, what is she saying? 230 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: And how does baby oil keep popping up throughout this investigation? 231 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: We don't know about the baby oil? 232 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 11: Nancy but this woman, Nicole filed an anonymous lawfood as 233 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 11: a Jane Doe back last year, and she claims that 234 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 11: over four years, Ditty repeatedly drugged her and raped her 235 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 11: while she was drugged over. 236 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 4: Their relationship, and in one instance, she even became pregnant 237 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 4: with his child. She claims at that point an associate 238 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 4: of Ditty, a woman who she never really identified, called 239 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 4: her and berated her to have an abortion to get 240 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 4: rid of this baby. She ended up carrying anyway, and 241 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: spent months avoiding Ditty's contact, but he would always suck 242 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: her in again. 243 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Sherry Schwartz, even if not her real name, 244 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: Nicole is telling the truth. 245 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: I have no reason to doubt her. 246 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: She's going to be attacked and torn to shreds on 247 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: cross exam. I'll tell you why, because she says these 248 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: rapes occurred over a period of time, and the defense 249 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: is going. 250 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: To argue, then why did you go back? 251 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: Very often, the psychopathy of a rapist and his victim 252 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: is something very hard to understand, but what she is 253 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: saying is mirrored by other witnesses. 254 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 8: Yes, And one of the interesting things about this case 255 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 8: and unique about this case in particular, is the theme 256 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 8: of Ditty and the power in that context, and so 257 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 8: for many of these women, and there's no doubt that 258 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 8: he's very charismatic as well. 259 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: For these women, there was probably. 260 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 8: Some incentive to go back. And I don't mean that 261 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 8: in a way that they are to share the blame 262 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 8: for what happened to them, because the victim isn't to blame. 263 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 8: But when you're dealing with somebody who's so charismatic and powerful, 264 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 8: and maybe we don't know, maybe says, hey, I have 265 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 8: a tape. 266 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: Why do you keep saying Ditty's charismatic? When I look 267 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: at Ditty, I say Satan himself. I mean, all of 268 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: these witnesses cannot be lying and only one telling the truth. 269 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he's got over forty lawsuits plus a federal 270 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: six trafficking indictment that's as thick as the Bible thrown 271 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: at him. 272 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: And you think he's charismatic. 273 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 8: Well, I don't necessarily think he's charismatic, But when you're 274 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 8: dealing with somebody that has antisocial traits, psychopathic traits, then 275 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 8: you would be very surprised at how charismatic and convincing 276 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 8: they can be to lure their victims back. In especially 277 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 8: if there's some sort of emotional connection. 278 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: Well, what about this money, power and control? According to 279 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: a lot of these victims, excuse me, alleged victims, He's innocent. 280 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: Until proven guilty. 281 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: These victims say they thought their career in show business 282 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: would be over, that he would destroy them if they 283 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: didn't go along. 284 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: But this whole baby oil theme continues. 285 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: To rear its ugly head. Here there is a when 286 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: is corroborating what Nicole says? 287 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: Listen. 288 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 12: Several accusers have described Combe's excessive use of baby oil x. 289 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 12: Nicole claims Comb's encouraged her to coat herself in warmed 290 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 12: baby oil before their encounters, and the mogul could go 291 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 12: through an entire bottle in less than five minutes. Former 292 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 12: assistant Philip Pines claims the floors were always slippery while 293 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 12: he cleaned up Combs's Wild King Knights. Pine says there 294 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 12: were often rings of oil around the bathtub and he 295 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 12: could feel oil in the water while he drained a 296 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 12: used bath. Pine says he never wants to smell that 297 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 12: stuff again. 298 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: Oh okay, wait a minute. 299 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: Nicole, not her real name, describes waking up after being 300 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: sex assaulted with the whole area strown, the rooms strown 301 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: with empty baby oil bottles. Now, a former assistant, I 302 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: get us. The defense lawyer Joshua Ridder would say, crawled 303 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: the woodwork like he's a roach. No, I disagree with that. Look, 304 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: all your witnesses are not going to be nuns in 305 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 2: priests and virgins, Ridder. These witnesses are corroborating each other. 306 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: He claims the floors were slippery after he cleaned up 307 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: after a wild king night. 308 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: I don't even know want to know what that is. 309 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: He says, there were rings Okay Lynn Shaw, rings of 310 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: oil around the bathtub, that he could still feel the 311 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: oil in the water while draining a bath that he 312 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: can't stand to smell baby oil. That's disgusting. 313 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 5: Listen, we have to talk about the victims, all of 314 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 5: these victims coming together giving us similar stories that don't 315 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 5: even know each other. Can we please go back to 316 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 5: searching about the victims, talking about them, because I'll tell 317 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 5: you why this is so important. All of the women 318 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 5: and men, girls and boys we work with at the 319 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 5: Warriors are depending on this case. They're asking me on 320 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 5: a daily basis, will Dirty Diddy be held accountable? And 321 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 5: waiting and waiting and waiting for this. So let's talk 322 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 5: about accountability. We've seen kicking, we've seen strangling, We've seen 323 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 5: baby oil bathtubs. Let's get to it and hold this 324 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 5: guy accountable. What else do we have to see in here? 325 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 2: Apparently defense attorney Agna Fello is also on the baby 326 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: oil bandwagon, and he really stuck his foot in his 327 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: mouth in an interview with our friend Harvey Levin. 328 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 13: They call them freak offs. But you know, back when 329 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 13: I was a kid in the late seventies, they were 330 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 13: called threesomes. 331 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 6: If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain the 332 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 6: thousand bottles of baby oil? 333 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 13: I don't know where the number one thousand came the 334 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 13: US attorney set. I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean, 335 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 13: you know, and I'm not really sure what the baby 336 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 13: oil has to do with anything. 337 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 6: They're essential saying it's a lubricant for an orgy. 338 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 13: I guess I don't know what you need A thousand 339 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 13: one bottle of baby oil goes a long way. I 340 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 13: don't know what you need to need a thousand for. 341 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 13: I mean, he has a big house. He buys in bulk, 342 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 13: you know, I think they have costcos in every place 343 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 13: where he has a home. I mean, have you sat 344 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 13: in the parking lot of a Costco and see what 345 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 13: people walk out. 346 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 11: Of there with? 347 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: Not a thousand bottles of baby oil? I don't think 348 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: it was a thousand. 349 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 3: I think it was. 350 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 13: I think it was a let's just say it's a line, okay. 351 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: From our friends at TMZ. 352 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 2: That's our friend Harvey Levin and having a field day 353 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: with Combs, a defense attorney Agna Fello. Okay, I hardly 354 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: think Shawn Comes is sitting out in his minivan outside 355 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 2: the Costco buying in bulk. But hey, maybe he is, 356 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: because one of these witnesses says Comes goes through. 357 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: Multiple bottles of baby oil. 358 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: In just a minute, and speaking of baby oil. Did 359 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: not think in law school that I was going to 360 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: be talking about that joining me outside of Shawn Comes 361 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: aka Ditties Miami mansion. 362 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: Remember, he paid that whole. 363 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: Thing off because he's going to use it as collateral 364 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 2: to get get out of jail on bond. Robert Crispin, 365 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: former Task Force dea, now private investigator and owner of 366 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: Crispin Special Investigations. You're standing out in front of the mansion. 367 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: Now that's the mansion where apparently a thousand bottles of 368 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: baby oil were confiscated. 369 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 14: Yeah, it's the white gates right behind me, and it's 370 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 14: in fabulous Star Island in Miami Beach. It's the enclave 371 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 14: to amazing millionaires and billionaires and hedge fund people. Certainly 372 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 14: not a Diddy behavior category, but it's fifty five acres 373 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 14: of complete paradise with amazing views of Kibiskaine and amazing 374 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 14: views of the skyline of Miami. 375 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: It's incredible. Crispin. 376 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: Did I ask you about Diddy's view of the skyline? 377 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: No, I didn't. 378 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 2: I asked you about a criminal investigation, Crispin. Weren't you 379 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 2: with the Federal Task Force in the Department of Justice 380 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: with the deea homicide, crimes against children and more. I 381 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: don't care about the keeps Game skyline. I'm asking you. 382 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: Are you in front of where a thousand bottles of 383 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: baby oil were confiscated along with a treasure trove of 384 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 2: digital evidence we believe against Sean Combs. 385 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 14: Right behind those white gates behind my left shoulders, where 386 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 14: it all went down is where agents pulled troths and 387 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 14: troths of evidence out of there, including those bottles of 388 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 14: baby oil. 389 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: You know what, You. 390 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: Don't have to say it like it tastes bad, because 391 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: that's going to be an element of proof. And you 392 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: cannot go in front of a jury and act like 393 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 2: you disbelieve it or you discount it. Because these women 394 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: are describing waking up with pain in their vaginas and anuses, 395 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: surrounded by empty bottles of baby oil. Don't laugh it off, Crispin. 396 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: But Crispin, while are you there? You're in front of 397 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: Denny's mansion in Miami. Isn't that where he intended to 398 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: stay if he had made bond and had planned to 399 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: fly to Miami from Manhattan. 400 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 14: Yeah? Actually, he said that he was going to stay 401 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 14: right here in his Miami mansion and he'd wear a 402 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 14: GPS tracker and any of his travel would be tracked. 403 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 14: And this is it. This is where he would stay. 404 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 14: But I can tell you if from talking to some neighbors, 405 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 14: that's certainly not what they wanted. Some of these neighbors 406 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 14: told me today that they were subjected to two in 407 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 14: three day and night long parties going on at this mansion. 408 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 7: Right behind me. 409 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 14: And when they talked about they're happy when he didn't 410 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 14: get a bond, I don't see anybody crying that their 411 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 14: neighborhood is not the center of all this attention and 412 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 14: wild parties that last two and three nights long. 413 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: Much less the Feds closing in in a major raid 414 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: on that place. So you state that the neighbors around 415 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: that multimillion dollar mansion they're in Miami knew that there 416 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: would be three and four day parties. That's certainly putting 417 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: perfume on the pig. The Feds call it free coughs 418 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: aka rapes. So did they not suspect. 419 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: That criminal activity was taking place? 420 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 14: You know, I got to tell you I had a 421 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 14: conversation with one of those people today about that, and 422 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 14: you know why the police never came. And I'll be 423 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 14: honest with you. You know, you got a lot of money, 424 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 14: you party. Some people party more than other people. If 425 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 14: you got a lot of money, sometimes you party more 426 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 14: than people who don't have a lot of money. But 427 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 14: these are such sprawling estates that what goes on inside 428 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 14: these houses you're probably just not going to hear. With 429 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 14: the hurricane windows and the size of the property here. 430 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 14: This is home to, like I said, fifty five acres 431 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 14: of paradise, and there's only about fifty houses here, and 432 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 14: they're you know, they're sprawled out, so they got an 433 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 14: acre acre and a half between them, so you're really 434 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 14: knocking to hear things. When you go back inside and 435 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 14: Diddy's backyard, it overlooks the water and it's the first 436 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 14: house when you come over the bridge on your left. 437 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 14: So it's not like he was deep inside this development. 438 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 14: He was right at the entrance, so there wasn't a 439 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 14: whole lot of people that were going to see anything. 440 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 14: It was his backyard, the water. And then three ninety five. 441 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 3: The disgrace for rapper and music mogul Sean He Diddy 442 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: Combs maintains his innocence and it's the slew of sexisault 443 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 3: allegations and federal sex trafficking charges. 444 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: Tonight, we were. 445 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: Joining you not only from New York, but we are 446 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: also camped outside Diddy's Miami mansion. 447 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: But first I want you to hear. 448 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: From MTV's Make the Band. This is where Sean comes 449 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: is brating a woman about getting fat thing. 450 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: Okay, some of you might laugh at that. I think 451 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: that's no big deal. 452 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: That, by the way, from our friends at MTV on 453 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: Making the Band, But it's just another way of degrading women. 454 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 2: I want to watch this one more time. Take a 455 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 2: look at the look on her face. 456 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: A thing, Llanita, what's your stomach looking like? For real? 457 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: Are you feeling a little thick fat? 458 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: You're like a burger away, Doctor Schwartz, could you please 459 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: weigh in on this. This has just come to lie 460 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: and there's so much more. And I know Joshua Ritter's 461 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: going to scream to high have and that doesn't prove anything, 462 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: And he's right. It doesn't prove sex trafficking, but it 463 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: does prove a casual cruelty, a nonsalant abusive nature toward women. 464 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: It absolutely does. 465 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 8: And while it may not prove sex trafficking, it shows 466 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 8: a pattern of behavior toward women and his general view 467 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 8: of women. 468 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: Which is negative. 469 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 8: And also he knows this is being filmed and is 470 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 8: going to be broadcast, and he does it anyway knowing 471 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 8: that this is going to humiliate this woman. 472 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: Rider. 473 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: I guess you're going to client it proves nothing. 474 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 6: Right, Burgers and baby oil don't prove anything. Listen, you 475 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 6: can call him a jerk. You can say he's been 476 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 6: a bad guy for a very long time. You can 477 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 6: say he's been even exploitive of people. But that's none 478 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 6: of that are crimes. All of this sounds awful, and 479 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 6: we can talk about it all day long, and MTV 480 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 6: can exploit it and and Harvey Levin can get into 481 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 6: the baby oil, but none of it is evidence in court. 482 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 6: And that's my whole point. Is the government better becoming 483 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 6: with something better than baby oil and burgers if they 484 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 6: want to convict a man for the serious crimes that 485 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 6: they have alleged against him. 486 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: Rid or look around to you. Do you think you're 487 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: in court? Do you see a judge and a black 488 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: robe in front of you? No, you do not. You 489 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: are in a studio. 490 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: You are in a TV studio joining us from California. 491 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: We're not bound by the rules of evidence right now. 492 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: We're talking about the truth, and the truth is he 493 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: was demeaning and abusive to women. Will that video I 494 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: just showed you come into court. No. And I wouldn't 495 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: try to bring it into court because I would lose 496 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: credibility because I know it's inadmissible and it's not relevant. However, 497 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: the baby oil is a whole another can of worms, 498 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: because one victim after the next, after the next say 499 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: that they were subjected to coating themselves sometimes in five 500 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: five one two through for five bottles of baby oil 501 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: before they were sex assaulted. Again comes innocent until proven 502 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: guilty and speaking of baby oil. Back to the Miami mansion. 503 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 2: Robert Crispin standing by, owner of Crispin Special Investigations, former 504 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: fed in that jurisdiction. You know now that I'm thinking 505 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: about where you are, Crispin Diddy paid down the mortgage. 506 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: I think he paid it off, correct me if I'm wrong, 507 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner, so he could use that house as collateral 508 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: if he were allowed bail. 509 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: He was not allowed bail. 510 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: That means that thing is paid off in full, multi 511 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: multimillion dollar home. I think the victims are going to 512 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: go after that in lawsuits. That's going to be attached 513 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: to these lawsuits. I mean, tell me about it. How 514 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: big is it? 515 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: How much is it worth now? 516 00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: Nancy? 517 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 14: It's valued right now at about forty eight million dollars. 518 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 14: But he paid off the eighteen million thinking it's going 519 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 14: to tell the judge, hey, I'm putting up my entire house. Well, 520 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 14: that was a really bad decision on his lawyer's part. 521 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 14: Because there's a thing in a federal government called forfeiture, 522 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 14: and the government is in the business of making money 523 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 14: as well, So that house is going to be forfeited. 524 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 14: I can guarantee you that house is going to the government. 525 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: Legal documents we obtained show that he paid off the 526 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 2: eighteen million dollars that he still owed on that Miami 527 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: property so he could use his collateral in the bail plea. 528 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: The home is completely unencumbered now. I think, as Crispin 529 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: is pointing out, that was the home he intended to 530 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: use as his Heidi. 531 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: Hole if he made bond. 532 00:30:53,120 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: And again, Crispin, the significance of this mansion is guns, ammunition, drugs, 533 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 2: and large amounts of baby oil and lubricant related to 534 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 2: violent sex events dubbed freak coughs were. 535 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: Found there in the mansion behind. 536 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 3: You exactly, Nancy. 537 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 14: The white gates behind me was ground zero for all 538 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 14: this nefarious and criminal behavior. And when the Feds came 539 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 14: showing up on the door and took all that evidence, 540 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 14: the baby oil, the electronic evidence, this is everything that 541 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 14: got him indicted. 542 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Diddy's defense is now claiming 543 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 3: the government is spying on the wrapper behind bars. The 544 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 3: attorney's alleged prosecutors arranged the search of Comb's jail cell 545 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 3: not to look for contraband, but for evidence. They insist. 546 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: Federal investigators are posing his prison guards to listen in 547 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: and record all Comb's phone calls, including those with his attorneys, 548 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 3: to then furnish the recordings to the US Attorney's office. 549 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: Didy, Nooya, that's right. Diddy's paranoia knows no heights. 550 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if rich and powerful people are more 551 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: paranoid than the. 552 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: Rest of us. 553 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: Joining me right now a special guest, doctor Dwayne Hendrix, 554 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: former associate warden at MDC Metropolitan Detention Center housing Diddy. 555 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: He is also founder and president of a New Daylight Foundation. 556 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: He is the author of who Are You See It? 557 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: Say It? Seese It? Doctor Hendrix. 558 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: I could go on about your resume, but can we 559 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: get right down to it. Sean Comb's now claiming that 560 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: prosecutors are in disguise planted within the MDC to spy 561 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: on him in his jail cell. 562 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: This is your home away from home, MDC. What about it? 563 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: Did you ever super supervise any special offs with the 564 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: prosecutors dressed up in disguise to spy on a jailmate, 565 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: not at all. 566 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 15: There are not enough resources for agents to be posed 567 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 15: as correction officers to despise specifically on mister Cone's The 568 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 15: allegations are far fetched. 569 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 7: I will call them hell. Mary. 570 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 15: I believe he's getting the same attention in all other 571 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 15: offenders that are waiting trial or waiting to be sent 572 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 15: to a. 573 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 7: Prison, just like anyone else. Now, I will say, uh, 574 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 7: there are operations. 575 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 15: There are special operations that does occur in federal facilities 576 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 15: and state fiel facilities and county facilities all across the country. However, 577 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 15: it would have this operation would have to go all 578 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 15: the way up through the DJ and get clearance for 579 00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 15: you know what we call Office of Enforcement operations process. However, 580 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 15: I just feel like he's paranoid and I just don't understand. 581 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 7: I don't think he knows where the. 582 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 15: Next a shot at him is going to come from, 583 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 15: because he's done so many people, done so many people wrong, 584 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 15: and so awsu to come in his way. 585 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 7: In a paranoid state, really just trying to figure out 586 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 7: where the next shot at him. 587 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: Is going to come Okay, hold on, hold on, uh, 588 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,240 Speaker 2: doctor Hendrix, let me just correct you. Okay, nobody's taking 589 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 2: shots at Diddy. He's accused of sex trafficking. There are 590 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: nearly fifty civil lawsuits against him by alleged rape victims. Okay, 591 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: it's the opposite than what you're saying. Now, Now hold 592 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: on a moment, let me understand this. 593 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: Nobody needs to. 594 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 2: Dress up in disguise to spy on Seawan comes he's 595 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 2: in jail. The phone call are monitored. Everybody knows that. 596 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 2: That's why when an inmate calls me on the phone, 597 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: which they do to give me information, it's a collect 598 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: call and you hear a recording saying this call is 599 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: from the MDC. It's being recorded. Hello, So nobody is 600 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 2: tapping the phones. They're openly being monitored. And as far 601 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 2: as spying into his jail cell, that's why there aren't walls. 602 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: Isn't that true, doctor Hendrix? So you can look in 603 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: there whenever you feel like it to see what did 604 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: he's up to. 605 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: Nobody's spying on him. It's jail, doctor Hendrix, right, And. 606 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 7: You know there's a thing of what we call sound 607 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 7: correctional judgment. 608 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 15: I mean, obviously you wouldn't wake up an a fender 609 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 15: in the middle of the night to go search us. 610 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 7: Now, unless there was a specific reason to do so. 611 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 15: And like you said, all the calls are monitored, and 612 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 15: when he's actually on the phone with his attorneys, he's 613 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 15: not on in a inmate phone. He's on a phone 614 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 15: a counselor or a case manager or another staff member's office, 615 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 15: and the staff are not an earshot of the conversation. 616 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 15: And he is able to have that conversation with his 617 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 15: attorneys without staff or others monitoring a legal what we 618 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 15: call a legal call between him and his attorneys that 619 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 15: are assisting him in his case. He has no rights 620 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 15: in terms of privacy. I mean staff can actually come and. 621 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 7: Search him physically. 622 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 15: They can look through his materials as long as it's 623 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 15: not legal materials. They can go and look through those 624 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 15: that information at any time, of course, using sound correctional 625 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 15: judgment to make sure that they're running a safe and 626 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 15: orderly institution. Again, I think this is just noise on 627 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 15: his part because allegedly he's done so many people wrong. 628 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 15: I don't think he has many allies, and he's just 629 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 15: trying to figure out how he's going to get out 630 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 15: of this, making up stories in my opinion, to try 631 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 15: to get some sort of public sympathy ahead of the 632 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 15: trial that's coming up in May. 633 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 2: Doctor Hendricks, I think you're right. I think he is 634 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 2: being spied on. But it's not a big secret. He's 635 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: in jail and there is no right to privacy. When 636 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 2: you are in jail, your phone calls are monitored. And 637 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: again that's why there aren't walls around you, so the 638 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 2: wardens can look in and see what you're doing. 639 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: So, you know what, Diddy, suck it up, man. 640 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: Now here's a suggestion as to how you don't get 641 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: Fed's spying on you. You don't have a female drug 642 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 2: mule in your seven thousand dollars a night hotels suite 643 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 2: the night you're arrested. 644 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 3: Listen on the night of once revered rap mogul Sean 645 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 3: Diddy Comb's arrest, authority's reportedly discovered a woman waiting for 646 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 3: Combs in his seven thousand dollars a night New York 647 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 3: hotel suite. She was found carrying multiple bags of a 648 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 3: pink powdered drug commonly known to contain two c B 649 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 3: keatemine in ecstasy, and admitted she intended to supply the 650 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 3: drugs to Combs. Many are calling. 651 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 12: For the release of the didty list, or the names 652 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 12: of those with known connections to his racketeering and sex 653 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 12: trafficking plots. The last set of similar documents from the 654 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 12: Jeffrey Epstein trial were released in January last year. Nearly 655 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty celebrities, politicians, and even royals were 656 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 12: named in the four thousand, five hundred and fifty three 657 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 12: pages of documents made public. 658 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 2: How has Sean Combs insinuated himself in the same sentence 659 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 2: with doctor Martin Luther King Junior, John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy? 660 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 2: How has this happened? Sidney Sumner? Are there serious demands 661 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 2: that the Diddy list be released along with JFK files 662 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: the assassination Nancy? 663 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 4: There absolutely are. Those requests have been going on for 664 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 4: months now, and social media has come up with their 665 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 4: own list of people they think are involved. 666 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 2: As a new documentary is dropping, I don't expect the 667 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 2: federal prosecutors to be lounging watching discovery, but maybe they 668 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 2: should because these documentaries that we have seen dropped could 669 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 2: reveal new potential witnesses, and the FAS have made no 670 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: secret of it. This case isn't over and they plan 671 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 2: to add more charges. Take a look at the falladity. 672 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 10: This is the first time I was speaking about it. 673 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 7: That's something that I'll never forget. 674 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: Actually that from my friends at Investigation Discovery too. Veteran 675 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 2: trial lawyer Joshua Ritter joining us out of LA I 676 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 2: would subpoena this witness in a New York minute. 677 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, And if they're actually going to bring these charges, 678 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 6: they're going to have to, because that's the point you 679 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 6: made earlier. There's a far cry from what you say 680 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 6: in a studio during a documentary and what you can 681 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 6: actually testify to in court and corroborate and have backup evidence. 682 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 6: I mean, we don't handle things in a court of 683 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 6: law by having one person making a bald accusation with 684 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 6: nothing to support it and the other person having to 685 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 6: just defend themselves. 686 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 2: So they're going to have to do some state doesn't 687 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 2: have to put up corroborating evidence for any witness. 688 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,760 Speaker 1: Credibility is in the sole province of the jury. 689 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 2: Let me remind you, Joshua Ritter, you don't have to 690 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 2: have a lie detector test or a corroborating witness or 691 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 2: a video. If this witness says that happened, he can 692 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 2: testify to that. In court, the jury can determine whether 693 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 2: they want to believe him or not. I don't even 694 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. 695 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 6: I'm talking about the defense having a field day with him. 696 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 6: If he's just going to get up there and say 697 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 6: this is what happened to me with nothing to support that, 698 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 6: nothing to corroborate it, they're going to have a field 699 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 6: day with him. That's not how That's not what the 700 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 6: prosecution is willing to base their case upon. Is the credibility. 701 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 6: Credibility of one witness? You know as well as I do. 702 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 6: The US Attorney's Office is not going to come into 703 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 6: court with something as simple as one person making an 704 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 6: accusation and nothing well, guess. 705 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 2: What rhetor from what I can tell from what we've 706 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 2: seen on the witness list. 707 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot more than just one witness. We wait 708 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: as just as unfalls. Goodbye friend,