WEBVTT - Episode 362 w/ Robin Thicke 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:15.560 It is drink Chants, motherfucking podcast man. He's a legends 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.079 eary queens rapper. He's agreed that your boy in O 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.159 R E. He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What Up 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:22.319 is DJ E f N? 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.320 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players, 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:25.880 you know what I mean. 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:30.280 And the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.640 source for drunk drink chans most every day is New 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.320 Year's e. Listen, it's time for drink Champs. Drink up, 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:45.519 motherfuck mother? Would it good? Be hoping these winters should be. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.360 This is your boy in O R What up is 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:48.360 d J E f N? 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:54.240 And this drink Champs? Yeah, I will make something When 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:56.920 when when? When we started this show, we wanted we 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.800 wanted to dedicate your whole show to legends, to pie 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:02.280 up is. This man is not only a legend of 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.360 pioneer icon. He is I didn't even know he was 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:10.399 writing songs in the nineties. He is stood the test 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.120 of time, been out here and I being honest with you, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.320 I mean I have to see the process of you know, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.760 of of googling the artists, and I'll tell you this 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.800 is probably the funnest Google I've ever had been a 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.640 part of, Like I gotta ask because it's so much crazy. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.160 When you google him, it's like some of this shit 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.480 can't be true, Like some of this can't be because 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.800 it's so a luxurious. So the man is literally born 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:38.640 into worrianty. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.800 Literally this is and and. 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.280 It's a frame that I just found out was called 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.520 blue Eyes so Ould. I did not know what that is. 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:50.600 I did not know what it is. But we don't 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.720 learn today. So in case you don't know, didn't know, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:54.600 who are we talking about? The one only? 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.560 Why? 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.400 That's Interdusty Now I got a access all top, Yes, sir, 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:08.480 Wayne Gretsky. Baby, Well, my dad, you know, my dad 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:10.760 was a devout Conde. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.480 You know, he was the American Canadian dad. So he 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.120 came up with David Foster, the great producer songwriter and 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.960 Wayne Gresky. Those were his two homies. So I was 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.640 lucky enough. I was lucky enough. When I was young, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.799 David Foster would I'd get to visit my dad would 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.239 take me to the studio because my dad knew I 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:28.920 wanted to be a singer. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.280 When I was seven years old. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:31.880 He would take me to the studio to visit David 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.760 Foster when he was working on the Natalie Cole Unforgettable album, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:37.960 when he was working on I Will Always Love You 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.519 the Great. One of my favorite stories is I come 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.960 home from school one day and David Foster is sitting 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.800 at the piano with Kevin Costner and this tall, beautiful 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.160 black woman right and they are working out how to 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.440 do I Will Always Love You on my dad's piano 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:56.119 in the living because David was working on another project 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.360 around the corner at a different studio and he needed 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.480 a piano in a room to practice the new this 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.840 song that Kevin Costern wanted to do for the Bodyguard. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.079 So I walked in on that, you know, just coming. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.079 Home from school. My Wayne Gretzky story is even better. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.000 He was. He just threw that out. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.920 Yeah, no, pretty wild growing up, but yeah, well, my 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.400 Wayne Gretzky story. My dad took my older brother to 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.520 Russia for a summer vacation, and Wayne was dating Janet 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.600 and needed a place to stay in La. They wanted 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.760 to hang in La, so he stayed in my dad's 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.000 bedroom for like two weeks. I'm going to Joe Tory 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.880 baseball camp every day in the valley in Los Angeles, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.200 So the phone rings about seven thirty in. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.280 The morning one morning. I answered the phone. It's Bruce McNall, 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:37.880 the owner of the Kings, and he says, can you 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.840 please wake Wayne up? And I said no, no, no, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:40.960 he's sleeping. I'm not going in there. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.160 And he said, I need you to go and wake 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.640 him up. So I go, I wake Wayne up. I 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.040 go to Joe Tory baseball camp. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:46.520 I come home. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.600 Wayne's on the podium in Edmonton saying that he's been 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.160 traded to the Kings. So I answered the phone. The 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.720 day then Wayne Gretzky was traded the Gigs. Yeah, that's 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.000 when he left camp. Should have woken him up early. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:00.400 Yeah. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.640 But my one by one cool fabulous story with him 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.480 was he took me the first time I'd ever been 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.680 in a Rolls Royce. He had a white Rolls Royce 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.120 and he convertible and he took me to McDonald's. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.520 I'll never agree being in the drive through with Wayne 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.320 driving in a convertible Rolls Royce in the valley and 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:21.120 uh yeah. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:22.880 So a lot of stories like that. Thanks to Pop. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.080 Shout out to allan thinks. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.440 Your mother was which show she was? She was on 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.760 days of our lives. She was a singer. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.240 My mom also had a hit with an R and 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.640 B singer named Carl Anderson. She had a number one 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:44.360 song in the eighties, Friends and Lovers. That's my mom 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.160 singing with Carl Anderson. So, you know, we've been trying 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:53.360 to be black for generations. I had a joke beause 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.400 my grandfather it was a jazz trumpet player. His father 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.560 was a jazz trumpet player. So my joke is, we've 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.000 been trying to be black for six generations. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:09.480 No, probably straight on different strokes. Your father wrote that 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.320 and sang it. That's my singing. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:22.720 Strokes, super dudes, that's my dad's saying. I'm saying when 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.839 I googled just that this is so amazing. But some 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.440 of this at that point, No, No, he hadn't. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.560 Actually he uh was always a writer, and he wrote 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.960 the original Wheel of Fortune theme song and my mom yeah, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:36.800 and my mom sang the facts of life. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:42.160 That's my mom singing the facts of my question. Yeah, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:43.440 I'll take some. 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.640 There was one funny story where I guess MERV. Griffin, 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.880 you know who owned Wheel of Fortune. My dad wrote 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.680 the original theme song, and after a few years, my 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.040 dad was making bank and merv Griffin's like, who's this 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.000 Canadian dude making all this money? So he rewrote his 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.080 own theme songs and so he could own it. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.560 Yeah, wow, little noise for that. Man. 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.440 I'm sitting there reading and by the way, we do this, 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.680 wee be artist. And I'm sitting there and that's my 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.120 friend over there, diego. He gets hyped for nothing and 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.480 he's already like oh. He kept reading it and we 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.840 were like it just kept going, kept going, and I 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.080 was like, it was like, so, how is how was 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:23.880 your childhood? 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.320 Like? If you you ship like, I want to call 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.240 it you a platinum spoon, not another silver spoon because 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.840 you had Wayne Kresty babysit. 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.839 Well, my dad was just the most friendly, sociable person 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:39.520 you would ever meet. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.840 He loved He was from a small mining town in 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.560 northern Canada, ten thousand people. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.600 He dreamed of Hollywood. Loved Hollywood. So, like I joke 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.080 because people are like, oh you Hollywood. I'm like, I'm 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.000 in Hollywood as a guest. I was born in the sign, 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.800 you know what I mean. But yeah, so I mean 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.920 my dad loved it. My mom is a great singer 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:00.640 and actress, and so I I just grew up in that. 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.400 But what I really loved about my father. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.840 Was his ability to make friends right and legitimate long 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.360 term friendships. That when when he passed away, the people 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.440 that showed up for him, even if it's Leo DiCaprio, 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:12.680 you know, like they just. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:13.360 Want to show together. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.120 That was Leo's first job pain And so Leo and 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.120 I've been homies ever. We were sitting in the classroom 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.560 together at fourteen years old. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.760 You know, so your homies list is it? I'm just saying, 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.400 like I was googledness. I was like I was sitting 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.200 there like some of this got to be made up. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.760 You know, sometimes you go google yourself and like people 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.960 will say shit about you, but this is crazy. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:41.160 So okay, did you know growing up you you were royanty? 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:41.720 Did you know that? 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:42.080 No? 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.880 Well, you feel you go somewhere you go. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.920 I think because I saw it so young and my 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.560 dad handled it so well with such class, right and kindness, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:52.120 you know what I mean. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.239 So I just really appreciated the way my father treated people, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.360 and I just wanted to emulate that and following his 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.520 foot what was he like his character in growing paints? 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.560 Because that's what you're just very much very much. I mean, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.120 you know he's a little more naughty. You know that. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.760 He had his run hosting all the pageants and had 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.160 a little fun with that for a while. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.679 But no, he was just he was just the most levelble. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.600 He was the kind of guy who would golf and 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.120 play tennis. Like his whole his whole week was worked 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.400 out from six a m. Till eleven pm. His whole 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.280 week was planned. He had dinners every night with friends 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.520 and somehow never. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:29.080 Paid for God, my dad go three times a week 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.760 with friends who had memberships my dad. My dad would 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.600 play tennis, you know, with people who had the cords 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.760 to the hook ups. So he found a way to 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.439 save his money, leave it to his kids. And I 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.560 look up to my idol forever. But let let's make 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.880 some mouse. That's all we could fire to be a parent. Yeah, 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.000 I'm trying to save some money for my children. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:49.240 Now. 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.800 Now I'm always I'm always like when we have guests 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:57.319 and we asked, they're drinkless. So that's that's that's my 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.920 favorite part of the whole show. So when I got 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.280 actually people's people said he drinks, do say, I say, oh. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:09.120 He hood, I support du I'm part of it. I'm 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.520 part of the Duce family. They've been obviously. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:17.080 I'm with Rock Nations, Jay Brown and jay Z family. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.840 And when I was doing this residency in Los Angeles 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.640 last year, we did about fifteen shows in LA at 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.040 this small restaurant, only like two hundred and fifty people 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.880 though people five hundred out the paget man again every week. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.120 No, this was just last year just because I wanted to. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.120 I wanted to do a real intimate show, no smoke, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.400 no lights, like right in front of people. So du 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.600 Sy sponsored all these shows for us, and we got 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.960 to have Little Wayne came out and two chains and. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.559 It has been a great run. You got Mad Records 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.520 with a Little Wayne, I got like seven records. I 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.520 was like, these niggas gott it was like a collaboration album. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.520 I'm looking that's not how how is that? 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:55.760 Like? 0:09:55.880 --> 0:10:00.480 You know, coming from R and B, you know, World 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.199 and Collide and with hip hop, yeah. 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:05.520 It's always especial. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.480 But when I'm hearing you guys together, it's like it 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.600 doesn't seem forced at all. No, like it is because 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.559 you and Waynam his friends, we were genuine fans of 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:15.000 each other. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:16.040 Are we blue? 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.439 Like when I heard go DJ. I mean, you know, 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.079 I mean he was already blown up. But when I 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:21.920 heard go DJ, I was like, this is the next 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.719 biggest artist period. I told Andre Hall and it was 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.400 like you think. So I was like, trust me, Dre, 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.760 this is the one. And so coincidentally he just reached 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.400 out to me. The first song on my debut album, 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:39.040 A Beautiful World, which is the twenty year anniversary, so 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.280 we are celebrating, and so he heard this song called 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.280 Oh Shooter on my debut album and he just hit 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.319 me up out of nowhere and was like, Yo, I 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.240 love this record. Can you send me the tracks you 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.040 mind if I do something with it? And I was like, sure, 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.679 I'll send it to you. And he didn't even take 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:53.440 any of my parts out. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.880 He just wrapped in between where I wasn't singing wow, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.360 And it ended up being on the Carter two album 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.440 You know it Amazing? How did you want from? OK? 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.600 Well, actually, let me finish a good little Wayne story. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.800 So the first time that Lil Wayne ever did the 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.559 Tonight Show and the first time I ever did The 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:08.640 Night Show, we did it together. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:09.720 The first time either. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.040 One of us ever performed on the Grammys, we performed together. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.760 So we have. We did tie my Hands, you know, 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.679 and he did the big New Orleans thing when he 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.079 did the Year of the Card to three. So him 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.439 and I have a real history together, right, Yeah, I 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.599 think it's I think it's a beautiful thing. Man. I 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.400 like an y'all together. Yeah, I got mad notes. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.599 Want I want to go back to the relationship with 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.400 Andre Herral Yes, yeah, lot there. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.079 How did you connect and what was that relationship? Well, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:35.920 he was moving to. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.040 LA to start a record label with Babyface, and they 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.640 were looking for songs for these couple of artists that 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.920 they had signed or interested in signing. So Dre had 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:47.319 there was this artist who was kind of more of 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.800 a dancer from Miami, like a more dancer first sing 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.079 or second, you know. And so Dre comes to my 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.040 house with Pete Farmer, a veteran A and R man 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.599 from Arista, and Drake comes in and I play a 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.160 couple of songs and he's like, that's cool. 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.199 But the way you sing them, He's like, I like 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.520 the way you singing these songs. You're singing. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.040 Artist, And it's like, but I like the way you 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:10.959 sing He said, you got your own, you got any 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:12.520 your own songs? Like for your own album, and and 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.000 the funniest thing was just the way the world works. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.040 I had just devoted myself to making my debut album, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.199 actually creating. I was about twenty years old, you know 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.719 when I met him, or no, a little old, like 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.600 twenty two, twenty three, and so I was just started 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.800 a beautiful world, and I had the first two songs 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.000 that was going to put on the album. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.800 I sang those two songs for him, and he didn't 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.719 want to work with the other artist anymore. He was like, 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:36.599 I'm hanging with you. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.760 We're doing this, and he he lifted me into his 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:44.120 New York City puff Daddy Naomi Campbell world. I remember 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:48.120 I had a Halloween party before my album came out. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.760 Mariah's dancing on the dance floor, Naomi's there, Seal is there, 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:57.680 Paul Thomas Anderson, the award winning director, and Ted Demi. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.800 These were These are the people just hanging out on. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.760 My balcony because of they were friends with Andrea and 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.040 Yeah and the director, and they're in the studio. They're 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.600 all sitting there listening to my album before it comes out. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.760 Naomi's in there. Mariah was in there for a while 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.079 but couldn't handle the smoke. It had to walk out. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.199 She's like, it's just smoking here. She was wearing a 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.760 wonder Woman costume with pom poms. I don't know, with 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:20.720 some kind of combination. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.760 But so this is me at twenty five years old, 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.360 before I even had an album out. That's what. That's 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.360 what with Andrea herro was like. And because I also 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.960 read somewhere that you wrote for Brandy. 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.839 My first a cut that I ever had published was 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.680 Brandy was fourteen and I was sixteen, and I wrote 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:42.760 and I wrote a song for her on her debut album. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.520 But how do they start knowing that you know, you 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:47.600 know how to write McKnight. 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.559 Actually what happened? I did another great story. They used 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:55.760 to call me bang the Light Mark Barby cutt you. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.920 But you notice every line he said, this is a 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.000 bar okay, Brian Knight, So yeah, I got I call 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.520 him Brian mcwhiteway. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.920 So I got another one. So I was in a 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:07.839 singing group. We were called as One. It was me 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.040 and three black guys, and one of the black guys 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.720 his godfather was Algio. So I go to my father 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.679 at thirteen years old, and I go, Dad, we need 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.080 a thousand dollars to cut a demo. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.280 My dad goes, no, no, no, we're not starting that. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.640 You're too young. I'm not spending one thousand dollars on 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.120 a demo, and so we went to Algiero. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.280 Algiero put the thousand dollars down paid for my first demo. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.240 I got to sing three songs on a mic and 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.480 some kind of R and B hip hop fashion. Those 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.640 three songs got heard by Brian McKnight and oh no, no, no, no, there's. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.040 One more step. I got more bars, there's one more step. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:41.760 No no. Those records were. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.080 Heard by Tricky Stewart, who was a young seventeen year 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.720 old producer out of Chicago who had just moved to 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.480 Los Angeles with his cousin and brother to start building 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.720 their song basis. So we're in the studio working with 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.560 the Braxton sisters and Brian McKnight is in the studio 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.480 next door. So I started writing songs and cutting songs 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.240 with Tricky Stewart. I'm like fifteen, fourteen, fifteen, and Brian 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.000 here was young, yeah, leaving the leaving lead. I would 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.400 ditch school every day at around one o'clock. I have 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.360 my friends picked me up. My dad didn't know. I 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.720 got kicked out of school later that year because I 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:16.240 was going. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:17.800 To the studio every day at fourteen years old. 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.680 But Brian ended up hearing that demo and then signed 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.720 me to a record deal at Interscope Records when I 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.560 was sixteen with Jimmy Ivan. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.800 Well, when I first heard of you, I haven't asked yes, 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.200 when I first heard of you, like right here, yeah, 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.600 I smoke with you, I thought it was Pharrell. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.560 Oh but before I get to the parrel day, I 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.800 wanted to say something that you said something earlier? Did 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.560 you said Wayne Gretzky was dating Janet Jackson. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.920 No, No, Janet Janet Gretzky who became Janet. Okay, wait, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.280 and that was exerting the Janet days she went to 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:57.960 all the hockey games. That was like, that's the way 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:58.600 love goes. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.800 No, I was thinking cause I'm like, I'm thinking for 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:06.880 fans and the fans Like, wait a minute, he just said, yes, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.920 I had to make sure like keep my skills sharp. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.680 You know what I mean? That makes all makes sense? 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.640 Okay, all right, So again when I first heard of you, 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.560 I heard of you through Pharrell. Then I hit the 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.760 head is Brian McKnight stories. Yea Andre Harrell story. How 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.480 did you want Forarrell initially get together in the first place? 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.560 Well, Jimmy, I mean it was always the king of that. Ye, 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.200 Jimmy knew the name drops. It's just get better. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:32.560 Yeah. 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.640 The best story about Jimmy was Jimmy signed me. I 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.040 remember the first time I met Jimmy. I mean I 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:38.960 was in the room with John McClain. John McClain was 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.280 actually the one who signed me and who runs Michael 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.440 Jackson's counts and stuff like that. One of the great 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.600 A and rs of all time. So John McClain was 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.920 Jimmy's right hand man, and John loved my voice. He 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.960 took me to the record store and bought me Marvin 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:53.840 Gaye albums and blah blast. You need to listen to 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.560 these guys for ad libs. You should practice it. And 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.320 now thumb fifteen, sixteen years old. I remember the first 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.239 time you meet Jimmy. I'm in the officer John Mclainjimmy 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.560 walks in, he goes, John, we're going to the Laker 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.760 game to night. I got court side seats. I go, hey, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.399 I'd love to go with you guys. I want court 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.440 side seats. He goes, you can make a hit record first, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:07.879 and then. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.320 To sit on the car with me. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:15.520 It sounds so so cut to pretty much nine years later, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.400 because the records I made with Brian, they were good, 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:19.920 but they weren't great, you know, they were like a 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.720 B album and I didn't hadn't quite formulated an image yet. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.040 There really wasn't there besides a young white kid with 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.640 a good voice singing R and B music. So they said, 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.479 we'll put it out, but we're not going to really 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:31.920 spend any money on promotion. I was like, you know it, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.880 just shelf it and I'll come back with something better 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.639 later on. So literally four or five years later, I 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.639 come back with long hair Andrea Herald Babyface and a 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:42.280 whole new. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.480 Style of music. And Jimmy and I had when I 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.200 Get You Alone when I came to the meeting, and 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.760 Jimmy goes, didn't I sign you like eight years ago? 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.679 Don't already have you signed here? Like what do you mean? 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:56.200 I gotta sign you again? And that didn't whoa. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.040 So the first album was made with Andre Face was 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:02.520 more of a friend he was, but it was that 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.600 album was all onre like, you know, my musical and 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:07.200 artistic development all. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:08.640 Came from Madre and my confidence. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.040 Like I had never met anybody who also believed in me, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:13.920 maybe even more than I believed in myself, who saw 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.200 me bigger than I saw myself. 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.320 Because Andre saw the whole thing. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.040 He saw the fashion, the tequila, he saw the future 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.439 of everything for all of us, you know, and sometimes 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:24.840 we didn't even think as big as he did. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:29.800 And that was the genius of Andre. Okay, we love you, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.719 miss but yeah, but how do you get mere? How? 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.040 So then Pharrell, So after the first album, Jimmy's like, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.200 we got this super talent and but he he didn't connect, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.400 you know, we didn't find a way to sell records yet. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.240 So he says, I want you to meet with Farrell. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.520 So I go in this shoe with Pharrell. Luckily not good. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.960 Luckily I had lost without you in the meeting. So 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.000 I show up to the meeting to meet Pharrell for 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:54.800 the first time. And we had met like at parties, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.520 and he knew of my first album, so did jay Z. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.440 Like I knew all these guys and we'd hang out 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:00.560 at parties and respect. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.840 But I hadn't had a hit yet. So I go 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.000 in and I didn't I hadn't even. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.399 Recorded the vocal yet, so I sing Lost Without You 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.360 Live in Jimmy Ivan's office for Pharrell the first time 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:11.879 he hears it. 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:13.199 Obviously right. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.560 I was signed to Star Trek you know, the next day, 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.639 and ever since then, Farrell has done nothing but blessed 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:20.720 me with his genius. 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.720 Do you think having famous parents helped you among the way? 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.719 I think it helps you young because you see an 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.040 example of success, You see that it's possible, so you 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:31.360 believe it's possible for you too. 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:32.960 Do you know what I mean? It's just like anything 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:33.560 in any family. 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.800 If your dad's a good lawyer, dad's a good doctor, 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.560 your mom does you can go, well, then I can 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:37.760 do it. 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.320 Your dad can do it. I can do it, you know. 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.240 So it does breed confidence, but then you hit the 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:48.240 reality of people judging right and then so yeah, that 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.399 affected me at a younger age. Now, in hindsight, I 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.800 realized that's what you have to earn as an artist. 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:56.120 You have to earn your own individuality and your own 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:01.200 impression that you bypass or at least parallel yourself to 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:02.440 your parents accomplishments. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.320 Did you feel that anybody ever treated you as a 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.199 novelty in that moment, like, oh, I. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.879 Feel like when Andre, because Andre had respect from everybody. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:11.960 He played music for us. So when Andre first started 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:17.280 playing my music for people, there there was a people listened. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:17.159 You know. 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.200 And I remember when Rolling when he played some of 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.560 it for somebody at the Rolling Stone in one of 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.480 those popular magazines, and they were like. 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:25.399 They think you sound like Maxwell, And I was like, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.159 this is a bad thing on the back. I like, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.719 the guy just sold the four million records and he's 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.600 good sold out the forum. What's sounded a little like 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.720 Maxwell because like one of the. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.200 New rappers out is a guy named Russ right, and 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.760 Russ I see he receives a lot of slack because 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.359 they say that his father was so powerful in the 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.400 industry that they almost gave it the props to his father. 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.080 And that's just we're always trying to knock one peg 0:20:58.280 --> 0:20:59.919 out people, you know what I mean, and take. 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.400 Some away from their own accomplishments. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.600 And the truth is is that it does help to 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.520 have a leg up, it does help to have connections, 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.520 it does help to have some financial But my dad 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:08.000 didn't give me. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.680 The first grand I didn't get the first thousand dollars, 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:14.680 though it might have been the best thing you ever different, 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:15.240 you know what I mean. 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.240 And that's the thing, that's what we all like. I'm 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.520 balancing my son. My thirteen year old son has an 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.280 incredible voice. He's a natural singer, and he's way more 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:23.240 comfortable being on. 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.280 Stage than I was. Until I was thirty, I was 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:26.120 a studio rat. 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.640 I literally lived in the studio twelve hours a day 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.480 until I released the first album and then I started performing. 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.800 So I didn't become a good performer until, you know, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.159 maybe ten years later, you know. 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.240 So I think with my son, I want to balance 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:39.359 the support. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:41.480 Support, support, but you're going to have to go write 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:43.440 your own songs, go play your own guitar, and have 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:44.520 to make your own bones. 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:49.680 You know. Did you have you ever had a regular day? 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.600 I do now, and happily, Happily, I have four kids. 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.359 I have a five year old daughter Mia, a four 0:21:58.480 --> 0:21:59.959 year old daughter Lola, and a two year old son, 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:01.800 and they run my world. 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:03.199 You know. I mean, my thirteen year old goes back 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.200 and forth between my and Paul and my ex. But 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.080 my kids are everything. 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.200 And I think my dad was such a great dad, 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.159 and I adored him so much. But he was so 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.000 busy during my like ten to eighteen era, and he 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:17.680 was gone on the weekends. Earn it because he was 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.320 he was making he was everyone. He was he was everyone, 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.960 and he didn't really turned down a job. He just 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:24.119 hosted everything, you. 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.600 Know now, you said, I remember as a kid seeing 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:27.520 him post all those things. 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:30.760 You didn't even realize because I didn't know that was 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:31.439 work back then. 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.280 I just know that I was having fun. That's crazy. Yeah. No, 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.200 So you literally have to share. 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:37.800 Your father with the one I think a little bit 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:39.919 of that time that I missed. I want to make 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:41.359 sure I don't miss with my kids. 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.119 You know. But my dad, he set the whole family up. 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.800 He gave us a bar, a standard, you know, to 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:47.920 live up to. Hell. 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:50.240 Yeah, I feel like I knew him my whole life. 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:52.680 Forty five years old. I put on your dad my 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:53.080 whole life. 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:53.240 You know. 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.200 The best thing there isn't a set or a show 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:59.840 I can go on, or any group of backstage p 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:01.680 that I work with. If somebody doesn't come up and 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.439 say how much they love they've worked with my dad 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:04.520 in law, you know what I mean. 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.040 And that's that's the legacy, A great legacy. I'm gonna 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:08.600 tell you something. 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:16.120 I can no longer watch movies because of how much 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.000 I know about how film works. It like kind of 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:20.840 ruins it for me. Like I kind of like the 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:25.200 other day I re visited Seinfeld and I realized Seinfeld 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.280 didn't shooting on one episode in New York City. Whoa 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:32.160 the whole ship you think of that? Ever, the exterior, 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:33.639 even the exteriors. 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:36.680 Right was on set. 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:39.560 It was a set, but they was showing. And so 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.320 I'm watching Seinfeld. This is the show that I loved 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:44.840 back then, I still love now, but I'm watching it 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:47.399 now now that I know the difference. I feel like 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.560 it took away from everything, just the magic. Yeah, because 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:55.480 you're so much involved in entertainment. Does entertainment bore you now? 0:23:56.359 --> 0:24:01.000 No? I think that. I think I bore myself, and 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:04.280 I think I have to sometimes. 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:08.520 I think I like to live in the challenges of 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.200 life and the struggles so I can create something that 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:15.639 actually is meaningful to me. If life is too easy, 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.359 if I don't, if I just go, oh, it's all 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.600 flowers and everybody's happy, then I'm just gonna write flowers 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:21.280 and happy songs. 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:23.200 That's not who I am. I'm a soul. Man. I 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.320 have to feel the soul of my experience so I 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.520 can put that soul back into my music. 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.760 God damn it, man with the flowers that man, let's go. 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.719 Let's come on, come on, babe, God damn it. Our 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.760 show is literally about giving people they flowers and literally 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:38.840 want to give you y'all hours. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:39.040 Man. 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.680 I would say, it's like a Grammy coming from the people, right, 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:48.879 thank you. 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.440 Thank you? Know what? The older way, I heard a 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:52.800 great quote from Bob Dylan once. 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.159 He said something like, it's always nice to be honored 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:59.119 while you're still alive, right right, that's right. And the 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:03.040 older we get all these little moments of appreciation or 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:08.120 flowers or gratitude, you know, because we were so much 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.600 more grateful now for everything that we've accomplished and been 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:12.000 a part of. 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.280 During the ride, you're just going, it ain't enough. 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.840 I need another, I need more, And sure I want 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.360 more more great music, you know, and I want more 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:20.760 great friendships. 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.320 But but I try not to be so hard on 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:24.919 myself anymore, you know, good. 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:26.920 And appreciate all the people that you've actually touched on 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:27.240 the way. 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:29.000 Yeah, exactly, And that's why it's good to get out 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.159 because sometimes the artists, the older you get, you just 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.280 end up staying inside with your friends and your circle 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.480 and your family, and you don't even feel that love anymore, 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:35.840 and you. 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:37.920 Start thinking it's not out there. And then I go 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.159 out and I and I see all the smiles and 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.200 the faces and the handshakes and the people that want 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:45.480 to say I love you, And if I'm staying in 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:47.360 my house all day, I'll never get to feel that love. 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:49.800 You know, It's probably one of the deepest shit I've 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.280 ever heard just now, Like that shit makes so much 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:52.840 sense to me. 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.320 I don't know, I know you're talking to the world, 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:59.600 but that moment was talking to me. Yeah, that shit is. 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.720 You and I have both experienced similar parts of the adventure. 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:03.000 You know. 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:04.159 You know it's crazy. 0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.080 I noticed that if if I'm even you know, have 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.560 you ever woke up and you feel like you're having 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:10.080 a bad day? 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:12.240 Like you just feel it just on the moment you 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:12.639 wake up. 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.639 I literally can't go outside because if I go outside, 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:17.200 someone's gonna be like, hey, nor you gotta take a 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:18.919 picture that I'm saying I got a fucked updated. 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.520 Certain they don't give a fuck about my fucking note. 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:24.680 They're thinking about that, that music, They think that was 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:26.240 all you made me feel good. 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:32.239 So speaking of that, that's the one thing I hear 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.840 about the music is it seems like you're a feel 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.920 good person, like you want to feel good, except for 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:41.520 when you tried to get your wife back. 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.840 You was hurt. You was hurt. Yeah, well I was confused. 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:44.600 He was confused. 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:47.160 He was confused because because I knew that we weren't 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.320 supposed to be together anymore. But I had just had 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.000 a child and the last thing I wanted to do 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:55.840 was spend half of my life away from my child 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.320 the next eighteen years, only seeing him three and a 0:26:58.359 --> 0:26:59.040 half days a week. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:26:59.320 Real. 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:01.920 So there is in a single thing you wouldn't try. 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:05.840 So that album was the most jumbled and confused album 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.040 because that was the most jumbled and confused part of 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.439 my life. So I said everything I was going through. 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:11.760 So one day I wanted to get her back. The 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.720 next day I knew was over. You know, one day 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:14.960 I wanted to make it work. The next day I 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:15.560 knew there. 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:20.679 Was no chance. So that period, oh yeah, music has 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.280 always been my diary and my therapy. It's and sometime 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.480 I guess that time it didn't work. You know, it 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:26.639 didn't work, but. 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.440 It might not have workedally, but internally then. 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:30.720 And then you said it and I'm going to drop. 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.680 I'm gonna drop. And then these are the beautiful moments. 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.560 So I'm mad. I met a birthday, a big birthday party, 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.480 all these people that I haven't seen this person in 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:41.040 a long time. But his daughter, Zoe had been in 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.120 the studio with me while I was making the Paula album. 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.159 She had come to visit. Right, So Lenny Kravinz is 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:45.680 sitting there. 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.760 And he goes, yo, Zoe told me about the album 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.160 because she heard it in the studio and I listened 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:51.360 to it and I thought it was amazing. 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.600 So right there here, here's another peer of mine that 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.119 I love, and let me get it, let me get in. 0:27:58.480 --> 0:27:59.960 And he's telling me when I when. 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.480 I sold barely sold anything, and everybody told me it 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:04.040 was a big mistake, and he's saying, I thought it 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.480 was amazing, that was beautiful. I said something to the 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.160 respect of I really respected what you did on that album. 0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.600 And that's what we do as artists. We hit, we miss, 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:15.040 but we have to try and share and tell our 0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.840 story right. And my story at that time was all 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:19.240 over the place. Nah. 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.359 I mean when I was listening, I was like, okay, 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.920 I see what it was gonna happen. But you tried, 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:26.960 you tried to get it back. You made a whole No. 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:31.440 I tried to sell old idea, the idea. 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.560 Of getting her back, but I wasn't actually working on 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:34.680 getting her back at the time. 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.880 And that's why, because we were already done. You wanted 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:38.960 your family together, you want to. 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.120 I wrote the songs in real time. I wrote the 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.160 whole album in maybe two months, you know. But I 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.000 knew we weren't going to be back together, and that 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.200 was okay. You know, I heard this great quote recently 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.480 by Jay Shetty and you guys know this guy, jaj 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.720 doess a lot of inspirational stuff, and he said, people 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.520 think that growing apart is a bad thing, but you're 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.280 still growing. Just because you grew apart, does it mean 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.640 you didn't grow? And that really touched me deep because 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:05.400 I was like, you know what, that's what happened. We 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:07.800 were both her careers taking off. She's got her own 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:09.719 life from career. My career is taken off. I got 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.120 my own thing. We've got a baby. We're both changing 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.480 and growing but the problem is we grew apart, and 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:16.880 that's just something you have to respect instead of take. 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:21.440 As an L. That's not necessarily an L. Wow, you 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.440 know what I mean. Meghan Marko write your wedding stations. 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.960 And Megan Marco wrote our wedding invitations in collect, Yo, 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:31.600 what kind of fucking life. She was a colligor, she's 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.719 a calligraphy expert, and somehow when she was doing an 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:40.120 interview getting married, she said that she did our wedding invitations. 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.240 That's the kind of shit that happens in Hollywood. Yo. 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.720 She's married, she's literally worried to you, and she happened 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:49.240 to do your wedding invitations. 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.880 How the fuck is that? Man? That's Hollywood. That's why 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:56.520 I always just say this, man, it's Hollywood. Anything's possible, Wow, 0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.800 anything speaking of that? 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.320 You know, growing up in Los Angeles, and like I see, 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.280 I see how you kept saying the valley, And you notice. 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:07.920 None of us was known what you're just talking about. 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.880 Because when I say the valley in La, yes, in 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:16.200 La everyone else. I looked at my already val den. 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:16.920 I looked at a. 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:18.680 Couple of couple of my friends and they look but 0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.920 like it's it's actually it's actually one of the toughest 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:29.520 towns to be in, right, because it's almost like everyone's 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:31.840 a fucking start in California. 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.280 It's it's the person bringing you your burger. 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:39.560 Yeah, it was on Martin in nineteen eighty nine, and 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:40.840 he's just out there living. 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:44.320 It's just like it's just like that. Yeah, is that 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.840 something that you're adapt you're just used to all. 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.040 I think everything has its pluses and minuses, you know. 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.000 I think people in Hollywood, they tend to think that 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.680 they're this close to stardom, and the fact there's a 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.600 few of them are right, you know. 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.120 So I have I've seen it happen. 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:07.840 I've literally seen somebody a month earlier and then the 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:10.040 next month they're on the cover of Time magazine and 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:10.600 nobody going me. 0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.560 It's like, things like this really do happen. 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.640 And I've been lucky enough to see so many journeys 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:17.240 realize their potential. 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:19.520 So I do believe. Even when I see my kids, 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.920 I don't tell them this is not possible. Anything is possible. 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:24.480 I've seen it happen. I've made the impossible possible. 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.800 You know, how do you prepare them for the rougher side? 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.960 Of that because they're that's the percentages are against most. 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.720 Well, I don't encourage any of them to get into 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:37.600 entertainment business. I encourage them to have craft. Right to 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.400 build craft something you love to do. If you do 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.560 it long enough and you build a craft at it, 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:45.120 you will success. You will find a place. You can't 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:46.320 just want to be a star. You want to be 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.080 a star, good luck, you know what I mean. 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.440 But you want to have craft and if you earn 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.800 the hours that it takes to learn a craft. I 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.680 spent twelve hours in the studio every day by the 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:58.280 time I was from sixteen to twenty, you know what 0:31:58.280 --> 0:31:58.520 I mean. 0:31:58.560 --> 0:31:59.720 So by the time I was twenty, by the. 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:01.560 Time I was twenty two, I'd written and produced two 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.880 dozen golden platinum records. Before I'd ever released one of 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.680 my own songs. I had already had two dozen golden 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:08.360 Plantinum albums. 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.000 You know I was on Mark anton I wrote Mark 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.720 Anthony's you Gotta Look for Solid right like No No. 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.840 Then I had this lucky streak in my late teen 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:19.680 years in my early twenties where I happened to be 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:23.040 on everybody's biggest album. The song that I wrote for 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.680 Usher Confessions. The song I wrote for Christina was her 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:27.400 debut album, her biggest alum. The song I wrote for 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.200 Mark Anthony his biggest selling American album. The song I 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.080 wrote for Maya it was her Plantinum. 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.960 So I had this incredible Pink Pink's biggest album was 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.240 her first album Notes, So this was literally but and 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.560 you know, by the time I was twenty two years old, 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:42.880 I'm just amassed. 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.880 Who's helping you get those placements? Because that's difficult publishers. 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:48.080 You have publishing company. 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:49.880 Luckily, I signed a publishing deal when I was about 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.160 sixteen seventeen, and she would pitch me to all these 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.240 artists and they'd come by our studio and we'd write 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:56.800 a song for them and then. 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.680 Just get lucky to be on. I never had the hit. 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.680 I never had to hit, always had a cut on 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.400 the biggest time. Yeah, that's all you need. You're ready 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:09.920 to kick Thomas. Let's go. I'm doing you guys, might 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:15.000 if I do it quick break. As you can see, 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:20.400 I got the story you want to play in the game. 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.520 If we're gonna give you two options, I just let 0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.880 them know. She said that I was looking a little shiny, 0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:29.120 So if they can step in. You can step in 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.840 anytime you need. Yeah, come your on camera. Yeah, I 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:33.800 think she looks good. 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:41.280 If you see me looking too shiny, I can do more. Hit, 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:43.320 I'll do a little more right here, I guess some 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:49.320 napkins paper, yes, sir, all right? 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.480 No, actually I think that nothin's are good? Sure, yeah, 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.720 a little better? Thank you. I appreciate you money. All right. 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:58.640 We're gonna give you two options. You can kick one 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.880 and we don't. But if you say both or neither, 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.280 be politically correct. If you're if you give the politically 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:06.520 correct answer, we're all drink. 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:08.440 But we said we don't leave you by yourself. 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.080 But if you pick one, nobody drinks, and feel free 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:14.399 to give us a story or anything that comes to mind. 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.640 Many of these two things we tell you. Okay, you 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:17.680 want to start, you ont me just start? 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.160 You just talk, all right? Usher or Chris Brown? 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:26.479 Oh well, artistically I love both, but but I'm gonna 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.440 have to pick my man, Usher, just because we go 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.680 back twenty You got a Grammy together, say yeah, that's 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:31.080 my book. 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.200 Fair enough? Like we we go to each other's kids, 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:35.360 birthday parties and stuff. 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.839 I gotta see Breezey don't text me back. Sometimes I'll 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:41.959 be sending it in front of video. I'll be saying 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.640 we hung out recently, had a blast together, but but 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:48.279 I send them a video because my my girl and 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.239 her friends love Chris Brown. Like when it's when it's 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.600 girls night, is it starts with these joisean loyal you know? 0:34:54.640 --> 0:35:01.239 So it ready. So I'll be texting him from the 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.960 party bus on the birthday night. Give it him one 0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:07.800 of these. You know. Sometimes he hits back. So so 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:11.279 so what is it we we seen? What do you mean? Like? 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.480 Like I like no, I would just be like yo, 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.719 party Indio jams tonight. You know what I mean? 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:20.440 I like to send videos to my friends when we're 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:21.520 partying to their music. 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:23.560 But I thought you meant like you know you know 0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:29.320 when Usher answered, So that's why I'm a pareush the 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:30.680 face time in the party. 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.840 Bush Face signed with us while we were listening to 0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:34.719 Daddy's Home. 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.839 Okay, by the way, I don't want to ask this one. 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:43.080 You can do guys na kiss. Oh well, I got 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:49.640 records with both. That's another drop. Yeah, I was letting 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.759 you go. I want you to. I don't know how, Yeah, 0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:53.560 I don't know how you can pick between those drinking 0:35:53.880 --> 0:36:00.719 drinking cheers, cheers, Thanks, I love blessed, and. 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.600 Yeah, I got I got ship to do today. Yep, 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:15.760 drink tests. I'm okay, this is a good one. Marvin 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.000 Gate or Stevie Wonda, Oh. 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:19.040 Well, h. 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.920 That's that's a both that you guys are gonna We're 0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.080 gonna be drunk, because first of all, there's nothing that 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:28.640 you can't learn from either one of those catalogs and 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.400 and and artists and Hartley what I love that. Andre 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.040 Andre Herrel always knew that those were my two favorites 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.319 because they sang about love, and that's that's my core 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.440 has always been to sing about love or to sing 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.600 about trying to make love better. 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.719 That shot, Yeah, yeah, thank you, and Marvin, thanks a 0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:52.160 lot for both being amazing by the way. We got 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.399 that just in case, you know, that's that the best. 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:55.480 I'm good. 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:57.560 I'm planning a nap after this. Yeah, yeah, I'm the 0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:02.760 best on the planet. Mother loyal, dig over there smoking 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:03.920 it down. Goddamn, it. 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:10.600 Is good. It is good. I never heard nobody. Are 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.160 you ready, Jodasy or black Street? 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.960 Oh once again, Teddy, that's Andre Herrel family. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:18.920 So Teddy, I have a record with Teddy. We did 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.239 Sex in the Morning together a Snoop with Snoop Dogg 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.960 on it. I love Teddy, but Jodas. 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:31.600 Jodasy taught me so much vocally like I worshiped Casey 0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:35.000 and Jojo and as a listener, as a listener is 0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:38.000 just the songs of production like that era I was thirty. 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.319 I think I don't think anybody influenced me more as 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:44.680 a teenager than Jodasy vocally and musically like that was 0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.120 I seen come and talk to me in a cappella 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:47.920 in my show. 0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:49.520 You know what I mean? Like great record and the 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.040 remix even better and yeah, and you know what's you 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:53.120 know what's so great about? 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:57.040 And I know you experienced this too growing up, idolizing 0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.840 these artists and then here I am, and him and 0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:01.919 I I have been texting about doing a song together. 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:04.200 I need a song like what was the last thing 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:10.640 you said me? I need a song like forgetting the artists? 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:12.520 Who's just texting you, Casey? See now this is this 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:14.120 ship is catching up to me. Now now I can't 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.680 remember my favorite No. 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:19.719 Casey and I've been texting, yeah, because you know when 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:22.879 Andre passed and just all the all of the Disciples 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.160 of Andre. You know what I mean, we all have 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.600 stayed in touch and become friends and and yes, so 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.279 Casey and I've been talking about doing a song together. 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:31.920 I can't remember the artist right now. You got to 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:36.080 be incredible. Okay, so you picked Jodysy. I definitely picked 0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:36.640 joas do now. 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:38.359 So I don't have to drink, you don't have to drive, 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:40.480 But shout out to Teddy and black streets. 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:45.000 Shout out to Teddy, Biggie or Big Al. Definitely Biggie 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:50.400 for me. Okay, little Wayne or Drake. I gotta pick Wheezy, 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:52.640 gotta pick Weezy. I should take a shot for you 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.440 for me, no one, you gotta pick. And you know 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:57.160 I mean Drasey. 0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.920 I'm literally we're in the car every week for the 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:03.920 for the last fifteen years to Drizzy. So but but yeah, 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.719 there's something about Wayne. There's something about Wayne. I feel 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:11.160 that that just has never existed and will never exist. 0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:15.880 Like it's just such an individual, lyrical, vocal perspective that 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:16.480 he brings. 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:17.920 You know, he's a cool dude too. 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.040 Yeah, your love, But your father was like the first 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.680 king of Canada, and then Drake is like the King 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:24.240 of Canada. 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:31.479 Drake is Canada. It's the King of Central Page twisted. Damn. 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:36.600 That's a good one, Okay, Brian mcmight, well keep. 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:40.439 Sweat, gotta go with McKnight because yeah, that was my Keith, 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:42.400 those records that Keith I remember I was. 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:45.040 That was what was so great about Remember I told 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:46.120 you about al Giro's god. 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:50.239 His name is Tabiso and Kane and he's become a 0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:55.279 very successful an R and publisher himself. And he was 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.480 my first Andre Herrell when I was like fourteen. Oh, 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:02.400 here's another good story. So I'm fourteen years old and 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.360 I'm hanging out with my The other guys in my 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:07.600 singing group were nineteen to twenty years old. Right, they 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.759 had a hookup at the Palladium in La So they 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.760 decided to take me to the Palladium. It's a boys 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:19.640 to men, Joe to C and I believe ABC like, 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:23.399 let's go back kind of night. Right, I'm fourteen years old. 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.520 I'm literally walking around No, no, no, that's why they 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:28.840 had the hook at the Pladium. 0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:30.040 I don't even know how I got there. 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.960 I was just with my older Hollywood like David Faustino, 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:35.520 Brian Austin Green, white boyfriends, right. 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:37.520 That's who it was. I was with the white boys. 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.120 I was with the White Boy crew. I was with 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.880 the white boy crew. I was with the white boy young. 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:46.279 TV crew, the nine O two one oh crew, and 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:48.880 so Brian also getting them. They loved hip hop, right, 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.200 They're all these hip hop has and I was the 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:51.600 same way. 0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.400 Somehow we become friends through. 0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:56.880 My dad taking me to young Hollywood parties whatever. So 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.600 they took me. So they're all like nineteen twenty years old. 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.680 I'm fourteen, and and they end up somewhere else. I 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.960 ended up wandering through the party and I find myself 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.000 seeing these three black guys, well dressed, kind of sitting there, 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:09.120 and I don't even. 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:10.680 Know how this happens. I just kind of walk up 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:11.960 and I go, hey, what's what's your name? What you 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.759 guys doing? Do you guys? You guys sing? And they said, yeah, 0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:16.280 we sing. I don't know how I had that feeling, 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:17.880 and I said, yeah, I sing too. I sang for 0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.239 them right there in the in the palladium at the 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:22.400 table on the spot. Made friends. 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.560 We ended up starting a singing group together, and that 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:28.120 ended up in this guy to be so ended up 0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:32.000 teaching me about the culture of black music, and about 0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.160 A and R and about how to get a record deal. 0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.640 So when I he took me to Warner Brothers Records, 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:38.640 in the first two songs, I sang to get a 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:43.280 record deal, where Jodases got a love Wow and commissions. 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:49.719 Running back to you had a fourteen year old whie 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:56.640 boy chose I'm about to act man like you ain't 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:00.279 never listen to the Beach Boys, you know. I think 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.080 we all like maybe I wanted to. I love black 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:06.200 music and black culture so much naturally, Michael Jordan, Eddie 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.080 Murphy like that whole era. As a wife, I. 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:11.440 Remember listening to n w A with my headphones and 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:13.920 my walkman in the kitchen and my mom doesn't know 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:15.880 I'm listening to Bitch, you know. 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.600 A Bitch is a bit like that, and I'm like, 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:20.400 oh my god, Mom, if you know what I'm listening. 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:24.000 I'm so obsessed with the whole thing, you know, And 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.600 so it's always just felt like like that was where 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:28.200 I belonged to. 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:29.600 That culture is where I belonged, you know. 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.200 I don't know, we still don't quick time with slim, 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.960 but how come like you know, there's people who are 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:43.360 obviously white that make black music and there and sometimes 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:44.600 they call them a culture volture. 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:48.719 What do you feel about that work a coat of volture? Like, 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.080 what do you think? I think that that you know, 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:57.400 if you're using something, then you're just using it. If 0:42:57.480 --> 0:43:00.480 you love something, if it's in your so if it's 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.120 in your blood, if you if you like walk it daily, 0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.040 and you treat every person that's a part of that 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:11.360 movement and culture with the same respect and dignity they deserve. 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:13.800 Like that you don't have to answer to nobody. I 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:22.400 like that. I get yeah, growing pains or different strokes. 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:35.040 I think Trey Songs of Jeremiah mm hmm, I'm gonna 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.799 go Jeremiah. I like that that that record he did 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:46.719 with fifteen Okay, you got a song trade songs too, 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.560 do I? Yeah? You got song with everybody? Yeah? Oh 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:52.680 you know it's funny. I totally forgot. I was like, 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:54.680 this is this is what happens when you, you know, 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:58.200 drink too much kill you. I remember I did. I 0:43:58.280 --> 0:43:58.960 totally forgot that. 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:03.440 I was on the Quins Jones redo of like pyt 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.840 that I did this whole vocal and t pains on it. 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.640 That was because I think what happens is you get 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:09.360 into a. 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.080 Place like where blurred lines and that that year, a 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.160 couple of years and you're just doing it, literally getting 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:18.640 calls for everything, and of course Quincy Jones calls and 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.400 wants you to drop a verse. You just do it. 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.280 Six years later totally forgot I'd ever done that record. 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:29.800 That's that's that's the beauty of the business. Okay, podcast 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:35.200 or radio. You know, I haven't gotten totally into the 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:39.640 podcast thing yet. My girl loves it. I think it's 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.600 it's my impatience, do you know what I mean? I don't. 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.520 I don't think it's for me to sit down and 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:47.960 do long form like I don't. I don't like watching series. 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.040 I like movies. I have a tough time. 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.400 I like when it when I'm into a series and 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.120 the new episode drops once a week, so there's a 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:57.799 separation and anticipation and I only watch for an hour 0:44:58.120 --> 0:44:58.520 or plus. 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:01.600 But me trying to sit there and watched like ten. 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:04.480 Episodes in no way, man, No, I gotta go write, 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:07.800 I gotta go do something. 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.759 Radio well, I mean yeah, I mean I'm as school. 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:17.480 I'm thinking radio. Okay, I am, And you know Beyonce, 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:29.200 Oh both ain't no answer to that exactly forever Missy 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.399 or Eve Oh, I gotta pick Missy just I mean Eve, 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:34.040 I I did a record with Eve. I think too, 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:39.120 and but I love Uh. I think Missy was. 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:44.200 Just one of the most game changing presence. I mean, 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.200 and her ability to wrap and sing and write and 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.320 murder for other other artists. 0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:50.400 I mean, yeah, Missy's and. 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:54.120 Similar entrance because she started writing. Yeah, and the connection 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:55.719 there's a lot of connection's. 0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.320 Just I mean, wow, if when you go back on 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.960 her catalog, Virginia not She's Timberland, but con and the 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.120 songs she wrote for s w V and I mean 0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.239 like peace, Bobby Brown or Johnny Gill. 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:10.759 I gotta go Bobby Brown. I love, I love all 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:15.040 that and I sang my my my, like repeatedly. It 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:17.120 was huge Johnny. I'm a huge Johnny gil fan. 0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:20.239 But my progate the Boby Brown, the dope be cruel, 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:22.399 the humping on the ground, the tender Ronnie like when 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:24.719 I was a fourteen, I'm talking. 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.520 And you know, and and we did the Real Husbands 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:36.040 of Hollywood together, so we're family on that talk about it. 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.040 I just think Bobby Brown. When Bobby Brown hit and 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.759 he was rapping and singing and dance like that was 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.440 That was and the run going back to you, This 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.120 is gonna be here on Friday. That was Chris. That 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:52.239 was the show I got to I don't want to. Oh, 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.600 I get a lost you know who? 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.200 The reason why I know that Fat Joe hit me 0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:59.160 He's gonna be here Friday, and I think he's coming 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.080 just to go to the He's a big like that 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:07.319 fan of like because isn't it tour's Yeah? 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:13.160 Who else? And that's the wave of entertainment is that 0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:13.680 you go through. 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:15.279 Your hot phase and then all of a sudden it's 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.279 just hot and everyone wants to see it and it's 0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:21.960 coming to test comes back and mentalities and remembering. I mean, 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:24.120 that's the beauty of music is how it connects to 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:26.560 the journey of your life and reminds you of those 0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:27.759 eras and times. 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:28.880 You know, and some of the best times your life. 0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:33.600 Music is a time machine absolutely for real or Kanye 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:37.040 got to pick for real of course, which I wouldn't. 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:40.080 I wouldn't u for Rell, you know, out of everybody 0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:43.840 that I've ever been around as an artist, married Ja recording, 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.160 Mary J. Blige vocals or recording Jay Z vocals. That's 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.200 hard to surpass. But being in the studio and watching 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:54.360 for real create has got to be one of the 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.040 most magical things you can be around. The speed, the authenticity, 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:03.880 the passion, and just the cleverness that he and the lyricism, 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.600 the melody like there isn't a part of it. He 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.120 can't do all on his own. That's there's so many 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:09.960 of us. We need someone to help us with the 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:11.600 base and we need someone to help us with the lyric. 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:13.840 I mean, someone to help us with the melodies. But 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:15.120 that guy, there's nothing. 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:16.360 He can't do. Just a genius. 0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:19.239 When you use the word genius lightly, you know, use 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:20.920 it lightly on Pharrell, he's a genius. 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:24.919 So Brandy or Monica, gotta pick Brandy. That's my girl. 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.160 We did that. We had our first song together, our 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:29.239 first cut. He's like a quick time. 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:31.640 But some of them are easy if they're if they're 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:34.560 so connected, you know what I mean, Because I'm not 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:35.839 picking music over music. 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:46.520 I'm picking connections music Mariah or Janet. Janet gotta pickure 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:47.560 now Mariah vocally. 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.040 When she came out with Visions of Love, I remember 0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:52.680 I was proud and this is when I before my 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:53.360 voice changed. 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.680 I could hit all the octaves, I could hit the 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:57.560 fifth octave. Mariah high notes. 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:00.960 Yeah, but for puberty, eleven year old right when Mariah 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:04.400 hit was Business of Love is eighty nine, you know, 0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.239 so maybe I'm twelve, so it's right before, so I'm 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.239 still the last year I could hit that high note. 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:12.200 But I remember I learned every single riff of Maria's 0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:16.439 and I didn't even realize most of my cons most 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:24.920 of my most of my studying of riffs and runs 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:29.320 came from Take six. I listened to the Take six albums, 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.239 and if you learn how to sing like Take six, 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:33.320 you can pretty much do anything. 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:35.279 So that's where I learned most of my riffs. 0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.360 But Mariah when she came out, I didn't even realize 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.880 until I would listen back to my records, like the 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:44.600 earlier records I made, how many Mariah riffs I was running, 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:45.120 you know what I mean? 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:49.960 How much he influenced me vocally. So justin Biebo or 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:54.719 justin Timberlake, that's a tough one. Take a shot. 0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.759 The people closet the world, they want you to not pick. 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:04.600 I'm just telling you they don't want white car. 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:14.759 They don't want that no white on white Cry. But 0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.640 I made that one up that I was like. I 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:20.920 was like, let's go. That's good. I know, you know, 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:23.560 because I want to be respectful. I'm going through I'm 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:28.839 going to Hi Buster eminem Oh. I got to pick 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:29.359 Bus the Bus. 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:32.480 We got a few records together and once again, remember 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.960 remember when they had this thing that. 0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.879 You could order videos back in the box Man marked 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.239 the box the box. I remember when my dad first 0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:42.879 got the first of the box bill. But you came 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:45.520 home and I had ordered three hundred dollars worth of videos. 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:48.680 My dad was like, no more than box. 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.840 Most of the I remember I watched the Leaders of 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:58.279 the New School at least twenty times. I thought that video, 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:01.680 that first video of Bus a UH and Leaders of 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.560 the New School was incredible. And then of course the 0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:08.279 scenario and the whole tribe connections and and and so 0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:13.560 when you and then you get to Uh, the different 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:15.759 vocal stylings that he's done, you know what I mean, 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:18.200 how he can change his voice up so much, and 0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:20.440 lyrical styles. I really think that he's one of the 0:51:20.520 --> 0:51:22.640 most influential we've ever had. 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.600 Bust give you Yeah, it hurts. 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:29.200 Shout out to Bus and Bus shout out the bus 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.440 the first one that called me. Bussell was one of 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.280 the first people that called me when I got divorced. 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:37.600 When I got separated, when it was public news, he 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.120 called me. I remember I was at the airport. He 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:40.879 called me and just let me know he was there 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.399 for me and if I needed anything or needed someone 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:44.120 to talk to, that he. 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.000 Had been through these things and then he would be 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:47.000 there for me. Shout out to bus. 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:51.120 YEA, I mean, such a great dude, like Bussell is 0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:53.839 my my friend that I called for motivation, like when 0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:55.560 it's time to Like if I could call bus and 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.720 be like, yo, man, it ain't right, He's not. He'd 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:04.200 be like, you mean, he'll give you that motivation that 0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.000 you need. I'm like, I just needed that. 0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:08.880 I quean back. He would be like, he ain't let 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:10.400 you have a bad day. He ain't letting you have 0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:10.960 a bad day. 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.400 I'm just He's a great one of my He reminds 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.480 me of one of my favorite lines from the Godfather 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:17.520 with Brando is you can act like. 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:21.000 I'm mad, you know what I mean, Like like I'm 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.279 there for you. I'll hold you and we could have 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:26.000 a we can hug it out. But come on, smack 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:29.600 you around, Let's get the work done. You know this one. 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:32.800 I'm gonna be honest, I don't know what's really this 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:33.480 is going go. 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:40.719 Tupac or Jay z Oh Jay for me, I mean 0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.880 Tupac of course, that there's no way to deny anything 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:50.080 that he gave us, but Jay has because we've gotten 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:51.759 longer and more from Jay. 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:55.839 Also, we continue right now to be inspired by. 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.120 Jay every week, every month, the things he does, the 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.480 way he handles some different ways, right, I mean, there's 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:04.640 so much to be inspired by still to this moment, 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.000 as a husband, as a father, as a businessman, as 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:09.400 a as an artist, you know, as a genius. So 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.359 he's actually one of my favorite people in the world, wow, 0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:15.839 you know, and one of the one of the few 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:19.320 people that that when my father passed that I've continued 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.880 to just kind of once in a while check in 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:23.680 with and ask for advice and when I need a 0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:25.400 when I need a grown man theory. 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.680 He's a beautiful person. Digital our analog. 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:34.120 I'm liking. I'm liking digital now. I think that there's 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:39.040 more to uh, there's more to play with on the 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:41.360 canvas with digital, right, you know, I'm starting to get it. 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:42.200 I was I was an. 0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.720 Analog ahead until recently, and now I'm starting to realize 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:49.120 that the way that Travis Scott, you know, bends those 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:51.960 notes and bends those basses and tweaks that the the 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:53.080 the tuning. 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.600 I've always been a straight ahead singing. He's singing tune, 0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:58.560 you're playing tune. You know, you know you could have. 0:53:58.680 --> 0:53:59.719 I like the imperfections. 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:01.839 That's what I use live music mostly, and that's why 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:04.959 I don't auto tune myself, because I like the imperfections 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.279 of music. But I do think that the originality of 0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.520 what people are doing now with the sonics is pretty 0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:11.279 pretty I. 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:17.319 Always like analog because to me, music sounded better when 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:19.719 we had to be in a room together, like right now, 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:21.839 if we want to do a record together and I'm 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:25.120 in du Ludolph, Germany and you could be in you 0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:29.200 could be in Austria or Australia and we can do 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:32.440 it and we'll be on the same level. But when 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:34.520 you're in that room, like like you said, with for 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.399 a role, like when you're in that room seeing him 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:38.880 make that magic, it makes you want to bring out 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:41.160 the best on yourself. So that's the reason why I 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.279 like the analog. You like the culture of anaalogic the 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:44.760 culture of but you're. 0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:47.319 Right that the culture of analog is really just the culture. 0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:50.759 Of doing it together in the same space. 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:54.719 It inspired collaboration, Like collaboration, it expires different phrasing, It 0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:57.560 inspires like somebody like I know that some of those 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.120 like the Drake and twenty one records, and you know, 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.160 they have to be made in the same room because 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:03.920 the way they're bouncing off each other and the way 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:07.840 they're complimenting each other's verses and styles and they're changing up. 0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:10.120 We're not just doing sixteen and sixteen and sixteen whatever 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.600 it is. I think it really lends itself to a 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:16.560 completely different and now it used to be we'd have 0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:18.920 the same lupe run for three minutes. All that it 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:21.359 is over everybody's changing beats in the middle of the song, 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:23.640 blah blah blah. You know so so, and this is great. 0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:26.600 This is great for music, and it makes it more 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:28.960 fun for the DJs and everything. So I think we 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.160 continue to love the nostalgia of the old school, but 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:34.960 we have to appreciate and embrace that. 0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:38.160 You can easily put a plug into it's just because 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.800 then you love what Bruno does. You know, then You're like, hey, Bruno, 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:42.080 you know you murdered. 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.320 You know, the analog sound and the old school and 0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:48.680 great songwriting and strings and when somebody can do that, 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:50.320 you know, you're like, well. 0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:53.440 Here here, but but not everybody can do what Bruno, 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:54.640 it can do with the analog. 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:57.680 Just so you don't wanted to correct you because you 0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:59.719 said the back and forth, so you can do back 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:00.239 and wolf. 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.759 Yes, yes, yes, like I've done it before. You're right, 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.480 I've done it before. I've never done it. 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:11.960 You know, I haven't done a livestream vocal. Uh yeah, 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.479 collaboration session. You're right, but it does happen. 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.279 I mean, like you gotta realize all the technology is 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:20.759 like available, it's available album right here. 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:22.840 But see just the way you that you said about movies. 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:26.360 How so maybe I want to envision twenty one and 0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:27.280 Drake in the studio. 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.520 I don't say it was start that I don't want. 0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:36.239 I'm saying. I'm not saying what they have done. 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.759 I'm saying I've done before where I had to go 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:43.320 back and forth with Capone and uh he also the 0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:46.800 skeleton all of like you know, him saying such and 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:48.879 such and he knowing I'm gonna say this and then. 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:50.879 And we've been on the phone too a couple of times, 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:53.000 like yo, send me a send me this, this, this, 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:54.919 the leaders far open, leaders far open. 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.480 So it's been done before. So that's what I say. 0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:59.600 But I didn't say want to. It wasn't a missed 0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:03.680 the day. I did not say that. Okay, Okay, so 0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:07.399 we ain't take no shot for that, right, No, we're good. Yeah, 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:15.560 Tory Lanez of the Weekend. The Weekend. Okay, this is 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:20.360 Canada ship right there. Yeah, Canada connected. And you know 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:22.360 what I like? I like I like that he uh 0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:25.080 it really shares his truth lyrically, do you know what 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:25.360 I mean? 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:30.000 A lot of R and B or pop uh singers 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.800 and they they try to just go for the hit 0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:34.480 a lot of the time. You know, he finds a 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:37.960 way to make hits by really truly telling his journey 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:38.560 and his stories. 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:43.200 And on the Weekend, Yeah that's right. Yeah, and he's 0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:48.360 got an amazing voice. Thriller off the wall. Oh that's 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:50.760 a tough one. That's about. I can't but I can't. 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:51.720 I don't want to say, but I'm. 0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:53.720 Gonna go thriller Because the age that I was at, 0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:55.240 I had to go back to Off the Wall. 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:56.880 It was my older friends at Homie. You need to 0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:58.720 go back to Off the Wall Thriller. I was seven 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:01.480 years old and the thriller Vivent. 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:05.280 It's no coincidence that thriller came out when I was seven, 0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:06.560 and at seven I decided I. 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:11.200 Wanted to be a singer. There's no coincidence. Why, Okay, 0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:16.439 you took a shot anyway, Yeah, I'm joining you. I joined. 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:28.000 He's all kind of guy I have. I have a driver, 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:32.480 so cool. Yes, I'm not driving. Thank you, Drey or Puff. 0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:38.240 You know Dre obviously as the producer as the one 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.400 of the greatest producers in the history of music, one 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:42.760 of the great But. 0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:47.240 I've spent so much time around Puff and his family 0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:49.680 because of Andre Herrel, you know what I mean. 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:53.240 And I've been a part of that that culture and 0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:55.960 the party culture. What I love about what Puff does 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.680 also is and what Andre inspired and they did together. 0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:04.640 What is celebrating all of these achievements together and continuing 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:05.840 to lift each other up. 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.800 Not we're having a party and you can't come. No, 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:11.560 we're having a party and everybody's coming, right, and we're 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:14.320 all gonna be great, and we're all gonna lift up 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.280 and we're all gonna take pictures together and we're all 0:59:16.360 --> 0:59:21.320 gonna support this movement that started, you know, with guys 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:24.120 like Andre and Russell and Puff and Dr Dre. 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:33.439 Okay Al Green or Teddy Pinogram. Ah, I'm so weird 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:40.160 love with you. It's gentle. Just go gentle, sleep gentle, 0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:46.680 and I'm a Teddy p Manda, you know what I mean. 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:52.000 I'll turn the lights off. Don't get me wrong, we'll 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:55.000 do that too, but do something about it that I 0:59:55.160 --> 1:00:00.200 just I go for Okay, this one right here, it's 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:06.760 classic m J or Prince. That's that's the that's the big, 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:10.600 the big question. When the jay z right like, that's 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:18.120 the Yeah, that's the baby Jesus and the adult Jesus. Jesus, 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:18.840 that's awesome. 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.040 So with Jesus going, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Jesus, 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:27.160 no wrong answer. 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:29.000 One of the great thing is they both taught me 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:33.520 different things in different ways. Prince I learned my falsetto 1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:38.760 or I improved my falsetto by practicing. Prince that was 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:43.600 because his control of his falsetto was extraordinary and unrivaled 1:00:43.680 --> 1:00:46.120 in some ways. So when I when I can sing 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:48.600 a door and hit every note in the song. 1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:52.520 You know what I mean. I'm proud of myself and Michael. 1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:56.320 I mean what. Michael was the pioneer of all things. 1:00:57.560 --> 1:01:01.480 And Prince was ill. He literally has asked out and 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:05.440 nobody was offended and he was showing his head and 1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:10.800 he is. But whatever. I like this song, no one, 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.440 no one places, no judgment, there's no judgment. I love 1:01:13.480 --> 1:01:16.320 this record. Did you ever link with Prince I did? 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.919 I have some great Prince stories? Give us something we'd 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:26.640 love Prince stories. I'm at one. Oh every time l A, okay, no, 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:28.600 this is New York. Okay, New York. Every time I 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.200 would show up. 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:32.360 At a club and Prince was there, somebody would come 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:34.120 over to me and say, Princess here and he wants 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:36.160 you to, you know, come say hi. And so I 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:38.439 would come and say hi the first couple of times, 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:40.040 but then he would just sit there all quiet and 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:41.160 wouldn't talk, wouldn't say. 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:42.760 Now you're sitting next to him, you were just like 1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:44.160 you just kind of like say hi, And then he 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:45.760 just wants you to sit there with him, do you 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:48.520 know what I mean? Just be with me, you know, 1:01:48.760 --> 1:01:51.680 and hang and I'm like, I get that, but I'm 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:54.360 you know, I want to go get wild over here. 1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:57.040 And you on this witness stuff, you know what I mean. 1:01:57.800 --> 1:02:00.280 After he got back to the really most of yeah, 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:01.920 I mean most of I think he was. That was 1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:05.000 the last twelve to fifteen years, yeah, window stuff. 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:09.000 And so so. So one night we're at one Oak 1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:11.360 and I go to the booth on you usually I 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:11.880 with Richie. 1:02:11.960 --> 1:02:14.760 He was shout out to Richie my boy, and Prince 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:16.880 is there and he's got a lovely lady with him 1:02:16.880 --> 1:02:20.360 and another friend, and I say hi and we shake hands. 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:21.800 And then I'm sitting there and he's just just doing 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:23.560 his you know, sit still kind of thing. He's not 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:25.320 even moving his shoulders or dance. I'm like, you you 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:28.680 can dance, you as you're not even grow So I 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:31.240 tell Richard like you you'll get the mic and tell 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:33.000 the DZ to play a kiss, you know what I mean. 1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:35.960 So I'm sitting about as far away from him as 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:37.680 we are now, and the Eric comes on. 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:41.000 I just go, you don't have to be the fuck 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:43.960 and I sing note for note the whole song. 1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:47.200 So as he's sitting there, but after a few lines, 1:02:47.240 --> 1:02:50.680 he like leans over and he says then to the lady, like, 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:51.640 who's that singing? 1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:54.960 She goes, it's Robin. He's right there and he looks 1:02:55.000 --> 1:03:01.760 at me and he just goes on the next two minutes. 1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:08.920 Just make Prinson. You got a story, Michaels Prince Mo, 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:13.640 I wrote Michael sang a song of ut. Yes, I 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:15.160 wrote a song by Michael. Story is. 1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:17.800 It was the day after the Grammys. It was Madonna 1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:22.520 and Ricky Martin. Uh, you know Ricky Martin. Ricky Martin 1:03:22.640 --> 1:03:24.840 comes out on the Grammys and has this big blow up. 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:26.560 Moment, right, he does a couple of life blah blah blah. 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:31.120 So the next day, Tommy Mottola is looking for a 1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:34.480 duet for Ricky Martin and Madonna. Right, Madonna wants to 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.320 do a duet with Ricky Martin and Tommy needs the song. 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:42.560 He calls Walter Afanasif, who was the producer of the 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:46.680 Titanic Celindi on song and all of Mariah's first three albums. 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:48.960 So Walter. 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:53.720 And I had started a song a few months earlier, 1:03:54.560 --> 1:03:56.480 and so he calls me up and said, I got 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:56.960 I got. 1:03:56.960 --> 1:03:59.040 A call from Tommy Mottola. He's looking for a song 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:01.320 from Madonna and Ricky Martin, and I think that song 1:04:01.400 --> 1:04:03.320 we started would be perfect for him. I'm in LA 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:06.120 because it was the day after the Grammys. Can I 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:08.400 come up to your studio? And we finished that song right. 1:04:08.800 --> 1:04:11.680 So, the day after the Grammys, Walter Finasif comes to 1:04:11.760 --> 1:04:15.120 my studio, we finished the vocals on Fall Again. We 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:18.320 send it to Tommy Mattola. Tommy says the next day, 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:23.000 this is so good, I'm sending it to Michael see 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:26.640 bypass Don and Ricky Marty sends it right to Michael. 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:30.479 Michael loves it instantly wants to cut it. A couple 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:33.240 days later, Tommy Mattola flies me to New York, puts 1:04:33.320 --> 1:04:35.800 me up at the Trump Hotel to write for Sony 1:04:35.880 --> 1:04:38.200 for the next ten days while Michael's next door. I'm 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:40.440 not allowed to be in the room with Michael, but 1:04:41.200 --> 1:04:44.320 I'm next door writing for other artists. And that's when 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:47.160 I wrote with Mark Anthony. So I'm writing with Mark 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:49.120 Anthony while Michael's in the studio next door. 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:52.800 Singing my song and I think I'm twenty one, you know, 1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:53.480 something like that. 1:04:55.200 --> 1:05:00.320 And so Michael ended up releasing it on his History album, 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:04.600 and he kept all my vocals in the chorus. So 1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.120 it's him singing the verses and him ad libbing, and 1:05:07.160 --> 1:05:08.880 it's all my voice on the chorus. 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:17.000 So I do it. That's crazy. I'll wrap up. 1:05:17.040 --> 1:05:20.320 I'll wrap up my Michael Jackson's story with I was 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:22.200 supposed to I had I had released when I Get 1:05:22.240 --> 1:05:24.560 You Alone, and he was a big fan of that song. 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:28.640 Because I was doing Michael and so I was supposed 1:05:28.640 --> 1:05:30.480 to open up for him at the O two Arena 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:32.400 on July twelfth and fourteenth. 1:05:32.560 --> 1:05:34.640 My whole family was going to fly out from Canada 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:36.880 and my dad was coming. They were about to book 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:40.080 the tickets and Michael passed away. Yeah, so. 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:51.520 Stories stories, Uh, Otis reading or Sam Cook, I'm gonna 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:52.400 go Otis. 1:05:53.600 --> 1:05:56.880 Just because he had I had some kind of connection 1:05:57.120 --> 1:06:01.040 with his vocals and that I can explain. I think 1:06:01.160 --> 1:06:05.000 Otis might be in the end my very favorite singer. Hmmm, 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:09.040 because there's the pain turned into. 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:16.320 Any particular, the open the Door, He's got a lot, Yeah, 1:06:16.400 --> 1:06:18.400 he just the way he sings is just there's something 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:18.800 to own it. 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:22.120 Oh no, the classic what's the tri Little Tenderness? If 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:24.919 you if you there's some footage of him performing Try 1:06:25.000 --> 1:06:30.920 Little Tenderness in the UK as this big, strong, powerful 1:06:31.000 --> 1:06:33.520 black man in the sixties for all these white kids, 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:36.400 and it is it's very special to watch and the 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:39.320 way he sings and the I mean, you feel something 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:43.080 like the world has to change after a person like 1:06:43.200 --> 1:06:47.200 this sings like this in front of these people, the 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:51.760 world has to change. Erica bad or Mary J. Blas, 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:55.000 I gotta go marry Jay love Erica. But Mary Jay 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:57.720 and I have through the Andre family and you know, 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:01.880 and and because also so she came first, and you know, 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:04.760 when you're younger, things can hit you a little harder, 1:07:04.840 --> 1:07:06.160 do you know what I mean? The more you see 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:09.360 and the more the more it all relates to who 1:07:09.400 --> 1:07:10.200 you first fell for. 1:07:10.400 --> 1:07:12.280 Mary J. Blige and Joe to see and guy and 1:07:12.320 --> 1:07:13.520 that that was that was the. 1:07:13.600 --> 1:07:17.439 Foundation of And that's when Andre Herrel came to my house. 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:20.160 I was like, what he's Uptown Records all the thing 1:07:20.240 --> 1:07:20.520 for him? 1:07:21.520 --> 1:07:23.560 Yeah, well he did with Uptown was incredible and then 1:07:23.640 --> 1:07:25.800 eventually with Puff and bad Boy, with with that. 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:30.360 All created was crazy. Yeah. The next one, uh D'Angelo, 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:32.400 Blao D'Angelo. 1:07:32.440 --> 1:07:35.040 I used to play D'Angelo albums first. When people would 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:38.320 walk into my after parties. It would always start with D'Angelo. 1:07:43.200 --> 1:07:44.000 That was the warm upe. 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:49.080 You start with D'Angelo, now addition or Jackson five, you know, uh, 1:07:50.320 --> 1:07:54.280 for me generationally, it would be New Addition obviously, uh 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:58.520 or obviously in my opinion catalog wise, you know, the 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:01.680 Jackson five catalog is is so deep. 1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:04.720 But I grew up in the New Edition era, and 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:06.960 when they split, I had all the album. I had 1:08:07.000 --> 1:08:09.440 the Johnny gil album. I had their album Treasure Red album. 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:10.720 I had the B v D album, I had the 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:14.040 you know, so there was there was the first back 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:18.800 then definitely like we said, and then everything broke off 1:08:18.840 --> 1:08:21.040 and the remixes and the out in the style to 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:23.439 the outfits the b he had. I had the backwards 1:08:23.640 --> 1:08:26.720 overalls with the writing. Absolutely that run that they've had. 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:31.840 Absolutely no, That's what I'm saying even till now, but incredible. 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:35.439 TLCOR SWV. 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:43.360 Vocally SWV. Yeah, I would have. 1:08:43.479 --> 1:08:45.840 For me, I would have because I'm a singer, you know, 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:48.720 I'm a sang sanger. So when I think of Week 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:50.920 in the Knees, like the people that I literally would 1:08:51.000 --> 1:08:53.840 sing and practice their vocals over and over again. TLC 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:56.560 was more like these They're just the coolest, funnest and 1:08:56.680 --> 1:08:59.080 you jam along and they make they have the most 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:02.960 incredible personnel these but the vocals of wu V really 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:03.680 got to me. 1:09:04.000 --> 1:09:14.320 Okay, loyalty or respect, man, that's a I gotta go both. 1:09:15.120 --> 1:09:20.519 That's the one time. God I got it for that one. 1:09:24.320 --> 1:09:26.720 You can't really have one without the other. Make goo 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:28.479 for that. But I like that you can't have one 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:32.160 without the other because you got to think about it, 1:09:32.400 --> 1:09:36.799 have one without what's that? Love and marriage? 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:41.599 Marriage, loyalty and respect. I always start out the Black 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:45.880 album anyway is there? But we played this game all 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:48.080 the time, and the thing is, that's the one time 1:09:48.160 --> 1:09:50.599 that we're not trying to be tricky. Is I think 1:09:50.680 --> 1:09:52.360 loyalty and respect is just hand in hand. 1:09:52.600 --> 1:09:53.160 I think you. 1:09:53.400 --> 1:09:55.799 I think you have to have both in order to exist. 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:59.400 But yeah, so let's get now that we got that 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:00.840 out the way, let's get to. 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:07.560 Blurred line. Oh God, to take a smoke break, you 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:11.280 know what? Smoking cigarette in here? Man? I still want 1:10:11.280 --> 1:10:12.880 to do it on camera? Yeah, I just didn't want 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:14.120 to do it. You don't want to do it on camera? 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:17.760 Cool a little sugar yet, Okay, I'll do I'll do it. 1:10:17.800 --> 1:10:19.679 I don't want to get on camp all right, cool, cool, cool. 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:24.760 I respect that. I don't want to let's go straight 1:10:24.960 --> 1:10:33.760 right into it. Sure got it, boy. Yeah, So I 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:34.719 know we left off. 1:10:36.880 --> 1:10:38.360 Very lines, but I want to get back to that 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:43.040 because one of the things is, uh, the Malleable fires. 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:46.280 Yeah, how did that happen? 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:51.200 Well, it had started over on the other side of 1:10:51.240 --> 1:10:53.439 the hill in the valley, stamping in the valley, and 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:57.200 it was b lining straight for our neighborhood during the night. 1:10:57.320 --> 1:11:01.920 So wife he was checking, you know, the updates and everything. 1:11:01.960 --> 1:11:05.160 And then around six thirty am, I got up to 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:06.880 get ready to take my son to school. 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:10.880 I had a nine month old daughter and wife he 1:11:11.000 --> 1:11:14.680 was pregnant. So the fumes and the smoke that were 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:16.720 coming were so bad that I was like, you know, 1:11:16.800 --> 1:11:18.599 we got to get out of here. I don't want 1:11:18.600 --> 1:11:20.240 any of us breathing this stuff, so let's just get 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:22.240 out of here. So we started packing up. 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:24.400 And then around eight am, right when we were about 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:27.800 to leave, it was a mandatory evacuation for the whole city, 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:29.439 so we knew something was wrong. 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:34.200 So I went and grabbed my music. First. 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:36.080 I went and got the computer that you know, got 1:11:36.160 --> 1:11:38.920 that all the music, and I got my guitars. I 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:41.479 got my dad's photo albums, loaded up everything I could 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:45.200 into the car. I got a few suits, you know 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:47.880 what I mean. And my son packed a bag. I 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:49.320 was like, pack up. He just put like a pair 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:51.200 of underwear in a book and I was like, dude, 1:11:51.240 --> 1:11:52.280 you better grab some cit. 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:55.320 But yeah, so we got in the. 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:58.719 Car, headed north to Santa Barbara and then went around 1:11:58.760 --> 1:12:02.880 to her family who's down in Huntington Beach and spend 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:04.360 the night with them. And when we woke up the 1:12:04.400 --> 1:12:07.679 next morning, if somebody sent a neighbor sent us pictures 1:12:07.800 --> 1:12:10.920 of you know, are just rubble. The whole thing brubble, Yeah, 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:13.320 just into rubble. The funny thing was I have a carport. 1:12:13.920 --> 1:12:16.400 The carport wasn't touched. I could have taken all the furniture. 1:12:16.479 --> 1:12:19.120 The only and the thing that really bugged was my 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.439 piano that I wrote all of those songs on. 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:26.200 Yeah, that one hurs. But thanks shout out to Yamahab 1:12:26.320 --> 1:12:36.920 sending me a new one because the new one's supposed 1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:37.439 to be on the way. 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:41.559 That's that's what's crazy about California is you guys actually 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:46.080 have earthquakes. You guys have fires, Like like like why 1:12:46.160 --> 1:12:48.640 is California, this beautiful place that you still stay at. 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:51.960 I think it's just seventy degrees every day. It's just 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:54.000 like I remember Jimmy, I mean told me that. He 1:12:54.080 --> 1:12:54.760 was like, I moved out to. 1:12:54.800 --> 1:12:57.960 Califoried but worked in, you know, New York my whole life. 1:12:58.000 --> 1:12:59.640 Then we moved out to California, and I was like, 1:12:59.880 --> 1:13:00.760 I'm never going back. 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:02.880 And I think some people have that. 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:05.439 You know, some people are die hard New Yorkers and 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:08.080 some people are like, man, you know, the the New 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:11.320 York struggle is hard to you know, and sometimes you 1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:12.600 looking for a little That's why a lot of New 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:15.040 Yorkers like to go to Florida too, you know. But 1:13:15.280 --> 1:13:18.320 but there's nothing nothing makes you stronger than New York, 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:18.920 you know what I mean. 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:23.479 And like my New York friends, I wouldn't be like 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:25.680 I wouldn't have been able to handle Like when I 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:29.160 need when I need shoulders, I call my New York friends, 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:30.519 you know what I mean, and they know how to 1:13:30.720 --> 1:13:33.760 how to you know, give you that that pep talk 1:13:33.840 --> 1:13:35.800 and that let's get back to a game, you know 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:39.680 what I mean. And sometimes I think that's uh, Californians 1:13:40.960 --> 1:13:46.360 were just wallowing that Sunshownny again. But you learn a 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:48.360 lot from New York from New Yorkers. 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:51.920 But Vallible was one of my favorite places on earth. 1:13:52.080 --> 1:13:53.519 It's a retirement spot. 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:55.439 And I didn't realize that that that when I when 1:13:55.479 --> 1:13:57.320 I moved out there was because I had a son 1:13:57.439 --> 1:14:01.439 and this new lovely lady shout out aper love and uh, 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:03.439 and I wanted to have a big family, you know, 1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:06.360 And so we had three kids and and it's beautiful 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:09.439 and it's gorgeous, but also I really missed the the 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:11.439 I used to live in the Hollywood Hills and I 1:14:11.560 --> 1:14:13.800 have Andre stoped by every couple of days and we'd 1:14:13.800 --> 1:14:16.360 smoke one and I'd pick up on some culture. He'd 1:14:16.360 --> 1:14:19.040 bring some friends by, get some new information, and that 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:21.439 really inspires the music, you know what I mean. And 1:14:21.560 --> 1:14:23.839 so so once you get out into your little bubble 1:14:23.840 --> 1:14:26.320 and it's just me having to create out of thin 1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:28.640 air all the time, and I don't have all this 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:33.719 invasion and flow, you know, it's a little more challenging sometimes, 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:36.760 you know. So I miss I missed the energy and 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:38.479 the flow might be moving to Miami. 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:45.960 Let me let me actually, because all right really happened 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:47.000 in Miami was. 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:53.200 People had hurricane insurance, yeah, but not flood insurance, which 1:14:53.320 --> 1:14:55.840 was like like I remember, like me when I first 1:14:55.960 --> 1:14:57.880 moved out here, and it was some type of storm 1:14:58.080 --> 1:15:00.760 or whatever, right, I forget one of it is, but. 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:04.880 It was it was sandy. It was Sandy, Sandy New York. 1:15:04.920 --> 1:15:06.400 I thought that was no that went all the way 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:08.800 and Katrina. 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:13.400 My studio. Yeah, so my studios people had hurricane assurance. 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:15.720 That's how people got over. I mean, it wasn't getting over. 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:20.679 They've said, well, it wasn't the hurricane that caused damage 1:15:20.680 --> 1:15:23.680 to it. It was the actual flooding, which was the 1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:25.280 whole difference. It's mandatory now though. 1:15:26.479 --> 1:15:26.679 Yeah. 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:32.080 Yeah, So when your situation happened, did you have insurance 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:32.320 for that? 1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:33.679 I got lucky. Yeah. 1:15:33.760 --> 1:15:38.320 I actually about a month before, I was going through 1:15:38.360 --> 1:15:40.720 my bills and I called my business manager and I 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:43.320 was like, why am I paying so much for insurance? 1:15:43.439 --> 1:15:45.200 Right? And she was like, there's a lot of fires 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:47.760 out there? Thank god. 1:15:48.000 --> 1:15:54.680 Months later, Wow, thank god, I paid that bill. And 1:15:54.800 --> 1:15:57.840 you know, four years, four years later, in hindsight, I 1:15:57.920 --> 1:16:00.439 got a brand new home, you know, that I built 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:03.120 for my kids and I built for I got my 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:06.040 own little man cave outside with my fireplace and a barbecue, 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:08.920 and I got everything lined up so the kids are 1:16:09.000 --> 1:16:12.240 right there and the players right there and the treehouse 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:12.560 and all that. 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:15.400 So, you know, I think that you get through your 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:16.200 toughest times. 1:16:16.280 --> 1:16:19.200 But what was important to me, especially when that happened 1:16:19.240 --> 1:16:22.200 with my son, was just to show him how we 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:25.120 survive as a family. That's when you have to lead 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:29.720 by example and keep the laughs coming, keep the joy coming. 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:31.559 And let let them know that you're going to be okay. 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:33.960 We're going to be okay, and tough times make us strong, 1:16:34.040 --> 1:16:34.160 you know. 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:37.479 And metaphorical rebuilding your home is just showing your kids, like, look, 1:16:37.520 --> 1:16:39.600 you just it comes apart, you rebuild it, and. 1:16:39.760 --> 1:16:42.439 We have each other, Like really, let's focus on rat 1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:46.880 We're alive, we're healthy, we're together, and we have a home. 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:49.080 We have a room, our heads. Sounds like a chain 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:52.000 of events for I think house. 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:55.920 Oh yeah, I had a run, I had I got divorced, 1:16:56.240 --> 1:17:01.479 sued house, my father passed away, my manager passed away, 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:07.120 my house burned down, and then Andre passed away. I 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:11.959 lost all three of my my big brother father figures, 1:17:12.240 --> 1:17:13.519 you know, in a. 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:16.680 Couple of years now now me as you know, being 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:20.479 a fellow entertainer. I always knew that I never got 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:22.200 over my father's death, right, I never. 1:17:22.320 --> 1:17:26.960 I never did. I never, Like I buried it with music. 1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:28.799 To tell the truth, I'll be honest. 1:17:30.760 --> 1:17:32.479 I met the end of the day my father died, 1:17:32.520 --> 1:17:35.080 Chris Lidy came to see me as my manager who 1:17:35.120 --> 1:17:38.320 passed away, Chrislidiers love you, Chris, And he told me 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:40.120 straight up. He was like, Yo, it's either we can 1:17:40.840 --> 1:17:42.400 get off of this tour house. On tour, I had 1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:45.599 a number one record as my father died, right, number 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:47.800 one record, number one album in the country. Don't know 1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:50.760 what it means at this time, twenty two twenty whatever, 1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:54.639 but I remember him saying to me, like, yo, either 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:57.040 we could get his money back or we can have stayed. 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:01.200 And in high that was the right decision. 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:03.040 It was you worked through that. It was the right decision. 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:06.120 But later on in life, I could still feel that 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:07.080 I never got over. 1:18:07.320 --> 1:18:11.000 Yeah. So I mean as a person who lost my 1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:13.479 father to Obviously, my father wasn't as famous as your 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:15.120 father was, but he was your hero. But he was. 1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:17.320 He was my hero. He was he was literally my hero. 1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:19.800 I hear you talking about your father, So how is 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:22.360 that coping with this, how do you do? You will? I? 1:18:23.000 --> 1:18:27.200 I had three kids in a row. That was him 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:33.280 working for you in heaven. No, no, no, you know what, 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:36.479 I had to feel the void. I had to fill 1:18:36.640 --> 1:18:39.920 the void. And I don't know if ten kids could 1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:43.800 fill the void of my father, you know, but but 1:18:45.000 --> 1:18:49.800 they definitely have given me a purpose, given me love, 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:53.680 smiles and and made and it made me wake up 1:18:53.760 --> 1:18:55.559 every day with something to do that I love doing. 1:18:56.760 --> 1:18:59.720 How much as being a father changed the day to 1:18:59.800 --> 1:19:01.320 day business, I'm doing this. 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:04.880 Oh my gosh. Well, let's just say we don't drink 1:19:04.880 --> 1:19:10.240 tequila unless we're on drinks one. 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:18.240 But no, I think that, you know, if you're gonna 1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:20.920 get up at six thirty and be present, and I take. 1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:22.960 My kids to school every morning, I'm I'm up at 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:24.960 six thirty. I want. I like to be the first 1:19:25.040 --> 1:19:25.720 face they see. 1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:28.360 I like to give them their muffins and their pancakes, 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:31.000 and and I like to take them to school. And 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:33.120 then once I know they're at school and they're loved 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:37.280 and they're uh, they're they're feeling good, then. 1:19:36.560 --> 1:19:38.080 I can go to my job, you know what I mean. 1:19:38.640 --> 1:19:41.559 So that's that's I like to prioritize my day as 1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:44.160 my kids come first. They know the dead Dad loves 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:46.800 them and got them to their thing on time, well 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:50.400 sometimes on time, and then Dad goes to get his 1:19:50.520 --> 1:19:52.880 exercise or work on his music, blah blah, and then 1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:53.920 we finished. 1:19:53.640 --> 1:19:54.400 The day as a family. 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:54.640 You know. 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:57.280 That was that was the one thing about you. I 1:19:57.400 --> 1:20:00.479 was super impressive. Off top was we know we do 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:02.960 this a lot, and you were on time. You were 1:20:03.040 --> 1:20:03.880 three minutes early. 1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:06.519 I was like, and then I've seen you had to 1:20:06.560 --> 1:20:08.840 sit together, you had to people coming out, they start 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:12.080 filming you. I said, oh they yeah, I was very professional. 1:20:12.280 --> 1:20:15.840 I was out there like this out there thing. Watched it. 1:20:16.560 --> 1:20:21.640 You broke the blinds that could have been I don't know, 1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:23.960 but I looked and I was I was just so impressed. 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:25.800 Because that's the thing about. 1:20:27.520 --> 1:20:31.000 The business is a lot of us take ship for granted, 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:35.120 especially earlier. And I'll tell you who taught me. This 1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:39.160 is one of my idols. His name is Leo cohnbes Yeah, 1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:42.320 and I could never beat Leo Cohens to a meeting. 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:48.840 Never once could I ever beat him. Like I would 1:20:48.920 --> 1:20:50.960 try to come half an hour early and he'll be looking. 1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:52.280 I knew he was gonna try. 1:20:52.160 --> 1:20:54.760 This and I'll come an hour early and he'll he'll 1:20:54.880 --> 1:20:57.519 always like, we'll have a meeting at f and he'll 1:20:57.560 --> 1:21:00.639 be there at one thirty. I'm like, look you're doing 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:02.320 Like He's like, I knew you try to beat me. 1:21:02.760 --> 1:21:03.320 I'm saying. 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:08.439 To me that was always impressive, Like because you don't 1:21:08.479 --> 1:21:12.240 waste no one's time. Yeah, one person, Sime is so 1:21:12.920 --> 1:21:16.439 valuable and the fact I know what I mean, like 1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:18.880 fully knowing you, I know that you are a great 1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:23.760 person because it's a certain things about a person that 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:27.879 I have to assess in fifteen seconds. You met every criteria, 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:34.880 particular as I walk in my father's shoes. And he 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:40.360 he loved people, he loved the business, he loved you know, 1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:41.760 just doing this whole thing. 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:43.960 Man. And I used to get scared when I was. 1:21:44.560 --> 1:21:47.760 I used to hold onto my music too precious, and 1:21:47.880 --> 1:21:50.640 so I wouldn't show myself. I would hide myself. And 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:52.679 that's why it took me time to become a performer, 1:21:53.360 --> 1:21:55.719 because I just wanted the music to do all the talking. 1:21:55.760 --> 1:21:58.400 I didn't want anything else to matter except the music. 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:01.400 And then that's with this Mass Singer Show has been 1:22:01.479 --> 1:22:04.160 so great for me because working with a guy like 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:06.880 doctor Can and letting him make fun of me, letting 1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:07.720 everybody make fun of me. 1:22:08.080 --> 1:22:11.360 It's really become my new superpower, which is I can 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:15.479 laugh at myself and I can appreciate the things that 1:22:15.560 --> 1:22:18.080 I'm good at and what I can do, and then 1:22:18.120 --> 1:22:19.519 I can laugh at what I'm not good at and 1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:21.000 what I can you know what I mean. And that 1:22:21.320 --> 1:22:26.080 has really changed my life myself. I mean, because I 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:28.760 don't know if I would have done this ten years ago. 1:22:28.840 --> 1:22:30.719 You know, I would have been too scared of anything 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:33.240 that I didn't want to be known for or say. 1:22:33.920 --> 1:22:37.519 But I've become comfortable in my skin by being the 1:22:37.600 --> 1:22:38.000 butt of the. 1:22:38.080 --> 1:22:41.639 Joke every once in a while. And it's relieving. It's really, yeah, 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:46.400 it is. Now let's talk about sex. Therapy. Is sex 1:22:46.720 --> 1:22:50.000 your therapy? I think that the therapy comes in all forms. 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:52.800 I think, you know, a little jay watching the sun 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:56.519 go down his therapy. I think me swimming with my 1:22:56.560 --> 1:22:58.800 two year old son in the pool is therapy. I 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:02.280 think it's all making sure that you balance enough of 1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:05.800 your life to get the joys of everybody in your 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:06.559 life and all. 1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:10.360 The experiences you can accumulate daily, weekly, and monthly. So 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:13.000 for me, the therapy is really just a change of 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:17.320 whatever I'm doing right now. The next happy thing is therapeutic. 1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:19.800 The next happy thing is that making dinner for my kids? 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:22.120 Is there? Do you know what I mean? I like 1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:25.840 to go to costcos. Yeah, I like to go to extent. 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:30.360 I put on a mask, a little little sunglasses. It 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:34.040 doesn't work. It doesn't work. You put on a mask, 1:23:34.800 --> 1:23:37.240 by the way. I love the mask, like because you 1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:40.320 know I want to be you mean COVID. Yes, you 1:23:40.439 --> 1:23:43.280 put that on now, like I mean, and then yeah, 1:23:44.040 --> 1:23:44.560 I put it on. 1:23:44.840 --> 1:23:46.639 I go, you know, when I want to go somewhere 1:23:46.800 --> 1:23:49.000 to a hotel or something like that, Like I'll put 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:51.360 it on, put the glasses on. But it's like it 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:53.639 didn't matter because I'll be walking through and somebody black, 1:23:53.720 --> 1:23:57.040 what's up North? I did everything for you not to 1:23:57.120 --> 1:23:59.639 recognize me. And that's the first thing, Like it doesn't 1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:01.240 matter my eyebrows. 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:06.800 Robin Dick, I can't hold it bolls. 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:09.800 Okay, but all right, let's look, I got so much 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:12.519 notes because your life, your life is really dope. 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:16.280 It's really dope. It's been interesting, it's been interesting. It's 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:16.880 been interesting. 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:22.400 Still is so okay, let's let's get to magic. Okay, 1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:26.120 let's talk about magic for a second. How where was 1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:26.439 you at? 1:24:27.880 --> 1:24:34.200 Well, this was this is when I was going through. 1:24:36.600 --> 1:24:40.200 I had just had my first success, real success with 1:24:40.360 --> 1:24:44.040 Loss Without You and the Evolution album, and everything was 1:24:44.120 --> 1:24:46.920 happening very fast. I did Oprah a couple of times, 1:24:47.040 --> 1:24:50.760 and and you know, it was really feeling like, you know, 1:24:50.840 --> 1:24:51.520 I remember. 1:24:51.280 --> 1:24:54.160 Paula at the time. She would say, we're not crazy, 1:24:54.280 --> 1:24:54.960 We're not crazy. 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:58.439 You know your music like people do like sitting there 1:24:58.520 --> 1:25:02.160 like thinking these songs are really good. And then you know, 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:07.120 finally it reaches the people and gets that kind of 1:25:07.200 --> 1:25:09.519 response and you're like, Okay, we're not crazy, let's keep going. 1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:15.360 So, you know, Magic was really about believing. And and 1:25:15.479 --> 1:25:16.400 also it was Paula. 1:25:16.560 --> 1:25:20.960 Paula was becoming very successful and her and I wrote 1:25:20.960 --> 1:25:22.680 that song together. She came up with a lot of 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:25.000 that wait what yeah, magic, Yeah, that's a lot of. 1:25:25.000 --> 1:25:25.760 That's Paula on that. 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.799 Paula was great at being able to throw out lyrical ideas, 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:32.960 you know what I mean. When I would get stuck 1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:34.519 on something, I'd be like, I got this great track, 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:35.840 but I just need to I don't I don't know, 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:37.479 I don't like what I'm singing over it, And she 1:25:37.479 --> 1:25:38.960 would come up with a little something and give me 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:41.519 a spark, and she was amazing at that. So she, 1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:44.680 her and I wrote Magic together. I think some of 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:48.280 it was based on remember the book The Secret, So 1:25:48.400 --> 1:25:51.640 the the the idea of the Secret is I got it, 1:25:51.760 --> 1:25:53.599 you got it, We got the magic. We can make 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:58.120 the pain disappear, you know, and we can erase the past. 1:26:01.840 --> 1:26:02.320 Stuff like that. 1:26:05.720 --> 1:26:08.120 We can make the future sign so bright, and we 1:26:08.200 --> 1:26:09.920 can make right now all right. So it was about 1:26:09.960 --> 1:26:13.160 the power of having magic and all of us to 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:16.080 have a magic that we can change our lives, change 1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:17.800 our futures, and change our course. 1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:21.600 By the way, that your record with Trey song was 1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:24.439 bad Girl with Tray Song, Bad Girl, you got so 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:24.920 much hits. 1:26:24.960 --> 1:26:33.160 He was that boogie with the hoodie I remember being 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:35.240 a boogie record. I forgot Trey was on it too, 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:38.360 that's by the way. That's like you went to the 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:42.040 bathroom and I was just sitting there talking just now. 1:26:42.120 --> 1:26:44.920 It was like, yo, you forgot he had a hit record, 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:47.080 Like who forgets you have a hit record? 1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:50.559 That is a dope problem that well, that's a dope 1:26:50.560 --> 1:26:53.000 problem trade a little mad you don't even remember, but 1:26:53.439 --> 1:26:54.360 it's still a good problem. 1:26:54.840 --> 1:26:57.720 That's that's because it was more recent. Yeah, it was 1:26:57.800 --> 1:27:00.240 more recent. And that was one once again digitals that 1:27:00.400 --> 1:27:02.800 was like where I wasn't with Bookie, So I don't 1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:04.000 have a studio experience. 1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:04.839 I don't picture. 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:06.840 I wasn't there with Trey, you know what I mean. 1:27:06.920 --> 1:27:09.000 So when I hear it, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. 1:27:09.520 --> 1:27:11.720 So yeah, some of those things don't register as much 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:13.120 when you have that visual. 1:27:13.880 --> 1:27:16.920 That experience. Right, And you got a song called Brown Liquor. 1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:19.760 That's the new one with Gotti here Wagatti, that's the 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:22.559 new one with got you know what's you know? It's 1:27:22.600 --> 1:27:26.519 so dope about you, all the accolades we spoke about earlier. 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:29.439 Everything we spoke about was you went through to see 1:27:29.439 --> 1:27:31.600 your passion when you just played your new record, Do 1:27:31.760 --> 1:27:34.600 you still have that passion? I lost my shit a 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:35.320 long time ago. 1:27:36.160 --> 1:27:39.800 Like like what I'm trying to tell you is I 1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:41.519 don't want to say we have similar lights, but we 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:44.800 have you know, I believe you forty five years old. 1:27:44.800 --> 1:27:47.000 I'm forty five, just turned forty six. Oh don'tkay Dan, 1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:48.240 you older me By one. 1:27:48.520 --> 1:27:52.400 But yeah, yeah, so soone you look at the years 1:27:52.920 --> 1:27:57.559 and the thing is our maya you still having passion 1:27:58.760 --> 1:28:00.680 like that ship because because this is the reason why 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:03.519 I like a lot of times people ask me for 1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:06.559 a verse or they asked me to be a part 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:08.519 of their music, and I'm kind of like done with 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:09.040 that life. 1:28:09.160 --> 1:28:11.880 Yeah, but it's a good thing and I'm done with 1:28:11.960 --> 1:28:12.280 that life. 1:28:12.280 --> 1:28:14.360 What I mean by that is if I'm not one 1:28:14.439 --> 1:28:17.360 hundred percent, I can't do it right right, So I 1:28:17.400 --> 1:28:19.479 wouldn't waste nobody's time. But for me to see you 1:28:19.720 --> 1:28:23.559 just now, I just was I was doing my peripheral vision, 1:28:24.479 --> 1:28:25.080 so I didn't want you. 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:27.320 To know I was just watching you. But I was 1:28:27.439 --> 1:28:30.560 watching and when I seen your smile, come on the 1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:35.240 fact that you still have passion, yeah for music is 1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:39.920 but nomen no, well you used to have passion period 1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:41.720 because you have such a dope light. You have so 1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:45.479 much things and you can still I saw that smile. 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:46.639 But you know what, I love. 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:50.519 I love the There's nothing better than love, and there's 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.840 nothing harder than love, you know what I mean. 1:28:53.600 --> 1:28:58.040 And so I always have something to write about always 1:28:58.080 --> 1:28:59.760 because I'm in love, you know what I mean. 1:28:59.880 --> 1:29:02.400 And I love my kids, and I miss my dad, 1:29:02.479 --> 1:29:04.600 and I miss Andre, and there's so much love in 1:29:04.680 --> 1:29:08.760 my heart for so many people in my life that 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:10.760 all I need to do is have the space and 1:29:10.840 --> 1:29:14.000 the choiet to tap into that love and there's. 1:29:13.840 --> 1:29:15.080 Something to talk about, you know. 1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:17.720 Now this song is more of a fun sex but 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:20.559 in the sense the lyrics are still I'm talking about 1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:23.799 someone in particular and I'm saying I only. 1:29:23.760 --> 1:29:29.240 Drink this liquor. And this is a long Empire Records. 1:29:29.000 --> 1:29:32.439 Right I think this one the last album was with Empire. 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:33.560 This is independent. 1:29:33.640 --> 1:29:37.080 This is just with Me is an Empire independent as well? 1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:39.000 Well, I mean this is it would be going through 1:29:39.040 --> 1:29:40.280 Empire as an imprint. 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:42.360 But not this particular song right now. 1:29:42.479 --> 1:29:48.160 Yeah, yeah, because I'm actually I'm formulating the new album 1:29:48.240 --> 1:29:50.519 and looking for the new distribution deal. 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:52.080 But I want to have most of the album done, 1:29:52.200 --> 1:29:53.880 you know. I want to have the recorce like that. 1:29:54.400 --> 1:29:57.160 This is This was the teas like the teaser single, yeah, 1:29:57.200 --> 1:29:59.280 but teaser singles was not even I don't know if 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:01.439 it's got you know, don't The radio hasn't quite picked 1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:02.760 it up, So I think it's going to be more 1:30:02.760 --> 1:30:04.160 of just an underground jam. 1:30:04.320 --> 1:30:07.760 But I gotta act this because you said this is independent, 1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:09.920 So you paid for the video or did you get? 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:13.360 Yes? Did you get? You got to ask the question though, No, No, 1:30:13.479 --> 1:30:16.280 I I I'm going I got, I got a little money, 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:18.720 but no, most of this is self finance, okay, self mind. 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:22.040 Yeah, because we have another famous question that we always ask, 1:30:22.680 --> 1:30:23.920 major or independent. 1:30:24.760 --> 1:30:27.439 Oh well, I think for a young artist, a major 1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:30.040 label deal is can be very helpful. 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:33.800 I think you think today in today's environment, No, I mean. 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:37.320 I'm I think that there's just so many different outlets. 1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:40.400 But I do think that the support of a major 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:42.519 label system. I do think that the deals need to 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:46.760 be red reworked. Obviously, I don't think there's a there's 1:30:46.840 --> 1:30:50.760 fairness within the structure, but I do believe. 1:30:50.560 --> 1:30:55.080 That I do miss the Jimmy Ivean roundhouse. That's what 1:30:55.560 --> 1:31:02.560 he misses. I mean, why when Jimmy Ivan. 1:31:02.320 --> 1:31:04.360 Calls you at seven thirty in the morning and says, 1:31:04.439 --> 1:31:06.280 this is the best record you've ever made, It's going 1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:07.840 to be number one all over the world, and then 1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:09.519 it is right, you missed that. 1:31:11.920 --> 1:31:14.000 I'm so sorry. It seemed like a practice answer. 1:31:15.080 --> 1:31:17.320 No, no, no, I'm a big Jimmy ivan fan shout 1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:19.519 out to Jimmy ivanen Old. 1:31:19.360 --> 1:31:20.640 The time I says, as long as you had a 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:23.880 good deal, majors is not the problem. As long as 1:31:23.920 --> 1:31:26.960 you have a good deal, meaning like you negotiate what 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:28.040 you want, right. 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:30.320 But I don't even think you mean that though, to 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:32.400 be honest with you, a good deal, because I think 1:31:32.479 --> 1:31:35.639 you're talking for it to be to have a hit record. 1:31:35.680 --> 1:31:37.880 I think yes, the artist that hell, I don't think 1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:39.640 a major. I don't think a major is good for 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:43.240 a hit record. I think a major is helpful in 1:31:43.479 --> 1:31:50.479 the overall international, worldwide promotion of a brand new art. 1:31:50.520 --> 1:31:53.080 If the labels behind you, that's always been our debaker, 1:31:53.200 --> 1:31:56.120 that the labels behind you. For every artist that had 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:58.639 a great experience out of that label, there's ten below 1:31:58.760 --> 1:32:02.920 one hundred more. I'm just but yeah, a ton that 1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:05.240 didn't have it, they didn't have the label backing then. 1:32:05.280 --> 1:32:08.400 But I'll tell you this, as an artist, there's no 1:32:08.680 --> 1:32:10.800 worse a feeling in the world. I know. Worst is 1:32:10.800 --> 1:32:12.800 not a word. I get it. It's a dream chance word. 1:32:12.840 --> 1:32:15.679 It's a dream chance world. There's no worse of feeling 1:32:15.840 --> 1:32:18.840 and dropping a hit record. You knowing this a hit 1:32:18.920 --> 1:32:22.080 record and then not becoming a hit record that it hurts, 1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:25.920 and a major label gives you more of an opportunity 1:32:26.040 --> 1:32:29.479 for your dream to come to fruition. Because what I'm 1:32:29.520 --> 1:32:33.280 trying to tell you is like after a while, remember 1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:34.960 you make a hit record and then they say, well 1:32:35.240 --> 1:32:36.599 it's not as good as your last year. 1:32:37.840 --> 1:32:40.320 You fell off, so you got to go in and 1:32:40.439 --> 1:32:43.240 make another hit record. And as an artist, when you 1:32:43.360 --> 1:32:46.840 give it to an independent who who's not familiar with 1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:50.280 the radio station in Atlanta, not familiar with there's one 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:53.640 station in Las Vegas, you do the proper thing. You 1:32:53.840 --> 1:32:54.959 automatically added. 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:56.760 Well, that's what you made all that you went wrong 1:32:56.840 --> 1:32:58.960 already you said when you give it to an independent, 1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:00.479 you should be the dependent. 1:33:00.960 --> 1:33:03.840 You shouldn't be given it to another independent label. No, 1:33:04.000 --> 1:33:04.960 I mean, I ain't mean that. 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:08.839 You're right, So okay, when you hire when you're independent, 1:33:08.960 --> 1:33:10.720 you have to hire a staff. You still have to 1:33:10.800 --> 1:33:13.840 try to do everything. A major label is to do 1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:16.840 it because you want that major label win. And boy, 1:33:16.960 --> 1:33:20.600 when if you if you don't have that great nothing like. 1:33:20.600 --> 1:33:23.720 The machine, nothing like there's nothing like the machine. You 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:25.040 can all agree to that we love you. 1:33:25.120 --> 1:33:28.400 Jimmy's wherever you're at Kevin Leo's, Mike Kaiser. 1:33:28.800 --> 1:33:30.000 Don't think work that. 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:32.960 Don't think that the work that you're doing at these 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:36.799 major labels is going unnoticed. Because still I'm being honest, 1:33:38.080 --> 1:33:41.559 and this is what I recommend for every new artist. 1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:44.640 The first three albums, you go on to major, and 1:33:44.680 --> 1:33:46.680 then after they spend that twenty million hours on you, 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:49.320 then you can spend that twenty million hours on yourself. 1:33:49.479 --> 1:33:50.519 I would say backwards. 1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:53.840 In today's in today's climate, you could go on through 1:33:53.960 --> 1:33:57.519 social media, don't do much and just to make whatever 1:33:57.640 --> 1:34:00.640 music that resonates with your audience. Get these followers and 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:02.760 these likes or whatever you need to do. And the 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:04.000 labels they're lazy. 1:34:04.080 --> 1:34:06.599 Now they're not. They're not. They're not developing artists anymore. 1:34:06.640 --> 1:34:09.320 And you'll be able to control you can control you. 1:34:09.520 --> 1:34:11.559 You can have a better deal at a major. Use 1:34:11.640 --> 1:34:13.840 the machine, come up as an independent, and then come 1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:15.320 out of that machine a lot more whole. 1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:17.400 But most of those records come from the streets, and 1:34:17.800 --> 1:34:22.040 the streets have the urgency and the and the that 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:24.920 deserve the immediate attention of the listeners. You know what, right, 1:34:25.160 --> 1:34:27.640 Because when there's some fresh on the street, you know 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:30.599 that they like when fifty was coming or these records 1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:34.000 are come and these artists are coming, you know, the labels. 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:36.720 Know and uh. And that's why I agree with you. 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:39.120 I think if you, if you already have heat, but 1:34:39.200 --> 1:34:42.479 if you need the producers and you need the songwriters. 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:44.120 So you need, then the label is going to connect 1:34:44.120 --> 1:34:46.200 you with those. If you if you're Gotti's camp. 1:34:46.439 --> 1:34:49.439 And you just got records and video directors and guys 1:34:49.479 --> 1:34:53.640 coming straight from the streets in your neighborhood, then you 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:55.400 got to I mean, he's got a cash machine. 1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:58.080 I think that's a greate example is fifty fifty had 1:34:58.120 --> 1:35:02.120 the streets already like did before it d independent god 1:35:02.640 --> 1:35:03.679 independent mix. 1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:07.479 But when he got with that label, he got with it. 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:13.320 Was I've always said that he independent, so you can 1:35:13.360 --> 1:35:14.599 take advantage of the machine. 1:35:14.640 --> 1:35:16.880 I think that he could have still been one of 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:20.120 the biggest artists without them, but he became one of 1:35:20.200 --> 1:35:24.960 the biggest superstars with them, like he became Like I 1:35:25.160 --> 1:35:28.800 love looking at Tony Yale's Instagram and seeing these motherfuckers 1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:30.680 in places I can't pronounce. 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:34.240 And they just sitting here. I love that ship. I'm 1:35:34.280 --> 1:35:36.439 like like this is this is it? Like because I 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:39.200 saw it from the beginning. So again I love this argument. 1:35:41.040 --> 1:35:43.439 Just to give a quick analogy, super independent. 1:35:44.120 --> 1:35:45.960 The quick analogy I would give is like you're a 1:35:46.000 --> 1:35:49.720 small business owner doing it on your own and you're 1:35:49.840 --> 1:35:53.200 you're you're succeeding at us. You reached your your ceiling 1:35:53.320 --> 1:35:55.640 of success, but you're succeeding, and now you can go 1:35:55.720 --> 1:35:58.599 to the bank and ask for that credit line that's 1:35:58.680 --> 1:36:00.960 like a million dollars. You know, that's what That's what 1:36:01.040 --> 1:36:03.280 the labels are. They're they're credit lines. You know they're 1:36:03.400 --> 1:36:07.240 they're bad. But but you also no, I mean with experts, 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:08.560 I want to appreciate it. 1:36:08.720 --> 1:36:11.120 And because as we've had the owner to work with 1:36:11.240 --> 1:36:15.800 the other people below the CEOs, there are great. 1:36:17.000 --> 1:36:19.679 Video heads, marketers, marketers, there are great there are people 1:36:19.680 --> 1:36:21.840 with can've worked under some people that know how to 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.560 talk to people that the artists can't. Absolutely and the 1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:27.240 artists can't get on the phone and hold a conversation 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:29.920 with the marketing team and with the blah blah blah team, 1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:31.040 and you know, and so. 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:33.400 They need those teams to go out into the world 1:36:33.520 --> 1:36:36.600 for them and and do the talking for them. So 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:39.600 I think it's their strength in numbers, you know. 1:36:39.560 --> 1:36:39.920 What I mean? 1:36:40.000 --> 1:36:43.479 And you you can do as much you want to do, 1:36:43.520 --> 1:36:45.640 as much as you can individually. Even me is And 1:36:45.760 --> 1:36:47.240 now I say I want to write the song. 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:48.800 I want to. I want to try to do everything 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:49.160 on my own. 1:36:49.240 --> 1:36:51.280 Now, if someone else comes in and has a better 1:36:51.320 --> 1:36:53.600 idea or wants to make it better, I'm all for it. 1:36:53.960 --> 1:36:57.360 I've got to generate the magic from scratch and then 1:36:58.000 --> 1:36:58.479 the other. 1:36:58.439 --> 1:37:00.200 Things will come. You know what I mean? You know 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:00.519 what else? 1:37:00.600 --> 1:37:04.080 The problem is to you get to a certain lifestyle 1:37:04.160 --> 1:37:05.880 that the label has provided for you. 1:37:06.120 --> 1:37:08.360 He cannot dumb that. That's hard. Like that's what you 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:12.600 really understand about. That's hard? You like that? Like that? 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:17.160 Like on that one I watched him pull up and 1:37:17.200 --> 1:37:22.439 I said, see that's recolation with ship, that's recogetion, recolletel. 1:37:23.560 --> 1:37:25.720 Ship down. You would like. What I'm saying is if 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:28.680 you were to sit here and just to say, as 1:37:28.800 --> 1:37:31.760 he pulled up, was he major Independent? You would know? 1:37:32.000 --> 1:37:35.000 You would know off top listen he's rolling like a major. 1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:40.680 That's because I got it. I'm on the TV shows. 1:37:47.800 --> 1:37:52.280 That's where the car money. By the way, that's hilarious. 1:37:53.479 --> 1:37:58.000 I love that. Holy I got man more truth. 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:02.160 Okay, I wrote for Brandy, you wrote for brianan Knight, 1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:04.879 You wrote for Christina Aguilero, You wrote for Color. 1:38:04.720 --> 1:38:08.200 Me Bad, Oh Man, color Me Bad? What did you 1:38:08.240 --> 1:38:11.200 write for them their second album? I was sixteen and. 1:38:11.240 --> 1:38:13.960 I was working with Tricky Stewart and their second album. 1:38:14.479 --> 1:38:16.400 Tricky was working with them, and I wrote a song 1:38:16.479 --> 1:38:19.840 called sexual Capacity or something like that that ended up 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:22.360 being their single off their second album. 1:38:23.479 --> 1:38:28.880 Ninety eight Degrees. Yes, I wrote a song with Brian McKnight. Actually, 1:38:29.000 --> 1:38:31.759 we wrote a song together that ended up on ninety degrees. 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:37.080 Mark Anthony Jordan Knight. Now, Jordan was a big, very 1:38:37.120 --> 1:38:39.479 important part of my musical development. 1:38:39.479 --> 1:38:42.800 I'll tell you why. When I signed to Interscope with 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:45.280 John McClean and Brian McKnight and Jimmy Ivy in that 1:38:45.360 --> 1:38:48.880 team at sixteen, they had just signed John had just 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:52.080 signed Jordan Knight as a solo artist coming off of 1:38:52.080 --> 1:38:54.200 the New Kids on the Block. So John was very 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:56.280 New Kids on the Block, right, So Jordan I was 1:38:56.320 --> 1:39:00.560 the lead singer New Kids. So Jim John's like, I 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:03.000 think you should get in the studio with Robin. So 1:39:03.160 --> 1:39:05.400 Jordan and I meet in the studio and I ended 1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:10.080 up writing and producing like seven of the ten songs 1:39:10.120 --> 1:39:11.280 on his debut album, Wow. 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:15.280 And my first hit top ten record was a baby 1:39:15.400 --> 1:39:17.360 you Know I Can Give It to You, which was 1:39:17.439 --> 1:39:21.040 produced with Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis. Wow and so amazing. 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:23.200 One the amazing thing. 1:39:23.160 --> 1:39:25.920 About Jordan what he did for me because they thought 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:28.160 I was a great songwriter, but I wasn't a producer. 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:31.000 I wasn't a real producer yet, so Jordan took me 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:33.400 with him. That's how I met Walter afanassy if I 1:39:33.439 --> 1:39:34.720 got to work with Raphael. 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:36.160 Sadik right after he worked with D'Angelo. 1:39:36.360 --> 1:39:41.840 I got to work with Teddy Riley. We got to 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:45.360 go see I mean we literally went. I got to go, Oh, Jimmy, Jamey, 1:39:45.400 --> 1:39:47.640 Terry Lewis. I got to go from the best producers 1:39:47.760 --> 1:39:50.800 camps in the world at the time and learn from 1:39:50.840 --> 1:39:51.240 all of them. 1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:54.360 When I was eighteen years old. How did they treat you? 1:39:55.280 --> 1:39:57.760 Were they? Because I could sing and write? They you know, 1:39:57.880 --> 1:40:00.200 I always got that kind of a oh they you 1:40:00.200 --> 1:40:02.559 would know they were just like this kid's got talent. 1:40:02.720 --> 1:40:04.439 You know, he wouldn't be here if he didn't, you know. 1:40:05.000 --> 1:40:06.200 So I was very lucky. 1:40:06.320 --> 1:40:09.320 But as far as they were concerned, as long as 1:40:09.360 --> 1:40:10.559 you come up, you come up with stuff. 1:40:10.840 --> 1:40:12.080 So when you come up with a great chorus and 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:14.800 Jimmy sitting there doing the baseline live, Jimmy Jam one 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:19.000 of the most incredible musicians, I mean, Jimmy Jam, and 1:40:19.040 --> 1:40:21.679 I learned so much from Jimmy. Those sessions with Jimmy 1:40:22.160 --> 1:40:25.200 were just life changing for me as a producer, Brian 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:27.559 as a vocalist, being in the studio session with Brian 1:40:27.680 --> 1:40:30.960 learning how to do harmonies and record them, and then 1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:33.040 being in the studio Jimmy Jam. And this is all 1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:35.280 by eighteen years old, so I was blessed. We talk 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:36.880 about going to college, you know what I mean. You 1:40:36.960 --> 1:40:39.040 also wrote for Miam Pink too, I did. 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:42.960 I got to work with Maya on her debut album 1:40:43.400 --> 1:40:44.800 or I think it was maybe a second album. We 1:40:44.880 --> 1:40:48.240 did three songs together Pink. That was again from the 1:40:48.280 --> 1:40:50.960 Tricky Stewart sessions. It was a song that we just 1:40:51.040 --> 1:40:53.000 wrote and then Pink ended up cutting it because that 1:40:53.080 --> 1:40:55.320 was the La Face. That was when Ellie Reid and 1:40:56.800 --> 1:40:59.920 Babyface were still together at La Face and they were 1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:01.440 feeding le Face songs. 1:41:01.160 --> 1:41:05.680 In La was putting them on his different artists, So 1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:08.439 I can't. And then so as i'm you know, going 1:41:08.479 --> 1:41:13.120 through your discography, there's a there's a straight up song. 1:41:13.840 --> 1:41:16.320 I thought it was like hitting, but it's a straight 1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:21.200 up song called Cocaine. Yes. Straight. It's a good one too. 1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:26.120 It's good. It's a great Ocaeka. People gonna cut it. 1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:31.320 Look came So I'll say this just for fun because 1:41:31.320 --> 1:41:33.639 the lyrics this is this is a true story. You're 1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:38.880 like a true story, Beverly. He so tell for me 1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:44.719 him it's my birthday. I wanna stay young, I wanna 1:41:44.920 --> 1:41:49.479 have fun. I don't want to be only one no way. 1:41:50.080 --> 1:41:58.880 Movie stars, models and bloods and coldcage Ellen is all same, 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:04.600 the angels, not the other way. Because they couldn't understand 1:42:04.920 --> 1:42:23.439 Mo pame cocaine diango was about to go to I've 1:42:23.479 --> 1:42:25.639 been doing that. I've been doing that at the shows. Yeah, 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:27.960 you would be racially profiled right now. 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:38.080 Because we are not richly profilaus to guys. 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:43.400 He used to be like other than this Sugarhill gang. 1:42:43.960 --> 1:42:45.920 There was no one that ever said said that. 1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:49.160 Actually, I think I remember when we were going to release, 1:42:49.240 --> 1:42:51.479 the label said that there was some challenges. They wanted 1:42:51.520 --> 1:42:53.080 me to change the title, and. 1:42:53.200 --> 1:42:55.880 Then they realized. Then they realized that Eric. 1:42:55.800 --> 1:43:01.000 Clapton had released a very famous song just to notice that. 1:43:01.400 --> 1:43:03.680 So then then they let it go. They let it 1:43:03.760 --> 1:43:09.800 go White. That was sugar white. You know, he's not 1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:13.599 like he says, coke. I think it's called flash and furious. Yeah, 1:43:13.800 --> 1:43:17.160 it's called cocaine. You can't pat in the word cocaine, 1:43:17.160 --> 1:43:19.360 so you could just call it right, you can't, right, Well, 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:24.519 I don't think so not own throw the label. So 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:26.160 you make this record and the label comes to you 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:28.320 and says, probably I. 1:43:28.280 --> 1:43:30.800 Don't remember, I mean label, you know, a manager called 1:43:30.840 --> 1:43:33.240 somebody says that there we're having an issue with the 1:43:33.400 --> 1:43:34.200 song tel cocaine. 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:38.080 Obviously I was coming. Your father was on. Yeah, my 1:43:38.160 --> 1:43:40.200 dad's a growing Pain's dad. And I'm still trying to 1:43:40.320 --> 1:43:42.240 pitch market me as a as an R and D 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:44.879 exactly the soul singer, slash pop. 1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:47.760 Star or whatever, trying to market me as when and 1:43:47.960 --> 1:43:52.240 so I just h I said, well, I don't really 1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:53.800 want to change the song title. I mean, it's kind 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:54.920 of what the song's about. 1:43:56.960 --> 1:44:01.640 It's about cocaine, and you know, I had never tried it, 1:44:01.760 --> 1:44:04.280 and it was really about the culture that I was seeing. 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:09.439 As my presence in young Hollywood, and how much I 1:44:09.600 --> 1:44:11.280 saw of it and how much it scared me. And 1:44:11.400 --> 1:44:14.080 so it's all about the fears of I don't want 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:15.640 to be the only one who's not doing it, and 1:44:15.680 --> 1:44:17.599 I don't want to be you know, but you're you're 1:44:17.680 --> 1:44:19.880 It's really about the peer pressure of being around movie 1:44:19.920 --> 1:44:23.080 stars and models and all these things and everybody's doing it, 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:24.559 and you know, you don't want to be the only one. 1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:26.880 You don't want to be the you don't be. 1:44:26.880 --> 1:44:31.800 The proved one of my first uh times in California. 1:44:33.800 --> 1:44:37.040 I'm sitting up there and I didn't know how much 1:44:37.120 --> 1:44:41.240 of a commodity having cigarettes was for this community. 1:44:42.040 --> 1:44:44.240 And the God comes I ain't a community. God comes 1:44:44.320 --> 1:44:53.800 up to me, said go for Newport you and then 1:44:53.840 --> 1:44:54.719 you sold it to Diego. 1:44:57.800 --> 1:44:59.759 But by the way, by the way, guys, I'm green, 1:44:59.840 --> 1:45:02.080 and I'm like just coming to Ali. 1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:02.680 I don't know. 1:45:02.880 --> 1:45:07.080 So I'm looking like what he's like, yo right now, 1:45:07.600 --> 1:45:10.120 and I'm like, holy ship. And then I didn't realize. 1:45:10.120 --> 1:45:11.800 And then I realized I was the only one in 1:45:11.840 --> 1:45:12.520 the party. 1:45:12.320 --> 1:45:17.640 That wasn't a little neck okay, But I felt like 1:45:17.720 --> 1:45:19.720 that that's that's that was ill for you to like 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:22.200 say that. You know what I mean, I feel like 1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:23.960 be up up front. I think I think that was 1:45:24.080 --> 1:45:27.439 like genius. I think, yeah, very much. Well, I mean 1:45:27.479 --> 1:45:29.160 the things, like I said, I always just try to 1:45:29.600 --> 1:45:32.200 say what I'm going through. And that's why my songs 1:45:32.240 --> 1:45:32.920 are very. 1:45:33.320 --> 1:45:36.920 Chronological, you know, like what I wrote and my album titles, 1:45:36.960 --> 1:45:37.479 it's all what I. 1:45:37.520 --> 1:45:40.200 Was going through literally at the time. You know, Love 1:45:40.240 --> 1:45:43.599 after war, sex therapy, Oh, I got that. I got 1:45:43.880 --> 1:45:49.160 all my notes, Love Knows the evolution. There were all literal. 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:52.400 Periods of my life, you know. So all right, now 1:45:52.479 --> 1:46:00.519 let's get the blurred line. Okay, I can remember I 1:46:00.600 --> 1:46:06.439 can remember me hearing about this lawsuit. Yes, the record 1:46:06.520 --> 1:46:07.160 is phenomenal. 1:46:08.000 --> 1:46:08.160 You know. 1:46:08.600 --> 1:46:10.920 I started well, I don't want to say I started 1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:15.200 with Forrell, but my second album, my big is oh yeah, 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:19.880 what what what? What super Doug was with Forarrell? I 1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:23.479 seen how he works and I seen so when I 1:46:23.640 --> 1:46:25.320 listened to it, because we listened to it today. We 1:46:25.400 --> 1:46:29.880 listened to Marvin Gaye's record, then we listen to your record, 1:46:29.920 --> 1:46:33.120 Then we listened to Blurred Lines, then we listened to 1:46:34.280 --> 1:46:38.599 getting back to back back to back. I can hear 1:46:38.920 --> 1:46:42.040 with Pharrell didn't sample he you know what I mean? 1:46:42.479 --> 1:46:46.439 But the average the average person. How we were speaking 1:46:46.479 --> 1:46:49.920 about earlier, how sometimes being smart is actually being dumb, 1:46:50.320 --> 1:46:54.240 like because you know when too much, you know too much. 1:46:55.360 --> 1:46:57.519 So when I kept doing it today, I kept listening 1:46:57.600 --> 1:47:01.400 back and forth to each each each record, I can 1:47:01.479 --> 1:47:04.080 see it. Did you think that you guys. 1:47:05.439 --> 1:47:10.200 Was doing was doing wrong by showing love? No? I 1:47:10.280 --> 1:47:12.160 mean you know we uh. 1:47:13.080 --> 1:47:15.560 I mean there's been so much said about it that 1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:17.400 there's not I don't know if there's anything new I 1:47:17.439 --> 1:47:18.120 can really say. 1:47:18.880 --> 1:47:23.439 You just knew you could say. So. The fact is 1:47:23.680 --> 1:47:28.840 that my respect level of Pharrell's abilities and the fact 1:47:28.840 --> 1:47:31.120 that I was lucky to be in the room and 1:47:31.280 --> 1:47:33.560 he chose to write a song. The thing that the 1:47:33.680 --> 1:47:35.880 genius about him is he will look he literally wouldn't 1:47:35.880 --> 1:47:38.720 have written that song for anybody else. Wow, Or I 1:47:38.760 --> 1:47:41.400 mean I helped write it, of course, but you know 1:47:41.680 --> 1:47:44.560 the mastermind that he is. If any other artist is 1:47:44.600 --> 1:47:46.000 in that room, he won't write. He's not going to 1:47:46.040 --> 1:47:46.599 write that song. 1:47:46.760 --> 1:47:48.920 He looks at me, my energy, the way we are, 1:47:49.120 --> 1:47:51.519 the thing he thinks I'll sound good doing blah blah, blah. 1:47:51.680 --> 1:47:53.640 It's all his mind works. 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.439 On many different masterful levels at the same time, and 1:47:56.560 --> 1:48:00.600 he knows exactly what he's trying to conceptualized for this 1:48:01.080 --> 1:48:03.919 particular artist, different from Ed shar and different from Timberlake, 1:48:03.960 --> 1:48:07.080 different from North. He knows this person, I'm going to 1:48:07.120 --> 1:48:08.639 do something completely different than I've. 1:48:08.520 --> 1:48:13.240 Done for anyone else. That's what we got. It's it was, 1:48:14.200 --> 1:48:16.280 it's still it's still you put it on live. 1:48:16.320 --> 1:48:18.439 When we do the live shows, people go nuts as 1:48:18.479 --> 1:48:22.479 soon as and so all we really wanted to do 1:48:22.600 --> 1:48:24.800 when we got into music was do what we love 1:48:25.400 --> 1:48:28.720 and make people feel like that. So I no matter 1:48:28.800 --> 1:48:31.280 what has happened since or in hindsight, this feeling it 1:48:31.479 --> 1:48:34.760 still gives people right in front of my face is 1:48:34.840 --> 1:48:35.559 worth everything. 1:48:36.600 --> 1:48:38.680 It's It's like I say this story. Were on drink 1:48:38.760 --> 1:48:41.880 Champs a couple of times when I met James Brown. 1:48:42.680 --> 1:48:46.080 First thing James Brown said, because they came They came 1:48:46.160 --> 1:48:48.240 up to him and they must have told him, like 1:48:48.520 --> 1:48:49.599 his nephew or someone. 1:48:49.880 --> 1:48:52.120 He didn't know what the funk I was. So he's like, 1:48:52.439 --> 1:48:56.519 that's Noriega, he's a rapper, and James mind looked up. 1:48:56.600 --> 1:49:06.719 He said, keep sampling my ship, get a five a selfie. 1:49:07.920 --> 1:49:09.439 But but what it is is. 1:49:12.160 --> 1:49:16.040 Those pioneers. They understand that we want our music to 1:49:16.120 --> 1:49:17.840 live on forever. And it's something that I had to 1:49:17.880 --> 1:49:20.360 deal with because I hate when people sample my music. 1:49:20.479 --> 1:49:23.880 I can't stand it. I'm sorry, I know that's being petty. Yeah, 1:49:23.920 --> 1:49:28.040 you are being petty on that that I don't like 1:49:28.120 --> 1:49:33.720 it what you picked them up for saying keep sampling ship? Yeah, 1:49:33.760 --> 1:49:34.519 but I don't like it. 1:49:34.680 --> 1:49:40.400 But I'm saying we've had George Clinton, so this doesn't 1:49:40.439 --> 1:49:43.000 become an issue afterwards. Let's clarify that none of us 1:49:43.680 --> 1:49:47.400 would ever speak for Marvin Gate or his intentions. We 1:49:47.520 --> 1:49:51.559 are we are pontificating because we're reflecting our own feelings. 1:49:51.720 --> 1:50:02.280 Say partificated, Yeah, what does that mean? Just yeah? Projected 1:50:03.400 --> 1:50:06.559 you and I how we feel about how we feel. 1:50:06.640 --> 1:50:10.439 Yes, and we are insinuating that Marvin might have felt 1:50:10.439 --> 1:50:10.880 the same way. 1:50:10.960 --> 1:50:14.720 We do not know. Let's make sure like this, but 1:50:14.800 --> 1:50:18.160 without any confusion, we're not telling any other artists how 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:21.160 to feel about somebody being inspired by our sampling their music, 1:50:21.240 --> 1:50:24.439 et cetera. To me in my own world, if I 1:50:25.080 --> 1:50:28.120 if somebody did a similar and it was inspired similarly 1:50:28.240 --> 1:50:31.400 by my sound or music or vocals, I wouldn't have 1:50:31.479 --> 1:50:34.360 the same response person, So I can only speak for myself. 1:50:34.439 --> 1:50:35.840 I want to make sure that we didn't have to 1:50:37.000 --> 1:50:39.759 and get it thank you speaking yes, yes. 1:50:39.920 --> 1:50:43.960 Please, I mean because you know and and also I 1:50:44.080 --> 1:50:47.920 want to, you know, say like there's certain records that 1:50:48.320 --> 1:50:50.400 they do as I do, like. 1:50:51.040 --> 1:50:53.840 Like like like like girls girls do my record over. 1:50:53.960 --> 1:51:02.800 That is God the very Maybe I took that part out, yeah, 1:51:02.880 --> 1:51:11.240 maybe take the learner. And maybe speaking for was hard. 1:51:11.280 --> 1:51:13.280 We don't want to say baby was hard. There's a 1:51:13.320 --> 1:51:13.880 couple of others. 1:51:13.880 --> 1:51:15.400 I don't want to well, I mean there is the 1:51:15.800 --> 1:51:18.400 situation where the estates get to listen to it and. 1:51:18.680 --> 1:51:20.880 Approve it is you're going through those channel. 1:51:20.880 --> 1:51:24.840 It's different because the person themselves none of that music 1:51:25.240 --> 1:51:29.639 that they sample in, so the feeling for you is different. Yes, 1:51:29.760 --> 1:51:31.960 and so if you actually do my record over trying 1:51:32.080 --> 1:51:38.280 to pick me up, you're actually not you're actually doing well. 1:51:38.520 --> 1:51:41.080 But let's get let's I love that. But guess what, 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:44.519 Guess what, Guess what? Guess guess what something that I 1:51:44.600 --> 1:51:47.320 had to notice. Have you ever seen, for well, post 1:51:47.400 --> 1:51:48.839 one of those remakes? 1:51:49.240 --> 1:51:51.560 Not once? Because you know what I think me and 1:51:51.680 --> 1:51:54.240 him don't get we don't get what we deserve. 1:51:54.800 --> 1:51:56.880 So when a person samples our record and don't have 1:51:57.000 --> 1:52:00.120 to go through us, I can't understand it. 1:52:02.960 --> 1:52:06.160 Yes, like he said, like he said, so so yeah so. 1:52:06.200 --> 1:52:08.519 Sometimes so sometimes I do like when they sampled it, 1:52:08.600 --> 1:52:09.439 and sometimes I don't. 1:52:10.439 --> 1:52:14.280 Have you ever been sampled? And I have been sampled. 1:52:15.360 --> 1:52:19.719 My favorite version, or one of my favorites, was Drake 1:52:20.000 --> 1:52:22.840 and one of his early mixtapes, did Teach You a Lesson? 1:52:22.880 --> 1:52:25.040 One of my songs? And he sampled Teach You a Lesson? 1:52:25.640 --> 1:52:27.920 And then that's the same record that a Boogie with 1:52:27.960 --> 1:52:30.080 the Hoodie sample is teaching a lesson? 1:52:30.200 --> 1:52:31.000 Did you feel like Nori? 1:52:32.479 --> 1:52:35.519 I'll tell you a funny story when when I just 1:52:35.560 --> 1:52:39.559 because I love I love a boogie with the Hoodie, Uh, 1:52:40.160 --> 1:52:42.080 that's my man. But when he sent me the first 1:52:42.200 --> 1:52:44.880 version and here I wrote, this song is such a sweet, 1:52:45.000 --> 1:52:48.120 intimate and like the first few lines were so hard, 1:52:49.640 --> 1:52:49.920 That's what. 1:52:50.000 --> 1:52:50.599 I'm talking about. 1:52:52.840 --> 1:52:54.280 So so I did. 1:52:54.360 --> 1:52:56.000 I kind of hit him. I kind of hit him up, 1:52:56.040 --> 1:52:57.400 and I was like hit my manager too, And I 1:52:57.479 --> 1:52:59.519 was like, you know, maybe he could just lighten up 1:52:59.560 --> 1:53:01.880 the beginning a little bit so we could sink into it, 1:53:02.040 --> 1:53:04.240 you know, and he was cool, he didn't mind just 1:53:04.360 --> 1:53:07.040 kind of adjusting it out of respect for the okay, 1:53:07.920 --> 1:53:09.920 you know, it was it was only just the It 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:12.920 was like the entrance to the record and here because 1:53:12.920 --> 1:53:14.560 I'm hearing my music, you know, and I'm like, and 1:53:14.720 --> 1:53:17.120 I'm expecting this feeling. And he came in with something 1:53:17.760 --> 1:53:20.280 and I was like, maybe we could just change the 1:53:20.360 --> 1:53:24.160 first couple of lives. But I listened. They a couple 1:53:24.200 --> 1:53:24.519 of times. 1:53:24.600 --> 1:53:27.920 People sample sometimes sometimes it's the record about my. 1:53:27.960 --> 1:53:31.360 Father and him passing away. Yeah, and that's so when 1:53:31.439 --> 1:53:32.080 when when? When? 1:53:32.200 --> 1:53:34.719 When when people come on there and then they joyful 1:53:34.800 --> 1:53:40.000 about this record? Like that wasn't my intention. Like I 1:53:40.200 --> 1:53:43.719 cried this whole session, laying this down. I had literally 1:53:43.840 --> 1:53:45.880 tears in there. And you taking this record and you 1:53:46.040 --> 1:53:48.040 making it over a happy way. 1:53:48.520 --> 1:53:51.839 I did so so so I don't like that sometimes, 1:53:52.120 --> 1:53:55.080 But hold on, I got come on and blurred lines. 1:53:55.080 --> 1:53:58.560 We got through that, right, Yeah, lost without you. You 1:53:58.600 --> 1:54:02.680 already answered that question without me, which one is without me? 1:54:03.000 --> 1:54:06.479 Oh no, I'm talking about about me. Actually, I was like, 1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:07.360 I remember that sound. 1:54:08.439 --> 1:54:11.000 So many these questions I was asking you, I have 1:54:11.160 --> 1:54:13.680 on my notes you already answered earlier. Yeah, we got 1:54:13.720 --> 1:54:14.920 a good loss without your story. 1:54:15.120 --> 1:54:17.320 Yes, and you have you have a passion for Latin 1:54:17.439 --> 1:54:20.360 music here, Oh yeah, I mean I actually listened to uh, 1:54:20.720 --> 1:54:23.200 you know, Salsa and Boston Nova when I when I 1:54:23.280 --> 1:54:25.719 exercise or when I'm relaxing. Like though, maybe it's because 1:54:25.720 --> 1:54:28.080 I don't understand all the words too, and the music 1:54:28.200 --> 1:54:30.800 is so good that it takes me away and I 1:54:30.840 --> 1:54:32.840 don't focus on all the words as much. 1:54:32.920 --> 1:54:36.400 Well, what salsa art is you like? Oh? I like 1:54:36.480 --> 1:54:37.680 the old school. 1:54:37.440 --> 1:54:40.280 Stuff, you know, Cecily Cruz, And I mean I just 1:54:40.360 --> 1:54:43.240 have like the Apple playlists and I just it's it's 1:54:43.360 --> 1:54:44.800 just a great backdrop. 1:54:44.400 --> 1:54:47.640 For me to But I have Louis Bonfa is one 1:54:47.680 --> 1:54:48.280 of my favorites. 1:54:48.320 --> 1:54:53.320 He's one of the originators of Brazilian guitar, Like he 1:54:53.440 --> 1:54:56.520 came before Joe Beam. So once I got into Joe Beam, 1:54:56.880 --> 1:54:59.000 then I got into Louis Bonfa and he has a 1:54:59.080 --> 1:55:01.720 playlist that's just and I love the But if it's 1:55:01.760 --> 1:55:02.840 a social clubs. 1:55:02.640 --> 1:55:05.840 Yeah yeah, And you said Cuba, you know, yeah, you 1:55:05.880 --> 1:55:06.320 know what I'm saying. 1:55:08.800 --> 1:55:11.040 So this is something I've been runner in this whole time. 1:55:11.120 --> 1:55:15.840 You came in with your shirt off, but your chest 1:55:16.000 --> 1:55:18.240 is red, but your face is not. 1:55:18.400 --> 1:55:20.840 I'm irish. What the hell is going on? Is it 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:24.400 rare a little red? It's because I've been playing tennis 1:55:24.440 --> 1:55:28.200 and ship you're taking your shirt off playing tennis? Is 1:55:28.680 --> 1:55:31.880 I know? I was in Cabo and that's what I took. 1:55:32.040 --> 1:55:33.720 I took wife you the Cabo last week and we 1:55:33.840 --> 1:55:35.160 got four days and I got burnt. 1:55:35.320 --> 1:55:37.760 Okay, Okay, she got burned too, So it was a 1:55:37.800 --> 1:55:41.320 team burnt. Okay, we're making noise for team burns, team 1:55:41.360 --> 1:55:45.000 burn Hey, you know a family, a family that burns 1:55:45.040 --> 1:55:50.120 together and stays together. So what what? What? What I mean? 1:55:50.520 --> 1:55:54.760 I'm gonna be honest with you, man, just to see 1:55:54.800 --> 1:55:58.720 you in person and to see like, like, your story 1:55:58.840 --> 1:56:02.080 is amazing man, Like you know the stuff you've been 1:56:02.160 --> 1:56:07.760 through in life, stuff that you navigated through life, even 1:56:07.880 --> 1:56:12.360 when you say like a sad days to be covering. 1:56:14.240 --> 1:56:17.600 This an amazing life to me. Like I'm sitting back saying, whoa, 1:56:18.280 --> 1:56:20.760 but is there something that you feel like you didn't 1:56:20.800 --> 1:56:31.600 do yet? Oh? You know, I would have liked I 1:56:31.640 --> 1:56:33.440 would have liked my dad to have been around with 1:56:33.480 --> 1:56:37.040 the grandkids more to see the grand kids. Yeah, I 1:56:37.080 --> 1:56:37.800 think when I think of. 1:56:37.840 --> 1:56:41.280 Myself, I've already had so much, and I still feel 1:56:41.320 --> 1:56:43.640 like at this moment, I have so much. I'm so grateful, 1:56:43.760 --> 1:56:47.400 And I have this great theory that you can't simultaneously 1:56:47.520 --> 1:56:50.320 be grateful and feel anything negative at the same time. 1:56:51.320 --> 1:56:53.200 It's impossible. You can't do it. 1:56:54.240 --> 1:56:58.200 If you're grateful, you can't feel envy, you can't feel jealousy, 1:56:58.320 --> 1:56:59.360 you can't feel rage. 1:57:00.040 --> 1:57:00.680 You're grateful. 1:57:02.640 --> 1:57:08.200 The only thing you can be is gluttonous. So I 1:57:08.320 --> 1:57:12.240 try to make sure my I put my gratitude forward. 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:13.360 Most of my day. 1:57:13.720 --> 1:57:15.720 I get anxious in the mornings. I worry about all 1:57:15.760 --> 1:57:19.080 my kids in their future. I have trouble sleeping. I 1:57:19.200 --> 1:57:22.320 worry about the day, the week, the bills, you know. 1:57:22.720 --> 1:57:25.360 Paying for private school for the next fifteen years for 1:57:25.560 --> 1:57:28.320 four kids or whatever. All these things make it hard 1:57:28.400 --> 1:57:30.600 to wake up, you know, or make it hard to sleep. 1:57:31.080 --> 1:57:33.280 But then I just before I even get out of bed, 1:57:33.440 --> 1:57:37.200 thank you, thank you. I'm so sorry. They're healthy. Here, 1:57:37.520 --> 1:57:38.480 I'm getting out of bed. 1:57:38.560 --> 1:57:41.760 I'm still here, you know, because because the things that 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:44.920 I that I had, like my dad and Andre herrel 1:57:45.360 --> 1:57:48.160 that my go tos are gone. You know, so my 1:57:48.280 --> 1:57:51.320 not and my manager or my new go tos are 1:57:51.400 --> 1:57:54.000 my kids and my lady and the friends I got, 1:57:54.080 --> 1:57:57.320 and and then it's just being grateful for those people 1:57:57.360 --> 1:57:58.280 that are still here that I. 1:57:58.320 --> 1:58:02.440 Get them, you know, and I got them. Is there 1:58:02.680 --> 1:58:07.560 anybody you ever tried to work with that didn't want 1:58:07.560 --> 1:58:09.920 to work with you? I'm sure, But you. 1:58:09.960 --> 1:58:13.760 Know, I've always probably I believe that that's why I've 1:58:13.840 --> 1:58:16.440 never asked for help. And maybe it comes from my 1:58:16.600 --> 1:58:18.560 dad not helping me right from the jump, like when 1:58:18.560 --> 1:58:22.080 I needed that grant and he was like, yeah, don't 1:58:22.120 --> 1:58:22.800 need everybody. 1:58:23.040 --> 1:58:23.200 You know. 1:58:23.280 --> 1:58:25.000 He always told me if I was writing a good song, 1:58:25.040 --> 1:58:26.520 he said, now you need to learn how to produce. 1:58:26.600 --> 1:58:27.920 And if I was producing, he said, now you should 1:58:28.000 --> 1:58:29.400 learn how to play guitar. If I was learning guitar, 1:58:29.440 --> 1:58:31.240 is it now you should learn how to do hard resourceful. 1:58:31.320 --> 1:58:32.800 He was always trying to make sure that I had 1:58:32.920 --> 1:58:35.280 enough resources because he went through the same experience. He 1:58:35.400 --> 1:58:37.920 had some ups and downs in his career, and when 1:58:38.000 --> 1:58:41.200 they when he had an L took an L on 1:58:41.280 --> 1:58:43.919 one of his shows or whatever, he almost got canceled. 1:58:44.040 --> 1:58:46.640 You know, from the whole system, people turned their backs 1:58:46.680 --> 1:58:47.840 on him and this and that. So he was like, 1:58:48.200 --> 1:58:50.640 I'm never gonna let that happen again. I'm gonna I'm 1:58:50.680 --> 1:58:51.600 gonna take every job. 1:58:51.640 --> 1:58:53.640 I'm gonna make sure I have everything lined up so 1:58:53.800 --> 1:58:55.920 they can't kick me out or make me feel like 1:58:56.040 --> 1:58:58.120 I was kicked out. You know. I saw an interview 1:58:59.080 --> 1:58:59.920 that ETV. 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:01.680 He posted it, but it's an old interview with you 1:59:01.760 --> 1:59:03.680 and him, I think on the set of Yeah, and 1:59:04.400 --> 1:59:07.520 he looked he just seems so proud of you, and 1:59:08.160 --> 1:59:08.480 he was. 1:59:08.760 --> 1:59:11.080 He It's funny how he was always trying to get 1:59:11.120 --> 1:59:12.600 me to be better and do better. And that's what 1:59:12.640 --> 1:59:14.520 I remember. But then you hear how much he was 1:59:14.600 --> 1:59:17.200 telling all of his friends, all his friends. Tell me, now, oh, 1:59:17.240 --> 1:59:19.560 your dad was always talking about you, always bragging about 1:59:19.560 --> 1:59:20.120 you always, you know. 1:59:20.520 --> 1:59:22.520 And that's how That's how our parents are. You know. 1:59:22.600 --> 1:59:25.800 They challenge us, but they're usually out there bragging about 1:59:25.840 --> 1:59:27.120 us the whole time. 1:59:27.160 --> 1:59:31.120 Also, so I'm not gonna lie. It seems like because 1:59:31.120 --> 1:59:35.560 they say Jamaica has got the most jobs, whose dame? 1:59:37.240 --> 1:59:41.840 My dad was definitely Jamaican. My dad was definitely is 1:59:42.000 --> 1:59:43.400 definitely part Jamaican. 1:59:48.040 --> 1:59:53.680 So now let me ask you, you know, me. I've 1:59:54.040 --> 1:59:58.600 been making music since nineteen ninety seven. I've been all over, 1:59:58.840 --> 2:00:06.600 all over, I've been places, and there's always like certain 2:00:06.680 --> 2:00:09.720 fans that come up to me that look nothing like me, 2:00:10.840 --> 2:00:13.080 who are nothing like me, and they'll come up to 2:00:13.120 --> 2:00:15.440 me and they'll be like, what's up, normal, and they'll 2:00:16.160 --> 2:00:20.400 actually know my story? What's what's one of the craziest 2:00:20.680 --> 2:00:22.680 stories of fans ever came up to you and just 2:00:23.000 --> 2:00:23.760 like and just like. 2:00:25.400 --> 2:00:26.920 Talk to you and just like and you were like, 2:00:26.960 --> 2:00:29.760 you're looking at you you like me? Oh, you mean 2:00:29.880 --> 2:00:33.360 like like somebody that I really like? Old people always 2:00:34.240 --> 2:00:39.240 regular fan, regular what's the crazy interaction with a Reglar fans? Oh? Man, 2:00:40.000 --> 2:00:43.760 I wouldn't even know. Your life is too dope. It's 2:00:43.840 --> 2:00:47.080 just it's no, it's just like no, no, because it's 2:00:47.120 --> 2:00:47.720 it's been fun. 2:00:47.840 --> 2:00:51.280 The different age groups, like you know, first of all, 2:00:51.520 --> 2:00:55.360 ninety percent of my audience is black women, Black women 2:00:55.480 --> 2:00:56.640 like you coming to my show. 2:00:56.760 --> 2:00:59.560 There's a few scattered Pepperdin like Gary Owens. 2:00:59.280 --> 2:01:01.880 You know what I mean, Like, yeah, I don't, I 2:01:01.920 --> 2:01:03.560 don't get a and so like if I walk through 2:01:03.560 --> 2:01:07.240 the airport, let's say twenty thirty percent white people recognize 2:01:07.280 --> 2:01:10.040 men black people would recognize me, you know what I mean. 2:01:10.080 --> 2:01:12.520 And that's how for me. And that's even if I 2:01:12.600 --> 2:01:14.760 make I call everybody, walk by somebody, I'm like, well, 2:01:14.880 --> 2:01:16.800 you know what I mean, we know each other, you 2:01:16.880 --> 2:01:22.560 know what I mean. So and the beauty, and that's 2:01:22.600 --> 2:01:24.480 what I mean is that I'm not I. 2:01:24.920 --> 2:01:27.920 That is my brother, that's these are, this is my culture, 2:01:28.000 --> 2:01:30.560 this is my fans, this is these are my my godfather, 2:01:30.760 --> 2:01:34.200 my mentor, and my ex wife. But you know what 2:01:34.240 --> 2:01:36.440 I mean, there's nothing in my life that hasn't been 2:01:36.600 --> 2:01:39.760 me being a part or wanting to be embraced and 2:01:39.840 --> 2:01:41.440 appreciate black culture. 2:01:41.160 --> 2:01:44.200 You know. And and so that when I walk it, 2:01:44.320 --> 2:01:45.960 I live it. And that's why I think it's possible 2:01:46.040 --> 2:01:47.760 for all of us to walk and live with that 2:01:47.920 --> 2:01:50.120 kind of harmony. You know. Damn I love that so much. 2:01:52.040 --> 2:01:53.480 I tell you the truth. You know. 2:01:53.600 --> 2:01:55.920 That's that's one of my friends over there, that my 2:01:56.040 --> 2:01:58.760 friend diego and I use his white privilege. 2:02:00.680 --> 2:02:04.160 I'm just I'm just being honest. Like if we go outside, 2:02:04.240 --> 2:02:06.920 we jogging, I'm like, they go in the front, they 2:02:06.920 --> 2:02:09.640 ain't gonna hit you in the car and then go 2:02:09.720 --> 2:02:13.800 around this motherfucker Like yeah, we were outside at night time. 2:02:13.840 --> 2:02:18.240 They're going around him and listen. No, I said this 2:02:18.320 --> 2:02:20.880 story on Dream Chances before, but I remember this. I 2:02:21.080 --> 2:02:25.240 was probably still at the highlight of my rap career. 2:02:25.400 --> 2:02:29.320 Whatever, right, still rapping. We're in Amsterdam at a bar. 2:02:30.680 --> 2:02:34.080 Already sounds good. It actually gives me a little wicked though. 2:02:34.600 --> 2:02:38.640 So I walk out. I'm the platinum artist, I'm the 2:02:38.800 --> 2:02:42.400 guy who got us all here, were here. I walk out. 2:02:42.520 --> 2:02:45.720 They stopped me, say you can't bring that beer outside? 2:02:45.760 --> 2:02:49.200 Sir say all right, cool, no problem, go to Smoer cigarette, 2:02:49.240 --> 2:02:52.200 smooth s cigatta at a time. They go clearly picked 2:02:52.240 --> 2:02:57.520 up both of the beers and walked right out. And 2:02:57.640 --> 2:03:01.400 we did that six times the whole night, and every 2:03:01.520 --> 2:03:07.120 single time the man stopped and let him you cannot 2:03:07.200 --> 2:03:07.840 drink out here. 2:03:08.480 --> 2:03:11.760 And I could have easily been like, listen, listen, oh yeah, 2:03:12.000 --> 2:03:13.120 why you. 2:03:13.760 --> 2:03:15.440 Had the moments where we're like, you know what the fuck? 2:03:16.320 --> 2:03:18.320 Like I could have easily been like, you know what? 2:03:18.400 --> 2:03:19.960 The fun and I was just like, you know what, 2:03:21.240 --> 2:03:23.600 I still win. My beer is still outside. 2:03:26.240 --> 2:03:27.960 You think, yeah, you think you did something. 2:03:28.600 --> 2:03:31.320 I still get my beer outside, and I swear to God, 2:03:31.400 --> 2:03:37.600 so uh yeah, because no, that's that's real. Like me 2:03:37.760 --> 2:03:41.360 thinking about it to this day, it still actually hits me. 2:03:41.920 --> 2:03:43.800 It hits me because you know what I grew up. 2:03:44.120 --> 2:03:48.040 I grew up in Queens, and in Queens, you literally 2:03:48.160 --> 2:03:49.120 cannot be racist. 2:03:49.560 --> 2:03:54.520 Let me tell you why. Your neighbor's wife, your other 2:03:54.640 --> 2:03:57.040 neighbors for the pino, your other. 2:03:57.000 --> 2:04:01.000 Neighbors Haitian melting pot, your other neighbor's Russian. 2:04:03.160 --> 2:04:07.000 This is for Queens. We are the United Nations of everybody. 2:04:08.000 --> 2:04:11.960 If you're Chinese, I literally would come home at night 2:04:12.560 --> 2:04:14.880 from from where I live, I would smell Chinese food, 2:04:15.080 --> 2:04:19.440 Russian food, Hatien food, Filipino food of course, Puerto Rican food, 2:04:19.600 --> 2:04:23.760 have Puerto Rican, and then soul food. God damnit, Jamaican food. 2:04:24.240 --> 2:04:25.960 I was outside eat jamaking food already. 2:04:26.400 --> 2:04:26.920 It was outside. 2:04:26.920 --> 2:04:30.360 I already eat you making foods. But literally, literally you 2:04:30.440 --> 2:04:33.520 can't be racist. So is that something that you have 2:04:33.640 --> 2:04:37.560 to ever navigate through? Like you know, I'm paying around 2:04:37.600 --> 2:04:40.520 with my white friend like saying that, But it's something 2:04:40.600 --> 2:04:46.000 that literally we do you sometimes at certain points, I 2:04:46.080 --> 2:04:46.640 do use them. 2:04:46.680 --> 2:04:49.920 I do, I say, you go, I know, I know. 2:04:51.880 --> 2:04:53.480 Is that something you have to have to go through 2:04:53.600 --> 2:04:56.320 for your one of your friends for us. Clearly you 2:04:56.480 --> 2:04:57.240 have black friends. 2:04:57.480 --> 2:05:00.200 Oh yeah, I mean I just I just Oh I 2:05:00.280 --> 2:05:03.000 do remember a scenario. Yeah, when I was with I 2:05:03.120 --> 2:05:07.040 was about fourteen, and I was with my singing group Buddies, 2:05:07.600 --> 2:05:10.280 and they had a girl at a mall out and 2:05:11.040 --> 2:05:13.240 you know, an hour out of town or something, who 2:05:13.320 --> 2:05:15.240 had to hook up on a discount of some clothes 2:05:15.320 --> 2:05:15.600 or something. 2:05:15.680 --> 2:05:17.280 Right, so we were going to go raid the store 2:05:17.320 --> 2:05:19.680 and get the fifty percent discount. Blah blah blah. Right, 2:05:20.320 --> 2:05:24.120 So I'm in my basketball uniform from my prep school. 2:05:24.160 --> 2:05:25.880 It even says Montclair Prep on it. 2:05:26.040 --> 2:05:29.400 Wow, and we run in. We come out to the 2:05:29.480 --> 2:05:31.000 stories with clothes. We get in the car and the 2:05:31.040 --> 2:05:33.000 two police cars show up. It's you know, maybe they're 2:05:33.080 --> 2:05:35.920 just closing hours, right, cops pulled me. It's me and 2:05:36.000 --> 2:05:39.320 my three in my singing buddies, my singing group, my 2:05:39.400 --> 2:05:40.240 three black friends. 2:05:40.360 --> 2:05:41.720 And they pulled me out of the car. 2:05:41.800 --> 2:05:44.480 And asked me and pulled me aside and asked me 2:05:44.640 --> 2:05:47.720 if I was safe and if they had been kidnapped 2:05:47.800 --> 2:05:48.920 and if I mean. 2:05:50.880 --> 2:05:52.080 Fun literally. 2:05:53.520 --> 2:05:56.920 This is they brought me here to get free closed 2:05:58.360 --> 2:05:58.680 my boy. 2:05:58.720 --> 2:06:02.600 They teaching me how to say and I was so offend. 2:06:02.640 --> 2:06:04.440 Then that's when the white offended gets it. That's where 2:06:04.440 --> 2:06:08.560 the Karen kicks in. How tere you? These are my friends. 2:06:09.400 --> 2:06:12.760 I'm polling my mother right now. I'm probably my mother 2:06:12.880 --> 2:06:15.160 and Sherman Oaks, and I want you to get on 2:06:15.200 --> 2:06:18.240 the phone with her. Oh it's when the white boy 2:06:18.400 --> 2:06:21.800 kicks in and we have an attorney, I know two attorneys. 2:06:25.040 --> 2:06:29.280 I'll see you at coast of Mexic corn. Yeah. No, 2:06:29.480 --> 2:06:31.200 I mean that that shit is real. And the thing 2:06:31.320 --> 2:06:34.200 is is that, you know, we just it's out there, man. 2:06:34.240 --> 2:06:34.880 And that's why we. 2:06:34.960 --> 2:06:39.360 Love the big cities because at least more influence, more information, 2:06:39.600 --> 2:06:41.480 more cultural difference is more and more more. 2:06:41.560 --> 2:06:44.800 And I have this theory that whatever a family does, 2:06:46.680 --> 2:06:49.840 patriarch or a matriarch, they just don't want this in 2:06:49.960 --> 2:06:52.160 their family. Whatever it is, I just don't want that. 2:06:52.200 --> 2:06:53.840 I'm not going to have that in this house. I'm 2:06:53.880 --> 2:06:56.040 not gonna have that. It always shows up, of course, 2:06:56.720 --> 2:06:58.320 well it always shows up. 2:06:59.360 --> 2:07:04.080 Whatever thing, whatever you whatever, your grandfather was afraid never 2:07:04.160 --> 2:07:05.240 wanted to happen in his family. 2:07:05.280 --> 2:07:08.520 Oh, it's it's in the kitchen now. It's making right, 2:07:09.320 --> 2:07:12.080 you count on that. Yeah, it's making it. 2:07:13.200 --> 2:07:15.600 And I think that's the beauty of that's the work 2:07:15.640 --> 2:07:17.920 of God in some ways. You know, we need to 2:07:18.040 --> 2:07:20.520 keep If your mind is that closed and your family's 2:07:20.560 --> 2:07:22.600 not moving forward, and you're not opening your heart and 2:07:22.640 --> 2:07:24.800 your mind and your spirit, then something is going to 2:07:24.880 --> 2:07:27.760 force you to open it or close it forever. But 2:07:28.080 --> 2:07:30.320 something's going to happen in your family or your life. 2:07:30.360 --> 2:07:32.840 It's going to open you to force your heart. So 2:07:33.040 --> 2:07:35.400 let me ask you to force you to open your heart. 2:07:36.360 --> 2:07:39.680 Let me is probably one like serious, serious question I'm 2:07:39.680 --> 2:07:44.080 gonna ask, right, Like I said, with the story of 2:07:44.120 --> 2:07:47.600 one friend, like literally I had the best idea. I 2:07:47.720 --> 2:07:49.080 was like, I'm not going to let this guy ruin 2:07:49.200 --> 2:07:55.040 my vacation or ruin well I'm not doing right. But 2:07:55.400 --> 2:08:01.000 at that same time, you know, there's black children that's 2:08:01.040 --> 2:08:04.000 getting killed every single day by the hands of the police, 2:08:05.640 --> 2:08:09.840 and you have mixed children. And I remember one of 2:08:09.920 --> 2:08:13.440 the illest stories I ever heard what Steve Rifkins telling me. 2:08:14.560 --> 2:08:18.600 It was at Wally's, you know Waally's in Beverly Hills, 2:08:19.040 --> 2:08:23.080 and Steve Rickman telling me literally because he has his kids, 2:08:24.000 --> 2:08:27.680 well some one of his kids looked white, and then 2:08:27.720 --> 2:08:31.960 the two others look black, and how his kids would 2:08:32.040 --> 2:08:35.000 leave his house and the black kids would get pulled 2:08:35.000 --> 2:08:37.840 over that looked but they both, they both, they all 2:08:37.920 --> 2:08:41.560 three was his kids. I'm sorry, I'm paraphrasing how I'm 2:08:41.600 --> 2:08:43.520 saying the story. But what I'm saying is is that 2:08:43.600 --> 2:08:47.240 something I'm sorry this is it's a serious question, but 2:08:47.600 --> 2:08:51.920 I mean, it's it's something that I think about all 2:08:52.000 --> 2:08:55.160 the time. Is is that something that you worry about? 2:08:55.560 --> 2:08:58.240 I don't. My kids are pretty fair, okay. 2:08:59.160 --> 2:09:02.480 And and because I grew up with all of these 2:09:02.560 --> 2:09:05.480 being pulled over experiences. That wasn't the only time my 2:09:05.560 --> 2:09:07.560 friends were pulled over. We were We would be on 2:09:08.480 --> 2:09:10.600 our way to my father had a place out in 2:09:10.920 --> 2:09:14.560 Santa Barbara, and I'd be driving with my friends and 2:09:15.120 --> 2:09:17.160 we just get pulled over and have to get searched out, 2:09:17.200 --> 2:09:18.840 you know what I mean. Luckily none of them spoke. 2:09:18.880 --> 2:09:21.120 I just before I ever smoked weed, and they were singers. 2:09:22.440 --> 2:09:24.640 But we get pulled over just for being black for 2:09:24.760 --> 2:09:25.200 most of us. 2:09:26.400 --> 2:09:28.760 Then I started, man, we got pulled over for being black. 2:09:31.440 --> 2:09:37.120 Somebody slapper, somebody slapped this white boat. Please, it's wrong 2:09:37.200 --> 2:09:38.000 with this young man. 2:09:39.520 --> 2:09:41.680 But yeah, No, I grew up because I was always 2:09:41.720 --> 2:09:44.120 around the culture and and and and all my and 2:09:44.280 --> 2:09:47.320 most of my friends were black. That yeah, I experienced 2:09:47.320 --> 2:09:48.720 it all the time, and I would be the first 2:09:48.800 --> 2:09:51.120 I remember fighting my extended family. 2:09:51.200 --> 2:09:54.320 My dad was very open minded. My dad wrote jokes 2:09:54.360 --> 2:09:56.919 with Richard Pryor. You know my dad managed Felippe. 2:09:58.080 --> 2:09:59.680 Yeah, he worked one of the early He would sit 2:09:59.760 --> 2:10:01.320 any We always bragged about it and said, you know, 2:10:01.360 --> 2:10:03.600 I would just uh, I could get him going and say, hey, 2:10:03.680 --> 2:10:05.760 mud boone, what did you do with that girl last night? 2:10:05.880 --> 2:10:06.000 Oh? 2:10:06.120 --> 2:10:06.320 Let me. 2:10:06.560 --> 2:10:08.680 Then Richard would go on his rants and but they 2:10:08.720 --> 2:10:13.120 would have these writing sessions, and so my dad always 2:10:13.720 --> 2:10:16.480 felt felt like he was a white man in the 2:10:16.560 --> 2:10:18.680 midst of you know, black culture in some ways. And 2:10:18.760 --> 2:10:22.360 I respected his open mindedness and my mom saying, uh, 2:10:22.640 --> 2:10:24.320 you know, had her hit with a black man. So 2:10:24.760 --> 2:10:29.080 I literally come from an open minded Hollywood hippie you 2:10:29.200 --> 2:10:30.440 know type family. 2:10:31.240 --> 2:10:34.360 So that gave me the right perspective to to grow 2:10:34.440 --> 2:10:36.200 into that world. Man. 2:10:36.280 --> 2:10:44.560 That dope answer I ever heard, because like, you know, 2:10:44.960 --> 2:10:48.360 I got just like I'm somewhat of a therapist, right. 2:10:53.200 --> 2:10:56.040 You saying you're somewhat of a therapist or a comedian 2:11:02.200 --> 2:11:05.280 Clearly I didn't make the right choice in friends. Clearly 2:11:06.400 --> 2:11:10.760 they just laughed. They just laugh. 2:11:11.320 --> 2:11:14.040 No, But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is 2:11:14.080 --> 2:11:17.760 I assess people I have to like. And what I'm 2:11:17.800 --> 2:11:20.280 trying to say is man like, I like, we went 2:11:20.360 --> 2:11:21.240 through your lisography. 2:11:21.360 --> 2:11:25.200 I have never seen like so much. Stories just keep 2:11:25.280 --> 2:11:29.400 popping up and it's like, wow, how are you? How 2:11:29.440 --> 2:11:30.840 are you not? Insane? 2:11:31.000 --> 2:11:37.080 How are you not Britney Spears halfway your your hair 2:11:37.200 --> 2:11:39.440 cut off and insane? One the weekend? 2:11:39.560 --> 2:11:44.320 You know what I gotta say, Good woman, This good 2:11:44.400 --> 2:11:51.560 woman will do that for you. He is called I'm 2:11:51.600 --> 2:11:55.240 going home at night myself, sir. Yes, yes, good woman. 2:11:55.480 --> 2:11:57.600 You know she'll just should make you think the right 2:11:57.680 --> 2:11:59.600 way and make you clean up what you need to 2:11:59.600 --> 2:12:01.440 clean up up, and make you respect what needs to 2:12:01.440 --> 2:12:05.040 be respected and and uh and if you love that woman. 2:12:04.960 --> 2:12:10.040 Enough, you'll you'll get it right. Okay. So I mean 2:12:12.200 --> 2:12:14.120 that's my next lyric. Can we can you guys send 2:12:14.160 --> 2:12:17.120 me that? Yeah, right now, you got I'm gonna turn 2:12:17.160 --> 2:12:21.320 that into falsetto. I'm gonna turn that into something falsetto. 2:12:21.840 --> 2:12:25.560 Listening to the album and I want you, I want you. 2:12:26.480 --> 2:12:28.840 Please don't cut that part out. No, no, no, got you, No, no, 2:12:29.520 --> 2:12:30.880 that part of the one points. 2:12:30.960 --> 2:12:33.640 But I get home, but I want to ask you 2:12:33.840 --> 2:12:36.440 as as a And I met Porter before I met 2:12:37.120 --> 2:12:37.840 with shot him. 2:12:38.120 --> 2:12:42.000 Yeah, oh love, shot shot him. Shot Damn. 2:12:42.000 --> 2:12:43.600 I don't even know because I still go out there. 2:12:43.680 --> 2:12:46.840 Well I can say it, so whole house amountable. I 2:12:47.000 --> 2:12:49.960 met her, probably one of the sweetest women I ever met. 2:12:51.560 --> 2:12:54.560 Everyone say one man garbage is the next man's trash 2:12:54.760 --> 2:12:57.720 or whatever. That's not what I'm asking. What I'm asking 2:12:57.920 --> 2:13:04.920 is to me from the outside. Can Yeah, one may 2:13:05.080 --> 2:13:09.560 be sent look like a perfect woman. Did you mess 2:13:09.720 --> 2:13:15.000 that up? Or you know that's that's one of those things. No, no, no, 2:13:15.040 --> 2:13:17.520 because we already went over this. It was there's a growth, 2:13:17.600 --> 2:13:20.600 there's a thing that goes apart. I mean, and what 2:13:20.760 --> 2:13:24.720 you you know, what you see is not always what's 2:13:24.760 --> 2:13:26.680 going on at home, you know what I mean? And 2:13:28.960 --> 2:13:32.480 it Yeah, and I think that there was so there 2:13:32.640 --> 2:13:37.600 was endless love and partnership and creativity, but also two 2:13:37.720 --> 2:13:41.280 careers that we're spending six to eight months away from 2:13:41.280 --> 2:13:43.400 each other, baby going back and forth. 2:13:43.920 --> 2:13:46.800 We're not she's working twelve hour days. I'm working twelve 2:13:46.880 --> 2:13:48.360 hour days, we're in different cities. 2:13:48.560 --> 2:13:50.840 We didn't see each other for six months of the 2:13:50.960 --> 2:13:53.720 year for a few years in a row, even more maybe, 2:13:54.280 --> 2:13:56.400 And that that takes a toll, you know, it just 2:13:56.520 --> 2:13:59.120 naturally it takes a toll. And you and I think 2:13:59.160 --> 2:14:00.839 that doesn't matter how much love. 2:14:00.680 --> 2:14:06.839 And respect you have. Sometimes time apart, you know, breeds 2:14:08.240 --> 2:14:11.080 different lives, two different lifestyles, two different lives to different 2:14:11.120 --> 2:14:14.520 thought processes, you know. And I just think we had 2:14:14.560 --> 2:14:17.000 it all and and we grew apart. Is the is 2:14:17.080 --> 2:14:19.320 the nicest way to put it. Man, I'm taking a 2:14:19.320 --> 2:14:24.200 shot for you, not for that forgot. I'm just saying, 2:14:25.560 --> 2:14:28.480 and I don't. And honestly, in hindsight, it was the 2:14:28.520 --> 2:14:30.760 best it was. It was the right thing. Like, there's 2:14:30.800 --> 2:14:32.360 no regret there, if that's what you're asking. 2:14:32.600 --> 2:14:34.640 What I'm you know, what's the best thing about it 2:14:34.840 --> 2:14:38.560 is regardless he was right wrong, in between whatever, you 2:14:38.680 --> 2:14:43.960 didn't have a messy breakup to us outside looking at it, Yeah, yeah, 2:14:43.960 --> 2:14:45.760 I looked at it like it was amicable. 2:14:46.880 --> 2:15:04.680 Well, you must have missed a fut stories I was trying. Honestly, 2:15:05.720 --> 2:15:08.200 we're way past all that. Her and I are excellent 2:15:08.240 --> 2:15:08.840 co parents. 2:15:08.920 --> 2:15:13.160 She's an amazing mother and I got you know what 2:15:13.680 --> 2:15:17.720 you there's luck in picking or being able to start 2:15:17.760 --> 2:15:20.720 a family with a woman of that quality. I know 2:15:21.320 --> 2:15:23.560 that my son has a great influence for the rest 2:15:23.600 --> 2:15:26.600 of his life. She has a great mother. She's a 2:15:26.640 --> 2:15:29.560 great mother, and so there's only positive things have come 2:15:29.600 --> 2:15:30.360 out from that sense. 2:15:30.760 --> 2:15:34.840 Damn man, God that he answered everything supposed to be 2:15:35.600 --> 2:15:37.840 a good way. That's where I only feel that way 2:15:37.840 --> 2:15:41.560 that's got matter is how your son comes out of And. 2:15:41.600 --> 2:15:43.800 One thing that that we can say at the time, 2:15:43.920 --> 2:15:45.440 she didn't want to have any more kids and I 2:15:45.520 --> 2:15:47.960 wanted to have many, And that's a that's an important 2:15:48.000 --> 2:15:49.040 factor in a relationship. 2:15:49.160 --> 2:15:53.000 You can here, no, I want it was different women. 2:15:53.120 --> 2:15:57.120 That's Nick Cannon here. I don't know what's going on. 2:15:57.880 --> 2:16:00.440 This is my friend. I cannot you at just wit 2:16:00.880 --> 2:16:06.920 you are all here busting in every day a TV show. 2:16:07.480 --> 2:16:09.680 She sees the What I love about Nick is there's 2:16:09.760 --> 2:16:13.480 he's got this bulletproof you know sense about himself, like 2:16:13.560 --> 2:16:17.680 he's just he's one of the most hard working, he's 2:16:17.680 --> 2:16:20.720 a great, one of the most helpful to his community, 2:16:20.880 --> 2:16:23.680 to everyone around him. Like he is just a solid 2:16:23.760 --> 2:16:27.040 upon solid so we all are laughing and enjoying this. 2:16:27.280 --> 2:16:29.480 But you know, him and I have had a serious conversation, 2:16:29.680 --> 2:16:33.040 like I am devoted, have devoted my life to my 2:16:33.120 --> 2:16:36.000 four kids. You get your spread yourself in and you 2:16:36.160 --> 2:16:37.680 do have a big heart like him. 2:16:37.600 --> 2:16:38.640 And you are a great. 2:16:40.240 --> 2:16:42.680 He's such a great guy and and you know it's 2:16:42.879 --> 2:16:45.240 it's hard to give all of that love that he 2:16:45.360 --> 2:16:46.600 has to everybody, you know. 2:16:46.680 --> 2:16:49.080 So we have spoken about that. But if anyone can 2:16:49.160 --> 2:16:51.720 do it, Nick Cannon can't. Let's take a shot to 2:16:52.240 --> 2:16:55.920 n anybody can. If anybody can do it, you can, Nick. 2:16:55.800 --> 2:16:58.760 God, Damn God, damn Nick Cannon. Whatever, Nick, wrap it up, 2:16:58.879 --> 2:16:59.400 super Nick. 2:16:59.440 --> 2:17:02.880 We love you. I get to play. Were doing it? 2:17:04.320 --> 2:17:10.760 Yoh on my one man? I got, I got, I 2:17:10.800 --> 2:17:14.640 got Okay, I still need a smoke breaks look at 2:17:14.640 --> 2:17:18.480 the picture. Okay, Yeah we can wrap it up. Okay, 2:17:18.920 --> 2:17:21.560 we spoke about love at the walk. I'm good. I 2:17:21.640 --> 2:17:23.920 think as long as it's okay, as long as he 2:17:23.959 --> 2:17:27.440 takes this, that's a fact. Yeah. 2:17:27.760 --> 2:17:32.040 I had this Yugoslavian billionaire fly me out to this 2:17:32.240 --> 2:17:36.000 southest south of Spain, to Barbia, right to work on 2:17:36.120 --> 2:17:37.080 his daughter's album. 2:17:37.240 --> 2:17:40.760 She was like fourteen years old, and and that was 2:17:40.800 --> 2:17:44.960 the first time I ever smoked cash. Half this fantastic. 2:17:46.520 --> 2:17:48.520 You know you're still listen, you still owe me. You 2:17:48.600 --> 2:17:53.000 gotta smoke, No, no, you gotta smoke. I know math, Yeah, yeah, 2:17:53.280 --> 2:17:55.440 I know math, math too, and I know what I 2:17:55.520 --> 2:18:01.920 agree change it. I know math. Math. It's getting there yet, 2:18:06.080 --> 2:18:10.840 bet I'll tell you about it. Oh what's your what's your? 2:18:10.879 --> 2:18:13.640 What's what? What do you like more? Making the record 2:18:13.760 --> 2:18:17.000 or performing the record? Oh? They both have their joys 2:18:17.240 --> 2:18:31.800 the the we were doing it. You need to explain 2:18:31.879 --> 2:18:33.360 why both. Please explain. 2:18:33.520 --> 2:18:38.160 The creation of the record is a connection to God. 2:18:39.120 --> 2:18:43.480 It's something that is between me and God. The moment 2:18:43.520 --> 2:18:47.240 I'm at the piano, something's happening, the feeling comes. 2:18:47.040 --> 2:18:48.760 Through you, the words start to come through you. 2:18:49.320 --> 2:18:54.920 You know you're connected to something that's larger than you 2:18:55.120 --> 2:18:57.520 in some way. Because it's going to become larger than you. 2:18:57.680 --> 2:18:59.920 Somebody else will hear it, someone else will feel it. 2:19:00.040 --> 2:19:01.920 Ause you know it's that good. I don't feel that 2:19:01.959 --> 2:19:04.520 way about most songs. I do feel that way every 2:19:04.520 --> 2:19:06.520 once in a while, I'm writing a song and I 2:19:06.680 --> 2:19:09.160 know what I'm writing, and I know that it means 2:19:09.240 --> 2:19:11.320 that much to me, and if it means that much 2:19:11.360 --> 2:19:13.200 to me, it's going to mean that much to someone else. 2:19:14.120 --> 2:19:16.640 And so when it's pure that way, that's your moment 2:19:16.760 --> 2:19:19.640 with God as you flow the the. 2:19:21.120 --> 2:19:24.240 The feeling of being on stage is the feeling. 2:19:24.040 --> 2:19:29.680 Of community, of state, of family, of friendship, of connection. 2:19:29.879 --> 2:19:32.640 It's the It's the moment where you are connected to 2:19:32.760 --> 2:19:33.680 the rest of the world. 2:19:34.320 --> 2:19:38.240 But the creation is go straight up. The performance goes 2:19:38.280 --> 2:19:41.400 straight out and comes back. You know what I mean. 2:19:44.600 --> 2:19:46.080 Deepest ship ever. 2:19:47.520 --> 2:19:49.800 By the way you're a party to only gets worth 2:19:49.879 --> 2:19:52.520 both that you are you are you are drinking and 2:19:52.640 --> 2:19:53.279 getting deeper. 2:19:56.160 --> 2:19:58.520 I'm trying to trick you and it's not working well. 2:19:59.160 --> 2:20:01.440 I spend a lot of I'm working on myself, for 2:20:01.560 --> 2:20:03.800 better or worse, and that's what That's what the evolution 2:20:03.920 --> 2:20:06.039 of Robin Thick and a Lot and my last album 2:20:06.160 --> 2:20:08.440 was called On Earth and in Heaven because it was 2:20:08.480 --> 2:20:10.880 about the people. It was about losing Andre and my dad, 2:20:10.920 --> 2:20:12.240 the people that are in heaven and the people that 2:20:12.280 --> 2:20:16.280 are still here. So I'm constantly working on my place 2:20:16.360 --> 2:20:18.680 in this world, my place in my family, my place 2:20:18.800 --> 2:20:24.960 within myself. And that self analyzation sometimes makes you get stuck, 2:20:25.560 --> 2:20:27.600 you know what I mean. You have to remind yourself 2:20:27.640 --> 2:20:29.880 to get out of it, because maybe you're doing too 2:20:30.000 --> 2:20:33.880 much inner work that you're not present with the people 2:20:33.959 --> 2:20:35.600 that are right there in front of you. So as 2:20:35.640 --> 2:20:38.680 an artist, I can sometimes be walking around and creating 2:20:38.800 --> 2:20:41.600 and working but not being present enough. 2:20:41.680 --> 2:20:47.879 So I try to balance it too, because as I'm 2:20:47.920 --> 2:20:51.400 hearing you talk, it just sounds like you work work, work, work, 2:20:51.480 --> 2:20:56.080 work work. What does a vacation I feel like even 2:20:56.120 --> 2:20:57.040 when I'm on vacation. 2:20:57.200 --> 2:20:59.440 I got my headphones, yeah, and my lyric pad, you 2:20:59.480 --> 2:21:02.280 know what I mean? Because that that means because it 2:21:02.360 --> 2:21:04.600 doesn't It just doesn't come enough. It doesn't come as 2:21:04.680 --> 2:21:07.120 much as it used to. I don't have as much time, 2:21:07.680 --> 2:21:10.279 and I don't I don't have as much space for creativity, 2:21:10.320 --> 2:21:13.560 thank you. So I try to remind myself to be 2:21:13.720 --> 2:21:16.480 ready for that lightning bolt, because that when that lightning 2:21:16.520 --> 2:21:20.400 bolt comes it usually I usually write the song in 2:21:20.520 --> 2:21:22.560 five to ten minutes, and the all the other ones 2:21:22.640 --> 2:21:25.400 take hours and hours and hours. But those lightning bolts 2:21:25.840 --> 2:21:27.920 that are pure and they might not even come for 2:21:28.000 --> 2:21:30.720 two years. It might take two years to have a 2:21:30.800 --> 2:21:32.280 lighting bolt, and then you get five in a row, 2:21:32.400 --> 2:21:34.160 you know what I mean. So I think you, just 2:21:34.240 --> 2:21:39.920 as an artist, you can also excuse yourself in the 2:21:40.000 --> 2:21:43.800 presence of others by saying you're creating, so it becomes 2:21:43.879 --> 2:21:45.199 an excuse. 2:21:45.480 --> 2:21:46.640 It can at times, it can. 2:21:46.800 --> 2:21:49.400 It can be a way to create some separation or 2:21:49.440 --> 2:21:51.440 space when I need it, because I I really do 2:21:51.600 --> 2:21:54.600 wake up every day trying to give to either give 2:21:54.640 --> 2:21:56.840 to the art, give to the family, give to your 2:21:57.320 --> 2:21:59.480 give to just give more than you ask for, you 2:21:59.520 --> 2:22:02.280 know what I mean, And then you end up receiving 2:22:02.400 --> 2:22:04.680 a lot because you're giving more than you're asking for. 2:22:05.560 --> 2:22:07.560 I don't know you're gonna leave, So let me ask you. 2:22:08.600 --> 2:22:10.720 They said a great artists have to go through pain. 2:22:13.000 --> 2:22:14.480 Is that something that you feel like you have to 2:22:14.560 --> 2:22:16.520 go through in order for you to make great music? 2:22:16.879 --> 2:22:19.560 You have to go through? Yeah? I think that. Are 2:22:19.600 --> 2:22:22.240 you a masochist? Because you know what we talked about 2:22:22.280 --> 2:22:22.680 this earlier. 2:22:22.720 --> 2:22:25.680 I think that I I don't mind swimming in it 2:22:26.680 --> 2:22:29.360 because I know that I'm I'm swimming in it for 2:22:29.480 --> 2:22:31.680 a purpose, for an end game. I'm swimming in it 2:22:31.800 --> 2:22:34.800 to make something from it that will make me feel 2:22:34.879 --> 2:22:37.840 better and will make others feel better, and because I've 2:22:38.360 --> 2:22:40.840 I've gotten to have that connection with the evolution. 2:22:41.400 --> 2:22:43.480 That album was so personal. 2:22:43.600 --> 2:22:46.080 Every lyric on that album was me literally trying to 2:22:46.160 --> 2:22:49.080 find myself, get through the fact that I had a 2:22:49.160 --> 2:22:53.360 failed album, and and everything that I that everyone told 2:22:53.400 --> 2:22:55.480 me was gonna happen didn't happen. We had this whole 2:22:55.959 --> 2:22:58.760 peak that was supposed Jimmy Ivy, Andre Herrel Puff Day, 2:22:58.840 --> 2:23:02.200 Naomi Campmel's at the sorry here comes the album, you. 2:23:02.240 --> 2:23:02.680 Know what I mean? 2:23:03.200 --> 2:23:07.000 And then so two years later, I'm doing yoga, I'm 2:23:07.200 --> 2:23:10.000 going through all, I'm doing therapy, I'm trying to figure 2:23:10.120 --> 2:23:13.000 and all that evolution of Robin Thick album was based 2:23:13.040 --> 2:23:15.600 on who am I if I'm not a star? Who 2:23:15.680 --> 2:23:17.840 am I if I'm not famous? Who can I love 2:23:17.959 --> 2:23:19.960 myself if I don't make it? 2:23:21.120 --> 2:23:24.080 And that that's why that album ended up resonating with 2:23:24.200 --> 2:23:26.160 a lot of people, because who are you if you're 2:23:26.240 --> 2:23:26.920 not important? 2:23:28.040 --> 2:23:29.959 I related to that so much. Let me just say 2:23:30.200 --> 2:23:33.800 tell you something. I had an album called Melon Flood 2:23:33.800 --> 2:23:36.480 the Hustlers, my first album. I feel like Prel had 2:23:36.600 --> 2:23:38.880 like the most part, like he did like seven records. 2:23:39.640 --> 2:23:43.200 Every other album probably did one or two. Unflint the 2:23:43.280 --> 2:23:45.120 Hustle came out, did three and a half mics in 2:23:45.160 --> 2:23:48.160 a sauce. If you don't get four mics, you don't 2:23:48.280 --> 2:23:53.040 go go, don't go platinum. I've went to a stated depression. 2:23:53.080 --> 2:23:55.240 It's it's like the third time I heard you say, 2:23:55.480 --> 2:23:57.960 I had an album that didn't work, and it was 2:23:58.000 --> 2:23:59.920 a great album. I had an album I didn't work, 2:24:00.040 --> 2:24:02.480 was Mom the Hustle. But guess what it worked later? 2:24:04.520 --> 2:24:06.160 Do you feel like the people were wrong or do 2:24:06.240 --> 2:24:07.360 you feel like you were wrong? 2:24:08.400 --> 2:24:08.600 Well? 2:24:08.680 --> 2:24:11.600 No, I think that I think that some things are 2:24:11.680 --> 2:24:15.080 too soon, some things are you know, before their time. 2:24:15.280 --> 2:24:17.920 And and that's with the beauty of art. 2:24:18.040 --> 2:24:20.640 Is it a great movie and a great one of 2:24:20.760 --> 2:24:22.440 your songs will end up on a thing and it 2:24:22.840 --> 2:24:25.240 and then it gets another life for him and and 2:24:25.520 --> 2:24:28.080 and and it's only supposed to be appreciated by those 2:24:28.200 --> 2:24:29.039 that are that. 2:24:29.120 --> 2:24:32.520 It reaches, you know, and we can't reach everybody all 2:24:32.560 --> 2:24:35.160 the time. I'm sorry, I'm taking another shot. I'm sorry. 2:24:36.520 --> 2:24:39.040 You gotta be wropped up like the going on. 2:24:42.080 --> 2:24:44.400 I'm just being honest because I heard I heard him 2:24:44.440 --> 2:24:46.680 saying that, and he said it three times, or maybe 2:24:46.680 --> 2:24:48.200 even more than three times, and you're like, yo, I 2:24:48.240 --> 2:24:50.560 how to artist? And the thing is, we still got 2:24:50.680 --> 2:24:53.800 to come outside when you have something that to the 2:24:53.840 --> 2:24:57.080 people's perception. Instead it didn't come out, and it didn't 2:24:57.080 --> 2:24:58.920 come we still got to come outside, and we still 2:24:58.920 --> 2:25:04.840 got to smile. We still have the smartestie being entertained 2:25:04.879 --> 2:25:06.160 of fameous going to you went too bad? 2:25:06.200 --> 2:25:11.840 Are you doing it? I got so. 2:25:11.920 --> 2:25:15.959 I appreciate you being so honest and being so humble 2:25:16.000 --> 2:25:19.240 about it saying that because we still got to be 2:25:19.320 --> 2:25:21.520 who we are. And these people thought that we had 2:25:21.720 --> 2:25:24.800 a failure moment, right right, So the fact that you 2:25:24.920 --> 2:25:27.640 kept saying that all night. One, you're not avoiding it, 2:25:27.879 --> 2:25:29.120 You're saying it straight up. 2:25:29.360 --> 2:25:30.240 And then two did this. 2:25:30.600 --> 2:25:35.680 Because my album that people thought fail eventually went eventually 2:25:35.800 --> 2:25:36.440 went platinum. 2:25:36.440 --> 2:25:39.480 I love this, it eventually went platinum. So this moment 2:25:39.520 --> 2:25:42.360 you're setting me up perfectly. We're talking about my first album. 2:25:42.720 --> 2:25:45.920 I believe my first album is my greatest artistic achievement. 2:25:46.080 --> 2:25:47.800 Wow. Did you believe it then? Though? 2:25:47.840 --> 2:25:49.920 And I did then and we all did and I 2:25:50.000 --> 2:25:52.880 still do, and and the fans and the friends and 2:25:52.959 --> 2:25:57.280 the and the peers. The fact that before evolution, before 2:25:57.360 --> 2:26:01.280 lost without you that ushered jay Z for real, Naomi 2:26:01.560 --> 2:26:05.720 Seal like Puff Daddy. They were all saying, you're this 2:26:05.920 --> 2:26:10.280 is great, this music is great. So that that was 2:26:10.440 --> 2:26:13.640 enough for me at the time. Then, because Jimmy spent 2:26:13.720 --> 2:26:15.520 so much money and it didn't hit, I was all scared. 2:26:15.560 --> 2:26:16.560 I had to go to the drawing board. 2:26:16.560 --> 2:26:18.520 I wrote all these that I just had this piano 2:26:18.600 --> 2:26:20.840 and it was just me at the piano, just drilling 2:26:20.920 --> 2:26:24.480 these songs one after the other, and then something magical happened. 2:26:24.520 --> 2:26:24.640 You know. 2:26:24.840 --> 2:26:27.200 Let me ask you, though, did those same piers that 2:26:27.280 --> 2:26:29.560 told you was a great album did they change when 2:26:29.680 --> 2:26:30.840 the sales didn't reflect that. 2:26:31.440 --> 2:26:33.640 No, No, all the because they didn't need to. Like 2:26:33.720 --> 2:26:37.200 it's always it's always the B level people that are 2:26:37.440 --> 2:26:40.280 wishy washy. And you know, usually the people who are 2:26:40.440 --> 2:26:42.920 that great, they have so much confidence in themselves because 2:26:42.959 --> 2:26:47.320 they should that they can appreciate your greatness too. Jay 2:26:47.360 --> 2:26:51.879 Z knows he's great to be sounds great too, because 2:26:51.879 --> 2:26:52.600 I'm pretty great. 2:26:54.120 --> 2:27:01.080 Yes, But but I I've learned that the more the 2:27:01.160 --> 2:27:05.320 people accomplished and really truly have genuine confidence in themselves, 2:27:05.400 --> 2:27:07.120 they're okay telling you that you're great. 2:27:07.160 --> 2:27:09.560 Also, we've told I've told Nori plenty of times with 2:27:09.640 --> 2:27:11.720 men Flint that and a lot of people have told 2:27:11.760 --> 2:27:13.959 you we all thought it was an amazing album. 2:27:14.240 --> 2:27:16.400 He always was like, this is my worst album only 2:27:16.480 --> 2:27:19.560 because you created it. And I believe the fan. No, no, 2:27:19.680 --> 2:27:22.080 that's not what happened. You created that album in a 2:27:22.520 --> 2:27:24.080 in a difficult time for your life. 2:27:24.160 --> 2:27:26.920 Yes, right after my father was around where you should 2:27:26.920 --> 2:27:28.640 have said that. I was right after my father died. 2:27:29.040 --> 2:27:32.440 Dad gave me all this money and they told me 2:27:32.800 --> 2:27:37.480 you still got to perform, and I'm just carrying. When 2:27:37.520 --> 2:27:39.280 I was in the studio, I wasn't there. I was 2:27:39.520 --> 2:27:41.920 thinking about, like, why the does this happen? You know, 2:27:42.200 --> 2:27:48.720 I remember, please man, you were asking that we do 2:27:48.760 --> 2:27:52.800 it part two my father say that. 2:27:53.040 --> 2:27:57.920 But yeah, me hearing you say that, I would identify 2:27:58.000 --> 2:28:02.440 with you so much because one I could tell you 2:28:02.560 --> 2:28:03.520 still came outside. 2:28:04.280 --> 2:28:06.120 Well, you know what happened was the beauty of it. 2:28:06.280 --> 2:28:08.480 And that's what Andrea was teaching me at the time. 2:28:08.720 --> 2:28:11.199 Was I just wanted to paint. 2:28:12.160 --> 2:28:14.400 When I made the first album, I just I had 2:28:14.520 --> 2:28:17.120 so many ideas, so many desires that I wanted to 2:28:17.160 --> 2:28:19.560 be different from anyone who had ever existed. 2:28:19.879 --> 2:28:22.640 Period. I wanted to be the only me that ever happened, 2:28:22.920 --> 2:28:24.760 and that's what that album was about. The second album 2:28:25.000 --> 2:28:29.400 was about I didn't connect Somehow How do I connect? 2:28:30.040 --> 2:28:33.600 How do I tell a more personal story that will 2:28:33.680 --> 2:28:35.040 connect with people personally? 2:28:35.080 --> 2:28:39.960 Because the first album was sonically, you know, all in 2:28:40.040 --> 2:28:46.120 my opinion, sonically impressive production. But the lyrics on the 2:28:46.240 --> 2:28:49.680 second album is why is the loss without you? The 2:28:49.920 --> 2:28:54.000 complicated is the Angels to the sky? Cocaine? You know, 2:28:54.400 --> 2:28:58.199 got to be down lyric after lyric of I'm trying 2:28:58.280 --> 2:29:01.160 to connect with you. I reached out and I opened 2:29:01.160 --> 2:29:03.160 my arms and I wanted everybody to hug me back, 2:29:03.240 --> 2:29:04.280 and that's what that album was. 2:29:04.720 --> 2:29:07.640 Well, let me just tell you something. This was a pleasure. 2:29:08.640 --> 2:29:12.560 I've really, I really, I've really had my expectations up here. 2:29:13.360 --> 2:29:19.200 But you just through the roof around the corner. We're 2:29:19.240 --> 2:29:23.680 on a fire hydrant. A compliment. I'm just being honest 2:29:23.720 --> 2:29:25.840 and you and you guys, you guys are the best 2:29:25.879 --> 2:29:28.480 at this. So that's very nice. What you did above 2:29:28.640 --> 2:29:29.200 and beyond. 2:29:30.160 --> 2:29:33.280 Your story is so beautiful and you got to continue 2:29:33.320 --> 2:29:37.119 telling it because I'm just saying, this ship is great. 2:29:37.200 --> 2:29:39.520 Well, this is the most stories I've ever told in 2:29:39.640 --> 2:29:44.440 one you know, because I've seen this, I've seen you guys, 2:29:44.520 --> 2:29:45.960 and I see the way you talk, and I see 2:29:45.959 --> 2:29:47.800 how real it is, and I know your story. I'm 2:29:47.800 --> 2:29:50.880 a fan of yours and what you're doing now and 2:29:51.320 --> 2:29:54.240 just being real and being yourself on the daily and 2:29:54.360 --> 2:29:56.720 letting people into your world and your heart as a 2:29:57.280 --> 2:30:00.960 big tough man who's you know, hit pop game, and 2:30:01.080 --> 2:30:03.080 you're sharing your heart in your world. And so I 2:30:03.160 --> 2:30:04.960 felt safe here and I felt like, you know, this 2:30:05.160 --> 2:30:06.880 was a place where I could tell these I ain't 2:30:06.879 --> 2:30:07.240 gonna lie. 2:30:07.360 --> 2:30:10.960 Thank you. I appreciate it, thank you, No, I appreciate man. Man. 2:30:11.040 --> 2:30:12.040 Let me just be honest with you. 2:30:14.280 --> 2:30:17.760 You really opened up you really, you really didn't hold 2:30:17.840 --> 2:30:22.240 back on nothing. And that's really dope because you are 2:30:22.920 --> 2:30:25.360 a rock star, superstar. 2:30:25.840 --> 2:30:30.120 Take that, honey, your royalty, you take that, honey, rock star. 2:30:32.520 --> 2:30:35.280 I'm gonna get points. I'm gonna get points at home, man, 2:30:36.440 --> 2:30:39.360 and we respect the ship out of you with. 2:30:42.240 --> 2:30:46.040 Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production in association 2:30:46.200 --> 2:30:50.320 with Interval Presents. Hosts and executive producers n O. 2:30:50.520 --> 2:30:51.720 R E and d J. E. 2:30:51.959 --> 2:30:56.600 F N from Interval Presents Executive producers Alan Coy and 2:30:56.840 --> 2:31:03.560 Jake Kleinberg. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple pot, Amazon Music, Spotify, Stitcher, 2:31:03.800 --> 2:31:07.440 or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us 2:31:07.480 --> 2:31:10.080 for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by Yours Truly, 2:31:10.240 --> 2:31:12.760 dj e f N and n O r E. 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