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Speaker 2: Together they drink it up with some of the biggest players,

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Speaker 1: And the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one

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Speaker 1: Year's e. Listen, it's time for drink Champs. Drink up,

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Speaker 3: And this drink Champs? Yeah, I will make something When

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Speaker 3: when when? When we started this show, we wanted we

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Speaker 3: wanted to dedicate your whole show to legends, to pie

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Speaker 3: up is. This man is not only a legend of

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Speaker 3: writing songs in the nineties. He is stood the test

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Speaker 3: of time, been out here and I being honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I mean I have to see the process of you know,

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Speaker 3: of of googling the artists, and I'll tell you this

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Speaker 3: part of, Like I gotta ask because it's so much crazy.

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Speaker 3: When you google him, it's like some of this shit

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Speaker 3: can't be true, Like some of this can't be because

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Speaker 3: it's so a luxurious. So the man is literally born

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Speaker 1: Literally this is and and.

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Speaker 3: It's a frame that I just found out was called

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Speaker 3: blue Eyes so Ould. I did not know what that is.

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Speaker 3: I did not know what it is. But we don't

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Speaker 3: learn today. So in case you don't know, didn't know,

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Speaker 3: who are we talking about? The one only?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 4: That's Interdusty Now I got a access all top, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 4: Wayne Gretsky. Baby, Well, my dad, you know, my dad

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Speaker 5: You know, he was the American Canadian dad. So he

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Speaker 5: came up with David Foster, the great producer songwriter and

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Speaker 5: He would take me to the studio to visit David

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Speaker 5: Foster when he was working on the Natalie Cole Unforgettable album,

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Speaker 5: when he was working on I Will Always Love You

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Speaker 5: home from school one day and David Foster is sitting

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Speaker 5: So I walked in on that, you know, just coming.

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Speaker 1: Home from school. My Wayne Gretzky story is even better.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, pretty wild growing up, but yeah, well, my

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Speaker 5: Wayne Gretzky story. My dad took my older brother to

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Speaker 5: Wayne's on the podium in Edmonton saying that he's been

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Speaker 5: But my one by one cool fabulous story with him

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Speaker 1: I'll never agree being in the drive through with Wayne

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Speaker 1: Your mother was which show she was? She was on

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Speaker 1: days of our lives. She was a singer.

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Speaker 5: My mom also had a hit with an R and

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Speaker 3: No, probably straight on different strokes. Your father wrote that

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Speaker 1: Strokes, super dudes, that's my dad's saying. I'm saying when

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Speaker 5: Actually he uh was always a writer, and he wrote

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, little noise for that. Man.

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Speaker 1: Like? If you you ship like, I want to call

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Speaker 5: Well, my dad was just the most friendly, sociable person

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Speaker 3: You know, so your homies list is it? I'm just saying,

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you go google yourself and like people

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Speaker 1: So okay, did you know growing up you you were royanty?

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Speaker 5: I think because I saw it so young and my

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Speaker 1: So I just really appreciated the way my father treated people,

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Speaker 1: foot what was he like his character in growing paints?

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Speaker 1: Because that's what you're just very much very much. I mean,

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Speaker 1: But no, he was just he was just the most levelble.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm always I'm always like when we have guests

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Speaker 1: He hood, I support du I'm part of it. I'm

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Speaker 5: I'm with Rock Nations, Jay Brown and jay Z family.

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Speaker 5: And when I was doing this residency in Los Angeles

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Speaker 5: I wanted to do a real intimate show, no smoke,

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Speaker 1: It has been a great run. You got Mad Records

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Speaker 1: Are we blue?

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Speaker 5: I mean he was already blown up. But when I

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Speaker 5: Actually what happened? I did another great story. They used

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Speaker 5: playing my music for people, there there was a people listened.

439
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 1: You know.

440
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 5: And I remember when Rolling when he played some of

441
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 5: it for somebody at the Rolling Stone in one of

442
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 5: those popular magazines, and they were like.

443
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 1: They think you sound like Maxwell, And I was like,

444
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,159
Speaker 1: this is a bad thing on the back. I like,

445
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,719
Speaker 1: the guy just sold the four million records and he's

446
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: good sold out the forum. What's sounded a little like

447
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: Maxwell because like one of the.

448
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 3: New rappers out is a guy named Russ right, and

449
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 3: Russ I see he receives a lot of slack because

450
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 3: they say that his father was so powerful in the

451
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 3: industry that they almost gave it the props to his father.

452
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 5: And that's just we're always trying to knock one peg

453
00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 5: out people, you know what I mean, and take.

454
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 1: Some away from their own accomplishments.

455
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 5: And the truth is is that it does help to

456
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 5: have a leg up, it does help to have connections,

457
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 5: it does help to have some financial But my dad

458
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 5: didn't give me.

459
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: The first grand I didn't get the first thousand dollars,

460
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 1: though it might have been the best thing you ever different,

461
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

462
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 5: And that's the thing, that's what we all like. I'm

463
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 5: balancing my son. My thirteen year old son has an

464
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 5: incredible voice. He's a natural singer, and he's way more

465
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 5: comfortable being on.

466
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: Stage than I was. Until I was thirty, I was

467
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 1: a studio rat.

468
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 5: I literally lived in the studio twelve hours a day

469
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 5: until I released the first album and then I started performing.

470
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 5: So I didn't become a good performer until, you know,

471
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 5: maybe ten years later, you know.

472
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: So I think with my son, I want to balance

473
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: the support.

474
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 5: Support, support, but you're going to have to go write

475
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 5: your own songs, go play your own guitar, and have

476
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 5: to make your own bones.

477
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: You know. Did you have you ever had a regular day?

478
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: I do now, and happily, Happily, I have four kids.

479
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 5: I have a five year old daughter Mia, a four

480
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 5: year old daughter Lola, and a two year old son,

481
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 5: and they run my world.

482
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, my thirteen year old goes back

483
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: and forth between my and Paul and my ex. But

484
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: my kids are everything.

485
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 5: And I think my dad was such a great dad,

486
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 5: and I adored him so much. But he was so

487
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 5: busy during my like ten to eighteen era, and he

488
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 5: was gone on the weekends. Earn it because he was

489
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 5: he was making he was everyone. He was he was everyone,

490
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 5: and he didn't really turned down a job. He just

491
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 5: hosted everything, you.

492
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Speaker 2: Know now, you said, I remember as a kid seeing

493
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: him post all those things.

494
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: You didn't even realize because I didn't know that was

495
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 3: work back then.

496
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: I just know that I was having fun. That's crazy. Yeah. No,

497
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: So you literally have to share.

498
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 5: Your father with the one I think a little bit

499
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 5: of that time that I missed. I want to make

500
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 5: sure I don't miss with my kids.

501
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: You know. But my dad, he set the whole family up.

502
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: He gave us a bar, a standard, you know, to

503
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: live up to. Hell.

504
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I knew him my whole life.

505
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: Forty five years old. I put on your dad my

506
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: whole life.

507
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: You know.

508
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 5: The best thing there isn't a set or a show

509
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 5: I can go on, or any group of backstage p

510
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 5: that I work with. If somebody doesn't come up and

511
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 5: say how much they love they've worked with my dad

512
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 5: in law, you know what I mean.

513
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's the legacy, A great legacy. I'm gonna

514
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: tell you something.

515
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 3: I can no longer watch movies because of how much

516
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: I know about how film works. It like kind of

517
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: ruins it for me. Like I kind of like the

518
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: other day I re visited Seinfeld and I realized Seinfeld

519
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: didn't shooting on one episode in New York City. Whoa

520
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 3: the whole ship you think of that? Ever, the exterior,

521
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 3: even the exteriors.

522
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: Right was on set.

523
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 3: It was a set, but they was showing. And so

524
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: I'm watching Seinfeld. This is the show that I loved

525
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: back then, I still love now, but I'm watching it

526
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 3: now now that I know the difference. I feel like

527
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: it took away from everything, just the magic. Yeah, because

528
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: you're so much involved in entertainment. Does entertainment bore you now?

529
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: No? I think that. I think I bore myself, and

530
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: I think I have to sometimes.

531
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 5: I think I like to live in the challenges of

532
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 5: life and the struggles so I can create something that

533
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 5: actually is meaningful to me. If life is too easy,

534
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 5: if I don't, if I just go, oh, it's all

535
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 5: flowers and everybody's happy, then I'm just gonna write flowers

536
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 5: and happy songs.

537
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: That's not who I am. I'm a soul. Man. I

538
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: have to feel the soul of my experience so I

539
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: can put that soul back into my music.

540
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: God damn it, man with the flowers that man, let's go.

541
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 3: Let's come on, come on, babe, God damn it. Our

542
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: show is literally about giving people they flowers and literally

543
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: want to give you y'all hours.

544
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: Man.

545
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: I would say, it's like a Grammy coming from the people, right,

546
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: thank you.

547
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: Thank you? Know what? The older way, I heard a

548
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: great quote from Bob Dylan once.

549
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 5: He said something like, it's always nice to be honored

550
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 5: while you're still alive, right right, that's right. And the

551
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 5: older we get all these little moments of appreciation or

552
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 5: flowers or gratitude, you know, because we were so much

553
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 5: more grateful now for everything that we've accomplished and been

554
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 5: a part of.

555
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: During the ride, you're just going, it ain't enough.

556
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 5: I need another, I need more, And sure I want

557
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 5: more more great music, you know, and I want more

558
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 5: great friendships.

559
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: But but I try not to be so hard on

560
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: myself anymore, you know, good.

561
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: And appreciate all the people that you've actually touched on

562
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: the way.

563
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, And that's why it's good to get out

564
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 5: because sometimes the artists, the older you get, you just

565
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 5: end up staying inside with your friends and your circle

566
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 5: and your family, and you don't even feel that love anymore,

567
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 5: and you.

568
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: Start thinking it's not out there. And then I go

569
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: out and I and I see all the smiles and

570
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: the faces and the handshakes and the people that want

571
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: to say I love you, And if I'm staying in

572
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: my house all day, I'll never get to feel that love.

573
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: You know, It's probably one of the deepest shit I've

574
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: ever heard just now, Like that shit makes so much

575
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: sense to me.

576
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know you're talking to the world,

577
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: but that moment was talking to me. Yeah, that shit is.

578
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: You and I have both experienced similar parts of the adventure.

579
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: You know.

580
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: You know it's crazy.

581
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: I noticed that if if I'm even you know, have

582
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: you ever woke up and you feel like you're having

583
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: a bad day?

584
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: Like you just feel it just on the moment you

585
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: wake up.

586
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: I literally can't go outside because if I go outside,

587
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: someone's gonna be like, hey, nor you gotta take a

588
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 3: picture that I'm saying I got a fucked updated.

589
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: Certain they don't give a fuck about my fucking note.

590
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: They're thinking about that, that music, They think that was

591
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: all you made me feel good.

592
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,239
Speaker 3: So speaking of that, that's the one thing I hear

593
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: about the music is it seems like you're a feel

594
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: good person, like you want to feel good, except for

595
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: when you tried to get your wife back.

596
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: You was hurt. You was hurt. Yeah, well I was confused.

597
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: He was confused.

598
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 5: He was confused because because I knew that we weren't

599
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 5: supposed to be together anymore. But I had just had

600
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 5: a child and the last thing I wanted to do

601
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 5: was spend half of my life away from my child

602
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 5: the next eighteen years, only seeing him three and a

603
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 5: half days a week.

604
00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: Real.

605
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 5: So there is in a single thing you wouldn't try.

606
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: So that album was the most jumbled and confused album

607
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 5: because that was the most jumbled and confused part of

608
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 5: my life. So I said everything I was going through.

609
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 5: So one day I wanted to get her back. The

610
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 5: next day I knew was over. You know, one day

611
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 5: I wanted to make it work. The next day I

612
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 5: knew there.

613
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: Was no chance. So that period, oh yeah, music has

614
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: always been my diary and my therapy. It's and sometime

615
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: I guess that time it didn't work. You know, it

616
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: didn't work, but.

617
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: It might not have workedally, but internally then.

618
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: And then you said it and I'm going to drop.

619
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop. And then these are the beautiful moments.

620
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 5: So I'm mad. I met a birthday, a big birthday party,

621
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 5: all these people that I haven't seen this person in

622
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 5: a long time. But his daughter, Zoe had been in

623
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 5: the studio with me while I was making the Paula album.

624
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: She had come to visit. Right, So Lenny Kravinz is

625
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: sitting there.

626
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 5: And he goes, yo, Zoe told me about the album

627
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 5: because she heard it in the studio and I listened

628
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 5: to it and I thought it was amazing.

629
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: So right there here, here's another peer of mine that

630
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: I love, and let me get it, let me get in.

631
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: And he's telling me when I when.

632
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 5: I sold barely sold anything, and everybody told me it

633
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 5: was a big mistake, and he's saying, I thought it

634
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 5: was amazing, that was beautiful. I said something to the

635
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 5: respect of I really respected what you did on that album.

636
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: And that's what we do as artists. We hit, we miss,

637
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: but we have to try and share and tell our

638
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: story right. And my story at that time was all

639
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: over the place. Nah.

640
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: I mean when I was listening, I was like, okay,

641
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: I see what it was gonna happen. But you tried,

642
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: you tried to get it back. You made a whole No.

643
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: I tried to sell old idea, the idea.

644
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: Of getting her back, but I wasn't actually working on

645
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 5: getting her back at the time.

646
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: And that's why, because we were already done. You wanted

647
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: your family together, you want to.

648
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 5: I wrote the songs in real time. I wrote the

649
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: whole album in maybe two months, you know. But I

650
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 5: knew we weren't going to be back together, and that

651
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 5: was okay. You know, I heard this great quote recently

652
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 5: by Jay Shetty and you guys know this guy, jaj

653
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: doess a lot of inspirational stuff, and he said, people

654
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 5: think that growing apart is a bad thing, but you're

655
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 5: still growing. Just because you grew apart, does it mean

656
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 5: you didn't grow? And that really touched me deep because

657
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, that's what happened. We

658
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 5: were both her careers taking off. She's got her own

659
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 5: life from career. My career is taken off. I got

660
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 5: my own thing. We've got a baby. We're both changing

661
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: and growing but the problem is we grew apart, and

662
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 5: that's just something you have to respect instead of take.

663
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: As an L. That's not necessarily an L. Wow, you

664
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Meghan Marko write your wedding stations.

665
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 5: And Megan Marco wrote our wedding invitations in collect, Yo,

666
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: what kind of fucking life. She was a colligor, she's

667
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 5: a calligraphy expert, and somehow when she was doing an

668
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 5: interview getting married, she said that she did our wedding invitations.

669
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: That's the kind of shit that happens in Hollywood. Yo.

670
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: She's married, she's literally worried to you, and she happened

671
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: to do your wedding invitations.

672
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: How the fuck is that? Man? That's Hollywood. That's why

673
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: I always just say this, man, it's Hollywood. Anything's possible, Wow,

674
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: anything speaking of that?

675
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: You know, growing up in Los Angeles, and like I see,

676
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: I see how you kept saying the valley, And you notice.

677
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: None of us was known what you're just talking about.

678
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Because when I say the valley in La, yes, in

679
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: La everyone else. I looked at my already val den.

680
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: I looked at a.

681
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: Couple of couple of my friends and they look but

682
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: like it's it's actually it's actually one of the toughest

683
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: towns to be in, right, because it's almost like everyone's

684
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: a fucking start in California.

685
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: It's it's the person bringing you your burger.

686
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was on Martin in nineteen eighty nine, and

687
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: he's just out there living.

688
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just like that. Yeah, is that

689
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: something that you're adapt you're just used to all.

690
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 5: I think everything has its pluses and minuses, you know.

691
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 5: I think people in Hollywood, they tend to think that

692
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 5: they're this close to stardom, and the fact there's a

693
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 5: few of them are right, you know.

694
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: So I have I've seen it happen.

695
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: I've literally seen somebody a month earlier and then the

696
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: next month they're on the cover of Time magazine and

697
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: nobody going me.

698
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: It's like, things like this really do happen.

699
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 5: And I've been lucky enough to see so many journeys

700
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 5: realize their potential.

701
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: So I do believe. Even when I see my kids,

702
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't tell them this is not possible. Anything is possible.

703
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen. I've made the impossible possible.

704
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: You know, how do you prepare them for the rougher side?

705
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: Of that because they're that's the percentages are against most.

706
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: Well, I don't encourage any of them to get into

707
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: entertainment business. I encourage them to have craft. Right to

708
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: build craft something you love to do. If you do

709
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: it long enough and you build a craft at it,

710
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: you will success. You will find a place. You can't

711
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: just want to be a star. You want to be

712
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: a star, good luck, you know what I mean.

713
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 5: But you want to have craft and if you earn

714
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 5: the hours that it takes to learn a craft. I

715
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 5: spent twelve hours in the studio every day by the

716
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: time I was from sixteen to twenty, you know what

717
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 5: I mean.

718
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: So by the time I was twenty, by the.

719
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 5: Time I was twenty two, I'd written and produced two

720
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 5: dozen golden platinum records. Before I'd ever released one of

721
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 5: my own songs. I had already had two dozen golden

722
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 5: Plantinum albums.

723
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: You know I was on Mark anton I wrote Mark

724
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: Anthony's you Gotta Look for Solid right like No No.

725
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: Then I had this lucky streak in my late teen

726
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: years in my early twenties where I happened to be

727
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: on everybody's biggest album. The song that I wrote for

728
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: Usher Confessions. The song I wrote for Christina was her

729
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: debut album, her biggest alum. The song I wrote for

730
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: Mark Anthony his biggest selling American album. The song I

731
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: wrote for Maya it was her Plantinum.

732
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 5: So I had this incredible Pink Pink's biggest album was

733
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 5: her first album Notes, So this was literally but and

734
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 5: you know, by the time I was twenty two years old,

735
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 5: I'm just amassed.

736
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Who's helping you get those placements? Because that's difficult publishers.

737
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: You have publishing company.

738
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 5: Luckily, I signed a publishing deal when I was about

739
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 5: sixteen seventeen, and she would pitch me to all these

740
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: artists and they'd come by our studio and we'd write

741
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 5: a song for them and then.

742
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: Just get lucky to be on. I never had the hit.

743
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: I never had to hit, always had a cut on

744
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: the biggest time. Yeah, that's all you need. You're ready

745
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: to kick Thomas. Let's go. I'm doing you guys, might

746
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: if I do it quick break. As you can see,

747
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I got the story you want to play in the game.

748
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: If we're gonna give you two options, I just let

749
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: them know. She said that I was looking a little shiny,

750
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: So if they can step in. You can step in

751
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: anytime you need. Yeah, come your on camera. Yeah, I

752
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: think she looks good.

753
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: If you see me looking too shiny, I can do more. Hit,

754
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 5: I'll do a little more right here, I guess some

755
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 5: napkins paper, yes, sir, all right?

756
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: No, actually I think that nothin's are good? Sure, yeah,

757
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: a little better? Thank you. I appreciate you money. All right.

758
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna give you two options. You can kick one

759
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: and we don't. But if you say both or neither,

760
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: be politically correct. If you're if you give the politically

761
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: correct answer, we're all drink.

762
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: But we said we don't leave you by yourself.

763
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: But if you pick one, nobody drinks, and feel free

764
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: to give us a story or anything that comes to mind.

765
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: Many of these two things we tell you. Okay, you

766
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: want to start, you ont me just start?

767
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: You just talk, all right? Usher or Chris Brown?

768
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 5: Oh well, artistically I love both, but but I'm gonna

769
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 5: have to pick my man, Usher, just because we go

770
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 5: back twenty You got a Grammy together, say yeah, that's

771
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 5: my book.

772
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Fair enough? Like we we go to each other's kids,

773
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: birthday parties and stuff.

774
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 5: I gotta see Breezey don't text me back. Sometimes I'll

775
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 5: be sending it in front of video. I'll be saying

776
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 5: we hung out recently, had a blast together, but but

777
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 5: I send them a video because my my girl and

778
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 5: her friends love Chris Brown. Like when it's when it's

779
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 5: girls night, is it starts with these joisean loyal you know?

780
00:34:54,640 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: So it ready. So I'll be texting him from the

781
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: party bus on the birthday night. Give it him one

782
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: of these. You know. Sometimes he hits back. So so

783
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: so what is it we we seen? What do you mean? Like?

784
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: Like I like no, I would just be like yo,

785
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: party Indio jams tonight. You know what I mean?

786
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 5: I like to send videos to my friends when we're

787
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: partying to their music.

788
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: But I thought you meant like you know you know

789
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: when Usher answered, So that's why I'm a pareush the

790
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: face time in the party.

791
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 5: Bush Face signed with us while we were listening to

792
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 5: Daddy's Home.

793
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, I don't want to ask this one.

794
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: You can do guys na kiss. Oh well, I got

795
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: records with both. That's another drop. Yeah, I was letting

796
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: you go. I want you to. I don't know how, Yeah,

797
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can pick between those drinking

798
00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: drinking cheers, cheers, Thanks, I love blessed, and.

799
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got ship to do today. Yep,

800
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 3: drink tests. I'm okay, this is a good one. Marvin

801
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: Gate or Stevie Wonda, Oh.

802
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: Well, h.

803
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 5: That's that's a both that you guys are gonna We're

804
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 5: gonna be drunk, because first of all, there's nothing that

805
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 5: you can't learn from either one of those catalogs and

806
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 5: and and artists and Hartley what I love that. Andre

807
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 5: Andre Herrel always knew that those were my two favorites

808
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 5: because they sang about love, and that's that's my core

809
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 5: has always been to sing about love or to sing

810
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 5: about trying to make love better.

811
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: That shot, Yeah, yeah, thank you, and Marvin, thanks a

812
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: lot for both being amazing by the way. We got

813
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: that just in case, you know, that's that the best.

814
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm good.

815
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: I'm planning a nap after this. Yeah, yeah, I'm the

816
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: best on the planet. Mother loyal, dig over there smoking

817
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: it down. Goddamn, it.

818
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: Is good. It is good. I never heard nobody. Are

819
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: you ready, Jodasy or black Street?

820
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 5: Oh once again, Teddy, that's Andre Herrel family.

821
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: So Teddy, I have a record with Teddy. We did

822
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: Sex in the Morning together a Snoop with Snoop Dogg

823
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: on it. I love Teddy, but Jodas.

824
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 5: Jodasy taught me so much vocally like I worshiped Casey

825
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: and Jojo and as a listener, as a listener is

826
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 5: just the songs of production like that era I was thirty.

827
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 5: I think I don't think anybody influenced me more as

828
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 5: a teenager than Jodasy vocally and musically like that was

829
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 5: I seen come and talk to me in a cappella

830
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: in my show.

831
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like great record and the

832
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: remix even better and yeah, and you know what's you

833
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: know what's so great about?

834
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 5: And I know you experienced this too growing up, idolizing

835
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 5: these artists and then here I am, and him and

836
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 5: I I have been texting about doing a song together.

837
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: I need a song like what was the last thing

838
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: you said me? I need a song like forgetting the artists?

839
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: Who's just texting you, Casey? See now this is this

840
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: ship is catching up to me. Now now I can't

841
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: remember my favorite No.

842
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 5: Casey and I've been texting, yeah, because you know when

843
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 5: Andre passed and just all the all of the Disciples

844
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 5: of Andre. You know what I mean, we all have

845
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 5: stayed in touch and become friends and and yes, so

846
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 5: Casey and I've been talking about doing a song together.

847
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember the artist right now. You got to

848
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: be incredible. Okay, so you picked Jodysy. I definitely picked

849
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: joas do now.

850
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: So I don't have to drink, you don't have to drive,

851
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: But shout out to Teddy and black streets.

852
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: Shout out to Teddy, Biggie or Big Al. Definitely Biggie

853
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: for me. Okay, little Wayne or Drake. I gotta pick Wheezy,

854
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: gotta pick Weezy. I should take a shot for you

855
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: for me, no one, you gotta pick. And you know

856
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean Drasey.

857
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 5: I'm literally we're in the car every week for the

858
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 5: for the last fifteen years to Drizzy. So but but yeah,

859
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 5: there's something about Wayne. There's something about Wayne. I feel

860
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: that that just has never existed and will never exist.

861
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: Like it's just such an individual, lyrical, vocal perspective that

862
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 5: he brings.

863
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's a cool dude too.

864
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, your love, But your father was like the first

865
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: king of Canada, and then Drake is like the King

866
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 3: of Canada.

867
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 1: Drake is Canada. It's the King of Central Page twisted. Damn.

868
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: That's a good one, Okay, Brian mcmight, well keep.

869
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 5: Sweat, gotta go with McKnight because yeah, that was my Keith,

870
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 5: those records that Keith I remember I was.

871
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: That was what was so great about Remember I told

872
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: you about al Giro's god.

873
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 5: His name is Tabiso and Kane and he's become a

874
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 5: very successful an R and publisher himself. And he was

875
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 5: my first Andre Herrell when I was like fourteen. Oh,

876
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 5: here's another good story. So I'm fourteen years old and

877
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: I'm hanging out with my The other guys in my

878
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: singing group were nineteen to twenty years old. Right, they

879
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 5: had a hookup at the Palladium in La So they

880
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 5: decided to take me to the Palladium. It's a boys

881
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 5: to men, Joe to C and I believe ABC like,

882
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 5: let's go back kind of night. Right, I'm fourteen years old.

883
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 5: I'm literally walking around No, no, no, that's why they

884
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 5: had the hook at the Pladium.

885
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know how I got there.

886
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: I was just with my older Hollywood like David Faustino,

887
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 5: Brian Austin Green, white boyfriends, right.

888
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: That's who it was. I was with the white boys.

889
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: I was with the White Boy crew. I was with

890
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: the white boy crew. I was with the white boy young.

891
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 5: TV crew, the nine O two one oh crew, and

892
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 5: so Brian also getting them. They loved hip hop, right,

893
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 5: They're all these hip hop has and I was the

894
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 5: same way.

895
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: Somehow we become friends through.

896
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 5: My dad taking me to young Hollywood parties whatever. So

897
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: they took me. So they're all like nineteen twenty years old.

898
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 5: I'm fourteen, and and they end up somewhere else. I

899
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: ended up wandering through the party and I find myself

900
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 5: seeing these three black guys, well dressed, kind of sitting there,

901
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: and I don't even.

902
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: Know how this happens. I just kind of walk up

903
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: and I go, hey, what's what's your name? What you

904
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: guys doing? Do you guys? You guys sing? And they said, yeah,

905
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: we sing. I don't know how I had that feeling,

906
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, I sing too. I sang for

907
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: them right there in the in the palladium at the

908
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: table on the spot. Made friends.

909
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: We ended up starting a singing group together, and that

910
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 5: ended up in this guy to be so ended up

911
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 5: teaching me about the culture of black music, and about

912
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 5: A and R and about how to get a record deal.

913
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 5: So when I he took me to Warner Brothers Records,

914
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 5: in the first two songs, I sang to get a

915
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 5: record deal, where Jodases got a love Wow and commissions.

916
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Running back to you had a fourteen year old whie

917
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: boy chose I'm about to act man like you ain't

918
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: never listen to the Beach Boys, you know. I think

919
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: we all like maybe I wanted to. I love black

920
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: music and black culture so much naturally, Michael Jordan, Eddie

921
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: Murphy like that whole era. As a wife, I.

922
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 5: Remember listening to n w A with my headphones and

923
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 5: my walkman in the kitchen and my mom doesn't know

924
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 5: I'm listening to Bitch, you know.

925
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: A Bitch is a bit like that, and I'm like,

926
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, Mom, if you know what I'm listening.

927
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: I'm so obsessed with the whole thing, you know, And

928
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: so it's always just felt like like that was where

929
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 5: I belonged to.

930
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: That culture is where I belonged, you know.

931
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, we still don't quick time with slim,

932
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: but how come like you know, there's people who are

933
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: obviously white that make black music and there and sometimes

934
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: they call them a culture volture.

935
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: What do you feel about that work a coat of volture? Like,

936
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: what do you think? I think that that you know,

937
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: if you're using something, then you're just using it. If

938
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: you love something, if it's in your so if it's

939
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: in your blood, if you if you like walk it daily,

940
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: and you treat every person that's a part of that

941
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: movement and culture with the same respect and dignity they deserve.

942
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: Like that you don't have to answer to nobody. I

943
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: like that. I get yeah, growing pains or different strokes.

944
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: I think Trey Songs of Jeremiah mm hmm, I'm gonna

945
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: go Jeremiah. I like that that that record he did

946
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: with fifteen Okay, you got a song trade songs too,

947
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: do I? Yeah? You got song with everybody? Yeah? Oh

948
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. I totally forgot. I was like,

949
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: this is this is what happens when you, you know,

950
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: drink too much kill you. I remember I did. I

951
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: totally forgot that.

952
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 5: I was on the Quins Jones redo of like pyt

953
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 5: that I did this whole vocal and t pains on it.

954
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 5: That was because I think what happens is you get

955
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 5: into a.

956
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: Place like where blurred lines and that that year, a

957
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: couple of years and you're just doing it, literally getting

958
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: calls for everything, and of course Quincy Jones calls and

959
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: wants you to drop a verse. You just do it.

960
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: Six years later totally forgot I'd ever done that record.

961
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: That's that's that's the beauty of the business. Okay, podcast

962
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: or radio. You know, I haven't gotten totally into the

963
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: podcast thing yet. My girl loves it. I think it's

964
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: it's my impatience, do you know what I mean? I don't.

965
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's for me to sit down and

966
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: do long form like I don't. I don't like watching series.

967
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: I like movies. I have a tough time.

968
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 5: I like when it when I'm into a series and

969
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 5: the new episode drops once a week, so there's a

970
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 5: separation and anticipation and I only watch for an hour

971
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 5: or plus.

972
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: But me trying to sit there and watched like ten.

973
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 5: Episodes in no way, man, No, I gotta go write,

974
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 5: I gotta go do something.

975
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: Radio well, I mean yeah, I mean I'm as school.

976
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking radio. Okay, I am, And you know Beyonce,

977
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh both ain't no answer to that exactly forever Missy

978
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: or Eve Oh, I gotta pick Missy just I mean Eve,

979
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: I I did a record with Eve. I think too,

980
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: and but I love Uh. I think Missy was.

981
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 5: Just one of the most game changing presence. I mean,

982
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 5: and her ability to wrap and sing and write and

983
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 5: murder for other other artists.

984
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Missy's and.

985
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: Similar entrance because she started writing. Yeah, and the connection

986
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: there's a lot of connection's.

987
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: Just I mean, wow, if when you go back on

988
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: her catalog, Virginia not She's Timberland, but con and the

989
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: songs she wrote for s w V and I mean

990
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: like peace, Bobby Brown or Johnny Gill.

991
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 5: I gotta go Bobby Brown. I love, I love all

992
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 5: that and I sang my my my, like repeatedly. It

993
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 5: was huge Johnny. I'm a huge Johnny gil fan.

994
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: But my progate the Boby Brown, the dope be cruel,

995
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: the humping on the ground, the tender Ronnie like when

996
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: I was a fourteen, I'm talking.

997
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 5: And you know, and and we did the Real Husbands

998
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 5: of Hollywood together, so we're family on that talk about it.

999
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: I just think Bobby Brown. When Bobby Brown hit and

1000
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: he was rapping and singing and dance like that was

1001
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: That was and the run going back to you, This

1002
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be here on Friday. That was Chris. That

1003
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: was the show I got to I don't want to. Oh,

1004
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: I get a lost you know who?

1005
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: The reason why I know that Fat Joe hit me

1006
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: He's gonna be here Friday, and I think he's coming

1007
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: just to go to the He's a big like that

1008
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: fan of like because isn't it tour's Yeah?

1009
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: Who else? And that's the wave of entertainment is that

1010
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: you go through.

1011
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 5: Your hot phase and then all of a sudden it's

1012
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 5: just hot and everyone wants to see it and it's

1013
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 5: coming to test comes back and mentalities and remembering. I mean,

1014
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 5: that's the beauty of music is how it connects to

1015
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 5: the journey of your life and reminds you of those

1016
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 5: eras and times.

1017
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: You know, and some of the best times your life.

1018
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: Music is a time machine absolutely for real or Kanye

1019
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: got to pick for real of course, which I wouldn't.

1020
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: I wouldn't u for Rell, you know, out of everybody

1021
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 5: that I've ever been around as an artist, married Ja recording,

1022
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 5: Mary J. Blige vocals or recording Jay Z vocals. That's

1023
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 5: hard to surpass. But being in the studio and watching

1024
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 5: for real create has got to be one of the

1025
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 5: most magical things you can be around. The speed, the authenticity,

1026
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 5: the passion, and just the cleverness that he and the lyricism,

1027
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 5: the melody like there isn't a part of it. He

1028
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 5: can't do all on his own. That's there's so many

1029
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 5: of us. We need someone to help us with the

1030
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 5: base and we need someone to help us with the lyric.

1031
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 5: I mean, someone to help us with the melodies. But

1032
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 5: that guy, there's nothing.

1033
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: He can't do. Just a genius.

1034
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 5: When you use the word genius lightly, you know, use

1035
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 5: it lightly on Pharrell, he's a genius.

1036
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: So Brandy or Monica, gotta pick Brandy. That's my girl.

1037
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: We did that. We had our first song together, our

1038
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: first cut. He's like a quick time.

1039
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: But some of them are easy if they're if they're

1040
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 5: so connected, you know what I mean, Because I'm not

1041
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 5: picking music over music.

1042
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm picking connections music Mariah or Janet. Janet gotta pickure

1043
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: now Mariah vocally.

1044
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 5: When she came out with Visions of Love, I remember

1045
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 5: I was proud and this is when I before my

1046
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 5: voice changed.

1047
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: I could hit all the octaves, I could hit the

1048
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: fifth octave. Mariah high notes.

1049
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but for puberty, eleven year old right when Mariah

1050
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 5: hit was Business of Love is eighty nine, you know,

1051
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 5: so maybe I'm twelve, so it's right before, so I'm

1052
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 5: still the last year I could hit that high note.

1053
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 5: But I remember I learned every single riff of Maria's

1054
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 5: and I didn't even realize most of my cons most

1055
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 5: of my most of my studying of riffs and runs

1056
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 5: came from Take six. I listened to the Take six albums,

1057
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 5: and if you learn how to sing like Take six,

1058
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 5: you can pretty much do anything.

1059
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: So that's where I learned most of my riffs.

1060
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 5: But Mariah when she came out, I didn't even realize

1061
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 5: until I would listen back to my records, like the

1062
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 5: earlier records I made, how many Mariah riffs I was running,

1063
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

1064
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: How much he influenced me vocally. So justin Biebo or

1065
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake, that's a tough one. Take a shot.

1066
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: The people closet the world, they want you to not pick.

1067
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you they don't want white car.

1068
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: They don't want that no white on white Cry. But

1069
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: I made that one up that I was like. I

1070
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: was like, let's go. That's good. I know, you know,

1071
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: because I want to be respectful. I'm going through I'm

1072
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: going to Hi Buster eminem Oh. I got to pick

1073
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: Bus the Bus.

1074
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 5: We got a few records together and once again, remember

1075
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 5: remember when they had this thing that.

1076
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: You could order videos back in the box Man marked

1077
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: the box the box. I remember when my dad first

1078
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: got the first of the box bill. But you came

1079
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: home and I had ordered three hundred dollars worth of videos.

1080
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: My dad was like, no more than box.

1081
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 5: Most of the I remember I watched the Leaders of

1082
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 5: the New School at least twenty times. I thought that video,

1083
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 5: that first video of Bus a UH and Leaders of

1084
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 5: the New School was incredible. And then of course the

1085
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 5: scenario and the whole tribe connections and and and so

1086
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 5: when you and then you get to Uh, the different

1087
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 5: vocal stylings that he's done, you know what I mean,

1088
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 5: how he can change his voice up so much, and

1089
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 5: lyrical styles. I really think that he's one of the

1090
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: most influential we've ever had.

1091
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: Bust give you Yeah, it hurts.

1092
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 5: Shout out to Bus and Bus shout out the bus

1093
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 5: the first one that called me. Bussell was one of

1094
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 5: the first people that called me when I got divorced.

1095
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 5: When I got separated, when it was public news, he

1096
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 5: called me. I remember I was at the airport. He

1097
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 5: called me and just let me know he was there

1098
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 5: for me and if I needed anything or needed someone

1099
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 5: to talk to, that he.

1100
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: Had been through these things and then he would be

1101
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: there for me. Shout out to bus.

1102
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: YEA, I mean, such a great dude, like Bussell is

1103
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 3: my my friend that I called for motivation, like when

1104
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: it's time to Like if I could call bus and

1105
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 3: be like, yo, man, it ain't right, He's not. He'd

1106
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: be like, you mean, he'll give you that motivation that

1107
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: you need. I'm like, I just needed that.

1108
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: I quean back. He would be like, he ain't let

1109
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: you have a bad day. He ain't letting you have

1110
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: a bad day.

1111
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 5: I'm just He's a great one of my He reminds

1112
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 5: me of one of my favorite lines from the Godfather

1113
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 5: with Brando is you can act like.

1114
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm mad, you know what I mean, Like like I'm

1115
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: there for you. I'll hold you and we could have

1116
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: a we can hug it out. But come on, smack

1117
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: you around, Let's get the work done. You know this one.

1118
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I don't know what's really this

1119
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: is going go.

1120
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 5: Tupac or Jay z Oh Jay for me, I mean

1121
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 5: Tupac of course, that there's no way to deny anything

1122
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 5: that he gave us, but Jay has because we've gotten

1123
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 5: longer and more from Jay.

1124
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: Also, we continue right now to be inspired by.

1125
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 5: Jay every week, every month, the things he does, the

1126
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 5: way he handles some different ways, right, I mean, there's

1127
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 5: so much to be inspired by still to this moment,

1128
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 5: as a husband, as a father, as a businessman, as

1129
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 5: a as an artist, you know, as a genius. So

1130
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 5: he's actually one of my favorite people in the world, wow,

1131
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 5: you know, and one of the one of the few

1132
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 5: people that that when my father passed that I've continued

1133
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 5: to just kind of once in a while check in

1134
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 5: with and ask for advice and when I need a

1135
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 5: when I need a grown man theory.

1136
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: He's a beautiful person. Digital our analog.

1137
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: I'm liking. I'm liking digital now. I think that there's

1138
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 5: more to uh, there's more to play with on the

1139
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 5: canvas with digital, right, you know, I'm starting to get it.

1140
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: I was I was an.

1141
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 5: Analog ahead until recently, and now I'm starting to realize

1142
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 5: that the way that Travis Scott, you know, bends those

1143
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 5: notes and bends those basses and tweaks that the the

1144
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 5: the tuning.

1145
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: I've always been a straight ahead singing. He's singing tune,

1146
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: you're playing tune. You know, you know you could have.

1147
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: I like the imperfections.

1148
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 5: That's what I use live music mostly, and that's why

1149
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 5: I don't auto tune myself, because I like the imperfections

1150
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 5: of music. But I do think that the originality of

1151
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 5: what people are doing now with the sonics is pretty

1152
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 5: pretty I.

1153
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 3: Always like analog because to me, music sounded better when

1154
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: we had to be in a room together, like right now,

1155
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 3: if we want to do a record together and I'm

1156
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 3: in du Ludolph, Germany and you could be in you

1157
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: could be in Austria or Australia and we can do

1158
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: it and we'll be on the same level. But when

1159
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: you're in that room, like like you said, with for

1160
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 3: a role, like when you're in that room seeing him

1161
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: make that magic, it makes you want to bring out

1162
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: the best on yourself. So that's the reason why I

1163
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: like the analog. You like the culture of anaalogic the

1164
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 3: culture of but you're.

1165
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 5: Right that the culture of analog is really just the culture.

1166
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: Of doing it together in the same space.

1167
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 5: It inspired collaboration, Like collaboration, it expires different phrasing, It

1168
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: inspires like somebody like I know that some of those

1169
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 5: like the Drake and twenty one records, and you know,

1170
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 5: they have to be made in the same room because

1171
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 5: the way they're bouncing off each other and the way

1172
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 5: they're complimenting each other's verses and styles and they're changing up.

1173
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: We're not just doing sixteen and sixteen and sixteen whatever

1174
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: it is. I think it really lends itself to a

1175
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: completely different and now it used to be we'd have

1176
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: the same lupe run for three minutes. All that it

1177
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: is over everybody's changing beats in the middle of the song,

1178
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. You know so so, and this is great.

1179
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 5: This is great for music, and it makes it more

1180
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 5: fun for the DJs and everything. So I think we

1181
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 5: continue to love the nostalgia of the old school, but

1182
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 5: we have to appreciate and embrace that.

1183
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: You can easily put a plug into it's just because

1184
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: then you love what Bruno does. You know, then You're like, hey, Bruno,

1185
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: you know you murdered.

1186
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 5: You know, the analog sound and the old school and

1187
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 5: great songwriting and strings and when somebody can do that,

1188
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 5: you know, you're like, well.

1189
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: Here here, but but not everybody can do what Bruno,

1190
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: it can do with the analog.

1191
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: Just so you don't wanted to correct you because you

1192
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 3: said the back and forth, so you can do back

1193
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: and wolf.

1194
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, like I've done it before. You're right,

1195
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: I've done it before. I've never done it.

1196
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 5: You know, I haven't done a livestream vocal. Uh yeah,

1197
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,479
Speaker 5: collaboration session. You're right, but it does happen.

1198
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: I mean, like you gotta realize all the technology is

1199
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 3: like available, it's available album right here.

1200
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: But see just the way you that you said about movies.

1201
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 5: How so maybe I want to envision twenty one and

1202
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 5: Drake in the studio.

1203
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't say it was start that I don't want.

1204
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not saying what they have done.

1205
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 3: I'm saying I've done before where I had to go

1206
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 3: back and forth with Capone and uh he also the

1207
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 3: skeleton all of like you know, him saying such and

1208
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 3: such and he knowing I'm gonna say this and then.

1209
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 3: And we've been on the phone too a couple of times,

1210
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: like yo, send me a send me this, this, this,

1211
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 3: the leaders far open, leaders far open.

1212
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: So it's been done before. So that's what I say.

1213
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: But I didn't say want to. It wasn't a missed

1214
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: the day. I did not say that. Okay, Okay, so

1215
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: we ain't take no shot for that, right, No, we're good. Yeah,

1216
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: Tory Lanez of the Weekend. The Weekend. Okay, this is

1217
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Canada ship right there. Yeah, Canada connected. And you know

1218
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: what I like? I like I like that he uh

1219
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: it really shares his truth lyrically, do you know what

1220
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean?

1221
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 5: A lot of R and B or pop uh singers

1222
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 5: and they they try to just go for the hit

1223
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 5: a lot of the time. You know, he finds a

1224
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 5: way to make hits by really truly telling his journey

1225
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 5: and his stories.

1226
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: And on the Weekend, Yeah that's right. Yeah, and he's

1227
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: got an amazing voice. Thriller off the wall. Oh that's

1228
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: a tough one. That's about. I can't but I can't.

1229
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to say, but I'm.

1230
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 5: Gonna go thriller Because the age that I was at,

1231
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 5: I had to go back to Off the Wall.

1232
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: It was my older friends at Homie. You need to

1233
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: go back to Off the Wall Thriller. I was seven

1234
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: years old and the thriller Vivent.

1235
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 5: It's no coincidence that thriller came out when I was seven,

1236
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 5: and at seven I decided I.

1237
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: Wanted to be a singer. There's no coincidence. Why, Okay,

1238
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 1: you took a shot anyway, Yeah, I'm joining you. I joined.

1239
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: He's all kind of guy I have. I have a driver,

1240
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: so cool. Yes, I'm not driving. Thank you, Drey or Puff.

1241
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: You know Dre obviously as the producer as the one

1242
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: of the greatest producers in the history of music, one

1243
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: of the great But.

1244
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 5: I've spent so much time around Puff and his family

1245
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 5: because of Andre Herrel, you know what I mean.

1246
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: And I've been a part of that that culture and

1247
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: the party culture. What I love about what Puff does

1248
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: also is and what Andre inspired and they did together.

1249
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: What is celebrating all of these achievements together and continuing

1250
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: to lift each other up.

1251
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 5: Not we're having a party and you can't come. No,

1252
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 5: we're having a party and everybody's coming, right, and we're

1253
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 5: all gonna be great, and we're all gonna lift up

1254
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 5: and we're all gonna take pictures together and we're all

1255
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 5: gonna support this movement that started, you know, with guys

1256
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 5: like Andre and Russell and Puff and Dr Dre.

1257
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: Okay Al Green or Teddy Pinogram. Ah, I'm so weird

1258
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: love with you. It's gentle. Just go gentle, sleep gentle,

1259
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: and I'm a Teddy p Manda, you know what I mean.

1260
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: I'll turn the lights off. Don't get me wrong, we'll

1261
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: do that too, but do something about it that I

1262
00:59:55,160 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: just I go for Okay, this one right here, it's

1263
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: classic m J or Prince. That's that's the that's the big,

1264
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: the big question. When the jay z right like, that's

1265
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: the Yeah, that's the baby Jesus and the adult Jesus. Jesus,

1266
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: that's awesome.

1267
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: So with Jesus going, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Jesus,

1268
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: no wrong answer.

1269
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 5: One of the great thing is they both taught me

1270
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 5: different things in different ways. Prince I learned my falsetto

1271
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 5: or I improved my falsetto by practicing. Prince that was

1272
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 5: because his control of his falsetto was extraordinary and unrivaled

1273
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 5: in some ways. So when I when I can sing

1274
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 5: a door and hit every note in the song.

1275
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm proud of myself and Michael.

1276
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean what. Michael was the pioneer of all things.

1277
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: And Prince was ill. He literally has asked out and

1278
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: nobody was offended and he was showing his head and

1279
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: he is. But whatever. I like this song, no one,

1280
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: no one places, no judgment, there's no judgment. I love

1281
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: this record. Did you ever link with Prince I did?

1282
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 1: I have some great Prince stories? Give us something we'd

1283
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: love Prince stories. I'm at one. Oh every time l A, okay, no,

1284
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: this is New York. Okay, New York. Every time I

1285
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: would show up.

1286
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 5: At a club and Prince was there, somebody would come

1287
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 5: over to me and say, Princess here and he wants

1288
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 5: you to, you know, come say hi. And so I

1289
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 5: would come and say hi the first couple of times,

1290
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 5: but then he would just sit there all quiet and

1291
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 5: wouldn't talk, wouldn't say.

1292
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: Now you're sitting next to him, you were just like

1293
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: you just kind of like say hi, And then he

1294
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: just wants you to sit there with him, do you

1295
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Just be with me, you know,

1296
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: and hang and I'm like, I get that, but I'm

1297
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, I want to go get wild over here.

1298
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 5: And you on this witness stuff, you know what I mean.

1299
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 5: After he got back to the really most of yeah,

1300
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 5: I mean most of I think he was. That was

1301
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 5: the last twelve to fifteen years, yeah, window stuff.

1302
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: And so so. So one night we're at one Oak

1303
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: and I go to the booth on you usually I

1304
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: with Richie.

1305
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 5: He was shout out to Richie my boy, and Prince

1306
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 5: is there and he's got a lovely lady with him

1307
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 5: and another friend, and I say hi and we shake hands.

1308
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 5: And then I'm sitting there and he's just just doing

1309
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 5: his you know, sit still kind of thing. He's not

1310
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 5: even moving his shoulders or dance. I'm like, you you

1311
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 5: can dance, you as you're not even grow So I

1312
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 5: tell Richard like you you'll get the mic and tell

1313
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 5: the DZ to play a kiss, you know what I mean.

1314
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting about as far away from him as

1315
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 5: we are now, and the Eric comes on.

1316
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: I just go, you don't have to be the fuck

1317
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: and I sing note for note the whole song.

1318
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 5: So as he's sitting there, but after a few lines,

1319
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 5: he like leans over and he says then to the lady, like,

1320
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 5: who's that singing?

1321
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: She goes, it's Robin. He's right there and he looks

1322
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: at me and he just goes on the next two minutes.

1323
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: Just make Prinson. You got a story, Michaels Prince Mo,

1324
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: I wrote Michael sang a song of ut. Yes, I

1325
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: wrote a song by Michael. Story is.

1326
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 5: It was the day after the Grammys. It was Madonna

1327
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 5: and Ricky Martin. Uh, you know Ricky Martin. Ricky Martin

1328
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 5: comes out on the Grammys and has this big blow up.

1329
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: Moment, right, he does a couple of life blah blah blah.

1330
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 5: So the next day, Tommy Mottola is looking for a

1331
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 5: duet for Ricky Martin and Madonna. Right, Madonna wants to

1332
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 5: do a duet with Ricky Martin and Tommy needs the song.

1333
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 5: He calls Walter Afanasif, who was the producer of the

1334
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 5: Titanic Celindi on song and all of Mariah's first three albums.

1335
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: So Walter.

1336
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 5: And I had started a song a few months earlier,

1337
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 5: and so he calls me up and said, I got

1338
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 5: I got.

1339
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: A call from Tommy Mottola. He's looking for a song

1340
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: from Madonna and Ricky Martin, and I think that song

1341
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: we started would be perfect for him. I'm in LA

1342
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: because it was the day after the Grammys. Can I

1343
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: come up to your studio? And we finished that song right.

1344
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 5: So, the day after the Grammys, Walter Finasif comes to

1345
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 5: my studio, we finished the vocals on Fall Again. We

1346
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 5: send it to Tommy Mattola. Tommy says the next day,

1347
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 5: this is so good, I'm sending it to Michael see

1348
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 5: bypass Don and Ricky Marty sends it right to Michael.

1349
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,479
Speaker 5: Michael loves it instantly wants to cut it. A couple

1350
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 5: days later, Tommy Mattola flies me to New York, puts

1351
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 5: me up at the Trump Hotel to write for Sony

1352
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 5: for the next ten days while Michael's next door. I'm

1353
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 5: not allowed to be in the room with Michael, but

1354
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 5: I'm next door writing for other artists. And that's when

1355
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 5: I wrote with Mark Anthony. So I'm writing with Mark

1356
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 5: Anthony while Michael's in the studio next door.

1357
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: Singing my song and I think I'm twenty one, you know,

1358
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: something like that.

1359
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 5: And so Michael ended up releasing it on his History album,

1360
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 5: and he kept all my vocals in the chorus. So

1361
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 5: it's him singing the verses and him ad libbing, and

1362
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 5: it's all my voice on the chorus.

1363
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: So I do it. That's crazy. I'll wrap up.

1364
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 5: I'll wrap up my Michael Jackson's story with I was

1365
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 5: supposed to I had I had released when I Get

1366
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 5: You Alone, and he was a big fan of that song.

1367
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 5: Because I was doing Michael and so I was supposed

1368
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 5: to open up for him at the O two Arena

1369
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 5: on July twelfth and fourteenth.

1370
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: My whole family was going to fly out from Canada

1371
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: and my dad was coming. They were about to book

1372
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: the tickets and Michael passed away. Yeah, so.

1373
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: Stories stories, Uh, Otis reading or Sam Cook, I'm gonna

1374
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: go Otis.

1375
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 5: Just because he had I had some kind of connection

1376
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 5: with his vocals and that I can explain. I think

1377
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 5: Otis might be in the end my very favorite singer. Hmmm,

1378
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 5: because there's the pain turned into.

1379
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: Any particular, the open the Door, He's got a lot, Yeah,

1380
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: he just the way he sings is just there's something

1381
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: to own it.

1382
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 5: Oh no, the classic what's the tri Little Tenderness? If

1383
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 5: you if you there's some footage of him performing Try

1384
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 5: Little Tenderness in the UK as this big, strong, powerful

1385
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 5: black man in the sixties for all these white kids,

1386
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 5: and it is it's very special to watch and the

1387
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 5: way he sings and the I mean, you feel something

1388
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 5: like the world has to change after a person like

1389
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 5: this sings like this in front of these people, the

1390
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 5: world has to change. Erica bad or Mary J. Blas,

1391
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 5: I gotta go marry Jay love Erica. But Mary Jay

1392
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 5: and I have through the Andre family and you know,

1393
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 5: and and because also so she came first, and you know,

1394
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 5: when you're younger, things can hit you a little harder,

1395
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? The more you see

1396
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 5: and the more the more it all relates to who

1397
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 5: you first fell for.

1398
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige and Joe to see and guy and

1399
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: that that was that was the.

1400
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 5: Foundation of And that's when Andre Herrel came to my house.

1401
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 5: I was like, what he's Uptown Records all the thing

1402
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 5: for him?

1403
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he did with Uptown was incredible and then

1404
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 2: eventually with Puff and bad Boy, with with that.

1405
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: All created was crazy. Yeah. The next one, uh D'Angelo,

1406
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: Blao D'Angelo.

1407
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 5: I used to play D'Angelo albums first. When people would

1408
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 5: walk into my after parties. It would always start with D'Angelo.

1409
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 5: That was the warm upe.

1410
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: You start with D'Angelo, now addition or Jackson five, you know, uh,

1411
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: for me generationally, it would be New Addition obviously, uh

1412
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: or obviously in my opinion catalog wise, you know, the

1413
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: Jackson five catalog is is so deep.

1414
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 5: But I grew up in the New Edition era, and

1415
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 5: when they split, I had all the album. I had

1416
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 5: the Johnny gil album. I had their album Treasure Red album.

1417
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: I had the B v D album, I had the

1418
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, so there was there was the first back

1419
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: then definitely like we said, and then everything broke off

1420
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: and the remixes and the out in the style to

1421
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: the outfits the b he had. I had the backwards

1422
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: overalls with the writing. Absolutely that run that they've had.

1423
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely no, That's what I'm saying even till now, but incredible.

1424
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 3: TLCOR SWV.

1425
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: Vocally SWV. Yeah, I would have.

1426
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 5: For me, I would have because I'm a singer, you know,

1427
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 5: I'm a sang sanger. So when I think of Week

1428
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 5: in the Knees, like the people that I literally would

1429
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 5: sing and practice their vocals over and over again. TLC

1430
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 5: was more like these They're just the coolest, funnest and

1431
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 5: you jam along and they make they have the most

1432
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 5: incredible personnel these but the vocals of wu V really

1433
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 5: got to me.

1434
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: Okay, loyalty or respect, man, that's a I gotta go both.

1435
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: That's the one time. God I got it for that one.

1436
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: You can't really have one without the other. Make goo

1437
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: for that. But I like that you can't have one

1438
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: without the other because you got to think about it,

1439
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 1: have one without what's that? Love and marriage?

1440
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 3: Marriage, loyalty and respect. I always start out the Black

1441
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 3: album anyway is there? But we played this game all

1442
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 3: the time, and the thing is, that's the one time

1443
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 3: that we're not trying to be tricky. Is I think

1444
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: loyalty and respect is just hand in hand.

1445
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: I think you.

1446
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,799
Speaker 3: I think you have to have both in order to exist.

1447
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, so let's get now that we got that

1448
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 3: out the way, let's get to.

1449
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 1: Blurred line. Oh God, to take a smoke break, you

1450
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: know what? Smoking cigarette in here? Man? I still want

1451
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: to do it on camera? Yeah, I just didn't want

1452
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: to do it. You don't want to do it on camera?

1453
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: Cool a little sugar yet, Okay, I'll do I'll do it.

1454
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to get on camp all right, cool, cool, cool.

1455
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: I respect that. I don't want to let's go straight

1456
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: right into it. Sure got it, boy. Yeah, So I

1457
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: know we left off.

1458
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 3: Very lines, but I want to get back to that

1459
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 3: because one of the things is, uh, the Malleable fires.

1460
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that happen?

1461
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 5: Well, it had started over on the other side of

1462
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 5: the hill in the valley, stamping in the valley, and

1463
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 5: it was b lining straight for our neighborhood during the night.

1464
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 5: So wife he was checking, you know, the updates and everything.

1465
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 5: And then around six thirty am, I got up to

1466
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 5: get ready to take my son to school.

1467
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: I had a nine month old daughter and wife he

1468
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: was pregnant. So the fumes and the smoke that were

1469
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: coming were so bad that I was like, you know,

1470
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: we got to get out of here. I don't want

1471
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: any of us breathing this stuff, so let's just get

1472
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: out of here. So we started packing up.

1473
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 5: And then around eight am, right when we were about

1474
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 5: to leave, it was a mandatory evacuation for the whole city,

1475
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 5: so we knew something was wrong.

1476
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: So I went and grabbed my music. First.

1477
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 5: I went and got the computer that you know, got

1478
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 5: that all the music, and I got my guitars. I

1479
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 5: got my dad's photo albums, loaded up everything I could

1480
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 5: into the car. I got a few suits, you know

1481
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 5: what I mean. And my son packed a bag. I

1482
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 5: was like, pack up. He just put like a pair

1483
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 5: of underwear in a book and I was like, dude,

1484
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 5: you better grab some cit.

1485
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we got in the.

1486
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 5: Car, headed north to Santa Barbara and then went around

1487
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 5: to her family who's down in Huntington Beach and spend

1488
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 5: the night with them. And when we woke up the

1489
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 5: next morning, if somebody sent a neighbor sent us pictures

1490
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 5: of you know, are just rubble. The whole thing brubble, Yeah,

1491
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 5: just into rubble. The funny thing was I have a carport.

1492
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 5: The carport wasn't touched. I could have taken all the furniture.

1493
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 5: The only and the thing that really bugged was my

1494
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 5: piano that I wrote all of those songs on.

1495
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one hurs. But thanks shout out to Yamahab

1496
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: sending me a new one because the new one's supposed

1497
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: to be on the way.

1498
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 3: That's that's what's crazy about California is you guys actually

1499
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 3: have earthquakes. You guys have fires, Like like like why

1500
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 3: is California, this beautiful place that you still stay at.

1501
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: I think it's just seventy degrees every day. It's just

1502
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: like I remember Jimmy, I mean told me that. He

1503
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: was like, I moved out to.

1504
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 5: Califoried but worked in, you know, New York my whole life.

1505
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 5: Then we moved out to California, and I was like,

1506
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 5: I'm never going back.

1507
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: And I think some people have that.

1508
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 5: You know, some people are die hard New Yorkers and

1509
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 5: some people are like, man, you know, the the New

1510
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 5: York struggle is hard to you know, and sometimes you

1511
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 5: looking for a little That's why a lot of New

1512
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 5: Yorkers like to go to Florida too, you know. But

1513
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 5: but there's nothing nothing makes you stronger than New York,

1514
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

1515
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: And like my New York friends, I wouldn't be like

1516
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been able to handle Like when I

1517
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: need when I need shoulders, I call my New York friends,

1518
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and they know how to

1519
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: how to you know, give you that that pep talk

1520
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: and that let's get back to a game, you know

1521
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. And sometimes I think that's uh, Californians

1522
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: were just wallowing that Sunshownny again. But you learn a

1523
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: lot from New York from New Yorkers.

1524
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 3: But Vallible was one of my favorite places on earth.

1525
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 3: It's a retirement spot.

1526
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 5: And I didn't realize that that that when I when

1527
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 5: I moved out there was because I had a son

1528
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 5: and this new lovely lady shout out aper love and uh,

1529
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 5: and I wanted to have a big family, you know,

1530
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 5: And so we had three kids and and it's beautiful

1531
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 5: and it's gorgeous, but also I really missed the the

1532
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 5: I used to live in the Hollywood Hills and I

1533
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 5: have Andre stoped by every couple of days and we'd

1534
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 5: smoke one and I'd pick up on some culture. He'd

1535
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 5: bring some friends by, get some new information, and that

1536
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 5: really inspires the music, you know what I mean. And

1537
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,839
Speaker 5: so so once you get out into your little bubble

1538
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 5: and it's just me having to create out of thin

1539
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 5: air all the time, and I don't have all this

1540
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 5: invasion and flow, you know, it's a little more challenging sometimes,

1541
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 5: you know. So I miss I missed the energy and

1542
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 5: the flow might be moving to Miami.

1543
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: Let me let me actually, because all right really happened

1544
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: in Miami was.

1545
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: People had hurricane insurance, yeah, but not flood insurance, which

1546
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 3: was like like I remember, like me when I first

1547
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 3: moved out here, and it was some type of storm

1548
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 3: or whatever, right, I forget one of it is, but.

1549
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 2: It was it was sandy. It was Sandy, Sandy New York.

1550
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: I thought that was no that went all the way

1551
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: and Katrina.

1552
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: My studio. Yeah, so my studios people had hurricane assurance.

1553
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: That's how people got over. I mean, it wasn't getting over.

1554
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 3: They've said, well, it wasn't the hurricane that caused damage

1555
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 3: to it. It was the actual flooding, which was the

1556
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: whole difference. It's mandatory now though.

1557
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1558
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when your situation happened, did you have insurance

1559
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 3: for that?

1560
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: I got lucky. Yeah.

1561
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 5: I actually about a month before, I was going through

1562
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 5: my bills and I called my business manager and I

1563
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 5: was like, why am I paying so much for insurance?

1564
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: Right? And she was like, there's a lot of fires

1565
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: out there? Thank god.

1566
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 5: Months later, Wow, thank god, I paid that bill. And

1567
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 5: you know, four years, four years later, in hindsight, I

1568
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 5: got a brand new home, you know, that I built

1569
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 5: for my kids and I built for I got my

1570
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 5: own little man cave outside with my fireplace and a barbecue,

1571
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 5: and I got everything lined up so the kids are

1572
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 5: right there and the players right there and the treehouse

1573
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 5: and all that.

1574
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: So, you know, I think that you get through your

1575
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: toughest times.

1576
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 5: But what was important to me, especially when that happened

1577
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 5: with my son, was just to show him how we

1578
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 5: survive as a family. That's when you have to lead

1579
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 5: by example and keep the laughs coming, keep the joy coming.

1580
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: And let let them know that you're going to be okay.

1581
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: We're going to be okay, and tough times make us strong,

1582
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: you know.

1583
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: And metaphorical rebuilding your home is just showing your kids, like, look,

1584
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 2: you just it comes apart, you rebuild it, and.

1585
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: We have each other, Like really, let's focus on rat

1586
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: We're alive, we're healthy, we're together, and we have a home.

1587
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: We have a room, our heads. Sounds like a chain

1588
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: of events for I think house.

1589
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I had a run, I had I got divorced,

1590
01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 5: sued house, my father passed away, my manager passed away,

1591
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 5: my house burned down, and then Andre passed away. I

1592
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:11,959
Speaker 5: lost all three of my my big brother father figures,

1593
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 5: you know, in a.

1594
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 3: Couple of years now now me as you know, being

1595
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 3: a fellow entertainer. I always knew that I never got

1596
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 3: over my father's death, right, I never.

1597
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 1: I never did. I never, Like I buried it with music.

1598
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,799
Speaker 1: To tell the truth, I'll be honest.

1599
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 3: I met the end of the day my father died,

1600
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 3: Chris Lidy came to see me as my manager who

1601
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 3: passed away, Chrislidiers love you, Chris, And he told me

1602
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 3: straight up. He was like, Yo, it's either we can

1603
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 3: get off of this tour house. On tour, I had

1604
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 3: a number one record as my father died, right, number

1605
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 3: one record, number one album in the country. Don't know

1606
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 3: what it means at this time, twenty two twenty whatever,

1607
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 3: but I remember him saying to me, like, yo, either

1608
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 3: we could get his money back or we can have stayed.

1609
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: And in high that was the right decision.

1610
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 3: It was you worked through that. It was the right decision.

1611
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 3: But later on in life, I could still feel that

1612
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 3: I never got over.

1613
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean as a person who lost my

1614
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: father to Obviously, my father wasn't as famous as your

1615
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: father was, but he was your hero. But he was.

1616
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: He was my hero. He was he was literally my hero.

1617
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: I hear you talking about your father, So how is

1618
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: that coping with this, how do you do? You will? I?

1619
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: I had three kids in a row. That was him

1620
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: working for you in heaven. No, no, no, you know what,

1621
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: I had to feel the void. I had to fill

1622
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: the void. And I don't know if ten kids could

1623
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: fill the void of my father, you know, but but

1624
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: they definitely have given me a purpose, given me love,

1625
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: smiles and and made and it made me wake up

1626
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: every day with something to do that I love doing.

1627
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 2: How much as being a father changed the day to

1628
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: day business, I'm doing this.

1629
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, let's just say we don't drink

1630
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: tequila unless we're on drinks one.

1631
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 5: But no, I think that, you know, if you're gonna

1632
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 5: get up at six thirty and be present, and I take.

1633
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: My kids to school every morning, I'm I'm up at

1634
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: six thirty. I want. I like to be the first

1635
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: face they see.

1636
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 5: I like to give them their muffins and their pancakes,

1637
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 5: and and I like to take them to school. And

1638
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 5: then once I know they're at school and they're loved

1639
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 5: and they're uh, they're they're feeling good, then.

1640
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: I can go to my job, you know what I mean.

1641
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 5: So that's that's I like to prioritize my day as

1642
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 5: my kids come first. They know the dead Dad loves

1643
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 5: them and got them to their thing on time, well

1644
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 5: sometimes on time, and then Dad goes to get his

1645
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 5: exercise or work on his music, blah blah, and then

1646
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 5: we finished.

1647
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: The day as a family.

1648
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1649
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 3: That was that was the one thing about you. I

1650
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 3: was super impressive. Off top was we know we do

1651
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 3: this a lot, and you were on time. You were

1652
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 3: three minutes early.

1653
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: I was like, and then I've seen you had to

1654
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: sit together, you had to people coming out, they start

1655
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: filming you. I said, oh they yeah, I was very professional.

1656
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: I was out there like this out there thing. Watched it.

1657
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: You broke the blinds that could have been I don't know,

1658
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: but I looked and I was I was just so impressed.

1659
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing about.

1660
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 3: The business is a lot of us take ship for granted,

1661
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 3: especially earlier. And I'll tell you who taught me. This

1662
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 3: is one of my idols. His name is Leo cohnbes Yeah,

1663
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 3: and I could never beat Leo Cohens to a meeting.

1664
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 3: Never once could I ever beat him. Like I would

1665
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 3: try to come half an hour early and he'll be looking.

1666
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 3: I knew he was gonna try.

1667
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: This and I'll come an hour early and he'll he'll

1668
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: always like, we'll have a meeting at f and he'll

1669
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: be there at one thirty. I'm like, look you're doing

1670
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: Like He's like, I knew you try to beat me.

1671
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1672
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 3: To me that was always impressive, Like because you don't

1673
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 3: waste no one's time. Yeah, one person, Sime is so

1674
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 3: valuable and the fact I know what I mean, like

1675
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 3: fully knowing you, I know that you are a great

1676
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 3: person because it's a certain things about a person that

1677
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,879
Speaker 3: I have to assess in fifteen seconds. You met every criteria,

1678
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 3: particular as I walk in my father's shoes. And he

1679
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 3: he loved people, he loved the business, he loved you know,

1680
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 3: just doing this whole thing.

1681
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: Man. And I used to get scared when I was.

1682
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: I used to hold onto my music too precious, and

1683
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't show myself. I would hide myself. And

1684
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 1: that's why it took me time to become a performer,

1685
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 1: because I just wanted the music to do all the talking.

1686
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: I didn't want anything else to matter except the music.

1687
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: And then that's with this Mass Singer Show has been

1688
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: so great for me because working with a guy like

1689
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: doctor Can and letting him make fun of me, letting

1690
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: everybody make fun of me.

1691
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 5: It's really become my new superpower, which is I can

1692
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 5: laugh at myself and I can appreciate the things that

1693
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 5: I'm good at and what I can do, and then

1694
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 5: I can laugh at what I'm not good at and

1695
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 5: what I can you know what I mean. And that

1696
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 5: has really changed my life myself. I mean, because I

1697
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 5: don't know if I would have done this ten years ago.

1698
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 5: You know, I would have been too scared of anything

1699
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 5: that I didn't want to be known for or say.

1700
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 5: But I've become comfortable in my skin by being the

1701
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 5: butt of the.

1702
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 1: Joke every once in a while. And it's relieving. It's really, yeah,

1703
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: it is. Now let's talk about sex. Therapy. Is sex

1704
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: your therapy? I think that the therapy comes in all forms.

1705
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: I think, you know, a little jay watching the sun

1706
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 1: go down his therapy. I think me swimming with my

1707
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 1: two year old son in the pool is therapy. I

1708
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: think it's all making sure that you balance enough of

1709
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: your life to get the joys of everybody in your

1710
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: life and all.

1711
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 5: The experiences you can accumulate daily, weekly, and monthly. So

1712
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 5: for me, the therapy is really just a change of

1713
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 5: whatever I'm doing right now. The next happy thing is therapeutic.

1714
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 5: The next happy thing is that making dinner for my kids?

1715
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: Is there? Do you know what I mean? I like

1716
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: to go to costcos. Yeah, I like to go to extent.

1717
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 1: I put on a mask, a little little sunglasses. It

1718
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: doesn't work. It doesn't work. You put on a mask,

1719
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: by the way. I love the mask, like because you

1720
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: know I want to be you mean COVID. Yes, you

1721
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: put that on now, like I mean, and then yeah,

1722
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 1: I put it on.

1723
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 3: I go, you know, when I want to go somewhere

1724
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 3: to a hotel or something like that, Like I'll put

1725
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 3: it on, put the glasses on. But it's like it

1726
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 3: didn't matter because I'll be walking through and somebody black,

1727
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 3: what's up North? I did everything for you not to

1728
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 3: recognize me. And that's the first thing, Like it doesn't

1729
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 3: matter my eyebrows.

1730
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Robin Dick, I can't hold it bolls.

1731
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 3: Okay, but all right, let's look, I got so much

1732
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 3: notes because your life, your life is really dope.

1733
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: It's really dope. It's been interesting, it's been interesting. It's

1734
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: been interesting.

1735
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 3: Still is so okay, let's let's get to magic. Okay,

1736
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 3: let's talk about magic for a second. How where was

1737
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 3: you at?

1738
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: Well, this was this is when I was going through.

1739
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 5: I had just had my first success, real success with

1740
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 5: Loss Without You and the Evolution album, and everything was

1741
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 5: happening very fast. I did Oprah a couple of times,

1742
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 5: and and you know, it was really feeling like, you know,

1743
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:51,520
Speaker 5: I remember.

1744
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: Paula at the time. She would say, we're not crazy,

1745
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: We're not crazy.

1746
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 5: You know your music like people do like sitting there

1747
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 5: like thinking these songs are really good. And then you know,

1748
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 5: finally it reaches the people and gets that kind of

1749
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 5: response and you're like, Okay, we're not crazy, let's keep going.

1750
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: So, you know, Magic was really about believing. And and

1751
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: also it was Paula.

1752
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 5: Paula was becoming very successful and her and I wrote

1753
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 5: that song together. She came up with a lot of

1754
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 5: that wait what yeah, magic, Yeah, that's a lot of.

1755
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: That's Paula on that.

1756
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,799
Speaker 5: Paula was great at being able to throw out lyrical ideas,

1757
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. When I would get stuck

1758
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 5: on something, I'd be like, I got this great track,

1759
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 5: but I just need to I don't I don't know,

1760
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 5: I don't like what I'm singing over it, And she

1761
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 5: would come up with a little something and give me

1762
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 5: a spark, and she was amazing at that. So she,

1763
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 5: her and I wrote Magic together. I think some of

1764
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 5: it was based on remember the book The Secret, So

1765
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 5: the the the idea of the Secret is I got it,

1766
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 5: you got it, We got the magic. We can make

1767
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 5: the pain disappear, you know, and we can erase the past.

1768
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.

1769
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 5: We can make the future sign so bright, and we

1770
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 5: can make right now all right. So it was about

1771
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 5: the power of having magic and all of us to

1772
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 5: have a magic that we can change our lives, change

1773
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 5: our futures, and change our course.

1774
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 3: By the way, that your record with Trey song was

1775
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 3: bad Girl with Tray Song, Bad Girl, you got so

1776
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 3: much hits.

1777
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: He was that boogie with the hoodie I remember being

1778
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: a boogie record. I forgot Trey was on it too,

1779
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: that's by the way. That's like you went to the

1780
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: bathroom and I was just sitting there talking just now.

1781
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: It was like, yo, you forgot he had a hit record,

1782
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: Like who forgets you have a hit record?

1783
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 3: That is a dope problem that well, that's a dope

1784
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 3: problem trade a little mad you don't even remember, but

1785
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 3: it's still a good problem.

1786
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 5: That's that's because it was more recent. Yeah, it was

1787
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 5: more recent. And that was one once again digitals that

1788
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 5: was like where I wasn't with Bookie, So I don't

1789
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 5: have a studio experience.

1790
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:04,839
Speaker 1: I don't picture.

1791
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 5: I wasn't there with Trey, you know what I mean.

1792
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 5: So when I hear it, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.

1793
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 5: So yeah, some of those things don't register as much

1794
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 5: when you have that visual.

1795
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: That experience. Right, And you got a song called Brown Liquor.

1796
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: That's the new one with Gotti here Wagatti, that's the

1797
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: new one with got you know what's you know? It's

1798
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: so dope about you, all the accolades we spoke about earlier.

1799
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: Everything we spoke about was you went through to see

1800
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 1: your passion when you just played your new record, Do

1801
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 1: you still have that passion? I lost my shit a

1802
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: long time ago.

1803
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 3: Like like what I'm trying to tell you is I

1804
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 3: don't want to say we have similar lights, but we

1805
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 3: have you know, I believe you forty five years old.

1806
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm forty five, just turned forty six. Oh don'tkay Dan,

1807
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: you older me By one.

1808
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, so soone you look at the years

1809
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 3: and the thing is our maya you still having passion

1810
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 3: like that ship because because this is the reason why

1811
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 3: I like a lot of times people ask me for

1812
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 3: a verse or they asked me to be a part

1813
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 3: of their music, and I'm kind of like done with

1814
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 3: that life.

1815
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a good thing and I'm done with

1816
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: that life.

1817
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 3: What I mean by that is if I'm not one

1818
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 3: hundred percent, I can't do it right right, So I

1819
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 3: wouldn't waste nobody's time. But for me to see you

1820
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 3: just now, I just was I was doing my peripheral vision,

1821
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 3: so I didn't want you.

1822
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: To know I was just watching you. But I was

1823
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,560
Speaker 1: watching and when I seen your smile, come on the

1824
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: fact that you still have passion, yeah for music is

1825
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: but nomen no, well you used to have passion period

1826
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: because you have such a dope light. You have so

1827
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: much things and you can still I saw that smile.

1828
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 1: But you know what, I love.

1829
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 5: I love the There's nothing better than love, and there's

1830
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 5: nothing harder than love, you know what I mean.

1831
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: And so I always have something to write about always

1832
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: because I'm in love, you know what I mean.

1833
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 5: And I love my kids, and I miss my dad,

1834
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,600
Speaker 5: and I miss Andre, and there's so much love in

1835
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 5: my heart for so many people in my life that

1836
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 5: all I need to do is have the space and

1837
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 5: the choiet to tap into that love and there's.

1838
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: Something to talk about, you know.

1839
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 5: Now this song is more of a fun sex but

1840
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 5: in the sense the lyrics are still I'm talking about

1841
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,799
Speaker 5: someone in particular and I'm saying I only.

1842
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: Drink this liquor. And this is a long Empire Records.

1843
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 5: Right I think this one the last album was with Empire.

1844
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 5: This is independent.

1845
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: This is just with Me is an Empire independent as well?

1846
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean this is it would be going through

1847
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 2: Empire as an imprint.

1848
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: But not this particular song right now.

1849
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because I'm actually I'm formulating the new album

1850
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 5: and looking for the new distribution deal.

1851
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: But I want to have most of the album done,

1852
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: you know. I want to have the recorce like that.

1853
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: This is This was the teas like the teaser single, yeah,

1854
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: but teaser singles was not even I don't know if

1855
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: it's got you know, don't The radio hasn't quite picked

1856
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: it up, So I think it's going to be more

1857
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: of just an underground jam.

1858
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 3: But I gotta act this because you said this is independent,

1859
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 3: So you paid for the video or did you get?

1860
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: Yes? Did you get? You got to ask the question though, No, No,

1861
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: I I I'm going I got, I got a little money,

1862
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: but no, most of this is self finance, okay, self mind.

1863
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we have another famous question that we always ask,

1864
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 3: major or independent.

1865
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 5: Oh well, I think for a young artist, a major

1866
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 5: label deal is can be very helpful.

1867
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: I think you think today in today's environment, No, I mean.

1868
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 5: I'm I think that there's just so many different outlets.

1869
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 5: But I do think that the support of a major

1870
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 5: label system. I do think that the deals need to

1871
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 5: be red reworked. Obviously, I don't think there's a there's

1872
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 5: fairness within the structure, but I do believe.

1873
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: That I do miss the Jimmy Ivean roundhouse. That's what

1874
01:30:55,560 --> 01:31:02,560
Speaker 1: he misses. I mean, why when Jimmy Ivan.

1875
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 5: Calls you at seven thirty in the morning and says,

1876
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 5: this is the best record you've ever made, It's going

1877
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 5: to be number one all over the world, and then

1878
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 5: it is right, you missed that.

1879
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. It seemed like a practice answer.

1880
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm a big Jimmy ivan fan shout

1881
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 5: out to Jimmy ivanen Old.

1882
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 3: The time I says, as long as you had a

1883
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 3: good deal, majors is not the problem. As long as

1884
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 3: you have a good deal, meaning like you negotiate what

1885
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 3: you want, right.

1886
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 2: But I don't even think you mean that though, to

1887
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 2: be honest with you, a good deal, because I think

1888
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 2: you're talking for it to be to have a hit record.

1889
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: I think yes, the artist that hell, I don't think

1890
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 1: a major. I don't think a major is good for

1891
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: a hit record. I think a major is helpful in

1892
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: the overall international, worldwide promotion of a brand new art.

1893
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 2: If the labels behind you, that's always been our debaker,

1894
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 2: that the labels behind you. For every artist that had

1895
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 2: a great experience out of that label, there's ten below

1896
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 2: one hundred more. I'm just but yeah, a ton that

1897
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 2: didn't have it, they didn't have the label backing then.

1898
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this, as an artist, there's no

1899
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 1: worse a feeling in the world. I know. Worst is

1900
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: not a word. I get it. It's a dream chance word.

1901
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,679
Speaker 3: It's a dream chance world. There's no worse of feeling

1902
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 3: and dropping a hit record. You knowing this a hit

1903
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 3: record and then not becoming a hit record that it hurts,

1904
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 3: and a major label gives you more of an opportunity

1905
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 3: for your dream to come to fruition. Because what I'm

1906
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 3: trying to tell you is like after a while, remember

1907
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 3: you make a hit record and then they say, well

1908
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 3: it's not as good as your last year.

1909
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: You fell off, so you got to go in and

1910
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: make another hit record. And as an artist, when you

1911
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: give it to an independent who who's not familiar with

1912
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 1: the radio station in Atlanta, not familiar with there's one

1913
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 1: station in Las Vegas, you do the proper thing. You

1914
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:54,959
Speaker 1: automatically added.

1915
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's what you made all that you went wrong

1916
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 2: already you said when you give it to an independent,

1917
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 2: you should be the dependent.

1918
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be given it to another independent label. No,

1919
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I ain't mean that.

1920
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,839
Speaker 3: You're right, So okay, when you hire when you're independent,

1921
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 3: you have to hire a staff. You still have to

1922
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 3: try to do everything. A major label is to do

1923
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 3: it because you want that major label win. And boy,

1924
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 3: when if you if you don't have that great nothing like.

1925
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 1: The machine, nothing like there's nothing like the machine. You

1926
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: can all agree to that we love you.

1927
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 3: Jimmy's wherever you're at Kevin Leo's, Mike Kaiser.

1928
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: Don't think work that.

1929
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 3: Don't think that the work that you're doing at these

1930
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,799
Speaker 3: major labels is going unnoticed. Because still I'm being honest,

1931
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 3: and this is what I recommend for every new artist.

1932
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 3: The first three albums, you go on to major, and

1933
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 3: then after they spend that twenty million hours on you,

1934
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 3: then you can spend that twenty million hours on yourself.

1935
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: I would say backwards.

1936
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 2: In today's in today's climate, you could go on through

1937
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 2: social media, don't do much and just to make whatever

1938
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 2: music that resonates with your audience. Get these followers and

1939
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 2: these likes or whatever you need to do. And the

1940
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 2: labels they're lazy.

1941
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 1: Now they're not. They're not. They're not developing artists anymore.

1942
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: And you'll be able to control you can control you.

1943
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: You can have a better deal at a major. Use

1944
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: the machine, come up as an independent, and then come

1945
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: out of that machine a lot more whole.

1946
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 5: But most of those records come from the streets, and

1947
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 5: the streets have the urgency and the and the that

1948
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 5: deserve the immediate attention of the listeners. You know what, right,

1949
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 5: Because when there's some fresh on the street, you know

1950
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 5: that they like when fifty was coming or these records

1951
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 5: are come and these artists are coming, you know, the labels.

1952
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 1: Know and uh. And that's why I agree with you.

1953
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: I think if you, if you already have heat, but

1954
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: if you need the producers and you need the songwriters.

1955
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 5: So you need, then the label is going to connect

1956
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 5: you with those. If you if you're Gotti's camp.

1957
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: And you just got records and video directors and guys

1958
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: coming straight from the streets in your neighborhood, then you

1959
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: got to I mean, he's got a cash machine.

1960
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 3: I think that's a greate example is fifty fifty had

1961
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 3: the streets already like did before it d independent god

1962
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 3: independent mix.

1963
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: But when he got with that label, he got with it.

1964
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 2: Was I've always said that he independent, so you can

1965
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 2: take advantage of the machine.

1966
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 3: I think that he could have still been one of

1967
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 3: the biggest artists without them, but he became one of

1968
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 3: the biggest superstars with them, like he became Like I

1969
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 3: love looking at Tony Yale's Instagram and seeing these motherfuckers

1970
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 3: in places I can't pronounce.

1971
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: And they just sitting here. I love that ship. I'm

1972
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: like like this is this is it? Like because I

1973
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: saw it from the beginning. So again I love this argument.

1974
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: Just to give a quick analogy, super independent.

1975
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 2: The quick analogy I would give is like you're a

1976
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 2: small business owner doing it on your own and you're

1977
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 2: you're you're succeeding at us. You reached your your ceiling

1978
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,640
Speaker 2: of success, but you're succeeding, and now you can go

1979
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 2: to the bank and ask for that credit line that's

1980
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: like a million dollars. You know, that's what That's what

1981
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 2: the labels are. They're they're credit lines. You know they're

1982
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 2: they're bad. But but you also no, I mean with experts,

1983
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:08,560
Speaker 2: I want to appreciate it.

1984
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 5: And because as we've had the owner to work with

1985
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 5: the other people below the CEOs, there are great.

1986
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 1: Video heads, marketers, marketers, there are great there are people

1987
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: with can've worked under some people that know how to

1988
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,560
Speaker 1: talk to people that the artists can't. Absolutely and the

1989
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 1: artists can't get on the phone and hold a conversation

1990
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: with the marketing team and with the blah blah blah team,

1991
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: and you know, and so.

1992
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 5: They need those teams to go out into the world

1993
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 5: for them and and do the talking for them. So

1994
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 5: I think it's their strength in numbers, you know.

1995
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: What I mean?

1996
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 5: And you you can do as much you want to do,

1997
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 5: as much as you can individually. Even me is And

1998
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 5: now I say I want to write the song.

1999
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to try to do everything

2000
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: on my own.

2001
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 5: Now, if someone else comes in and has a better

2002
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 5: idea or wants to make it better, I'm all for it.

2003
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 5: I've got to generate the magic from scratch and then

2004
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 5: the other.

2005
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: Things will come. You know what I mean? You know

2006
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: what else?

2007
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 3: The problem is to you get to a certain lifestyle

2008
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 3: that the label has provided for you.

2009
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: He cannot dumb that. That's hard. Like that's what you

2010
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: really understand about. That's hard? You like that? Like that?

2011
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 3: Like on that one I watched him pull up and

2012
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 3: I said, see that's recolation with ship, that's recogetion, recolletel.

2013
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: Ship down. You would like. What I'm saying is if

2014
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 1: you were to sit here and just to say, as

2015
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 1: he pulled up, was he major Independent? You would know?

2016
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: You would know off top listen he's rolling like a major.

2017
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 1: That's because I got it. I'm on the TV shows.

2018
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: That's where the car money. By the way, that's hilarious.

2019
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 1: I love that. Holy I got man more truth.

2020
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I wrote for Brandy, you wrote for brianan Knight,

2021
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,879
Speaker 3: You wrote for Christina Aguilero, You wrote for Color.

2022
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: Me Bad, Oh Man, color Me Bad? What did you

2023
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: write for them their second album? I was sixteen and.

2024
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 5: I was working with Tricky Stewart and their second album.

2025
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 5: Tricky was working with them, and I wrote a song

2026
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 5: called sexual Capacity or something like that that ended up

2027
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 5: being their single off their second album.

2028
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: Ninety eight Degrees. Yes, I wrote a song with Brian McKnight. Actually,

2029
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 1: we wrote a song together that ended up on ninety degrees.

2030
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Mark Anthony Jordan Knight. Now, Jordan was a big, very

2031
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 1: important part of my musical development.

2032
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 5: I'll tell you why. When I signed to Interscope with

2033
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 5: John McClean and Brian McKnight and Jimmy Ivy in that

2034
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 5: team at sixteen, they had just signed John had just

2035
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 5: signed Jordan Knight as a solo artist coming off of

2036
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 5: the New Kids on the Block. So John was very

2037
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 5: New Kids on the Block, right, So Jordan I was

2038
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,560
Speaker 5: the lead singer New Kids. So Jim John's like, I

2039
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 5: think you should get in the studio with Robin. So

2040
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 5: Jordan and I meet in the studio and I ended

2041
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 5: up writing and producing like seven of the ten songs

2042
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 5: on his debut album, Wow.

2043
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: And my first hit top ten record was a baby

2044
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: you Know I Can Give It to You, which was

2045
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: produced with Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis. Wow and so amazing.

2046
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: One the amazing thing.

2047
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 5: About Jordan what he did for me because they thought

2048
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 5: I was a great songwriter, but I wasn't a producer.

2049
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 5: I wasn't a real producer yet, so Jordan took me

2050
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 5: with him. That's how I met Walter afanassy if I

2051
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 5: got to work with Raphael.

2052
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: Sadik right after he worked with D'Angelo.

2053
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 5: I got to work with Teddy Riley. We got to

2054
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 5: go see I mean we literally went. I got to go, Oh, Jimmy, Jamey,

2055
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:47,640
Speaker 5: Terry Lewis. I got to go from the best producers

2056
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 5: camps in the world at the time and learn from

2057
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 5: all of them.

2058
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 1: When I was eighteen years old. How did they treat you?

2059
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Were they? Because I could sing and write? They you know,

2060
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: I always got that kind of a oh they you

2061
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 1: would know they were just like this kid's got talent.

2062
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: You know, he wouldn't be here if he didn't, you know.

2063
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: So I was very lucky.

2064
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,320
Speaker 5: But as far as they were concerned, as long as

2065
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 5: you come up, you come up with stuff.

2066
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 1: So when you come up with a great chorus and

2067
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: Jimmy sitting there doing the baseline live, Jimmy Jam one

2068
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: of the most incredible musicians, I mean, Jimmy Jam, and

2069
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 1: I learned so much from Jimmy. Those sessions with Jimmy

2070
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: were just life changing for me as a producer, Brian

2071
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: as a vocalist, being in the studio session with Brian

2072
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: learning how to do harmonies and record them, and then

2073
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 1: being in the studio Jimmy Jam. And this is all

2074
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: by eighteen years old, so I was blessed. We talk

2075
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: about going to college, you know what I mean. You

2076
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: also wrote for Miam Pink too, I did.

2077
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 5: I got to work with Maya on her debut album

2078
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 5: or I think it was maybe a second album. We

2079
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 5: did three songs together Pink. That was again from the

2080
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 5: Tricky Stewart sessions. It was a song that we just

2081
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 5: wrote and then Pink ended up cutting it because that

2082
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 5: was the La Face. That was when Ellie Reid and

2083
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 5: Babyface were still together at La Face and they were

2084
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,440
Speaker 5: feeding le Face songs.

2085
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 1: In La was putting them on his different artists, So

2086
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 1: I can't. And then so as i'm you know, going

2087
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 1: through your discography, there's a there's a straight up song.

2088
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was like hitting, but it's a straight

2089
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: up song called Cocaine. Yes. Straight. It's a good one too.

2090
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 1: It's good. It's a great Ocaeka. People gonna cut it.

2091
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 1: Look came So I'll say this just for fun because

2092
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 1: the lyrics this is this is a true story. You're

2093
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: like a true story, Beverly. He so tell for me

2094
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 1: him it's my birthday. I wanna stay young, I wanna

2095
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 1: have fun. I don't want to be only one no way.

2096
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 1: Movie stars, models and bloods and coldcage Ellen is all same,

2097
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 1: the angels, not the other way. Because they couldn't understand

2098
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: Mo pame cocaine diango was about to go to I've

2099
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: been doing that. I've been doing that at the shows. Yeah,

2100
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 1: you would be racially profiled right now.

2101
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 2: Because we are not richly profilaus to guys.

2102
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 1: He used to be like other than this Sugarhill gang.

2103
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 1: There was no one that ever said said that.

2104
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 5: Actually, I think I remember when we were going to release,

2105
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 5: the label said that there was some challenges. They wanted

2106
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 5: me to change the title, and.

2107
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: Then they realized. Then they realized that Eric.

2108
01:42:55,800 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 5: Clapton had released a very famous song just to notice that.

2109
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 1: So then then they let it go. They let it

2110
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: go White. That was sugar white. You know, he's not

2111
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 1: like he says, coke. I think it's called flash and furious. Yeah,

2112
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 1: it's called cocaine. You can't pat in the word cocaine,

2113
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: so you could just call it right, you can't, right, Well,

2114
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 1: I don't think so not own throw the label. So

2115
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: you make this record and the label comes to you

2116
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 1: and says, probably I.

2117
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 5: Don't remember, I mean label, you know, a manager called

2118
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 5: somebody says that there we're having an issue with the

2119
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 5: song tel cocaine.

2120
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Obviously I was coming. Your father was on. Yeah, my

2121
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 1: dad's a growing Pain's dad. And I'm still trying to

2122
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 1: pitch market me as a as an R and D

2123
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,879
Speaker 1: exactly the soul singer, slash pop.

2124
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 5: Star or whatever, trying to market me as when and

2125
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 5: so I just h I said, well, I don't really

2126
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 5: want to change the song title. I mean, it's kind

2127
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 5: of what the song's about.

2128
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:01,640
Speaker 1: It's about cocaine, and you know, I had never tried it,

2129
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 1: and it was really about the culture that I was seeing.

2130
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 5: As my presence in young Hollywood, and how much I

2131
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 5: saw of it and how much it scared me. And

2132
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 5: so it's all about the fears of I don't want

2133
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:15,640
Speaker 5: to be the only one who's not doing it, and

2134
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 5: I don't want to be you know, but you're you're

2135
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 5: It's really about the peer pressure of being around movie

2136
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 5: stars and models and all these things and everybody's doing it,

2137
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 5: and you know, you don't want to be the only one.

2138
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 1: You don't want to be the you don't be.

2139
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 3: The proved one of my first uh times in California.

2140
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm sitting up there and I didn't know how much

2141
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 3: of a commodity having cigarettes was for this community.

2142
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 1: And the God comes I ain't a community. God comes

2143
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: up to me, said go for Newport you and then

2144
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:54,719
Speaker 1: you sold it to Diego.

2145
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,759
Speaker 3: But by the way, by the way, guys, I'm green,

2146
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 3: and I'm like just coming to Ali.

2147
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2148
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 3: So I'm looking like what he's like, yo right now,

2149
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, holy ship. And then I didn't realize.

2150
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 3: And then I realized I was the only one in

2151
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:12,520
Speaker 3: the party.

2152
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 1: That wasn't a little neck okay, But I felt like

2153
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 1: that that's that's that was ill for you to like

2154
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: say that. You know what I mean, I feel like

2155
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:23,960
Speaker 1: be up up front. I think I think that was

2156
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:27,439
Speaker 1: like genius. I think, yeah, very much. Well, I mean

2157
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 1: the things, like I said, I always just try to

2158
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 1: say what I'm going through. And that's why my songs

2159
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: are very.

2160
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 5: Chronological, you know, like what I wrote and my album titles,

2161
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 5: it's all what I.

2162
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 1: Was going through literally at the time. You know, Love

2163
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:43,599
Speaker 1: after war, sex therapy, Oh, I got that. I got

2164
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 1: all my notes, Love Knows the evolution. There were all literal.

2165
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 3: Periods of my life, you know. So all right, now

2166
01:45:52,479 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 3: let's get the blurred line. Okay, I can remember I

2167
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 3: can remember me hearing about this lawsuit. Yes, the record

2168
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 3: is phenomenal.

2169
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 1: You know.

2170
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 3: I started well, I don't want to say I started

2171
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 3: with Forrell, but my second album, my big is oh yeah,

2172
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 3: what what what? What super Doug was with Forarrell? I

2173
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 3: seen how he works and I seen so when I

2174
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 3: listened to it, because we listened to it today. We

2175
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 3: listened to Marvin Gaye's record, then we listen to your record,

2176
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 3: Then we listened to Blurred Lines, then we listened to

2177
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 3: getting back to back back to back. I can hear

2178
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 3: with Pharrell didn't sample he you know what I mean?

2179
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 3: But the average the average person. How we were speaking

2180
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 3: about earlier, how sometimes being smart is actually being dumb,

2181
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 3: like because you know when too much, you know too much.

2182
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 3: So when I kept doing it today, I kept listening

2183
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 3: back and forth to each each each record, I can

2184
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 3: see it. Did you think that you guys.

2185
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 1: Was doing was doing wrong by showing love? No? I

2186
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: mean you know we uh.

2187
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,560
Speaker 5: I mean there's been so much said about it that

2188
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 5: there's not I don't know if there's anything new I

2189
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 5: can really say.

2190
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 1: You just knew you could say. So. The fact is

2191
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: that my respect level of Pharrell's abilities and the fact

2192
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 1: that I was lucky to be in the room and

2193
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,560
Speaker 1: he chose to write a song. The thing that the

2194
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: genius about him is he will look he literally wouldn't

2195
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 1: have written that song for anybody else. Wow, Or I

2196
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 1: mean I helped write it, of course, but you know

2197
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:44,560
Speaker 1: the mastermind that he is. If any other artist is

2198
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: in that room, he won't write. He's not going to

2199
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 1: write that song.

2200
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 5: He looks at me, my energy, the way we are,

2201
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 5: the thing he thinks I'll sound good doing blah blah, blah.

2202
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 1: It's all his mind works.

2203
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 5: On many different masterful levels at the same time, and

2204
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:00,600
Speaker 5: he knows exactly what he's trying to conceptualized for this

2205
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:03,919
Speaker 5: particular artist, different from Ed shar and different from Timberlake,

2206
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 5: different from North. He knows this person, I'm going to

2207
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 5: do something completely different than I've.

2208
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 1: Done for anyone else. That's what we got. It's it was,

2209
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,280
Speaker 1: it's still it's still you put it on live.

2210
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 5: When we do the live shows, people go nuts as

2211
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 5: soon as and so all we really wanted to do

2212
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 5: when we got into music was do what we love

2213
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 5: and make people feel like that. So I no matter

2214
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 5: what has happened since or in hindsight, this feeling it

2215
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 5: still gives people right in front of my face is

2216
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 5: worth everything.

2217
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 3: It's It's like I say this story. Were on drink

2218
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 3: Champs a couple of times when I met James Brown.

2219
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 3: First thing James Brown said, because they came They came

2220
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 3: up to him and they must have told him, like

2221
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 3: his nephew or someone.

2222
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 1: He didn't know what the funk I was. So he's like,

2223
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: that's Noriega, he's a rapper, and James mind looked up.

2224
01:48:56,600 --> 01:49:06,719
Speaker 1: He said, keep sampling my ship, get a five a selfie.

2225
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 1: But but what it is is.

2226
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 3: Those pioneers. They understand that we want our music to

2227
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:17,840
Speaker 3: live on forever. And it's something that I had to

2228
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 3: deal with because I hate when people sample my music.

2229
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 1: I can't stand it. I'm sorry, I know that's being petty. Yeah,

2230
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 1: you are being petty on that that I don't like

2231
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 1: it what you picked them up for saying keep sampling ship? Yeah,

2232
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 1: but I don't like it.

2233
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 5: But I'm saying we've had George Clinton, so this doesn't

2234
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 5: become an issue afterwards. Let's clarify that none of us

2235
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 5: would ever speak for Marvin Gate or his intentions. We

2236
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 5: are we are pontificating because we're reflecting our own feelings.

2237
01:49:51,720 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: Say partificated, Yeah, what does that mean? Just yeah? Projected

2238
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 1: you and I how we feel about how we feel.

2239
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 5: Yes, and we are insinuating that Marvin might have felt

2240
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 5: the same way.

2241
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 1: We do not know. Let's make sure like this, but

2242
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 1: without any confusion, we're not telling any other artists how

2243
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 1: to feel about somebody being inspired by our sampling their music,

2244
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 1: et cetera. To me in my own world, if I

2245
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: if somebody did a similar and it was inspired similarly

2246
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 1: by my sound or music or vocals, I wouldn't have

2247
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 1: the same response person, So I can only speak for myself.

2248
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we didn't have to

2249
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:39,759
Speaker 1: and get it thank you speaking yes, yes.

2250
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 3: Please, I mean because you know and and also I

2251
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 3: want to, you know, say like there's certain records that

2252
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 3: they do as I do, like.

2253
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 1: Like like like like girls girls do my record over.

2254
01:50:53,960 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 1: That is God the very Maybe I took that part out, yeah,

2255
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 1: maybe take the learner. And maybe speaking for was hard.

2256
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 1: We don't want to say baby was hard. There's a

2257
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 1: couple of others.

2258
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to well, I mean there is the

2259
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 2: situation where the estates get to listen to it and.

2260
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:20,880
Speaker 1: Approve it is you're going through those channel.

2261
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 3: It's different because the person themselves none of that music

2262
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 3: that they sample in, so the feeling for you is different. Yes,

2263
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 3: and so if you actually do my record over trying

2264
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 3: to pick me up, you're actually not you're actually doing well.

2265
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,080
Speaker 3: But let's get let's I love that. But guess what,

2266
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 3: Guess what, Guess what? Guess guess what something that I

2267
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 3: had to notice. Have you ever seen, for well, post

2268
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:48,839
Speaker 3: one of those remakes?

2269
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,560
Speaker 1: Not once? Because you know what I think me and

2270
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 1: him don't get we don't get what we deserve.

2271
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 3: So when a person samples our record and don't have

2272
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:00,120
Speaker 3: to go through us, I can't understand it.

2273
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 1: Yes, like he said, like he said, so so yeah so.

2274
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 3: Sometimes so sometimes I do like when they sampled it,

2275
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 3: and sometimes I don't.

2276
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 1: Have you ever been sampled? And I have been sampled.

2277
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:19,719
Speaker 1: My favorite version, or one of my favorites, was Drake

2278
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 1: and one of his early mixtapes, did Teach You a Lesson?

2279
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 1: One of my songs? And he sampled Teach You a Lesson?

2280
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 5: And then that's the same record that a Boogie with

2281
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 5: the Hoodie sample is teaching a lesson?

2282
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 1: Did you feel like Nori?

2283
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 5: I'll tell you a funny story when when I just

2284
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 5: because I love I love a boogie with the Hoodie, Uh,

2285
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:42,080
Speaker 5: that's my man. But when he sent me the first

2286
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 5: version and here I wrote, this song is such a sweet,

2287
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 5: intimate and like the first few lines were so hard,

2288
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 5: That's what.

2289
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

2290
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,280
Speaker 5: So so I did.

2291
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 1: I kind of hit him. I kind of hit him up,

2292
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 1: and I was like hit my manager too, And I

2293
01:52:57,479 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: was like, you know, maybe he could just lighten up

2294
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:01,880
Speaker 1: the beginning a little bit so we could sink into it,

2295
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, and he was cool, he didn't mind just

2296
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of adjusting it out of respect for the okay,

2297
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was only just the It

2298
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 1: was like the entrance to the record and here because

2299
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm hearing my music, you know, and I'm like, and

2300
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm expecting this feeling. And he came in with something

2301
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe we could just change the

2302
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 1: first couple of lives. But I listened. They a couple

2303
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 1: of times.

2304
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 3: People sample sometimes sometimes it's the record about my.

2305
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:31,360
Speaker 1: Father and him passing away. Yeah, and that's so when

2306
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 1: when when? When?

2307
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:34,719
Speaker 3: When when people come on there and then they joyful

2308
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 3: about this record? Like that wasn't my intention. Like I

2309
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:43,719
Speaker 3: cried this whole session, laying this down. I had literally

2310
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 3: tears in there. And you taking this record and you

2311
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 3: making it over a happy way.

2312
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:51,839
Speaker 1: I did so so so I don't like that sometimes,

2313
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 1: But hold on, I got come on and blurred lines.

2314
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:58,560
Speaker 3: We got through that, right, Yeah, lost without you. You

2315
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 3: already answered that question without me, which one is without me?

2316
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm talking about about me. Actually, I was like,

2317
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 3: I remember that sound.

2318
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 1: So many these questions I was asking you, I have

2319
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 1: on my notes you already answered earlier. Yeah, we got

2320
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 1: a good loss without your story.

2321
01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 5: Yes, and you have you have a passion for Latin

2322
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:20,360
Speaker 5: music here, Oh yeah, I mean I actually listened to uh,

2323
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 5: you know, Salsa and Boston Nova when I when I

2324
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,719
Speaker 5: exercise or when I'm relaxing. Like though, maybe it's because

2325
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 5: I don't understand all the words too, and the music

2326
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 5: is so good that it takes me away and I

2327
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 5: don't focus on all the words as much.

2328
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 1: Well, what salsa art is you like? Oh? I like

2329
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 1: the old school.

2330
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 5: Stuff, you know, Cecily Cruz, And I mean I just

2331
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:43,240
Speaker 5: have like the Apple playlists and I just it's it's

2332
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 5: just a great backdrop.

2333
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 1: For me to But I have Louis Bonfa is one

2334
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 1: of my favorites.

2335
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 5: He's one of the originators of Brazilian guitar, Like he

2336
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 5: came before Joe Beam. So once I got into Joe Beam,

2337
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 5: then I got into Louis Bonfa and he has a

2338
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 5: playlist that's just and I love the But if it's

2339
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 5: a social clubs.

2340
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And you said Cuba, you know, yeah, you

2341
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:06,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

2342
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 3: So this is something I've been runner in this whole time.

2343
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:15,840
Speaker 3: You came in with your shirt off, but your chest

2344
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 3: is red, but your face is not.

2345
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm irish. What the hell is going on? Is it

2346
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: rare a little red? It's because I've been playing tennis

2347
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:28,200
Speaker 1: and ship you're taking your shirt off playing tennis? Is

2348
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:31,880
Speaker 1: I know? I was in Cabo and that's what I took.

2349
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 5: I took wife you the Cabo last week and we

2350
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 5: got four days and I got burnt.

2351
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, she got burned too, So it was a

2352
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 1: team burnt. Okay, we're making noise for team burns, team

2353
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 1: burn Hey, you know a family, a family that burns

2354
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 1: together and stays together. So what what? What? What I mean?

2355
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you, man, just to see

2356
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 3: you in person and to see like, like, your story

2357
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 3: is amazing man, Like you know the stuff you've been

2358
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 3: through in life, stuff that you navigated through life, even

2359
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 3: when you say like a sad days to be covering.

2360
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 1: This an amazing life to me. Like I'm sitting back saying, whoa,

2361
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: but is there something that you feel like you didn't

2362
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 1: do yet? Oh? You know, I would have liked I

2363
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 1: would have liked my dad to have been around with

2364
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:37,040
Speaker 1: the grandkids more to see the grand kids. Yeah, I

2365
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 1: think when I think of.

2366
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 5: Myself, I've already had so much, and I still feel

2367
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,640
Speaker 5: like at this moment, I have so much. I'm so grateful,

2368
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 5: And I have this great theory that you can't simultaneously

2369
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 5: be grateful and feel anything negative at the same time.

2370
01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 1: It's impossible. You can't do it.

2371
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:58,200
Speaker 5: If you're grateful, you can't feel envy, you can't feel jealousy,

2372
01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:59,360
Speaker 5: you can't feel rage.

2373
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 1: You're grateful.

2374
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 5: The only thing you can be is gluttonous. So I

2375
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:12,240
Speaker 5: try to make sure my I put my gratitude forward.

2376
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 1: Most of my day.

2377
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:15,720
Speaker 5: I get anxious in the mornings. I worry about all

2378
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:19,080
Speaker 5: my kids in their future. I have trouble sleeping. I

2379
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:22,320
Speaker 5: worry about the day, the week, the bills, you know.

2380
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,360
Speaker 1: Paying for private school for the next fifteen years for

2381
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 1: four kids or whatever. All these things make it hard

2382
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,600
Speaker 1: to wake up, you know, or make it hard to sleep.

2383
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:33,280
Speaker 1: But then I just before I even get out of bed,

2384
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I'm so sorry. They're healthy. Here,

2385
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of bed.

2386
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 5: I'm still here, you know, because because the things that

2387
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:44,920
Speaker 5: I that I had, like my dad and Andre herrel

2388
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 5: that my go tos are gone. You know, so my

2389
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:51,320
Speaker 5: not and my manager or my new go tos are

2390
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 5: my kids and my lady and the friends I got,

2391
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 5: and and then it's just being grateful for those people

2392
01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 5: that are still here that I.

2393
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 1: Get them, you know, and I got them. Is there

2394
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 1: anybody you ever tried to work with that didn't want

2395
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 1: to work with you? I'm sure, But you.

2396
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 5: Know, I've always probably I believe that that's why I've

2397
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 5: never asked for help. And maybe it comes from my

2398
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 5: dad not helping me right from the jump, like when

2399
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 5: I needed that grant and he was like, yeah, don't

2400
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 5: need everybody.

2401
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 1: You know.

2402
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 5: He always told me if I was writing a good song,

2403
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:26,520
Speaker 5: he said, now you need to learn how to produce.

2404
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 5: And if I was producing, he said, now you should

2405
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,400
Speaker 5: learn how to play guitar. If I was learning guitar,

2406
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 5: is it now you should learn how to do hard resourceful.

2407
01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 5: He was always trying to make sure that I had

2408
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:35,280
Speaker 5: enough resources because he went through the same experience. He

2409
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:37,920
Speaker 5: had some ups and downs in his career, and when

2410
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,200
Speaker 5: they when he had an L took an L on

2411
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:43,919
Speaker 5: one of his shows or whatever, he almost got canceled.

2412
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 5: You know, from the whole system, people turned their backs

2413
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:47,840
Speaker 5: on him and this and that. So he was like,

2414
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna let that happen again. I'm gonna I'm

2415
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 5: gonna take every job.

2416
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure I have everything lined up so

2417
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 1: they can't kick me out or make me feel like

2418
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:58,120
Speaker 1: I was kicked out. You know. I saw an interview

2419
01:58:59,080 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: that ETV.

2420
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 2: He posted it, but it's an old interview with you

2421
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 2: and him, I think on the set of Yeah, and

2422
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 2: he looked he just seems so proud of you, and

2423
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 2: he was.

2424
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 5: He It's funny how he was always trying to get

2425
01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 5: me to be better and do better. And that's what

2426
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:14,520
Speaker 5: I remember. But then you hear how much he was

2427
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 5: telling all of his friends, all his friends. Tell me, now, oh,

2428
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 5: your dad was always talking about you, always bragging about

2429
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:20,120
Speaker 5: you always, you know.

2430
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 1: And that's how That's how our parents are. You know.

2431
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:25,800
Speaker 5: They challenge us, but they're usually out there bragging about

2432
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:27,120
Speaker 5: us the whole time.

2433
01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:31,120
Speaker 1: Also, so I'm not gonna lie. It seems like because

2434
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:35,560
Speaker 1: they say Jamaica has got the most jobs, whose dame?

2435
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:41,840
Speaker 1: My dad was definitely Jamaican. My dad was definitely is

2436
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: definitely part Jamaican.

2437
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:53,680
Speaker 3: So now let me ask you, you know, me. I've

2438
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 3: been making music since nineteen ninety seven. I've been all over,

2439
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:06,600
Speaker 3: all over, I've been places, and there's always like certain

2440
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 3: fans that come up to me that look nothing like me,

2441
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:13,080
Speaker 3: who are nothing like me, and they'll come up to

2442
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:15,440
Speaker 3: me and they'll be like, what's up, normal, and they'll

2443
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:20,400
Speaker 3: actually know my story? What's what's one of the craziest

2444
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 3: stories of fans ever came up to you and just

2445
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:23,760
Speaker 3: like and just like.

2446
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: Talk to you and just like and you were like,

2447
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:29,760
Speaker 1: you're looking at you you like me? Oh, you mean

2448
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:33,360
Speaker 1: like like somebody that I really like? Old people always

2449
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:39,240
Speaker 1: regular fan, regular what's the crazy interaction with a Reglar fans? Oh? Man,

2450
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:43,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know. Your life is too dope. It's

2451
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:47,080
Speaker 1: just it's no, it's just like no, no, because it's

2452
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:47,720
Speaker 1: it's been fun.

2453
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:51,280
Speaker 5: The different age groups, like you know, first of all,

2454
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:55,360
Speaker 5: ninety percent of my audience is black women, Black women

2455
02:00:55,480 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 5: like you coming to my show.

2456
02:00:56,760 --> 02:00:59,560
Speaker 1: There's a few scattered Pepperdin like Gary Owens.

2457
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like, yeah, I don't, I

2458
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:03,560
Speaker 5: don't get a and so like if I walk through

2459
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:07,240
Speaker 5: the airport, let's say twenty thirty percent white people recognize

2460
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:10,040
Speaker 5: men black people would recognize me, you know what I mean.

2461
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: And that's how for me. And that's even if I

2462
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:14,760
Speaker 1: make I call everybody, walk by somebody, I'm like, well,

2463
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we know each other, you

2464
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:22,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So and the beauty, and that's

2465
02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:24,480
Speaker 1: what I mean is that I'm not I.

2466
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:27,920
Speaker 5: That is my brother, that's these are, this is my culture,

2467
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,560
Speaker 5: this is my fans, this is these are my my godfather,

2468
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:34,200
Speaker 5: my mentor, and my ex wife. But you know what

2469
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 5: I mean, there's nothing in my life that hasn't been

2470
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:39,760
Speaker 5: me being a part or wanting to be embraced and

2471
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 5: appreciate black culture.

2472
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 1: You know. And and so that when I walk it,

2473
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:45,960
Speaker 1: I live it. And that's why I think it's possible

2474
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:47,760
Speaker 1: for all of us to walk and live with that

2475
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:50,120
Speaker 1: kind of harmony. You know. Damn I love that so much.

2476
02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 1: I tell you the truth. You know.

2477
02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:55,920
Speaker 3: That's that's one of my friends over there, that my

2478
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:58,760
Speaker 3: friend diego and I use his white privilege.

2479
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just being honest. Like if we go outside,

2480
02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:06,920
Speaker 1: we jogging, I'm like, they go in the front, they

2481
02:02:06,920 --> 02:02:09,640
Speaker 1: ain't gonna hit you in the car and then go

2482
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:13,800
Speaker 1: around this motherfucker Like yeah, we were outside at night time.

2483
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:18,240
Speaker 3: They're going around him and listen. No, I said this

2484
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 3: story on Dream Chances before, but I remember this. I

2485
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:25,240
Speaker 3: was probably still at the highlight of my rap career.

2486
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:29,320
Speaker 1: Whatever, right, still rapping. We're in Amsterdam at a bar.

2487
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:34,080
Speaker 1: Already sounds good. It actually gives me a little wicked though.

2488
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:38,640
Speaker 1: So I walk out. I'm the platinum artist, I'm the

2489
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:42,400
Speaker 1: guy who got us all here, were here. I walk out.

2490
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:45,720
Speaker 1: They stopped me, say you can't bring that beer outside?

2491
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:49,200
Speaker 3: Sir say all right, cool, no problem, go to Smoer cigarette,

2492
02:02:49,240 --> 02:02:52,200
Speaker 3: smooth s cigatta at a time. They go clearly picked

2493
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:57,520
Speaker 3: up both of the beers and walked right out. And

2494
02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:01,400
Speaker 3: we did that six times the whole night, and every

2495
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:07,120
Speaker 3: single time the man stopped and let him you cannot

2496
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:07,840
Speaker 3: drink out here.

2497
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 1: And I could have easily been like, listen, listen, oh yeah,

2498
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:13,120
Speaker 1: why you.

2499
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 3: Had the moments where we're like, you know what the fuck?

2500
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:18,320
Speaker 3: Like I could have easily been like, you know what?

2501
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:19,960
Speaker 3: The fun and I was just like, you know what,

2502
02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 3: I still win. My beer is still outside.

2503
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 1: You think, yeah, you think you did something.

2504
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:31,320
Speaker 3: I still get my beer outside, and I swear to God,

2505
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 3: so uh yeah, because no, that's that's real. Like me

2506
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:41,360
Speaker 3: thinking about it to this day, it still actually hits me.

2507
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:43,800
Speaker 3: It hits me because you know what I grew up.

2508
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:48,040
Speaker 3: I grew up in Queens, and in Queens, you literally

2509
02:03:48,160 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 3: cannot be racist.

2510
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:54,520
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why. Your neighbor's wife, your other

2511
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:57,040
Speaker 1: neighbors for the pino, your other.

2512
02:03:57,000 --> 02:04:01,000
Speaker 3: Neighbors Haitian melting pot, your other neighbor's Russian.

2513
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:07,000
Speaker 1: This is for Queens. We are the United Nations of everybody.

2514
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:11,960
Speaker 3: If you're Chinese, I literally would come home at night

2515
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,880
Speaker 3: from from where I live, I would smell Chinese food,

2516
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:19,440
Speaker 3: Russian food, Hatien food, Filipino food of course, Puerto Rican food,

2517
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:23,760
Speaker 3: have Puerto Rican, and then soul food. God damnit, Jamaican food.

2518
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:25,960
Speaker 3: I was outside eat jamaking food already.

2519
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:26,920
Speaker 1: It was outside.

2520
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:30,360
Speaker 3: I already eat you making foods. But literally, literally you

2521
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:33,520
Speaker 3: can't be racist. So is that something that you have

2522
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:37,560
Speaker 3: to ever navigate through? Like you know, I'm paying around

2523
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 3: with my white friend like saying that, But it's something

2524
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:46,000
Speaker 3: that literally we do you sometimes at certain points, I

2525
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:46,640
Speaker 3: do use them.

2526
02:04:46,680 --> 02:04:49,920
Speaker 1: I do, I say, you go, I know, I know.

2527
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:53,480
Speaker 3: Is that something you have to have to go through

2528
02:04:53,600 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 3: for your one of your friends for us. Clearly you

2529
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:57,240
Speaker 3: have black friends.

2530
02:04:57,480 --> 02:05:00,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean I just I just Oh I

2531
02:05:00,280 --> 02:05:03,000
Speaker 5: do remember a scenario. Yeah, when I was with I

2532
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:07,040
Speaker 5: was about fourteen, and I was with my singing group Buddies,

2533
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,280
Speaker 5: and they had a girl at a mall out and

2534
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 5: you know, an hour out of town or something, who

2535
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 5: had to hook up on a discount of some clothes

2536
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:15,600
Speaker 5: or something.

2537
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:17,280
Speaker 1: Right, so we were going to go raid the store

2538
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:19,680
Speaker 1: and get the fifty percent discount. Blah blah blah. Right,

2539
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:24,120
Speaker 1: So I'm in my basketball uniform from my prep school.

2540
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:25,880
Speaker 1: It even says Montclair Prep on it.

2541
02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 5: Wow, and we run in. We come out to the

2542
02:05:29,480 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 5: stories with clothes. We get in the car and the

2543
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,000
Speaker 5: two police cars show up. It's you know, maybe they're

2544
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:35,920
Speaker 5: just closing hours, right, cops pulled me. It's me and

2545
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:39,320
Speaker 5: my three in my singing buddies, my singing group, my

2546
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:40,240
Speaker 5: three black friends.

2547
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 1: And they pulled me out of the car.

2548
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:44,480
Speaker 5: And asked me and pulled me aside and asked me

2549
02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 5: if I was safe and if they had been kidnapped

2550
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:48,920
Speaker 5: and if I mean.

2551
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:52,080
Speaker 1: Fun literally.

2552
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:56,920
Speaker 3: This is they brought me here to get free closed

2553
02:05:58,360 --> 02:05:58,680
Speaker 3: my boy.

2554
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:02,600
Speaker 1: They teaching me how to say and I was so offend.

2555
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:04,440
Speaker 1: Then that's when the white offended gets it. That's where

2556
02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:08,560
Speaker 1: the Karen kicks in. How tere you? These are my friends.

2557
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm polling my mother right now. I'm probably my mother

2558
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:15,160
Speaker 1: and Sherman Oaks, and I want you to get on

2559
02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:18,240
Speaker 1: the phone with her. Oh it's when the white boy

2560
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:21,800
Speaker 1: kicks in and we have an attorney, I know two attorneys.

2561
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 1: I'll see you at coast of Mexic corn. Yeah. No,

2562
02:06:29,480 --> 02:06:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that shit is real. And the thing

2563
02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:34,200
Speaker 1: is is that, you know, we just it's out there, man.

2564
02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:34,880
Speaker 1: And that's why we.

2565
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 5: Love the big cities because at least more influence, more information,

2566
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:41,480
Speaker 5: more cultural difference is more and more more.

2567
02:06:41,560 --> 02:06:44,800
Speaker 1: And I have this theory that whatever a family does,

2568
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:49,840
Speaker 1: patriarch or a matriarch, they just don't want this in

2569
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:52,160
Speaker 1: their family. Whatever it is, I just don't want that.

2570
02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have that in this house. I'm

2571
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:56,040
Speaker 1: not gonna have that. It always shows up, of course,

2572
02:06:56,720 --> 02:06:58,320
Speaker 1: well it always shows up.

2573
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:04,080
Speaker 5: Whatever thing, whatever you whatever, your grandfather was afraid never

2574
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:05,240
Speaker 5: wanted to happen in his family.

2575
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:08,520
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's in the kitchen now. It's making right,

2576
02:07:09,320 --> 02:07:12,080
Speaker 1: you count on that. Yeah, it's making it.

2577
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:15,600
Speaker 5: And I think that's the beauty of that's the work

2578
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 5: of God in some ways. You know, we need to

2579
02:07:18,040 --> 02:07:20,520
Speaker 5: keep If your mind is that closed and your family's

2580
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,600
Speaker 5: not moving forward, and you're not opening your heart and

2581
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:24,800
Speaker 5: your mind and your spirit, then something is going to

2582
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:27,760
Speaker 5: force you to open it or close it forever. But

2583
02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 5: something's going to happen in your family or your life.

2584
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:32,840
Speaker 5: It's going to open you to force your heart. So

2585
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:35,400
Speaker 5: let me ask you to force you to open your heart.

2586
02:07:36,360 --> 02:07:39,680
Speaker 3: Let me is probably one like serious, serious question I'm

2587
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:44,080
Speaker 3: gonna ask, right, Like I said, with the story of

2588
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:47,600
Speaker 3: one friend, like literally I had the best idea. I

2589
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:49,080
Speaker 3: was like, I'm not going to let this guy ruin

2590
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:55,040
Speaker 3: my vacation or ruin well I'm not doing right. But

2591
02:07:55,400 --> 02:08:01,000
Speaker 3: at that same time, you know, there's black children that's

2592
02:08:01,040 --> 02:08:04,000
Speaker 3: getting killed every single day by the hands of the police,

2593
02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:09,840
Speaker 3: and you have mixed children. And I remember one of

2594
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:13,440
Speaker 3: the illest stories I ever heard what Steve Rifkins telling me.

2595
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:18,600
Speaker 3: It was at Wally's, you know Waally's in Beverly Hills,

2596
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:23,080
Speaker 3: and Steve Rickman telling me literally because he has his kids,

2597
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,680
Speaker 3: well some one of his kids looked white, and then

2598
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:31,960
Speaker 3: the two others look black, and how his kids would

2599
02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:35,000
Speaker 3: leave his house and the black kids would get pulled

2600
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:37,840
Speaker 3: over that looked but they both, they both, they all

2601
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:41,560
Speaker 3: three was his kids. I'm sorry, I'm paraphrasing how I'm

2602
02:08:41,600 --> 02:08:43,520
Speaker 3: saying the story. But what I'm saying is is that

2603
02:08:43,600 --> 02:08:47,240
Speaker 3: something I'm sorry this is it's a serious question, but

2604
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:51,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's something that I think about all

2605
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:55,160
Speaker 3: the time. Is is that something that you worry about?

2606
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't. My kids are pretty fair, okay.

2607
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:02,480
Speaker 5: And and because I grew up with all of these

2608
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:05,480
Speaker 5: being pulled over experiences. That wasn't the only time my

2609
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:07,560
Speaker 5: friends were pulled over. We were We would be on

2610
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:10,600
Speaker 5: our way to my father had a place out in

2611
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:14,560
Speaker 5: Santa Barbara, and I'd be driving with my friends and

2612
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:17,160
Speaker 5: we just get pulled over and have to get searched out,

2613
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:18,840
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Luckily none of them spoke.

2614
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:21,120
Speaker 5: I just before I ever smoked weed, and they were singers.

2615
02:09:22,440 --> 02:09:24,640
Speaker 5: But we get pulled over just for being black for

2616
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:25,200
Speaker 5: most of us.

2617
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:28,760
Speaker 1: Then I started, man, we got pulled over for being black.

2618
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:37,120
Speaker 1: Somebody slapper, somebody slapped this white boat. Please, it's wrong

2619
02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:38,000
Speaker 1: with this young man.

2620
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:41,680
Speaker 5: But yeah, No, I grew up because I was always

2621
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:44,120
Speaker 5: around the culture and and and and all my and

2622
02:09:44,280 --> 02:09:47,320
Speaker 5: most of my friends were black. That yeah, I experienced

2623
02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:48,720
Speaker 5: it all the time, and I would be the first

2624
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:51,120
Speaker 5: I remember fighting my extended family.

2625
02:09:51,200 --> 02:09:54,320
Speaker 1: My dad was very open minded. My dad wrote jokes

2626
02:09:54,360 --> 02:09:56,919
Speaker 1: with Richard Pryor. You know my dad managed Felippe.

2627
02:09:58,080 --> 02:09:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, he worked one of the early He would sit

2628
02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:01,320
Speaker 5: any We always bragged about it and said, you know,

2629
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:03,600
Speaker 5: I would just uh, I could get him going and say, hey,

2630
02:10:03,680 --> 02:10:05,760
Speaker 5: mud boone, what did you do with that girl last night?

2631
02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:06,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

2632
02:10:06,120 --> 02:10:06,320
Speaker 2: Let me.

2633
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:08,680
Speaker 5: Then Richard would go on his rants and but they

2634
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:13,120
Speaker 5: would have these writing sessions, and so my dad always

2635
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:16,480
Speaker 5: felt felt like he was a white man in the

2636
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:18,680
Speaker 5: midst of you know, black culture in some ways. And

2637
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:22,360
Speaker 5: I respected his open mindedness and my mom saying, uh,

2638
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:24,320
Speaker 5: you know, had her hit with a black man. So

2639
02:10:24,760 --> 02:10:29,080
Speaker 5: I literally come from an open minded Hollywood hippie you

2640
02:10:29,200 --> 02:10:30,440
Speaker 5: know type family.

2641
02:10:31,240 --> 02:10:34,360
Speaker 1: So that gave me the right perspective to to grow

2642
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:36,200
Speaker 1: into that world. Man.

2643
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:44,560
Speaker 3: That dope answer I ever heard, because like, you know,

2644
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:48,360
Speaker 3: I got just like I'm somewhat of a therapist, right.

2645
02:10:53,200 --> 02:10:56,040
Speaker 1: You saying you're somewhat of a therapist or a comedian

2646
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:05,280
Speaker 1: Clearly I didn't make the right choice in friends. Clearly

2647
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:10,760
Speaker 1: they just laughed. They just laugh.

2648
02:11:11,320 --> 02:11:14,040
Speaker 3: No, But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is

2649
02:11:14,080 --> 02:11:17,760
Speaker 3: I assess people I have to like. And what I'm

2650
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:20,280
Speaker 3: trying to say is man like, I like, we went

2651
02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:21,240
Speaker 3: through your lisography.

2652
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:25,200
Speaker 1: I have never seen like so much. Stories just keep

2653
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:29,400
Speaker 1: popping up and it's like, wow, how are you? How

2654
02:11:29,440 --> 02:11:30,840
Speaker 1: are you not? Insane?

2655
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:37,080
Speaker 3: How are you not Britney Spears halfway your your hair

2656
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:39,440
Speaker 3: cut off and insane? One the weekend?

2657
02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:44,320
Speaker 1: You know what I gotta say, Good woman, This good

2658
02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:51,560
Speaker 1: woman will do that for you. He is called I'm

2659
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:55,240
Speaker 1: going home at night myself, sir. Yes, yes, good woman.

2660
02:11:55,480 --> 02:11:57,600
Speaker 5: You know she'll just should make you think the right

2661
02:11:57,680 --> 02:11:59,600
Speaker 5: way and make you clean up what you need to

2662
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:01,440
Speaker 5: clean up up, and make you respect what needs to

2663
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:05,040
Speaker 5: be respected and and uh and if you love that woman.

2664
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:10,040
Speaker 1: Enough, you'll you'll get it right. Okay. So I mean

2665
02:12:12,200 --> 02:12:14,120
Speaker 1: that's my next lyric. Can we can you guys send

2666
02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:17,120
Speaker 1: me that? Yeah, right now, you got I'm gonna turn

2667
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:21,320
Speaker 1: that into falsetto. I'm gonna turn that into something falsetto.

2668
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:25,560
Speaker 1: Listening to the album and I want you, I want you.

2669
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:28,840
Speaker 1: Please don't cut that part out. No, no, no, got you, No, no,

2670
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:30,880
Speaker 1: that part of the one points.

2671
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,640
Speaker 3: But I get home, but I want to ask you

2672
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:36,440
Speaker 3: as as a And I met Porter before I met

2673
02:12:37,120 --> 02:12:37,840
Speaker 3: with shot him.

2674
02:12:38,120 --> 02:12:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh love, shot shot him. Shot Damn.

2675
02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't even know because I still go out there.

2676
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:46,840
Speaker 3: Well I can say it, so whole house amountable. I

2677
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:49,960
Speaker 3: met her, probably one of the sweetest women I ever met.

2678
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:54,560
Speaker 3: Everyone say one man garbage is the next man's trash

2679
02:12:54,760 --> 02:12:57,720
Speaker 3: or whatever. That's not what I'm asking. What I'm asking

2680
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:04,920
Speaker 3: is to me from the outside. Can Yeah, one may

2681
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:09,560
Speaker 3: be sent look like a perfect woman. Did you mess

2682
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:15,000
Speaker 3: that up? Or you know that's that's one of those things. No, no, no,

2683
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 3: because we already went over this. It was there's a growth,

2684
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:20,600
Speaker 3: there's a thing that goes apart. I mean, and what

2685
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:24,720
Speaker 3: you you know, what you see is not always what's

2686
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:26,680
Speaker 3: going on at home, you know what I mean? And

2687
02:13:28,960 --> 02:13:32,480
Speaker 3: it Yeah, and I think that there was so there

2688
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:37,600
Speaker 3: was endless love and partnership and creativity, but also two

2689
02:13:37,720 --> 02:13:41,280
Speaker 3: careers that we're spending six to eight months away from

2690
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:43,400
Speaker 3: each other, baby going back and forth.

2691
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:46,800
Speaker 1: We're not she's working twelve hour days. I'm working twelve

2692
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:48,360
Speaker 1: hour days, we're in different cities.

2693
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:50,840
Speaker 5: We didn't see each other for six months of the

2694
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:53,720
Speaker 5: year for a few years in a row, even more maybe,

2695
02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:56,400
Speaker 5: And that that takes a toll, you know, it just

2696
02:13:56,520 --> 02:13:59,120
Speaker 5: naturally it takes a toll. And you and I think

2697
02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:00,839
Speaker 5: that doesn't matter how much love.

2698
02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:06,839
Speaker 1: And respect you have. Sometimes time apart, you know, breeds

2699
02:14:08,240 --> 02:14:11,080
Speaker 1: different lives, two different lifestyles, two different lives to different

2700
02:14:11,120 --> 02:14:14,520
Speaker 1: thought processes, you know. And I just think we had

2701
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:17,000
Speaker 1: it all and and we grew apart. Is the is

2702
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:19,320
Speaker 1: the nicest way to put it. Man, I'm taking a

2703
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 1: shot for you, not for that forgot. I'm just saying,

2704
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:28,480
Speaker 1: and I don't. And honestly, in hindsight, it was the

2705
02:14:28,520 --> 02:14:30,760
Speaker 1: best it was. It was the right thing. Like, there's

2706
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:32,360
Speaker 1: no regret there, if that's what you're asking.

2707
02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:34,640
Speaker 3: What I'm you know, what's the best thing about it

2708
02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:38,560
Speaker 3: is regardless he was right wrong, in between whatever, you

2709
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:43,960
Speaker 3: didn't have a messy breakup to us outside looking at it, Yeah, yeah,

2710
02:14:43,960 --> 02:14:45,760
Speaker 3: I looked at it like it was amicable.

2711
02:14:46,880 --> 02:15:04,680
Speaker 1: Well, you must have missed a fut stories I was trying. Honestly,

2712
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:08,200
Speaker 1: we're way past all that. Her and I are excellent

2713
02:15:08,240 --> 02:15:08,840
Speaker 1: co parents.

2714
02:15:08,920 --> 02:15:13,160
Speaker 5: She's an amazing mother and I got you know what

2715
02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:17,720
Speaker 5: you there's luck in picking or being able to start

2716
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:20,720
Speaker 5: a family with a woman of that quality. I know

2717
02:15:21,320 --> 02:15:23,560
Speaker 5: that my son has a great influence for the rest

2718
02:15:23,600 --> 02:15:26,600
Speaker 5: of his life. She has a great mother. She's a

2719
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:29,560
Speaker 5: great mother, and so there's only positive things have come

2720
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:30,360
Speaker 5: out from that sense.

2721
02:15:30,760 --> 02:15:34,840
Speaker 1: Damn man, God that he answered everything supposed to be

2722
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:37,840
Speaker 1: a good way. That's where I only feel that way

2723
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:41,560
Speaker 1: that's got matter is how your son comes out of And.

2724
02:15:41,600 --> 02:15:43,800
Speaker 5: One thing that that we can say at the time,

2725
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:45,440
Speaker 5: she didn't want to have any more kids and I

2726
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:47,960
Speaker 5: wanted to have many, And that's a that's an important

2727
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:49,040
Speaker 5: factor in a relationship.

2728
02:15:49,160 --> 02:15:53,000
Speaker 1: You can here, no, I want it was different women.

2729
02:15:53,120 --> 02:15:57,120
Speaker 1: That's Nick Cannon here. I don't know what's going on.

2730
02:15:57,880 --> 02:16:00,440
Speaker 1: This is my friend. I cannot you at just wit

2731
02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:06,920
Speaker 1: you are all here busting in every day a TV show.

2732
02:16:07,480 --> 02:16:09,680
Speaker 5: She sees the What I love about Nick is there's

2733
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:13,480
Speaker 5: he's got this bulletproof you know sense about himself, like

2734
02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:17,680
Speaker 5: he's just he's one of the most hard working, he's

2735
02:16:17,680 --> 02:16:20,720
Speaker 5: a great, one of the most helpful to his community,

2736
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:23,680
Speaker 5: to everyone around him. Like he is just a solid

2737
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:27,040
Speaker 5: upon solid so we all are laughing and enjoying this.

2738
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:29,480
Speaker 5: But you know, him and I have had a serious conversation,

2739
02:16:29,680 --> 02:16:33,040
Speaker 5: like I am devoted, have devoted my life to my

2740
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:36,000
Speaker 5: four kids. You get your spread yourself in and you

2741
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:37,680
Speaker 5: do have a big heart like him.

2742
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:38,640
Speaker 1: And you are a great.

2743
02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:42,680
Speaker 5: He's such a great guy and and you know it's

2744
02:16:42,879 --> 02:16:45,240
Speaker 5: it's hard to give all of that love that he

2745
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:46,600
Speaker 5: has to everybody, you know.

2746
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:49,080
Speaker 1: So we have spoken about that. But if anyone can

2747
02:16:49,160 --> 02:16:51,720
Speaker 1: do it, Nick Cannon can't. Let's take a shot to

2748
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:55,920
Speaker 1: n anybody can. If anybody can do it, you can, Nick.

2749
02:16:55,800 --> 02:16:58,760
Speaker 3: God, Damn God, damn Nick Cannon. Whatever, Nick, wrap it up,

2750
02:16:58,879 --> 02:16:59,400
Speaker 3: super Nick.

2751
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:02,880
Speaker 1: We love you. I get to play. Were doing it?

2752
02:17:04,320 --> 02:17:10,760
Speaker 1: Yoh on my one man? I got, I got, I

2753
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:14,640
Speaker 1: got Okay, I still need a smoke breaks look at

2754
02:17:14,640 --> 02:17:18,480
Speaker 1: the picture. Okay, Yeah we can wrap it up. Okay,

2755
02:17:18,920 --> 02:17:21,560
Speaker 1: we spoke about love at the walk. I'm good. I

2756
02:17:21,640 --> 02:17:23,920
Speaker 1: think as long as it's okay, as long as he

2757
02:17:23,959 --> 02:17:27,440
Speaker 1: takes this, that's a fact. Yeah.

2758
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:32,040
Speaker 5: I had this Yugoslavian billionaire fly me out to this

2759
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:36,000
Speaker 5: southest south of Spain, to Barbia, right to work on

2760
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:37,080
Speaker 5: his daughter's album.

2761
02:17:37,240 --> 02:17:40,760
Speaker 1: She was like fourteen years old, and and that was

2762
02:17:40,800 --> 02:17:44,960
Speaker 1: the first time I ever smoked cash. Half this fantastic.

2763
02:17:46,520 --> 02:17:48,520
Speaker 1: You know you're still listen, you still owe me. You

2764
02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:53,000
Speaker 1: gotta smoke, No, no, you gotta smoke. I know math, Yeah, yeah,

2765
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:55,440
Speaker 1: I know math, math too, and I know what I

2766
02:17:55,520 --> 02:18:01,920
Speaker 1: agree change it. I know math. Math. It's getting there yet,

2767
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:10,840
Speaker 1: bet I'll tell you about it. Oh what's your what's your?

2768
02:18:10,879 --> 02:18:13,640
Speaker 1: What's what? What do you like more? Making the record

2769
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:17,000
Speaker 1: or performing the record? Oh? They both have their joys

2770
02:18:17,240 --> 02:18:31,800
Speaker 1: the the we were doing it. You need to explain

2771
02:18:31,879 --> 02:18:33,360
Speaker 1: why both. Please explain.

2772
02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:38,160
Speaker 5: The creation of the record is a connection to God.

2773
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:43,480
Speaker 5: It's something that is between me and God. The moment

2774
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:47,240
Speaker 5: I'm at the piano, something's happening, the feeling comes.

2775
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:48,760
Speaker 1: Through you, the words start to come through you.

2776
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:54,920
Speaker 5: You know you're connected to something that's larger than you

2777
02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:57,520
Speaker 5: in some way. Because it's going to become larger than you.

2778
02:18:57,680 --> 02:18:59,920
Speaker 5: Somebody else will hear it, someone else will feel it.

2779
02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:01,920
Speaker 5: Ause you know it's that good. I don't feel that

2780
02:19:01,959 --> 02:19:04,520
Speaker 5: way about most songs. I do feel that way every

2781
02:19:04,520 --> 02:19:06,520
Speaker 5: once in a while, I'm writing a song and I

2782
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:09,160
Speaker 5: know what I'm writing, and I know that it means

2783
02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:11,320
Speaker 5: that much to me, and if it means that much

2784
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:13,200
Speaker 5: to me, it's going to mean that much to someone else.

2785
02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:16,640
Speaker 5: And so when it's pure that way, that's your moment

2786
02:19:16,760 --> 02:19:19,640
Speaker 5: with God as you flow the the.

2787
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:24,240
Speaker 1: The feeling of being on stage is the feeling.

2788
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:29,680
Speaker 5: Of community, of state, of family, of friendship, of connection.

2789
02:19:29,879 --> 02:19:32,640
Speaker 5: It's the It's the moment where you are connected to

2790
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:33,680
Speaker 5: the rest of the world.

2791
02:19:34,320 --> 02:19:38,240
Speaker 1: But the creation is go straight up. The performance goes

2792
02:19:38,280 --> 02:19:41,400
Speaker 1: straight out and comes back. You know what I mean.

2793
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:46,080
Speaker 1: Deepest ship ever.

2794
02:19:47,520 --> 02:19:49,800
Speaker 3: By the way you're a party to only gets worth

2795
02:19:49,879 --> 02:19:52,520
Speaker 3: both that you are you are you are drinking and

2796
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:53,279
Speaker 3: getting deeper.

2797
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to trick you and it's not working well.

2798
02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:01,440
Speaker 5: I spend a lot of I'm working on myself, for

2799
02:20:01,560 --> 02:20:03,800
Speaker 5: better or worse, and that's what That's what the evolution

2800
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:06,039
Speaker 5: of Robin Thick and a Lot and my last album

2801
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:08,440
Speaker 5: was called On Earth and in Heaven because it was

2802
02:20:08,480 --> 02:20:10,880
Speaker 5: about the people. It was about losing Andre and my dad,

2803
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:12,240
Speaker 5: the people that are in heaven and the people that

2804
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:16,280
Speaker 5: are still here. So I'm constantly working on my place

2805
02:20:16,360 --> 02:20:18,680
Speaker 5: in this world, my place in my family, my place

2806
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:24,960
Speaker 5: within myself. And that self analyzation sometimes makes you get stuck,

2807
02:20:25,560 --> 02:20:27,600
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. You have to remind yourself

2808
02:20:27,640 --> 02:20:29,880
Speaker 5: to get out of it, because maybe you're doing too

2809
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:33,880
Speaker 5: much inner work that you're not present with the people

2810
02:20:33,959 --> 02:20:35,600
Speaker 5: that are right there in front of you. So as

2811
02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:38,680
Speaker 5: an artist, I can sometimes be walking around and creating

2812
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:41,600
Speaker 5: and working but not being present enough.

2813
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:47,879
Speaker 1: So I try to balance it too, because as I'm

2814
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:51,400
Speaker 1: hearing you talk, it just sounds like you work work, work, work,

2815
02:20:51,480 --> 02:20:56,080
Speaker 1: work work. What does a vacation I feel like even

2816
02:20:56,120 --> 02:20:57,040
Speaker 1: when I'm on vacation.

2817
02:20:57,200 --> 02:20:59,440
Speaker 5: I got my headphones, yeah, and my lyric pad, you

2818
02:20:59,480 --> 02:21:02,280
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Because that that means because it

2819
02:21:02,360 --> 02:21:04,600
Speaker 5: doesn't It just doesn't come enough. It doesn't come as

2820
02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:07,120
Speaker 5: much as it used to. I don't have as much time,

2821
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:10,279
Speaker 5: and I don't I don't have as much space for creativity,

2822
02:21:10,320 --> 02:21:13,560
Speaker 5: thank you. So I try to remind myself to be

2823
02:21:13,720 --> 02:21:16,480
Speaker 5: ready for that lightning bolt, because that when that lightning

2824
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:20,400
Speaker 5: bolt comes it usually I usually write the song in

2825
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:22,560
Speaker 5: five to ten minutes, and the all the other ones

2826
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:25,400
Speaker 5: take hours and hours and hours. But those lightning bolts

2827
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:27,920
Speaker 5: that are pure and they might not even come for

2828
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:30,720
Speaker 5: two years. It might take two years to have a

2829
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:32,280
Speaker 5: lighting bolt, and then you get five in a row,

2830
02:21:32,400 --> 02:21:34,160
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I think you, just

2831
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:39,920
Speaker 5: as an artist, you can also excuse yourself in the

2832
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:43,800
Speaker 5: presence of others by saying you're creating, so it becomes

2833
02:21:43,879 --> 02:21:45,199
Speaker 5: an excuse.

2834
02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:46,640
Speaker 1: It can at times, it can.

2835
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:49,400
Speaker 5: It can be a way to create some separation or

2836
02:21:49,440 --> 02:21:51,440
Speaker 5: space when I need it, because I I really do

2837
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:54,600
Speaker 5: wake up every day trying to give to either give

2838
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:56,840
Speaker 5: to the art, give to the family, give to your

2839
02:21:57,320 --> 02:21:59,480
Speaker 5: give to just give more than you ask for, you

2840
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:02,280
Speaker 5: know what I mean, And then you end up receiving

2841
02:22:02,400 --> 02:22:04,680
Speaker 5: a lot because you're giving more than you're asking for.

2842
02:22:05,560 --> 02:22:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't know you're gonna leave, So let me ask you.

2843
02:22:08,600 --> 02:22:10,720
Speaker 1: They said a great artists have to go through pain.

2844
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:14,480
Speaker 1: Is that something that you feel like you have to

2845
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:16,520
Speaker 1: go through in order for you to make great music?

2846
02:22:16,879 --> 02:22:19,560
Speaker 1: You have to go through? Yeah? I think that. Are

2847
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:22,240
Speaker 1: you a masochist? Because you know what we talked about

2848
02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:22,680
Speaker 1: this earlier.

2849
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:25,680
Speaker 5: I think that I I don't mind swimming in it

2850
02:22:26,680 --> 02:22:29,360
Speaker 5: because I know that I'm I'm swimming in it for

2851
02:22:29,480 --> 02:22:31,680
Speaker 5: a purpose, for an end game. I'm swimming in it

2852
02:22:31,800 --> 02:22:34,800
Speaker 5: to make something from it that will make me feel

2853
02:22:34,879 --> 02:22:37,840
Speaker 5: better and will make others feel better, and because I've

2854
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:40,840
Speaker 5: I've gotten to have that connection with the evolution.

2855
02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:43,480
Speaker 1: That album was so personal.

2856
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:46,080
Speaker 5: Every lyric on that album was me literally trying to

2857
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:49,080
Speaker 5: find myself, get through the fact that I had a

2858
02:22:49,160 --> 02:22:53,360
Speaker 5: failed album, and and everything that I that everyone told

2859
02:22:53,400 --> 02:22:55,480
Speaker 5: me was gonna happen didn't happen. We had this whole

2860
02:22:55,959 --> 02:22:58,760
Speaker 5: peak that was supposed Jimmy Ivy, Andre Herrel Puff Day,

2861
02:22:58,840 --> 02:23:02,200
Speaker 5: Naomi Campmel's at the sorry here comes the album, you.

2862
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:02,680
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

2863
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:07,000
Speaker 5: And then so two years later, I'm doing yoga, I'm

2864
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:10,000
Speaker 5: going through all, I'm doing therapy, I'm trying to figure

2865
02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:13,000
Speaker 5: and all that evolution of Robin Thick album was based

2866
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:15,600
Speaker 5: on who am I if I'm not a star? Who

2867
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:17,840
Speaker 5: am I if I'm not famous? Who can I love

2868
02:23:17,959 --> 02:23:19,960
Speaker 5: myself if I don't make it?

2869
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:24,080
Speaker 1: And that that's why that album ended up resonating with

2870
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:26,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people, because who are you if you're

2871
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:26,920
Speaker 1: not important?

2872
02:23:28,040 --> 02:23:29,959
Speaker 3: I related to that so much. Let me just say

2873
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:33,800
Speaker 3: tell you something. I had an album called Melon Flood

2874
02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:36,480
Speaker 3: the Hustlers, my first album. I feel like Prel had

2875
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:38,880
Speaker 3: like the most part, like he did like seven records.

2876
02:23:39,640 --> 02:23:43,200
Speaker 3: Every other album probably did one or two. Unflint the

2877
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:45,120
Speaker 3: Hustle came out, did three and a half mics in

2878
02:23:45,160 --> 02:23:48,160
Speaker 3: a sauce. If you don't get four mics, you don't

2879
02:23:48,280 --> 02:23:53,040
Speaker 3: go go, don't go platinum. I've went to a stated depression.

2880
02:23:53,080 --> 02:23:55,240
Speaker 3: It's it's like the third time I heard you say,

2881
02:23:55,480 --> 02:23:57,960
Speaker 3: I had an album that didn't work, and it was

2882
02:23:58,000 --> 02:23:59,920
Speaker 3: a great album. I had an album I didn't work,

2883
02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:02,480
Speaker 3: was Mom the Hustle. But guess what it worked later?

2884
02:24:04,520 --> 02:24:06,160
Speaker 3: Do you feel like the people were wrong or do

2885
02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:07,360
Speaker 3: you feel like you were wrong?

2886
02:24:08,400 --> 02:24:08,600
Speaker 2: Well?

2887
02:24:08,680 --> 02:24:11,600
Speaker 1: No, I think that I think that some things are

2888
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:15,080
Speaker 1: too soon, some things are you know, before their time.

2889
02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:17,920
Speaker 1: And and that's with the beauty of art.

2890
02:24:18,040 --> 02:24:20,640
Speaker 5: Is it a great movie and a great one of

2891
02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:22,440
Speaker 5: your songs will end up on a thing and it

2892
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:25,240
Speaker 5: and then it gets another life for him and and

2893
02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:28,080
Speaker 5: and and it's only supposed to be appreciated by those

2894
02:24:28,200 --> 02:24:29,039
Speaker 5: that are that.

2895
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:32,520
Speaker 1: It reaches, you know, and we can't reach everybody all

2896
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:35,160
Speaker 1: the time. I'm sorry, I'm taking another shot. I'm sorry.

2897
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:39,040
Speaker 1: You gotta be wropped up like the going on.

2898
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm just being honest because I heard I heard him

2899
02:24:44,440 --> 02:24:46,680
Speaker 3: saying that, and he said it three times, or maybe

2900
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:48,200
Speaker 3: even more than three times, and you're like, yo, I

2901
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:50,560
Speaker 3: how to artist? And the thing is, we still got

2902
02:24:50,680 --> 02:24:53,800
Speaker 3: to come outside when you have something that to the

2903
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:57,080
Speaker 3: people's perception. Instead it didn't come out, and it didn't

2904
02:24:57,080 --> 02:24:58,920
Speaker 3: come we still got to come outside, and we still

2905
02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:04,840
Speaker 3: got to smile. We still have the smartestie being entertained

2906
02:25:04,879 --> 02:25:06,160
Speaker 3: of fameous going to you went too bad?

2907
02:25:06,200 --> 02:25:11,840
Speaker 1: Are you doing it? I got so.

2908
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:15,959
Speaker 3: I appreciate you being so honest and being so humble

2909
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:19,240
Speaker 3: about it saying that because we still got to be

2910
02:25:19,320 --> 02:25:21,520
Speaker 3: who we are. And these people thought that we had

2911
02:25:21,720 --> 02:25:24,800
Speaker 3: a failure moment, right right, So the fact that you

2912
02:25:24,920 --> 02:25:27,640
Speaker 3: kept saying that all night. One, you're not avoiding it,

2913
02:25:27,879 --> 02:25:29,120
Speaker 3: You're saying it straight up.

2914
02:25:29,360 --> 02:25:30,240
Speaker 1: And then two did this.

2915
02:25:30,600 --> 02:25:35,680
Speaker 3: Because my album that people thought fail eventually went eventually

2916
02:25:35,800 --> 02:25:36,440
Speaker 3: went platinum.

2917
02:25:36,440 --> 02:25:39,480
Speaker 5: I love this, it eventually went platinum. So this moment

2918
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:42,360
Speaker 5: you're setting me up perfectly. We're talking about my first album.

2919
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:45,920
Speaker 5: I believe my first album is my greatest artistic achievement.

2920
02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:47,800
Speaker 1: Wow. Did you believe it then? Though?

2921
02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:49,920
Speaker 5: And I did then and we all did and I

2922
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:52,880
Speaker 5: still do, and and the fans and the friends and

2923
02:25:52,959 --> 02:25:57,280
Speaker 5: the and the peers. The fact that before evolution, before

2924
02:25:57,360 --> 02:26:01,280
Speaker 5: lost without you that ushered jay Z for real, Naomi

2925
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:05,720
Speaker 5: Seal like Puff Daddy. They were all saying, you're this

2926
02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:10,280
Speaker 5: is great, this music is great. So that that was

2927
02:26:10,440 --> 02:26:13,640
Speaker 5: enough for me at the time. Then, because Jimmy spent

2928
02:26:13,720 --> 02:26:15,520
Speaker 5: so much money and it didn't hit, I was all scared.

2929
02:26:15,560 --> 02:26:16,560
Speaker 1: I had to go to the drawing board.

2930
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:18,520
Speaker 5: I wrote all these that I just had this piano

2931
02:26:18,600 --> 02:26:20,840
Speaker 5: and it was just me at the piano, just drilling

2932
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:24,480
Speaker 5: these songs one after the other, and then something magical happened.

2933
02:26:24,520 --> 02:26:24,640
Speaker 1: You know.

2934
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:27,200
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, though, did those same piers that

2935
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:29,560
Speaker 2: told you was a great album did they change when

2936
02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:30,840
Speaker 2: the sales didn't reflect that.

2937
02:26:31,440 --> 02:26:33,640
Speaker 1: No, No, all the because they didn't need to. Like

2938
02:26:33,720 --> 02:26:37,200
Speaker 1: it's always it's always the B level people that are

2939
02:26:37,440 --> 02:26:40,280
Speaker 1: wishy washy. And you know, usually the people who are

2940
02:26:40,440 --> 02:26:42,920
Speaker 1: that great, they have so much confidence in themselves because

2941
02:26:42,959 --> 02:26:47,320
Speaker 1: they should that they can appreciate your greatness too. Jay

2942
02:26:47,360 --> 02:26:51,879
Speaker 1: Z knows he's great to be sounds great too, because

2943
02:26:51,879 --> 02:26:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty great.

2944
02:26:54,120 --> 02:27:01,080
Speaker 5: Yes, But but I I've learned that the more the

2945
02:27:01,160 --> 02:27:05,320
Speaker 5: people accomplished and really truly have genuine confidence in themselves,

2946
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:07,120
Speaker 5: they're okay telling you that you're great.

2947
02:27:07,160 --> 02:27:09,560
Speaker 2: Also, we've told I've told Nori plenty of times with

2948
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:11,720
Speaker 2: men Flint that and a lot of people have told

2949
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:13,959
Speaker 2: you we all thought it was an amazing album.

2950
02:27:14,240 --> 02:27:16,400
Speaker 1: He always was like, this is my worst album only

2951
02:27:16,480 --> 02:27:19,560
Speaker 1: because you created it. And I believe the fan. No, no,

2952
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:22,080
Speaker 1: that's not what happened. You created that album in a

2953
02:27:22,520 --> 02:27:24,080
Speaker 1: in a difficult time for your life.

2954
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:26,920
Speaker 3: Yes, right after my father was around where you should

2955
02:27:26,920 --> 02:27:28,640
Speaker 3: have said that. I was right after my father died.

2956
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:32,440
Speaker 1: Dad gave me all this money and they told me

2957
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:37,480
Speaker 1: you still got to perform, and I'm just carrying. When

2958
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:39,280
Speaker 1: I was in the studio, I wasn't there. I was

2959
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:41,920
Speaker 1: thinking about, like, why the does this happen? You know,

2960
02:27:42,200 --> 02:27:48,720
Speaker 1: I remember, please man, you were asking that we do

2961
02:27:48,760 --> 02:27:52,800
Speaker 1: it part two my father say that.

2962
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:57,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, me hearing you say that, I would identify

2963
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:02,440
Speaker 3: with you so much because one I could tell you

2964
02:28:02,560 --> 02:28:03,520
Speaker 3: still came outside.

2965
02:28:04,280 --> 02:28:06,120
Speaker 1: Well, you know what happened was the beauty of it.

2966
02:28:06,280 --> 02:28:08,480
Speaker 1: And that's what Andrea was teaching me at the time.

2967
02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:11,199
Speaker 1: Was I just wanted to paint.

2968
02:28:12,160 --> 02:28:14,400
Speaker 5: When I made the first album, I just I had

2969
02:28:14,520 --> 02:28:17,120
Speaker 5: so many ideas, so many desires that I wanted to

2970
02:28:17,160 --> 02:28:19,560
Speaker 5: be different from anyone who had ever existed.

2971
02:28:19,879 --> 02:28:22,640
Speaker 1: Period. I wanted to be the only me that ever happened,

2972
02:28:22,920 --> 02:28:24,760
Speaker 1: and that's what that album was about. The second album

2973
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:29,400
Speaker 1: was about I didn't connect Somehow How do I connect?

2974
02:28:30,040 --> 02:28:33,600
Speaker 1: How do I tell a more personal story that will

2975
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:35,040
Speaker 1: connect with people personally?

2976
02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:39,960
Speaker 5: Because the first album was sonically, you know, all in

2977
02:28:40,040 --> 02:28:46,120
Speaker 5: my opinion, sonically impressive production. But the lyrics on the

2978
02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:49,680
Speaker 5: second album is why is the loss without you? The

2979
02:28:49,920 --> 02:28:54,000
Speaker 5: complicated is the Angels to the sky? Cocaine? You know,

2980
02:28:54,400 --> 02:28:58,199
Speaker 5: got to be down lyric after lyric of I'm trying

2981
02:28:58,280 --> 02:29:01,160
Speaker 5: to connect with you. I reached out and I opened

2982
02:29:01,160 --> 02:29:03,160
Speaker 5: my arms and I wanted everybody to hug me back,

2983
02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:04,280
Speaker 5: and that's what that album was.

2984
02:29:04,720 --> 02:29:07,640
Speaker 1: Well, let me just tell you something. This was a pleasure.

2985
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:12,560
Speaker 1: I've really, I really, I've really had my expectations up here.

2986
02:29:13,360 --> 02:29:19,200
Speaker 1: But you just through the roof around the corner. We're

2987
02:29:19,240 --> 02:29:23,680
Speaker 1: on a fire hydrant. A compliment. I'm just being honest

2988
02:29:23,720 --> 02:29:25,840
Speaker 1: and you and you guys, you guys are the best

2989
02:29:25,879 --> 02:29:28,480
Speaker 1: at this. So that's very nice. What you did above

2990
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:29,200
Speaker 1: and beyond.

2991
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:33,280
Speaker 3: Your story is so beautiful and you got to continue

2992
02:29:33,320 --> 02:29:37,119
Speaker 3: telling it because I'm just saying, this ship is great.

2993
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:39,520
Speaker 5: Well, this is the most stories I've ever told in

2994
02:29:39,640 --> 02:29:44,440
Speaker 5: one you know, because I've seen this, I've seen you guys,

2995
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:45,960
Speaker 5: and I see the way you talk, and I see

2996
02:29:45,959 --> 02:29:47,800
Speaker 5: how real it is, and I know your story. I'm

2997
02:29:47,800 --> 02:29:50,880
Speaker 5: a fan of yours and what you're doing now and

2998
02:29:51,320 --> 02:29:54,240
Speaker 5: just being real and being yourself on the daily and

2999
02:29:54,360 --> 02:29:56,720
Speaker 5: letting people into your world and your heart as a

3000
02:29:57,280 --> 02:30:00,960
Speaker 5: big tough man who's you know, hit pop game, and

3001
02:30:01,080 --> 02:30:03,080
Speaker 5: you're sharing your heart in your world. And so I

3002
02:30:03,160 --> 02:30:04,960
Speaker 5: felt safe here and I felt like, you know, this

3003
02:30:05,160 --> 02:30:06,880
Speaker 5: was a place where I could tell these I ain't

3004
02:30:06,879 --> 02:30:07,240
Speaker 5: gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it, thank you, No, I appreciate man. Man.

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Speaker 1: Let me just be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: You really opened up you really, you really didn't hold

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Speaker 3: back on nothing. And that's really dope because you are

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Speaker 3: a rock star, superstar.

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Speaker 1: Take that, honey, your royalty, you take that, honey, rock star.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get points. I'm gonna get points at home, man,

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Speaker 1: and we respect the ship out of you with.

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Speaker 2: Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production in association

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Speaker 2: with Interval Presents. Hosts and executive producers n O.

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Speaker 1: R E and d J. E.

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Speaker 2: F N from Interval Presents Executive producers Alan Coy and

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Speaker 2: Jake Kleinberg. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple pot, Amazon Music, Spotify, Stitcher,

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Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 2: for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by Yours Truly,

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