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Speaker 2: How's it going, everybody, Welcome back, Welcome back. It is Saturday,

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Speaker 2: July fifth, and hopefully all of you still have all

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Speaker 2: of your falangies. I know a lot of people around

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Speaker 2: the country play with fireworks and it is not always advisable. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yankees kickoff game two of their second Subway series of

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Speaker 2: the year with the Mets today, and let's just start

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Speaker 2: here because this episode is all about Aaron Boone. We've

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Speaker 2: got a ton of calls about Aaron Boone. I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna start with this. The Yankees don't fire managers mid

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Speaker 2: season anymore. That's not how they operate. Not since George

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Speaker 2: Steinbrenner's prime, right right before his suspension in the late

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Speaker 2: eighties or early nineties whenever it was. He used to

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Speaker 2: fire guys mid season all the time. But really, since

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Speaker 2: Joe Torre took over, the Yankees don't switch managers a lot.

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Speaker 2: They had Tory for a long time, they had Joe

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Speaker 2: Girardi for about ten years, and now Aaron Boone is

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Speaker 2: in year seven. And look, they're buzzwords that they like

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Speaker 2: to put out there, Stability, continuity, professionalism, all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's why Boone is not going to go anywhere. But

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Speaker 2: here's the problem. This is not a stable team right now.

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Speaker 2: There's not a professional looking team right now, and it

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel like anybody's in control of the locker room

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Speaker 2: of the clubhouse. Boone looks like a guy who's just

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Speaker 2: trying to get through the summer right and try to

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Speaker 2: really managing right now, you know, I mean, you know

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Speaker 2: how long Joe Torrey managed the Yankees before they missed

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, Twelve years and Boone's done it twice already,

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Speaker 2: and now it's slipping again, right in front of us,

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Speaker 2: right in front of us.

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Speaker 3: It's all right there in front of us.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to panic, Fine, let's be calm, let's

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Speaker 2: be rational. Let's use history. Back in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 2: the Marlins were flailing. They made a change mid season.

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Speaker 2: They brought in Jack McKeon, who was in his seventies.

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Speaker 2: Guys smoked cigars in the dugout and told players that

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Speaker 2: just play the damn game, and you know what, They

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Speaker 2: won the World Series. They beat the Yankees. Sometimes it

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Speaker 2: is the manager, sometimes it is and sometimes a team

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Speaker 2: needs someone who's not afraid to you know, trash a

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Speaker 2: locker room, to you know, smash a TV. Sometimes they

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Speaker 2: need a hard ass. Got a lot of rich people

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Speaker 2: on this team. Got a lot of rich guys who

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Speaker 2: are very comfortable. Maybe we need somebody who makes them

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Speaker 2: a little bit uncomfortable. Joe Madden, I mean he's quirky,

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Speaker 2: he's one he holds guys accountable. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: settle the room down. I don't know me personally, I

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Speaker 2: want Joe Girardi back. He got results, He called guys

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Speaker 2: out and they ran him out of town for being

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Speaker 2: too intense. But maybe that's just what this roster needs

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Speaker 2: a little bit right now. They need intensity because, as

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Speaker 2: we mentioned, Boone is smiling the dugout. He's saying we're elite,

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Speaker 2: we're great, and things are clearly not elite or great

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Speaker 2: right now. That is delusional. This team is six and

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Speaker 2: fifteen in their last twenty one games. They don't need comfort.

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Speaker 2: They need a jolt. They need to look in the

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Speaker 2: mirror and realize they are not good. Enough right now.

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Speaker 2: Boone's urgency needs to show up fast, or maybe someone

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Speaker 2: else who is more urgent should be in there. Bobby

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Speaker 2: says Boone's the opposite of Girardi. Everyone gets a trophy mindset.

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Speaker 2: Joseph says Yankees need to stop resting players who are

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Speaker 2: Vellen wants Don Mattingly. You know, Mattingly's never had a

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Speaker 2: lot of success as a manager. And before we get

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Speaker 2: to the voicemails, I just wanted to say this. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know if there's such a thing as good

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Speaker 2: I mean? It was like you think about that eighties

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Speaker 2: sure that Aaron Boone's laissez fair kind of attitude is

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Speaker 2: He's a gentle giant, you know. I think too much gentleness,

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Speaker 2: in there, right, And maybe the manager spot is where

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Speaker 2: somebody with an edge. Maybe that's it, somebody to push everyone.

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Speaker 2: I love how Jazz gave the team of a jolt

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Speaker 2: of energy last year, and that energy is still there, right,

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Speaker 2: But you need a different type of energy too. I

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Speaker 2: mean you need that Michael Jordan Tom Brady like killer

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Speaker 2: They're just almost window dressing. They you know, the pictures

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Speaker 2: You need some an everyday player, And a lot of

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Speaker 2: you know, Jorge Pasada, Like a lot of times it's

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Speaker 2: Who's a young guy, right, this team needs a veteran presence,

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Speaker 2: I don't know who is it. Who it is? Maybe

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Speaker 2: they need to bring in Pasada, right, but have you

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Speaker 2: seen Pasada's Instagram? All he does is hang around on

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want to spend six months away from that. He's

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Speaker 2: earned that. Let's get us some voicemails, all right, start

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Speaker 2: with this Good morning Derek.

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Speaker 4: First of all, let me say I enjoy your podcast.

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Speaker 4: It's therapy after especially the last five games the Yankees

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Speaker 4: have played. This team is situationally flawed, is fundamentally flawed.

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Speaker 4: It was apparent at the beginning of this season. Cashman

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Speaker 4: didn't address it. Now it's only going to get tougher because,

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Speaker 4: as you say, everyone everyone knows what the Yankees need,

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Speaker 4: and they certainly won't help them. I don't know what's

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Speaker 4: going to be the future for this team. This team

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Speaker 4: may play in the playoffs, but they're not going to

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Speaker 4: win anything, not the way it's presently. The roster is

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Speaker 4: presently constituted.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the call. If the playoffs started today, I would

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Speaker 2: not have faith in the Yankees to do very much.

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Speaker 2: But you know they're at their low point in the season.

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Speaker 2: We do know that teams get hot and cold. I

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Speaker 2: believe in hot and cold. I know the Yankees don't.

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Speaker 2: I believe in it. I think they need to do

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Speaker 2: something at the deadline to be a game changer, right

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Speaker 2: But the problem is, you can't wait. The deadline is

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Speaker 2: still almost a month away. If you continue to play

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Speaker 2: you might be screwed. You might not get into the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny how you know guys leave the team

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Speaker 2: and do better. The Labor Tours have a great year

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Speaker 2: with the Tigers. So it is Tommy Kinley.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Derek, you know who I was thinking about would

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Speaker 5: be pretty productive, Tommy Cainley. That'd be pretty nice to

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Speaker 5: have right now. But also I wanted to get your opinion.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure David Robertson is still unsigned to my knowledge.

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Speaker 5: What do you think about if the Yankees pick him

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Speaker 5: up mid season and just see what we've got less

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Speaker 5: than thank I know he's old, but one year deal cheap,

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Speaker 5: you know, just another option.

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Speaker 2: You know. I wanted to get David Robertson in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: I was advocating for the Yankees to pick him up.

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Speaker 2: I talked to Aeric Krafts. He said that Robertson and

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Speaker 2: Cashman don't like each other basically, and so that's not

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Speaker 2: going to happen. I don't remember the exact story, something

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Speaker 2: I think I think David Robertson was in a disagreement

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Speaker 2: was vocal about it, and since then not been on

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Speaker 2: coming back. But Tommy Cainley worth taking a look at

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Speaker 2: mister changeup. Look at those numbers. He's having a great

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Speaker 2: year for the really, really good Detroit Tigers right now.

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Speaker 2: Nice job by Tommy Cayley. It's gig.

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Speaker 3: This is Craig from South Oz. Again. I haven't really

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Speaker 3: gotten any of my messages played, but I know, you

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Speaker 3: get a lot of them love your show. I just

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Speaker 3: had heard that Boone said that he doesn't want any

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Speaker 3: of his players to be phased by the stretch that

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Speaker 3: they're going through. This guy is worthless as a manager.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry of you know, we have other options. I

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Speaker 3: believed in Volpi. You know, how worse can they be

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Speaker 3: if you sent down? If you send him down for

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Speaker 3: a stretch and bring up was it Lombard Junior? What's

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Speaker 3: what's what's not? What's the problem with that?

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Speaker 2: He's not ready? He's not ready. I mean, if he

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Speaker 2: was dominating in the minor leagues, I would say maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna look up his numbers real quick. But he's

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Speaker 2: just not Let's take a look in the miners this year,

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Speaker 2: he's hitting two forty three. Now, he does have a

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Speaker 2: three eighty nine on base percentage and a seven fifty

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Speaker 2: two OPS. But you look about since he's got promoted,

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Speaker 2: he's hitting two oh five and double A in one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five at bats. That's hardly earning a

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Speaker 2: promotion in the major leagues. He's just not ready. It

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Speaker 2: is what it is. Appreciate the call.

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Speaker 6: Here's Daniel Hey, Derek, Daniel the fall for the first time.

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Speaker 6: Just about the Mets game. I don't know what we're

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Speaker 6: gonna do. We need a new voice in that locker room.

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Speaker 6: Boone has not gotten it done. We've given him six

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Speaker 6: years now, six or so of the years. It's getting

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Speaker 6: ridiculous with him. We need a new manager. He needs

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Speaker 6: the new places players in the clubhouse. Boltby, I say,

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Speaker 6: trade him for some guys. He's getting ridiculous. But thanks, Derek.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think let's t you usually said it well.

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Speaker 2: You said it well. Voice in the locker room. That's

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Speaker 7: Here's guys, look role to die. He put Bennett third base.

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Speaker 7: He's played first base, he has soft pants, he knows

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Speaker 2: We got another call here, This is about gold Schmid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah is Derek before today? You know, gold Schmith started

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Speaker 7: Came down hot on him.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Derek is Eddie?

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Speaker 8: Just a couple of questions. One thing's getting really hard

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Speaker 7: Today sounded he didn't sound.

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Speaker 8: He sounded like he was still hurt. And we still

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Speaker 8: I feel Diminga should be in center. But the real

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Speaker 8: reason I'm calling is Anthony Volpe. He's getting really hard

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Speaker 8: not even the.

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Speaker 3: All Star break.

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Speaker 7: So since you know more about who we have in the.

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Speaker 8: Minor league system. I know George Lombard is not ready.

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Speaker 8: He's he's not gonna be ready for another two years.

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Speaker 8: Who do you think that we can bring in that

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Speaker 8: can back to twenty two to twenty five and you

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Speaker 7: Do we trade for someone.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the call? So first, let me go to Volpi.

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Speaker 2: Volpi in his last thirty five games is hitting one

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Speaker 2: eighty six. Volpi is hitting one eighty six in his

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Speaker 2: last thirty five games. I want to say that again,

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Speaker 2: for emphasis thirty five games, one eighty six. That's not

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Speaker 2: much better than Oswald Parrazza. Now I still think Volpi's

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Speaker 2: a major league hitter. At this point. They have figured

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Speaker 2: you know, I keep saying he needs to go back

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Speaker 2: terms of a trade, I don't know if there's anybody

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Speaker 2: learn on the job. I'll tell you exactly what's gonna

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Speaker 2: happen with Volpi. We're gonna suffer through this for five

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Speaker 2: He's gonna hit three twenty eight with thirty five home runs,

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Speaker 2: steal thirty bases, coming second in the MVP behind Aaron Judge,

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Speaker 2: who's hitting his seven hundredth home run that year. And

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Speaker 2: then as a free agent, the Yankees are gonna sign

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Speaker 2: him to a two hundred and fifty million dollar contract

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Speaker 2: and he's gonna go back to hit in two twenty.

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Speaker 2: That's my prediction for the long term. Uh, Anthony Volpi project.

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Speaker 2: There's another call about mid season.

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Speaker 9: So I watched the game today and it's the mid

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Speaker 9: for quite a while on now and like you, like everybody,

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Speaker 9: I'm tard of it.

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Speaker 3: Something's guy that change.

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Speaker 2: That seems to be the consensus. There needs to be

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Speaker 10: Hey, man, nice colin in again really having a hard

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Speaker 10: time understanding what we're doing with prospects. Right, Jason de

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Speaker 10: Minguez is final. He's turning into the player that we

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Speaker 10: last time he was on the field was at least

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Speaker 10: a couple of days ago. Regardless of that fact stuff,

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the call. Yeah, the the Yankees have had issues

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Speaker 2: I mean, this kid is the real deal. Just don't

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