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Speaker 1: Right, here we go, hour two and a Tuesday live

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. It's the Herd. You know, Jmax. You know

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Speaker 1: this because you lived out east for a while. In

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Speaker 1: the people think of the biggest difference between the West

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Speaker 1: to an airport on the west, San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, Arizona, LA.

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Speaker 1: If you go to an airport and all you can

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Speaker 1: see is sun, your plane will take off. But on

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Speaker 1: the East coast, Boston, d C. You know, it could

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Speaker 1: be Dulles, it could be Reagan, it could be it

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Speaker 1: could be JFK. It could be Newark, it could be

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Speaker 1: the rest the airport. I was at Providence. It could

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Speaker 1: be the sunniest day of the year. But there could

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Speaker 1: be a string of lightning storms in Albany and you

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Speaker 1: delays in the summer because of the lightning storms and

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Speaker 1: the humidity. So I got back at day late. But

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Speaker 3: Actually, I'm real curious. What's that Providence airport? Like you

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Speaker 3: need an airport scale on like a zero to ten.

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Speaker 3: Are they a seven?

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Speaker 1: Well it's great, great. Oh they need more food, but

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Speaker 1: it's great food. Goodbye. The whole taken off and landing

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Speaker 1: thing is good though, for sure. So okay, okay, here

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Speaker 1: we go Cooper Flag. He what a Summer League debut.

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Speaker 1: The highs, the lows, the fight. I'm here for all

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Speaker 1: of it. It lasted two games. I'll get to that

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Speaker 1: in a second. The Summer League is a little you know,

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Speaker 1: it's fun. I like watching it. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: can take a lot out of it. But there's two

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Speaker 1: who was called a reach when the Blazers drafted in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the first round. Yeah that, that's not

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Speaker 1: a reach. That kid man, that is Jokic handles IQ.

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Speaker 1: They're not a lot of seven foot one twenty year

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Speaker 1: olds that elevate others. They're just trying to figure out themselves.

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Speaker 1: Jokic Shen Goon from Houston like, I'm sorry. That kid's

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Speaker 1: against a lot of rotational guys in summer league. You're

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Speaker 1: guys that don't make the league. Whatever. That guy is

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Speaker 1: something else, and he showed on draft night he has

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Speaker 4: What are some of your interests and what do you

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Speaker 4: think you'd be doing if you weren't playing basketball.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I sleep all times on the I like play

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Speaker 1: Yeah that that there are some things you know that

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Speaker 1: silly season. So people like me in this industry, you

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Speaker 1: could be a columnist. You're kind of trying to fill space.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things I heard over the last

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Speaker 1: So I do not buy it, although Lane Keffen, who

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Speaker 4: So I have no knowledge that he's coming back. I

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Speaker 4: he's not no disrespect to the media in what you

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Speaker 1: So I don't buy it, first of all, And I

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Speaker 1: don't know what he makes. He's probably making ten million

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Speaker 1: I don't think Kalin de Bor is going to get fired.

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Speaker 1: Bottom line now with nil, schools don't have the money

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Speaker 1: it's a young man's game. And I mean, honestly, there's

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Speaker 1: a reason Jerry Seinfeld's not going to do another sitcom.

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Speaker 1: Why seventeen years, six national titles at Alabama. The only

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Speaker 1: thing you can do is hurt your legacy. And I

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Speaker 1: was never a big believer in legacy. But when it's

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Speaker 1: as good as Nick Sabans, don't screw with it. It's

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Speaker 1: Seinfeld doing another sitcom, don't screw with it. So, and

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Speaker 1: my thing is being a TV analyst is not as rewarding,

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Speaker 1: and there are times I think he gets frustrated. I mean,

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Speaker 1: every time I watch him on Saturdays on television, I

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Speaker 1: could just watch Nick Saban talking college football for an hour.

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Speaker 1: I think he's that good. But and I think maybe

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Speaker 1: he gets frustrated with that. He wants more time to

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Speaker 1: expound upon his incredible knowledge. But when he left college football,

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Speaker 1: But you got to remember this now with the NIL,

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Speaker 1: there's about six schools that I mean that feel like

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Speaker 1: it's different Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia. Even if a

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Speaker 1: you going to buy him out? So you'd have to

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Speaker 1: pay for Nick at fifteen million a year and buy

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Speaker 1: Kaitlin de Borr and Lincoln Riley, you can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 1: The boosters are paying too much money for nil. So

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Speaker 1: it used to me when you weren't paying the players

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Speaker 1: paid big money. And I don't buy. I don't buy

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban. I think there are a handful of legacies

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Speaker 1: that are too great to tamper with. Jerry Seinfeld in sitcoms.

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Speaker 1: Don't mess with it. Nick Saban coaching college football, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't mess with it to me. And it's also he's

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Speaker 1: very good on television, So you know what's the point?

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Speaker 1: All right? J Mac gonna watching the All Star Game

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Speaker 1: tonight on Fox.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, very excited. It should be a good one. You know,

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Speaker 3: Right now in the summer other than watching soccer, which

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Speaker 6: By the way, I'm sure when you run your break

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Speaker 3: just sit back. And I did not love that from Pochattino.

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Speaker 3: But there's a lot of more, a lot more soccer ahead,

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Speaker 1: period and nothing kills a sport faster or an industry

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Speaker 3: We'll start with the Philadelphia Eagles this hour, Colin. They

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Speaker 3: are coming off a rousing Super Bowl, just absolute dismemberment

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Speaker 3: All right, Nick, I didn't know he was dropping wisdom

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Speaker 3: But listen, he's made it to two Super Bowls. By

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Speaker 1: Listen, he has been a bit of a revelation. I

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Speaker 1: Well, I think Eric Spolstra was a better coach today

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Speaker 1: It's I know what I get with Nick saban as

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, let's go to the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: So yesterday I got a little ugly Juwan Jennings came out,

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Speaker 6: I actually hitting up.

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Speaker 3: This is a good point, And listen, maybe it's because

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Speaker 6: Garrett Wilson's making all this.

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Speaker 6: Like he's out. He barely made any money.

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Speaker 6: Well, they were noisy with Cooper Cup this off season

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Speaker 1: I'm going either way depends on what stays healthy.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, let's make that a meal wager.

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 6: I could use a nice steak dinner. Final story con is.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: that's to me, the key to all this isn't any

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Speaker 1: of that. It's just he's an offensive coach and they

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Speaker 1: have to figure out if Caleb Williams can play. And

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Speaker 1: if the way to do that in this league is

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Speaker 1: with an offensive coach, you can figure out pretty quickly

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Speaker 1: if a guy can play.

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Speaker 6: So I know that expectations are a big thing. Obviously.

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Speaker 3: Jim Harbow goes to the Chargers that make the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: What's a reasonable expectation for the Bears. If they finished

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Speaker 3: last place in the division but they're nine to eight,

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Speaker 3: is that a win?

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: I think they have to battle for a playoff spot

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Speaker 1: until the final weekend or two. I think they have

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Speaker 1: to be a viable playoff ish team.

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Speaker 6: That's your or for a rookie head coach.

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Speaker 1: That this roster's way too good, we'll be finishing in

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Speaker 1: fourth place.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, that's the toughest division in football.

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Speaker 1: No, well, they've got more high end players in green Bay.

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Speaker 1: Who's green Bay's second best player, Josh Jacobs one, who's

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Speaker 1: their second bab fine?

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Speaker 3: Green Bay quarterback Jordan Lover But Caleb Jordan green Bay coach?

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Speaker 3: Or Ben Jonson or Laflour Lafleur, Come on, I don't

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Speaker 3: see how they're better than green.

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Speaker 1: Bay and we know that the life. If you stacked

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Speaker 1: up the ten best players Packers Bears, Bears have seven.

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Speaker 3: I might need to see her. You need to show

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Speaker 3: your work on that math assignment, gollet. Are you sure

462
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Speaker 3: the Bears rosters that good?

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm not saying that good. I think it's

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Speaker 1: better than green Bay's top to it, it's got more.

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Speaker 1: To win a Super Bowl, you generally have to have

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Speaker 1: like seven elite players, mostly in their prime. Mostly they

467
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Speaker 1: got to be close to their prime, just into it,

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Speaker 1: maybe just out of it or just left it. But

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Speaker 1: if you go look at most super Bowl champs, like

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Speaker 1: the Eagles last year, had like nine elite players. Seven

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Speaker 1: were absolutely in their prime. They're two corners were great,

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Speaker 1: but they were both rookies are but they had about

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Speaker 1: they had a larger number than usual. Yeah, in Kansas

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Speaker 1: City a couple of years ago, I had a lower

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Speaker 1: number than usual, but they had a couple of good

476
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Speaker 1: corners Chris Jones, Mahomes, Kelsey, Joe Tooney. But bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: you generally have to have seven elite players close to

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Speaker 1: their prime to win a Super Bowl core Green Bays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah again, you know, it's the offseason. I need to

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Speaker 3: check the updated depth charts. I'm pretty sure Green Bay

481
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Speaker 3: had seven first round picks in the starting defense last year,

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Speaker 3: seven or eight something like that.

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Speaker 6: They've got guys just.

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason. Last year the injuries mounted a receiver.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting one. So Packers or Bears, huh, Vikings

486
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Speaker 3: are better than both?

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, we don't know if JJ McCarthy can play.

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Speaker 1: So no, I know Caleb can play. I watched him.

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Speaker 1: He just has now he has a functional coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: I don't know JJ McCarthy play National championship two years

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Speaker 3: so on.

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Speaker 1: The only got Tim Tebow did? Who cares? That doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean anything.

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Speaker 6: What is Caleb want?

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Speaker 1: Well? I watched him play last year twenty touchdowns, twenty

496
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Speaker 1: touchdowns and six turnovers and by the end of the

497
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Speaker 1: year a parking attendant was coaching the team. I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 1: j Mack.

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Speaker 2: With the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for

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Speaker 2: stopping by the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: So A Rod and I agree on this. I would

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Speaker 1: have miss playing tonight. I have no problem with Juan

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Speaker 1: Soto playing. Is that there's an All Star Game tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's an All Star game. It's not deciding anything. It's

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Speaker 1: a celebration, you know. And I thought A Rod using

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Speaker 1: Magic and Bird as kind of metaphorically or as an

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Speaker 1: example for why he would have Juan Soto of the

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Speaker 1: Mets playing in the All Star Game.

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Speaker 8: I love the kid from Milwaukee.

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Speaker 10: Bean there as we started his conversation, he's only had

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Speaker 10: five stars fined. But if this is a game of

512
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Speaker 10: stars and entertainment and you have partners like Fox, Juan

513
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Speaker 10: Soto needs to be in Atlanta because there's no one

514
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Speaker 10: I'd rather have on the set. And you can't tell

515
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Speaker 10: me there's sixty players or sixty stories more compelling than

516
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Speaker 10: Juan and Soda, who's had a phenomena June. He was

517
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Speaker 10: a Player of the Month back in the day. I

518
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Speaker 10: watched Larry burdon Magic. I could care lesson if I

519
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Speaker 10: had a bad first half.

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Speaker 8: Or an average progession.

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Speaker 10: I want to see Burd and Magic in the All

522
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Speaker 10: Star Game every year a year and then you're out.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I also think baseball is like golf. It's very

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Speaker 1: unique is that players do have prolonged slumps because baseball

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Speaker 1: and golf you have a lot of time off in

527
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Speaker 1: between shots and at bats, and it can be a

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Speaker 1: very mental sport. But I can't wait to watch this

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Speaker 1: kid pitch to night. I think it's going to be great. Six'

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Speaker 1: seven throws absolute, gas ninety nine mile an hour average.

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Speaker 1: Pitch AND i know he's only made five, appearances But

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Speaker 1: Paul skins For pittsburgh a few, years didn't he make

533
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Speaker 1: The All Star game with only ten or eleven. Appearances

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Speaker 1: everybody wanted to Watch Paul skins in An All Star,

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Speaker 1: Game so it doesn't bother me at. All all, Right

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Speaker 1: Eric mangini is around the.

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Speaker 2: Corner be sure to catch live editions Of The herd

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Speaker 2: weekdays and noon not a Em Pacific.

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Speaker 6: Sunday On fox The Indy Car.

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Speaker 3: Series it's The streets Of toronto with The Fastest man On.

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Speaker 3: Earth Alex below looks to continue his season for The

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Speaker 3: Ages sunday at Noon eastern only On.

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Speaker 1: Fox SO i fashioned myself as somebody who IF i

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Speaker 1: didn't do this for a, LIVING i would want to

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Speaker 1: be A gm in THE. Nfl, NOW i you know

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Speaker 1: again that self confidence is not always worked in my.

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Speaker 1: Favor BUT i love the architecture of building. Teams my

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Speaker 1: staff makes fun of. Me i'm doing mock drafts all.

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Speaker 1: Day And i've always made the argument that there's only

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Speaker 1: about seven quarterbacks at any given time in The National Football.

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Speaker 1: League is IF i was A, GM i wouldn't take

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Speaker 1: a phone call on about. Seven there's also about six

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Speaker 1: to eight offensive. TACKLES i just don't think the world

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Speaker 1: produces six foot seven guys with good feet at three

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty. Pounds so there's probably six or seven.

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Speaker 1: QUARTERBACKS i wouldn't even pick up the phone on maybe

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Speaker 1: seven or eight offensive. Tackles i'm not picking up the phone.

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Speaker 1: On and there's some pass rushers or defensive Lineman Jalen,

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Speaker 1: Carter Jared, Verse Miles. Garrett there's probably seven to ten defensive. Lineman,

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Speaker 1: again unique individual. TALENTS i would not pick up the phone,

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Speaker 1: on BUT i would pick up the phone if you

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Speaker 1: called me ABOUT. Tj watt And. Pittsburgh and with, That

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Speaker 1: Eric mangini is now JOINING Us live BECAUSE i think

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Speaker 1: he's in his, thirties AND i do think when you

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Speaker 1: do start talking about a third contract for a violent,

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Speaker 1: Position i'm going to take a phone. Call so a year,

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Speaker 1: AGO i, suggested, guys you're spending a lot of money on,

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Speaker 1: Defense i'd take calls ON. Tj. WATT i got a

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Speaker 1: lot of. Pushback my theory is, quarterbacks left tackles and

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Speaker 1: an occasional young defensive Lineman Jalen, Carter Jared, Verse i'm

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Speaker 1: not taking phone, calls but you hit, Thirty i'll take.

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Speaker 1: It what do you make of that? Theory SO i

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Speaker 1: would have TAKEN tja calls about a year. Ago i'm not.

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Speaker 11: Sure IF i would take The tjwat calls or, not

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Speaker 11: especially If I'm pittsburgh And I'm pittsburgh this, season it's

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Speaker 11: not like they're loaded up offensively and that's going to

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Speaker 11: be able to carry the.

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Speaker 8: Day when you look AT.

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Speaker 11: Tj, watt he's had a little over thirty sacks between

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Speaker 11: the last two. Seasons every single game you have to

581
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Speaker 11: account form every single. Game he's the guy that offensively

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Speaker 11: you go into the room and, say, look this player

583
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Speaker 11: can ruin the game for, us and that has a

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Speaker 11: very powerful effect on the rest of your. Defense and

585
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Speaker 11: if you want to move him, around you. Can everybody's

586
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Speaker 11: trying to figure out where he. Is it makes the

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Speaker 11: players around him. Better it seems like he's a good

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00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 11: locker room guy and a good guy. Overall and this

589
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 11: impasse to me is a little bit of a function

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Speaker 11: of his last.

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Speaker 8: Contract.

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Speaker 11: COLIN i think he gave in on the last contract

593
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Speaker 11: and that's probably why he's so dug in at this

594
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Speaker 11: point on the new.

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Speaker 1: Contract did you ever have a player that you would

596
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: not take a phone call on that he was so

597
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: valuable on the field and in the room you wouldn't

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00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: take a call.

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Speaker 11: On, Yeah, Well dureu reeves when you, know once we

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Speaker 11: saw his trajectory and the impact that he could, have he,

601
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Speaker 11: was you, know obviously a guy that we were didn't

602
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Speaker 11: matter what you offered, us we were going to make

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Speaker 11: sure that he was a jet for the long. Term,

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Speaker 11: now he ended up moving on AFTER i was, gone

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Speaker 11: BUT i think he changed a little bit as a

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Speaker 11: player as well and as a locker room.

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Speaker 1: Presence, well it's interesting WITH. Tj watt because he is

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Speaker 1: the soul of the. Franchise what you're saying is the

609
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Speaker 1: offense isn't good enough to give up on. Him AND i,

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Speaker 1: mean by the, way that's the advantage of Having, Mahomes Lamar,

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Speaker 1: Jackson Matt. Stafford you can move off A cooper cup

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Speaker 1: or you know WHAT i. Mean so to, you it

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Speaker 1: sounds like what you're saying basically is who's your? Quarterback

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Speaker 1: THEN i can talk about moving off star.

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Speaker 8: Players, yeah when you've got a fairly.

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Speaker 11: Average offense right now and then they're hoping it's going

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Speaker 11: to be better than last, season but who knows What

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Speaker 11: Aaron rodgers is going to.

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Speaker 8: Produce then you're gonna have to win on.

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Speaker 11: Defense and when you're in a division where you've Got

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Speaker 11: lamar and you've Got Joe burrow and you've got them

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Speaker 11: twice a year and their, problems it's hard to make

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Speaker 11: the argument to the locker room of, hey we're going

624
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Speaker 11: to move on from the guy who's given us thirty

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Speaker 11: sacks over the last two. Years we're going to move

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Speaker 11: on from the guy who's every offense has to deal.

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Speaker 11: With BECAUSE i don't think they're good enough in other

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Speaker 11: areas to really have that discussion at this, point.

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Speaker 1: So Brett veetz said, recently THE gm of The chiefs

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Speaker 1: is THAT i don't worry About travis. Kelcey when the

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Speaker 1: red light goes, on he'll be. Good he may not

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Speaker 1: have it every, week he'll be. GOOD i tend to

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Speaker 1: believe That Travis kelsey has achieved so much in his

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Speaker 1: career and has so much respect in the. Room that is.

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Speaker 1: True and do you believe that that there are certain

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Speaker 1: players that it's, understood, like, listen this guy's. Old Maybe

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Speaker 1: Aaron donald although he didn't dip. Much but have you

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Speaker 1: found in your career that with The, patriots maybe there

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Speaker 1: are guys that you understand they're beat, up but they'll

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Speaker 1: be great the seven to twelve times a year we

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Speaker 1: need him to be.

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Speaker 8: Great, Yeah and his numbers weren't.

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Speaker 11: Terrible when you look at his numbers compared to the

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Speaker 11: rest of the tight end, group he still had a

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Speaker 11: pretty impressive. Season it just Wasn't Travis kelsey. Impressive so there's.

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Speaker 11: That and then when you look at his off, Season,

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Speaker 11: colum that's WHERE i struggled with him going into the last.

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Speaker 11: Year he had the, relationship he had the NEW tv,

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Speaker 11: show he had the game, show he had the. Podcast

650
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 11: he was coming off back to back shortened off season

651
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 11: with The Super bowl. Appearances that's a lot of stuff

652
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 11: going on for a guy that is that late in his.

653
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 11: Career and one of the THINGS i really am excited

654
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 11: about going into this season is he hasn't done any

655
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 11: of that this. Offseason it looks like he's taken some

656
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 11: time to, decompress to. Reload this may be his last.

657
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 11: Season there's an appreciation of. THAT i would imagine you're

658
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 11: going to get a different version Of Travis kelcey even

659
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 11: at the start of the season than we saw throughout

660
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 11: all of last.

661
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: Year SO nfl, scouts executives and coaches were polled about

662
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: quarterbacks AND i, said this is about as accurate a

663
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: list AS i can ever remember seeing in the last

664
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: four or five. Years so this is the people that draft,

665
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: him scout, him coach, him and the. List you, know

666
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: some people were bothered by you, Know Jalen hurts at,

667
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: nine but of the eight guys ahead of, HIM i

668
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: don't think he's necessarily as good in the. POCKET i

669
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: THINK iq, leadership, character, toughness, strength he's through the. Roof

670
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: is there anybody on this list that you take exception?

671
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 8: With, well it's interesting, two three and. Four to, Me

672
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 8: colin could be a toss.

673
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 11: Up and we had this discussion on first things, first

674
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 11: where my point, was if you Took Patrick mahomes out

675
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 11: of the equation and you could have all THE gms

676
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 11: draft any of those three, guys whether It's Alan, Burrow,

677
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 11: jackson a third with One, allen a Third, borrow and

678
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 11: a third With, jackson depending on what your offensive approach.

679
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 11: Was then you, know guys feel differently about each, Guy

680
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 11: but to, me that group of, three it's just what

681
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 11: you like and how you want to run your. Team

682
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 11: With Jalen hurts being where he, IS i understand that

683
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 11: to some degree because when you look at after he got,

684
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 11: paid there was a little bit of trying to get

685
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 11: him more on the. Marquee so it was thirty at

686
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 11: tenths the, game and it wasn't very. Good he had twenty.

687
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 11: Turnovers they had that, long you, know that terrible stretch

688
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 11: on the end the bad playoff. Game and then you

689
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 11: fast forward into this past. Season if you look at

690
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 11: those first four Games, colin they're two and two and

691
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 11: he's throwing the ball thirty times a. Game.

692
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 8: Yep when they.

693
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 11: Real him back in it's a different it's a totally different.

694
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 11: Equation then they start. Winning he's like a twenty to

695
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 11: twenty five attempt a game. Guy, yeah good, defense good running,

696
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 11: Game he'll make good. Decisions but if a little similar To,

697
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 11: deck if you try to make it all about, them

698
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 11: it's not going to be what you.

699
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 8: Want and that's why it's a.

700
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Nine, yeah they had a week five by and they

701
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: had a philosophical, change much Like brady had first year In.

702
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: Tampa Like week, fourteen he And Bruce, Arians he's, like

703
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna run my offense, now, coach we're seven and,

704
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: five we're gonna do it by. Way and it didn't

705
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: lose the rest of the. Way so they had a

706
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: philosophical bye week With Kellen clemens and his passing went

707
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: down to twenty four times a game and they went

708
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: twelve and. One SO i, mean and this is not a,

709
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: criticism there are volume scorers in THE, nba and then

710
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: there are guys that are just better off being efficient.

711
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: Players luke is going to take a lot of. Shots

712
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: there's not a lot Of lucas out, there So i'm.

713
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 4: Kind of with.

714
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: You and by the, Way Baker mayfield at ten does

715
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: not bother me two years. Ago it, did BUT i

716
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: have them about eleven. Twelve BUT i do think that

717
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: something has happened in THE nfl coach And i've seen

718
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: this With Gino, Smith Sam darnold And Baker. Mayfield there

719
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: are so many good young offensive coaches that guys can

720
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: miss on their first. Franchise twenty years, ago if you

721
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: missed on your first, franchise you're in the garbage. Bin

722
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: it was over his. Quarterback that's not the case. ANYMORE

723
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: i Think baker now is a top ten twelve. Quarterback

724
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: what say?

725
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 5: You?

726
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 11: YEAH i absolutely, Agree and we forget we have such

727
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 11: a high expectation of quarterbacks coming out of college that

728
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 11: they're going to be great right.

729
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 8: Now but the reality is human beings all develop.

730
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 11: At different, rates and human beings inserted into different organizations

731
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 11: with different coordinators and different head coaches having those experiences

732
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 11: that can have a dramatic impact on how quickly they

733
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 11: develop as. Well but as you give some of these

734
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 11: guys some time to get it figured out and then

735
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 11: they hit with the right, system well suddenly they look

736
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 11: like the guy that everybody assumed they could. Be so

737
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 11: so it's an impatient, league especially at quarterback and hopefully

738
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 11: people are learning the lessons of maybe you give these

739
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 11: guys a couple of extra shots down the road and

740
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 11: then they hit. Big it's a little bit like the New,

741
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 11: lottery and that's what The jets are hoping for With Justin.

742
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 8: Fields.

743
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah if you Extrapolate Justin field's numbers last year over

744
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: the course of a, season he would be like a.

745
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: Border you. Know he was ACTUALLY fourign two passer rating

746
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: was in the mid. Nineties it's, like you know, WHAT

747
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: i think your point, IS i have enough. Kids everybody

748
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: grows at a different, pace especially. Boys they mature a little,

749
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: later AND i think a lot of maturity By Baker

750
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: mayfield as he, aged he kind of grew up and

751
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: looked in the. Mirror, OKAY i gotta throw this at.

752
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: You years, ago somebody called me and said what do

753
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: you think Of it was a college and they, said

754
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: what do you think About mangini as a, Coach AND i, said,

755
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: WELL i think he would work because he develops, players

756
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: AND i think he's not a. Barker he's a. Developer

757
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: SO i don't THINK i even told you this as

758
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: one of our state. DINNERS i don't know IF i

759
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: ever told you. This so somebody called anything About, MANGINI i,

760
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: SAID i would put him on a. LIST i think

761
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: he could work at. COLLEGE i don't think necessarily all

762
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: pro coaches work in. College they don't want, donors they

763
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: don't want to recruit a lot of nonsense in. College

764
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: BUT i heard a story About Nick saban coming, back

765
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: and my take, WAS i think now THE nfl is

766
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: better for older coaches than college. Coaches or Maybe i'm.

767
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: Wrong THE nil Help spelichick in. College if you Were

768
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: Nick saban's, advisor because he's good enough to coach pro or, college,

769
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: still would you recommend proer? College all things in transfer

770
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: portal crazy owners in THE NFL, nil would you recommend?

771
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 11: Well the fact That Bill belichick is coaching college, football

772
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 11: to me is beyond. Believable he always to talk about

773
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 11: now he'd never ever coached college football because there's too

774
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 11: many bake sales and pep. Rallys but you know that

775
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 11: that landscape has it's just changed, dramatically and it's it's

776
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 11: gravitated towards pro. Football for, me IF i was Advising,

777
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 11: NICK i would advise him to go to pro, football

778
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 11: because that's where he hasn't he hasn't achieved at the

779
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 11: same level as he has in college, football AND i

780
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 11: think he. CAN i think HE i Think nick in

781
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 11: the right organization would would be. Fantastic AND i don't

782
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 11: think a lot of people realize That miami Failed Drew

783
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 11: brees on his, physical you, know Or Drew brees would

784
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 11: have been A Miami dolphin With Nick. Saban that would

785
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 11: have been really interesting to see how good that team

786
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 11: could have. Been BUT i like the idea Of nick

787
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 11: going to pro football and seeing what type of impact

788
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 11: he can have on the game because a lot of

789
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 11: the players that are coming into pro football now with nil,

790
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 11: money that's it's not the same distinction of guys that

791
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 11: there used to.

792
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: Be Eric mangini undisclosed. LOCATION i was not very far

793
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: away from you are right, now AND i got to

794
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: tell you that's good living out there where you're at right.

795
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 8: Now it. Is it's a beautiful, day And i'm might

796
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 8: head home and get a little.

797
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: Sun colin all, Right Eric mangin right, There Fox, sports

798
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: good senior coach As. Olas, YEAH i don't think IF

799
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: i Was Nick. Saban it's just, listen there's no perfect.

800
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: Job if you're in THE nfl because the owners are

801
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: now all billionaires and they've got their. Kids there's about

802
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: seven great owners in THE. Nfl And i'm not, joking

803
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: and there's about seven great jobs in. COLLEGE i, mean

804
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: what's a great job in? College, Georgia Ohio, State, Michigan

805
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: Notre dame With nil's doing, Well Texas Phil, Knight oregon's

806
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: pretty good.

807
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 6: Job you forgot About Texas, Tech.

808
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: Colin, uh, oh, yeah they're buying a bunch of. Plats

809
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: well that's a.

810
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: Jame we did a piece on it last week while you,

811
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: were you, know jet setting around the.

812
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 6: Globe, Uh Texas.

813
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: Tech has a billionaire who's just basically got a.

814
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Blank so but Then I'm i'm behold into one booster, like, no.

815
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: Thanks, WELL i, mean you, Know clemson's not even taking

816
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: wasn't even doing nil money for the longest. Time now

817
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: you got some billionaire who's just, like, yeah let's go

818
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: get the best left.

819
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 6: Tackle let's overpay. HIM i don't. Know Texas tech has

820
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 6: a squad right.

821
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: Now, listen you gotta be careful ABOUT. NIL usc has

822
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: done a lot of. Transfers LSU's and a lot of.

823
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: Transfers how's it worked? Out colorado's done a lot of transfers.

824
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 6: And everybody's managing their. Money, well they're just they're just,

825
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 6: out you know like. That that can be.

826
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: Risky, YEAH i. Am i'm all for players getting, paid

827
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: BUT i think you should bring in maybe six guys a,

828
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: year six or seven a. Year but some of these

829
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: programs are being in twelve to fifteen a. Year chemistry

830
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: matters in.

831
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 6: Spores, yeah just all.

832
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: Of a, SUDDEN i pay a receiver more than any

833
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: of my current, receivers and my current receivers won games

834
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: for me the previous, year And i'm paying a guy From.

835
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Louisville not good for the. Room