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Speaker 2: App is there, all right. I don't ask for Scillo

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Speaker 2: or do this much. He comes on TV and I'll

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Speaker 2: in his way. He's busy, he's a man of the people,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to get in his shit. But

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Speaker 2: I do like talking to him because on my podcast

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Speaker 2: we can talk about stuff. Look at first thing he

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Speaker 2: does is show the gun show. I mean, fuck, I

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Speaker 2: got no shot here. I know it sounds you'll remember this,

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Speaker 2: so I always or you know, overreaction, Monday recency bias.

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Speaker 2: I'm emotional. I watched these games. I get so cy

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Speaker 2: and I could. You and I could sit and talk

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Speaker 2: for an hour about a game, and you and I

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Speaker 2: have had beers and we were just like, it's like

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Speaker 2: we're doing a show, right, because we love our what

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Speaker 2: we do. But I remember years ago, you'll remember this.

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Speaker 2: Randy Moss goes to the Patriots. He's there a couple

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Speaker 2: They don't freaking target him. And I went on the

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Speaker 2: Time out. You don't have Randy Moss and not target it.

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Speaker 2: You could target him eleven times with two completions. It

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Speaker 2: could be the weather, it could He's out. And I

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Speaker 2: remember at this point, I was still like reading emails

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Speaker 2: and people are like this recency. But two days later

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Speaker 2: it was gone, and I'm like, sometimes it's not recency bias.

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Speaker 2: You're seeing shit. And I remember that because it was like,

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Speaker 2: couldn't guard him. There was no you had to roll

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Speaker 2: And I said, there's fifty guys in this league, Michael

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Speaker 2: Clyde Drexler, you could tell Kobe's shifting gears. Michael be like,

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Speaker 1: But you don't have some of the same feelings that

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Speaker 2: So I felt like Brady was a math. He beat

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Speaker 2: Tom was a math expert. He would go to the line.

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Speaker 2: And there's something cognitively beyond me math that his like

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Speaker 2: It's brain function into ability and to release. It's like

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I feel like I'm I'm disagreeing with you

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Speaker 1: gotta be incredible. You want to talk about sports fandom

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Speaker 2: Not so Anyway, we were talking about something, Marsil and

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Speaker 2: I did Vegas for soul out of college. I was

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Speaker 2: Phoenix has overrated too many spots. What did you think

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Speaker 1: Phoenix is a little too spread out, but yes, Scottsdale

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Speaker 1: New York City was still one of the most amazing

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Speaker 2: And I went out one night and I'm like, the

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Speaker 1: It's It was like jarring to just realize what New

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Speaker 1: But Vegas is you know, really it's funny when people say,

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Speaker 1: one of the ten most talented players. I thought he

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Speaker 1: had a lot of playoff awards that were legitimate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he had an elimination game with Oklahoma City. It was

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Speaker 1: terrible when they blew the three to one lead to

431
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Speaker 1: Denver at the end of that. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: just bad. So it was kind of like, hey, is

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Speaker 1: he one of these guys? And I thought once everybody

434
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Speaker 1: else was gone and they took out Utah a few

435
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Speaker 1: years ago, and it was all on him and he

436
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Speaker 1: had no choice. He had no one else to even

437
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Speaker 1: defer to that. I think he's I hope for his

438
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Speaker 1: sake that he's turned the page on that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I was with Ian Harden. I just didn't think

440
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Speaker 1: he's somebody you'd want to get into business with. It

441
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Speaker 1: had been the third team. He had quit on the

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Speaker 1: fourth trade demand, which I don't really blame him for

443
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Speaker 1: the first one, because he wanted to make his money,

444
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Speaker 1: and Oklahoma City wanted to pay Durant, Westbrook and Obaca

445
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Speaker 1: so that one didn't bother me. The end of Houston

446
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Speaker 1: bothered me, the end of Brooklyn bothered me. And the

447
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Speaker 1: Philly one, I mean, I thought he was he was

448
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Speaker 1: very peak and valley again in the playoffs when they

449
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Speaker 1: needed the most and they blow the three two lead

450
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Speaker 1: to Boston, and I I've shocked people with this because

451
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Speaker 1: they know I don't really like him, and I don't

452
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Speaker 1: like the way he's officiated and all that stuff. At

453
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Speaker 1: none of it's really personal. I don't know the guy.

454
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's sounds like people love hanging out with them,

455
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Speaker 1: so he he thought he was getting the big money,

456
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Speaker 1: but he took thirteen million less, and Philly's adamant that

457
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Speaker 1: nothing was ever understood. And I'm always like, I don't

458
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Speaker 1: know a lot of guys that just leave thirteen million

459
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Speaker 1: on the table without thinking the extension is coming to

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Speaker 1: make up for it. He doesn't play well enough against

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Speaker 1: the Celtics that extension now is whatever was talked about,

462
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Speaker 1: depending on who you want to believe. But when he

463
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Speaker 1: had been traded finally, Colin, even though Lawrence Frank is

464
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Speaker 1: telling you, hey, he wants to win, he wants to

465
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Speaker 1: be coach. His first answer was, I want to go

466
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Speaker 1: somewhere I can get paid. It just so happens to

467
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Speaker 1: be a contender from an area that's close to where

468
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Speaker 1: he's from and with an owner that has the deepest

469
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Speaker 1: pockets of anybody. And I think the lesson in all

470
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Speaker 1: of this is that Harden would have been super unappealing

471
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Speaker 1: for a lot of other scenarios where it's still a

472
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Speaker 1: no for those teams. But credit to the Clippers, the culture,

473
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Speaker 1: having the other guys established, he doesn't have to be

474
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Speaker 1: the guy he's probably going to get paid, and now

475
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Speaker 1: that he's the third guy, he can have those playoff

476
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Speaker 1: duds which are all over littered throughout his game log

477
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Speaker 1: in his playoff history, where he could maybe even still

478
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Speaker 1: have one of those, and it won't matter because the

479
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Speaker 1: way the rest of the team is built.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned Boston, we know your connection to that city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was getting into this, I think a couple of

483
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Speaker 2: weeks ago on my show, I said, you can really

484
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Speaker 2: you can really tell very early in a relationship with

485
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Speaker 2: a friend or an athlete, people show their their strengths, weaknesses,

486
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Speaker 2: their fears. Their aspirations really early, and you see it

487
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Speaker 2: with pro athletes. There's very few guys that develop into

488
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Speaker 2: four years later a star. You can see early the aspiration,

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Speaker 2: the toughness, Michael's relentlessness, Kobe's kind of selfishness. You read

490
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Speaker 2: the Kobe stories when he broke into the league. He

491
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Speaker 2: was shit talking guys, he was nineteen. I said this

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Speaker 2: about Jason Tatum. He's shown us who he is, absolutely gifted,

493
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Speaker 2: top eight to nine player in the league. You can

494
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Speaker 2: put him at wherever you want, But there is an

495
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Speaker 2: argument that he's not like aggressively relentlessly alpha. I mean,

496
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Speaker 2: he's a dude. He wants the ball. But I've seen

497
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Speaker 2: so many times where Jalen Brown, who's athletic as hell

498
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Speaker 2: but not as gifted, not as pure, well just take

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Speaker 2: the ball. I saw Marcus Smart do it. And I

500
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Speaker 2: keep saying to myself, I like Jason Tatum, but because

501
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Speaker 2: he trained with Kobe or because generally the best domestic

502
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Speaker 2: player in our country has that that like almost selfishness,

503
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: He's told us who he is. He can be a one,

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Speaker 2: but he doesn't feel like the killer. Is that too broad?

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Speaker 2: Or do you feel like I mean, I feel like,

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Speaker 2: come on, we're in what year six, year seven? I

509
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Speaker 2: kind of know what he is an he's a one,

510
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Speaker 2: but there's a certain thing I don't feel he has

511
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Speaker 2: that grabbed the game by the throat thing that like

512
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Speaker 2: Luca showed me in year one, Kolbe showed me at nineteen.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel that with him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I saw somebody breaking down Caleb Williams the

515
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Speaker 1: other day and said he's not Patrick Mahomes, And I

516
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Speaker 1: was like, okay, Like should we add an extra episode

517
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Speaker 1: of the podcast this week? Like what do you want

518
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Speaker 1: me to do with this information? All right? If you're

519
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Speaker 1: telling me, like I look at that group of players

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Speaker 1: that completely change who you are as a franchise and

521
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Speaker 1: elevate you to the point where they're in their prime

522
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Speaker 1: that you're contending for a championship, you know. I love

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Speaker 1: the draft. We start talking about some of these guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, look, we're lucky to get one of these

525
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Speaker 1: guys every five years, you know, but when it comes

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Speaker 1: draft time, you're talking about he maybe this is the

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Speaker 1: face of the franchise and maybe this guy actually that

528
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Speaker 1: list is like this. You know, we saw top five

529
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Speaker 1: all the time. I think it's Jokic, I think it's Jannis,

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Speaker 1: I think it's Luca, I think it's Embiid And then

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's kind of fighting for five again, whether

532
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: it was Kawhi for a stretch, whether it's Durant, and

533
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Speaker 1: I think Tatum gets put into that group. And Tatum

534
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Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of like your home quarterback, where

535
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Speaker 1: people that don't watch the quarterback you watch every week

536
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Speaker 1: might like him more because you see some more of

537
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Speaker 1: the warts. So your criticisms are fair, but what you're

538
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Speaker 1: asking him to be is like in that top four group,

539
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Speaker 1: and that might not happen. And when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the toughness part of it, I think the Celtics get

541
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Speaker 1: talk about like incredibly unfairly. They get talked about like

542
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Speaker 1: they're the Sixers with their playoff failures. The Sixers can't

543
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Speaker 1: get out of the second round, all right, And and

544
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Speaker 1: the number of teams that would love the failures of

545
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Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics with this group in the playoff, I

546
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Speaker 1: think that's a pretty long list. And even though there

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Speaker 1: are moments where I watch Tatum and you're right, we're visual,

548
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: so his personality seems more subdued. Okay, yes, you know

549
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: everybody wants every guy to be Kobe and fucking pulling

550
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: their jersey and sticking their lower jaw out and honestly

551
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: taking a lot of really bad shots. But it didn't matter.

552
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: Like Kobe was the killer because he's soldest on the

553
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Speaker 1: image of him being a killer, and Tatum doesn't do that.

554
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Speaker 1: But Tatum dropped fifty one in an elimination game against

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Speaker 1: the Sixers instead of game seven record last year, after

556
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: step had said it previously at fifty against Sacramento. He

557
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: had forty six in an elimination game against the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: You know, they won a Game seven at Miami. You know, look,

559
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry they lost the finals. I still can't believe

560
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: they lost the Miami Heat last year at three. Yeah,

561
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of stuff there on the resume

562
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Speaker 1: that tells you the thing you might be asking for.

563
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Speaker 1: You might be right, it might be unobtainable for him,

564
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Speaker 1: but man, he's really close to that. So I guess

565
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Speaker 1: I just this isn't I think, you know me like

566
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Speaker 1: I'm whenever I hear about their failures or their lack

567
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Speaker 1: of toughness, I go, Man, if they weren't any like

568
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Speaker 1: if there was zero toughness, right, be losing some of

569
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Speaker 1: these other series. You know, we lose the bucks a

570
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: few years ago, like.

571
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Speaker 2: The first two years I watched Andrew Wiggins, I went

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Speaker 2: for some no. I mean, I went with three t

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Speaker 2: Wolve games in LA and I'm like, yeah, twenty six,

574
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Speaker 2: don't remember a bucket? Not a bucket, right, And I

575
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: remember telling a radio guy from Minnesota, I know, I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 2: that's not it. That's not a one. That that may

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Speaker 2: be a three. I always feel Tatum's a one. He

578
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Speaker 2: never disappears like Wiggins. He was visible one.

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Speaker 1: Tatum's a one, but he's not on that list that

580
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: you're hoping he gets to. And we agree on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's fair. I think that's a

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Speaker 2: good way to put it. The you know, I was

583
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Speaker 2: I was saying today on the show that it's nothing

584
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: against Kyle or Purdy or Garoppolo or Bosa. Just Tiger

585
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: was the best in the world and he's going to

586
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: win most tournaments and Mahomes is just sick and it's

587
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Speaker 2: nobody's fault. And I said this, I said, great shrinks,

588
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: very good. There's a lot of good streamers. Netflix shrinks

589
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: all of them. There's a lot of good retailers. Amazon

590
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: shrinks all of them. There's a lot of good sports.

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00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: I've never watched more sports. The NFL shrinks everybody. And

592
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: I was saying, the NBA feels niche and the only

593
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Speaker 2: thing I was talking to Nick right about that, and

594
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Speaker 2: he loves the sport and I do too. I now

595
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Speaker 2: started about three weeks ago, I started really pivoting to

596
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Speaker 2: watching a lot of NBA stuff, and I said, the

597
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Speaker 2: only thing I worry about with the NBA is what's

598
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: happening is hockey. Baseball in the NBA are incredibly global now.

599
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Speaker 2: And whereas the NFL's farm system is really easy to follow,

600
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Speaker 2: it's going to get even easier with a big ten

601
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Speaker 2: in the SEC dominating. I watch a block eye for

602
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Speaker 2: three years. I can't wait to watch Marvin Harrison and

603
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: the pros. I can't wait to watch Caleb JJ mccarr.

604
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: I can't I know the story. I'm cooked. Yeah, I'm

605
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: viscerally hooked at this stuff that I said, what happens

606
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: the baseball hockey In the end, I'm not going to

607
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: follow an international farm system. So these great international guys

608
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: the best players will go to crappy teams. I won't

609
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: watch a ton of them for four years because no

610
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: young player dominates the playoffs. And I said that I

611
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: worry about the NBA is always going to be interesting

612
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: and star driven, but it's becoming so global and so

613
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Speaker 2: international it's harder as the NFL is this domestic monster,

614
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Speaker 2: this Amazon, this Netflix. I don't have a problem with Silver.

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Speaker 2: I like the players Esthetically, it's a little three point driven,

616
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: but the playoffs get more situational and mid range, so

617
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm cool with it. What do you make of that

618
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: assertion that it just in America right now? It's like

619
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Speaker 2: England everything is small compared to the EPL. In Canada,

620
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Speaker 2: everything small to hockey. It's just there is no two.

621
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Speaker 2: It's the NFL and then just find your lane.

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Speaker 1: Well the correlation make between college and the pros. For

623
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Speaker 1: those of us that love both Saturday and Sunday, I

624
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Speaker 1: think we like prequels right as an audience, once we

625
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: know about somebody. You know, that's a little different with

626
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: television and movies, but in sports, we love prequels. It's

627
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: why the f one thing blew up, Okay, because now

628
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: it's like we I never thought I'd be interested in this,

629
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: but the television show was so good that now I

630
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: know the backstory of every one of these guys. It's

631
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: actually easy to keep track of and it's very event driven.

632
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: The inventory is limited. You're never gonna get any owners

633
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: in baseball to give up that six month inventory, and

634
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't blame them. All right, You're not gonna give

635
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: up eighty two games from NBA owners because even if

636
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: it's a dud on a Tuesday and it doesn't pull

637
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: a great number, it's still doing better because it's live

638
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: and it still matters, and there's still people like you.

639
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go, oh man, let's just have less games,

640
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Speaker 1: less people coming through the turnstiles, because that way we

641
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Speaker 1: can make it more eventrive. And although I do think

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Speaker 1: that Silver has done a really good job with you know,

643
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Speaker 1: I don't love the playing tournament because I think there's

644
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Speaker 1: certain years there'll be a seed in there that has

645
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Speaker 1: no business having to prove itself all over again with

646
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Speaker 1: one extra game. You know, we're a ten seed's going

647
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: to have an awful record. Now, granted they've got to

648
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Speaker 1: do more work by winning two, but that's an event

649
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Speaker 1: and he's He's been talking about this as it relates

650
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Speaker 1: to the n Season Tournament, where the model of soccer

651
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Speaker 1: of like, yeah, we'll have the eighty two, but let's

652
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Speaker 1: try to find a way to have something a bit

653
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Speaker 1: more event driven as another product that's drawing more eyeballs in.

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Speaker 1: And I thought the n Season Tournament was an absolute

655
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Speaker 1: home run now that he already understands it, understands the

656
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Speaker 1: way the pool system works and the you know, the

657
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Speaker 1: point differential, which I hope stays because that was actually

658
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: really funny. I think he's trying to find a way

659
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: to have more events in the basketball calendar because nothing

660
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: can match the event status of the NFL. I mean

661
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Speaker 1: that being your goal is an impossibility because you know,

662
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Speaker 1: a lot of it just comes down. Look, people love

663
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Speaker 1: the sport, but the inventory is so limited. That's why

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Speaker 1: you're driving these huge number. If the Super Bowl's best

665
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Speaker 1: to seven, one hundred and twenty five million, people aren't

666
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Speaker 1: watching it, yes, s or of Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah no. And I think I like the n

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Speaker 2: Season Tournament a lot. I one of the things I've

669
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Speaker 2: argued about Darryl Morris argued this. He says playoffs should

670
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Speaker 2: be a one game thing, and I'm like, no, I'm

671
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: not doing that. A bad referee call shouldn't decide an

672
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: NBA series. But I have said if I could tweak

673
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: the NBA, I would go to a three teamer first

674
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: round five, the rest of the way. Seven finals create

675
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: just a bit more urgency. So if the inferior team

676
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Speaker 2: picks off a Game one, You're like, shit, I have

677
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: to watch this. I don't have a choice, even if

678
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: I'm a casual. It's like, my friends in New York

679
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: are all watching it. We just upset the Bucks. We're

680
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Speaker 2: watching game two.

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Speaker 1: Period.

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Speaker 2: I think that's about the only thing I'd tweak. You're

683
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Speaker 2: not gonna tweak the regular season much because you know

684
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Speaker 2: a lot of these arenas have contracts with the game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't you know, I just oh,

686
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Speaker 1: the season is too long. Well, you could just watch

687
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Speaker 1: less of it, you know, Like, I just don't understand

688
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: how a baseball person who may have loved baseball before

689
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: but doesn't like it now goes out there's too many games. Hey,

690
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: everybody's get the internet now, it's super easy. You pull

691
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: up with the standings. Hey, my team six out, all right,

692
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Speaker 1: it's August. Let's play some ball, right, Oh it doesn't.

693
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Speaker 1: It's not really. And we're definitely more picky, We're more selective,

694
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: we have more options. I mean, everybody understands this, but

695
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: the single elimination thing for the NBA makes me laugh

696
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: because if I were Daryl Morey running the Rockets trying

697
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: to beat the Warriors, I'd probably be like, can we

698
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Speaker 1: just play play them once? And hope the threes don't

699
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: go down? Right? But you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: whenever I hear we love fixing shit though, like, yeah,

701
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Speaker 1: Twitter has made everybody an expert on how to like, hey,

702
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Speaker 1: here's this thing that's pretty good and everybody likes it.

703
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Speaker 1: Here's my seven ways to fix it a thread and

704
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Speaker 1: you're just like, we don't, we don't need to. We're

705
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Speaker 1: tweaking everything.

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Speaker 2: Also, everybody, because of social media, has to have an

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Speaker 2: opinion on everybody. I remember about a year ago a

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Speaker 2: Bill mahershow called and they hey, you want to come

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Speaker 2: on the show? I said sure, And they ran down

710
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Speaker 2: these topics and you got to have a big opinion

711
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Speaker 2: on everything and they're like, what do you make a

712
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: transgender in sports? And I said, fuck if I know.

713
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Speaker 2: I'm like, is it like if I was a scientist.

714
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Speaker 2: Is it a testosterone level? Like if you test over

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Speaker 2: this level, then you compete against men under women. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: first of all, I never think about it. I don't

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Speaker 2: know the answer. Is it biology? Is it politics? And

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Speaker 1: It's now. They used to do that with me on

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Speaker 2: the pod business is that you're a broadcaster who's excelled

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Speaker 2: at podcasting. A lot of podcasters are just podcasters and

756
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: they've never done radio TV, but they're very good at it.

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00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: They're loose. You you really spend time on your pod

758
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: like you you prepare like you would a radio show,

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00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: and most podcasters kind of wing it. Some are funny,

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00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: some are but I can tell they're winging it. You

761
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: attack it a little differently where it's like it's almost

762
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: like you take your writing skills and your radio skills

763
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: and they converge and they meet it podcasting where there's

764
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 2: clear preparation interview skills. Not everybody does it that way.

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Speaker 2: I tend to again because I'm a broadcaster, not a podcaster.

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Speaker 2: I'm a broadcaster who can do a pod, but I'm

767
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Speaker 2: not you know, I have certain rules. I'm not going

768
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: to go into certain places where some podcasters go. I'm like,

769
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Speaker 2: I'm a broadcaster, I'm paid by Fox, and iHeart like,

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00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: you know, I don't I think you know. I mean,

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00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, good for you, by

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00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: the way. Yeah, So I just there's places I'm not

773
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: going to go. But it is interesting because the podcast

774
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: space in the gambling space. I always think about this.

775
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Europe's way ahead of us on gambling.

776
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: I think we're probably in the fourth inning. Podcasting is

777
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: fascinating because now older people at the gym will come

778
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: up to me and say, it's all I listen to.

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00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: I can't do the commercials or radio. And I'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you're sixty Like you're sixty four years old.

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Speaker 1: Right, and this isn't a reason you're with a tablet

782
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: who doesn't watch TV? You know, right?

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Speaker 2: And it's so And I was thinking about this, like

784
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Speaker 2: everything's fluid in our industry. I don't even know if

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00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: what I'll be on or where I'll be in what platform,

786
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Speaker 2: or if I will who the hell knows what will happen.

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Speaker 2: I'll work somewhere. But if I if I said to

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Speaker 2: you with podcasting, uh, and I want to put your

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Speaker 2: prediction hat on in in five to ten years. I mean,

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00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 2: remember ten years ago, I was told streaming would own

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00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: everything and all the networks have all the good games

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00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: in football, Like they're not giving this shit up. There's

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00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: too much. I mean, it's like the banks were too

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00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: big to fail. Networks are all built around the NFL.

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00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: They're not giving this shit up without a fight. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Fox has an eleven year deal starts this year. They're

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Speaker 2: not going away. You know two b's making money Fox News.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna spend billions a year to get a period.

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Speaker 2: Do you think podcastings in the seventh inning, the third,

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Speaker 2: the fourth you know it better than I do. Where

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Speaker 2: do you think it's going?

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00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if I know it better than you do,

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00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: because I'll admit, like, I didn't think it was going

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00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: to take off like this, because I still thought that

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00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: people would want a live show. You know, I grew

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00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: up as a live sports talk radio fan, not thinking

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Speaker 1: I was ever really going to do it. And hell man,

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Speaker 1: I still listen to sports talk radio. Yeah, no, I

809
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: just like it, you know. Same. There's guys I like,

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Speaker 1: there's guys I think are hacks, and I still listen

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00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: to both. Yep, same, all right, yeah, And I don't

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Speaker 1: know that might just be a habit thing like both

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Speaker 1: in you know, you and I've been around long, like

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Speaker 1: all when we're working like local markets and stuff, and

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Speaker 1: they are trying to find a way to change the

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Speaker 1: habit of the listener in that market and realizing it is.

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Speaker 1: So it's the why baseball is on all these local stations,

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Speaker 1: because the people turn the baseball game off and then

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Speaker 1: they wake up and then they're listening to the morning

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Speaker 1: show on the station that they just turned off, and

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Speaker 1: they've listened to them for a little while and they're like,

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00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: I'll just keep it here. So for podcasting to disrupt

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Speaker 1: the pattern of behavior here for audio listeners crazy, and

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Speaker 1: this short amount of time is incredible, and like people

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Speaker 1: can make fun of everybody having one. And you know

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Speaker 1: a line I use a lot with younger people is that,

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Speaker 1: you know, back when you and I were getting started,

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Speaker 1: the idea that somebody would pick you and go here's

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Speaker 1: your money, now go beyond the air. I'm the first

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Speaker 1: person to say it's okay, I'm going to give you

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Speaker 1: this opportunity. It still feels impossible looking back, and how

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Speaker 1: I started was impossible, And I'm sure you have your

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Speaker 1: moment you're like, I can't believe this is happening to

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Speaker 1: me because it's so incredibly hard. So I'll always tell

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Speaker 1: people like, back then, the line was longer, but it

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Speaker 1: was thinner. Now the line is shorter, but it's really

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Speaker 1: wide right, because I mean think of if I had

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Speaker 1: told you at twenty five, Hey, with the right program

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Speaker 1: and with this new thing called podcasting, you can be

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Speaker 1: on the air tomorrow. Now. Now you get to sift

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Speaker 1: through a finding a way to people pay attention, which

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00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: is his own challenge. So it's not a guaranteed thing

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Speaker 1: of success, but at least you can actually do the act.

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Speaker 1: You can do it, so when people look at how

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Speaker 1: flooded it is, I think it's like a lot of things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's easy to do, but if you want to be

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Speaker 1: really great at it, you get to figure out what

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Speaker 1: your thing is. It separates you from everybody else and

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Speaker 1: you and I had massive, massive advantages because the first

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Speaker 1: thing I always made a priority when I did radio

851
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: was organizing my thoughts, like if I have a point, Okay,

852
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: what's the point? How am I building the point? And

853
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: will I be convincing at the end of the That's

854
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: all we're really doing. But in radio, I'm trying to

855
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: do how many of those a day? Your solo all

856
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: the time? Like the standard for podcasting, Like, I know

857
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: I can sell my monologues pretty good. I got three

858
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: of them a week. You're doing. What are we talking about,

859
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: like sixty segments a week? Yeah, And I remember one

860
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: time we were talking about a ESPN You're like, yeah,

861
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I know, I'm gonna have like three segments

862
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: of show out of the twelve. Like that wasn't good.

863
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: You could turn the page a little bit better on

864
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: it than I could. Like I knew when I was

865
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: having a bad segment, I'd be like, this is so

866
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: incredibly frustrating. So the fact that this habit changing thing

867
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: has already happened, I don't think the market being flooded

868
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: with a bunch of different people, everything just kind of

869
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: weeds itself out. People get sick of it and go hey,

870
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, because you probably met people too that are like,

871
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: oh wait, this is kind of hard, Like this is

872
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: kind of hard to do this all the time. So

873
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes I wonder if the live thing

874
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: is underserved, But I can't imagine that there'd ever be

875
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: such demand that it would somehow pivot to that. You know,

876
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that it would ever pivot back to

877
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: where the radio people are making the money that they

878
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: were making years ago. If anything, it kind of proves

879
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: that everybody was on the air, especially the opinion people,

880
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: the content people, how incredibly underpaid everybody was really you know,

881
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody wants to hear it from us. But

882
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: when I think about the numbers we were arguing over

883
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: all the time, and then think about the numbers that

884
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: exist now if you're at the high end of this thing,

885
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: you're like, so we were all just getting destroyed for

886
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: twenty years.

887
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Now we were.

888
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: Like, can you imagine Dan and Keith, Like what Dan

889
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: and Keith are worth at the peak of what they

890
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: were doing in the nineties for the Big Show edition

891
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: of Sports Center, and what that value would be now

892
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: in this space. That's like twenty million a pop for

893
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: each of them. Yeah right.

894
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: I mean that's why you have to love what you do,

895
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: if you you know, I always say there's a sea

896
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: of money, go find good management that if you're driven

897
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: by money, you'll wear yourself out. It's like, you know,

898
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: it's like an act. You gotta love the art to

899
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: some degree. Maybe maybe Rock doesn't care, maybe he does,

900
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you gotta love the art. You

901
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: love writing. You can't love it for the money. It's

902
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: too fucking hard. You have to love it for the

903
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: for the mental exercise, the storytelling, like I always look.

904
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I never compare salaries. I mean,

905
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: stephen A and this and that. Stephen A is great.

906
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: Whatever he gets, he gets like I got mortgages to pay.

907
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: I just don't care if I feel I'm being treated fairly.

908
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm good spoken, like somebody who's been paid well for

909
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: a long time.

910
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: I get out of here.

911
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things at ESPN. With the

912
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: guys that always told you to never worry about anybody

913
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: else's salary, we're killing.

914
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: It pretty good.

915
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: Point.

916
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: So you and I are very similar on a lot

917
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: of things, and we don't see a ton of each other,

918
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: but we see each other a half dozen times a year,

919
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, I clearly respect you, and

920
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: you've been always so good to me. And one of

921
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: the things that was sort of alarming when social media

922
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 2: began is that like one small town newspaper person could

923
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: have a take and it would inflame the internet. One

924
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: rando on a Reddit board could say something, and corporations

925
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: are scaling back and firing people, and that a lot

926
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 2: of the media. You know, I think it's pretty clear

927
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: at newspapers for years kind of leaned left, probably seventy

928
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: seventy five percent, which is probably healthy. Like a stand

929
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: up comedian's funner when he's fighting for the little guy,

930
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: he's not on the corporate side. I kind of like

931
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: my media and my comedians to be a little off

932
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: center and fighting uphill, not not rolling down here hill

933
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: and the little guy. But one of the things I

934
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: think about all the time is whenever I hear Roger

935
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: Goodell get criticized, I'm like a media guy. Everyone run

936
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: a business, because I do. And there's not a week

937
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: when there isn't a landmine, like you have no idea.

938
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: And I watched the NBA and I watched Goodell deal

939
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: with social causes and social strife, and he's handled it

940
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: really well. And it was really interesting. Looking at the

941
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: TV ratings after the Super Bowl, I thought, yeah, they're

942
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: all up, and we like celebrities with our sports. We

943
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: don't like politics. The Kaepernick thing hurt ratings, And I

944
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: thought to myself, you've never met anybody in real life

945
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: that said, I love politics with my sports. But there's

946
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: enough of an of It's small, but there are people

947
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: often in the media that say you have to have

948
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: some of it it's a responsibility. And I guess my

949
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: takeaway is, isn't my responsibility as a broadcaster to my audience?

950
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: And if my audience, clearly the data proves they don't

951
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: like it. They they like to see Bradley Cooper in

952
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: an Eagles game. They I mean numbers, they like Taylor

953
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: Swift there right, despite the Internet. They don't like politics.

954
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: With our sports, the local columnist will try to guilt

955
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: you into it. But I sit there and I think

956
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: watching the numbers for twenty years and they've had one

957
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: down year, and I'm like, the audience is telling me

958
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: this is escapism. Absolutely, I'm not in the same politics.

959
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: It was the same thing with our shows. Look if

960
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: I were a political pundit, and I wouldn't be. I'm

961
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: not super interested in it. I find both sides disappointing.

962
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: I remember the first time ever caring about politics. My

963
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: father's a humble construction guy, self employed. We don't have

964
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: health insurance for the entire family. Bill Clinton sitting there

965
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one, going within one hundred days, we

966
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: have figured it, and I'm like, oh my god, Like

967
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot kid being like, Wow, We're gonna have

968
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: health insurance with one hundred days. The president just the

969
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: guy that's going to win a little thing. And then

970
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: he was like, oh wait, that never happened like that

971
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: never in my family. You know. My parents both voted

972
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: for him and were really excited about it, because again

973
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: you're just kind of voting for stuff. You were like, Hey,

974
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: that's going to impact That's gonna impact me, you know.

975
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: And so I I have a lot of thoughts because

976
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: I can't escape seeing all of this. But you know,

977
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: we were both at ESPN and again I was there

978
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: one more contract after you. That's when it really changed

979
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: where the out was, Hey, even though you're coming to

980
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: me for sports, this is more important. And I could

981
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: never tell you that you're wrong. I can't say, no,

982
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: you're wrong, this isn't more important. But you know what,

983
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of stuff that falls into this

984
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: category that is far more important than whether or not

985
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger has it this year. Yeah win the North Okay, Like, yeah,

986
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: you win. I submit, but that's not what I was

987
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: fucking hired to do. Okay. And I I'd always look

988
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: at like every now and then you might do like

989
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: a societal observation take and then pivot into something else

990
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: and it'd be like a really killer monologue, and those

991
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: would usually do better for you than just a breakdown

992
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: of something sports because it stood out because it was rare,

993
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: get a little run, and it would end up on

994
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: the message boards, you know, and if it was Twitter,

995
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: then Twitter would be paying attention to it. And so

996
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: I think what happened was that, depending on how you

997
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: were aligned, you started seeing wins in content by pushing

998
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: that more and more. And look, we had some major

999
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: major events over the last few years. I've also noticed

1000
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: that anybody that talks for a living kind of feels

1001
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: like they're supposed to talk about everything. But I always

1002
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: felt like, yeah, I have some thoughts, and one of

1003
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: the few times I've ever shared them, you know, in

1004
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: some sectors, I was getting destroyed and I'd read something

1005
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: about me like that's not even really what I'm about,

1006
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: Like this is shocking to me, but whatever. I mean,

1007
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: it's the way it works. And I think if I

1008
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: came out and did an opening segment on a sports podcast,

1009
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: why I think both parties suck, then I'm not even

1010
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: offending one half. I'm offending both of them. Like I'm

1011
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: telling both like there's not even a group that wants

1012
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, go get him, you're on our

1013
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: side rooting for me. So I just honestly, I felt

1014
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: like it was easier than watching a million fucking games.

1015
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: I thought it became very self serving. I thought the

1016
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: intention was good, but I would see it with people

1017
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: that we worked with where I felt, all of a sudden,

1018
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you doing this because it's the right thing.

1019
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: Are you doing this because it's just fucking way easier

1020
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: doing this than grinding and watching twenty hours of football

1021
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: on a weekend.

1022
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: No, I listen. I've told my staff this before. The

1023
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: laziest take is, hey, let's talk media because you don't

1024
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: have to do any homework and it gets tons of clicks.

1025
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: So I always say on my radio TV stuff, it's like, yeah,

1026
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 2: I'm not getting into that. That's an easy eight minute filler.

1027
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 2: I don't need to do prep to have an opinion

1028
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: on media. I gotta watch guys sit there on a

1029
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: Sunday for eight goddamn hours, sometimes twelve writing notes for

1030
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: all these games Saturday. Now, the Big Tens explosion in

1031
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: the SEC all we have to watch two conferences, but

1032
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: the Big Tens schedule next year is going to be

1033
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: like you know, Oregon, Penn State, early, Ohio State, Wisconsin,

1034
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: next USC. It's gonna be four games in a row.

1035
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: I'll be watching all day Saturday. So no, I think,

1036
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: I guess. I guess. My point was politically is there

1037
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: was a moment in time where you felt almost guilted

1038
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: into having strong opinions on it. And I always look

1039
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: at my entire life as editing. Even though I'm doing

1040
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: a three hour show, it's ninety minutes after ads and

1041
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: then I have one to two guests for ten to

1042
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: twelve minutes. And my takeaway is I leave a lot out.

1043
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: I can certainly leave politics out. I leave hockey out,

1044
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: and NASCAR in the baseball regular season, I leave them

1045
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: all out. I can leave politics out. And I never

1046
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: really felt guilty when ESPN went into that space. I

1047
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: was like, hey man, you go for it. Nobody's coming

1048
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: to CNBC for football picks, Like that's not my take.

1049
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 2: I'm editing out of those important issues because I don't

1050
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: think anybody thinks I'm well versed enough to have a

1051
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: strong opinion on them.

1052
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: Hey look, I get invited to go on some investing show,

1053
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: right because I'll mention something here or there or talk

1054
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: about and I was like, no, I'm not I'm not

1055
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: that guy. I'm not comfortable enough to do it. I'm

1056
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: not educated enough. I don't want to debate somebody on

1057
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: investment strategy. And I just I know that at least

1058
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: in the twenty years that I've done this, I feel

1059
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: like you kind of owe it to the like, you know,

1060
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: you want to you want to do something that's like

1061
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: we answer emails about advice at the end of it,

1062
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Speaker 1: you know, but it's more of a mechanism to have

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Speaker 1: fun and close the podcast fast. I just I didn't

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Speaker 1: really understand it. And I even did a segment on

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Speaker 1: it back back when I was at ESPN. I was

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Speaker 1: kind of like, what's the job becoming? Because this is

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Speaker 1: this what the job is supposed to be. And I

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Speaker 1: to your point, like I don't know that I ever

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Speaker 1: met anybody, was like, you know, I really like your

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Speaker 1: basketball stuff, but I hope you share. I hope you

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Speaker 1: do little stuff on the primaries. That's funny.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I covered unlv In tarc it was

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Speaker 2: we were embroiled in this NC double a shit and

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Speaker 2: at one point I went to a news director, and

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Speaker 2: I said, not interested, no law degree. I want to

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Speaker 2: cover the games. If you want to fire me, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to do big opinions on sports and you and

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Speaker 2: LV basketball. You guys cover the NC double a shit

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Speaker 2: with Tark because I'm over it, and he's like all right,

1080
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: And then they put a reporter. Dan Burns was the guy.

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Speaker 2: They put him on the big stories. But I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing this. I'm over it. I want to

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Speaker 2: cover the games. And if I'm a simplistic person, fine,

1084
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Speaker 2: but I have takes. None of them are about bureaucracy.

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Speaker 2: Like but people, when when I heard this on the internet,

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00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: how come you don't have an opinion on Lebron and

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00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: China because it's not interesting. I don't care about Lebron

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Speaker 2: and China and his opinion. I'm sorry. If it's you

1089
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: could label it as you want, like you know me

1090
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Speaker 2: well enough. My rule in the entire business is just

1091
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Speaker 2: be interesting. Don't don't be paralyzed by wrong. Be interesting.

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Speaker 1: You hate Chin, I mean what you shared with me privately.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. Okay, here's a here's a bit. You can

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Speaker 2: use this on one of your I'm sure you will

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00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: on one of your treatments, you know, the networks. So

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this the other day. It's too

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00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 2: bad Larry David quit. You know, he stopped his show.

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Speaker 2: So you do this from time to time. You'll talk

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Speaker 2: about a message or or a life a life hack.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I'm at a grocery store. I have about nine

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Speaker 2: items and it's not even a nine item ten item line.

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00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: I'm the middle of the day. I'm not going heavy

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Speaker 2: grocery shopping. I got nine items.

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Speaker 1: You like to prep the items each day.

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Speaker 2: I buy the same shit every third days. Right, But

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00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: lady behind me in stale, lady behind me has like

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Speaker 2: a drink and a kind bar, and she looks at

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00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: me like, hey, I got two, you got nine. Come on,

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Speaker 2: don't be selfish. I want to be And I looked

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00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: at her and I was like, I stared her down.

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Speaker 2: I'm like bummer, and I just and I thought as

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Speaker 2: I walked out, what's the math on that? What's the

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Speaker 2: math on somebody has clearly a drink and a snack.

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Speaker 2: What's the number where you can be like, Nope, I'm

1116
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Speaker 2: not letting you cut. If I've thirty two, I'd let

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Speaker 2: her go twenty four absolutely, sixteen year turn. I was

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Speaker 2: at nine. I counted mine. I'm like eight nine. I

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00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 2: looked at her. I was like, talk to the hand.

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Speaker 2: Take on that.

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Speaker 1: I'm on your side. I had it happen with a woman.

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00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: I was out at the marina. I had two items

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Speaker 1: in my hand, and then I said, I'm gonna grab

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Speaker 1: two waters to the side one of the side coolers,

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Speaker 1: and as soon as I reached to the side, she

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Speaker 1: just darted the car right behind me and cut me

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Speaker 1: because there was no one there. The cashier was waiting,

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Speaker 1: so it was like open open, and I was gonna

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Speaker 1: have four items to be done. But once I leaned

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Speaker 1: to the right, she just you know, rubbing his race

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Speaker 1: and it went right past me. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm not gonna get mad about this. And

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Speaker 1: then I saw her put the divider down and she

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Speaker 1: was going to do two separate transactions for her and

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Speaker 1: her mother. So the woman was like fifty and the

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Speaker 1: mom was don't one hundred and twelve. And so I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're doing two transactions. We're doing two,

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Speaker 1: and she goes, you were out of the way, you

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Speaker 1: were grabbing water, and so she immediately knew, and I

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that's kind of the point, like you're

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Speaker 1: pointing out, you're pointing out to me why I'm right,

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00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: and you already had like you already had your defense

1143
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: ready in case I was ready to say anything. So like,

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00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: to me, you're even more guilty now, And I went,

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Speaker 1: you know what I was doing? I go, I was

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00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: reaching for water. The aisle was wide open, I have

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00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: these four things. You have a cart, and now it's

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Speaker 1: two transactions. I go, you know, you don't need to

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Speaker 1: do that. And then she just got really aggressive, and

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00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: I just said, you know what, you're right, I'm wrong.

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00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: When'd she say nothing?

1152
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Because I was like, I obviously wasn't saying that. So

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00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: as I think about your thing, which was far less hostile,

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Speaker 1: I imagine I think it's a visual metric. If you're at

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Speaker 1: a half fold full KRT or maybe an overflowing, overflowing

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00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: hand basket, you know, celery out one side, rolls barely

1157
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: hanging on getting strangled by the handles, then she might

1158
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Speaker 1: have an issue with you. But if we're talking surface

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Speaker 1: area that's not covered on the bottom of the basket

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Speaker 1: for nine items, not even at double figures, you know,

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Speaker 1: what was what was she going to do? Shave eighty

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Speaker 1: seconds off her day.

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Speaker 2: Good point. All right, Rosillo, You know I hate bothering you.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out, I mean, have a beer tonight

1165
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Speaker 2: at the club, but.

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Speaker 1: We'll say hi to everybody for me.

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Speaker 2: Are you breaking down the NBA central tonight?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing? Come on thunder Magic Magic on

1169
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: TNT for the first time in twelve years. I think

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Speaker 1: this is his big stuff over here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, Barkley doesn't even know if you told him, okay,

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Speaker 2: see nickname. He doesn't have any idea.

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Speaker 1: No, I imagine how many guess did you have to

1174
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: get to get the head coach's name right? No? But

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Speaker 1: I'm I look, I was away, so I felt like

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00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: there was a stretch of a few days or I

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Speaker 1: wasn't as locked in. So trying to be locked in again,

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Speaker 1: I get to come up with an opening monologue for

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00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning too. On top of everything else, I don't

1180
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: know what it's going to be. Right now, clock is ticking.

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00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: How long is your opening monologue?

1182
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: About?

1183
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: Fifteen?

1184
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fifteen. If I'm really feeling myself, I go a

1185
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: little bit longer. But I don't like to keep him

1186
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: that long, you know, I don't care who you are.

1187
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: I think post twenty minutes monologue, one guy straight, no

1188
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: audio breakups. That's you know, it's not ideal, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: I still do it.

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00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, feel self indulgent, don't don't go there.

1191
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: Does feel little, especially when you start getting to like,

1192
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: and here's the thing about the G League at night,

1193
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: you got to get this in there.

1194
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: Right, you've gone, You've crossed the rubicon. I'm not I'm

1195
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: not comfortable with it.

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00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: I like talking about that stuff.

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, and a topics or a topics all right, buddy,

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: good seeing you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Ben

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Speaker 2: The volume