Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Head hours at
Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brats,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. We are now in full
Speaker 1: offseason mode here at the Star in Frisco. Welcome to
Speaker 1: another edition of Talking Cowboys as we wrap up two
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen look ahead to two thousand nineteen. Bill
Speaker 1: Jones along with Mickey Spagnola. Salute again, Mickey, Are you
Speaker 1: good to be with here watching on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: The salute salutations from Mickey. We've got Rob Phillips and
Speaker 1: we've got Brian brought us hard at work with a
Speaker 1: laptop computer. It's this time of year you have to
Speaker 1: know numbers. Yeah, you know, people ask who gets cut,
Speaker 1: who's under contract? Why. I've got to the point I
Speaker 1: can't remember who is under contract and who's not under contract.
Speaker 1: Did that dirty work yesterday and put it in my
Speaker 1: brand new blue notebook for two nineteen starting up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually just printed out same as a draft book, as
Speaker 1: it's easier. It's I got a blue book, my blue
Speaker 1: book or the Cowboys in the NFL, and my green
Speaker 1: book is for the draft. The draft. This sheet, this
Speaker 1: sheet is in every press media guide for every game,
Speaker 1: and you don't really look at it until this week.
Speaker 1: You know, you really just worry about it. The release,
Speaker 1: season release, every week, season contracts. It's time to talk
Speaker 1: about it, right, It's never changes from the first week
Speaker 1: to the last week. That's something you need to have though.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, because you can make some errors whenever
Speaker 1: you one wrong all wrong with that PR department, But
Speaker 1: you you can make errors when you are taking it
Speaker 1: from your laptop and putting it into a notebook. Wise,
Speaker 1: that's what I did. Yet I was like, why did
Speaker 1: I put Byron Jones down as a free agent when
Speaker 1: they picked up his fifth year option, and so I
Speaker 1: put him in the wrong category. I realized that it
Speaker 1: dawned on me this morning. Wait a second, and that's
Speaker 1: that's why to me, this is one of the most
Speaker 1: intriguing offseasons coming up that they've had in a while, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got some guys out of contract, and Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: is the biggest one, but they've got a lot of
Speaker 1: guys with one year left on their deal that you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, what do they do with his deal? When
Speaker 1: does that deal get done? And it's it's not just Dak,
Speaker 1: you know, it's Zeke, it's Byron Jones, it's Amari Cooper. Uh.
Speaker 1: They got to figure out what they're gonna do with
Speaker 1: these guys and and what the timing is going to
Speaker 1: be and how to make it all work. Jerry was
Speaker 1: talking about that on the fan this this morning, you know, said, hell,
Speaker 1: I want a bigger boat, you know, but how do
Speaker 1: you how do you make it all work under the cat? Yep?
Speaker 1: So what are you noticing on that? No? I was
Speaker 1: just looking at numbers. I was just looking at you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just like to have names in front
Speaker 1: of me and I you know, and you when you're
Speaker 1: looking at your team, you have to think about again.
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of us has to do
Speaker 1: with you know, what happens with Lawrence, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I I if they don't get a deal, do
Speaker 1: you use to use the franchise tag again on him? Now?
Speaker 1: Do you have some hard feelings? You know? All these
Speaker 1: things kind of play into and if you if you
Speaker 1: if you don't if you don't sign him, do you
Speaker 1: draft somebody? Can you find? You know, these are all
Speaker 1: things you have to think about, the dominoes that all
Speaker 1: kind of fall into place. I think there's some guys
Speaker 1: that are probably not going to be here, you know.
Speaker 1: I my thought about Cole Beasley is I don't think
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley is probably gonna be here. You know, I
Speaker 1: should not. They don't dump out him? Comes out to money, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to money. But you're talking
Speaker 1: about some of the guys. Some of the things they
Speaker 1: have to need, they're gonna have to to figure out.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's one of those ones. I kind
Speaker 1: of just in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, maybe the
Speaker 1: draft I have to go look for a this guy
Speaker 1: or this guy or this guy. You know. That's kind
Speaker 1: of how I look at the end of the season here,
Speaker 1: especially with this team. Yeah, but you will know that
Speaker 1: before you get to the draft, right yep, I mean
Speaker 1: you don't. So he's gonna be a market guy. You're
Speaker 1: gonna say, Okay, I'm not signing you ahead of time,
Speaker 1: right see, with the market value proven that, and then
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can sign you. Anthony Hitchins and
Speaker 1: if somebody gives you all that money, it's like, we
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Have a good year. All right. We
Speaker 1: had the season ending press conference from Jason Garrett yesterday.
Speaker 1: What were your takeaways from that? The coaches, the coaching situation.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Jason, I don't know that he
Speaker 1: completed all the player exit interviews, but he estimated sixty
Speaker 1: five he had done by two o'clock yesterday afternoon. We
Speaker 1: ought to be damn near done with sixty five. And
Speaker 1: I know, and he said he went into the coach
Speaker 1: meetings after the press conference yesterday, and that was and
Speaker 1: he did because I was trying to get something from
Speaker 1: him and he was running, well, I was. I was
Speaker 1: taping the Jason Garrett Show yesterday afternoon, and originally we
Speaker 1: were going to do it at four thirty. He got
Speaker 1: pushed back to five or forty five, and we wound
Speaker 1: up doing it after a seven o'clock So yeah, oh, no,
Speaker 1: he was in a meeting that he couldn't get out
Speaker 1: of from three o'clock on. Basically, well, he was going
Speaker 1: into a staff meeting, yeah, immediately, So on that subject,
Speaker 1: he said, you know, no status of the coaching staff
Speaker 1: right now, they haven't had those discussions as of early
Speaker 1: Monday afternoon. M kind of in line with what Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said on the radio yesterday. Jerry wouldn't comment about
Speaker 1: the overall status of the coaching staff. So it is
Speaker 1: what it is right now, you know, I mean, what
Speaker 1: is it? Jerry said they wanted him to go on record,
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, there's no record because when I
Speaker 1: hang up this phone, I don't know what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: So there's no record. Yeah. I thought that was twenty
Speaker 1: four minutes of gold this morning. It was Greaham. He
Speaker 1: was on his game this morning. Believe me, he didn't oversleep.
Speaker 1: He had this whole thing thought out, and I think
Speaker 1: he kind of projected every question he was going to
Speaker 1: get because he didn't stutter on one answer, starting with
Speaker 1: the one that you answered yesterday, which was about him
Speaker 1: not talking to the media to the game on Saturday night.
Speaker 1: Was it that he was avoiding the media. It was
Speaker 1: he couldn't get for the press box at the coliseum
Speaker 1: down to where nobody can. Yeah, that's what we talked
Speaker 1: about yesterday. What's your biggest takeaway from that though? Of
Speaker 1: all the gold he had, give me the top three
Speaker 1: gold Moments. Number one, that he liked the direction this
Speaker 1: team was going coaching staff wise or player wise from
Speaker 1: a talent standpoint. Uh. That and that he's basically not
Speaker 1: holding twenty eighteen responsible for sixteen for fourteen for oh
Speaker 1: nine for seven for ninety six, that they couldn't make
Speaker 1: the next step. He felt like, uh, they were building
Speaker 1: for the future, and that's why he thought this, that
Speaker 1: he felt good about what took place this season. As
Speaker 1: for the coaching staff, I think what he was trying
Speaker 1: to say is as the season went along, the staff
Speaker 1: did a better job because it was a new staff,
Speaker 1: and that they kind of came together, especially after they
Speaker 1: made the change on the offensive line. He felt like
Speaker 1: the assistant coaches grew as the team also, uh grew,
Speaker 1: and that everything's open. It's like I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to be available, And I think that's how he
Speaker 1: put it with the offensive coordinator, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to be available next week, so I can't tell
Speaker 1: you this week what I'm doing in two weeks, So
Speaker 1: I would imagine, you know, kind of things are are
Speaker 1: kind of open. He seemed pleased with the direction they went,
Speaker 1: and another strong support for his head coach too, and
Speaker 1: strong support for the head coach. And that's something I
Speaker 1: think we've pointed out before. He kind of I don't
Speaker 1: know if he listens to us or what, but he
Speaker 1: kind of said Tom Landry wouldn't have been Tom Landry
Speaker 1: had the Cowboys not given him a chance to continue on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think people have more problems with Scott Linahan than
Speaker 1: they do Jason Garrett. It was funny you mentioned that
Speaker 1: because I was talking with Rob before the show and
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison, who's taking your phone calls here? You can
Speaker 1: we I guess we can throw out this question, Mike question.
Speaker 1: I asked probably four or five different people over the
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, what is your first order of
Speaker 1: business for the Cowboys this offseason? And asked who? Just
Speaker 1: these were just they were people people, Yeah, Oh okay, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: the production people at work, whoever? You know, Just what's
Speaker 1: your first dandy? Not dandy? Now, what's your first order
Speaker 1: of business? And to a man and one woman, each
Speaker 1: one of them said, uh, play caller, his first order
Speaker 1: of changed the play collar. Did the play caller get
Speaker 1: it better when they got the receiver? Yeah? And the
Speaker 1: numbers went up. Numbers went up right, I'm just mentioning
Speaker 1: that as that is what a lot of fans are saying,
Speaker 1: is they got and I think it's knee jerk it's
Speaker 1: that knee jerk reactions. Well, we got to do something
Speaker 1: to get to fix this. Yeah, I know they can't
Speaker 1: further head coach. Well, and they're looking at the four
Speaker 1: teams remaining in the playoffs. Sure, they're all the highest
Speaker 1: scoring teams in the NFL. Right, so yeah, what can
Speaker 1: you do to take this offense to another level? That's
Speaker 1: always a lot anytime they lose a game. What do
Speaker 1: we get the most criticism about? Yeah, the play call? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we don't know. Yeah, that's that's easy for us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really it's really easy to say, you know, and
Speaker 1: Mickey talks about execution and things like that. I'm I
Speaker 1: tweeted it out this morning. I'm all for bringing all
Speaker 1: these guys back. I'm all for it. Whole staff, the
Speaker 1: whole staff. I'm all for bringing them back, and I'm
Speaker 1: making them all coach for their jobs is what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not going to extend Jason Garrett. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make this staff coach as a group and and
Speaker 1: and see what we can get out of this. If
Speaker 1: you get it, if you win the division again, if
Speaker 1: you get into divisional playoffs again, you know, by all means,
Speaker 1: I'll find a way to reward you. Or if you
Speaker 1: want to stay, but I I you know, to to
Speaker 1: sit there and say, okay, well we're going to extend
Speaker 1: this guy, and then then the coordinator doesn't work. If
Speaker 1: you want if you want to fire the coordinator, then
Speaker 1: if I'm Jerry Jones, I'm telling Jason Garrett you're calling
Speaker 1: plays now, then I'm not going to put up with
Speaker 1: some of these coordinators they're talking about right now, I'm
Speaker 1: just not okay, So fire the coordinator. Who are you hiring?
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, That's that's why. No, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Next questions, exactly you could hate Scott Linahan all you want,
Speaker 1: but tell me who. And Mickey it drives me nuts
Speaker 1: when he uses this, but in this time it applies.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely Look what all these other teams are doing,
Speaker 1: guys they're hiring as coordinator. Experiously, if you if you
Speaker 1: were going to tell me you want Ken Zampez or
Speaker 1: you want to Jim Bob Cooder or who all hackets,
Speaker 1: Paul Hack. Yeah, if you want one of those guys, great,
Speaker 1: But if you extend and then you and then it
Speaker 1: turns out to be a Now what have you accomplished?
Speaker 1: And you want to and you want to get rid
Speaker 1: of Verry, We're at the same point I think Jerry made.
Speaker 1: Did Jerry say it today? He said, I don't know
Speaker 1: how many more people Sean mcvagh knows. Yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: who's getting hired. Anybody that I mean, the better back
Speaker 1: coach who is never called plays right, that's why Kingsbury's
Speaker 1: a head coach in the NFL, Right, why people have
Speaker 1: trouble hiring coaches. And then your next question, Your next question,
Speaker 1: and for those people should be what did you predict
Speaker 1: the Cowboys record to be this year? Well? They they
Speaker 1: gotten the plus. Let's not focus on that. No, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that's not focus focus on expected it, focus
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff. It doesn't matter. Focus on the
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Well we just did. I'm saying, I'm with
Speaker 1: telling him when he gets those questions, those are the
Speaker 1: next two questions. But but the expectations changed, and it's
Speaker 1: a weird vibe in this building right now. Change it's
Speaker 1: a it changed when it changed after they made the
Speaker 1: trade and they started winning. It's it's a combination. It's
Speaker 1: a combination of you. They feel like they accomplished something,
Speaker 1: but if you and there's a lot of voices this week,
Speaker 1: Steven's Talk, Jerry's Talk, Jason's talk, if you listen to
Speaker 1: Steven yesterday, there's a lot of disappointment here too. Because yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because Steven said on the radio yesterday, we've got to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get past this this barrier
Speaker 1: we're at and it's the second round of the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I think that this is a different team than
Speaker 1: recent years. But they've you know, it's been a glass ceiling.
Speaker 1: And so what you do. You know, you got a
Speaker 1: young team. You're expecting those guys to get to the
Speaker 1: next level. But where else can they look? How introspective
Speaker 1: can they beating? Okay, so why didn't they get there
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen? It doesn't matter, we're talking about twenty eighteen. No,
Speaker 1: I'm asking. He just said they can't get over the barrier.
Speaker 1: Is it a one year barrier or is it a
Speaker 1: five year barrier? It's been a twenty something year backer. Okay,
Speaker 1: So twenty sixteen. The reason they didn't get there because
Speaker 1: the defense wasn't good enough, right, Yeah, and the defense
Speaker 1: got better until that game. So how do you figure
Speaker 1: they improve the defense? The offensive line faltered, and it
Speaker 1: faltered in the Rams game. Sure, Joe Looney played well
Speaker 1: all season long. Yeah, he was no match for Nodomicon
Speaker 1: Sue in that game. Okay, so what do you do?
Speaker 1: You hope, hope that your center comes back. Right. That
Speaker 1: was one of the great things that came out of
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's press conference yesterday. Yeah, it sounds like Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick is. I mean, he's already been by stuff and
Speaker 1: you Brian mentioned it yesterday that it looks very positive
Speaker 1: for his return. It's great night. I'm god just firing
Speaker 1: guys to fire guys. I think that's where everybody's going
Speaker 1: in the wrong direction here. If you want to tell
Speaker 1: me that the if in fact, they made the trade
Speaker 1: and then the team team started getting worse offensively and
Speaker 1: they didn't make the playoffs, by all means, move on,
Speaker 1: move on. But I'm again, I'm I'm letting this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let this thing ride for one more year.
Speaker 1: I am I'm not gonna because I'm seeing the guys
Speaker 1: out there and again, if you want to make a change,
Speaker 1: my recommendation would be, didn Jason Garrett call the place.
Speaker 1: That would be my recommendation. If you want to get
Speaker 1: rid of Glennahan, if you want to get rid of
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, go get your quarterback coach and let and
Speaker 1: let and let Jason Garrett call the play. Is that
Speaker 1: because you don't want to vastly change the course. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to help Dak Prescott the best I can, and
Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily changing coordinators right now. If you
Speaker 1: tell me, I could go out next year and hire
Speaker 1: a head coach that's an offic it's a mindy coach,
Speaker 1: and he could come in here and sweep everything in
Speaker 1: Newton by all means. But also though I'm willing to
Speaker 1: give this coach a chance, I'm willing to give this
Speaker 1: head coach a chance, in this offensive coordinator a chance.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, then make all your changes you want.
Speaker 1: But I'm not changing then all of a sudden, think
Speaker 1: about changing the head coach again and then probably having
Speaker 1: to change the coordinator if it doesn't work. And I'm
Speaker 1: not into changing a bunch of things right now just
Speaker 1: to change. And Jerry made that point that he has
Speaker 1: done that previously, that you changed the head coach, you
Speaker 1: changed the coordinator. Now I'm changing my staff and I
Speaker 1: have no continuity none. That is the biggest problem here.
Speaker 1: Look at what goes on. You think that Arizona has
Speaker 1: continuity right now? Changing coach one year, they went through
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians all that time they changed, then they got
Speaker 1: a whole new staff of coaches. How about Denver? Denver
Speaker 1: two years, whole new staff of coaches. How would you
Speaker 1: convince the owner to make Jason Garrett the play caller again?
Speaker 1: How would you? Yeah, Batman, because he was the caller
Speaker 1: and then though it changed. I believe there's two head
Speaker 1: coaches this league that are art play callers or primary
Speaker 1: or not that our primary or not? Oh not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to think who the other one was. I think
Speaker 1: there were two in this league because if you feel
Speaker 1: good about what's going on with your defense, and you
Speaker 1: don't have to spend time there because think about it,
Speaker 1: they were struggling defensively, right and yeah until they got
Speaker 1: kind of Marinelli in and now you got Richard and
Speaker 1: he felt like he needed to overlook everything. And that's
Speaker 1: when he gave up the play calling, right, So that
Speaker 1: was the reason why to give it, gave it up
Speaker 1: to begin with. So maybe things have changed now to
Speaker 1: where you convince them that, okay, yeah, that's the best
Speaker 1: route to go is to if this team was three
Speaker 1: and thirteen, I get it, I get it, move on,
Speaker 1: move on. They weren't at three. There were three and
Speaker 1: five at one time that that you know, they were
Speaker 1: on the path to being let go. But now you
Speaker 1: turn things around. But I again, extension and all that stuff. No,
Speaker 1: h you make players. You make players play for contract extension.
Speaker 1: You got a seventeen million dollar guy that you're trying
Speaker 1: to get done. Now you made him play. What did
Speaker 1: he do? He played pretty well for you, didn't he?
Speaker 1: So what you're saying, you would be in favor, not
Speaker 1: to put words in your mouth, Yeah, you would be
Speaker 1: in favor of giving Garrett the play calling duties if
Speaker 1: in one year and not extended. If I'm not saying
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to change, if
Speaker 1: you if everybody out there standing at out front of
Speaker 1: the Star here on one Cowboy Way and with the
Speaker 1: pitchforks and the torches and all that and about to
Speaker 1: storm the doors. If you want to do that, and
Speaker 1: you don't have an answer for what he just said
Speaker 1: about a play caller, you don't have a suitable offensive coordinator. Okay,
Speaker 1: then your next response to just be Bill Garrett and
Speaker 1: need to call the plays that needs to happen. And
Speaker 1: if you want to move on from the quarterback coach,
Speaker 1: bring Wade Wilson back. Whatever you want to do, do it.
Speaker 1: But right now you don't have a good answer. You
Speaker 1: really don't, and don't act like you do. Don't act
Speaker 1: like you do. You just want blood, is what you want. Sure,
Speaker 1: And that's a you know what. That's why you're a fan,
Speaker 1: because you want blood. I'm you know what, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: all for I'm all for making changes and stuff, but
Speaker 1: I'm also making changes for reasons, you know, And everybody's
Speaker 1: out there it's like going, oh, the offensive offense got
Speaker 1: better once they made the trade. Yeah, started moving the
Speaker 1: ball better. Yep? You know, is that Lanahan or is
Speaker 1: that the trade that Jerry Jones made? You know? Did
Speaker 1: the front office help the coaches? I wonder what Robert
Speaker 1: in New York wants. Let's check out. Be careful, Robert
Speaker 1: in New York. You're on talking Cowboys. Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 1: I was a um thinking, like we we definitely we
Speaker 1: definitely need uh defensive defensive lineman, like an interior linement. Um,
Speaker 1: it's interest because of what you saw in the game
Speaker 1: last week. Absolutely absolutely like we need like a almost
Speaker 1: like a game record, like I mean David David Irving. No, okay, guy,
Speaker 1: no you will. But if he had been there and
Speaker 1: been the David Irving you were planning on, it could
Speaker 1: have been. Yeah. Absolutely, Um. I was thinking, maybe, like
Speaker 1: in the draft we can pick one up. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard. It's gonna be hard. I mean, they're really
Speaker 1: good ones, like the Jeffrey Simmons guys, like that Wilkins,
Speaker 1: those guys, they're all gonna be gone the first round. Right.
Speaker 1: What about what about I almost don't want to say
Speaker 1: him because I think he's gonna slide a little bit.
Speaker 1: What about the kids from Wisconsin? The Saga Polo guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at him yet, but we're gonna have
Speaker 1: the draft show here coming up Thursday. I'm sure Dame
Speaker 1: Brugler can answer all the questions about that kid. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, though, I think one of the one of
Speaker 1: the problems they had in that game, because that's the
Speaker 1: game we're focusing on now, right we are, because we
Speaker 1: are before that Seattle, it was the human Log and
Speaker 1: and it was MALIEK. Collins. Well, MALIEK. Collins didn't get
Speaker 1: the chance to play enough snaps in that game. I
Speaker 1: think between his illness and his knee, he didn't practice
Speaker 1: that much either. And Karan Reads was terrible. He was
Speaker 1: he messed you know what. He his inability messed up
Speaker 1: the human log. Yeah. Uh. And they were forced to
Speaker 1: play Randy Gregory I think too many plays on the
Speaker 1: outside because he was not very good against the run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they picked on him. Yeah, and and so knew
Speaker 1: that coming in and they knew it. They knew it.
Speaker 1: They knew whites chandle him a man demand you saw it.
Speaker 1: But on the in the running game, Yeah, they took
Speaker 1: advantage of him getting up the field and they ran
Speaker 1: underneath them. A little bit unsettling feeling for fans right now,
Speaker 1: because of the strength that you had all year didn't
Speaker 1: show up in the biggest a season. You go into
Speaker 1: the offseason, then how do you look at it? Well,
Speaker 1: you're saying the first thing you need is a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: and I you know what that that there's where David
Speaker 1: Irving hurts you. But you know what, this team played
Speaker 1: single high safety all year and defended to run right
Speaker 1: all year long. Yep, they were one of the best
Speaker 1: in the league at it. Let's not act like that one.
Speaker 1: You know when when they were bad? What two games
Speaker 1: were they bad this year? Colts and Rams? Colts and Rams?
Speaker 1: What happened? Got turned up front, got a got guys
Speaker 1: up on the linebackers playing to playing, playing single high
Speaker 1: coverage the whole way. You caught a team that just
Speaker 1: physically beat you up, just like the Colts, did, you know.
Speaker 1: And if you want to say, yeah, well they need
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, well you know what you need to
Speaker 1: say too, they need some linebackers too. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: base it on one game because vander esh and Smith
Speaker 1: weren't any good either. Only played a lot in that
Speaker 1: game and he wasn't any good either, well the reason
Speaker 1: they weren't any good is because they had offensive lineman
Speaker 1: blocking them the whole game. That is why you lost
Speaker 1: that football game. They had often on that thirty what
Speaker 1: was what was this touchdown run? Girly thirty five thirty five.
Speaker 1: Whitworth is coming down field with him. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: didn't have to touch anybody. How does he get off
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage like that? They washed a lot
Speaker 1: of our guys. They did it against the Colts. We
Speaker 1: got we gotta go to a break. Yeah, but when
Speaker 1: we come back, I want you to to if you
Speaker 1: recall the defensive alignment on that play and where Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith was lined up and and well we'll go over
Speaker 1: it in the break. I can't remeb what happened for
Speaker 1: breakfast Bill, but they were they were lying down. We'll
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Speaker 1: I mentioned that Todd Gurley touchdown run um and can
Speaker 1: I say this before you say yes? In fact, there
Speaker 1: there we go right there as you were. If you're
Speaker 1: a great job, Yes, Garrison has it called up for us.
Speaker 1: Look where Jalen Smith is is lined up. He was
Speaker 1: basically over the tight end Higbee. Yeah all right, and
Speaker 1: then there's the cutback by Gurley. Happened to vander esh
Speaker 1: on that play? Yeah, he was in the middle of
Speaker 1: They got washed. I mean, they just completely got washed.
Speaker 1: To see what happens to Karen Reid. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he gets knocked on the ground. Did they run the trap?
Speaker 1: But you're talking, but you're talking about lining into the
Speaker 1: second level? Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's a replay here
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, Yeah, we got another Kent doing a
Speaker 1: great job of producing on the fly. Here if you're
Speaker 1: watching long, Ken has got up the replay of the
Speaker 1: Gurly touch here coming from the end zone zone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the blocking there you go, there you go right there, yep,
Speaker 1: got and then here you go, that's the Jeffrey step
Speaker 1: right there. He took out Gregory. Well, look and look
Speaker 1: at Heath too. Heath gets caught inside as well or
Speaker 1: on the outside as well. And you know, okay, great job.
Speaker 1: But you saw where Jalen was lined up there for
Speaker 1: the uneducated, uh like me, they're playing the bunch formation.
Speaker 1: It looked like to me. Yeah, right, So he was
Speaker 1: kind of playing in the middle shading over that. On
Speaker 1: the song side, they run crack, they run, they run
Speaker 1: a toss out of that, so you know they tend
Speaker 1: to go to the where they went. And Girly did
Speaker 1: a great job. I mean, he's got vision. If you
Speaker 1: got that big of a hole, if you get the
Speaker 1: safety knocked outside and the linebackers all knocked inside and
Speaker 1: Karen read and all these guys washed, Hell, I'd run
Speaker 1: it there too. You know that place should have never
Speaker 1: taken place. What'd you get, guys? You had the fact
Speaker 1: friar to that book. The b ass almost said it
Speaker 1: should hands to the face on Byron Jones, And I
Speaker 1: didn't realize it until I got finally got a chance
Speaker 1: to look at the coach's film. Yeah, the guy that
Speaker 1: called the penalty was twenty five yards away from the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Yeah, heat threw his flag farther than
Speaker 1: Goff through the incompletion. Now you tell me the guy
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage that was sitting there watching
Speaker 1: that didn't call it. But this guy twenty five yards
Speaker 1: away called it. It was fourth down. Yeah, they'ref the field,
Speaker 1: they're off the field. Yeah, and that's what's sticking in
Speaker 1: that coaching staff's crow right now, there's that penalty. It
Speaker 1: changed the whole complexion of the game. It does, it
Speaker 1: does bother me. And I'm not one that it gets
Speaker 1: on the officiating because I take it all kind of
Speaker 1: evens out. But in this case, in that situation, when
Speaker 1: you're looking at a third and fourteen play, and why
Speaker 1: are you're playing press? Right? Yeah? Well, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. That's that's the other part of it.
Speaker 1: It is sometimes you put you you need to not
Speaker 1: put yourself in position where you can the call can
Speaker 1: go again? How many times this year if we've seen
Speaker 1: that though, yeah they have. You know, it's whether it's
Speaker 1: a Randy Gregory roughing the roughing the past or Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown defensive holding. You know, penalty on that is so punitive,
Speaker 1: you know that, it's huge. That's huge that when you
Speaker 1: when you comes with a first down that in a
Speaker 1: third and fourteen situation, I just think it's got to
Speaker 1: be pretty blatant for it. And it had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the play, right, yeah, well nothing, that's officials.
Speaker 1: They're responsible for watching the players, not the play all
Speaker 1: the time. Guy's got great eyes. Twenty five yards away.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Scott in New Jersey. Next up, I'm
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys. Hello Scott, Hey guys, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 1: The best thing about the season being over. You guys
Speaker 1: are on twelve o'clock. I can listen, see out lunch.
Speaker 1: There we go, first day. Enjoy it good. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you putting me on a couple of things. I just
Speaker 1: want to You're not gonna nothing negget about him, because
Speaker 1: first of all, it was a great year. We remind
Speaker 1: us seven points for a reason. And I kept saying
Speaker 1: that all week. We should have won that, or we
Speaker 1: remind us seven points for reason. We lost by eight.
Speaker 1: So they knew what they were talking about Vegas. They're good,
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. Why they're in bitting this
Speaker 1: right and I'm steam fitting. Um, don't talk about Cooper. Listen,
Speaker 1: if let's say, if we don't get Cooper, would you
Speaker 1: rather be Cooper no first round pick or like three
Speaker 1: and thirteen? We could have went three and thirteen without him. Um,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great pick. Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: a great trade, we got a good quarterback, we we
Speaker 1: got future. We're doing good. Dak Garrett and Lenahan that's
Speaker 1: another thing. Let's stop talking about them, right guys, like
Speaker 1: Brian said, give them another year. If they woke up,
Speaker 1: we got something going on. Sure. You know what if
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones says Garrett and Zak is out our quarterback
Speaker 1: and our coach, that's it. It's over right. He's the guy,
Speaker 1: he's the boss, right, So that's that. I just want
Speaker 1: to say one more thing. You guys are great. I
Speaker 1: listened to you every day every day, and Cowboy Nation
Speaker 1: is young, We're strong, and we won the division. We're
Speaker 1: gonna win it next year. We got a playoff win
Speaker 1: on a young guy's belt, right, I think that's gigantic.
Speaker 1: And next year it's like you guys say, we got
Speaker 1: to get home field advantage. That is everything. All right,
Speaker 1: Thanks for the calling, mister Jones. No Cowboy Nation there
Speaker 1: with Cowboy guys. I'm just kidding you man, Thank you
Speaker 1: for the call, Thank you, thank you, Scott. But you
Speaker 1: know what, every one of those next steps that they
Speaker 1: didn't take only one time did they have home field advantage? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it two years ago with home
Speaker 1: field advantage, and you played, you played a you played,
Speaker 1: you played the rarest of the rare quarterback seven two.
Speaker 1: That's what I was hoping. I was hoping that Dallas
Speaker 1: was going to pull a Green Bay and go and
Speaker 1: find a way to win a game on the road
Speaker 1: like that. You know this year with the divisional game, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the out and you know, make one more play.
Speaker 1: That's the frustrating part, because I think fans watched LA
Speaker 1: towards the end of the season and thought they're a
Speaker 1: little vulnerable offensively, they're not doing what they've been doing.
Speaker 1: Me talk about it, no, I mean, if you watched
Speaker 1: the Cowboys all season, their defense looked like they could
Speaker 1: step up and make it difficult when it off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what's I think confounding and frustrating probably in this
Speaker 1: building right now, is that what their formula didn't work
Speaker 1: and they thought it would and and so that you
Speaker 1: go in the off season with that bitter taste in
Speaker 1: your mouth. Give me my playback, and they would have
Speaker 1: held them to twenty two points. It's no time to
Speaker 1: gloat now, Mickey, I just said, I'm not gloating. I'm
Speaker 1: just pointing it out now. That made a big difference
Speaker 1: in your in your view of what they did defensively,
Speaker 1: and what they could have done. They gave up two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three rushing out that got it that
Speaker 1: you know what? Anyone lost by how much? Eight eight points?
Speaker 1: M m yeah, And they were down fifteen if they
Speaker 1: if they a few minutes ago, and they and they
Speaker 1: had an opportunity on third and seven to get the
Speaker 1: ball back and go down and hie up. Jeff We
Speaker 1: watched that one back yesterday, oh, Jeffy. So as bad
Speaker 1: as they played defensively, they were still in the ball game.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that they you know, didn't show up.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I mean you said that I did.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't think they played obviously, they didn't
Speaker 1: play with the damn. I mean they've been playing well
Speaker 1: all year. The owners said they didn't get any traction
Speaker 1: literally little We talked about that a little bit about
Speaker 1: nighttime games there at the LA Coliseum. It was yeah,
Speaker 1: but they wore they wore longer cleats than normal bucking
Speaker 1: them do their job. They buy, they knew what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and they normally were a half Yeah. Yeah. Um. We
Speaker 1: didn't talk about the reports coming out after the game
Speaker 1: from the offensive lineman for the Rams talking about great scouting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great scouting. That's what you do. Do you have a week,
Speaker 1: think about this, guys, extra week, think about this extra week?
Speaker 1: But who think about who they're gonna play. They're either
Speaker 1: gonna play Us or Seattle, who they played twice a year.
Speaker 1: Who are you going to prepare for? Well, who are
Speaker 1: you gonna prepare for? That? Actually would have played then Seattle?
Speaker 1: Right yeah, Saints, Saints played Philly, was the last seed?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, it was us. It
Speaker 1: was us, or it was gonna be us, or they
Speaker 1: didn't have to prepare extra for Seattle at all the
Speaker 1: all the well, they could have played the Bears, they
Speaker 1: could have played you know on that Sunday watching Philly
Speaker 1: and Chicago, right right, But yeah, they were playing either
Speaker 1: Chicago or Dallas. Yes, right, But I see your point.
Speaker 1: I mean they Seattle, they know Seattle. Yeah, that's my point.
Speaker 1: You never heard they already played Chicago too, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they played but they play him twice a year. But
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying last month, they sure to your point, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've already played exactly the extra preparation they needed to
Speaker 1: do on Dallas because they had they didn't have they
Speaker 1: didn't They played Dallas last year Week three? How many?
Speaker 1: How many times we heard, oh, Sean Lee knew what
Speaker 1: they were doing, they were stealing our signal. No, Shaun
Speaker 1: Lee studied film. That's all you gotta do, a study film.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who I was standing next to. I
Speaker 1: was watching the Redskins play and it was somebody in
Speaker 1: the scouting department and basically told me what play was
Speaker 1: coming up by how they lined up was exactly right.
Speaker 1: Freaked times in a row. It's like, how do you
Speaker 1: know that? Well? I can tell how his hands on
Speaker 1: the grind rock back in his stance. They get and
Speaker 1: what do they do? They could they get three? They
Speaker 1: put they put Lawrence Crawford and Collins on one side.
Speaker 1: What do they usually run? Run a twist out of
Speaker 1: that stunt. That's what they use. Look, they usually run
Speaker 1: a twist. What did they do in that game? In
Speaker 1: that game? We talked about this. In that game, they said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our four block your three, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna let like Mickey said, We're gonna let We're gonna
Speaker 1: let the right tackle. We're take Randy Gregory one on one.
Speaker 1: It's just that that's their That was their answer. It's
Speaker 1: just like when Romo predicts play in the game. DeMarcus
Speaker 1: ware we had him up for a preseason game, a
Speaker 1: preseason game, and he's basically predicting what's going to happen
Speaker 1: on the child. He was like, wow, this is great
Speaker 1: from this angle up here. Fans they think, all right, Rob,
Speaker 1: we're I'm standing there several years ago and at training camp.
Speaker 1: Would that win? Yeah? And that win told me what
Speaker 1: was going to happen before it happened each time. That's
Speaker 1: the basics of scouting again an opponent, that's what you
Speaker 1: You spend all week in a normal week. And they
Speaker 1: and they, as Brian pointed out, they had two weeks
Speaker 1: to prepare for Dallas. That no one brags about that
Speaker 1: when they lose, by the way, right, Oh we knew
Speaker 1: it was coming. Oh well, why didn't you stop it? Seattle?
Speaker 1: We stole we stole your signs. Yeah, sorry, you lost
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Bye bye bye. You know I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear any signs after that. Hell they took bye.
Speaker 1: You know. It's amazing, it is. But when you win,
Speaker 1: you earn the right. Oh no, you get you get
Speaker 1: the right to beat your chest and beat up on
Speaker 1: people and everybody believes you. Yeah, that's right, Well, that's
Speaker 1: good luck. I hope the Saints just mall you. I'm
Speaker 1: pulling for Sean Payton this game. I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: Sean mcvagh. Okay, great, like that smug mo right face.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. You as a coach, you want
Speaker 1: your your players to think that, I really do. You
Speaker 1: want your players to think they've got the upper hand,
Speaker 1: that they were sure you do, Sure you do. He's
Speaker 1: the difference. Make Let me tell you what. That's what.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Let me tell you what, mister McVeigh,
Speaker 1: that coach across the field is is pretty crazy. He
Speaker 1: is gonna find a way to he's gonna turn this
Speaker 1: into a game that you're not gonna like it. He's
Speaker 1: a great coach. He is a great coach. They had
Speaker 1: the star wars this offense, right, and they threw for
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty six yards. Again, maybe they ran
Speaker 1: for two seventy one. Yea, they didn't have to Why
Speaker 1: why I could have called players offense right? All you
Speaker 1: needed to do is figure out how high on the football.
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping that Zeke was gonna run
Speaker 1: for two hundred and seventy three yards in this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they didn't. They played great run defense, though, give yeah,
Speaker 1: give the Rams a lot of choys in contrast the
Speaker 1: way they pay. As Zeke said, all y'all asked me
Speaker 1: about was the five point one yards per carry. And
Speaker 1: I told you, guys, none of that s matters anymore.
Speaker 1: It's the playoffs. Like he knew what they were up against.
Speaker 1: No getting getting hitting. You're right, Zeke, You're right that man,
Speaker 1: he's right. Maybe she's doing this show. I should be
Speaker 1: toting the ball. No, no, no, no, no, bad, We've
Speaker 1: got it. I think we got it right. We got
Speaker 1: that one right. They should have just thrown the ball
Speaker 1: every play the Cowboys. Yeah, did you see how far
Speaker 1: back their defense was playing? Yeah, that was That's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing. But and and you know, maybe maybe if
Speaker 1: you want to be critical, maybe you say, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: because your left guard was actually holding up you know,
Speaker 1: your left guard wouldn't killing you in the game. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's what you're worried about. You're
Speaker 1: worried about the pass protection, Am I wrong? No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But the fact that they stayed in base Michael Gallups
Speaker 1: plays that he made were a product of that. They
Speaker 1: were able to hit some plays in the passing game
Speaker 1: because they had more big plays than the Rams did. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the longest pass I was twenty one yards. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had like six I think more than twenty yards
Speaker 1: like Cowboys did. They only had three. You know, the
Speaker 1: issues that the Rams were having all season, We're getting
Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback at the exception of Donald and
Speaker 1: his twenty and a half sacks, and that's why they
Speaker 1: made the move to get Dante Fowler at mid season. Right,
Speaker 1: Hockett was pretty clean for Dak Overall, I felt like
Speaker 1: in the game, I mean to some degree, you know, yeah, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: they in the grass call. But Mickey might be onto something.
Speaker 1: But overall I thought it was okay. There was one
Speaker 1: play the free safety was thirty yards behind this line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and it was backing up, so Edred used
Speaker 1: to play. They just they just sold out to stop
Speaker 1: the run. They just you know it, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe Mickey should be the OC. I just lit it up.
Speaker 1: Mickey light them up. As Aikman pointed out on one
Speaker 1: of the play one play um which was the one
Speaker 1: play where he was really critical of dak Um. He prior,
Speaker 1: you know, prior to the snap, he was sitting, look
Speaker 1: at these corners, they're ten yards off and uh. And
Speaker 1: then it was the pass. It was an errant pass
Speaker 1: and on a like a I don't know where it
Speaker 1: was going. I can't remember, but anyway, but but my
Speaker 1: point is Troy said, well, there were four guys open
Speaker 1: on the play, so m but there were too many
Speaker 1: times when he hit his back foot, the receivers were
Speaker 1: still with their backs to him running routes and he
Speaker 1: got forced to dump it underneath. But they were playing off.
Speaker 1: That was like they were running right into their defense.
Speaker 1: M all right, we're going to continue to play him
Speaker 1: next year, Mickey, we'll get We'll give it a go.
Speaker 1: Then it's gonna be here. By golly, you go in
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Speaker 1: Mobile in that area down there. So there you go.
Speaker 1: I've done that and then they're done that. Don't need
Speaker 1: to do it again with the drive. And if you
Speaker 1: drove to Atlanta, you know you go through if you
Speaker 1: don't stop at the Senior Bowl, you go through Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 1: You go to Dreamland Barbecue. Dream Land Barbecue absolutely and
Speaker 1: there you go. Bill Alladega's right on the way too.
Speaker 1: Folks are sick of our travel schedules. All right, um,
Speaker 1: off season priority? Yeah, throughout the first priority I've asked fans,
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier in the show, all right,
Speaker 1: going forward, what are the top priorities this offseason for
Speaker 1: this team? Lawrence got to be Lawrence, doesn't it? Lawrence
Speaker 1: one on the list? Yeah, I think that. I think
Speaker 1: you look at that and then you say, okay, now,
Speaker 1: the next focus would be do you do you try
Speaker 1: and do you try and extend Byron Jones? I think
Speaker 1: you try to work on the two contracts that are
Speaker 1: in their last year that are exorbitant, Cooper Cooper and
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. Byron Jones, We've got both of them. Byron
Speaker 1: Jones is like nine million. They picked up the fifth
Speaker 1: year option, right I remember correctly, And Cooper's is fourteen million.
Speaker 1: If you redo those, you create cap space. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got Sean Lee on the books for seven million. That
Speaker 1: will change, That will change. Yeah, okay, so yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: What about Alan Hearns though, too, that's another one that's
Speaker 1: a team option, right, Yeah, And there's a couple of
Speaker 1: different things there that have to that will make the
Speaker 1: contract like more than it really looks like. I think
Speaker 1: if they pick up the option exactly, you're right about that,
Speaker 1: and so if you want him back, you probably do
Speaker 1: something there. Yeah, I think Mickey's right about Okay, give
Speaker 1: me the priority on Cooper or Byron Jones. What's the
Speaker 1: bigger No, No, Mickey said both, and I think Mickey's
Speaker 1: absolutely right. What's the bigger Cooper? Cooper's fourteen? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: thirteen nine two four. You're right about that. I'll go
Speaker 1: Cooper there. In addition to the fact that Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is six two right, you traded your first for Cooper. Yeah, question,
Speaker 1: he's part of your long term plans. I think Byron
Speaker 1: is too, but factor in that with the number on
Speaker 1: the on the cap, I'd give me Cooper first to
Speaker 1: look at along with DeMarcus. And I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that one's gonna play out either, but
Speaker 1: I think you got to find a way figure it
Speaker 1: out because they're killing me. My Earl Thomas thoughts why
Speaker 1: they're killing me, I don't. I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: be like Gerald Thomas. I don't think so. I'd love
Speaker 1: to have Earld Thomas playing safety here. For a couple
Speaker 1: of years. I'd love it. Steveton was asked yesterday he's
Speaker 1: not gonna do you see yourself, you know, signing impact
Speaker 1: free agents, and he reiterated what he always says, his
Speaker 1: own guys, that's what we focus on and hitting on
Speaker 1: the draft, and we've got young players that need to improve.
Speaker 1: They he just doesn't see it. He didn't say specific names.
Speaker 1: If they were gonna get him, it was gonna be
Speaker 1: for that trade. The best shot they had was on
Speaker 1: draft night, on the second round, and when that didn't materialize,
Speaker 1: it was over. In my opinion, it was they just
Speaker 1: have a lot of their own guys that they need
Speaker 1: to take care of within the next year. Yea, So
Speaker 1: it's the right way to do it too. What positions
Speaker 1: you looking at, guys? What positions you looking at? If
Speaker 1: we if you okay, if you say you do sign
Speaker 1: Lawrence and you get you get uh Cooper done, say,
Speaker 1: like Mickey wants to, are you gonna have to look
Speaker 1: at cornerbacks because I mean, you know, if you think
Speaker 1: about Byron Jones long term, I mean, if you're not
Speaker 1: gonna do that right or you're gonna you you're comfortable
Speaker 1: playing with with the Woozier and Lewis and Brown. And
Speaker 1: then the other thing I think you look at two
Speaker 1: is where are like for Anthony Brown? He is East
Speaker 1: free after next year, right, and so you look at
Speaker 1: where you are if guys going into their last year. Right,
Speaker 1: It's what Rob was talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: whole secondary's up after nineteen just about I suffered George Well,
Speaker 1: not everybody, Jordan Lewis, Xavier Woods, Cheeto, but Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: Cavon Frazier, Jeff Heath, Byron Jones. Brown next year is
Speaker 1: his fourth year. Yeah, yeah, so he doesn't doesn't have
Speaker 1: a restricted year. No, See, that's that's I mean. I
Speaker 1: was thinking, if you're talking about draft, which I you know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I gotta we gotta show for that.
Speaker 1: But if you were looking at positions, where would you start?
Speaker 1: Is it a tight end? Running back? We talked to safety,
Speaker 1: offensive line line tackles. Convinced that Travis Frederick is okay,
Speaker 1: you don't need a center. It sounds like Joe Looney's
Speaker 1: coming back, right, Joe Looney's under contract another day. Would
Speaker 1: Joe be in my backup absolutely, my backup backup guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Wide receiver could be a sneaky one because you got
Speaker 1: Tavon and Cole up. Yeah, I think I think we're
Speaker 1: sleeping on Cedric Wilson though a little bit. Guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but do you have a slot guy, you know Mary Cooper? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I mean, I mean, maybe play him a
Speaker 1: little bit in there. It sounds for sure again he's
Speaker 1: done the changeable parts there. Yeah. Maybe if you bring
Speaker 1: Hern's back for another campaign, you can play every position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want another defensive lineman that I can groom. Ah,
Speaker 1: I was thinking more of that shorter. Are you more
Speaker 1: worried about more worried about Human log or Collins going forward?
Speaker 1: Collins's going into his last year, isn't he in the Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now he's through nineteen. He's He's I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: right he is. Yeah, he is going too. He's a
Speaker 1: pretty good three technique. Yeah, when he's healthy. Rights one
Speaker 1: would human Human Logs exclusive rights fore agent after nineteen.
Speaker 1: So you gotta have to worry about a couple of years.
Speaker 1: And then you got to figure out Crawford. What what
Speaker 1: is he? Do you want him inside? Do you want
Speaker 1: to want him outside? Game? If I want him outside
Speaker 1: and I tell you what. Another guy that didn't really
Speaker 1: take a step forward in that game was Tacco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a wash. You know what, I think tight
Speaker 1: end is a priority. Yeah, I've got a tied end
Speaker 1: for you to take a look at. Well, you won't
Speaker 1: be at the Senior Bowl. You got Cayden Smith, Oh, Stanford, Sanford,
Speaker 1: another Stanford tight Endower Mound Marcus. You gotta tie you
Speaker 1: gotta tight ends. Coach whose son is the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: at Flower Mount Marcus? Yeah, Doug nust Meyer, gotta go
Speaker 1: with I'll go with Cayden Smith. I don't know what round.
Speaker 1: I haven't projected a round for Caden Smith yet, but
Speaker 1: take a look at him. Is that because is that
Speaker 1: Flower Mount Marcus? Is that what you're saying? He's from
Speaker 1: Flower Mault Marcus. But he's a he's a good player. Mickey,
Speaker 1: wh's the last? James Hannah, Nikki, what's your guy's name? Pronounced?
Speaker 1: The guy's name at Missouri? Albert okwombo nam Albert Oh,
Speaker 1: Albert Oh Yeah, six four two sixty four four seven
Speaker 1: six tight end from Missouri. This guy's this guy. I
Speaker 1: couldn't pronounce his name, but Albert Oh is a damn
Speaker 1: good tight end. I like him. I like this. This
Speaker 1: he's and he's not like one of these little skinny guys. Now,
Speaker 1: he's a big he's a big guy. He's a tight end. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox is another guy from Oldman. I'm just giving
Speaker 1: your names at tight ends I've seen so far. You
Speaker 1: would have to thank you. I appreciate that you would
Speaker 1: have to take him in the second Dawson, are you
Speaker 1: Albert we gotta pick, gotta pick at fifty eight, right, Rob, Yes, Sir.
Speaker 1: Josh Oliver from San Jose States another one. I've looked
Speaker 1: at Man. There's some tight ends in this strap. Mitchell
Speaker 1: Wilcox at South Florida. And then if you look at
Speaker 1: Dane Burgler's list his top fifty, twenty four and twenty five,
Speaker 1: or the Iowa tight ends actually twenty four, Hawkins, Hockinson
Speaker 1: and then fant there's some tight ends, folks, if you
Speaker 1: want to if you want to go get one, if
Speaker 1: you want to go get one, there's there's availability there
Speaker 1: at the second round. I know if Mickey wants to
Speaker 1: do that, right tend you to help out your quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm doing anything I can to help the quarterback. Jeff
Speaker 1: Swam as a free agent. Yeah to b Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's definitely one of note. No question, what's the most
Speaker 1: important there? You go look at this. I think it
Speaker 1: can't coming up a study the Garrison. Cayden Smith's on
Speaker 1: my list. Yeah, I haven't seen that. Caleb Wilson NFL.
Speaker 1: I guess top one hundred. I don't know guys would
Speaker 1: be on there. Yeah according to CBS, Yeah, we need
Speaker 1: to kind of we need to look at Yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to see that that Caleb Wilson guy though I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him yet. Kind of going through on Albert, Oh,
Speaker 1: wouldn't one. He's good though, Mickey, that guy's a good player.
Speaker 1: Alberto is a good player from Missouri. I did a
Speaker 1: story on Cayden Smith when he was a junior or
Speaker 1: senior in high school. He won a contest. It was
Speaker 1: after Odell Beckham made his one handed catch against a
Speaker 1: back flipping catch one there was there was a one
Speaker 1: hand catch competition in the spring that following spring, and
Speaker 1: Caden Smith won the national competitions. I went out and
Speaker 1: did a story and we caught footballs one handed together.
Speaker 1: How high would you draft a running together? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: showed him. I showed him how high. How high would
Speaker 1: you draft a running back? Not before the third or
Speaker 1: fourth round? Probably the fourth round on third if I
Speaker 1: like him the third I like him, yeah, I mean second.
Speaker 1: I mean it all depends on what your roster looks
Speaker 1: like by then. But I think you've got other names.
Speaker 1: I look at him. I look at it this one.
Speaker 1: You know, when did levy On Bell come out? He
Speaker 1: was a second round pick? Okay, the same year that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys drafted Gavin Escobar. Yeah, okay, And at that
Speaker 1: point DeMarco Murray was so the year away from being
Speaker 1: a free agent. I can't remember these specifics on it,
Speaker 1: but I would look back. You look back at it
Speaker 1: and go, if we weren't sitting there having to get
Speaker 1: a tight end, you know, and fallen in love with
Speaker 1: a position, we would have just taken the running back.
Speaker 1: We would have had Levon Bell the year before DeMarco
Speaker 1: Murray became a free agent. But I think you have
Speaker 1: to look at it that don't pass on talent or
Speaker 1: a position. Smith. Absolutely, Bill, he's a free agent. He's
Speaker 1: free agent. Yeah, there you go. But I do, and
Speaker 1: you look, you need some insurance for your best player.
Speaker 1: I get it, but I do look at it a
Speaker 1: little bit like when Witten was here. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you need another running back. But how often is
Speaker 1: Zeke off the field? You know? I think that there's
Speaker 1: other pressing. We were trying to extend his career. Are
Speaker 1: we just gonna rush? I don't want to know. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to ask you. I'm not trying to be I
Speaker 1: don't want to trying to be round, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, are we trying to extend him to where
Speaker 1: if you don't have Tavon and you don't have Beasley,
Speaker 1: then who's given me that juice inside? In Nickel's situations,
Speaker 1: I wish I could draft you this this Devin's singletary
Speaker 1: from Florida Atlantic Mickey. That's why I brought up a
Speaker 1: slot receiver. Yeah, or somebody like versatile guy, jack of
Speaker 1: all trades. I think you can go across the board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me the best players because they can use the defense.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, you're okay, I like this. I like
Speaker 1: where you guys are going here because you're saying, if
Speaker 1: whatever they gets to their pick, whoever, the best guy
Speaker 1: regardless of position, regardless of position. What I'm saying need
Speaker 1: always factors in a little bit. Oh, it's like regardless
Speaker 1: of position with need that coaches will tell you over
Speaker 1: my years now of doing this. Yeah, fit, I mean
Speaker 1: it's a system too. Best available always sounds great, but
Speaker 1: you always have to have a reason why. There's always
Speaker 1: good value at the bottom of those boards though. Every draft.
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming's up. Yes, yeah, got away with one there
Speaker 1: by the way, he played two games and you got
Speaker 1: away with it. Got two victories there. I know, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you're not bringing camp flaming back, Mickey.
Speaker 1: I gotta look at what's available. There's never anything available
Speaker 1: at tackle. Oh, he's not wrong, he's not wrong. It's
Speaker 1: another one. There's another attive round pick. Actually, drafts got
Speaker 1: some good tackles, a lot better than had the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. A guy DeMarcus Christmas from Florida State.
Speaker 1: Just so we have another DeMarcus in. His last name
Speaker 1: is Chris. You're looking at a bunch of defensive tackles there.
Speaker 1: Those are all we're talking about offensive tack Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that that whole group right there. That Gary Kidd from
Speaker 1: from Michigan, he's really good. There's a bunch of first
Speaker 1: round guys right up there, all the way down to
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I think he's going all the way
Speaker 1: down to since a after pass Wilkins. All those guys
Speaker 1: I think would be considered first round guys. Wow on
Speaker 1: that board, deep group, and you start your list with
Speaker 1: number fifty five on yeah yeah, Hey, hey, the one
Speaker 1: it's funny. The one guy that CBS doesn't have up
Speaker 1: there is that Quinnon Williams. I didn't see him up there.
Speaker 1: He's playing might be the best player in the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do the draft show here.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about look names. It's never too early. Now, Hey,
Speaker 1: we all want something. We're here. In fact, you've motivated me.
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