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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Head hours at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brats,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. We are now in full

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Speaker 1: offseason mode here at the Star in Frisco. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of Talking Cowboys as we wrap up two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen look ahead to two thousand nineteen. Bill

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Speaker 1: Jones along with Mickey Spagnola. Salute again, Mickey, Are you

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Speaker 1: good to be with here watching on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: The salute salutations from Mickey. We've got Rob Phillips and

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Speaker 1: we've got Brian brought us hard at work with a

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Speaker 1: laptop computer. It's this time of year you have to

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Speaker 1: know numbers. Yeah, you know, people ask who gets cut,

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Speaker 1: who's under contract? Why. I've got to the point I

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Speaker 1: can't remember who is under contract and who's not under contract.

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Speaker 1: Did that dirty work yesterday and put it in my

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Speaker 1: brand new blue notebook for two nineteen starting up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually just printed out same as a draft book, as

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Speaker 1: it's easier. It's I got a blue book, my blue

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Speaker 1: book or the Cowboys in the NFL, and my green

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Speaker 1: book is for the draft. The draft. This sheet, this

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Speaker 1: sheet is in every press media guide for every game,

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Speaker 1: and you don't really look at it until this week.

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Speaker 1: You know, you really just worry about it. The release,

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Speaker 1: season release, every week, season contracts. It's time to talk

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Speaker 1: about it, right, It's never changes from the first week

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Speaker 1: to the last week. That's something you need to have though.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, because you can make some errors whenever

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Speaker 1: you one wrong all wrong with that PR department, But

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Speaker 1: you you can make errors when you are taking it

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Speaker 1: from your laptop and putting it into a notebook. Wise,

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Speaker 1: that's what I did. Yet I was like, why did

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Speaker 1: I put Byron Jones down as a free agent when

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Speaker 1: they picked up his fifth year option, and so I

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Speaker 1: dawned on me this morning. Wait a second, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's why to me, this is one of the most

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Speaker 1: intriguing offseasons coming up that they've had in a while, because, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've got some guys out of contract, and Marcus Lawrence

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Speaker 1: all right, what do they do with his deal? When

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Speaker 1: does that deal get done? And it's it's not just Dak,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's Zeke, it's Byron Jones, it's Amari Cooper. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They got to figure out what they're gonna do with

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Speaker 1: be and how to make it all work. Jerry was

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Speaker 1: talking about that on the fan this this morning, you know, said, hell,

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Speaker 1: I want a bigger boat, you know, but how do

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Speaker 1: you how do you make it all work under the cat? Yep?

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Speaker 1: So what are you noticing on that? No? I was

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Speaker 1: just looking at numbers. I was just looking at you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just like to have names in front

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Speaker 1: of me and I you know, and you when you're

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Speaker 1: looking at your team, you have to think about again.

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of us has to do

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Speaker 1: with you know, what happens with Lawrence, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean I I if they don't get a deal, do

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Speaker 1: you use to use the franchise tag again on him? Now?

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Speaker 1: Do you have some hard feelings? You know? All these

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Speaker 1: if you don't if you don't sign him, do you

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Speaker 1: things you have to think about, the dominoes that all

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Speaker 1: kind of fall into place. I think there's some guys

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Speaker 1: should not. They don't dump out him? Comes out to money, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it comes down to money. But you're talking

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Have a good year. All right. We

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Speaker 1: had the season ending press conference from Jason Garrett yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Jason, I don't know that he

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Speaker 1: taping the Jason Garrett Show yesterday afternoon, and originally we

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Speaker 1: into a staff meeting, yeah, immediately, So on that subject,

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, no status of the coaching staff

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Speaker 1: Monday afternoon. M kind of in line with what Stephen

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Speaker 1: So there's no record. Yeah. I thought that was twenty

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Speaker 1: I would imagine, you know, kind of things are are

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Speaker 1: kind of open. He seemed pleased with the direction they went,

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Speaker 1: think we've pointed out before. He kind of I don't

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Speaker 1: kind of said Tom Landry wouldn't have been Tom Landry

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Speaker 1: had the Cowboys not given him a chance to continue on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think people have more problems with Scott Linahan than

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Speaker 1: they do Jason Garrett. It was funny you mentioned that

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Speaker 1: Kent Garrison, who's taking your phone calls here? You can

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Speaker 1: we I guess we can throw out this question, Mike question.

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Speaker 1: business for the Cowboys this offseason? And asked who? Just

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Speaker 1: these were just they were people people, Yeah, Oh okay, yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: your first dandy? Not dandy? Now, what's your first order

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Speaker 1: one of them said, uh, play caller, his first order

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Speaker 1: further head coach. Well, and they're looking at the four

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Speaker 1: teams remaining in the playoffs. Sure, they're all the highest

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Speaker 1: Mickey talks about execution and things like that. I'm I

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Speaker 1: tweeted it out this morning. I'm all for bringing all

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Speaker 1: making them all coach for their jobs is what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not going to extend Jason Garrett. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna make this staff coach as a group and and

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Speaker 1: you get into divisional playoffs again, you know, by all means,

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Speaker 1: I'll find a way to reward you. Or if you

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Speaker 1: want to stay, but I I you know, to to

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Speaker 1: sit there and say, okay, well we're going to extend

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Speaker 1: if I'm Jerry Jones, I'm telling Jason Garrett you're calling

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Speaker 1: some of these coordinators they're talking about right now, I'm

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Speaker 1: just not okay, So fire the coordinator. Who are you hiring?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, That's that's why. No, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Next questions, exactly you could hate Scott Linahan all you want,

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Speaker 1: but tell me who. And Mickey it drives me nuts

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Speaker 1: when he uses this, but in this time it applies.

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Speaker 1: He's absolutely Look what all these other teams are doing,

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Speaker 1: guys they're hiring as coordinator. Experiously, if you if you

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Speaker 1: turns out to be a Now what have you accomplished?

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Speaker 1: And you want to and you want to get rid

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that Todd Gurley touchdown run um and can

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Speaker 1: I say this before you say yes? In fact, there

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Speaker 1: there we go right there as you were. If you're

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Speaker 1: a great job, Yes, Garrison has it called up for us.

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Speaker 1: Look where Jalen Smith is is lined up. He was

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Speaker 1: basically over the tight end Higbee. Yeah all right, and

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Speaker 1: then there's the cutback by Gurley. Happened to vander esh

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Speaker 1: on that play? Yeah, he was in the middle of

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Speaker 1: They got washed. I mean, they just completely got washed.

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Speaker 1: To see what happens to Karen Reid. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: he gets knocked on the ground. Did they run the trap?

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Speaker 1: But you're talking, but you're talking about lining into the

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Speaker 1: second level? Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's a replay here

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Speaker 1: of it. Okay, Yeah, we got another Kent doing a

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Speaker 1: great job of producing on the fly. Here if you're

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Speaker 1: watching long, Ken has got up the replay of the

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Speaker 1: Gurly touch here coming from the end zone zone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the blocking there you go, there you go right there, yep,

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Speaker 1: got and then here you go, that's the Jeffrey step

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Speaker 1: right there. He took out Gregory. Well, look and look

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Speaker 1: at Heath too. Heath gets caught inside as well or

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Speaker 1: on the outside as well. And you know, okay, great job.

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Speaker 1: But you saw where Jalen was lined up there for

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Speaker 1: the uneducated, uh like me, they're playing the bunch formation.

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Speaker 1: It looked like to me. Yeah, right, So he was

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Speaker 1: kind of playing in the middle shading over that. On

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Speaker 1: the song side, they run crack, they run, they run

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Speaker 1: a toss out of that, so you know they tend

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Speaker 1: to go to the where they went. And Girly did

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Speaker 1: a great job. I mean, he's got vision. If you

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00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: got that big of a hole, if you get the

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Speaker 1: safety knocked outside and the linebackers all knocked inside and

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Speaker 1: Karen read and all these guys washed, Hell, I'd run

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Speaker 1: it there too. You know that place should have never

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Speaker 1: taken place. What'd you get, guys? You had the fact

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Speaker 1: friar to that book. The b ass almost said it

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Speaker 1: should hands to the face on Byron Jones, And I

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Speaker 1: didn't realize it until I got finally got a chance

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Speaker 1: to look at the coach's film. Yeah, the guy that

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Speaker 1: called the penalty was twenty five yards away from the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Yeah, heat threw his flag farther than

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Speaker 1: Goff through the incompletion. Now you tell me the guy

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Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage that was sitting there watching

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Speaker 1: that didn't call it. But this guy twenty five yards

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Speaker 1: away called it. It was fourth down. Yeah, they'ref the field,

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Speaker 1: they're off the field. Yeah, and that's what's sticking in

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Speaker 1: that coaching staff's crow right now, there's that penalty. It

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Speaker 1: changed the whole complexion of the game. It does, it

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Speaker 1: does bother me. And I'm not one that it gets

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Speaker 1: on the officiating because I take it all kind of

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Speaker 1: evens out. But in this case, in that situation, when

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Speaker 1: you're looking at a third and fourteen play, and why

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Speaker 1: are you're playing press? Right? Yeah? Well, yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a good question. That's that's the other part of it.

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Speaker 1: It is sometimes you put you you need to not

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Speaker 1: put yourself in position where you can the call can

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Speaker 1: go again? How many times this year if we've seen

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Speaker 1: that though, yeah they have. You know, it's whether it's

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Speaker 1: a Randy Gregory roughing the roughing the past or Anthony

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Speaker 1: Brown defensive holding. You know, penalty on that is so punitive,

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Speaker 1: you know that, it's huge. That's huge that when you

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Speaker 1: when you comes with a first down that in a

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Speaker 1: third and fourteen situation, I just think it's got to

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Speaker 1: be pretty blatant for it. And it had nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with the play, right, yeah, well nothing, that's officials.

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Speaker 1: They're responsible for watching the players, not the play all

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Speaker 1: the time. Guy's got great eyes. Twenty five yards away.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Scott in New Jersey. Next up, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking Cowboys. Hello Scott, Hey guys, what's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: The best thing about the season being over. You guys

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Speaker 1: are on twelve o'clock. I can listen, see out lunch.

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Speaker 1: There we go, first day. Enjoy it good. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you putting me on a couple of things. I just

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Speaker 1: want to You're not gonna nothing negget about him, because

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Speaker 1: first of all, it was a great year. We remind

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Speaker 1: us seven points for a reason. And I kept saying

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Speaker 1: that all week. We should have won that, or we

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Speaker 1: remind us seven points for reason. We lost by eight.

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Speaker 1: So they knew what they were talking about Vegas. They're good,

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Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. Why they're in bitting this

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Speaker 1: right and I'm steam fitting. Um, don't talk about Cooper. Listen,

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Speaker 1: if let's say, if we don't get Cooper, would you

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Speaker 1: rather be Cooper no first round pick or like three

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Speaker 1: and thirteen? We could have went three and thirteen without him. Um,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a great pick. Yeah, we got

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Speaker 1: a great trade, we got a good quarterback, we we

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Speaker 1: got future. We're doing good. Dak Garrett and Lenahan that's

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Speaker 1: another thing. Let's stop talking about them, right guys, like

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Speaker 1: Brian said, give them another year. If they woke up,

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Speaker 1: we got something going on. Sure. You know what if

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones says Garrett and Zak is out our quarterback

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Speaker 1: and our coach, that's it. It's over right. He's the guy,

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00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: he's the boss, right, So that's that. I just want

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Speaker 1: to say one more thing. You guys are great. I

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Speaker 1: listened to you every day every day, and Cowboy Nation

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Speaker 1: is young, We're strong, and we won the division. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna win it next year. We got a playoff win

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Speaker 1: on a young guy's belt, right, I think that's gigantic.

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Speaker 1: And next year it's like you guys say, we got

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Speaker 1: to get home field advantage. That is everything. All right,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the calling, mister Jones. No Cowboy Nation there

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Speaker 1: with Cowboy guys. I'm just kidding you man, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for the call, Thank you, thank you, Scott. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, every one of those next steps that they

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Speaker 1: didn't take only one time did they have home field advantage? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it two years ago with home

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Speaker 1: field advantage, and you played, you played a you played,

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Speaker 1: you played the rarest of the rare quarterback seven two.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was hoping. I was hoping that Dallas

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Speaker 1: was going to pull a Green Bay and go and

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Speaker 1: find a way to win a game on the road

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Speaker 1: like that. You know this year with the divisional game, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's the out and you know, make one more play.

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Speaker 1: That's the frustrating part, because I think fans watched LA

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Speaker 1: towards the end of the season and thought they're a

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Speaker 1: little vulnerable offensively, they're not doing what they've been doing.

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Speaker 1: Me talk about it, no, I mean, if you watched

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys all season, their defense looked like they could

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Speaker 1: step up and make it difficult when it off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what's I think confounding and frustrating probably in this

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Speaker 1: building right now, is that what their formula didn't work

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Speaker 1: and they thought it would and and so that you

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Speaker 1: your mouth. Give me my playback, and they would have

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Speaker 1: held them to twenty two points. It's no time to

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Speaker 1: gloat now, Mickey, I just said, I'm not gloating. I'm

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Speaker 1: just pointing it out now. That made a big difference

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Speaker 1: in your in your view of what they did defensively,

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Speaker 1: and what they could have done. They gave up two

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three rushing out that got it that

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Speaker 1: you know what? Anyone lost by how much? Eight eight points?

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Speaker 1: M m yeah, And they were down fifteen if they

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Speaker 1: I didn't say that they you know, didn't show up.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I mean you said that I did.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't think they played obviously, they didn't

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Speaker 1: all year. The owners said they didn't get any traction

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Speaker 1: literally little We talked about that a little bit about

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Speaker 1: great scouting. That's what you do. Do you have a week,

636
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Speaker 1: think about this, guys, extra week, think about this extra week?

637
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Speaker 1: But who think about who they're gonna play. They're either

638
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639
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Speaker 1: Who are you going to prepare for? Well, who are

640
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Speaker 1: you gonna prepare for? That? Actually would have played then Seattle?

641
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Speaker 1: Right yeah, Saints, Saints played Philly, was the last seed?

642
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, it was us. It

643
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Speaker 1: was us, or it was gonna be us, or they

644
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Speaker 1: didn't have to prepare extra for Seattle at all the

645
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Speaker 1: all the well, they could have played the Bears, they

646
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Speaker 1: could have played you know on that Sunday watching Philly

647
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Speaker 1: and Chicago, right right, But yeah, they were playing either

648
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Speaker 1: Chicago or Dallas. Yes, right, But I see your point.

649
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Speaker 1: I mean they Seattle, they know Seattle. Yeah, that's my point.

650
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Speaker 1: You never heard they already played Chicago too, Yeah, but

651
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Speaker 1: they played but they play him twice a year. But

652
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Speaker 1: but what I'm saying last month, they sure to your point, Yeah,

653
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Speaker 1: they've already played exactly the extra preparation they needed to

654
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Speaker 1: do on Dallas because they had they didn't have they

655
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Speaker 1: didn't They played Dallas last year Week three? How many?

656
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Speaker 1: How many times we heard, oh, Sean Lee knew what

657
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Speaker 1: they were doing, they were stealing our signal. No, Shaun

658
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Speaker 1: Lee studied film. That's all you gotta do, a study film.

659
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Speaker 1: I can't remember who I was standing next to. I

660
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: was watching the Redskins play and it was somebody in

661
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Speaker 1: the scouting department and basically told me what play was

662
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Speaker 1: coming up by how they lined up was exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Freaked times in a row. It's like, how do you

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Speaker 1: what do they do? They could they get three? They

667
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Speaker 1: put they put Lawrence Crawford and Collins on one side.

668
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Speaker 1: What do they usually run? Run a twist out of

669
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Speaker 1: that stunt. That's what they use. Look, they usually run

670
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Speaker 1: a twist. What did they do in that game? In

671
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Speaker 1: that game? We talked about this. In that game, they said, Okay,

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673
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674
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Speaker 1: It's just that that's their That was their answer. It's

676
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Speaker 1: just like when Romo predicts play in the game. DeMarcus

677
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678
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Speaker 1: preseason game, and he's basically predicting what's going to happen

679
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Speaker 1: on the child. He was like, wow, this is great

680
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Speaker 1: from this angle up here. Fans they think, all right, Rob,

681
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Speaker 1: we're I'm standing there several years ago and at training camp.

682
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Speaker 1: Would that win? Yeah? And that win told me what

683
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Speaker 1: was going to happen before it happened each time. That's

684
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Speaker 1: the basics of scouting again an opponent, that's what you

685
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Speaker 1: You spend all week in a normal week. And they

686
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Speaker 1: and they, as Brian pointed out, they had two weeks

687
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Speaker 1: to prepare for Dallas. That no one brags about that

688
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Speaker 1: when they lose, by the way, right, Oh we knew

689
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Speaker 1: it was coming. Oh well, why didn't you stop it? Seattle?

690
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Speaker 1: We stole we stole your signs. Yeah, sorry, you lost

691
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Speaker 1: the playoffs? Bye bye bye. You know I didn't hear it.

692
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I didn't hear any signs after that. Hell they took bye.

693
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Speaker 1: You know. It's amazing, it is. But when you win,

694
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Speaker 1: you earn the right. Oh no, you get you get

695
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Speaker 1: the right to beat your chest and beat up on

696
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Speaker 1: people and everybody believes you. Yeah, that's right, Well, that's

697
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Speaker 1: good luck. I hope the Saints just mall you. I'm

698
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: pulling for Sean Payton this game. I'm not gonna lie

699
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 1: Sean mcvagh. Okay, great, like that smug mo right face.

700
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Speaker 1: That's the other thing. You as a coach, you want

701
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Speaker 1: want your players to think they've got the upper hand,

703
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Speaker 1: that they were sure you do, Sure you do. He's

704
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Speaker 1: the difference. Make Let me tell you what. That's what.

705
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Let me tell you what, mister McVeigh,

706
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Speaker 1: that coach across the field is is pretty crazy. He

707
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Speaker 1: is gonna find a way to he's gonna turn this

708
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Speaker 1: into a game that you're not gonna like it. He's

709
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: a great coach. He is a great coach. They had

710
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: the star wars this offense, right, and they threw for

711
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty six yards. Again, maybe they ran

712
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Speaker 1: for two seventy one. Yea, they didn't have to Why

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Speaker 1: why I could have called players offense right? All you

714
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715
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Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping that Zeke was gonna run

716
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Speaker 1: for two hundred and seventy three yards in this game. Yeah,

717
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: well they didn't. They played great run defense, though, give yeah,

718
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Speaker 1: give the Rams a lot of choys in contrast the

719
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721
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722
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Speaker 1: It's the playoffs. Like he knew what they were up against.

723
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Speaker 1: No getting getting hitting. You're right, Zeke, You're right that man,

724
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725
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Speaker 1: toting the ball. No, no, no, no, no, bad, We've

726
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727
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728
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Speaker 1: every play the Cowboys. Yeah, did you see how far

729
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730
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: interesting thing. But and and you know, maybe maybe if

731
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732
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: because your left guard was actually holding up you know,

733
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734
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735
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736
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Speaker 1: But the fact that they stayed in base Michael Gallups

737
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: plays that he made were a product of that. They

738
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739
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: because they had more big plays than the Rams did. Right, yeah,

740
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Speaker 1: I think the longest pass I was twenty one yards. Yeah. Yeah,

741
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: they had like six I think more than twenty yards

742
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,920
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743
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,800
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744
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,000
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745
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: his twenty and a half sacks, and that's why they

746
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,719
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747
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: Hockett was pretty clean for Dak Overall, I felt like

748
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749
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Speaker 1: But overall I thought it was okay. There was one

751
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752
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755
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Speaker 1: maybe Mickey should be the OC. I just lit it up.

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761
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: then it was the pass. It was an errant pass

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767
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768
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Speaker 1: M all right, we're going to continue to play him

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Speaker 1: offseason plans are for Talking Cowboys. Go ahead, Tuesday Tuesdays

843
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: at eleven am, right, yes, erect Yeah, and you got

844
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: draft show is going to be on Thursday this week

845
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: at eleven and then we'll be Tuesday Wednesday, Thursday from

846
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl doing podcasts. We do those in the

847
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. Okay, so after practices and stuff, and

848
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: we'll resume. We'll resume while you're in Atlanta. Huh. I'll

849
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: be in Atlanta two weeks from today. And I'm not

850
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: really looking forward like you need to get this TSA

851
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: thing fixed. You're not feeling you're not a priority guy,

852
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: I am. But apparently this whole the certain airports are

853
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: getting backed up big time shut down right now, love

854
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: Field though. Yeah, and the teachers in LA shut down

855
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: the schools they're on strike. Yep. I didn't see that. Yeah,

856
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: So so we would will resume two weeks from today,

857
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. You could drive to Atlanta, Yeah, I could

858
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: do that. I'm afraid you're gonna say that you drive,

859
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: although I might get back quicker stop off of the

860
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. What you can stop at the Senior Bowl

861
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: on your way. Yeah, man, that green bind your ears. Yeah,

862
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: that's right. The Latin people up there, you go. I

863
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: did that when this when the Super Bowl was in Tampa, No, Jacksonville.

864
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: I drove, went to the Senior Bowl and then went

865
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: on to Florida. As a matter of fact, Atlanta, Tampa, Jacksonville, Miami.

866
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: I have actually made that trip from I went Dallas

867
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: to Atlanta to Mobile and back to Dallas. Because of

868
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: club volleyball that we had a national tournament. See that.

869
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: My kids were playing club volleyball at national tournament in Atlanta.

870
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: It was fourth of July and we spent the fourth

871
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: of July down at the Gulf Shores, went down to

872
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: Mobile in that area down there. So there you go.

873
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: I've done that and then they're done that. Don't need

874
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: to do it again with the drive. And if you

875
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: drove to Atlanta, you know you go through if you

876
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: don't stop at the Senior Bowl, you go through Tuscaloosa.

877
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: You go to Dreamland Barbecue. Dream Land Barbecue absolutely and

878
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: there you go. Bill Alladega's right on the way too.

879
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: Folks are sick of our travel schedules. All right, um,

880
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: off season priority? Yeah, throughout the first priority I've asked fans,

881
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier in the show, all right,

882
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: going forward, what are the top priorities this offseason for

883
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: this team? Lawrence got to be Lawrence, doesn't it? Lawrence

884
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: one on the list? Yeah, I think that. I think

885
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: you look at that and then you say, okay, now,

886
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: the next focus would be do you do you try

887
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: and do you try and extend Byron Jones? I think

888
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: you try to work on the two contracts that are

889
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: in their last year that are exorbitant, Cooper Cooper and

890
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. Byron Jones, We've got both of them. Byron

891
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: Jones is like nine million. They picked up the fifth

892
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: year option, right I remember correctly, And Cooper's is fourteen million.

893
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: If you redo those, you create cap space. Yeah, you

894
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: got Sean Lee on the books for seven million. That

895
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: will change, That will change. Yeah, okay, so yeah, you're right.

896
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: What about Alan Hearns though, too, that's another one that's

897
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: a team option, right, Yeah, And there's a couple of

898
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: different things there that have to that will make the

899
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: contract like more than it really looks like. I think

900
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: if they pick up the option exactly, you're right about that,

901
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: and so if you want him back, you probably do

902
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: something there. Yeah, I think Mickey's right about Okay, give

903
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: me the priority on Cooper or Byron Jones. What's the

904
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: bigger No, No, Mickey said both, and I think Mickey's

905
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: absolutely right. What's the bigger Cooper? Cooper's fourteen? Well, yeah,

906
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: thirteen nine two four. You're right about that. I'll go

907
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: Cooper there. In addition to the fact that Byron Jones

908
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: is six two right, you traded your first for Cooper. Yeah, question,

909
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: he's part of your long term plans. I think Byron

910
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: is too, but factor in that with the number on

911
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: the on the cap, I'd give me Cooper first to

912
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: look at along with DeMarcus. And I don't know. I

913
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: don't know how that one's gonna play out either, but

914
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: I think you got to find a way figure it

915
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: out because they're killing me. My Earl Thomas thoughts why

916
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: they're killing me, I don't. I don't think they're gonna

917
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: be like Gerald Thomas. I don't think so. I'd love

918
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: to have Earld Thomas playing safety here. For a couple

919
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: of years. I'd love it. Steveton was asked yesterday he's

920
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: not gonna do you see yourself, you know, signing impact

921
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: free agents, and he reiterated what he always says, his

922
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: own guys, that's what we focus on and hitting on

923
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: the draft, and we've got young players that need to improve.

924
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: They he just doesn't see it. He didn't say specific names.

925
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: If they were gonna get him, it was gonna be

926
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: for that trade. The best shot they had was on

927
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: draft night, on the second round, and when that didn't materialize,

928
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: it was over. In my opinion, it was they just

929
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of their own guys that they need

930
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: to take care of within the next year. Yea, So

931
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: it's the right way to do it too. What positions

932
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: you looking at, guys? What positions you looking at? If

933
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: we if you okay, if you say you do sign

934
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: Lawrence and you get you get uh Cooper done, say,

935
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: like Mickey wants to, are you gonna have to look

936
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: at cornerbacks because I mean, you know, if you think

937
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: about Byron Jones long term, I mean, if you're not

938
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna do that right or you're gonna you you're comfortable

939
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: playing with with the Woozier and Lewis and Brown. And

940
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: then the other thing I think you look at two

941
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: is where are like for Anthony Brown? He is East

942
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: free after next year, right, and so you look at

943
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: where you are if guys going into their last year. Right,

944
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: It's what Rob was talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this

945
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: whole secondary's up after nineteen just about I suffered George Well,

946
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: not everybody, Jordan Lewis, Xavier Woods, Cheeto, but Anthony Brown,

947
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: Cavon Frazier, Jeff Heath, Byron Jones. Brown next year is

948
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: his fourth year. Yeah, yeah, so he doesn't doesn't have

949
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: a restricted year. No, See, that's that's I mean. I

950
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: was thinking, if you're talking about draft, which I you know,

951
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I gotta we gotta show for that.

952
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: But if you were looking at positions, where would you start?

953
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: Is it a tight end? Running back? We talked to safety,

954
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: offensive line line tackles. Convinced that Travis Frederick is okay,

955
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: you don't need a center. It sounds like Joe Looney's

956
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: coming back, right, Joe Looney's under contract another day. Would

957
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: Joe be in my backup absolutely, my backup backup guy? Yeah,

958
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: Wide receiver could be a sneaky one because you got

959
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: Tavon and Cole up. Yeah, I think I think we're

960
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: sleeping on Cedric Wilson though a little bit. Guys. Yeah,

961
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: but do you have a slot guy, you know Mary Cooper? Well, yeah,

962
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean I mean, I mean, maybe play him a

963
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: little bit in there. It sounds for sure again he's

964
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: done the changeable parts there. Yeah. Maybe if you bring

965
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: Hern's back for another campaign, you can play every position. Yeah,

966
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: I want another defensive lineman that I can groom. Ah,

967
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: I was thinking more of that shorter. Are you more

968
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: worried about more worried about Human log or Collins going forward?

969
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: Collins's going into his last year, isn't he in the Yeah?

970
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: Now he's through nineteen. He's He's I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Yeah,

971
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: right he is. Yeah, he is going too. He's a

972
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: pretty good three technique. Yeah, when he's healthy. Rights one

973
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: would human Human Logs exclusive rights fore agent after nineteen.

974
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: So you gotta have to worry about a couple of years.

975
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: And then you got to figure out Crawford. What what

976
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: is he? Do you want him inside? Do you want

977
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: to want him outside? Game? If I want him outside

978
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: and I tell you what. Another guy that didn't really

979
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: take a step forward in that game was Tacco. Yeah,

980
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: he was a wash. You know what, I think tight

981
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: end is a priority. Yeah, I've got a tied end

982
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: for you to take a look at. Well, you won't

983
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: be at the Senior Bowl. You got Cayden Smith, Oh, Stanford, Sanford,

984
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: another Stanford tight Endower Mound Marcus. You gotta tie you

985
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: gotta tight ends. Coach whose son is the starting quarterback

986
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: at Flower Mount Marcus? Yeah, Doug nust Meyer, gotta go

987
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: with I'll go with Cayden Smith. I don't know what round.

988
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: I haven't projected a round for Caden Smith yet, but

989
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: take a look at him. Is that because is that

990
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: Flower Mount Marcus? Is that what you're saying? He's from

991
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 1: Flower Mault Marcus. But he's a he's a good player. Mickey,

992
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: wh's the last? James Hannah, Nikki, what's your guy's name? Pronounced?

993
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: The guy's name at Missouri? Albert okwombo nam Albert Oh,

994
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: Albert Oh Yeah, six four two sixty four four seven

995
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: six tight end from Missouri. This guy's this guy. I

996
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: couldn't pronounce his name, but Albert Oh is a damn

997
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: good tight end. I like him. I like this. This

998
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: he's and he's not like one of these little skinny guys. Now,

999
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: he's a big he's a big guy. He's a tight end. Yeah.

1000
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: Dawson Knox is another guy from Oldman. I'm just giving

1001
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: your names at tight ends I've seen so far. You

1002
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: would have to thank you. I appreciate that you would

1003
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: have to take him in the second Dawson, are you

1004
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: Albert we gotta pick, gotta pick at fifty eight, right, Rob, Yes, Sir.

1005
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: Josh Oliver from San Jose States another one. I've looked

1006
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: at Man. There's some tight ends in this strap. Mitchell

1007
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: Wilcox at South Florida. And then if you look at

1008
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: Dane Burgler's list his top fifty, twenty four and twenty five,

1009
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: or the Iowa tight ends actually twenty four, Hawkins, Hockinson

1010
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: and then fant there's some tight ends, folks, if you

1011
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: want to if you want to go get one, if

1012
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: you want to go get one, there's there's availability there

1013
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: at the second round. I know if Mickey wants to

1014
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: do that, right tend you to help out your quarterback.

1015
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing anything I can to help the quarterback. Jeff

1016
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Swam as a free agent. Yeah to b Yeah, yeah,

1017
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: that's definitely one of note. No question, what's the most

1018
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: important there? You go look at this. I think it

1019
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: can't coming up a study the Garrison. Cayden Smith's on

1020
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: my list. Yeah, I haven't seen that. Caleb Wilson NFL.

1021
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 1: I guess top one hundred. I don't know guys would

1022
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: be on there. Yeah according to CBS, Yeah, we need

1023
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: to kind of we need to look at Yeah, I

1024
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: need to see that that Caleb Wilson guy though I

1025
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: haven't seen him yet. Kind of going through on Albert, Oh,

1026
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't one. He's good though, Mickey, that guy's a good player.

1027
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: Alberto is a good player from Missouri. I did a

1028
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: story on Cayden Smith when he was a junior or

1029
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: senior in high school. He won a contest. It was

1030
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: after Odell Beckham made his one handed catch against a

1031
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: back flipping catch one there was there was a one

1032
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: hand catch competition in the spring that following spring, and

1033
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: Caden Smith won the national competitions. I went out and

1034
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: did a story and we caught footballs one handed together.

1035
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: How high would you draft a running together? Yeah? You

1036
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: showed him. I showed him how high. How high would

1037
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: you draft a running back? Not before the third or

1038
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: fourth round? Probably the fourth round on third if I

1039
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: like him the third I like him, yeah, I mean second.

1040
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: I mean it all depends on what your roster looks

1041
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: like by then. But I think you've got other names.

1042
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: I look at him. I look at it this one.

1043
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: You know, when did levy On Bell come out? He

1044
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: was a second round pick? Okay, the same year that

1045
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys drafted Gavin Escobar. Yeah, okay, And at that

1046
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: point DeMarco Murray was so the year away from being

1047
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: a free agent. I can't remember these specifics on it,

1048
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: but I would look back. You look back at it

1049
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Speaker 1: and go, if we weren't sitting there having to get

1050
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: a tight end, you know, and fallen in love with

1051
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: a position, we would have just taken the running back.

1052
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: We would have had Levon Bell the year before DeMarco

1053
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: Murray became a free agent. But I think you have

1054
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: to look at it that don't pass on talent or

1055
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: a position. Smith. Absolutely, Bill, he's a free agent. He's

1056
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: free agent. Yeah, there you go. But I do, and

1057
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: you look, you need some insurance for your best player.

1058
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: I get it, but I do look at it a

1059
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: little bit like when Witten was here. It's like, yeah,

1060
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: oh you need another running back. But how often is

1061
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: Zeke off the field? You know? I think that there's

1062
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: other pressing. We were trying to extend his career. Are

1063
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: we just gonna rush? I don't want to know. I'm

1064
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: trying to ask you. I'm not trying to be I

1065
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: don't want to trying to be round, but I mean,

1066
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean, are we trying to extend him to where

1067
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: if you don't have Tavon and you don't have Beasley,

1068
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: then who's given me that juice inside? In Nickel's situations,

1069
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: I wish I could draft you this this Devin's singletary

1070
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: from Florida Atlantic Mickey. That's why I brought up a

1071
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: slot receiver. Yeah, or somebody like versatile guy, jack of

1072
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: all trades. I think you can go across the board. Yeah,

1073
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: give me the best players because they can use the defense.

1074
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: So you're saying, you're okay, I like this. I like

1075
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: where you guys are going here because you're saying, if

1076
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: whatever they gets to their pick, whoever, the best guy

1077
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: regardless of position, regardless of position. What I'm saying need

1078
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: always factors in a little bit. Oh, it's like regardless

1079
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: of position with need that coaches will tell you over

1080
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: my years now of doing this. Yeah, fit, I mean

1081
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: it's a system too. Best available always sounds great, but

1082
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: you always have to have a reason why. There's always

1083
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: good value at the bottom of those boards though. Every draft.

1084
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming's up. Yes, yeah, got away with one there

1085
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: by the way, he played two games and you got

1086
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: away with it. Got two victories there. I know, that's

1087
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you're not bringing camp flaming back, Mickey.

1088
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: I gotta look at what's available. There's never anything available

1089
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: at tackle. Oh, he's not wrong, he's not wrong. It's

1090
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: another one. There's another attive round pick. Actually, drafts got

1091
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: some good tackles, a lot better than had the last

1092
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: couple of years. A guy DeMarcus Christmas from Florida State.

1093
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: Just so we have another DeMarcus in. His last name

1094
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: is Chris. You're looking at a bunch of defensive tackles there.

1095
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: Those are all we're talking about offensive tack Yeah, yeah, okay,

1096
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: that that whole group right there. That Gary Kidd from

1097
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: from Michigan, he's really good. There's a bunch of first

1098
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: round guys right up there, all the way down to

1099
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I think he's going all the way

1100
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: down to since a after pass Wilkins. All those guys

1101
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: I think would be considered first round guys. Wow on

1102
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: that board, deep group, and you start your list with

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00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: number fifty five on yeah yeah, Hey, hey, the one

1104
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: it's funny. The one guy that CBS doesn't have up

1105
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: there is that Quinnon Williams. I didn't see him up there.

1106
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: He's playing might be the best player in the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do the draft show here.

1108
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about look names. It's never too early. Now, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we all want something. We're here. In fact, you've motivated me.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start filling in my big green NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: scouting shoebook when I go home. This already started. Bill,

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