1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We think we're safe, right, 2 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: do you? Because this family had the top of the 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: line security cameras in a low crime area, yet still 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: crime tragedy entered their lives and of all places in 5 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: their home. Do you think money, education, power, prestige can 6 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: protect you, Because this is proof a suffering family can 7 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: tell you. No one apparently can be protected. I mean it. 8 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: See Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being 9 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious x one eleven. 10 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight from Elie x eighteen. 11 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: First responders got here just after four thirty this morning, 12 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: but by the time they arrived, the intruder or intruders 13 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: had already fled. KSP Sergeant Robert Purtty reports that several 14 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: people were sleeping inside the home, which belongs to former 15 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: state Representative C. Wesley Morgan, when at least one person 16 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: broke into the house gunshots were fired. We believe that 17 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: shots were exchanged between the homeowner and the person who 18 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: was involved in the shooting, who then left the scene. 19 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: The coroner arrived at the home later in the morning. 20 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: We have learned the person killed as the former lawmaker's daughter, 21 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, a family friend, confirmed the news, and her 22 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: employer called her a quote promising young attorney. She also 23 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: worked in the office of former Governor Matt Bevan. Think 24 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: about it. I've got a son and a daughter, and 25 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: I can guarantee you, but I am not right here 26 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: in front of this mike. Are out on a crime 27 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: scene or working on a crime I am with my children. 28 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: Think about it. Eport all your up, all your hopes, 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: all your dreams, all your money, all your time to 30 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: have some devil come into your home in the night 31 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: and you think you're all well protected and murder your daughter. 32 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure the parents wish they just killed them instead. 33 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut seven Fox fifty six. 34 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: The Willis Branch Road home has a high tech security 35 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: system to keep intruders out. In Madison County is usually 36 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: pretty quiet, which is why residents are confused that such 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: a tragic crime would happen there. I don't understand how 38 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: somebody three or four o'clock on mon it's going to 39 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: go out to that neighborhood, especially if the cameras all 40 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: over the place and doing something like that. Back off 41 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: the road. He has a farm there, and you know. 42 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure he turns, you know, like shreal dad for me. 43 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: Kentucky State Police say is too early to determine if 44 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: there is an ongoing threat to the public. Police also 45 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: add that Jordan Morgan was a part time resident of 46 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: the home. Okay, I don't understand this. He's got it's 47 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: a beautiful home that backs up to a farm, very 48 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: low crime area, farm land, and he's got all type 49 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: of security on the home, surveillance, you name it. And 50 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: somehow somebody breaches that, comes into the home and murders 51 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: his daughter. This is not just anybody. This is a 52 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: high profile politician in Kentucky. How in the world did 53 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: this happen? And what would be the motivation? So far, 54 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: we're not hearing about a sex attack or the daughter. 55 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: We're not hearing about things stolen from the home. So 56 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: why again, I mean, I see grace, this this crime story. 57 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us, with 58 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: me and all start panel to make sense of what 59 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: we know right now. Dell Carson high profile lawyer Jacksonville, 60 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI, former FBI, Asian author of 61 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: Arrest Proof Yourself. You can find him Delcarsonlaw dot com. 62 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: Doctor Jory Cross and psychologist faculty Saint Leo University, consultant, 63 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: author of Operation s o S. Professor Forensics, Jacksonale State University, 64 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Starving 65 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: you hit series on iHeart Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan 66 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: also with me, a longtime colleague you may know him 67 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: as Turtleman, Chris Adams at the wire Grass Ecological and 68 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: Cultural Project, and very special guests joining us, Don Foster. 69 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: This is victim, a gorgeous young lawyer, Jordan Morgan's stepfather 70 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: speaking out. But first I'm gonna go to Courtney King. 71 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm a friend at Fox nineteen on Facebook. Fox nineteen 72 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: Courtney King, Courtney, thank you so much for being with 73 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: us in the middle of all of this. It's just tragedy. First, 74 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: I want to understand, Courtney, explain to me the layout 75 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: of this home, because when I go to a crime scene, 76 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: typically on a homicide, as I walk up, I have 77 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: facts just rolling through my head. Are there security cameras? 78 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Is it off the street? Is there offense on the exterior? 79 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: What's the perimeter? Could a person have jumped over? Offense? 80 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: Is it scalable? Was a home locked. Is there a 81 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: back patio, Is there a swimming pool, Is there some 82 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: type of I don't know, playhouse or a storage unit 83 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: in the yard that could hide someone. All of these 84 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: things would be flying through my mind, and especially in 85 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: this case, I don't quite understand how this guy, the 86 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: dad with the prestige, the politics behind him, the money, 87 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: the beautiful home, the security system, how the hey did 88 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: this happen? Give me the layout? Where is this, Courtney sir? Nanthew? 89 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: This home is in Madison County. We're actually I'm with 90 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: Fox sinteen and Cincinnatis. It's about an hour and a 91 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: half from the Cincinnati area. It's closer to the Lexington 92 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: part of the Wait a minute, Courtney King, I'm getting 93 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: mixed messages. You're saying it's an hour and a half 94 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: from Cinnati, big metropolitan city, but yet I know there's 95 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: a farm behind. Let me understand the lay of the land. 96 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: Is Madison County rural? Suburban? Urban? What is it? It 97 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: is more of a rural area. Specifically with this house. 98 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: If you look at some drone footage of it that 99 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: you might be able to see online on some of 100 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: the local news websites, it is pretty much by itself 101 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: in the area, so it's in a remote area. And 102 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: when you're asking about security from the drone footage, it 103 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: doesn't look like there's a fence around the house, so 104 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: it's in a remote area. There is a swimming pool 105 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: you can see out from Courtney hold on check check 106 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: your satellite. You're cutting in and out on me while 107 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: Courtney King is getting her SAT fixed to You just 108 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: got Morgan. That's really important, and that's where you start 109 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: with an investigation. Your timeline and the location. Explain why 110 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: in a nutshell, Joe goot Morgan. You know what you're 111 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: looking to do. Nancy's Creed's referred to as a geographical profile, 112 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: the nature of the environment, who has access, who has 113 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: points of egress, who can get in and get out? 114 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: And for instance, if you're talking about road that only 115 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: had that's a cult sack where you have to drive 116 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: in and then turn around and exit that road, that 117 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: location that's going to be important as well. And who 118 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: occupies the space around this area. We know that it's 119 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: a farming community, but if you just go back up 120 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: the road, there's some new home developments. And let's not 121 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: forget the I seventy five corridor runs right by here. Wow, 122 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: and that's a big deal because we know Del Carson, 123 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of Jackson, all former FBI agent. 124 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: And I always go back to the Shasta and Dylan 125 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: Grownie case up in Cord Delaye. I know, if you 126 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: look above it aerial, nothing but green forest. But a 127 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: PERV drove by on the Interstate in his truck and 128 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: saw Shasta in an above ground pool in the distance. 129 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: He had a bird's eye view very briefly from the Interstate, 130 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: comes off the Interstate and this no crime area stalks 131 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: the family kills a whole family to get Dylan and 132 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: Shasta grownee. So you can be out in the middle 133 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: of nowhere, like Joe Scott Morgan was saying, and still 134 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: fall victim to crime. But it tells me it's targeted 135 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: because there's nobody living around you, So it's somebody targeting you. 136 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And it's probably well lit on the exterior, 137 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: so it draws the attention of anyone traveling on the Interstate, 138 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: and it seems to be targeted clearly. Yeah, and you 139 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: know you think, oh, like that helps me to typically 140 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: it does. But the flip side of that coin is 141 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: a per can see, So what's your choice. I still 142 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: go with the lighted area. Guys, take a list of 143 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: our cut nine from Eliot's eighteen. Many questions remain, who 144 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: was the shooter, Why did this happen? How did the 145 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: intruder or intruders break into the home? To begin with, 146 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: we've been able to determine kind of a point of entry, 147 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: but due to the sensitive nature of this type of investigation, 148 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of information that we're not putting out 149 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: and can't put out at this time. You know, I 150 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: think some of the things we have that we think 151 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: may have occurred at this point, it'd be it'd be 152 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: speculation to release much more than that. Sp also reports 153 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: that at least one intruder and the homeowner, who is 154 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: listed at C Wesley Morgan, the former lawmaker, did exchange 155 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: gunshots and Morgan, who has identified as the homeowner, was 156 00:09:52,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: taken the UK hospital and was treated and released. Crime 157 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Back to Courtney King joining US 158 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Fox nineteen. That's n oww X I 159 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: X Courtney again, thanks for being with us. From what 160 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: I understand, the breaking happened around four am. You know 161 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people say the witching hours midnight. I 162 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: think it's three am, four am. An invasion, a home 163 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: invasion into the family's four point two million dollar mansion, 164 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: and then without stealing anything, we think, without sex attacking, 165 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: anybody shoots this Kentucky lawmaker's daughter dead. Here's the kicker 166 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: as she lays sleeping. Now they're referring to the sensitive 167 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: nature of the crime. That's almost unheard of, Courtney King, 168 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: are those facts correct? What do you know? Well, we 169 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: know that the Morgan home was for sales or about 170 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: six five million dollars. It's currently listed if you look 171 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: at it Zillo page or one of its real estate 172 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: group pages. But we do know that if you look 173 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: on those real estate pages, there is a bunker that 174 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: is in the Morgan family home that's worth about three 175 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: million dollars. Again according to these real estates pages, and 176 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: according to them, it says that this bunker is about 177 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: twenty six feet underground and also has two escape tunnels. 178 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: So that's a little bit of the background of what 179 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: we know about the house. You're absolutely right. Take a 180 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: listen to our cut two. Our friend Marvin Bartlett at 181 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: Fox fifty six. Wesley Morgan is a well known figure 182 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: in central Kentucky. The Republicans served one term in the 183 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: State House of Representatives from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen, 184 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: but was defeated when he ran for reelection in twenty twenty. 185 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: He tried to unsee US Senator Mitch McConnell, picking up 186 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: about six percent of the vote in the primary. The 187 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: homework Today's shooting took place was listed for sale last 188 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: year with a price tag of six and a half 189 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: million dollars. It sits on two hundred acres. The listing 190 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: received nationwide attention because the home includes an underground shelter 191 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: that's been referred to as a doomsday bunker? What exactly 192 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: is that? To Jerry Cross and psychologist Faculties Saint Leo 193 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: University and author of Operation SS right now, I wish 194 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: I had a bunker with putin in action? Dare I 195 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: even mention his name? But how common is a bunker? 196 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: And why do people have bunkers? And maybe some people 197 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: need a bunker safe him so to speak, more than 198 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: other people. Well, I'm old enough to remember here in 199 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: Florida where the Cuban missile crisis and they were selling 200 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: bomb shelters back there in the homes in Tampa area 201 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: back in the sixties, so that kind of goes in trends. 202 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: I would take it. One of the points that it 203 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: has been brought up is the whoever this perpetrator. There 204 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: was like a targeting and it you know, I am 205 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: from a psychology perspective, it's got to be somebody in 206 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: the house. It's got to be something in the house. 207 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean to go in there and systematically encounter the 208 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: residents and kill them. And when he met resistance, he left. Guys, 209 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut 210 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: for our friends at Fox fifty six. This is a scene. 211 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: This isn't something that we see very common here in 212 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: Madison County, and we've got several people on the scene 213 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: trying to determine exactly what happened. So hopefully we'll be 214 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: able to have some more answers later. You know, we've 215 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: been able to determine kind of a point of entry, 216 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: but due to the sensitive nature of this type of investigation, 217 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of information that we're not putting out 218 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: and can't put out at this time. Sergeant Bertie says 219 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: it's too early to determine if there is an ongoing 220 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: threat to the public. Now Madison County residence I spoke 221 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: to today. I mean that Morgan owns the liquor World 222 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: here in the area. Okay, right, there is that, correct, 223 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: Courtney King. He is a Kentucky politician but also owns 224 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: a liquor world. Yes, yes, so we do know that 225 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: he was a local businessman as well as once being 226 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: a state roup. Okay, you know that really opens up 227 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: a can of worms. Joe's got Morgan because you've got 228 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: is this politically motivated? Did the dad Wesley Morgan, high 229 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: profile politician in Kentucky? Did he say something that infuriated 230 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: some kuk or is it some somebody that's against liquor 231 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: or against drinking? I mean, it could be anything. Because 232 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: we're not having a robbery and we're not having a 233 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: sex attack. Yeah, you're right, And you know, the high 234 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: profile nature of the family in and of itself creates 235 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: a myriad of problems because you know, if it's a 236 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: common everyday Joe that winds up being attacked, it's one thing. 237 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, you're limited. You have this kind of limited 238 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: spectrum of people that they're going to come in contact with. 239 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: But as your profile rises, people become aware and you 240 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: can draw in all manner of folks into your world. 241 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: So as an investigator, you have to cover a very 242 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: broad spectrum, Nancy, simply because of the bandwidth as these 243 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: individuals have who they're reaching out to, maybe somebody they've 244 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: gotten cross with. You never know business dealings that have 245 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: gone bad, and so in a case like this you 246 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: have to be very, very meticulous. That's also why the 247 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: police are holding back on information. Nancy. Take a listen 248 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: to our cut three. This is from Flax fifty six. 249 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: Friends describe at Jordan Morgan as her father Wesley's pride 250 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: and joy. Now it's been a little over twenty four 251 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: hours since rom suspect entered Wesley's multi million dollar mentioned 252 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: on Willis Branch Road in Richmond. Wesley Morgan was shot 253 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: during the home invasion. He was taken to UK hospital 254 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: and has since been released. According to Steve Police, Wesley 255 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: shot back about Wesley's Jordan was killed. Authority say Jordan 256 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: Morgan lived part time at the Willis Branch home. The 257 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: thirty two year old just accepted a position as an 258 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: associate attorney at a Lexington law firm. Friends of the family, say, 259 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: Wesley lit up around his daughter. He was a very 260 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: proud father of her. She went to law school, and 261 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, Wesley has been very successful, but you know, 262 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: to see him light up, was always talking about her 263 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: and talking about you know, being able to put her 264 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: through law school and going through all that and watching 265 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: her through all that. This morning, no arrests have been 266 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: made in Kentucky's Day of Police says this investigation is 267 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: still too early to know if there is a threat 268 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: to the public. Joining me right now is a very 269 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: special guest. It is Don Foster. This is Jordan, the 270 00:16:54,560 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: murder victims stepfather. Mister Foster, thank you for being with us. First, 271 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm just sick with what has happened to your family. 272 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I just hate it. And when I hear how proud 273 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: the father is, and I'm sure you are two of Jordan, 274 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: it just reminds me so much of my dad. That's 275 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: one person I know would never ever, I don't care 276 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: where he was, ever miss my program ever, not once. 277 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: I don't care where he was. He would find a 278 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: TV or else. He wouldn't go never. I remember the 279 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: day I graduated from law school after he and my 280 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: mother helped put me through law school in undergrad. He cried. 281 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: And here's the funny story, Don Foster. When I did 282 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, of course, I was almost thrown 283 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: off the very first night, Dawn. And you know they 284 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: hold you in JEP what they called jeopardy, where you 285 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: and another person stand there and wait for them to 286 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: tell you who's going to get thrown off. I looked 287 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: across that stage and I saw my father crying, and 288 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: he had tears in his eyes because he thought I 289 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: was upset. Well, I didn't get through it off that night. 290 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: But that love, there's just there's nothing like it. And 291 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: boys and girls are different. I don't love one of 292 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: mine more than the other. But there's something different about 293 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: when I hugged my little Lucy versus when I hugged 294 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: my big boy John David. It's just one smile from 295 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: her and my heart just melts and hearing about her. 296 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: Just tell me about her. Let me just start with that. 297 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: Tell me about Jordan. Jordan was an awesome gal, and 298 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: she had so much love here for a mother, and 299 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: her mother had so much love for Jordan, and they 300 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time together. But she was a 301 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: very smart kid. Want to law school and she was 302 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: a prosecuting attorney for a while and she's ended up. 303 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: She worked eight days at this new job. She was 304 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: one of those job, dream jobs of a lifetime that 305 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: she just received and she was so excited about it. 306 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: And she's been there eight days when this happened. What 307 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: was the dream job, mister Foster, what was her knee jow? 308 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: It's a drink. Well, you know from her salary before that. 309 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: This was income with all the perks and downtown Lexton, 310 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: super nice office building, an office looking the downtown listing 311 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: and it was at her young age. It was just 312 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: as a lifelong dream for her to have a job 313 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: with this large company which has twelve offices in an 314 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty attorneys. And she's so excited, and I 315 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: am my wife. I'm a businessman. I was on the 316 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: real estate company here for fifty years and my wife's 317 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: a realder and she was sharing her homes in Lexton, 318 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: getting ready to moved to Lexton, and probably another couple 319 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: of weeks she would have been at that house. But 320 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: you know, just unfortunate, and we have in the funeral today. 321 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: At one visitation was last night and she had over 322 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: two thousand people that come by and in pay respect. 323 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: It was an awesome and an individual last night. For 324 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: so it's just unreal that that she's no longer here. 325 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: Special job. Oh mister Foster, how is your wife holding up? 326 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: It's I've never in my life, I've had five days 327 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: in my family and this has never been anything like. Yes, 328 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: she has not done well at home and was breaking 329 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: her heart. On top of this, it's you know Wesley 330 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: as this, you know he was politician and even he's 331 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: getting all they've never mentioned ever had her face on 332 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: all these TV stations and she said, nobody knows it. 333 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: I'm Jordan's mom and uh, and there's so much love 334 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: between these two. It's unreal, and it's it's just broke 335 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: her heart as all Wesley or Wesley and not lisaan 336 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: over her mother and she you know, her heart's already broken. 337 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: And then for her to say, well, nobody knows on 338 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: the TUE stations that I'm her mother, And well they 339 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: know now, mister Foster, they certainly know now. And I 340 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: know how you feel. Not no, I don't know how 341 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: you feel, but I can remember at my fiance's funeral 342 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: and it did not upset me at the time. But 343 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: I think about it that the pastor kept referring to 344 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: Keith's family and he would call me Mary, and it's 345 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: just and I'm hearing what you're saying. All this time, 346 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: Wesley Morgan, the politician, has been the one who's a 347 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: focus of all the love towards Jordan. When I can 348 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: tell you right now my husband would disagree. Nobody lost 349 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: my children more than me, nobody, And just to feel 350 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: so helpless with her coming into the home, the perp 351 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: coming into home as she lay sleeping, Jordan was totally defenseless, 352 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: mister Foster, she was asleep, Nancy. They I don't if 353 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: you want me to tell you a little bit, wi 354 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: me and I know what's like the back of my hand. 355 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: When they called us that morning, we ran over there, 356 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: but they had a mister Morgan had a scafflin. They 357 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: were working on side of the home, and Jordan had 358 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: the upstairs and her bedrooms off in this balcony. Well, 359 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: they skilled. They tried the camera shows. They tried to 360 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: get in the front door. So he went up the 361 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: scaffline from his balcon and then shot the law off 362 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: in horse or bed was at there, and then they shot. 363 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: The ordan was in asleep and they shot several times, 364 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: and detective indicated that she know she wasn't up and 365 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: moving around and she was shot in her sleep. And 366 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's just, you know, it just saves a 367 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: heartbread of your chest. I mean, the thought that someone 368 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: could break into your home on your watch. You're the parent, 369 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: You're responsible for their safety, all right, you know, mister Foster, 370 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: with all the stories I cover in the cases I 371 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: investigate there, it's not an exaggeration to say I'm up 372 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: at least four to five times a night worried, and 373 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: I just go in and look at the twins as 374 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: they lay sleeping, and in my head, I know the 375 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: likelihood of anything happening to them is far fetched, astronomical, 376 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: but it's on me to protect them and watch over them. 377 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: I just the lance must just be completely distraught. I 378 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: don't know how your wife is getting through it. She's 379 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: having a difficult time. We've had it's oh, I mean 380 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: just there were a few minutes and if you just 381 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: can't believe in it's it's really broken her and we'll 382 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: get through it, but we'll never be the same. Our 383 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: last will never be the same. What devil straight from 384 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: hell would do this, as we now learn new information 385 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: that the front door was tried. When that didn't work, 386 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: the part was so intent he crawled up the side 387 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: of the building on scaffolding. Yes, go ahead, mister Foster, 388 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: I was saying, yes, that's true. They'd had scapine or 389 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're then working on southe house and that's 390 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: how you got an entry in. And you know my opinion, 391 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: it was not a murdery, of course, he just shot 392 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: her several times. And are and a R what straight 393 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: out to you? I guess Del Carson and Joe Scott 394 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: more Go will be the best to answer that question. Dale. 395 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: You want to take a crack at at first, and 396 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: a R was the weapon. I saw it rifle speed 397 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: bullets and when it when it hits, it leaves a 398 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: hydrostatic shock, and uh, at that distance which would apparently 399 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: was pretty short, it would have all men almost been 400 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: instantaneous death. What's rather surprising is that the the father 401 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: there uh got it hit apparently three times and that's 402 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: a miracle that he survived. I mean, Joe Scott and 403 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: AAR looks like a machine gun. No, yeah, yeah, and 404 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: you know it's based on a military platform. It's AAR 405 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: actually stands for arm a light. It's what the original 406 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: M sixteen was based upon, and so it has You know, 407 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: the earlier models had a switch, a selector switch from 408 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: semi automatic to full automatic. So when you say machine gun, 409 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about a fully automatic weapon. In this case, 410 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: it's probably semi automatic. But to Dale's point, yeah, this 411 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: is a very powerful round. Tiny round, but very powerful. 412 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: It delivers a tremendous amount of energy. Jordan god Wrestor, 413 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: she wouldn't have had a chance at this range, and 414 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: the fact that this was done as she lay sleeping night. 415 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: I find it very curious that this person was very purposed, Nancy, 416 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: because it's not like he scaled or entered this house 417 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: carrying a concealed handgun in his waistband. You're talking about 418 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: a shoulder fired firearm. This is a rifle that he's 419 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: carrying up the scaffoling as he is getting into so 420 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: into the residence. This tells me that this person was 421 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: very very purposed in going into this environment. And a 422 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: fifteen style rifle, any lightweight semi automatic rifle based on 423 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: the cult AAR fifteen design as Joe Scott stated the 424 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: original I'm allt AAR fifteen scaled down derivative of the 425 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: AAR ten design and they look like they're straight from Hale. 426 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten Elliott's eighteen. Police 427 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: say they're looking for twenty three year old Shannon gil 428 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: Day of Taylor Mill, Kentucky, and they consider him armed 429 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: and dangerous. Gilday is alleged to have forced his way 430 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: into the home behind me around four am Tuesday, armed 431 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: with a rifle. Police say he then shot and killed 432 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, who was in bed at the time. An 433 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: exchange of gunfire then allegedly broke out between Gilday and 434 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 1: Morgan's father, businessman and former state lawmaker C. Wesley Morgan, 435 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: who was shot but has since been released from the hospital. 436 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: Gilday lives in Northern Kentucky, the region where Jordan Morgan 437 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: had worked as a prosecutor. As far as connections between 438 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: the victim and the alleged suspect, there's still a lot 439 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: of things that we're looking at at this time. I 440 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: don't believe that there's any connection between the two. Previously, 441 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: I believe that we have information and based on our 442 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: initial investigation that was not she was not necessarily the 443 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: particular target. Police have an active rest warrant out on 444 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: guil Day for murder and several other charges. Straight out 445 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: to a special guest, Corny King Fox nineteen n ow 446 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: nw x i X Who is this guy? Guilda, Yes, so, Nancy. 447 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: We've learned a bit about his background. We know he's 448 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: twenty three years old. His full name is Shannon Vincent Gilda. 449 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: We've learned he went by Vince, but his mother when 450 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: she made her Facebook post begging for him to turn 451 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: himself in, she referred to him as Shannon. So we've 452 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: used this full name just because some people know Ms Shannon, 453 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: some people know him that since. But we did learn 454 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: through our reporting that he was once in the Army 455 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: from it looks like August of twenty eighteen to October 456 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, and a source did confirm to us 457 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: that he was dishonorably discharged from the army, So that's 458 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: one thing. We also know that he was living in 459 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: an apartment complex called The Farm. This is in Taylor Millkentucky, 460 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: which is about fifteen minutes or so from downtown Cincinnati, 461 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: and through speaking with some of his neighbors and neighbor 462 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: told us that about a week before the crime happened, 463 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: Shannon Gilda knocked on her door and asked to use 464 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: her computer. She said they knew each other in passing 465 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: and had lived next to each other for about two years, 466 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: so she didn't think that was strange at first. However, 467 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: she says that he took out a thumb drive asked 468 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: her to put files on her computer, and that's when 469 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: she got a little uncomfortable. And she says that those 470 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: files were labeled to whoever and were also about Russia 471 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: and the Ukraine. And she alleges that Shannon Gilda told 472 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: her that those files would be updated soon. She says 473 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: as soon as he left, she deleted them. However, when 474 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: she found out he was a wanted suspect, she did 475 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: come forward in contact POLICEE. So, just some things that 476 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: have been going on that the neighbor says it which 477 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: she was very uncomfortable. That is extremely bizarre. Courtney Cake. 478 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: So he goes into his neighbor's home just before the shooting, 479 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: a couple of days before the shooting of the victim 480 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: in this case, a beautiful young girl out of law school, 481 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, just landed her dream job, the love of 482 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: her mother's life. He goes in, does her dana her sleep, 483 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: and he's downloading files on the USSR and Ukraine. Yeah, 484 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: that's that's what this neighbor said. And she did say 485 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: she found it very bizarre. When we spoke with her, 486 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: she was so nervous about him still being on the 487 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: run that she didn't want us to show her face 488 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: or use her name, which we completely understand, but yes, 489 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: that is one thing that she said. And then his mother, 490 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: when she released the statement, she said that her son 491 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: had not had not been in the right sound of mine, 492 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: alluding to that he was having mental health issues. The 493 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: mother also said in her statement that he had been 494 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: talking about building a bunker and thought that, you know, 495 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: a nuclear war was going to happen. So we did 496 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: ask once we found out that the home did have 497 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: a bunker, and then the mother posting, you know that 498 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: he was speaking about and funker. We did check with 499 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: Kentucky State Police to see if that was the motive 500 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: behind what happened. They did tell us that it is possible, 501 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: They think that that is a possibility, but they told 502 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: us repeatedly that they won't understand the motive until they 503 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: are able to speak with him. Well, okay, a twenty 504 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: japan You know it's important to note here that people 505 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: who are dishonorably discharged from the military are not allowed 506 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: to possess firearms. I didn't know that. I did not 507 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: know that. Del Carson, I can tell recognize your voice. 508 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: A high profile lawyer out of Jackson and former fed 509 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: with the FBI. A twenty three year old suspect wanted 510 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: a bolo be on the lookout for this guy for 511 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: shooting dead a Kentucky lawmaker's daughter as she lay asleep 512 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: in her bed. So hell bent on getting in, he 513 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: crossed up scaffolding on the side of the mansion while 514 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: carrying an r assault rifle. Then he goes on the 515 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: Lamb Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. So question Chris Adams 516 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: joining us from the wire Grass Ecological and Cultural Project. Chris, 517 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: First of all, what are you facing if you are 518 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: trying to hide out in the wilderness at this time 519 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: of year in Kentucky. Well, depending on the area, you're 520 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: looking at a lot of woodlands, some of the streams 521 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: maybe a little high. There's an abundant amount of rainfall 522 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: in an area, The biggest thing right now with the 523 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: temperature is getting down into the thirties at night and 524 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: jumping up into the fifties and sixties during the day 525 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: is if one was to get wet, they might actually 526 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: have to deal with hypothermia, and once that sets in, 527 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: you know that's dangerous for anybody. Well, okay, let's try 528 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: to narrow this down with me. He swamp survival expert 529 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: Chris Items. Based on what we know of Kentucky terrain, 530 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: where would he be camping if he's trying to elude 531 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: police or the heads. I mean, he's going to be 532 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: looking for areas that are secluded away from people. He's 533 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: not going to be in those main camping areas or 534 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: probably traveling along marked hiking trails. He's going to be 535 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: beating a path through the woods if he is a survivalist. 536 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: But we do know he was in the army. We 537 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: know he knows how to handle a weapon, But is 538 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: he is survivalists going for a day trip in your 539 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: boy scout tents a lot different from living in the wild. 540 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Chris Adams, what would you 541 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: be looking for if you were trying to follow his trail? 542 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: So if he's going through dent's brush, He's going to 543 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: leave a trail much wider than a deer or a 544 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: rabbit or a bobcat. You're going to be looking for 545 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: broken branches, down grass, trampled areas. It would be easy 546 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: to distinguish a human trail from an animal trail or 547 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: game trail like that. I think it's much too cold 548 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: right now for snakes to come out. I don't know 549 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: if that's right. But would wildlife be a concern at all? 550 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: Chris Adams. Essentially, there's nothing in that area of the 551 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: country that's going to go out of its way to 552 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: harm you, you know, bears, bobcats, etc. The biggest concern 553 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: that one would have being out there in the wilderness 554 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: like that would be hypothermia setting in. As I mentioned, basically, 555 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: you the weather conditions can change up on your quick 556 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: you know. To Courtney King, reporter Fox nineteen n OW 557 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: and w X I X Courtney, how was he first identified? 558 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: So we do know from the Kentucky State Police. They 559 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: say that a tipster came forward on Tuesday night and 560 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: then he was later identified on Thursday. The Kentucky State 561 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: Police have been very vague with that information. We really 562 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: don't know who that tipster is. So that's kind of 563 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: what got the investigation going, is that once someone came 564 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: forward seeing what happened, seeing the news, they came forward 565 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: and then alerted police. So are you saying it's because 566 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: of surveillance video that I don't know. We just know 567 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: that a tipster saw the reports that Jordan Morgan had 568 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: been shot and killed, saw the news reports, something triggered 569 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: them in their brain. They came forward to police to 570 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: give a tip about Shannon gil Day. Apparently they knew 571 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: they had some information and about him and then came 572 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: forward once they saw reports. Do we have any idea 573 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: of what this guy did for a living? Who is he? 574 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: Courtney King? What do we know? We're not quite sure 575 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: what he was doing. According to his Facebook page and 576 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: things that neighbors said, it looks like he was working 577 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: as either a waiter, a server, or as a bartender. 578 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: Neighbors said that they would often see him coming out 579 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: of the building six to seven o'clock at night, dressed 580 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: nice like he was going to a restaurant. So they 581 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: believe that he was working in the service industry. And 582 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: then the guy is no more mentally ill than the 583 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: man in the moon coming out at night, dressed up 584 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,479 Speaker 1: to go out. Oh h double l No, don't even 585 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: start with me, cross and about mental illness, take a 586 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: listen out twelve our friends at WCPO nine after the shooting. 587 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: It appears that there's a possibility that he was injured. 588 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: We obtained Madison County Assessor public records which shows some 589 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: of the exteriors of the home Friday. A clearer picture 590 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: coming from Shannon's mother on Facebook. She says she tried 591 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: getting him psychiatric help and that he hadn't been of 592 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: sound mind the last couple of weeks, adding that he 593 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: is distraught with a certainty and nuclear war is imminent. 594 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: He spoke of building a bunker and the CIA following him. 595 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: Kentucky State Police say it's possible the house he targeted 596 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: has a bunker inside, and that something investigators are actively 597 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: looking into. The public records show the home, but make 598 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: no mention of the possible underground bunker. And while we 599 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: don't have permission to show you, we have seen multiple 600 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: pictures inside of the home of an underground bunker. Okay, 601 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: isn't it on Zilla Courtney King? I mean this guy 602 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 1: is convincer's going to be nuclear war. He wants underground bunker. 603 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: This time has an underground bucker. It's really hard for 604 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: me to take in that could be motive for murder. 605 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: Can't you see online? Yes, Nancy, so you could go 606 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: to Garrett's Garrett's Real Estate Group, but then also Zillow 607 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: as well has some Morgan family home posted and you 608 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: can go through the pictures online and you can see 609 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: photos of the bunker like that. Reporter said, Unfortunately, we 610 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: don't have permission to use that in our reports, so 611 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: we just had to describe what it looks like, and 612 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: you know how it was built, what did it look like? 613 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: Very large. There's also what looks like a pantry with 614 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: a lot of canned and nonperishable goods. The colors are 615 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: white with blue trim doors. It looks like there's a 616 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 1: door that almost almost looks like a safe at a bank. 617 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: We know that there's two tunnels that are considered escape tunnels, 618 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: and there's pictures of that. And again there's a picture, 619 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: if you're able to look at it, Dancy, of a 620 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: pantry where it looks like there's just a very very 621 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: large supply of nonperishable goods. Guys, I am I am 622 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: hearing right now the suspect in the shooting of the 623 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: young woman, Jordan Morgan, suspect Shannon Vincent Guilda, has been apprehended. 624 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: We're getting the report that he was walking along Barnes 625 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: Mill Road in Madison County. He didn't make it very far. 626 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: Don Foster, what are they telling you about the arrest? Yes, ma'am. 627 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: He was a captured on the overpass of H seventy 628 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 1: five at X eighty seven, and that's about a one 629 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: mile approximate to the Morrigan home. So he was very 630 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: close by my office complexes backs up to that lamp 631 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: and the whole back parking lot covered with law enforcement 632 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,760 Speaker 1: vehicles looking for clues. But I've been told liable source, 633 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: reliable source that he was seen in the Morion area 634 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: walking around by one of the neighbors and they reported it. 635 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know if he was left Richmond or not. 636 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: They have captured and he was wearing an all black 637 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: He was dressed in a black attire. It sounds like 638 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: the same clothes he was wearing at the time he 639 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: gunned down the victim, Jordan Morgan, lying there asleep in 640 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: her bedroom. Courtney King just a mile away. He must 641 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: have been hiding out in the woods. Yeah, we still 642 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: don't know for sure. Like Don was saying, if you 643 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: left her, if he came back, but what I can't 644 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: tell you. When I spoke with Kentucky State Police this morning, 645 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: they did say that he was not armed when they 646 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: found him, and also he was not injured. And we 647 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: do know from reports that mister Morgan said that he 648 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: thought he might have struck Guilde in the gunfire exchange. However, 649 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: police are telling us that he did not appear to 650 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 1: be injured, and again, he did not have a gun 651 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: with him, He was not armed, So we still don't know. 652 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: We know that there are wooded areas or forest wooded 653 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: areas over in Madison County, but we still don't know 654 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: if he ever left or if he was just hanging 655 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: out and hiding nearby. I mean that tells me Jerry Crossing, 656 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: he is not mentally ill. He's hiding, he's ditches weapons 657 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: and he gets caught. Well, a lot of people you 658 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: don't have been so much logically unstable, but you can 659 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: be delusional, you know if you look at his behavior, 660 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: I mean, he was assaulting the house. It was like 661 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: going through a clearing the house like in a military operation. 662 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: You know his point of entry. He just shot in 663 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: and he basically met resistance. Is probably why he left. 664 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: But you know, if he could have cleared the house, 665 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: he would have took the house over possibly and gone 666 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: to that bunker, locked himself in the bunker. I mean, 667 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: you can't tell. From the delusional state of mind, you 668 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: know what they're thinking. You just got to look at 669 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: their behavior. Mister Foster place, now as the funeral approaches, 670 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: how much we are praying for your family, and please 671 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,320 Speaker 1: please pass on our thoughts and prayers to your wife, 672 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: Lisa Foster, Jordan's mother. I surely will. I know she'll 673 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: appreciate that because it's been a tough road and one 674 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: thing and it's just a guest. Nancy lived here all 675 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: my life, knowing the layout of everything. My office building 676 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: is the last building there on the ramp, and that 677 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: the side of me is I call it to moteel 678 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: from Hell because the deal grows the other and it 679 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: would insprise me as all if he was standing that 680 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: little cheap motel which is right next to the ramp 681 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: going over our seventy five there, which is about a 682 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: mile from the Morgan's property. Now it's just a guess. 683 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: No one's told me that, but you know, if there's 684 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: a good possibility that could have happened. You know what's important, 685 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: mister foster Man, that we find out every single scrap 686 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: of evidence, even a sintilla of evidence about this purpose 687 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: and what he has been doing in the day since 688 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: he gunned down Morgan in her sleep to combat an 689 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: insanity defense at trial, and shaking into a hotel, staying 690 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: there undetected or camping out living in the wild shows 691 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: a great deal of mental acumen and they're gonna need 692 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: this every bit of evidence at trial. If you know anything, 693 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: please dial eight five nine six two three two four 694 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: zero four repeat eight five nine six two three two 695 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: four zero four. Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye, 696 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:31,959 Speaker 1: Fred