WEBVTT - You Can Put It Anywhere 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:04.960 Thank you for letting me get that off my chest. Rose, 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.200 I'm I'm supposed to do it. Yeah, this is this 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.160 is an unsafe space, but it is a space nonetheless 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:20.880 welcome to. Like a version of the show where we 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.880 give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.280 and I am Fran Toronto, and we are going to 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.480 give literally yesterday's pop culture today's takes because it is Monday, 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.400 and we are gonna talk about the gay episode of 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:40.519 the Last of Us. So, Fran, I was able to 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:42.839 convince you to watch The Last of Us and you were, 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.360 as you were, fully caught up. So before we even 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.519 get into last night's episode, just like, what generally are 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.800 you feeling about the show now that you've watched it. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:55.600 I am adoring it. Um. I was never like a 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:59.880 horror movie genre buff growing up as a kid. However, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.080 my cousins and I loved the zombie genre and we 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.120 thought zombie stories were so cool growing up. And I 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.679 feel like I have this kind of nostalgic attachment to 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.320 like old school zombie stories. And so when you told 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.720 me about this show and how it's kind of bringing 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:19.160 prestige to like a well trotted genre. I don't think 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.760 I ever could have expected what came from it, and 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.280 I think that this most recent episode I was able 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.920 to kind of see what this show does best, which 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.720 is almost make you forget that it's a zombie show. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.080 Like your zombies are used or the infected as they 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:41.720 call them, the clickers are used very sparingly, and I think, 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:47.280 like the best zombie media, it's more about how people 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:54.160 react to a zombie apocalypse, how people, how humans shape 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:59.800 society in the absence of what once existed, And from 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.800 what I know about the game, because I have consumed 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.280 a little content about the game that the show is 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.040 based on, um, the main antagonists of the game are 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.120 humans and zombies are more of like a you know, 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.600 boogeyman kind of like uh like obstacle more than anything else. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.200 So so I do I do think you're You're right 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.600 to note that that, like, the zombies are like kind 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.640 of few and far between, and it is much more 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:32.360 about the very human drama of it all in extreme circumstances. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.840 And also just like how terrifying and sad survival is 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.400 as a concept when you're like the lat when you 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.839 are the last of us, right, and so like that's 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.760 what made this third episode so revelatory, which, like kind 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.600 of um, departs from the main set of protagonists and 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.040 shows the viewers another story that they're entangled with, which 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:58.200 is these two like men who I guess find each other, uh, 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:03.360 Bill and Frank played by Nick Offerman of Parks and 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.720 Recreation and Murray Bartlett from season one of The White 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.520 Lotus and they Bill, I mean, we've never seen Nick 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.160 in a role like this, I don't think, but like 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.800 Murray is so good that two of them are so 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:22.760 good together. And it's also a story that could never 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.480 have been told before, Like this is a completely original 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.559 story that has a ground, like a kind of foundation 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.920 in something that is extremely real and present and and 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.200 like just of the moment, like I just can't even 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.880 put words to it, like what did you think? Well, um, 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:47.720 So to give a little context about the this this story, 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:52.000 so this is actually in the game, UM, but in 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.080 the Last of Us part one, the first game, Bill 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.480 is a character who the the main care there's meat 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.280 on their journey and apparently you it's just kind of 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.160 like a throwaway moment where if you like hover over 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.440 a certain thing, you see a photo of his partner 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.440 who by the by the time the game happens, is 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.800 already dead. Um. And the creators of the show did 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.680 talk about this in the behind the Episode thing that 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.080 plays on HBO once the episode is done, and they 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:30.200 decided to expand that story um too, you know, like 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.880 tell Bill and Frank's story, because I think one of 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.560 them said something interesting, which is like, in adapting, they 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.520 only wanted to change things if they could make them better, 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:45.320 and this certainly does that. Um. I mean, like, I 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.640 thought it was very beautiful. I also thought it was 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:53.280 like obviously, like seeing gay love on screen is not radical, 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:58.359 but what felt, um not, what felt exciting about it 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.800 to me was that this is a show that's being 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:05.640 watched by you know, like normy straight people who played 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.320 this video game who are obsessed with it, and if 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:09.960 they're going to want to watch the show, they're going 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.720 to have to sit through watching a gay love story. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.159 And I love that. I think that's I think that's 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.400 like transgressive. And I'm sure there's a lot of people 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.479 who were pissed about it, but I mean the fact 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.160 that they went so far and like they had this 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:30.240 sex scene which was like like like hot but also romantic, 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.960 and like beautiful and like touching because it's this older 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.800 man who's never had sex with another man. I like 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.920 thought was so cool, and I love how Murray Bartlett 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:46.359 immediately clopped him immediately. It was so sexy and fun 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:52.640 and like, as queer people watching this, we're kind of like, way, way, way, 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.039 is this happening? Is this happening? And then like for 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.520 just like on the line delivery, like the two of 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.320 them were just giving something that is totally unexpected, like 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.160 from like what the actual script is. And like, honestly, 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.120 Murray Bartlett, the way you are able to say, like 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.640 go take a shower, Bill, and for that to be 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.640 somehow the hottest thing like that, like that could not 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.320 be a better way to say, we're gonna fun. You 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.719 know what I said, break up that he said. He 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.680 was like that meme of the little dog that said, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.680 I know what you are. He said, go go do, 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:30.200 go wash your ass, go wash your pussy, Billy Bartlett, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:35.360 the man that you are. And I, like I I believe, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.800 like I believed in their attraction to each other. I 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.520 also believed that like of course, in this extreme scenario, 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:47.360 Murray Bartlett, like he's been like wandering around the country 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.400 like in the Apocalypse, Like of course, I'm sure he's 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.920 thinking about like Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna suck this 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.440 guy's brain out for his dick so that I get 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.640 to stay in his fortress with this like rabbit that 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.600 he's cooking. And I like that part where he said, like, um, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.600 I'm not a whore, like not for lunch, no, like 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.719 no matter how good it is, so like if we 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.880 do this, I'm gonna stay here for another couple of days. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.280 So there is something transactional about it. But then three 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.040 years later, but then it also is still really real. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.200 And what gilled me was the scene with the strawberries 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.560 when into the strawberry and little giggle. Oh my god, 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.080 I didn't it was so real. That was the best part. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.360 It's like they're actually they're both phenomenal actors. And like 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.920 in the conversation of like gay actors and gay gay 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.680 actors and gay roles whatever, like something we know I 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.800 don't care about. We don't care about I mean we 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.520 care about, but like not in the way that other 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.480 people care about it, right, Like people have very unnuanced 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.080 ideas of like who should play what, and like this 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.720 is a perfect example where you have talented actors making 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.960 great work. And I think that Murray Bartlett, as a 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.680 gay man in this role, bringing a gay sensibility to 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.920 the role created a foundation for them both to work on. Right, Like, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.480 this is how you do it. This is how you 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.080 stick the landing, and you use like you you see 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.960 your vision, and you also are able to bring in 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:14.800 a phenomenal openly gay actor who's really good at what 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.440 he does to like make this even more real. Um 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.120 also as also as my mutual Nolan Anxious Deluxe said 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.720 on Twitter, um nick Offerman is married to Megan Malally, 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.840 so he is in a gay marriage and he's he's 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.920 part of the community. He is he's part of the community, 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.000 and that's so funny. Um. Also, like I never would 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.640 have thought about this if I didn't see um the 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:44.559 activist Peter Staley tweet about it. But like I didn't 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.560 even register the kind of like metaphor of like a 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.160 plague in like the story of two gay men specifically, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.560 Like but like that that the obviously it's not a 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.160 ham fisted metaphor slash probably isn't even the intent of 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.600 the writers, but like the fact that they're the real 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.959 the realism of them choosing death together and how liberated 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:13.080 they both felt in choosing death is so beyond beautiful. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.520 Especially you and I rose like we're morbid bitches, and 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:20.040 like you are a very morbid girl who like might 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.120 die in a cabin one day. You know what I 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.920 can do today? And I feel like that for for 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.520 gay men to have survived a plague and to choose 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.280 death on their own terms is nothing short of a 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.640 miracle in a zombie plague, let alone in our actual 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.000 lived reality. It really does. That was so radical, Yeah, 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:47.120 it really does, Like UM knowingly subvert the barrier gaze 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.880 trope while still like having the game by having the 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.240 gaze killed themselves. The gays buried themselves. Oh my god, 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.680 I will be honest in that the end of their story, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.720 I was not quite as emotional as I had been. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.959 Like for me, the high point of their like vignette 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:12.000 episode was the Strawberries, was was them getting attacked by 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:17.000 the raiders UM, and then the end of it. I like, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.040 I still found it beautiful, but I also thought like 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.920 there was so much, almost too much time spent on it, 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:28.120 and it was a little like indulgent, And but I 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:33.640 did I liked when um Murray Bartlett's character said like, um, 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.400 you know, I'm not going to pretend that it's not 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.280 like objectively romantic that we're dying together, and like that 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.920 is it was really beautiful and also I mean it 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.120 was just it was funny too, like when Maurray Bartlett's like, 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.160 we're going to make friends, and like even in the 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.920 Apocalypse the gays are like, we're having brunch. I don't 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.880 think it. That is literally, oh my god. He's like, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.840 I've been talking to a nice lady on the radio, 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.560 so fucking funny. Um, someone should give some much that, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.480 like give it a show, you know, like, yes, I 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.720 met Bill and Frank had a drag night at some point, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.480 you know, like they found a way to like watch 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.480 old episodes of drag Race. No, no no, no, honey, honey, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.439 new episodes. You know, Rue is still going through the 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.920 zombie Okay, do you do you think? Well, because um, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.480 drag Race like would never would not have happened because 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.840 the zombie Apocalypse started in two thousand three, so there's 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:32.280 no drag Race. There's no like Marvel Cinematic Universe. Beyonce 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.160 I never had a solo career, Oh my god, wait, 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.640 that's so much culture. Wow, that's really depressing to think about. Um. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:45.760 I love imagining like this doomsday prepper, like trying to 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.880 figure out a way to make lube um in the apocalypse. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.480 Um it was. I hope they just use coconut oil, right, Like, 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.720 that's like the best if you're in a pinch for 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.080 like butt sex. That is specifically, I have not I 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.120 have not yet gone to ourchive of our own to 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.439 check how much fan fiction has already been written about them, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.080 but I'm sure it's like, well, okay, let's let's see 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:12.360 right now. Yeah, let's check right now, Okay, Bill, Bill 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.880 and Frank, there's already Okay, there's twenty six works. Um, 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.320 let's we'll we'll check back in next week and see 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:23.560 how many new ones there are. Um, okay, yeah, what else? 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.120 I mean? I watched a lot this weekend, I feel, Okay, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.760 tell me, what are you watching? Okay? I don't know 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:31.280 what I was on, but I feel like I was 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.280 really playing catch up because I watched poker Face, this 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.440 Rihon Johnson show on People, the one with Natasha Leone, Yes, 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:43.160 Natasha Leone, among others, so much fun. I would really 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.840 be curious to know if you like it just because 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.520 you're a Knives outstand but not a glass onion stand. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.880 And so we have like two different versions of Rion's work. 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.560 I'm not a Knives outstand. I enjoyed the movie, but 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.320 really I thought you were a true stand. I know, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.800 I really like not stop tweeting about it when it 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.839 can amount, But maybe I did not. I don't think 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.439 I tweeted about it that much. It was like a 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.280 very popular movie that I enjoyed seeing, and that was 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.079 kind of it. There is a difference between liking something 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.200 and being a stand. Yes, no, you're still right, that's 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.319 and and standing. To say you're a stand is slanderous. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.840 It's it's a misnomer and saying that and I am 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.880 an offended place. Um. Yeah, I'm interested in watching it 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.520 because from what I've heard is that the episodes are 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.960 very episodic and and you can kind of like pick 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.760 and choose the ones you watch. But what like, give 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.960 me your like top view, sell me on it, pitched 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.320 me the show. Yeah, So I mean I am a 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:44.000 Natasha Stan, and I will say a crystal clear Stan. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.440 I adore her even if I stand, even though I 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.520 don't even like Russian doll that much, but like, I 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.480 just love her. Um. The show follows her a casino worker, um, 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:59.800 getting like graveled up in getting rolled up in some controversy. Um. 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.400 I guess with the people that owned the casino after 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.040 they discover that she has this kind of um superhuman 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.240 ability to tell if people are bluffing or not, to 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.959 tell if people are are lying or not. And is 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.200 it a superpower. It's not. It's not a literal superpower. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:21.280 She's just kind of like a human detector. Yes, it's 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.320 her um Sherlock holmes Ian quality, like right, like every 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.320 every SUPERI every Yes, it's kind of like every detective 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.400 has a thing. Remember Cam Jansen, she had a photographic memory. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.680 She said, click, you know, Natasha Leo, like you don't 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:43.840 remember that Cam Jansen mystery novels? Oh yes, Phoebe's entering 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.360 the chat. Than this is kind of lesbian. I feel 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.560 like this is kind of like lesbian canon. Is Cam 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.320 Johnson okay? The Secret World of Alex Mack where she 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.440 turned into a puddle? No, it was kind of like 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:58.000 Encyclopedia Brown for people that couldn't afford a Encyclopedia Brown maybe, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.120 or like Junia b Jones in but like still some 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.080 like mystery component. Um So, anyways, she gets reveled up 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:08.240 in some controversy and it goes on the run for 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.480 reasons I won't spoil. And while she's on the run, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.440 she keeps bumping into like a random miss murder mysteries 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.600 across the country, and um, it's very absurdest Okay, like 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.359 the fact that she keeps like stumbling upon these murders 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.040 is totally silly. But when you give your way get 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.120 when you give yourself to the kind of reality that 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.600 they're in, we're in. She just is constantly stumbling upon 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.520 these murders that she wants to solve. Um. I personally 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.720 love it, and I think that the acting is fun. 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.640 I think the writing is totally slapstick. I think the 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.640 jokes are really good and it's not um, each episode 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.040 isn't really a who done it? It's more of a 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.240 ye done it? Because again very Rihan Johnson, right, they 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.080 tell you who did it at the kind of in 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.040 like fifteen minutes into each episode and from there Natasha 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.840 walks in. It's a very interesting and I think original 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.600 to tackle mysteries. So when you do watch it, because 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.680 I think you will. Yeah, I'm I'm definitely interested in 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.560 checking it out. Um once. I'm currently in the midst 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:16.360 of my annual my Now annual Girls rewatch Alison Williams. Well, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:20.960 after that, i think I'm gonna try watching Succession because 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.480 I've never watched it and I know it's coming back, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.960 and um, I'm gonna I'm gonna give it the old 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.880 college try because I keep getting served TikTok's about it 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.920 and about the gays that everyone ships together or like 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:57.360 not gays whatever, they are all kind of gay. Speaking 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.040 of TV shows that I watch and you don't on 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.840 the flip side, Um, so, I watched this Now series 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.160 finale of gossip Girl last week and I just wanted 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.960 to do you care if I like spoil how it 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.240 ended because you still watching? Right? No? No, no spoilers. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:19.320 I'm just curious, like, did the show and you don't 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.280 want spoilers? No idea? No? No, sorry, sorry, sorry, I 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.600 don't care about spoilers. I'm just mostly curious about was 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.840 the show aware that it was getting canceled or was 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.320 it a total clip? Yeah? So, um Joshua Saffron, who 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:33.560 was the show runner, who was a writer on the 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:38.959 original series, has said that he they originally intended for 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.240 the episode to be like an hour and twenty minutes, 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.680 and the last twenty minutes of it, which I'll take 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.159 place in Rome, really set up a lot of things 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.840 for the following season and introduced a new character, and 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.280 once he kind of saw the writing on the wall, 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.240 he went in and edited all that stuff out so 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.800 that it was more of a closed loop at the end. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:03.399 So there character still is introduced, and you see a 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.840 couple of things that we're probably parts of that story, 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.720 but for the most part, there's on a ton of 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:14.280 actual cliffhangers. There are definitely things that aren't resolved. But 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.439 the big resolution is that Tavvy comes out as gossip 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.920 Girl because Um the kids all decide that they want 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.199 to take down gossip Girl, and they think that the 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.359 way to do that is by trying to like steal 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.520 her thunder So at the met Gala um Zoya, who's 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.959 the young character, she wears a dress that says I 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.000 am gossip Girl, and then they leak a story that 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.840 Ryan Murphy is trying to buy the rights to for 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.080 a gossip Girl TV show about Shanda Rhymes or something, 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.879 and tavvy Um is like, uh, they're not taking my 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.720 TV deal and shows up at Monetta tavern Um where 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.800 I coincidentally had dinner with Hunter Harris who writes on 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:01.240 the show last weekend, and Tavvy shows up and it's 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.440 like there's like, um, Mr Murphy, it's to me, I'm 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.679 Gossip Girl. Um wait is Ryan Murphy in it? No, 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:13.119 because because then everyone, like all of the teens are like, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.080 oh my god, it was you because it was a setup. 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:20.200 And the cops come slap some handcuffs on her clink clink, bitch, 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.679 you're going to prison because she has all of this 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.560 like kind of teeny porn on her phone because she 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:30.200 was like cyberbullying kids and like like sexually harassed, cyber harassing, 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:35.760 cyber sexual passing children. So so what Joshua Safron has 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.679 said in some interviews is that they they kind of 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.520 always knew that the teachers would not be Gossip Girl 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:47.320 anymore post season two. Um, so they still would have 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.480 been part of the show going forward, but in in 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.800 like kind of diminished capacity. And there's a post credit 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.600 scene at the end of the finale in which one 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:01.159 of the teens, dad who like runs a media company, 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.240 approaches one of the teachers about turning Gossip Girl into 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.440 an app So that is probably what would have happened 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:12.080 in the third season. Um, and you know it was. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.040 I'm sad it's it's gone. I really liked the reboot, 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:20.679 even though it was definitely flawed. Um And I think 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.919 what they were setting up was really interesting. I liked 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.040 some of the actors. UM. I thought that the guy 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:33.400 who played the slutty pan sexual Max was like really good. 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:37.280 He had a very emotional moment in the finale. I 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:42.640 really appreciated that. In the back half of this second season, 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:47.680 they started giving um Luna, who is played by Zion 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:52.720 whose name I can't remember, the transactress. They actually gave 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.280 her a storyline. She was great. She had like a 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.840 whole like thing with her mother being like, um faking 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.119 being Latin X. It was very like Hilaria Baldwin vibes. 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:10.719 So you know, rip Gossip Girl. Um, you will be 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:15.800 missed by like twenty people probably, and um, it's definitely 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.359 you know, they're still like hold like kind of holding 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.240 out hope that the show might be saved, but even 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:24.040 Joshua Saffern has said it's the show is too expensive 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:29.040 to exist. Anywhere else. Oh, it's expensive. It's like it's 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:33.960 the fashion, Like it's expensive in terms of production, the 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:39.080 way it looks, the clothes, everything. And he's just said 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:43.120 if they had to cut the budget, it just wouldn't 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.680 be the same show. And he doesn't want to make 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.520 a cheaper version of it. Damn. I honestly, I felt 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.119 like the reboot was totally earned, like I was ready 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.199 for it. It just like it wasn't. I don't think 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.000 it was for me. But r I P. I'm so 0:21:56.000 --> 0:22:00.400 sorry for your loss. Another one, another one. I'm gonna 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.240 be fine. I'll be okay. Now I have to pivot 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.440 to shows that like won't get canceled. Oh, so you're 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:10.919 gonna you're finally gonna watch a Fleishman in Trouble or whatever? No, 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:15.000 are you watching Fleishman in Trouble? I watched the first 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.639 two and a half episodes of Fleishman in Trouble because 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.720 so many people told me to watch By so many people? 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:22.520 Do you mean Justin told you to watch it? Because 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.640 Join and I have talked about it, and I did 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.720 not understand why he was watching it. I told him 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.640 it looks like the most heterosexual thing possible, and that 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:33.920 I feel like it's the kind of show that gay 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.200 people like when they turn on their TV screens all 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:41.000 that they see a static Yeah, like yeah, gay people 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.159 like actually physically cannot see it. That's kind of how 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.600 I felt. I'm I guess it's a mini series that's 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.959 maybe based on a book question Mark. It kind of 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:53.560 feels like it's in the normal people genre of TV, 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:57.639 or like maybe um Elena Ferranti novel genre like Elena 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:02.119 Ferrante like adaptations, where it's like beautiful, slow stories about 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:06.880 human heterosexual relationships, and like you know, and I, um, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.040 I just I felt I feel duped because like in 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.919 the key r of the show, like Claire Danes and 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:16.159 Lizzie Kaplan are the only characters shown and present, And 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:19.080 and then you click on the first episode and you're like, 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:22.760 this is a story about how Jesse Eisenberg fucked his 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.520 way across New York. And you're like, what, Yeah, that's 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.280 literally Eisenberg doesn't fuck. Yes, that's what I'm saying. And 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.760 I had to watch Jesse Eisenberg suck so many women 0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.240 in like like a few minutes, and I was like, 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.840 where is Lizzie? Where is Claire? Yes, I I just 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.800 I didn't understand. And the writing, Okay, I will, I 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.719 will admit the writing is like really great, Like, but 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.479 I it's just about subject matter that does not concern me, right, 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.480 Like I don't watch things about men on principle most 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.119 of the time, you know. And I felt like I 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.879 came out of this being like why did I who 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:01.879 told me that this was gonna be a good show? 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:05.919 It was Justin? Because Justin has tested me several times 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.639 after that initial conversation to tell me that he was 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:13.919 still watching In Trouble. Oh my god, I don't. I 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:17.879 don't get it. I I really don't, and I am 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.479